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Everyone bitching is crazy. As a long time GK player I am super stoked for a new book. My only concern is if psybolt goes but I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

Unbound is awesome.
Dataslates are awesome
Formations are awesome
The codex release schedule is awesome

No new kits is a little odd but I wouldn't be surprised to see just one or two. Either way, what we've got is fine. There's not a single GK model that needs redoing.

I think about how I almost wanted to quit 40k a year ago because it was too restrictive. And now, the game is always putting out cool ways to play.

I want a giant dread knight? Cool, I'll buy an imperial knight, convert it and play it. Legally. Now I can run an eversor in my dark eldar if I want? Sure. Awesome.

The game is about imagination and having fun. The Dataslates are cheap enough and as we all know, if something is released online then it'll turn up for free soon enough anyways. I actually end up buying a lot of them after I've previewed by other means just because I think they're rad.

Last year we couldn't run full inquisition detachments and easily add them to whatever. Now you can. That's also awesome.

My only complaint is that Lords of war are too powerful in regular play for tournaments. Every time I bring my c'tan out he just auto wins. Problem solved by TOs is just to not allow them.

The game is in a great spot and is being really well supported.
No other game can come close to the universe and fluff.


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It's nice that the Grey Knights codex is about Grey Knights but like other posters have pointed out they could have done with new units. A new bike unit similar to what they did with the Ravenwing.

Seems like an awfully rushed job otherwise.

 Medium of Death wrote:
It's nice that the Grey Knights codex is about Grey Knights...

If you're a GK player that is. If you're an Inquisitorial player then you've seen your chosen army get more and more marginalised with each revision.

I don't have a problem with them splitting up Codices like this ASSUMING they are actually adding content to fill the space. If GK have grown too big and need their own codex, that's cool... however (and I could be wrong, I'm not a GK player) it doesn't feel like the GK are actually growing from the split.

Yeah, that's the problem... the book has become:

7 HQ
4 elites
2 troops
2 FA
6 Heavy support (and that's because there's 3 LR variants in there)

for selection options.

I think that's the least of all "full codexes" out there by a long shot. Even if that was a new codex coming out of nowhere, you'd still think that was kinda sad... :s

I knew it was coming, but this news doesn't make me happy, as i feel for the the people who loved an inquisitorial army who can no longer support it in the manner of the other armies. It was shoe-string before granted, but now the gates fully closed so far as I know. yeah, its great for the various imperial allies that now they can grab the assassins and the inquisition, but I wouldn't be happy about this as a GK player, because it sounds like in book unit options has gone down with little/nothing to replace it. And i KNOW I would be angry so if my army was inquisitorial, because now they are truly "second-string" and limited to working with people, like the Inquisition with its size can't do something on it's own(hey, don't they prosecute Astartes sometimes? can't recall where I heard that, but...).

Really though, this makes me wary after the rapid fire thusfar.

 Elmir wrote:
Yeah, that's the problem... the book has become:

7 HQ
4 elites
2 troops
2 FA
6 Heavy support (and that's because there's 3 LR variants in there)

Actually, if that configurator in the SW dex is to be believed (and it's looking very likely now that there are no new models announced), it looks like it is becoming:

1 Lord of War (Draigo)
6 HQ (Captain, Stern, Champion, Crowe, Librarian, Techmarine)
3 Elites (Paladins, Purifiers, Dreadnought)
2 Troops (Terminators, Strike Knights)
2 Fast Attack (Interceptors, Stormraven)
2 Heavy Support (Purgators, Dreadknight)
5 Dedicated Transports (Rhino, Razorback and the 3 LR variants)

 Elmir wrote:
Yeah, that's the problem... the book has become:

7 HQ
4 elites
2 troops
2 FA
6 Heavy support (and that's because there's 3 LR variants in there)

for selection options.

I think that's the least of all "full codexes" out there by a long shot. Even if that was a new codex coming out of nowhere, you'd still think that was kinda sad... :s

AS is:
- 4 HQ
- 3 Elites
- 1 Troop
- 2 FA
- 3 Heavy support

Well if we take the Ork/Space Wolf Codex in account we can pad the Fast Attack with the Rhino and Razorback.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

AS is:
- 4 HQ
- 3 Elites
- 1 Troop
- 2 FA
- 3 Heavy support

Good point... They reduced GKs to be ALMOST as sad as sisters of battle.... A glorified WD "codex".

