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Necros wrote:Maybe I missed it.. but has there been any talk of finecasting the metal nids? I've been wanting to get the current hive tyrant, but I figured now I may as well wait for the updated one. Or should I just get the metal one, so I can feel old school and cooler than all the other kids in 10 years?

I am pretty sure the hive tyrant is coming out. It might be in a second wave of sorts. I know there was talk somewhere (on GW's site perhaps?) about how the Hive tyrant's sword could be bent 90 degrees and not break.

5 Finecast wracks same price as 5 metal tankbustas. prices haven't gone badly. Yet.

The classified might be the new wracks which are done in fine cast. I do not see them on the display poster.
They are in this months WD, looks like a good elite unit.

My theory for finecast being on sprues where the old metal wasn't is that with metal they could recycle the spruebut they cant recycle the resin ones and cant be bothered to clean them up.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Necros wrote:Maybe I missed it.. but has there been any talk of finecasting the metal nids? I've been wanting to get the current hive tyrant, but I figured now I may as well wait for the updated one. Or should I just get the metal one, so I can feel old school and cooler than all the other kids in 10 years?

I am pretty sure the hive tyrant is coming out. It might be in a second wave of sorts. I know there was talk somewhere (on GW's site perhaps?) about how the Hive tyrant's sword could be bent 90 degrees and not break.

The latest WD has the Hive tyrant and Zoanthrope in the Finecast releases for this month.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Here's the thing as I see it.

I love 40k, love WHFB, LOVE BFG, love Necromunda, love Epic, love Mordheim, love Black Library books (lets have a few more non-SM centric novels folks), loved WHFRP, loved Dark Future, love most of the Citadel Miniatures, love Forgeworld. (love lamp... )

But I despise the company that owns them now, what it has become, what it thinks of it's self and most importantly what it thinks of us. Because I remember when it was not as it is now and have watched it become this paradox, constantly touting The Hobby louder and louder and at the same time becoming less and less about the hobby and far more about trying to be Wayland Yutani when in fact it's just the biggest fish in one of the smallest ponds in the world.

This frustration leads me and perhaps HBMC and others to finally be convinced that GW should fall now. That it should somehow end up shut down and a more enlightened company buy up it's IP and treat it with more care (and learn a lesson about pricing its self to death...). The likelihood of that is remote, but the current situation is frustrating and disappointing to those of us who do love the fluff but hate the corporation.

Something to be remembered whilst the arguments between the Haters and Apologists wage on this forum and others, is that many of us Haters still verymuch love the games and background and minis, we're just angry with the way the company is behaving.

Mate, I agree with 90% of what you say obviously! I dont work for GW, Im just an average Joe who plays a bit of 40k, and clearly id like cheaper minis, but hey ho, thats what companies do, try to make as much cash as possible. I dont see the need for the endless hate and the nerd rage is all i'm saying.

I just think HB is a bit weird. I see the ridiculously aggressive gak he posts and I just.. well.. think the blokes got some kinda mental problem.

Other than that of course I agree with you, they charge alot and they take the piss somewhat, Im just saying I dont see the point in the weird turbo rage that people display.. Dont most big corporations do the exact same thing?!

Try at explaining this number two. I think some people are being a bit too literal, waaaaay too literal. There are 2 "classified" blocks on the poster, there are many more than 2 unreleased models. It's just a marketing teaser to build anticipation for things to come.

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Lord Scythican wrote:

Necros wrote:Maybe I missed it.. but has there been any talk of finecasting the metal nids? I've been wanting to get the current hive tyrant, but I figured now I may as well wait for the updated one. Or should I just get the metal one, so I can feel old school and cooler than all the other kids in 10 years?

I am pretty sure the hive tyrant is coming out. It might be in a second wave of sorts. I know there was talk somewhere (on GW's site perhaps?) about how the Hive tyrant's sword could be bent 90 degrees and not break.

The latest WD has the Hive tyrant and Zoanthrope in the Finecast releases for this month.

I got both of those in my shipment yesterday, on sale on Saturday.

Asuron wrote:
Umm why didn't they keep the metal models in store and have the resin ones as well, wouldn't that have been easier?
So what they've essentially done is made it really difficult to get the more unpopular models?
Do obliterators fall under this? What else will be direct only?

There is a list in another thread, There's some LotRs stuff on there so I wouldnt be too worried.

Something to be remembered whilst the arguments between the Haters and Apologists wage on this forum and others, is that many of us Haters still verymuch love the games and background and minis, we're just angry with the way the company is behaving.

And vice versa.) I tend not to join into the hatefests, and find them just a waste of energy. And I'll defend GW where they should be defended. But never assume apologists aren't angry too.

I was pissed as hell at the lack of info I got as a store, and then trying to order in thousands of dollars of finecast at a moments notice. Budget went out the window for the month.

