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Ah, thanks Wes! I wish I had the opportunity to look through Jes' sketches and pick his mind.

But I must say, that conversion actually reinforces the point that the badly photoshopped Crimson Hunter could 'just' be another sighting of the Void Raven. Double cockpit, 4 engines, sickle wings - the only prominent feature that's missing would be the forked nose. At least it makes more sense for the Void Raven to be released than a 3rd Eldar flyer shortly after their new codex.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

Was I smoking crack when every single 6th edition codex had all its info leaked well before publication then?

Apparently, because it didn't happen. The best we got was reverse-engineering some rules and stats from WD battle reports a few days before preorders went up.

Compare this to seeing a full scan of each codex a month in advance, which was the norm 5-6 years ago.

Yes it did. We knew about most of the details in the Eldar, Tau, Chaos and Dark Angel codexes weeks before they were released.

We knew loads of details, yes. But most of them were wrong, which kinda doesn't count in my book.

 BryllCream wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

Was I smoking crack when every single 6th edition codex had all its info leaked well before publication then?

Apparently, because it didn't happen. The best we got was reverse-engineering some rules and stats from WD battle reports a few days before preorders went up.

Compare this to seeing a full scan of each codex a month in advance, which was the norm 5-6 years ago.

Yes it did. We knew about most of the details in the Eldar, Tau, Chaos and Dark Angel codexes weeks before they were released.

To somewhat echo blackfang here, the details might have all been out there, but that was more a function of how much nonsense was thrown at the wall that eventually every reasonable possibility was covered. The signal:noise ratio on codexes was/is horrifically bad until about a week before the codex is released, and even then the discussion can be filled with garbage until the codex is actually in people's hands.

That said, you're probably not seeing that much in the way of rumors because it's not a codex where you can extrapolate likely courses of action from previous editions and other products. As a rules expansion, there's too many things they can do which makes "rumormongers" scared to make predictions, leaving you with people who actually have sources. Since those sources are exceedingly rare due to GW's internal security policies, you get the situation we have with this.

 BryllCream wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

Was I smoking crack when every single 6th edition codex had all its info leaked well before publication then?

Apparently, because it didn't happen. The best we got was reverse-engineering some rules and stats from WD battle reports a few days before preorders went up.

Compare this to seeing a full scan of each codex a month in advance, which was the norm 5-6 years ago.

Yes it did. We knew about most of the details in the Eldar, Tau, Chaos and Dark Angel codexes weeks before they were released.

No, we knew a lot of information, some of which was right, some wrong, and some hilariously wrong.

Compared to getting actuasl SCANNED CODEXES just a year or so ago they have completely tightened their leak mill. Hell, this is the earliest we have a pictuer of WD for a long time.

Still nothing? I wanna see this eldar super heavy. Fingers crossed for a plastic scorpion!

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
Still nothing? I wanna see this eldar super heavy. Fingers crossed for a plastic scorpion!

[westly]Get used to disappointment.[/westley]

Best_Pone over at Warseer wrote:Has anyone mentioned the company masters yet? Marine players are getting some more of the company masters. I believe they're the masters of the reserve companies.

If that is the current level of creative thinking at GW then I can hear someone, somewhere scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Or that's not all Marines are getting. But don't let logic spoil your argument.

Doesn't quite seem like scraping of the barrel to me. Total lack of originality, sure. "Sell the finecast as a set in shops. Despite people only needing 1 in normal games, if it's the exact loadout they want. We don't actually need to do anything except make a new box."

In other words, typical Apocalypse planning from GW. Plus, most people haven't heard of them so if they put them in an actual box, people will think they're new.

UltraPrime wrote:
Or that's not all Marines are getting. But don't let logic spoil your argument.

Can you show me where I state that is all they will get? Or even confirm that they are indeed getting the rumoured product? You will notice I started my statement of opinion with "if". If that is all they get for the release would you be pleased with that level of "creativity"?

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:
Or that's not all Marines are getting. But don't let logic spoil your argument.

Can you show me where I state that is all they will get? Or even confirm that they are indeed getting the rumoured product? You will notice I started my statement of opinion with "if". If that is all they get for the release would you be pleased with that level of "creativity"?

I heard they are getting a new handle for their boltpistols.... It has a small skull as the trigger.

I suppose we always have moar skulls to look forward to lol

Never understood why it's okay to troll in these rumour threads. believe it or not some people are actually interested.

 BryllCream wrote:
Never understood why it's okay to troll in these rumour threads. believe it or not some people are actually interested.

Because its fun. And its something to do until we get ACTUAL news.

I don't think he really knows what trolling is.

Trolling is this...



Hey guys, I heard a rumor that Apocalypse isn't being redone till October!

Poor trolling, but trolling all the same... (I think)

 Kroothawk wrote:

Best_Pone over at Warseer wrote:Has anyone mentioned the company masters yet? Marine players are getting some more of the company masters. I believe they're the masters of the reserve companies.

