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I don't it would have felt as Khornate if it wasn't an axe IMO. Also, I don't mind the kneepads actually, even without straps. However, if they were more curved to fit the knee better or angled at the same angle as the shins, it would look less "tacked on". Nice model either way.

Anvildude wrote:
You know what would be awesome for a Khornate sword, sometime? A completely plain blade. The most basic of basic cruciform swords. But a solid, otherworldly red. (so paint it in a completely different style to the rest of the model)


Because Khorne is the god of battle and war as well as slaughter and blood and skulls, and if you're showing the purest essence of war and combat wouldn't be something covered in fangs and eyeballs, but rather an incredibly archetypical sword that conveys, well, the 'essence' of 'sword'.

So you're saying something practical? Yea that would be cool to see, hell even a WoC army w/ historical armor and just chaos banners and ornamentation on the higher ups. It would make sense with Khorne's love of battle.

Yeah! But just, painted flat red. Maybe do something fancy with the shading to make it look like it isn't shaded? So they look almost like they shouldn't exist on the table.

It'd be hard to do, since we usually focus on realism to a degree, so we'd have to really think out of the box, but it'd be cool af!!!

Praise be! That Angron is looking suitably angry! IDK if I asked this already, but what's up next?

Cheers, for the feedback, guys!

@ Anvildude: While that is certainly an interesting idea, I think it might clash rather horribly with the hyper-detailed GW style of doing models: I totally get your idea, but a completely plain sword on a model this detailed would just seem unfinished, in my opinion. We have to take into account the look and feel GW have built for this universe, and it tells us that the weapons wielded by massive daemons have to be either equally massive and spiky or crazily mutated and disgusting.

The one approach that I could see working would be an upscaled Bloodletter Helblade: relatively simple, yet jagged enough to read as a daemonweapon. I remember Wade Pryce doing an Angron conversion back in the day, using one of the three-up Bloodletter swords, and it worked fabulously -- only that none of us mere mortals would ever get access to that particular bit

On a mostly unrelated note, those remarks about a completely plain sword kinda remind me of the ending of Indiana Jones III; where the correct solution was not to choose the most ostentatious cup but the real holy grail, a comparatively crude and simple carpenter's cup.


The stock Bloodthirster I painted for the ETL got quite a base, with lots of customisation and special effects, which really raised the bar for me and means I will need to come up with something pretty nifty to beat that. There's also the fact that I like the idea of this Angron model not really being locked into the 30k or 40k timeframe, but rather serving as a connecting piece between the 30k and 40k incarnations of my World Eaters: After all, Angron ascended during the mid-Heresy, so he would basically look like this as early as M31, right? And he'd still be looking like this in M41, give or take a few scars and skull trophies

But if I really go through with this, I need a base that would work with both versions of the army -- which is complicated, because my 30k and 40k models use different styles of basing (and consciously so, I might add). So here's that crazy idea I was talking about:

How about I sidestep the issue by not putting Angron on a standard base, but by basing him on this piece of terrain from the Honoured Imperium kit:



Could there be anything more fitting for the bestial might of a Daemon Primarch than standing (well, floating) triumphant on a shattered Imperial aquila of that size? The piece would also have enough space for the missing half of that poor Astartes, plus maybe one or two of his buddies. It could be painted in suitably neutral colours that would work with both versions of my army (although there's not really a 30k army yet, but you get what I mean). And while it would turn my Angron into more of a mini-diorama of sorts, I think the model really warrants the extra bit of oomph. Here's a very primitive mockup:



Of course I do realise that there are quite a few problems about this idea: The terrain piece is quite a bit bigger than the regular base, and also pretty unhandy -- but then, it's not like this guy will be getting huge amounts of game time or anything. And maybe it's just a foolish idea to begin with. So please let me hear your feedback on this matter!

You could always mount a large, thick piece (or two, to keep orientation consistent) of wire into his feet/contact point, and then create two bases - one for each army. The HI piece looks great, but it's also a bit way too big..

Alternately on the HI styled there, smash up an UM rhino or other vehicle with crossover-ish enough markings for both eras and use that as the base!

I think the broken Aquila is ok in size but it'll need more elements added to it so it's more of a diorama than just a base. Few more dead, dying and dismembered U-Smurfs for instance

Broken Aquila should look good as part of the base. Looking forward to seeing the execution.

EDC

Nice looking stuff. You're on the home strsight now!

I’m a little fuzzy on the 30k lore these days, but I thought the Aquila was rare? I know marines for the most part did not wear it. Was it still in use for buildings etc. that would generate rubble big enough for a demon prince to stand on?

While I do thing he would look good on it, the gamer in me would prefer to see something a little more appropriate for table-top use. But the Rule of Cool covers a lot of slack, so he could hit the battlefield on pretty much anything and I’d just roll with it.

I'm all for large architectural rubble as diorama stuff, but for bases I've always liked things that look like they could belong on any table.