At least for Sisters of battle, there is some glimmer of hope that things can change in the somewhat near future. For GKs, it'll be this steaming pile of turd for the next 5 years...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
It's nice that the Grey Knights codex is about Grey Knights...

If you're a GK player that is. If you're an Inquisitorial player then you've seen your chosen army get more and more marginalised with each revision.

Hopefully the plan is to expand the inquisition and give it a real book. As it is my Inquisitorial stuff will probably be going on a shelf until that does happen.

thraxdown wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
It's nice that the Grey Knights codex is about Grey Knights...

If you're a GK player that is. If you're an Inquisitorial player then you've seen your chosen army get more and more marginalised with each revision.

Hopefully the plan is to expand the inquisition and give it a real book.

Why? The Inquisition isn't a real army.

They're advisors, with a few henchmen with wibbly wobbly abilities.

 Kanluwen wrote:

thraxdown wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
It's nice that the Grey Knights codex is about Grey Knights...

If you're a GK player that is. If you're an Inquisitorial player then you've seen your chosen army get more and more marginalised with each revision.

Hopefully the plan is to expand the inquisition and give it a real book.

Why? The Inquisition isn't a real army.

They're advisors, with a few henchmen with wibbly wobbly abilities.

Why? Well for starters to give the people that have invested heavily in inquisition units the opportunity to run them as a playable army.

What "Inquisition units" are people that heavily invested in that cannot be run from Militarum Tempestus, Inquisition, or the Guard book?

That exactly the point Kanluwen... It went from playable army with 1 book, to needing 4 different sources to play with the models you still have.

It's something to be rightfully upset about, Ironically enough, The amount of money I'd have to spend to update to all the new rules (which are really just copy paste for 90%) to play with my old army, is enough to buy me a basic tablet and a fancy hat to go yaaaaarrrr!

 Elmir wrote:
That exactly the point Kanluwen... It went from playable army with 1 book, to needing 4 different sources to play with the models you still have.

You misread my statement.

My statement was asking what Inquisition units are there, which people could have in such large numbers that they could not reasonably be run from any of those books.

It's something to be rightfully upset about, Ironically enough, The amount of money I'd have to spend to update to all the new rules (which are really just copy paste for 90%) to play with my old army, is enough to buy me a basic tablet and a fancy hat to go yaaaaarrrr!

Well to be fair, MT is unnecessary. So it's two books and a Dataslate at best.

Of course there are no units that don't have no rules for them somewhere...

BTW, if ever did go full blown on the 6 henchmen units for coteaz, that's at least half that you now cannot take in the same army...

And yeah, those 2 codexes and a dataslate is enough these days to buy a basic tablet... Maybe not enough for the fancy pirat's hat on top that I mentioned...

 Redemption wrote:
1 Lord of War (Draigo)
6 HQ (Captain, Stern, Champion, Crowe, Librarian, Techmarine)

Actually, it's Captain/Master (the latter an upgrade of the former... We may say 6.5 hqs..

3 Elites (Paladins, Purifiers, Dreadnought)
2 Troops (Terminators, Strike Knights)
2 Fast Attack (Interceptors, Stormraven)
2 Heavy Support (Purgators, Dreadknight)
5 Dedicated Transports (Rhino, Razorback and the 3 LR variants)

Bear with some wishlisting of mine... Not impossible to do (and roughly adhering to the background)
Troops: aspirant paladins (armourless, I'd say bolt pistol + nemesis sword, I imagine scouts with more "ornaments"), one possible named upgrade
Fast: stormtalon, jetbikes - possibly with a nemesis lance option (let me digress: it disturbs me that DAs, a knightly order, does not have lances as an option for bikers... End of digression)
Heavy: some artillery ('psyfire' cannon?)
Another exclusive stormbird, maybe...

Ok, I'll stop rambling and wait... Another couple of weeks before painting/finishing my GKs :p

WHAT? NO NEW MODELS? That's just sad.

raoiley wrote:
Unbound is awesome.
Dataslates are awesome
Formations are awesome
The codex release schedule is awesome

Everything is awesome?

Got this from Mexican Ork fbook group.



Translation

"warlord may re-roll his warlord trait. Furthermore you can make reserve rolls for the shock troops in the first round. Troops appear at 3+ and are able to run and shoot (or shoot and run). All units must be Grey Knights faction."


Take it as is.

 undertow wrote:

raoiley wrote:
Unbound is awesome.
Dataslates are awesome
Formations are awesome
The codex release schedule is awesome

Everything is awesome?

