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Well i looked at my copy of bfg. And the best tau ship is no where near as good as the imperial best ship. Infact it seems the tau have no real warships. They are all converted merchant ships.

And the 16 refers to the sept worlds. Not their whole empire, so my bad there.

I frankly dont see why the tau win fire fights. Their weapons are short ranged comparred to the iom. Compare Chimera to devil fish. Shorter ranged weapon, and not as powerful.

Sabbat not sabbot, my bad. Go back to polishing your armor you space marine guy. Lol.

Correct, most Tau ships are converted merchant ships, but still, Tau ships out-range the Imperial Navy and other navies. But at close range, the Tau are very vulnerable, as their broadside weapon batteries don't match up with that of other navies, especially Orks and Space Marines. And once they get boarded or forced to engage in close-combat, well...

Yeah tau ship are glass cannons at best, but mostly inferior death traps. The imperial fleet is clearly better. At least in bfg stats.

So since the Imperium can get space superiority they can pretty much win any planetary battle. Is how it should work.

Of course tau have a plot armor that rivals space marines. And the real defenders of the imperium get flanderized into poorly trained conscripts. It happens.

People, if the full might of the nids attacked the imperium they would nom it. If the full might of the orks attacked as one force everyone would been choppad. If the full might of chaos attacked at the same time the galaxy would be in flames. If the full might of the imperium attacked the adepts of the Ministorium would do mass suicide.

Probably because the REAL warriors are off fighting more dangerous enemies like the Tyranids and the Forces of Chaos, not to mention the Orks. Well, at least the Tau get trouble from Orks and Tyranids too.

So the black crusades arnt the full might of chaos. Maybe they should try harder lol. And orks fight amonst themselves so they can never be at full force. And i agree with you about the adapts.

13 Black Crusades and they still can't leave the Eye? No wonder some fans call Abaddon 'failbaddon'? Wish a war with the Tau would be launched as a tournament. Good chance to show true Imperial power against those upstarts.

Tadashi wrote:Probably because the REAL warriors are off fighting more dangerous enemies like the Tyranids and the Forces of Chaos, not to mention the Orks. Well, at least the Tau get trouble from Orks and Tyranids too.

Tau fight Daemons and Tyranids just as much as the 'real' warriors, but lack that added luxury of hiding in their Fortress Monasteries and Chapter Fleet, screening requests for aid like they were telemarketers.

Don't worry though, when the Emperor dies and your little astropaths get lost in the Warp, we'll see how strong you really are.

Ah, no...when the Emperor dies HE will be a real god...then WE get to see how well your pulse weapons will be against Angels being summoned out of the warp to fight alongside Astartes and the Imperial Guard...

I honestly dont dislike the tau. Well thats a lie, i dislike the looks of them, fish people riding in anime style mechas, not my cup of tea. I dont mind the army in the fluff.

I dont like how they are so insignificant, yet to appeal to the anime fans they make it where they consistantly punch way above their weight. And to make sure that they can keep selling them, any attacking force has to be complete blundering fools so the tau can win.

I don't dislike the Tau too, but they REALLY irritate me. They think "we can get along if we try to understand each other". Please...Mankind tried that in DAOT, and guess what happened next...I know they're supposed to be a nod to anime but, I don't really see it.

KplKeegan wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Probably because the REAL warriors are off fighting more dangerous enemies like the Tyranids and the Forces of Chaos, not to mention the Orks. Well, at least the Tau get trouble from Orks and Tyranids too.

Tau fight Daemons and Tyranids just as much as the 'real' warriors, but lack that added luxury of hiding in their Fortress Monasteries and Chapter Fleet, screening requests for aid like they were telemarketers.

Actually tau fight the rare enemy that makes past the iom shield. But i agree with you about the marines.

Don't worry though, when the Emperor dies and your little astropaths get lost in the Warp, we'll see how strong you really are.

Hopefully the tau can survive with out the iom shielding them from the big scary things that are out there.

