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Commissar Benny wrote:
* What is Trazyn's stake in all this? Isn't the necrons like primary objective to wipe out all life in the galaxy? Why the hell does he care? Chaos cannot exist without life. If there is no one alive suffering, depressed, lustful etcetera then Chaos ceases to exist. He has pokeballs with people in stasis? Interesting.

That's oldcrons, newcrons have their lords having their own little quirks and stuff and they do what they want with their dynasty of mindless skelebots. Trazyn's thing is he goes around the universe stealing things to add to his great museum. So his motivation is a mix of "they're breaking my stuff", "I felt like it today" and "I could get new shinies, I love new shinies".

 n0t_u wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
* What is Trazyn's stake in all this? Isn't the necrons like primary objective to wipe out all life in the galaxy? Why the hell does he care? Chaos cannot exist without life. If there is no one alive suffering, depressed, lustful etcetera then Chaos ceases to exist. He has pokeballs with people in stasis? Interesting.

That's oldcrons, newcrons have their lords having their own little quirks and stuff and they do what they want with their dynasty of mindless skelebots. Trazyn's thing is he goes around the universe stealing things to add to his great museum. So his motivation is a mix of "they're breaking my stuff", "I felt like it today" and "I could get new shinies, I love new shinies".

That, and technically Chaos's goal was never to wipe out all life, imo. It was more to merge the Immaterium with the Materium, thus giving their gods an even greater realm as well as direct access to souls.
Necrons hate that. Both the old and the new. The old hated it because their gods can't exist in the warp, and as super lawful evil robots, chaos makes them angry.
The new hates it because that would really screw up their yard, and those damn chaos brats should learn to keep off of it.

For the record, it couldn't have been anyone but Trazyn capturing Creed. It was a metal hand and a scaled cloak. Who else would fit that description?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't like how it looks like there's going to be an alliance between imperials and xenos.

What happened to "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war"? Stop trying to make 40k noblebright, GW.

I'm pretty sure you're getting 'grimdark' confused with 'making pants-on-head-stupid decisions and getting yourself killed.'

If grimdark can only come about through every single person on the order side being just the dumbest mouthbreathers to ever walk the materium, you can keep it.


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 stonehorse wrote:
That may be the worst piece of fiction I have witnessed.

Sure, this is a recap, so missing some fleshing out, what we have is the bare bones of the story. That being said it is dreadful, and reeks of bad fan-fiction.

I don't know, making snap judgements of fluff I also haven't read I'd say it was way better than all the fluff from 2nd ed all the way up through early 6th.

ERJAK wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't like how it looks like there's going to be an alliance between imperials and xenos.

What happened to "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war"? Stop trying to make 40k noblebright, GW.

I'm pretty sure you're getting 'grimdark' confused with 'making pants-on-head-stupid decisions and getting yourself killed.'

If grimdark can only come about through every single person on the order side being just the dumbest mouthbreathers to ever walk the materium, you can keep it.

That was exactly what happened though with that last Eldar/Deathwatch release. When given the choice between working with the Eldar or letting Chaos take over the galaxy, the Deathwatch member chose the latter and shot the Eldar.

Of course that kind of facepalming stupidity is probably also why the Eldar don't think humans can be trusted to handle the truth and instead have to be manipulated.

Gotta say, even though this is a just a plot summary, and thus not indicative of the writing quality as a whole... this sounds awful.

Like... Naruto-First Story-Slash Fic-Highschool AU-fanfic bad.

I... don't think I'll be picking this one up, at least not based on this thread.

 TheoreticalFish wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 godardc wrote:
What do you think Cawl's artifact, in the triaros, is ?

Davin, horus, Anathame

Wasn't that taken by Fulgrim and Lucius?

Edit: So, taken by Fulgrim, fuzziness happens, Erebus somehow ends up with it at Macragge. Breaks off 8 shards which are powerful. Then Fulgrim retrieves it, takes it to a planet and uses it to become a Demon in Angel Exterminatus. After that, nothing

The Murder Sword relic in the CSM codex is implied to be the Anathame.