It's all degrees of angry apologists and loving haters.

mattyrm wrote:
Mate, I agree with 90% of what you say obviously! I dont work for GW, Im just an average Joe who plays a bit of 40k, and clearly id like cheaper minis, but hey ho, thats what companies do, try to make as much cash as possible. I dont see the need for the endless hate and the nerd rage is all i'm saying.

I just think HB is a bit weird. I see the ridiculously aggressive gak he posts and I just.. well.. think the blokes got some kinda mental problem.

Other than that of course I agree with you, they charge alot and they take the piss somewhat, Im just saying I dont see the point in the weird turbo rage that people display.. Dont most big corporations do the exact same thing?!

HBMC isn't weird, he uses flagrant terminology to express things that I mostly agree with, that's all. It's just the other side to the same coin where the apologists all shriek 'If you don't like it, stop playing' etc. You also use flagrant terminology in the OT forum to describe folks who's ideals you don't hold with... As a softie liberal tree hugging leftist, I remember this...

They (GW) do take the piss, a great deal imo with the 'tin cost price rise' followed by the 'plastics to metals price rise' followed by the 'metals to (cheaper) resin production price rise'... It's an ongoing slew of insulting and aggressive sales hikes that's really quite difficult for me to understand. Couple that with the shocking price of GW minis outside of Europe/USA and it's not difficult to see where the real anger is coming from.

Most big corporations could not survive the kind of negative press their customers being constantly pissed off with them would generate, because most real corporations have serious competition to worry about and so go out of their way to get on with their customer base, not fist them in the arse with a price rise every time a leaf falls from a tree.

When was the last time you saw a GW Sale? A GW voucher in a magazine or online? A promotional deal?

What I suspect would be amazingly healthy for GW is 2 or 3 serious contenders for it's market space. So I am cheering on mantic, PP and the rest to succeed.

mikhaila wrote:I got both of those in my shipment yesterday, on sale on Saturday.

How do they Finecast models actually compare to the metals? The WD article went on about how much of the Green's detail was kept in the resin compared to the metals; it showed the resin next to a green... but failed to show a metal version to back up their claims.

MeanGreenStompa wrote: You also use flagrant terminology in the OT forum to describe folks who's ideals you don't hold with... As a softie liberal tree hugging leftist, I remember this...

Of course mate, but that makes perfect sense! Think about it!

When your arguing about peoples most deep seated beliefs, the things that make them the person that they are, the things that make you YOU (your Religious, political views, sexuality, job, worklife and familiy for example) you CAN get super wound up, and you can get emotional about it! That makes sense!

But the same level of indignation and rage because the company whose products you love takes the piss? You know, like nearly all the huge corporations do?

That's weird right!?

mikhaila wrote:Something to be remembered whilst the arguments between the Haters and Apologists wage on this forum and others, is that many of us Haters still verymuch love the games and background and minis, we're just angry with the way the company is behaving.

And vice versa.) I tend not to join into the hatefests, and find them just a waste of energy. And I'll defend GW where they should be defended. But never assume apologists aren't angry too.

I was pissed as hell at the lack of info I got as a store, and then trying to order in thousands of dollars of finecast at a moments notice. Budget went out the window for the month.

It's all degrees of angry apologists and loving haters.

This is my view summed up. I still LIKE 40k and FB, but the company behind it is what annoys me. I'll continue to play, but all my purchases will be second-hand or third-party.

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mikhaila wrote:I got both of those in my shipment yesterday, on sale on Saturday.

How do they Finecast models actually compare to the metals? The WD article went on about how much of the Green's detail was kept in the resin compared to the metals; it showed the resin next to a green... but failed to show a metal version to back up their claims.

Not showing the metals probably because the difference in detail isn't gonna be noticeable enough to matter, they just say it is so we'll all buy the new stuff. They're even using the same old box photos for new finecast models...

We'll have to wait for comparison shots on Beasts of War, and hope they don't get taken down the net day.

mattyrm wrote: When your arguing about peoples most deep seated beliefs, the things that make them the person that they are, the things that make you YOU (your Religious, political views, sexuality, job, worklife and familiy for example) you CAN get super wound up, and you can get emotional about it! That makes sense!

But the same level of indignation and rage because the company whose products you love takes the piss? You know, like nearly all the huge corporations do?

That's weird right!?

Not in my experience. People tend to get the most upset about the more mundane things in their life. Work life issues are no more important to most folks than their personal interests, to use that example. It's best to try and keep your anger in check and focussed in the right direction though, you're right, but I wouldn't consider it weird for people to become vociferous about bad things that happen in a world that is directly related to their enjoyments in life.

Necros wrote:Not showing the metals probably because the difference in detail isn't gonna be noticeable enough to matter, they just say it is so we'll all buy the new stuff. They're even using the same old box photos for new finecast models...

Pretty much my thought on the subject too, but I wanted to check from someone who's actually seen them

I just can't believe they released a metal crowe then turned around and redid him in resin not 2 months later......

