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Hellfury wrote:I dont know. At this point it seems rather formulaic.

Zombicide did the same thing, yet seemed more relevant for that game.

But the guy from Dead Space is relevant. It makes sense, and of all the characters people brainstormed a few pages back, he wasn't one of them, because all of us were thinking of movie cliches.


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Uriels_Flame wrote:I can't go the nickel and dime on the extra toons though.

Then... don't?

Sorry, but I don't see the big deal here. These are options, options that you are not required to buy. What's the big deal?

New fig is nice, but I'm just gonna stick with the regular $100 level. But if they make a not-geth mini I might have to get that one

If you guys are down for the hundred and don't plan on moving your bar that is fine. Though at this point I doubt that the $100 level pledge is going to be getting anything additional. It's already a insane deal with 82 mini's to go with the game so it's not like you're not getting your monies worth.

As it is it's a decent way to raise money during the slow period of the kickstarter and it's still trending ridiculously high for where it's at with 12 days left. Personally I'm down for the equivelant of 2 additional models highly sculpted for $10 in plastic. If anything they'll be fun showcase type models since they're pulpy fun

Uriels_Flame wrote:I also am not a fan of the +$10 to get 1 more model.

Actually, effectively $10 for 2 more models, but I tend to agree. Getting the first b/c I'm a big Aliens fan, may get the 2nd b/c I've got friends who are Dead Space fans and will probably plat, but not sure...

Hulksmash wrote:If you guys are down for the hundred and don't plan on moving your bar that is fine. Though at this point I doubt that the $100 level pledge is going to be getting anything additional. It's already a insane deal with 82 mini's to go with the game so it's not like you're not getting your monies worth.

As it is it's a decent way to raise money during the slow period of the kickstarter and it's still trending ridiculously high for where it's at with 12 days left. Personally I'm down for the equivelant of 2 additional models highly sculpted for $10 in plastic. If anything they'll be fun showcase type models since they're pulpy fun

The $100 pledge level is where the majority of the backers are from and will come from though in the next few days. There are many people probably waiting until the last minute unfortunately, to see all the extras they will get. Having stretch goals up ahead of time would help that, I see zombiecide did a crapload of characters to but the quality of the sculpts don't compete with studio McVey.

I am personally waiting on the terrain, as I can get that when it release later, and I am on a serious budget at the moment.

Right now the thing I am hugely on the hedge about is a set of the Opticamo Vanguard, because they will make a really cool squad/character option for any skirmish-style games that is impossible to replicate otherwise, while having the the radioactive green of the GitD Strain represent some kind of upgrade (while cool as a material) can really just be replicated color-wise with paint, especially since the Biohazard level contains so freaking many of them.

It might just be the case that they can't afford to add any more free stuff to the biohazard level.

The Mantic one has reached this point, although they're still giving out a unit of 5 models to $175+ backers with every stretch goal.

Maybe a new $150 or $175 pledge level would be best, something that gets you biohazard + all the extra stuff like the terrain, camo packs and any hero models that get produced as a result of hitting stretch goals?

I think a lot of people on the fence about buying anything above the $100 level would go for it if there were savings to be had rather than having to pay full RRP for the stuff, might as well just wait until next year and buy it from a discount webstore if there isn't going to be a discount or incentive within the kickstarter itself.

If they can't give away all these new heroes at the $100 level, then they should set the bar a little higher and start giving stuff away at that point instead... I don't think Zombicide would have gone down as well if Chuck Norris and friends were sold as $10 single figures rather than a freebie.

Uriels_Flame wrote:I also am not a fan of the +$10 to get 1 more model. I did make the stretch to $30 for the extra terrain, as that plus the biohazard deal is just freaking awesome.

I can't go the nickel and dime on the extra toons though.

It's a rough justification.

I'm looking at it as $10 for two cool-looking models (that happen to be somewhat limited), since it's unlikely that the stretch won't be hit. As long as the models for this sort of thing look good, I'll be in for them. Any meh ones, I'll pass on.


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IdentifyZero wrote:
The $100 pledge level is where the majority of the backers are from and will come from though in the next few days. There are many people probably waiting until the last minute unfortunately, to see all the extras they will get. Having stretch goals up ahead of time would help that, I see zombiecide did a crapload of characters to but the quality of the sculpts don't compete with studio McVey.

I agree. they should have two (different in nature) goals up at once, to appeal to different types of people. I'm going to wait until the 11th hour, but that's to make sure I can actually afford what I'd like to get - or as close as possible to it.

Hellfury wrote:
I dont know. At this point it seems rather formulaic.

How is this a bad thing? New characters to play the game differently? I mean... if it works and people continue to like it then do it.

Im sorry but its late and my brain went to bed some time ago. I just found this thread and love the way the game looks, but im a noob about pledging. I want the ridley model and Niven Banks models with my boxed game, what do I do?

They got another $10 from me. But I'm not still sold on the Light's Out pack. This is getting really expensive. A lot of stuff there, but expensive xD


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Fishborne wrote:Im sorry but its late and my brain went to bed some time ago. I just found this thread and love the way the game looks, but im a noob about pledging. I want the ridley model and Niven Banks models with my boxed game, what do I do?

