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And to think before yesterday I didn't even know I needed a Marienburg Land Ship.

And now - must...have....

lol, Too bad it's not coming out.

Scottywan82 wrote:lol, Too bad it's not coming out.

Where did you hear that that one's not coming out?

Murdock129 wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:lol, Too bad it's not coming out.

Where did you hear that that one's not coming out?

Read the thread. Kroothawk said it I believe.

Oh, I read the post. But I don't think you commission something like that and then display it at Games Day in order to NOT release it. I'm sure it will take a while, but I bet the land ship comes out eventually. Just gives me more time to save money...

Now WFB has become even more tempting, hrm.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Where is the Slaaneshi funstuff?

Aww, nobody did an "in my pants!" joke?

hubcap wrote:Oh, I read the post. But I don't think you commission something like that and then display it at Games Day in order to NOT release it. I'm sure it will take a while, but I bet the land ship comes out eventually. Just gives me more time to save money...

Well, the basic explanation was that they don't want to release it until they have a "full line" of Marienburg stuff to release all at once. I don't know if Marienburg is going to be involved with the whole Nurgle bit, seeing as how they're pretty "meh" about the Empire proper.

Marienburg or not, that upgrade kit looks fantastic. Though, with 8th's emphasis on large blocks, and FW stuff costing a pretty penny, I don't think it'll see too much use.

And they've shown tons of things at GD's without releasing it. Remember those Tau from a while back? Still yet to be released...

My understanding of what was said is that the empire upgrade models on show themselves will never be for sale... however this is is because they are being remodelled to be improved. So from their point of view this probably meant they could tell people those models were not being released, because they aren't.

Simples.

Another tidbit from Warseer:

johnny cab wrote:Chaos Dwarves on Forgeworld stand have been made by Spanish female sculptor Thais Mariblanca (she made those funny squigs and she works for several other companies too). Concept art by Mark Bedford from Forgeworld, I forgot

Kroothawk wrote:
Expect pics tomorrow.

That's yesterday, do we get bonus photos for delay?

poipo32 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
Expect pics tomorrow.

That's yesterday, do we get bonus photos for delay?

Here you go, the concept sketches posted by Loki over at http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=8292:





















There are a bucket full of closeup pics of everything in that thread (including detail pics of the above sketches), worth visiting:



Satisfied?

yeah,
that PlagueBearer on the bottom left of the WHFB book looks awesome!
FW Please Please Please make resin PlagueBearerererers!

Panic...

Oh man that land ship looks cool.

They really do NEED to sell that Landship.

We really should stage a write in campaign to that effect!

Again:

The way they talked about it made it seem like they're planning on selling the stuff, just "not at this time".

They want to have a full line of Marienburg stuff to sell all at once, not just one or two things not connected with anything at all.

Frankly, I could see the Marienburg stuff releasing alongside the Tzeentch v. High Elf book that was mentioned.
Marienburg being a heavily sea-based province, maybe have them fleeing the Nurgle invasion of the Empire by going to Ulthuan?

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Kanluwen wrote:Again:

The way they talked about it made it seem like they're planning on selling the stuff, just "not at this time".

While I hope that is true, many aren't reading those comments the same way.

Still - I think they are too good to NOT release, so I think we'll see most of them eventually.

Then people need to learn to read?

Considering the exact quote we've got is "There's no plans to release them at this time, until there's a full range of Marienburg items to release.", I'd say that's pretty definitive.

poipo32 wrote:Bandwidth exceeded...

Oops, sorry made no copies and warning in the original thread came too late. Chaos Dwarfs are still popular it seems
These were concept sketches by Mark Bedford for Chaos Dwarfs (with horns), Hobgoblins, Hobgoblin Wolf Riders, a bull Centaur and a Taurus.

I rehosted them on imageshack.













That last one is my favorite, it looks like a Nurgle Chaos Dwarf.

So whats the demonic glowing bull thingy then? Also that art of the nurgle toad is really disgusting.

That is the famous Taurus, Chaos Dwarf General mount (painted red also called Red Bull ).
On second thought, it doesn't have wings, so it might be something different, like an Avatar of Hashut, God of the Chaos Dwarfs.


Here some more pics:

More pictures snapped by loki that I rehosted.

Can't believe no-ones posted this:

I have done a full summary of everything I'm aware of (credit to all those who posted on warseer).