For this guy, for example, it would be awesome to have him mounted on a base that makes it look as though he's corrupting the ground where he walks- maybe have like, bloody mud oozing up around his feet and around the edge (in a sort of teardrop to show advancement) with the rest of the base filled with shiny red blood rippling out from the hoofs.

Cheers, guys!

@ Nevelon: It was stated in the older fluff that the Emperor's Children were the only Astartes legion to be allowed to bear the aquila, but if I remember correctly, this has mostly been retconned into the two-headed aquila being free for all to use, while the EC are the only ones (beside the Custodians) to wear the Palatine aquila, that is the one-headed eagle that's the Emperor's personal heraldic device.

And anyway, I think architectural aquila elements are something altogether different, anyway

@ Anvildude: Yeah, but I already did that with my first Bloodthirster, with the ground basically erupting in bloodied bone spikes where his hooves touched the ground, so I think I need something different this time around.

Folks over at the Bolter & Chainsword, particularly Biohazard, provided some excellent ideas regarding the base, suggesting to try and create something resembling the bases from the Horus Heresy character series, were a smaller base will actually slot fairly seamlessly into a larger piece.

Now my first thought was: "Nah, that would be sooo much work!". But then I tried to get my head wrapped around it, and I started actually doing it, and it will be a lot of extra work, but it's also going to look awesome. I hope.

So here's where I am right now, having used my trusty, cheap-o carpet knife from the DIY superstore to carefully saw through that aquila -- at the cost of several small blisters, I might add -- the things we do for true art, eh?





Of course I had to select a slice of the aquila that would make sense if seen on its own, and due to the size of the piece, it was either a full wing or the double head, so I chose to have one complete wing and one head, which I think works pretty well. Here's the base with the pieces taken apart a bit:





If I manage to position the smaller piece on the base exactly like this, both pieces can basically slot together seamlessly (there might be a very small gap between both parts, but I can live with that, especially since the aquila is already looking pretty broken up as is). But what is even better is that I'll end up with a piece that also looks suitably dramatic on its own:





However, this is the moment where the Miliput has to come out, as I will need quite a bit of the stuff to sculpt a new "cliff-face" style of outer wall for the hollow part of the base that shows up rather hideously at the moment:



The truly complicated part will be to make sure the new additions don't mess up the way the two pieces of the aquila fit together, though -- oh boy...

But I think it can be done, and - more importantly - it can be made to look amazing! As for Angron's position on the base, I think he'll be positioned on the tip of the wing, facing towards the centre of the aquila, as everything else would just kind of defeat the whole exercise. I've made a shoddy Photoshop mockup:



This also means that the smaller base only really has room for the lower half of that unfortunate Ultramarine -- however, I am free to add one or two additional Astartes on the big aquila piece, showing their last stand against Angron.

As always, let me know what you think!

Wow. Awesome.

Have you thought about some sort of duel? Use the other wing of the base for someone else? An equal, not just some Ultras getting ready for revenge.

But what would be big enough? Venerable Dread? Imperial Knight? Warboss?

Anvildude wrote:
But what would be big enough? Venerable Dread? Imperial Knight? Warboss?

Why not just a Captain (or even the now-dead Ultra's next-in-line) with massive brass balls?

Nice. Just half the aquila on the base works much better.

EDC

Definitely need something on the other side of the Aquilla. Maybe even just as a diorama, where Big Red can slot in, ala the FW Primarchs. Maybe the rest of the UM Squad and a Contemptor or something.

Some great food for thought, guys! Just to avoid disappointment, though: Keep in mind that the objective here is to base Angron (who is and will remain the undisputed star of the show) and not to build a massively awesome FW-style duel scene, especially with an enemy of equal footing with Angron. Some poor Ultramarines? Sure. But certainly not Dreadnought or Primarch. Sorry

 KrautScientist wrote:
Some great food for thought, guys! Just to avoid disappointment, though: Keep in mind that the objective here is to base Angron (who is and will remain the undisputed star of the show) and not to build a massively awesome FW-style duel scene, especially with an enemy of equal footing with Angron. Some poor Ultramarines? Sure. But certainly not Dreadnought or Primarch. Sorry

You implying that “some poor Ultramarines” are not match for a demon primarch?

You should have two Ultras, preferable behind some sort of cover. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...

(would work better with ravenguard)

Perhaps a squad of brave marines led by a glorious captain with his sword held high? Overall, Well done on Angron and i'm ready for more!

How about a Chrono-Gladiator? It would add an element of irony and be slightly cruel for old Angron in a way, killing a fellow gladiator.

Or maybe just a regular Guardsman or Imperial Preacher, eyes closed, holding up an Aquilla.

A few Ultramarine and human corpses/body parts to tie it all together, would give the impression that Angron has just charged into some giant defence line, with the Ultras going down first as they were naturally at the front, just leaving some poor schmuck at the back as the last to go. It would be a good metaphor perhaps: the Aquilla crushed under hoof, Mankind's best defenders ripped apart without effort and a lowly human left alone to face the might of the daemon primarch.