Commissar Benny wrote:
* What is Trazyn's stake in all this? Isn't the necrons like primary objective to wipe out all life in the galaxy? Why the hell does he care? Chaos cannot exist without life. If there is no one alive suffering, depressed, lustful etcetera then Chaos ceases to exist. He has pokeballs with people in stasis? Interesting.

* What is in Cawl's possession?

As covered a bit above, Necrons were retcon’d by Ward a couple of codex ago. Lore is now, “Back in the old days, they were working for the C’tan, who wanted to eat all the souls. But then they turned on their masters, shattered them into less powerful fragments of their former godlike selves, and captured them in tesseract pokeballs. After gaining their independence, Necrons are now mostly concerned with reconquering all their old worlds they lost when they went into hibernation 64 million years ago.”
That being said, there ARE still Necron worlds out there whose central programing has been corrupted and they still think they're working for the C'tan harvesting souls and cleansing all life from the Galaxy. Trazyn is not one of those guys. He's pretty neutral, compared to most Necrons (even if he is kind of a troll). Mostly he just likes collecting rare things in his stasis tesseract pokeballs (even if those things are entire imperial regiments). It's rumored that he has a primarch in his collection… that could be what Cawl got.

Regardless,

-Metal giant
-Scaled cloak
-Doesn’t want Creed to die/wants to keep him around for eternity
-Laughing

… Yep, sounds like Trazyn to me!
(Would have made a fine addition to his collection)

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snipers from the long dead Tanith

HA, Tanith Boys are back in the game! Sadly, they are just a honorable mention :(

Anyone got their hands on a copy yet?

Love the summary and its wittiness. Not sure if its great fluff but I have never been one to take the 40k fluff seriously so I'm ok with cheesy abridged summaries and not needing the super serious fluff.

I am concerned though with how things will go in terms of factions "teaming up". Primarily I want the Orks involved with things more than just being some backdrop mooks but I also don't want them to end up being some other faction's puppet or teaming up (for more than a few minutes). All this fighting has got to draw the attention of some Warbosses or perhaps even some Freebootas *hint* *hint* *hint* (GW get on this) who want to show up for some good times, loot. and maybe the opportunity to kick in teef of some of the more insufferable gitz in the galaxy.

 n0t_u wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
* What is Trazyn's stake in all this? Isn't the necrons like primary objective to wipe out all life in the galaxy? Why the hell does he care? Chaos cannot exist without life. If there is no one alive suffering, depressed, lustful etcetera then Chaos ceases to exist. He has pokeballs with people in stasis? Interesting.

That's oldcrons, newcrons have their lords having their own little quirks and stuff and they do what they want with their dynasty of mindless skelebots. Trazyn's thing is he goes around the universe stealing things to add to his great museum. So his motivation is a mix of "they're breaking my stuff", "I felt like it today" and "I could get new shinies, I love new shinies".

This made me laugh alot more than it should

All these people thinking that Loken is the "Artifact"... I wouldn't count on that.

Abaddon has heard Loken's name a bunch of times since Davin. Like, hundreds of times probably. They still were Luna Wolves for a few campaigns after Davin, and Mournival brothers besides. Then Loken came back in the Horus Heresy book "Vengeful Spirit" and confronted Horus and the Mournival again as a Knight Errant (which is believed to be the basis for the Grey Knights) so it seems very unlikely to be Loken.

I can't begin to guess what the Artifact is, but I can certainly guess what it isn't.

Just finished. That was pretty damned superb if you ask me!

Wait,

A Chaos Baneblade is wrecking havoc amongst the Cadians, and the Black Templars rally to try and stop it and just as it swings its guns around to blow them away it suddenly freezes... and turns around and starts shooting the Chaos Forces... no-one notices a sneaky Necron Lord lurking about....