I didn't think it was worth making a new thread, but of the mods want me to I'll edit this out and start a new one.

Release date
Rumoured that some models will be out by Christmas (2010), Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos out Feb/March/April time

The launch was originally intended for 2012 but the company want to start seeing a return on the investment in design so they will likely launch in early 2011 with 6-8 pieces and then a second wave to follow shortly after.

The production cycle is around 3 months and starting in November so around February release, Paul Rudge said that the books are being produced through Forgeworld and that there was one more IA book to come then this then another IA book then a slot which was undecided which could be the second of these.

Models intended for release (as far as I know)
Theodor Bruckner on Demigriffon (and on foot) the emperors new champion
Marienburg Land Ship
Tamur Khan a nurgle ogre ( possibly a human) riding the toad dragon.
Chaos Dwarf Siege Bombard (will have a chained ogre to load it with a couple of CD 'motivators')
Chaos Dwarf Skullcracker
Chaos Dwarf Magma cannon
Chaos Dwarf Demolition rocket
Chaos Dwarf Steam Engine
Chaos Dwarf Engineer (possibly also the second one)
Carmine Dragon
Chaos Ogre
Nurgle WoC Command
Plague Toads
Plague Toad rider
Spawn

Models showcased but unlikely to be released
Empire upgrade sprues on display won’t be produced (the fits weren't tight enough) but they will likely re-work them and then release.
Nurgle champion unlikely to be released

Rumoured models
Third Nurgle Ogre
Third Nurgle Troll.
Various riders for Carmine Dragon (Empire mentioned)
A mammoth with ogres on it
Plastic monsters for next year!
Possible Vermin Lord
One of the land train carriages will be a platform for a regiment of CD blunderbussers and that they will be released separately followed later on by command models.
More Plague Toad riders

Other rumours
Bull Centaurs
Chaos Dwarfs with Great Weapons (possibly also with halberds??)
Hobgoblins on foot and on wolves
Lord on Great Taurus
CD Sorcerer
Warrior Priests of Taal
Warrior Priests of Morr
Warrior Priest on a Griffon
A boat-like flying ship, with wing-oars.
Possible add-ons to the Doomwheel or Screaming Bell sets

Most of the Chaos Dwarf stuff will be split between books 1-2 as the models have either just been started or are still in the concept phase.

Rick confirmed they were not planning to release CD as a complete army.

The artillery train was described as akin to the warhammer equivalent of a nuke which would fire up over the walls into the centre of the city and level it!

Info on Warhammer Forge
They can't start making FW versions of regular infantry units as that treads on the studios toes, so they intend to do upgrade kits to get around this.

Things like Kislev, CD and hobgoblins would be treated as allied forces, not stand alone armies.

Dogs of War may get some treatment, but only in the form of Regiment of Renown unit/command upgrades for warhammer army book units.

Similar format to the imperial armour books; story line, characters, army lists, special rules and figures to go with.

The books will NOT contain photographs of the models, they will only be artwork. The idea is that the Warhammer Forge books will be of the "era" and be illustrated manuscripts. I guess it also allows them to release models for them years later, as they only have artwork as the placeholder.

The Warhammer Forge books will be linked and span several volumes detailing an expansion of Chaos. This is not written as an unbroken narrative but rather as a selection of scenes or encounters, parts of the story which give the background for the battles.

It will be spread over more than 40 chapters and follows the fortunes of the key characters.

The first book follows the fortunes of Tamur Khan for a bit then leaves him hanging whilst following the fortunes of one of his lieutenants for example or spotlighting events elsewhere in the warhammer world which have a bearing on the tale, before returning to the main characters again. All sumptuously illustrated with fine artworks and wonderful maps showing the routes followed by the main protagonists so we can place the events in the warhammer world as the story unfolds.

Rick has actually scaled out the WFB map in his own way to plan out how long it would actually take an army to march etc.

Rick basically wants to muck around with the timeline and advance it in these books.



The first book features the expansion of Nurgle into the West; Nurgle WoC, Chaos Dwarfs, Ogre Kingdoms and Empire.

The second book concludes the Nurgle expansion, and has some Dwarf models

Second expansion is Tzeentch into the south, fighting the Lizardmen (presumably O&G as well).

Third expansion is Slaanesh into the East, fighting ‘elves’ (presumably High Elves and Dark Elves).

