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Kangodo wrote:

 tarnish wrote:
You would be surprised how much money teenagers can manipulate out of their grown-ups....

Is that a new trend on the internet: "I don't like it, therefore it's marketed towards 14 year old kids!" ?

No

Picked up the new WD on my lunch break today. I'm more and more impressed with the Lord of Skulls with each new look at it.

In saying that; I think that it looks awful in red, but the bronze/brass one looks awesome. I think MGS's predictions of the second coming of the "Red Age" are correct... may it be swift and quickly forgotten.

I'm surprised the Lord of Skulls is only AV 11 at the back, expected it to be a smidge tougher... then again it does have 9 HP.

Now that i'm seeing design consistency I'm actually more sold on the previous chaos releases. I kind of wish they'd done a Forgefiend formation...

Now I have seen the sides of the khornmower and the depth of the model I sort of like it too. I see what people mean by it looking too humaniod. I think it would be best to get two things out of the kit. Give the lord himself legs (go more humaniod). Take off all the tracks and build something like a chaos baneblade.

Hey if GW says anyone can field the super heavies i'm guessing this means chaos too.

Heck if you have some of the left over guns from the shadowsword kit lying around with some good plasticard work that would probably do the trick.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Picked up the new WD on my lunch break today. I'm more and more impressed with the Lord of Skulls with each new look at it.

I'm surprised the Lord of Skulls is only AV 11 at the back, expected it to be a smidge tougher... then again it does have 9 HP.

Now that i'm seeing design consistency I'm actually more sold on the previous chaos releases. I kind of wish they'd done a Forgefiend formation...

I think that it looks awful in red, but the bronze/brass one looks awesome. I think MGS's predictions of the second coming of the "Red Age" are correct... may it be swift and quickly forgotten.

It's apoc, just make your own data sheet for it.

Sigmundr wrote:
You can actually make out the whole damn sheet. Also, other things still have strength D, like that Predator squadron when all their lascannons hit (presumably they are counting just the turrets).

Not sure how this exactly works yet, but battle report mentioned it being Strength D if all the lascannons hit.

Rules leaked from the IOS preview copies of books

Scoring is done based on the number of strategic objectives controlled each break and at the end of the battle.

Formation:
Ripctide Wing: 3+ Riptides gains Coordinated Attacks and Networked Reactors

Transcendent C'Tan (no rules listed)

WraithKnight Dreamwalker Squad: 3-5 Wraithknights. Gains Dreamwalk (fluff mentions faster response times)

Baneblade: 525 pts (with no sponsons), can take 2 sets of sponsons for 50pts a pair (lost option for flamer sponsons and option for extra armor), commisar tank upgrade for 45pts, and command tank upgrade for 200pts. HK/Stubber/SB all as guard codex


Asset:
Crusade Banner: Pick a Marine standard bearer, all marine units with models within 24" gain FNP

Camouflage: any army. Pick a friendly HQ unit. Friendly units within 24" of that model have shrouded the first turn of the game

Blind Barrage: The same

+200 pts for a Baneblade command tank?! Damn, it had better be a good one as the previous incarnation was a 25pt upgrade.

If this had been a wicked nurgle daemon engine spilling his guts out into the tracks with a dozen nurglings dancing all over it and rot flies buzzing around it would have been insanely awesome. A khorne super heavy should be a brass scorpion or tower of skulls. Not this mega zord. Seriously, the necrons get zordon and just how many power rangers to you need to form the khorne zord? If it were remote controlled with button activated lights and sounds, I would buy this for $160. Games workshop can sit on this one. O and BTW, had I known apocalypse was coming, I might have put some $ aside for it. Sorry, gw , this $ is going to a reasonably priced pass time; ps4. Its silhouette looks so much like the old krang toy from playmates teenage mutant ninjas (hero) turtles. I want to convert it into a rock 'em sock 'em robot and then sock it with my own powerfist equipped hand. It is carp and completely missed opportunity to show the world of mini gaming that you have the best ip on earth by releasing a mind blowing super heavy daemon engine. A newly imagined Lord of battle in the form of a massive mechanical bloodthirster. I would even be happier with another dinobot, perhaps the classic two headed chaos dragon. Its axe doesn't even reach the ground. I can just imagine it trying to hit anything in assault. Ridiculous. It should be a scythe if anything or a massive long sword. I don't know why I am getting so heated over a model kit that I am not going to buy. I would like to say that i expect more from this company, but these days....let's just say that i know they can do better and I want their best. You never can please everyone, however.

 Keepsy wrote:
On the subject of Lord of Skulls Bashing, anyone remeber Robot Wars?

Totally...Sgt. Bash! It's horrible

 BrookM wrote:
+200 pts for a Baneblade command tank?! Damn, it had better be a good one as the previous incarnation was a 25pt upgrade.

Maybe that turns it into the fortress of arrogance and included Yarrick?

 warboss wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
+200 pts for a Baneblade command tank?! Damn, it had better be a good one as the previous incarnation was a 25pt upgrade.

Maybe that turns it into the fortress of arrogance and included Yarrick?

Nah, that one is an entry onto its own.

It had better bring with it a BS upgrade and some serious buffs dagnabbit.

 BrookM wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
+200 pts for a Baneblade command tank?! Damn, it had better be a good one as the previous incarnation was a 25pt upgrade.

Maybe that turns it into the fortress of arrogance and included Yarrick?

Nah, that one is an entry onto its own.

It had better bring with it a BS upgrade and some serious buffs dagnabbit.