Have you already pledged for your game? If you have, you can click on the 'Manage your pledge' blue icon, and there you can change the amount you have pledged, so you can add $20 for those two minis. If you haven't pledged anything, pledge for $100 (Quarantine pack + both characters) or $120 (Biohazard level + both characters). Biohazrd level is really worthy now, for a $20 difference.

Once you have pledged, you have to choose your level (Quarantine or Biohazard). When the Kickstarter finishes in 12 days, they'll make a survey to each one of us. Then, you will be able to tell them "I want a Biohazard+Dr Ridley+Niven Banks with my $120 pledge". Or whatever applies

scarletsquig wrote:
If they can't give away all these new heroes at the $100 level, then they should set the bar a little higher and start giving stuff away at that point instead... I don't think Zombicide would have gone down as well if Chuck Norris and friends were sold as $10 single figures rather than a freebie.

4 of them were exactly $10 for 2 figures (survivor and zombie versions), which helped get to the free Chuck and Ash, as well as CTS. The Bride, Sam Jackson, Angelina Jolie and other chick were $10 with stretch goals of the zombie versions.

I doubt you will get the terrain pack way cheaper later. Since it is being sold at 40$ later and you pay now 30$, even the most insane LGS or OGS would have a hard time selling it below that.

Hellfury wrote:I dont know. At this point it seems rather formulaic.

Zombicide did the same thing, yet seemed more relevant for that game.

Yep, I'm feeling exactly the same way. Although the concepts look good, it seems a little lazy to crowbar in these pop-culture references and for me it cheapens the universe background a little. I have no problem with $10 boosters, but personally, I'd like to see something more original. Other options to consider is to make the boards single sided, replace other cardboard counters in the box with plastics, consider making plastic versions of the boards which people can plump for as an option, maybe even consider allowing the purchase of some of the sedition wars resin figures for collectors or even alternative troop types for the game (such as the current line of metal SW vanguard troopers), etc.

Do you mean make the boards double-sided?

scipio.au wrote:Do you mean make the boards double-sided?

The boards are already double sided. Various people have asked if they could make them single sided as this effectively doubles the map size and flexibility without any extra design work

Ah okay.
Trouble with that is if the boards are decent, that doubles the amount of heavy cardboard and thus, the adds significantly to shipping weight of every set of the game from now until forever and kind of goes against the replacement of card markers with plastic ones (which are lighter and can be reused in anything). They'd be better off offering another set of boards for $40, but I doubt many would bite on that. (thinking about the game being RRP$80 though, the board got to be at least half the value of the box...)

I'm buying 2x Biohazard to get my double-boards. And a million figures.

scipio.au wrote:I'm looking at it as $10 for two cool-looking models (that happen to be somewhat limited), since it's unlikely that the stretch won't be hit. As long as the models for this sort of thing look good, I'll be in for them. Any meh ones, I'll pass on.

And that's just the thing right - those who want it, will buy it. Those who don't, won't. I'm failing to see why people are making such a big deal out of this. Like you said, any 'meh' ones can be ignored.


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Duncan_Idaho wrote:I doubt you will get the terrain pack way cheaper later. Since it is being sold at 40$ later and you pay now 30$, even the most insane LGS or OGS would have a hard time selling it below that.

I'm amazed it's that cheap, given how much stuff's in there.

And that's just the thing right - those who want it, will buy it. Those who don't, won't. I'm failing to see why people are making such a big deal out of this. Like you said, any 'meh' ones can be ignored.

That's what I see, too. I fail to see why some people are raw about some of the stretch goals affecting the stuff that is bought separately, as if they are missing out because what the Biohazard level gives you as extras isn't completely insane enough anyway. Any more product and they'd be giving away Sedition Wars "two for the price of one".

Several people are also mad about these figures being 10 dollar for each one, but each of the pledges that affect them gives you two figs for that same price, and $5 for a figure is damn good in this market nowadays.

i take it the special figs are resin ?

Who's making a big deal out of anything?

Its a public forum for the sharing of opinions. As a backer I am sure as hell going to make my opinion known and could care less what anyone other than the producers of the game thinks of mine.

As for the terrain being available later: Proposed retail is $40. They are preordering at $30. Typically I can find gaming products online that retail for $40 discounted to $25ish. Way cheaper? Its only around $5, but I don't have to cough up the dough 9 months before the fact and several months after the game is released. Which to me is the big deal.

And if everyone would think like you the game would never be made that fast and good.

Hellfury wrote:Who's making a big deal out of anything?

Its a public forum for the sharing of opinions. As a backer I am sure as hell going to make my opinion known and could care less what anyone other than the producers of the game thinks of mine.

As for the terrain being available later: Proposed retail is $40. They are preordering at $30. Typically I can find gaming products online that retail for $40 discounted to $25ish. Way cheaper? Its only around $5, but I don't have to cough up the dough 9 months before the fact and several months after the game is released. Which to me is the big deal.

