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As a Dark Angels player who runs a "Whatever Wing" force with lots of termies, backed up by grunts, with a Ravenwing cav unit bringing up the mobile fire power I concur with Ronin completely, I feel like the rumors are lending themselves to more varied and individualistic forces compared to dropping 30 terminators on a table. I'm hoping we end up with a unique heavy armor variant of some kind, whether it be Land Raider or Predator.

I really hope I can still field my force though. I literally field 30 terminators. Now some of you will be crying "OMG YOU DOING THIZ CUZ ITS 6TH" ... so then I slap then with my old metal termie model. I have been playing that ever since 1) the dark angel codex came out; 2) I got 30 terminators for 100 dollars .

Honestly I play 30 terminators because it is cool as hell to see - I personally love how terminators look and all the more better that I can field them all. I mean my force does have some support (2 dreadnoughts usually backed up by three landspeeders), but its nothing significant. I would be pretty mad if they took away my ability to field my army.

fidel wrote:
I really hope I can still field my force though. I literally field 30 terminators. Now some of you will be crying "OMG YOU DOING THIZ CUZ ITS 6TH" ... so then I slap then with my old metal termie model. I have been playing that ever since 1) the dark angel codex came out; 2) I got 30 terminators for 100 dollars .

Honestly I play 30 terminators because it is cool as hell to see - I personally love how terminators look and all the more better that I can field them all. I mean my force does have some support (2 dreadnoughts usually backed up by three landspeeders), but its nothing significant. I would be pretty mad if they took away my ability to field my army.

I doubt they will, the 30 termie force is the hallmark of the "wings" personally I run 20 termies with two tac squads to consolidate objectives while the terms continue to advance.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

fidel wrote:
I really hope I can still field my force though. I literally field 30 terminators. Now some of you will be crying "OMG YOU DOING THIZ CUZ ITS 6TH" ... so then I slap then with my old metal termie model. I have been playing that ever since 1) the dark angel codex came out; 2) I got 30 terminators for 100 dollars .

Honestly I play 30 terminators because it is cool as hell to see - I personally love how terminators look and all the more better that I can field them all. I mean my force does have some support (2 dreadnoughts usually backed up by three landspeeders), but its nothing significant. I would be pretty mad if they took away my ability to field my army.

I doubt they will, the 30 termie force is the hallmark of the "wings" personally I run 20 termies with two tac squads to consolidate objectives while the terms continue to advance.

Well.. you know... you get 30 termies all built already (it was 10 thunder hammers, 10 lighting claws, and 10 Storm bolter shields - all with the max allowed cyclone missile launchers (so he put all 6 of them on thunder hammer termies)) for $100... you have to use it at every game

My actual list ( I will do 1750 since from there on all you do is add termie squads and you get 2000 and 2250 lol) consists of Usually belial, librarian (termie), dreadnaught, mortis contemptor, 4 squads of 5 terminators, and three landspeeders. As long as it doesn't deviate from that too much with a new codex I am fine

I wonder if deathwing terminators will be like csm terminators and wolf guard with regards to gear. Maybe they'll come cheap (like 33 points) with stormbolter and powerweapon and you pay extra for a powerfist etc. Would be cool to get some cheap terminators like that but they'd better include a lot of power weapons in the deathwing terminator set if they choose that route

via Master Sheol on Warseer
About DA models... A guy in the italian forum i go told that a friend of him saw some new DA models...
I think this must be taken with a huge amount of salt but this is the rumor...

DW box in DV style...
Veteran unit in PA + robes with guns an shields and a lot of blings...
Belial model in a very cool TDA...

The other guy who gave the rumors of multiple DW units said

Élite DW CC unit can purchase one of the following upgrades: BS5, some kind of reroll in H2H, some kind of bonus for DS...

Heavy support termies can swap PF for a second SB (assault4), sternguard ammo and peculiar heavy weapons (AC with "plasma" ammo or something like that) and take one of the following upgrades: BS5, some kind of reroll against veichles, full BS of charged...

Please take all this rumors with a HUGE amount of salt... They are not mine... I am just reporting and translating them from italian sources...

Ok, I like dual Storm Bolter options; seems rahter cool.

But Plasma Ammo?
Can someone please explain to me how the hell do you conceal plasma in a shell than fire it trough your Assault Cannon?

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

via Master Sheol on Warseer
About DA models... A guy in the italian forum i go told that a friend of him saw some new DA models...
I think this must be taken with a huge amount of salt but this is the rumor...

DW box in DV style...
Veteran unit in PA + robes with guns an shields and a lot of blings...
Belial model in a very cool TDA...

The other guy who gave the rumors of multiple DW units said

Élite DW CC unit can purchase one of the following upgrades: BS5, some kind of reroll in H2H, some kind of bonus for DS...