Cheers, guys!

Regarding Daemon Primarch Angron's base, there are basically two factors that need to be taken into consideration: One, whatever gets put on there must not overshadow the Primarch himself, which is why a bigger squad of models (or something bigger, like a Dreadnought or another Primarch or what have you) is not going to happen. Two, what I really like about the model so far is how it theoretically works as both a 30k and 40k representation of Angron in his ascended form (and I have carefully chosen the armour parts for the poor Ultramarine held in his grasp so they could work for both 30k and 40k as well). The flipside of this that I cannot use anything that would clearly "date" the model (so no Guardsmen and/or Solar Auxilia, and no Imperial Preacher either). Right now, I think that two or three additional Ultramarines, probably fallen, sound like a good plan, but we will see.

I am putting off the base until later this week when I'll finally be getting access to some mulliput, courtesy of my friend Annie. Until then, I really needed to do something less involved, so I finally made some slight touchups and adjustments to some of my 30k World Eaters.

So first up are some guys that you might already have seen a while back, a Plasma Gunner and Triarius for my slowly growing collection of tactical veterans:



The Plasma Gunner remains unchanged, but I've tweaked the helmet on the Triarius and like him much better now.

I've also finally managed to put the finishing touches on my 30k WE Contemptor, and I am really happy with the finished model:



Quite a bit of cleanup on this guy, including the drilling of barrels and exhausts. Plus I finally sorted out that brutal looking Iron Halo around his head cavity. And maybe my favourite small addition to the model: The stubby fingers of the BaC plastic Dread were carefully lenghtened using fingers from a 40k Furioso Dreadnought:



I also had to convert a new character. Now here's Huntmaster Bardolf, one of the first Huntmasters I originally built for Khorne's Eternal Hunt:



He was one of the first more involved conversions I did after getting back into the hobby a couple of years back, and while the conversion does show its age a bit, I am still enormously fond of this guy, mostly because he was my go-to Chaos Lord in all those smallish 500 and 750 points games when I re-learned 40k. As a consequence, his various victories and losses really turned him into a character rather than a mere playing piece, and helped me to figure out what I wanted Khorne's Eternal Hunt to feel like. So I thought it would be fun to build a younger, uncorrupted version of Bardolf, from his time as a fresh-faced veteran sergeant during the Heresy:



The idea here was to take several elements from the 40k model (the pose, the weapons, and a couple of bitz) and incorporate them into the 30k version as well, while still making him seem like a more restrained 30k character (and also a sergeant and not yet a powerful commander type):



And since even the World Eaters still occasionally used slightly more conservative Astartes warfare tactics back then, I also made sure to add a standard bolter in addition to the axes



I am pretty happy with the finished model, and here's a comparison shot showing Bardolf now and then:



And in a really neat development, a recent bitz drop from fellow hobbyist Helega has finally allowed me to replace the missing cape on my Forgeworld Angron:









A slightly tweaked version of the chain cape from the WFB Chaos Lord on Manticore seems like a pretty ideal replacement for Angron’s standard cape — the conversion isn’t quite finished yet, but I do think I am on the right track.

In closing, I thought it might be fun to take some pictures of all the 30k World Eaters I have assembled so far. I was a bit disquieted, however, by the fact that something that I keep insisting won't turn into an army has begun to look suspiciously like...an army:





And here's a closer look at the various officers so far:



From left to right, Tech-Marine Deracin, Lord Captain Baltus Lorimar, Primarch Angron (DUH!), an as-of-yet unnamed Praetor and Primus Medicae Dumah.

As always, let me know what you think!

Congrats mate! You've come a long way since your first page. These models are really awesome.

The 30K force looks lovely.

Where are the head/helmet of the pasma gunner and Triarius from?

OOO where is that chain cape from?

i could totally use that for my alpha legion dude.

edit: failed to read the bottom of that post

nvm it looks awesome

double edit: gak its not available :/

Ugh the chain cloak is awesome!

I was a bit disquieted, however, by the fact that something that I keep insisting won't turn into an army has begun to look suspiciously like...an army:

I laughed a little too much at that... Been there myself

Angron is terrifyingly awesome

Meh, It’s just a collection of butchers and killers. If you want a group that fights as a cohesive army, stop tearing the Ultramarines in half.

(Sorry, I need to get a few loyalist shots in from time to time, otherwise the chaplain gives me dirty looks for spending my time posting in heretical threads)

 Desubot wrote:
OOO where is that chain cape from?

i could totally use that for my alpha legion dude.

edit: failed to read the bottom of that post

nvm it looks awesome

double edit: gak its not available :/

CHAOS LORD/SORCERER CHAIN CLOAK (ON MANTICORE)
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Lord-on-Manticore-2016

Great work on the new stuff.