You get minis/terrain at nearly 40% discount? Where, if you don't mind me asking? That's around wholesale price my local gets on most things

Duncan_Idaho wrote:And if everyone would think like you the game would never be made that fast and good.

That sentence doesn't even make sense, old bean.

Jeez. I like the terrain. I am going to buy it. The only point of critique I have about it is that it is shipping 4 months after the release of the game.

I don't mind expansions coming later. But the terrain components I personally view as compulsory to the game. Sitting down to paint the game, then sitting down four months later to paint it again in the form of dorrs and whatnot is a pretty big turnoff for me. I like to get stuff over with instead of dragging it out when and where possible.

So if it doesn't ship with the game then I have no reason to preorder it with quite reasonable explanations as to why exactly I feel that way.

Yet because I have a point of critique, suddenly comments like yours are made. I am not kicking your puppy. I am not kicking you in the junk. I am not slapping your ugly wife across the face. I am making a minor criticism known that has absolutely no effect on you other than you wanting to grind an old ax.

Seriously Duncan. Haven't you gotten over yourself yet?

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Duncan_Idaho wrote:And if everyone would think like you the game would never be made that fast and good.

That sentence doesn't even make sense, old bean.

Jeez. I like the terrain. I am going to buy it. The only point of critique I have about it is that it is shipping 4 months after the release of the game.

I don't mind expansions coming later. But the terrain components I personally view as compulsory to the game. Sitting down to paint the game, then sitting down four months later to paint it again in the form of dorrs and whatnot is a pretty big turnoff for me. I like to get stuff over with instead of dragging it out when and where possible.

So if it doesn't ship with the game then I have no reason to preorder it with quite reasonable explanations as to why exactly I feel that way.

Yet because I have a point of critique, suddenly comments like yours are made. I am not kicking your puppy. I am not kicking you in the junk. I am not slapping your ugly wife across the face. I am making a minor criticism known that has absolutely no effect on you other than you wanting to grind an old ax.

Seriously Duncan. Haven't you gotten over yourself yet?

Really no need to be so offensive about things. Sheesh it is just a game relax and enjoy a little more.

And the terrain is certainly nor compulsory to play the game.

@Hellfury

Then stop whining and insulting others that merely state a fact!

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scipio.au wrote:I'm looking at it as $10 for two cool-looking models (that happen to be somewhat limited), since it's unlikely that the stretch won't be hit. As long as the models for this sort of thing look good, I'll be in for them. Any meh ones, I'll pass on.

And that's just the thing right - those who want it, will buy it. Those who don't, won't. I'm failing to see why people are making such a big deal out of this. Like you said, any 'meh' ones can be ignored.

@ H.B.M.C,

I don't think that understanding why people are making a big deal is beyond you, as you are one of the more intelligent posters on the forum. I think the sentiment that you are noticing but disagreeing with is that all these 10$ a pop stretch goals should be included in the Bioshock Level, not added on after the fact.

Whether or not YOU think it should or shouldn't be added isn't going to stop other posters from complaining like they feel forced to keep throwing money at the kickstarter. (Again, whether or not they are being forced isn't the issue, it's that they feel like they are because they want the complete set of uniques.)

Orginally the 100$ backing was appreciated enough to get you everything special that was being offered. You might only get one set, but it was good enough for McVey. Now, you have to almost double that pledge to stay on top of all the extras. If they had told me upfront that in order to get all the extras I would need to drop a 200$ pledge instead I probably wouldn't have gone in at all.

It's the way these newer KS's are flowing;

Step 1: Moderately affordable goal that seems to be the minimum pledge for all the goodies outside of lunches and trips and stuff. This stage of the KS pulls in LOTS of this pledge level.

Step 2: Once we have a large enough base of pledgers in the former premier amount, start nickel and diming them all so that they keep up with the Joneses and get a "complete" KS set of all the promo stuff. Who cares that we manage to squeeze double their original planned donation for everything special?

Myself? I want the Ripleys and such but I won't buy them because they probably won't have any special stat cards wrote into the game. Then again, it's likely that I'm not even going to be playing the game much as I'm still looking for a full on trade of all my humans for someone elses Strain. I see some neat Tyranids here! I donated 100 and I'm staying at 100.

Again, you shouldn't stress yourself out trying to convince everyone that feels this way that they are wrong. Just accept that's where their thought process is at.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:@Hellfury

Then stop whining and insulting others that merely state a fact!

What "fact"?

Has the definition of fact changed to reflect personal opinions now?

@thunderfrog
i agree with you ,but mike has said that all the extra figures will come with stat cards for use in the game .

Hellfury wrote:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:@Hellfury

Then stop whining and insulting others that merely state a fact!

What "fact"?

Has the definition of fact changed to reflect personal opinions now?

Totally agree, I thought this thread was created to not only bring news about the product but also to generate debate. As far as I can tell you explained the issue you have with the "product offer" quite clearly....I don't think that really counts as whining.

If the idea is to bring a news thread into being but not discuss the pros and cons with the deal, why not lock it after the first post....all the FACTs one needs to know are right there.