Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**Bonde**

The only good thing about these new price increases is that I can justify buying more Forge World models. Good thing I already have an Ork and a IG army.

**GTKA666**

Mkvenner wrote:
GTKA666 wrote:
anyone have a link as to where some one leaked all of the psychic powers and not just a few?

Uh where was this?

idk hence the question mark, symbolizing a question.

**Agamemnon2**

resipsa wrote:
[As for surrealism, we are talking about a game using toy soldiers where the story is set in dystopian future where aliens, 1984, a clockwork Orange, animal farm and the bible all have a grand literature orgy, with a dash of space Hitler Schiavo bad genetic pulp fiction, soccer hooligans, prince and his band and their bdsm cousins and plot armor dude. But screw it, let's be realists!!

Yes, we should be realists about some things. Verisimilitude is the spine running through all fiction, no matter how outlandish. Handwaving everthing away with "magic" or "advanced technology" is the sign of the worst kind of infantile minds. For all its supposed boons, science fiction has severely dulled the minds of its adherents if they honestly think this is what passes for intellectual rigor.

**Mkvenner**

GTKA666 wrote:
Mkvenner wrote:
GTKA666 wrote:
anyone have a link as to where some one leaked all of the psychic powers and not just a few?

Uh where was this?

idk hence the question mark, symbolizing a question.

Erm if you mean the big mashup of text that details the primaris powers you are not missing much. Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am interest has been piqued. (:

**Puscifer**

timd wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:

Special rules: FNP, will not die, fear, hatred: everyone, wrath of khaine, wrath of the titans, wrath of the gods, deamon, eternal warrior.

Wrath of Khan would be better...

**GTKA666**

I was simply wondering if anyone had come across the entire listing. I don't know if one actually exists.

One note of interest though from Kirby:

THE KINGHT IS HEAVY SUPPPORT!!!! Choose your allegiance to the lord or the Knight now!

**ergotoxin**

Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Since the current trend is a big thing and flyers. What are they going to do with marines and orks I wonder. We already have our flyers orks have 3 marines have 2.

Thunderhawk and squiggoth I am guessing.

Maybe they will simply make rules for Stompa in regular Codex: Orks.

**Darge**

Anyone else want to buy 4 Wraith Knights(at a discounter of course) and make a Fire Gale out of one kit and take the other three to make a Heavy Destoyer and Bright Stallion?

**supreme overlord**

$115 for ONE model. Pure Insanity.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

If I had unlimited cash I'd quite fancy a go at kit bashing a bright stallion out of a couple

but the price says otherwise

**wuestenfux**

Darge wrote:
Anyone else want to buy 4 Wraith Knights(at a discounter of course) and make a Fire Gale out of one kit and take the other three to make a Heavy Destoyer and Bright Stallion?

Not sure if the conversion would make sense. But 3 Wraithknights as HS for an Eldar army could make sense. Not sure about their damage output.

**Redemption**

wuestenfux wrote:
Not sure if the conversion would make sense. But 3 Wraithknights as HS for an Eldar army could make sense. Not sure about their damage output.

Seeing as the Wraithknight is said to be in the 250-350 point range, using 3 in one army list will probably mean you've just put half your army's points in 3 models - I doubt that will be very succesful.

**Mime**

Powerguy wrote:
Mime wrote:
Ktulhut wrote:
I actually really like all the new stuff. Too bad for GW that they've priced me out of their market, I would have bought all of this a year ago. Same for (most of) the Tau release.

Snap.

The other pictures of the WK make it look alot beter than the first leak, but if the rumored price is correct that will be about $200, no way that will make the budget.

As much as I like the fliers, even with with the weapon pods, I can't see me stomaching the mark up, to acuataly buy one.

I will just need to hang on till all the impulse buyers start flicking them on ebay, patience is needed.

I can confirm that the NZ RRP for the Wraithknight is $150, the same price point as the Baneblade (I imagine this will be the same price point for all countries).

To those complaining about prices, the only thing that is out of the ordinary for this Eldar release specifically is the Dire Avengers repack. That is a total scam akin to the stupid pricing that is killing WHFB (i.e boxes that don't actually have enough models to make a meaningful unit) and because existing players already have enough Avengers so it hurts newer players more. Yes GW prices are crazy and I have no issue with people being annoyed about them in general but the Wraithknight is practically a superheavy walker in terms of size so its not really surprising that it is priced the same as the existing GW superheavy. Similarly all the 6th edition limited edition codicies have been twice the price of the normal codex, so that shouldn't be a surprise. Wraithguard/Wraithblades are actually very well priced at $60(NZ) considering its a full dual kit of 40mm base heavy infantry that appear to be taller than Terminators.