Was that supposed to be Trazyn controlling the Baneblade?
Because that ability sounds like Mind In The Machine.
But Trazyn doesn't have that ability. That's one of Anrakyr's abilities.
Surely it's not suggesting he was there, too, right?
(Trazyn I can easily see helping other races. But Anrakyr? Not a chance).

 skoffs wrote:
Wait,

A Chaos Baneblade is wrecking havoc amongst the Cadians, and the Black Templars rally to try and stop it and just as it swings its guns around to blow them away it suddenly freezes... and turns around and starts shooting the Chaos Forces... no-one notices a sneaky Necron Lord lurking about....

Was that supposed to be Trazyn controlling the Baneblade?
Because that ability sounds like Mind In The Machine.
But Trazyn doesn't have that ability. That's one of Anrakyr's abilities.
Surely it's not suggesting he was there, too, right?
(Trazyn I can easily see helping other races. But Anrakyr? Not a chance).

I can easily see Trazyn nicking off Anrakyr's skill.

 skoffs wrote:
Wait,

A Chaos Baneblade is wrecking havoc amongst the Cadians, and the Black Templars rally to try and stop it and just as it swings its guns around to blow them away it suddenly freezes... and turns around and starts shooting the Chaos Forces... no-one notices a sneaky Necron Lord lurking about....

Was that supposed to be Trazyn controlling the Baneblade?
Because that ability sounds like Mind In The Machine.
But Trazyn doesn't have that ability. That's one of Anrakyr's abilities.
Surely it's not suggesting he was there, too, right?
(Trazyn I can easily see helping other races. But Anrakyr? Not a chance).

Definitely Trazyn.

But not Mind In The Machine it would seem....but Mind Shackle Scarabs.

 jifel wrote:
Eldrad is not dead in current continuity. Yes he dies in the original campaign, but it appears they have backtracked us behind that point and started over, and so at the moment he is alive. But, I would hope that in the future of this campaign he dies again, preferably when Slaanesh eventually gets a GD kit and rules.

Its a complete redo of the eye of terror campaign.

As usual Wards retcon necron dex fethed up the entire story so crashing the black stone fortress into Cadia gets them out of the way for future stories. Plus if you're not being made into a plastic model you will get phased out. Kell and Creed is such an example. Eldrad however is in plastic so he'll keep going until they blow up the universe and set the clock back in 8th ed and start over/ for some reason have bubbles of reality bumping into each other like AoS.

The signs are there, Imperials getting lumped together in a very orderly fashion, a grand alliance if you will.

 TheIronCrow wrote:

 jifel wrote:
Eldrad is not dead in current continuity. Yes he dies in the original campaign, but it appears they have backtracked us behind that point and started over, and so at the moment he is alive. But, I would hope that in the future of this campaign he dies again, preferably when Slaanesh eventually gets a GD kit and rules.

Its a complete redo of the eye of terror campaign.

As usual Wards retcon necron dex fethed up the entire story so crashing the black stone fortress into Cadia gets them out of the way for future stories. Plus if you're not being made into a plastic model you will get phased out. Kell and Creed is such an example. Eldrad however is in plastic so he'll keep going until they blow up the universe and set the clock back in 8th ed and start over/ for some reason have bubbles of reality bumping into each other like AoS.

The signs are there, Imperials getting lumped together in a very orderly fashion, a grand alliance if you will.

Except, you know, those bubbles are called "planets" (bigger even than the Old World but they have been confirmed to be planets for quite a while). Creed may very well come back, though.

So Cadia is not totally destroyed? I mean the planet it still there? And Creed lives?

Agiel wrote:
Is it also possible that the Shadowseer Cawl speaks with is...

Spoiler:

Lhaerial Rey from the Beast Arises? The last book has half a paragraph explaining that Weinand freed her from the Inquisitorial Fortress, hoping that someday she and the Eldar would return the favour.

