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Lets say that one of a number of possible flees belonging to the different factions of 40k got caught in a warpstorm which deposited them above earth circa 2016. What would each of the factions need to take the planet? Assume that no one realizes that the planet is indeed Holy Terra, 'cause; you know, it still has oceans. How many Guards men would it take? How many SM of the various chapters? Would the Tau simply walk through us? Are the Necrons having a field day? Which faction would have it the easiest? The Hardest?

KayTwo wrote:
Lets say that one of a number of possible flees belonging to the different factions of 40k got caught in a warpstorm which deposited them above earth circa 2016. What would each of the factions need to take the planet? Assume that no one realizes that the planet is indeed Holy Terra, 'cause; you know, it still has oceans. How many Guards men would it take? How many SM of the various chapters? Would the Tau simply walk through us? Are the Necrons having a field day? Which faction would have it the easiest? The Hardest?

pretty much any group could take out the current military on this planet, we would have very little defense against the Necrons, Orks when we thought we won they will be growing again, Tyranids, we wouldn't even know what hit us, and Space Marines, Tau and Eldar would out gun us, out tech us and so forth.

At this point a single squad of 10 Chaos Marines can probably conquer earth in about a month. They wouldn't realistically do it all by themselves, but they would find so many converts and cultists that by next friday night, we'll have daemons coming out of the toilets.

1 Genestealer...nuff said

Put a Farseer in a situation where he doesn't have to deal with other psykers or other diviners and ask him to mess with the fate of a single planet with no space travel, I'd believe he could take over by himself. That said if a Farseer did find himself back in M.3 he'd be more likely to run off to find the Eldar empire, try and work out a way to avert the Fall, and then bring an M.3 Eldar battlefleet back to glass the place.

The more dogmatic Imperials would need overwhelming force, I'd think. A Space Marine Chapter that showed up shouting about the Emperor is going to get up and shot, they could handle the situation if they had the fleet but the ground forces alone wouldn't be able to accomplish much.

Alright, but how many space wolves? how many blue berries? How many Guards men and with what equipment?

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
At this point a single squad of 10 Chaos Marines can probably conquer earth in about a month. They wouldn't realistically do it all by themselves, but they would find so many converts and cultists that by next friday night, we'll have daemons coming out of the toilets.

Alpha Legion or Word Bearers, probably. World Eaters, I suspect they'd cause a lot of damage before dying but conquest is out of the question (that said they wouldn't be too broken up about it, these days).


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KayTwo wrote:
Alright, but how many space wolves? how many blue berries? How many Guards men and with what equipment?

One Farseer with a Webway portal, or one Necron with a map (to bring reinforcements from their faction in the period). A battleship or a couple of cruisers from most factions could probably manage it.

A few Orks reproducing in the jungles of east Asia. They would overwhelm the world imo.

KayTwo wrote:
Lets say that one of a number of possible flees belonging to the different factions of 40k got caught in a warpstorm which deposited them above earth circa 2016. What would each of the factions need to take the planet? Assume that no one realizes that the planet is indeed Holy Terra, 'cause; you know, it still has oceans. How many Guards men would it take? How many SM of the various chapters? Would the Tau simply walk through us? Are the Necrons having a field day? Which faction would have it the easiest? The Hardest?

This sort of a question falls flat very quickly because fundamentally 40k is a Fantasy setting that happens to take place in space, but breaks once reality is applied to it.

For all the extreme technology 40k has, in all honesty in terms of military hardware the real world has stuff that would make the Tau and Eldar look downright primitive. Beyond Visual Range aircraft engagement, real time data coordination across hundreds of units soread over thousands of miles, tanks that can move at highway speeds and kill another tank over 2000 meters away thas also moving at highway speeds with a 95% hit rate on munitions that can penetrate a full meter of hardened steel, artillery that can land within a meter of a designated spot after being fired from 25 miles away, missile systems that can easily track and intercept targets like Drop Pods, etc. Stuff that 40k factions have absolutely no answer or equivalents to because they're all built around Fantasy concepts and, at best, WW2 combat methodologies.


Basically, until you start bringing in spacefleets to just blow up everything, the real world is a whole lot more capable than 40k factions are.

The Emperor would come out of hiding and obliterate any Xenos or heretics who dare threaten early mankind. Astartes and other Imperial forces take a knee to his majesty.