Can't wait.

Next time, at ApoC III , we get the Masters of companies 10....... - 12..... right?

The original company masters had the 10th Company Master. I mean, they're kinda scraping the barrel if they're trying to find roles for the others.

What have we got so far:

Master of the Watch (2nd Company)
Master of the Arsenal (3rd Company)
Master of the Fleet (4th Company)
Master of Recruits (10th Company)

What remains:

Master of the Marches (5th Company). How does that translate into game play? The master of the borders?

Master of the Rites (6th Company). How does that translate into game play?

Chief Victualler (7th Company)? So... the guy in charge of the food. How would that work in-game?

And the 8th and 9th Company don't even have listed titles. Then again maybe when they're including Masters of the Chapter they'll include the other group masters, like the Master of the Forge and the Master of the Apothecarion. I'd like minis for those.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think he really knows what trolling is.

You're right, I meant spamming. Spam is, presumably, still against the rules.

Logistical officers are important in any army. The Chief Victualler is crucial to understanding the role of the reserve companies in a prolonged campaign setting.

 Redbeard wrote:
Logistical officers are important in any army. The Chief Victualler is crucial to understanding the role of the reserve companies in a prolonged campaign setting.

How could you represent that in table-top? Bonus to reserve rolls or something?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Master of the Rites (6th Company). How does that translate into game play?

Chief Victualler (7th Company)? So... the guy in charge of the food. How would that work in-game?

And the 8th and 9th Company don't even have listed titles. Then again maybe when they're including Masters of the Chapter they'll include the other group masters, like the Master of the Forge and the Master of the Apothecarion. I'd like minis for those.

The 6th Blesses the Meal and the 7th gives the bonus "Well Fed" allowing you to nap through one of the enemies turns suffering no ill effects.

Depends on the Codex.

For BA:

3rd is Master of Sacrifice - ? inflict wound on self for +1 to Emo for remainder of game
7th is Marches and 5th is Arsenal
8th is Master of Skyfall - So either something Assault Squad related or he streams James Bond movies in battle
9th is Master of Sieges

Their "Master of the Fleet" (a.k.a. Keeper of the Heavengate) also resides above the 10 company Masters.

Bonus dinner rolls?

Chief apothecary with a royal court like unit of apothecaries that could be spread amongst other units would be a lot more useful than having the Swedish chef in power armour running around the place.

 BryllCream wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think he really knows what trolling is.

You're right, I meant spamming. Spam is, presumably, still against the rules.

It's not spamming either; they are expressing their negative opinions of GW's design choices through humor. If you don't share that opinion you might not find it funny, but that doesn't change what it is (much like their humor doesn't change GW designs).

People are allowed to do it because it's discussion. People do it more in GW threads than other companies because GW has done much to anger the market. Still, as an example H.B.M.C came to the DeadZone thread to pronounce the early marauders were terrible and that was more or less it in that particular post. Was he trolling? Was he spamming? No, he was offering his viewpoint as a consumer on a product being offered for sale. That it happened to be negative is the fault of the company more (they made it, after all), and after enough people made similar observations adjustments were made that placated some of those with complaints.

Even appeasing "some" is more than GW attempts to do, which in large part goes back to "why are there so many in GW threads?"

 Redbeard wrote:
Logistical officers are important in any army. The Chief Victualler is crucial to understanding the role of the reserve companies in a prolonged campaign setting.

Yes but as far as in-game benefits? Stratagems perhaps, but the ones that would have the largest immediate effect are kinda already covered.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The original company masters had the 10th Company Master. I mean, they're kinda scraping the barrel if they're trying to find roles for the others.

What have we got so far:

Master of the Watch (2nd Company)
Master of the Arsenal (3rd Company)
Master of the Fleet (4th Company)
Master of Recruits (10th Company)

What remains:

Master of the Marches (5th Company). How does that translate into game play? The master of the borders?

Master of the Rites (6th Company). How does that translate into game play?

Chief Victualler (7th Company)? So... the guy in charge of the food. How would that work in-game?

And the 8th and 9th Company don't even have listed titles. Then again maybe when they're including Masters of the Chapter they'll include the other group masters, like the Master of the Forge and the Master of the Apothecarion. I'd like minis for those.

Marches sounds like a mobility boost- outflank/scout of some sort.
Rites could tie into banners and relics easily.

Chief Victualler could easily be something like a feel no pain save duo to his amazing cooking skills... Or something along the lines of "combat drugs" in the dinner rolls.

 Redbeard wrote:
Logistical officers are important in any army. The Chief Victualler is crucial to understanding the role of the reserve companies in a prolonged campaign setting.

Yup.

It's important to remember that the term "victualler" referred to an individual who was in charge of supplying not just food but also medicine, beverages, and other provisions that a ship would need on a lengthy journey.

I could see something like the Chief Victualler allowing for the effects of Combat Drugs.