Hmm the NZ GW site has the Baneblade at $195NZ, not $150. So if the pricepoint is the same then yes about $200 was close.

If, and I mean IF, the Wraith Guard/Blades come in at $60NZ tthen yes that would be good value. Personally I think they will be more though.

**GTKA666**

Redemption wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
Not sure if the conversion would make sense. But 3 Wraithknights as HS for an Eldar army could make sense. Not sure about their damage output.
Seeing as the Wraithknight is said to be in the 250-350 point range, using 3 in one army list will probably mean you've just put half your army's points in 3 models - I doubt that will be very succesful.

depending on what it does.

**slice'n'dice**

Hmm, looks like the Nightshade can be piloted by a Crimson Hunter Exarch. Two bright lances and a Pulsar laser at BS5 - Yes please!

**wuestenfux**

Redemption wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
Not sure if the conversion would make sense. But 3 Wraithknights as HS for an Eldar army could make sense. Not sure about their damage output.
Seeing as the Wraithknight is said to be in the 250-350 point range, using 3 in one army list will probably mean you've just put half your army's points in 3 models - I doubt that will be very succesful.

Yeah. On the other hand, I want to run my beloved Warwalkers, one or two units of three, which will remain (I guess) in the HS section.

**Goobi2**

slice'n'dice wrote:
Hmm, looks like the Nightshade can be piloted by a Crimson Hunter Exarch. Two bright lances and a Pulsar laser at BS5 - Yes please!

Indeed, but then again you can also switch out the Exarch's lances for Starcannons which should give you eight BS5 AP2 shots. (Assuming the rumors of the Starcannon getting its 3rd shot back are correct.)

**Darge**

wuestenfux wrote:
Darge wrote:
Anyone else want to buy 4 Wraith Knights(at a discounter of course) and make a Fire Gale out of one kit and take the other three to make a Heavy Destoyer and Bright Stallion?

Not sure if the conversion would make sense. But 3 Wraithknights as HS for an Eldar army could make sense. Not sure about their damage output.

I guess I meant in more of a modeling sense, not exactly intending to win tourneys or anything.

The main problem i see would be the stallion as it would be difficult to get it to fit on the base, but prolly outfit is with the lance gun and shield to give it that mounted knight look and since its a mc it will count as have smash and such for melee.

The heavy destoyer would require some melding of two chest pieces and remove the shoulder mounted weapons to place them on on the second set of arms, possibly using all the big weapons on the arms and saying 2 count as normal eldar heavy weapons, and maybe using some green stuff to bulk the model out a little bit.

The fire gale would be easy enough I believe, might go as far as reverse jointing the legs but well see.

Doubt I'd ever pny up the $400-$500 to do all that but im sure we'll see some great conversions.

**Redemption**

Kirby verified both the Wraithlord and Wraithknight are Heavy Support at least. I wonder if Wraithlords can be taken in units like Tyranid Carnifexes now, that'd be fun.

**wuestenfux**

Redemption wrote:
Kirby verified both the Wraithlord and Wraithknight are Heavy Support at least. I wonder if Wraithlords can be taken in units like Tyranid Carnifexes now, that'd be fun.

So I guess we'll get an overcrowded HS section, with Wraithknights, Wraithlords, Warwalkers, and tanks like Falcons and Fire Prisms.

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

Yes but it does mean all those new shiny op toys that GW wants you to buy don't compete with each other and only invalidate those silly old models you never wante to use again anyway. Exactly as planned. ;-)

**Powerguy**

Mime wrote:
Powerguy wrote:
Mime wrote:
Ktulhut wrote:
I actually really like all the new stuff. Too bad for GW that they've priced me out of their market, I would have bought all of this a year ago. Same for (most of) the Tau release.

Snap.

The other pictures of the WK make it look alot beter than the first leak, but if the rumored price is correct that will be about $200, no way that will make the budget.

As much as I like the fliers, even with with the weapon pods, I can't see me stomaching the mark up, to acuataly buy one.

I will just need to hang on till all the impulse buyers start flicking them on ebay, patience is needed.

I can confirm that the NZ RRP for the Wraithknight is $150, the same price point as the Baneblade (I imagine this will be the same price point for all countries).

