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2012/05/23 15:18:21
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (5/27: a gallery voting oddity for you to consider)
Gitsplitta wrote:*chuckle* Actually you are on-topic, it's your last comment that while appreciated... is off-topic!
Well in that case: My gut reaction is that the first pic of the tank is a bit brighter and that the colors are a bit more vivid. I wouldn't think that would influence my vote and unfortunately I didn't vote on the first tank picture, so I can't test my hypothesis.
To any who are not DCMs and wonder what my particular grading criteria are for paint scores:
Spoiler:
I guess I would break my voting down in stages:
Note: Conversions, Interesting Poses, Water effects, Green Stuff Sculpting, Elaborate Bases, ect play absolutely no role in my vote for painting but are covered under the "Coolness Rating".
I also try my best not to let my personal feelings reflect in how I rank models.
Lastly, I often find myself voting on models in which part of it is a 9 while the rest of it...how best to say it...well it seams like the painter got either bored or tired and wanted to move on to something else. Like say an amazingly detailed banner that ranks in IMO in the 9s, but the rest of the model is just base painted with sparse or no highlights (what I would rank as a 5-6). This will likely bump his paint score down a notch or two. Anyways...
NA(0): Model is only primed, not painted, or vast majority is not painted. Again, I think it helps when WIP pics are left disabled as I really only want to vote on finished pics. Sometimes really (and I mean gawd awefull) blurry pictures will earn this rating.
1-3: Majority of model is painted. Painting is very sloppy with no clean boundary lines maintained, colors overlapping. Color selection is very poor and glaring.
4: Boundary lines are largely maintained with little color overlap. Good color selection.
5: Boundary lines are maintianed with no color overlap, no highlighting or shading. If highlighted, a poor job (shakey hand syndrome) will earn a 5.
6 - 7: Crisp solid highlights and shading; Layering is neither blended or gradual. Models with significant dry brushing (besides fur) can reach this level, but seldom higher due to the grainy texture... and that it is an easier method compared blending
8: Highlights and shades are gradually worked up to create a blended effect
9: Devil is in the free hand details. This exhibits the same blending of highlights as 8 but incorporates significant free hand details like mottled spots on animals, scroll work, glyphs, emblems, scars, ect that are sharp, precise and flavorable.
10: Golden Deamons. Shows a mastery of blended transitions and free hand details.
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Gitsplitta wrote:@Brian: The problem with doing that is it takes you out of the gallery pool and off the gallery splash/front page. That means people aren't seeing your work unless they're stopping by your blog. That means they can't help you with it, be inspired by it, or any of the other wonderful non-voting things that getting your pictures out there does for you. I'd bet it brings in traffic to your blog as well. People see a cool fig, poke around your gallery a bit, maybe see the blog the pic was posted on & go check it out. All good.
If you disable voting... none of those things happen.
Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
2012/05/23 16:22:13
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (5/27: a gallery voting oddity for you to consider)
Really? That's surprising. Never found a pic from either of those avenues that had the voting disabled... including some that really should have, so I just thought it was part of the plan.
Hmmm.... Thanks for correcting me!
Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."
Gitsplitta wrote:Really? That's surprising. Never found a pic from either of those avenues that had the voting disabled... including some that really should have, so I just thought it was part of the plan.
Hmmm.... Thanks for correcting me!
Except I'm not convinced the main splash/blog works that way. Maybe I'll PM Yak, politely.
Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
2012/05/23 19:09:00
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (5/27: a gallery voting oddity for you to consider)
Me too. Though I find mine tend to start high and slowly go down over time. I'm guessing that's the "friend effect" where my buds vote with a bias (thank you) but over time more and more random people just blunder into the figure in the gallery or if I'm really lucky... the gallery splash page, so you get a more unbiased opinion and the scores drift down.
I like wyomingfox's judging criteria... but I tend to have more wiggle room around 8 and 9. Things like composition, color, how the paint job matches the figure, etc. come in to play as well as whatever technical aspects of painting are exhibited. I guess you could also move these into coolness... but I view coolness as a measure of "wow-factor" or showmanship. The afore-mentioned issues are for me, still a matter of artistic endeavor, thus fall under the painting score. I figure basing into the painting score as well.
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Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."
Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
2012/05/24 02:33:01
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (5/27: a gallery voting oddity for you to consider)
To be honest I don't have a clue how some people vote for images. I've kind of given up with the ones in my gallery some have really good votes and some very different. My best example is my Necrodefiler I have four pics with enough votes 3 have both p and c about 8.5 and then the third is 6.6, its in a totally different field of its own!
I think the higher votes are from people following your blog while the others are from random gallery finds.
As promised... paint hits the mini on page 304. Airbrushing of black is essentially done at this point. Now, I realize this looks anything but black. Let me assure you it's a trick of the camera, it's quite black.
Painting process to date:
- black primer
- 3 shades of ever-lighter grey as highlights, very light touch
- badab black wash
- satin varnish
It's the reflectivity of the varnish that makes it look so grey/silver to the camera. Next step will be lining with black wash. Then there will be a pause for station identification while I get some expert advice.
Other projects on the docket too. Rare instance where I have multiple irons in the fire. More later perhaps.
Gits
Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."
interesting mini... what were you saing will this one be painted as? LotD? or what other chapter?... and is this one of the backpacks of hits the spot?
aren´t the LotD the marines with all those bones and flames? how will you adapt this scheme to this mini... this is really interesting! to say the least... and i am following hits thread too... too bad he is at not really posting on dakka...
thanks git for the pointer... i somehow had over read that... using the TS Marines makes sense to me...
so more ghostly than cheesy... does that mean you change the scheme of the standard LotD substantially to your own version... the way you mention this it sounds to me as if you want to make them look more like the army of the dead from the LotR game... you know those ghostly greenish looking skeletons...?
No, not at all. He was just black with a slight green tint to the armor.
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Hmmm... busy day today. Got the black done on the LoTD, painted up a Fire Hawk marine for fun and built and primed my FW Skin Wolf. Decent work for the day.
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Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."
Well, what's frustrating from my end is that you guys aren't actually seeing the figure the way it is... you see all shiny and light grey when that's NOT what it looks like in person. However, the lining is done, I could put a layer of dull coat on now if I wanted. Hopefully the next pic will be more representative of the actual paint job.
Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."
Well color me interested!
Looking good Gits. I wouldn't fret too much about how we see the model- in progress shots rarely look like they're supposed to.
Im sure Sarge looks great in person, and Im still really interested in how you do the glow. I gotta dust off my airbrush and learn from your work. Lotsa cool techniques!
Made this Fire Hawk in an effort to help Yellowbeard find a good paint scheme for his chapter. Colors aren't quite right, but it did make a purty figure. Slapped an inquisitional symbol on him so he can run with my Inquisitorial squads. I'm always looking for regular bolter-armed marines.
Gits
Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."
Interesting to be doing LotD and Fire Hawks at the same time. Because (correct me if I'm wrong) the Legion of the Damned are supposedly the last of the fire hawks.
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2012/05/27 06:23:56
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (5/26: Fire Hawk tactical marine)
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions
2012/05/27 06:50:32
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (5/26: Fire Hawk tactical marine)
I like your lotd very much; what kind of detailing, if any, is going to be on the breastplate? The sculpt is pretty bare there, so wondered if you're going to add any specific paintjob. Also, like the Fire Hawk - it's strangely satisfying painting outside of your standard run of chapters, innit?
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2012/05/27 06:52:42
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (5/26: Fire Hawk tactical marine)
Necronboy wrote:Interesting to be doing LotD and Fire Hawks at the same time. Because (correct me if I'm wrong) the Legion of the Damned are supposedly the last of the fire hawks.
Interesting, didn't know that. Just coincidence actually... trying to help out a friend.
inmygravenimage wrote:I like your lotd very much; what kind of detailing, if any, is going to be on the breastplate? The sculpt is pretty bare there, so wondered if you're going to add any specific paintjob. Also, like the Fire Hawk - it's strangely satisfying painting outside of your standard run of chapters, innit?
Not much, I want to keep them very spare. I've got an idea for some fluff that I'd like to present when I post the finished figure that will help explain my interpretation of them, but then I'm not much of a writer so we'll see how that goes. I have some brass Imperial Eagles from Forge World. If anything, he'll get one of those.
Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."
(shout out to all you "Fallout: New Vegas" fans out there)
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