Heavy support termies can swap PF for a second SB (assault4), sternguard ammo and peculiar heavy weapons (AC with "plasma" ammo or something like that) and take one of the following upgrades: BS5, some kind of reroll against veichles, full BS of charged...

Please take all this rumors with a HUGE amount of salt... They are not mine... I am just reporting and translating them from italian sources...

Ok, I like dual Storm Bolter options; seems rahter cool.

But Plasma Ammo?
Can someone please explain to me how the hell do you conceal plasma in a shell than fire it trough your Assault Cannon?

Magic

Imperial Space Magic, patented by the Emperor obviously

75hastings69 wrote:As for DA they'll be in the WD that gets released in December and will be on sale in Jan, as some have quite rightly already said.
(...)You can certainly expect a new speeder type

Faeit 212 Inbox wrote:I just read yesterdays rumor post about Deathwing, this is nothing like what I have been told by the Games Workshop source I know. This is what I was told.

*HQ models will be recast into finecast. Same models
*New Belial model robes, powersword, stormbolter, or plasma bolter combi
*New Chaplain
*Deathwing Box Set: Comes with 3 options; Normal DW Terminator Squad, Command/HQ Squad with Banner and Apothecary, and an Elite Squad with Plasma Cannon options
*Ravenwing Box Set: Bikes remodeled and look like the Ravenwing bikes from Dark Vengeance, but same build as normal bikes, also with added weapons for the new Ravenwing Elite unit.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
But Plasma Ammo?
Can someone please explain to me how the hell do you conceal plasma in a shell than fire it trough your Assault Cannon?

Wardian physics.

I don't see how that's any different than "Vengeance Rounds", to be honest.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't see how that's any different than "Vengeance Rounds", to be honest.

Which was created by....

12thRonin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't see how that's any different than "Vengeance Rounds", to be honest.

Which was created by....

Do you have a point or are you just wanting to have more Ward hate?

Look into the Deathwatch RPG. See how much of Ward's stuff has made it over there.

The plasma gun he's referring to is likely just the plasma cannon terminators we've been hearing about for months. Perhaps it's not a plasma cannon but rather just an assault 3 plasma gun type deal.

 Kanluwen wrote:

12thRonin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't see how that's any different than "Vengeance Rounds", to be honest.

Which was created by....

Do you have a point or are you just wanting to have more Ward hate?

Look into the Deathwatch RPG. See how much of Ward's stuff has made it over there.

Considering that he wrote both of them, it shouldn't be surprising. Stupid Ward fluff has happened before and it will happen again. Deathwatch also has nothing to do with this discussion but I applaud your attempt at the Jedi Mind Trick.

12thRonin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

12thRonin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't see how that's any different than "Vengeance Rounds", to be honest.

Which was created by....

Do you have a point or are you just wanting to have more Ward hate?

Look into the Deathwatch RPG. See how much of Ward's stuff has made it over there.

Considering that he wrote both of them, it shouldn't be surprising. Stupid Ward fluff has happened before and it will happen again. Deathwatch also has nothing to do with this discussion but I applaud your attempt at the Jedi Mind Trick.

The perception that one author alone is responsible for each book is silly. The studio, as a whole, is responsible for each book and the material in it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
But Plasma Ammo?
Can someone please explain to me how the hell do you conceal plasma in a shell than fire it trough your Assault Cannon?

Wardian physics.

Kroot Rifles already fire Pulse-(i.e. Tau Plasma)-enhanced projectiles in the fluff.

Contrary the Ward Haters looking for another straw, the credit would thus have to go to Andy Chambers, Graham McNeill and Pete Haines (irrespective of whether something like this goes into the DA Codex or not).

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't see how that's any different than "Vengeance Rounds", to be honest.

I'm assuming there's something lost in translation here and they're basically Terminators with Sternguard ammo. A squad of assault 2 AP2 weapons sounds kinda nuts.

12thRonin wrote:
Considering that he wrote both of them, it shouldn't be surprising. Stupid Ward fluff has happened before and it will happen again. Deathwatch also has nothing to do with this discussion but I applaud your attempt at the Jedi Mind Trick.

Mat Ward had nothing to do with the DW RPG.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

12thRonin wrote:
Considering that he wrote both of them, it shouldn't be surprising. Stupid Ward fluff has happened before and it will happen again. Deathwatch also has nothing to do with this discussion but I applaud your attempt at the Jedi Mind Trick.

Mat Ward had nothing to do with the DW RPG.

I didn't say he did. That was Kan's notion.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Contrary the Ward Haters looking for another straw, the credit would thus have to go to Andy Chambers, Graham McNeill and Pete Haines (irrespective of whether something like this goes into the DA Codex or not).