The Tau could use their technology to wage a guerrilla war, but they whould have to take one planet at a time, gaining momentum VERY SLOWLY. At any point, the Imperium could dedicate forces of Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy, and Space Marines to stop the Tau expansion. Figure in the outside threats from other races and it's nearly a stand-still, in my opinion at least.

They can't. And not all Space Marines have Fortress-Monasteries. Most Chapters are fleet-based, they wander the galaxy looking for hot spots. They have recruiting worlds they visit once every generation, but they are few and far in between.

This is pointless because all the imperium fan boys are kids and cant accept rational points of view or they blame the authors. If any of you imperial fan boys actually read any fluff into the imperium youd know for every victory the imperium of man has it looses 2 others. Also any Tau planets that were "conquered" were retaken by the Tau. The empire is shrinking. And one last thing if its the so called commanders fault of that battle then the imperium must really suck to hire such un-intelligent generals (all the time). Aka in any battle the imperium looses .Is a battle you fanboy's have to stick your tampons in)

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:
Hopefully the tau can survive with out the iom shielding them from the big scary things that are out there.

Hey. We killed Slaanesh.

And you can still venerate your Emperor. But the Greater Good comes first.

Malroke wrote:This is pointless because all the imperium fan boys are kids and cant accept rational points of view or they blame the authors. If any of you imperial fan boys actually read any fluff into the imperium youd know for every victory the imperium of man it has it looses 2 others. Also any Tau planets that were "conquered" were retaken by the Tau. The empire is shrinking. And one last thing if its the so called commanders fault of that battle then the imperium must really suck to hire such un-intelligent generals (all the time). Aka in any battle the imperium looses .Is a battle you fanboy's have to stick your tampons in)

Wrong.

Ha! The Imperium is a big place, my boy. The universe is always unleashing some new catastrophe, some marauding race. Hundreds of worlds die, but millions more prosper. It matters not. Nothing can truly hurt us here. - Lord Magister Ithax Stroam, Terra

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Iur_tae_mont wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:
Hopefully the tau can survive with out the iom shielding them from the big scary things that are out there.

Hey. We killed Slaanesh.

And you can still venerate your Emperor. But the Greater Good comes first.

Yeah...right...without psychic abilities...Oh, and the Greater Good states the all Tau get a bolt round in the head, and all Ethereals stand in front of Imperial Guard firing squads.

Worst-case scenario for the Imperium:
The Imperium gives up and uses the Exterminatus to cleanse all of the Tau worlds. (It's like flipping the table in a game of chess)

Tadashi wrote:

Malroke wrote:This is pointless because all the imperium fan boys are kids and cant accept rational points of view or they blame the authors. If any of you imperial fan boys actually read any fluff into the imperium youd know for every victory the imperium of man it has it looses 2 others. Also any Tau planets that were "conquered" were retaken by the Tau. The empire is shrinking. And one last thing if its the so called commanders fault of that battle then the imperium must really suck to hire such un-intelligent generals (all the time). Aka in any battle the imperium looses .Is a battle you fanboy's have to stick your tampons in)

Wrong.

Ha! The Imperium is a big place, my boy. The universe is always unleashing some new catastrophe, some marauding race. Hundreds of worlds die, but millions more prosper. It matters not. Nothing can truly hurt us here. - Lord Magister Ithax Stroam, Terra

Ok no its not wrong and even iff you challenged this you have just quoted some silly imperium person and you hope this will fight your own battle's for you instead of thinking (this is not a fact it is a statement). Please learn to put a point across rationally

first off.

I detest 99% of anime, and have been playing this game since its inception, and I am bored to death of all the neo-gregorian grimdarkness of most of the setting and found the Tau a welcome releif from its drudgery, now if thats the kind emo eviroment and you enjoy grimdarkness, cudos to you, but incessent genocidal wishlisting on part of the genre that others enjoy, is both infantile and boring, its like kids talking about who's dad can beat up whoms, or what superhero can kick anothers rear.