Except the financials.... Hey-yo!

Can't see these decisions winning people over. But wait, guys, stop being so negative. Its exciting and fun to have so many options. That is unless your local play group has a two source limit that invalidates your armies....

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Got this from Mexican Ork fbook group.



Take it as is.

Okay, so that is the new detachment that is exclusive to Grey Knights...

1 HQ and 1 Troop required is nice...

Special Rules:
Commander of the Brotherhood: When this detachment is the main detachment, you may make a second roll on the Warlord Trait table in Codex: Grey Knights.
Rites of Teleportation: This one was difficult.My friend thinks it is something like this--"Instead of making your reserve roll from the beginning of your second turn, you can, from the beginning of your first turn, make reserve rolls for all units of this contingent which are in part of the reserves. These units will arrive in your first turn with a roll of 3+."
"Additionally, every unit in this detachment can, in the turn in which they come of the shock troop reserve, both run and shoot (in any order)."

What kills me is that there target demographic is about 14 years old. I find the prospect of buying 3 sources financially difficult, how do they expect to increase sales when a kid who recently started playing GK now needs ~100 dollars just in rules for his army let alone the 85 for 7th.

I remember I planned my army list and asked for the things I needed for it as birthday and Christmas (both were close in my case) gifts when I was that age. I needed to scrape and save mowing lawns or shoveling snow for anything else like play materials.

Makes total sense why I haven't seen any new young gamers in the last 2 years at my local shop.

Run and shoot after teleporting in with this formation? Nifty, although I would prefer some sort of improved accuracy with the deep strike itself. I tend to be very unlucky with my scatters.

 Red Corsair wrote:
What kills me is that there target demographic is about 14 years old. I find the prospect of buying 3 sources financially difficult, how do they expect to increase sales when a kid who recently started playing GK now needs ~100 dollars just in rules for his army let alone the 85 for 7th.

I remember I planned my army list and asked for the things I needed for it as birthday and Christmas (both were close in my case) gifts when I was that age. I needed to scrape and save mowing lawns or shoveling snow for anything else like play materials.

Makes total sense why I haven't seen any new young gamers in the last 2 years at my local shop.

+1.

The low cost of rulebooks has always been a significant factor in jumping between factions/games for me.

 Anpu42 wrote:
I think I may have figured out why there really not any point changes and would explain the lack of them as an option.
Everyone gets Psybolt Ammo

No way. That is the biggest wishlist statement in the thread.

I can't understand how GK players can seriously make the statement that their infantry is over priced currently.

A tac marine is 14 ppm so using him as a baseline for strikes you still need to add:

-A force weapon
-Brohood of psychers with a power
-a storm bolter
-Deepstrike

Heck a power weapon (not force) is 15ppm and a storm bolter 5ppm from the marine armory.

They are 20ppm now which is way UNDERCOST.

Strikes aren't very good because they inflate whats wrong with all marines. Jack of all trades, master of none. These guys are the slightly higher end version. Its the ignores armor instant death CCW that jacks up their cost. Most GK players I know hardly ever get charge into assaults with strikes so it's easy to forget.

That's assuming that Psybolt Ammo stays the same as it is now.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
I think I may have figured out why there really not any point changes and would explain the lack of them as an option.
Everyone gets Psybolt Ammo

No way. That is the biggest wishlist statement in the thread.

I can't understand how GK players can seriously make the statement that their infantry is over priced currently.

A tac marine is 14 ppm so using him as a baseline for strikes you still need to add:

-A force weapon
-Brohood of psychers with a power
-a storm bolter
-Deepstrike

Heck a power weapon (not force) is 15ppm and a storm bolter 5ppm from the marine armory.

They are 20ppm now which is way UNDERCOST.

Strikes aren't very good because they inflate whats wrong with all marines. Jack of all trades, master of none. These guys are the slightly higher end version. Its the ignores armor instant death CCW that jacks up their cost. Most GK players I know hardly ever get charge into assaults with strikes so it's easy to forget.

It was not Wish-Listing. It was based on the fact that just about every MEQ has had a price Drop. Look at Grey Hunters, they got a price drop and then lost there CCW, but then they had to pay to get there CCW back.
I can see the logic of "Lets Drop all of then by 2 points and have them pay 2 points for Psybolt Ammo. Lets Just give it to them, price back to normal."

That actually does not fit because Psybolt Ammo was not in the listed upgrades.