Granted _most_ Eldar have a lifespan of a thousand years give or take and that storyline took place *ahem* over nine thousand years ago, but particularly powerful psykers like Eldrad can live for far longer than that, and time probably passes differently in the Webway and someone could step into it and come out after centuries have passed and look like they haven't aged a day.


*EDIT* Never mind, a teaser image from GW seems to confirm that was in fact Sylandri Veilwalker. She's rapidly turning into the G-Man of the 40K universe:

Orven Highfell Wolf Lord of the Ironwolves...when did Edgil Ironwolf buy the farm?

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

Agiel wrote:
Is it also possible that the Shadowseer Cawl speaks with is...

Spoiler:

Lhaerial Rey from the Beast Arises? The last book has half a paragraph explaining that Weinand freed her from the Inquisitorial Fortress, hoping that someday she and the Eldar would return the favour.

Granted _most_ Eldar have a lifespan of a thousand years give or take and that storyline took place *ahem* over nine thousand years ago, but particularly powerful psykers like Eldrad can live for far longer than that, and time probably passes differently in the Webway and someone could step into it and come out after centuries have passed and look like they haven't aged a day.


*EDIT* Never mind, a teaser image from GW seems to confirm that was in fact Sylandri Veilwalker. She's rapidly turning into the G-Man of the 40K universe:

Orven Highfell Wolf Lord of the Ironwolves...when did Edgil Ironwolf buy the farm?

When does the assault on Fenris take place in regards to this? Because Egil was on Midgardia at the time.

Typo? Wolf Guard Battle Leader?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Wait,

A Chaos Baneblade is wrecking havoc amongst the Cadians, and the Black Templars rally to try and stop it and just as it swings its guns around to blow them away it suddenly freezes... and turns around and starts shooting the Chaos Forces... no-one notices a sneaky Necron Lord lurking about....

Was that supposed to be Trazyn controlling the Baneblade?
Because that ability sounds like Mind In The Machine.
But Trazyn doesn't have that ability. That's one of Anrakyr's abilities.
Surely it's not suggesting he was there, too, right?
(Trazyn I can easily see helping other races. But Anrakyr? Not a chance).

Definitely Trazyn.

But not Mind In The Machine it would seem....but Mind Shackle Scarabs.

I guess...
(he does have that wargear)
Though I really wish they would have showcased some of his abilities more. Particularly Empathetic Obliterator (whacks one daemon, suddenly all the other daemons around it die, too. Everyone looks at him like "...wtf was THAT?!")

Spoilers about Egil:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Spoilers about Egil:

Spoiler:

He dies in the events of Wrath of Magnus. He basically takes an attack from Magnus that was meant for Logan, losing his life to protect his leader.

Must have forgotten that. Busy laughing at Grimnar getting backhanded.

I'd almost forgotten it too tbh, though for a different reason (Logan using a Khorne-empowered daemon weapon in front of the GK and the =][= and not even getting a slap on the wrist for it).

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'd almost forgotten it too tbh, though for a different reason (Logan using a Khorne-empowered daemon weapon in front of the GK and the =][= and not even getting a slap on the wrist for it).

Take your pick of distractions - like the Cadian distress call.

One thing I haven't seen discussed much is the "robed" pre-Heresy Astartes attacking the Skitarii on Agripinaa (p.68)...is this supposed to be a shout-out to Cypher?

 GoonBandito wrote:
Creed stands alone on the ruined surface of Cadia, and watches as the last Mechanicum ship lifts off into the sky. Cadia was now little more than a graveyard. He felt his strength ebbing away, as his wounds finally caught up with him. The storm parts before him, but not a Demon stands before him. A metal giant in a scaled cloak. Creed's panicked shot goes wide as iridescent polygons flicker on the figures upraised palm, "Ursarkar E. Creed. This need not be your end. Eternity awaits." The giant's laughter follows Creed into darkness....

Who might this be?