Earth wins.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
At this point a single squad of 10 Chaos Marines can probably conquer earth in about a month.

Realistically, they'd be dead in a month.


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It would take an actual army, not a mere squad, to conquer Earth. It would be trivially easy for an actual army to do so. But a squad is no army.

 Melissia wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
At this point a single squad of 10 Chaos Marines can probably conquer earth in about a month.

Realistically, they'd be dead in a month.


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It would take an actual army, not a mere squad, to conquer Earth. It would be trivially easy for an actual army to do so. But a squad is no army.

We have Davey Crockets. You need more than a single army. Because they're nuked.

I think with a small stroke of luck a few chaos marines could take over. They'ed need to land somewhere remote and take over an area that has a low population to gain a foot hold. Their goal being to conscript locals to their side to do the heavy lifting. Astellan took a whole world with very little help. Once they've started several wars and disrupted normal rule of law they're in.

 Vaktathi wrote:

KayTwo wrote:
Lets say that one of a number of possible flees belonging to the different factions of 40k got caught in a warpstorm which deposited them above earth circa 2016. What would each of the factions need to take the planet? Assume that no one realizes that the planet is indeed Holy Terra, 'cause; you know, it still has oceans. How many Guards men would it take? How many SM of the various chapters? Would the Tau simply walk through us? Are the Necrons having a field day? Which faction would have it the easiest? The Hardest?

This sort of a question falls flat very quickly because fundamentally 40k is a Fantasy setting that happens to take place in space, but breaks once reality is applied to it.

For all the extreme technology 40k has, in all honesty in terms of military hardware the real world has stuff that would make the Tau and Eldar look downright primitive. Beyond Visual Range aircraft engagement, real time data coordination across hundreds of units soread over thousands of miles, tanks that can move at highway speeds and kill another tank over 2000 meters away thas also moving at highway speeds with a 95% hit rate on munitions that can penetrate a full meter of hardened steel, artillery that can land within a meter of a designated spot after being fired from 25 miles away, missile systems that can easily track and intercept targets like Drop Pods, etc. Stuff that 40k factions have absolutely no answer or equivalents to because they're all built around Fantasy concepts and, at best, WW2 combat methodologies.


Basically, until you start bringing in spacefleets to just blow up everything, the real world is a whole lot more capable than 40k factions are.

This. Because everyone in 40K is basically a moron.

A full fleet of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Talk about overkill.....

One ship from any of the fleets could do it. "He who holds the high ground wins."

with Spacefleets, they could destroy earth with no losses, with boots on the ground even an entire chapter house would be outgunned and then some, since a chapter consists of about 1K members, a very small paltry sum and their vehicles while nice are well, rudimentary at best, its their spacefleet which give them the advantage.

 Melissia wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
At this point a single squad of 10 Chaos Marines can probably conquer earth in about a month.

Realistically, they'd be dead in a month.


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It would take an actual army, not a mere squad, to conquer Earth. It would be trivially easy for an actual army to do so. But a squad is no army.

Read the rest of his post.

2 wraithknighys. it really wouldn't take much.

A sorcerer would be enough. Consider how much the world's religions have spread, without a shred of proof. And now a prophet of a new religion appears, except this prophet claims to wield powers granted by his gods, and he can back that claim up in a rather spectacular manner!

It would become a global sensation and cults would amass incredibly quickly.

 Ashiraya wrote:
A sorcerer would be enough. Consider how much the world's religions have spread, without a shred of proof. And now a prophet of a new religion appears, except this prophet claims to wield powers granted by his gods, and he can back that claim up in a rather spectacular manner!

It would become a global sensation and cults would amass incredibly quickly.

but thats if they had access to the warp, since the warp is not present they would not have access to it.

Asterios wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
A sorcerer would be enough. Consider how much the world's religions have spread, without a shred of proof. And now a prophet of a new religion appears, except this prophet claims to wield powers granted by his gods, and he can back that claim up in a rather spectacular manner!

It would become a global sensation and cults would amass incredibly quickly.

but thats if they had access to the warp, since the warp is not present they would not have access to it.

And giant super soldiers with two hearts and spits acid with handheld rocket launchers doesn't exist either.

In these kind of scenarios you sorta have to take everything as it comes along.

