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Accolade wrote: I just don't know if I can support this direction 40k is going in.
Might want to wait to find out what direction it is going in before deciding not to support it because of what direction it is going in.
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azreal13 wrote: Fair point, but with 3 years and thousands of posts under my belt, I think I probably rate slightly above "Internet guy" in terms of my honesty?
Counterpoint: Larry Vela's been around for years and has thousands of posts under his belt.
Larry Vela also actively rumourmongers on his own behalf (and continues to do so relentlessly, despite an increasingly poor record) whereas I'm merely passing info and even actively highlighting reasons which might undermine the credibility of the info I'm presenting!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Accolade wrote: I am seriously considering not buying this release. That is really surprising to me, I bought the 6th LE and everything, I've been a big fan of 40k since 3rd edition.
If GW does this right (and assuming it's not a new full edition) you won't need to buy it, just slip an errata into your rulebook. Big "ifs" I know, but it's still a possibility.
I'll be covering the new book once it drops regardless so people can get an idea of what's in it before they drop their money.
azreal13 wrote: Fair point, but with 3 years and thousands of posts under my belt, I think I probably rate slightly above "Internet guy" in terms of my honesty?
Counterpoint: Larry Vela's been around for years and has thousands of posts under his belt.
Larry Vela also actively rumourmongers on his own behalf (and continues to do so relentlessly, despite an increasingly poor record) whereas I'm merely passing info and even actively highlighting reasons which might undermine the credibility of the info I'm presenting!
True, although there is functionally no difference between 'actively rumormongering on his own behalf' and saying 'a little birdy/kirby/GW employee' told me for the people on the other side of the screen. If there was, Vela could just put 'GW CEO said so' at the end of all his posts.
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I want to put some weight behind a possible date for the new starter set, September.
Why? Because GW wants and needs to balance the levels of sales ever year per month.
For example last two September was DV box set and then SM codex, both sold lots, so if there is a new box, it will be in September to help balance the books.
And balanced books keep the stock holders happy.
via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212
Take this with lots of salt, but I’ve had a lot of chatter over the last 3 or so months that Epic scale 40k was getting a re-release later this year, and the armies most often cited in the box were Eldar and IG. There is also the blurb of a “mini” game in the most recent white dwarf. I’m not saying this is anything definitive, but it seems like it could fit with the snippets of info I’ve heard.
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Accolade wrote: I just don't know if I can support this direction 40k is going in.
Might want to wait to find out what direction it is going in before deciding not to support it because of what direction it is going in.
Right, I keep writing "possible" on these posts but then I miss some; obviously the rumors could be wrong and this release will be something worth the $75-$100 price tag (I'm sure it won't be less than $75 ).
GW could definitely surprise me!
And for what it's worth, I hope it's the good kind of surprise.
Accolade wrote: I am seriously considering not buying this release. That is really surprising to me, I bought the 6th LE and everything, I've been a big fan of 40k since 3rd edition.
If GW does this right (and assuming it's not a new full edition) you won't need to buy it, just slip an errata into your rulebook. Big "ifs" I know, but it's still a possibility.
I'll be covering the new book once it drops regardless so people can get an idea of what's in it before they drop their money.
Yeah, I do have some hope for that. I just hope that if the ruleset does include Stronghold Assault and Escalation, that people keep playing without superheavies and such, because I have little interest there.
I'm looking forward to the review Clockwork!
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Accolade wrote: I am seriously considering not buying this release. That is really surprising to me, I bought the 6th LE and everything, I've been a big fan of 40k since 3rd edition.
If GW does this right (and assuming it's not a new full edition) you won't need to buy it, just slip an errata into your rulebook. Big "ifs" I know, but it's still a possibility.
I'll be covering the new book once it drops regardless so people can get an idea of what's in it before they drop their money.
I really wish GW would speak up immediately. I want to buy the iBooks version of the rules, but since I don't know if they'll be updated or invalidated, I'm waiting. See, GW's trash communications strategy (which is the only thing I actually hate about them) is costing them sales!
azreal13 wrote: Fair point, but with 3 years and thousands of posts under my belt, I think I probably rate slightly above "Internet guy" in terms of my honesty?
Counterpoint: Larry Vela's been around for years and has thousands of posts under his belt.