To those complaining about prices, the only thing that is out of the ordinary for this Eldar release specifically is the Dire Avengers repack. That is a total scam akin to the stupid pricing that is killing WHFB (i.e boxes that don't actually have enough models to make a meaningful unit) and because existing players already have enough Avengers so it hurts newer players more. Yes GW prices are crazy and I have no issue with people being annoyed about them in general but the Wraithknight is practically a superheavy walker in terms of size so its not really surprising that it is priced the same as the existing GW superheavy. Similarly all the 6th edition limited edition codicies have been twice the price of the normal codex, so that shouldn't be a surprise. Wraithguard/Wraithblades are actually very well priced at $60(NZ) considering its a full dual kit of 40mm base heavy infantry that appear to be taller than Terminators.

Hmm the NZ GW site has the Baneblade at $195NZ, not $150. So if the pricepoint is the same then yes about $200 was close.

If, and I mean IF, the Wraith Guard/Blades come in at $60NZ tthen yes that would be good value. Personally I think they will be more though.

Sorry, my local gaming store has the Baneblade for $150 NZ (I was looked around to see if there was anything else at that price point) which is apparently well below GW RRP. But yeah I've seen the White Dwarf, the Wraithknight is definitely $150, Guard $60. I might have somehow read the Australian prices, which are normally 1 price bracket lower than the NZ ones, but even they still wouldn't be $200.

@GTKA666. Unless someone actually gets their hands on the codex or psychic power cards you aren't going to get the full list for a while yet. The best reliable source we have at is the White Dwarf (officially released next weekend), which has 4 of the new cards on display (and readable if you have good eyes), the Primaris and the '1' result for both the Battle and Fate tables. I posted the details a few pages back. The Farseer in the battle report also had Fortune and Doom, which appeared to have more or less the same effects, but no idea what tables they are on etc.

**wuestenfux**

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Yes but it does mean all those new shiny op toys that GW wants you to buy don't compete with each other and only invalidate those silly old models you never wante to use again anyway. Exactly as planned. ;-)

Wait, Warwalkers with scatterlasers (or starcannons if they get 3 shoots) are still viable.

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

I can see three war walkers with star cannons costing roughly the same as a wraithknight with 6 str6 ap2 shots and 6 str6 ap2 blasts at a better bs. Also assuming war walkers are not going to be twin-linked with two of the same weapons, another possible change.

**Capamaru**

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I can see three war walkers with star cannons costing roughly the same as a wraithknight with 6 str6 ap2 shots and 6 str6 ap2 blasts at a better bs. Also assuming war walkers are not going to be twin-linked with two of the same weapons, another possible change.

It is all but obvious that a model costing 250+ points and 115$ will be strongish

. Also I believe that dire avengers will get a buff since their price got doubled

. GW game rule logic is really simple.
Buff on rules = price increase on models.
Lot's of stocked models = Buff on rules
Nerf = price remains the same
New models = price increase

There you go do the math

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

This 5 Dire Avengers for 22 pounds situation could be the straw that breaks the proverbial back.

As I said earlier, 22 pounds can get you a 2 litre bottle of vodka and a fish supper = fun lunch

Booze or 5 bits of plastic? hmmm

**Puscifer**

wuestenfux wrote:
Redemption wrote:
Kirby verified both the Wraithlord and Wraithknight are Heavy Support at least. I wonder if Wraithlords can be taken in units like Tyranid Carnifexes now, that'd be fun.

So I guess we'll get an overcrowded HS section, with Wraithknights, Wraithlords, Warwalkers, and tanks like Falcons and Fire Prisms.

I can see Falcons becoming dedicated. They should have been in the first place.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
This 5 Dire Avengers for 22 pounds situation could be the straw that breaks the proverbial back.

As I said earlier, 22 pounds can get you a 2 litre bottle of vodka and a fish supper = fun lunch

Booze or 5 bits of plastic? hmmm

Where is this price confirmed or is it still just rumour?

**rohansoldier**

I still plan to buy the majority of the new models in this release to add to my 4000pts of eldar but I will be doing it via an online distributor.

Sorry GW, but why would I pay your prices when I can get 20% discount and free P&P?

**Redemption**

wuestenfux wrote:
Redemption wrote:
Kirby verified both the Wraithlord and Wraithknight are Heavy Support at least. I wonder if Wraithlords can be taken in units like Tyranid Carnifexes now, that'd be fun.

So I guess we'll get an overcrowded HS section, with Wraithknights, Wraithlords, Warwalkers, and tanks like Falcons and Fire Prisms.

There's plenty of stuff we don't know yet, so I wouldn't spend to much time worrying. For example, it might be possible for War Walkers to move to Fast Attack like IG Sentinels, Falcons to become dedicated transports or Fire Prisms coming in units.