I like every faction in the game..but the players of said factions are another matter.

Tau are a EXPANDING empire, the IoM is a static or even retreating empire, its hopes and prayers to a corpse sitting upon the golden throne which may or may not have a sliver of the great man that fought thousands of years before, and who's great empire is full of superstitious witch seeing zealots, that feel in order to turn on a copy machine you have to light candles and burn some sweetmeats.

The Tau actually will negotiate, and have many planets of the wonderfully oppresive IoM join them and actually fight for the freedom to choose where they spend their lives, and when the IoM re-takes the planet (if they can example Taros ) they then exterminate those same humans, sorry kids I will take little blue aliens over that form of human tryanny anyday.

And as to the Tau fleet, the old ones were converted merchant ships, the newest ones are dedicated combat craft, check forgeworld for the actual models.

Tadashi wrote:

Iur_tae_mont wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:
Hopefully the tau can survive with out the iom shielding them from the big scary things that are out there.

Hey. We killed Slaanesh.

Yeah...right...without psychic abilities...

Tau's first contact with Chaos: The forces of chaos kept mentioning Slaanesh, which lead the Tau to believe he(slaanesh) was the commander of the opposing force. When the Tau won, they assumed they killed Slaanesh.

So to the Tau, they killed Slaanesh. It's no more invalid than your quote from Stroam, since it's from their POV.

Did they really kill Slaanesh? No.

Is the Imperium invulnerable? Nope, But some saves are.

The Tau actually will negotiate, and have many planets of the wonderfully oppresive IoM join them and actually fight for the freedom to choose where they spend their lives, and when the IoM re-takes the planet (if they can example Taros ) they then exterminate those same humans, sorry kids I will take little blue aliens over that form of human tryanny anyday.

It's not tyranny, Gue'vesa that join the Tau are traitors to the Imperium.
If I remember correctly, the Tau don't treat their enemies too kindly either, if the Tau ending of Dawn of War: The Dark Crusade is canonical, then the Tau throw their POWs into a Knarloc pit. That doesn't exactly sound like a fair trial.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

KplKeegan wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Probably because the REAL warriors are off fighting more dangerous enemies like the Tyranids and the Forces of Chaos, not to mention the Orks. Well, at least the Tau get trouble from Orks and Tyranids too.

Tau fight Daemons and Tyranids just as much as the 'real' warriors, but lack that added luxury of hiding in their Fortress Monasteries and Chapter Fleet, screening requests for aid like they were telemarketers.

Actually tau fight the rare enemy that makes past the iom shield. But i agree with you about the marines.

Don't worry though, when the Emperor dies and your little astropaths get lost in the Warp, we'll see how strong you really are.

Hopefully the tau can survive with out the iom shielding them from the big scary things that are out there.

Actually, there's a Warp Rift right next to the Bor'Kan Sept World that has been reported as spitting out Daemons. To the North there are Necrone Bone Worlds, where Flayed Ones are scrabbling around waiting for the next Red Harvest. To the East are the Nids. To the West are the Orks, Imperium, and to some extent, Chaos Marines.

So the Imperium isn't exactly shielding anything from the Tau, its just the fact that the Empire is relatively small. Its like throwing a dart at a blue balloon in a sea of red ones. The only exception to this analogy is Daemons, to which it goes in reverse, since Daemons are drawn more to Humanity for their connection to the Warp.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

The Tau actually will negotiate, and have many planets of the wonderfully oppresive IoM join them and actually fight for the freedom to choose where they spend their lives, and when the IoM re-takes the planet (if they can example Taros ) they then exterminate those same humans, sorry kids I will take little blue aliens over that form of human tryanny anyday.

iIt's not tyranny, Gue'vesa that join the Tau are traitors to the Imperium.
If I remember correctly, the Tau don't treat their enemies to kindly either, if the Tau ending of Dawn of War: The Dar Crusade is canonical, then the Tau throw their POWs into a Knarloc pit. That doesn't exactly sound like a fair trial.