Larry Vela also actively rumourmongers on his own behalf (and continues to do so relentlessly, despite an increasingly poor record) whereas I'm merely passing info and even actively highlighting reasons which might undermine the credibility of the info I'm presenting!
True, although there is functionally no difference between 'actively rumormongering on his own behalf' and saying 'a little birdy/kirby/GW employee' told me for the people on the other side of the screen. If there was, Vela could just put 'GW CEO said so' at the end of all his posts.
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He could, but I haven't, in fact, I've done the exact opposite. I'm also tired and in a bad mood and a bit touchy about the tacit implication that I'm lying/making stuff up, when I've never posted in a fashion that would make that in the least likely.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
tomjoad wrote: I really wish GW would speak up immediately. I want to buy the iBooks version of the rules, but since I don't know if they'll be updated or invalidated, I'm waiting. See, GW's trash communications strategy (which is the only thing I actually hate about them) is costing them sales!
They lost selling me Apoc Templates because of their limited release strategy so don't feel too bad.
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Accolade wrote: I'm looking forward to the review Clockwork!
I'll be giving it my best! The 'fun' part will be playing "what changed" with two rulebooks open!
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To try and redirect the thread, or at least my involvement in it, back in track, the ramifications of that poster, and it's teaser qualities, this far out from release could be quite significant in terms of traditional GW approach?
I mean, we're over 3 weeks away, they didn't do this with 6th IIRC.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
azreal13 wrote: To try and redirect the thread, or at least my involvement in it, back in track, the ramifications of that poster, and it's teaser qualities, this far out from release could be quite significant in terms of traditional GW approach?
I mean, we're over 3 weeks away, they didn't do this with 6th IIRC.
They did do it with the paint though. GW likes to do stuff like this "occasionally".
I wonder how mad we'll all be if the 24th turns out to be Epic instead.
azreal13 wrote: To try and redirect the thread, or at least my involvement in it, back in track, the ramifications of that poster, and it's teaser qualities, this far out from release could be quite significant in terms of traditional GW approach?
I mean, we're over 3 weeks away, they didn't do this with 6th IIRC.
They did do it with the paint though. GW likes to do stuff like this "occasionally".
I wonder how mad we'll all be if the 24th turns out to be Epic instead.
Speak for yourself!
That is now my new "Best Case" scenario for this release!
EDIT:....unless you meant EPIC 40K....then I'm terrified
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So, who is going to buy the Limited Edition of the rule book?
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
azreal13 wrote: To try and redirect the thread, or at least my involvement in it, back in track, the ramifications of that poster, and it's teaser qualities, this far out from release could be quite significant in terms of traditional GW approach?
I mean, we're over 3 weeks away, they didn't do this with 6th IIRC.
They did do it with the paint though. GW likes to do stuff like this "occasionally".
I wonder how mad we'll all be if the 24th turns out to be Epic instead.
Speak for yourself!
That is now my new "Best Case" scenario for this release!
EDIT:....unless you meant EPIC 40K....then I'm terrified
Epic 40k, which was rumored to be coming in 10mm.
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Davor wrote: So, who is going to buy the Limited Edition of the rule book?
I might if it's really pretty. Or comes with a Chainsword.
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I was fooled because I expected 6th to last as long as the minimum lifespan of all other 40k editions: 4 years.
Most scenarios regarding 6.5/7 will result in me being unable to play without the new book. So in the somewhat unlikely scenario that I purchase the next edition (if it ends up being what the rumors suggest), I certainly won't buy another LE copy because that copy will again most likely be obsolete in two years.
Of course, if rumors are true then 6.5 is $30 more than 6th was, so its cost is even closer to the LE 6th I got...
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I got the last one, and it's a lovely keepsake. I'm very mildly annoyed that the rules are going to be out of date so quickly but I almost never used it for gaming anyway, just to fawn over occasionally, so if I'm being realistic it's no real loss. If they really don't do a softback one in the starter box (I still don't put any faith in the starter box rumours) then that'll be more worrisome, because £25 per year for my basic 40k rulebook feels a bit gougey
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ClockworkZion wrote: I wonder how mad we'll all be if the 24th turns out to be Epic instead.
Possibly because it was incredibly expensive and there is the distinct possibility you've got less than 2 years of use out of it?
I wouldn't even have considered "time usable as a current rulebook" to be a metric in deciding the value of a limited edition to the buyer. But sure, if that was a factor for someone I can understand the disappointment.