Forth expansion is Khorne into the North.

Note that there will probably be 2 books per chaos god, and there may not always be a book with chaos in, if there is something significant happening somewhere else in the world that has some bearing on the overall story.

Book 1 Tamurkhan - The Throne of Chaos

Planned and written by Rick Priestley.

Lots of bespoke Adrian Smith artwork will feature in the first book.

Ostermark mentioned.

Storyline

The first book either starts or ends with the emperor presumed dead along with all or most of the counts. Esme Stoutheart the Halfling becomes the emperor, this lasts for a short while. The new emperor’s son was kidnapped by orcs and sold to chaos slavers, he's a dark sorcerer.

The books may start at a later time, many years from the current time, when the Empire truly is in ruins, a corpse waiting to be eaten by vultures

The stories are to represent the next, biggest and probably last great incursion. Some well known special characters will probably be killed off. The conclusion of this campaign (all the books) would be not just the end of the empire but the entire warhammer world hence definitely an alternative / future timeline

The first book Tamurkhan focuses on Tamur Khan (a Nurgle worshipping warlord) who is marching west through the lands of the Chaos Dwarfs and the Ogre Kingdoms. Finally ending up in the Empire.

Tamur has taken the form of an Ogre as he takes on the form of whatever he kills, otherwise he is just a big maggot or a lot of small maggots which are release when he is wounded.

The 4 brothers (major powers) divide the world into quarters, each heading in a different direction. The Nurgle invasion starts just north of the mountains of mourn. Some ogres fight against chaos, some join chaos. They then move on through the steppes and dark lands, picking up chaos dwarf and hobgoblin allies and fight their way over the mountains and along the Reik towards Marienburg. at some point the Nurgle lord bathes in the Reik and turns it to pus. The plague toads are either daemons who have used the befouled Reik as a warp rift or possessed/mutated wildlife from the river.

Nice summary with lots of information I have missed so far. I added your summary to the first post of this thread.

So Warhammer Forge will not release a complete Chaos Dwarf army, but just
Lord on Great Taurus
CD Sorcerer
Chaos Dwarfs with Great Weapons (possibly also with halberds??)
CD blunderbussers with command
Bull Centaurs
Hobgoblins on foot and on wolves
CD engineers with lots of cannons and siege weapons
all with rules, background and point costs?

I think I can live with that

BTW, here some further tidbits by Harry:

I am pretty sure their are some warriors coming to go with that Nurgle command.
Also I hear whispers of both Nurgle Knights and Empire Knights.
I got the impression that another Nurgle Troll and Ogre to make up the set of three were a bit of a certainty.
and a BIG land ship ... big enough to have a house on it as seen in the artwork might to be on the cards.
Also I got the impression if we made enough fuss about Festus and some of the other bits and bobs ... there was a chance.
There was also a stunning Nurgle model ... some sort of ridden beast next to the Demi Griffon I can't see in your list.

I think they take a particular route to Altdorf so I am not sure they plan on doing something specific for every province.

Lovely figures that I will never buy because of cost and because they are going to be made in resin. Remember the good old days when GW churned out models monthly in metal?

Upgrade bodies? Should be metal.
Chaos Dwarf troops? Should be metal.

Save the resin for super detailed stuff or things that are one off.

lasgunpacker wrote:Upgrade bodies? Should be metal.
Chaos Dwarf troops? Should be metal.

Remember that Chaos Dwarf troops were mostly plastic, from the CD Warrior plastic box?

lasgunpacker wrote:Save the resin for super detailed stuff or things that are one off.

They do
That's what resin is famous for. Have a peek at Forge Worlds DKoK army and compare them to GW's Cadians or Catachans

Kroothawk wrote:

lasgunpacker wrote:Upgrade bodies? Should be metal.
Chaos Dwarf troops? Should be metal.

Remember that Chaos Dwarf troops were mostly plastic, from the CD Warrior plastic box?

lasgunpacker wrote:Save the resin for super detailed stuff or things that are one off.

They do
That's what resin is famous for. Have a peek at Forge Worlds DKoK army and compare them to GW's Cadians or Catachans

There is no reason that the DKoK could not be made in metal, and they could be made cheaper. The retail price would doubtlessly remain the same.

Resin is a great material for some things, but I do not think that infantry or upgrades are on that list. Too expensive to produce, too fragile, and (depending on the resin) too short lived.