The Tau have not had any planets defect to the IoM, and the various DOW games although very enjoyable, can be a bit non canon, but oh well, the only Tau rough justice I remeber is the placing the Rebeling humans into camps and their population dwindled.

While its a reach to find Tau Cruelty, the IoM wears it as a badge of honor, or at least the fans do, you are happy when a planet is exterminated because its full of traitors, even if they are merely humans that want a better life, a better life that a alien race offers and its own government denies.

So within the fluff, the Tau offer a option, and one many human worlds would gladly risk being branded traitors for. And another point the Tau actually will come to the aid of its allies and friends....something the IoM can't do..since they have no friends or allies.

Hmm game fans lives reflecting reality.

Squidmanlolz wrote:Worst-case scenario for the Imperium:
The Imperium gives up and uses the Exterminatus to cleanse all of the Tau worlds. (It's like flipping the table in a game of chess)

Said that before. Space marines show up, heading at the planet with a speed that makes targeting impossible, drops off some cyclonic torpedos, pops into the warp, to the next Tau world, all the way to T'au.

Tadashi wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:Worst-case scenario for the Imperium:
The Imperium gives up and uses the Exterminatus to cleanse all of the Tau worlds. (It's like flipping the table in a game of chess)

Said that before. Space marines show up, heading at the planet with a speed that makes targeting impossible, drops off some cyclonic torpedos, pops into the warp, to the next Tau world, all the way to T'au.

If its that easy to do exterminatus why havent they done it to every enemy planet already? Answer because they cant, they do not have enough force's and also the opposite faction would intercept the imperiums and engage in fleet battles also these missiles heading for the planet would be shot down. Also the imperiums fleet has very low technology and does not have the advantage of quality in any shape or form ship's or commanders (yes commanders you dug your hole when you blamed them for loosing every battle you lost). Also iff your moving to fast to be targeted your forces would not be able to target anything either.

Tadashi wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:Worst-case scenario for the Imperium:
The Imperium gives up and uses the Exterminatus to cleanse all of the Tau worlds. (It's like flipping the table in a game of chess)

Said that before. Space marines show up, heading at the planet with a speed that makes targeting impossible, drops off some cyclonic torpedos, pops into the warp, to the next Tau world, all the way to T'au.

Keep thinking that. When you come to the High Lords of Terra to create another chapter to replace the one you destroyed, don't be surprised when they tell you no.

Tadashi wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:Worst-case scenario for the Imperium:
The Imperium gives up and uses the Exterminatus to cleanse all of the Tau worlds. (It's like flipping the table in a game of chess)

Said that before. Space marines show up, heading at the planet with a speed that makes targeting impossible, drops off some cyclonic torpedos, pops into the warp, to the next Tau world, all the way to T'au.

Wow..how has the IoM ever got along without your staggering grasp of tactics and logistics, does the lords of Terra know you have this massive intellect stashed away in a simple marines head..

Solve all the galaxies woes with torpedoes, yeah so simple, do that to every planet, all the time, no need for super bad boy astartes, wars can be fought by couch potatoe stick jokeys eating cheetos and pusing buttons.

Get back on your silly shuttle and fly back to IoM fanboy land..they miss you.

meanest post I have ever done.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
And another point the Tau actually will come to the aid of its allies and friends....something the IoM can't do..since they have no friends or allies.

The IoM is known to have occasionally allied itself with the Eldar and negotiated cease fire with the Tau.
Also, from what I understand, according to Matt Ward (you can ignore this part)'s Blood Angels Codex, the Blood Angels teamed up with Necrons... ... ...

Squidmanlolz wrote:\
the Blood Angels teamed up with Tyranids

XD


The idea of that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. it was Blood Angels and Necrons AGAINST Tyranids.