Also for everyone who gave me a snark remark on the "one squad" thing. Daemons. Daemons in your workplace, Daemons in your bed. Daemons in your lunchbox, Daemons just ate Fred. This day in age we have enough crazy people going around in cults that are fake. Like Ashiraya said, if one of them turns out to actually be able to summon daemons and prove it's religion is real, it would have converters flocking to it day and night, regardless of whether or not they're good (also please don't draw actual parallels to specific religions or cults. This is not a politics debate). With enough followers, there would either be a warp gate opening on top of us within the month, or small pockets of IMMORTAL daemons would be popping out everywhere. Yes it's technically not 10 marines that conquered the planet, but 10 marines is all that's needed to start. The planets in 40k fluff that survive Chaos Incursions usually brutally suppresses any Chaos Worship. Can you imagine the US executing someone for having a different religion? The controversy alone would distract us for a good year (not to mention vastly spread the word).

In a similar vein, a single Genestealer finding a horny couple is probably enough to doom us as well. The Imperium might be very trigger happy in executing mutants, but again our modern world would not look kindly upon people that just goes and kills infants that look different.

Considering we are on the cusp of railgun weaponry, aircraft based laser weapons, missiles that fire at ranges beyond anything the 40k universe and its terrible math can conceive of, and we're just developing drone fighter planes and rumored space based weapons I think any sort of ground war would go south real fast for any invaders.

Space Battles they will win though and that is where they crush us. Our space technology is paltry in comparison even the most crude ork void craft.

 Gamgee wrote:
Considering we are on the cusp of railgun weaponry, aircraft based laser weapons, missiles that fire at ranges beyond anything the 40k universe and its terrible math can conceive of, and we're just developing drone fighter planes and rumored space based weapons I think any sort of ground war would go south real fast for any invaders.

Space Battles they will win though and that is where they crush us. Our space technology is paltry in comparison even the most crude ork void craft.

It's just like Stargate SG-1. The G'ould were miseralbe at actual warfare. They just had orbital bombardment on their side.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Read the rest of his post.

Just because I didn't quote the entire post (because I hate quote pyramids) doesn't mean I didn't read the crap arguments put forth.

 Melissia wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Read the rest of his post.

Just because I didn't quote the entire post (because I hate quote pyramids) doesn't mean I didn't read the crap arguments put forth.

If you did actually read the rest of my post, you'd see where the "army" portion came in.

Again, Daemons.

Putting aside spacecraft which we probably don't have a solution to, one strong psyker would break this planet. Imagine if someone showed up and could move things with their mind, teleport, ripe thoughts from other people or just blow things up by looking at them. Millions would join that individual in days.

Daemons don't really respond any better to artillery and airstrikes than humans do. And there's just only so many that a mere ten individuals can summon in without getting warp-fethed themselves.

 Melissia wrote:
Daemons don't really respond any better to artillery and airstrikes than humans do. And there's just only so many that a mere ten individuals can summon in without getting warp-fethed themselves.

Technically, they fare about 33% better.

I don't imagine they just stand around in an open field waiting to get airstruck, in any case. If chaos is going to set up anywhere it's going to be in the underground of major population centers.

Melissia wrote:Daemons don't really respond any better to artillery and airstrikes than humans do. And there's just only so many that a mere ten individuals can summon in without getting warp-fethed themselves.

I never said the 10 marines would be the only ones to summon them. Below is the portion of my quote (that you cut out) highlighting this fact:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:At this point a single squad of 10 Chaos Marines can probably conquer earth in about a month. They wouldn't realistically do it all by themselves, but they would find so many converts and cultists that by next friday night, we'll have daemons coming out of the toilets.

I exaggerated the "By friday night" thing, but realistically it would not be very long before a chaos religion takes hold. Not to mention those Cultists could very well be from sections of our own army.

10 marines charging in guns ablazing and yelling "FOR KAYOSS" at the top of their lungs? Yeah they're going to meet the business end of an Abrams or Leopard very fast. Which is why Rake had a point that it depends on the legions (and why World Eaters probably won't do so hot). Word Bearers and Alpha Legion have the highest success rate because they actually know how to use cultists for this very specific purpose, and arguably Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children and even Deathguard could have some minor success (the former two with temptation, the latter with...well spreading disease).