You're not a Ward hater Zwei? And here I was thinking that there was at least one thing where you'd be critical of GW.

12thRonin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

12thRonin wrote:
Considering that he wrote both of them, it shouldn't be surprising. Stupid Ward fluff has happened before and it will happen again. Deathwatch also has nothing to do with this discussion but I applaud your attempt at the Jedi Mind Trick.

Mat Ward had nothing to do with the DW RPG.

I didn't say he did. That was Kan's notion.

No it actually was not. That was you making an assumption.

I said:

Look into the Deathwatch RPG. See how much of Ward's stuff has made it over there.

The Deathwatch RPG is intrinsically tied into the Studio at this point.
Look at how fast the Stormraven made an appearance in the Deathwatch RPG.

Why wouldnt the stormraven make it into deathwatch? Its an official GW product from their fluff. As far as i know, Deathwatch uses the official GW fluff. And why make an entirely new device when a perfectly good one exists?

I'd assume plasma rounds would be just like a conventional explosive or armor piercing incendiary round in out universe. Hollow round with some form of containment, impact triggers the secondary effect.

 Kanluwen wrote:

12thRonin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

12thRonin wrote:
Considering that he wrote both of them, it shouldn't be surprising. Stupid Ward fluff has happened before and it will happen again. Deathwatch also has nothing to do with this discussion but I applaud your attempt at the Jedi Mind Trick.

Mat Ward had nothing to do with the DW RPG.

I didn't say he did. That was Kan's notion.

No it actually was not. That was you making an assumption.

I said:

Look into the Deathwatch RPG. See how much of Ward's stuff has made it over there.

The Deathwatch RPG is intrinsically tied into the Studio at this point.
Look at how fast the Stormraven made an appearance in the Deathwatch RPG.

Deathwatch was brought up by you so I'm not sure how that's an assumption on my part. Put your favorite crimson fish back in it's scabbard and climb down from the back of your white knight steed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


You're not a Ward hater Zwei? And here I was thinking that there was at least one thing where you'd be critical of GW.

Oh. I am. Games Workshop produced some of the worst gaming products in history in recent years.

The Space Wolves Codex and Dark Eldar Codex with their appalling loony-toon black-hole in a box hack-job of fluff stand out first among them. Not even considering the travesty that their internal balance is. DreadFleet is something they should be eternally ashamed of, not only because it sold bad, but because it is the absolute low point in convoluted, counter-intuitive and simply bad game design. I still have nightmares about the ineptitude that brought us cheese falcons in 4th Edition. And all of that pales in contrast to the universal singularity of inept game design that was the Chaos Codex 3.5.

But by and large, GW has been on an upswing late. Rule balance has improved immensely (if ya don't look at Space Wolves), some of the new model ranges such as Grey Knights are simply stunning, as well as cleverly lowering the entry barrier to the game with innovative game designs like the "Draigo-Wing", which needs very few models. The fluff is respecting it's tongue-in-cheek roots a lot more. It's a good time to be playing 40K by and large.

Aaand ... another thread hijacked by Zweischneid and H.B.M.C.

Maybe they could be removed from the forum, for the public good?

Public good? Oh give me a break...

Nvs wrote:
The plasma gun he's referring to is likely just the plasma cannon terminators we've been hearing about for months. Perhaps it's not a plasma cannon but rather just an assault 3 plasma gun type deal.

There used to be a Plasma Blaster back in 2nd edition...was more or less a twinlinked plasma gun (note that TLing was different back then).

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

via Master Sheol on Warseer
About DA models... A guy in the italian forum i go told that a friend of him saw some new DA models...
I think this must be taken with a huge amount of salt but this is the rumor...

DW box in DV style...
Veteran unit in PA + robes with guns an shields and a lot of blings...
Belial model in a very cool TDA...

The other guy who gave the rumors of multiple DW units said

Élite DW CC unit can purchase one of the following upgrades: BS5, some kind of reroll in H2H, some kind of bonus for DS...

Heavy support termies can swap PF for a second SB (assault4), sternguard ammo and peculiar heavy weapons (AC with "plasma" ammo or something like that) and take one of the following upgrades: BS5, some kind of reroll against veichles, full BS of charged...

Please take all this rumors with a HUGE amount of salt... They are not mine... I am just reporting and translating them from italian sources...

Ok, I like dual Storm Bolter options; seems rahter cool.

But Plasma Ammo?
Can someone please explain to me how the hell do you conceal plasma in a shell than fire it trough your Assault Cannon?

I'm not liking the sounds of these supposed Elite/Heavy termie options... BS5 dudes with assault 4 AND special ammo?!

5 of them better cost about 500+ pts or else there's going to be little point in playing against these guys if you can't hide in tanks the whole game.