Well tickle me intrigued if nothing else. It would be good if this was a 6.5 fix kind of release rather than 7th ed. For one I'm really loving 6th, second two years does seem too short for an edition and three it means GW might actually be willing to listen and respond to user feedback. Sucks that they're gonna make us pay for it but hey, it's a start right? Right?!
Accolade wrote: I just don't know if I can support this direction 40k is going in.
Might want to wait to find out what direction it is going in before deciding not to support it because of what direction it is going in.
Right, I keep writing "possible" on these posts but then I miss some; obviously the rumors could be wrong and this release will be something worth the $75-$100 price tag (I'm sure it won't be less than $75 ).
GW could definitely surprise me!
And for what it's worth, I hope it's the good kind of surprise.
Possibly because it was incredibly expensive and there is the distinct possibility you've got less than 2 years of use out of it?
And the rules were full of holes
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Just wanted to throw in something my Memphis GW source clued me in on.
Apparently (as we all know) there is a "new" rulebook coming out, and it is a corrected/updated version of 6th (not being referred to as either 6.5 or 7th, but unofficially as "Revised 6th" at hq in Memphis), with escalation and strong added in the book, amongst other books/supps, d weapons, and some other stuff. 673 pages, $99.99. New cover. There will be new templates and starter box, plus other items. For GW, they want this to be the same big fanfare of a new (40k reawakening) release, new rules, for newcomers, but keep current players (happy?).
For those who have 6th, and the other books, there's going to be a faq pdf so you can use current books still, apparently. This will be good for another 3 to 4 years.
So I'm being told... (same guy who told me of website change, scions, and astra name/codex...).
Feth me, aren't they aware that most gamers aren't fit enough to carry their own snacks?!
For clarity, that's 50% thicker than the current BRB.
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Feth me, aren't they aware that most gamers aren't fit enough to carry their own snacks?!
For clarity, that's 50% thicker than the current BRB.
You see the size of the average wargamer? Now GW gets a lot of deserved but there outstanding commitment to customer fitness had never failed to impress me.
[Anyway I've never really seen anyone carry a full sized GW rulebook instead of the mini version]
7th Edition Rumors - Apr 2014 Just wanted to throw in something my Memphis GW source clued me in on.
Apparently (as we all know) there is a "new" rulebook coming out, and it is a corrected/updated version of 6th (not being referred to as either 6.5 or 7th, but unofficially as "Revised 6th" at hq in Memphis), with escalation and strong added in the book, amongst other books/supps, d weapons, and some other stuff. 673 pages, $99.99. New cover. There will be new templates and starter box, plus other items. For GW, they want this to be the same big fanfare of a new (40k reawakening) release, new rules, for newcomers, but keep current players (happy?).
For those who have 6th, and the other books, there's going to be a faq pdf so you can use current books still, apparently. This will be good for another 3 to 4 years.
So I'm being told... (same guy who told me of website change, scions, and astra name/codex...).
The new codexes are similar to how, say a Blood Angels Codex, or Space Wolves one is. Meaning, several entries refer you to have the Space Marine Codex to use that unit.
Like the SM codex, there is a dedicated transport section. In AT, the Taurox info is there, but the Chimera & Valkyrie are also there, but reference you to use the AM codex.
The AM codex is the same, where in Elites there is a small blurb you can choose Scions, but reference the AT codex, and also the AM codex had a dedicated transport section and Taurox is mentioned as an option but "use the AT codex for this choice." FALSE
He also was the one that told me that the Valkyrie (1-3) has the Vendetta options now (and can still transport), and the Vendetta is no longer an actual seperate fast choice (by name at least)...Freeing up a fast slot... FALSE
Again, not sure if he saw, or was told, this info.
He told me the GW website change was coming, the FW/BL stuff would be in GW April 7th, FALSE he told me that finecast is phasing out the stock & replacing with FW formula,FALSE that the twitter & facebook (GW) was going, all months ago...And much more...
Forgeworld Rumors - Feb 2014 Not sure if this was covered, but as many might know the GW Memphis location closed it's production side (everything is made in uk) a while back, and the huge open area is set up for forgeworld and black library stuff. GW stores received new computer and register programs this week which are being installed in March. Fw and bl will merge with GW website, and everything will be ordered through GW main site. At least we will save time and shipping costs by having it go to a local store! FALSE
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