I saw the SKU list....113 new resins. 25% price increase on average across the board.

Alot of older OOP stuff that was desperately needing to be reprinted....but more so just alot of popular models they are hoping will sell fast.

No assassins :\

mch21689 wrote:I just can't believe they released a metal crowe then turned around and redid him in resin not 2 months later......

Using the metal molds.

Kanluwen wrote:

mch21689 wrote:I just can't believe they released a metal crowe then turned around and redid him in resin not 2 months later......

Using the metal molds.

Yeah I know the sculpts are 90% the same. Just disappointed since my metal one took a bit of work since the backpack was very uneven :\ though guess the resin might suffer from the same issue if it was a mold problem and not just a bad cast.

Necros wrote:

endtransmission wrote:

mikhaila wrote:I got both of those in my shipment yesterday, on sale on Saturday.

How do they Finecast models actually compare to the metals? The WD article went on about how much of the Green's detail was kept in the resin compared to the metals; it showed the resin next to a green... but failed to show a metal version to back up their claims.

Not showing the metals probably because the difference in detail isn't gonna be noticeable enough to matter, they just say it is so we'll all buy the new stuff. They're even using the same old box photos for new finecast models...

We'll have to wait for comparison shots on Beasts of War, and hope they don't get taken down the net day.

Aren't the 'Eavy Metal paint jobs usually done with the resin masters anyway? When GW went to the greenstuff master to resin to production mold process, theyve had resin "masters" laying about I suspect the current studio paint jobs for the box pix, et al are already of resin castings vice metal. That'd make sense from a timeliness as well as quality standpoint.

Still doesn't answer, for what it's worth, if Finecast is really worth any quality premium though...

Valete,

JohnS

obsidianaura wrote:My theory for finecast being on sprues where the old metal wasn't is that with metal they could recycle the spruebut they cant recycle the resin ones and cant be bothered to clean them up.

I know there is a resin injection molding system commercially available which might require similar spruing to plastic models, it would also mitigate air bubbles and issues with inconcistencies with mixing resin since most of those systems can mix by volume as needed.

I have just seen this photo in a forum.



Is this fake or something? is this the quality of a resin miniature? are they changing from metal to... this?

I´m really curious about it.

Nope, that's apparently the real thing.

Having a metal Draigo, I can actually say it was worse cleaning the metal flash off than the way that is laid out.

That kind of resin 'flash' will come off in many cases with simply sneezing at it.

I only have one question about this... Will there be a mounted WoC lord as Finecast?

and as the price of resin has increased draigo will only be supplyed with one arm :]

CURNOW wrote:and as the price of resin has increased draigo will only be supplyed with one arm :]

To be fair, Draigo only needs one arm to kick ass.

Kanluwen wrote:

mch21689 wrote:I just can't believe they released a metal crowe then turned around and redid him in resin not 2 months later......

Using the metal molds.

They're not.

cygnnus wrote:Aren't the 'Eavy Metal paint jobs usually done with the resin masters anyway? When GW went to the greenstuff master to resin to production mold process, theyve had resin "masters" laying about I suspect the current studio paint jobs for the box pix, et al are already of resin castings vice metal. That'd make sense from a timeliness as well as quality standpoint.

Somebody in one of these threads (not going back to check them all) mentioned getting an email back from GW that said pretty much that, yes. Of course, whether they're the same resin is another matter entirely, but it does give them the leeway to say 'no, these display models were always resin, see how good they look!'

insaniak wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

mch21689 wrote:I just can't believe they released a metal crowe then turned around and redid him in resin not 2 months later......

Using the metal molds.

They're not.

Didn't someone 'in the know' say that the whole reason they picked this particular process was because it was doable with the metal molds?

cygnnus wrote:Aren't the 'Eavy Metal paint jobs usually done with the resin masters anyway? When GW went to the greenstuff master to resin to production mold process, they've had resin "masters" laying about I suspect the current studio paint jobs for the box pix, et al are already of resin castings vice metal. That'd make sense from a timeliness as well as quality standpoint.

Somebody in one of these threads (not going back to check them all) mentioned getting an email back from GW that said pretty much that, yes. Of course, whether they're the same resin is another matter entirely, but it does give them the leeway to say 'no, these display models were always resin, see how good they look!'

Makes the most sense to do it that way though.

Kanluwen wrote:Didn't someone 'in the know' say that the whole reason they picked this particular process was because it was doable with the metal molds?

People 'in the know' say a lot of things.

The sprue frame looks like what you'd see for plastic. I guess it's possible these are made for GW's metals and we don't see them because they're chopped off, but I'm guessing the 'Finecast' molds are made from the same master (and should thus have the same parts layout). Presumably the mol and cast tech have similar profiles as far as allowed undercuts and such so that there isn't a need to resculpt most minis.