Or is 20pts and a typo?

 tarnish wrote:
Consider market research guys. The Lord of Skulls is obviously aimed at the 14 years and younger audience. Grumpy old wargamers like us aren´t the majority of customers and Apocalypse models are tailormade for the impulse buyers. Most sensible players would stay clear of these as you aren´t likely to get many games with them.

Well I've never seen teenagers play Apocalypse but I've seen many an older gamer play it. Notice how the "Veterans" have like 5 armies at usually over 2000k? An $160 is still way in the impulse buy range hate to say it. Apocalypse is tailor made for the grumpy old wargamer that goes to the internet to bash (pretend to be cool) something then buy it and display it on Dakka Dakka 4 months later when nobody remembers what they said.

Most sensible players will get what ever makes them happy and fits their individual budget. $160 is not a bad price for hours of assembling and painting and 3 five hour games a year. Or in my group easily an Apocalypse game when ever one is called for (and we have a grumpy old gamer that has been playing for 20+ years and not only doesn't complain about prices but loves the "retro" look).

 azreal13 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
+200 pts for a Baneblade command tank?! Damn, it had better be a good one as the previous incarnation was a 25pt upgrade.

Maybe that turns it into the fortress of arrogance and included Yarrick?

Nah, that one is an entry onto its own.

It had better bring with it a BS upgrade and some serious buffs dagnabbit.

Or is 20pts and a typo?

That would be grand.

Just a note for all iPad users out there; the link on the GW website cunningly takes you to the store page for Apocalypse PLUS painting guides, which is £5 more.

The straight rule book is on the iBooks store fore the same price as the hard copy (actually a penny less, but who's counting)

 Jadenim wrote:
Just a note for all iPad users out there; the link on the GW website cunningly takes you to the store page for Apocalypse PLUS painting guides, which is £5 more.

The straight rule book is on the iBooks store fore the same price as the hard copy (actually a penny less, but who's counting)

If you're navigating to the US store.

The book is $5 less and the deal is $6 less.

Did anyone else notice that the new Templates are snap-together? It appears that, for the flamer template at least, you can snap off the end and use it as a standard flamer template, or snap the end back on and use it as a Hellstorm template. I'm rather liking this approach that GW has chosen to take!

 Enigwolf wrote:
Did anyone else notice that the new Templates are snap-together? It appears that, for the flamer template at least, you can snap off the end and use it as a standard flamer template, or snap the end back on and use it as a Hellstorm template. I'm rather liking this approach that GW has chosen to take!

You'll probably like it a lot less when the snaps get worn out and loose and you have to buy a new set. IMO just make proper single-piece templates.

 Enigwolf wrote:
Did anyone else notice that the new Templates are snap-together? It appears that, for the flamer template at least, you can snap off the end and use it as a standard flamer template, or snap the end back on and use it as a Hellstorm template. I'm rather liking this approach that GW has chosen to take!

Didn't the old helstorm template have a normal flamer indicator on it? I remember being able to use the hellstorm template as a normal flamer.

I'd like it more if GW pushed encouraged the hobby aspect instead of shoving terrain sets and RoB parts.

I, for one, love the Lord of Skulls. Yes, it's ridiculous, but it's a b=nice throwback to some of the earlier artwork and designs. It has a very Rogue Trader feel to it, and I like that.

The Necron thing is cool too. I kinda wish the Obelisk looked like more than just a closed Tesseract Vault though.

Terrain is as usual brilliant. Seeing as I'm planning on having a Chaos army, I'm rubbing my hands with glee at the possibilities for desecration.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
Did anyone else notice that the new Templates are snap-together? It appears that, for the flamer template at least, you can snap off the end and use it as a standard flamer template, or snap the end back on and use it as a Hellstorm template. I'm rather liking this approach that GW has chosen to take!

You'll probably like it a lot less when the snaps get worn out and loose and you have to buy a new set. IMO just make proper single-piece templates.

...Touche. I had always been thinking of machining one before, but I never got around to it since I play a grand total of like, one or two apoc games each year.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Didn't the old helstorm template have a normal flamer indicator on it? I remember being able to use the hellstorm template as a normal flamer.

It did, yes.

Although as a really crazy alternative, you can also use the regular 40K template for your regular template weapons.

 insaniak wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Didn't the old helstorm template have a normal flamer indicator on it? I remember being able to use the hellstorm template as a normal flamer.

It did, yes.

Although as a really crazy alternative, you can also use the regular 40K template for your regular template weapons.

It was the closest thing that was near me at the time at the LGS.

 insaniak wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Didn't the old helstorm template have a normal flamer indicator on it? I remember being able to use the hellstorm template as a normal flamer.

It did, yes.

Although as a really crazy alternative, you can also use the regular 40K template for your regular template weapons.

Wait what?! Since when?! I thought we always had to buy the latest and greatest, limited-production, shiny-color and special effects-filled templates that GW released?

I'm not really impressed by anything that's been released by GW here. While the Monolith looks somewhat decent, the Khorne daemon engine is an example of the path GW models are taking. It's comparable to a child's toy, and with Games Workshop continuing to target a younger generation.

Not that it completely redeems it, and it would be pretty expensive, but if you have plans for the treads, at least the torso won't go to waste.

Actually, the torso does connect to the waist...

I don't think that would work. It looks like the Dreadknight legs would actually be a lot smaller than that.


Edit - Yeah, people really need to stop editing the second post on the ol' double-post-glitch before the system catches up and removes one of them automatically

It is pretty rough, but there is the one pic with the Berko for size reference, so that was a handy 25mm scale for that image. The Dreadknight pic looks like it was taken perpendicular to the 120mm axis of that base. Depending on the actual angle of the Dreadknight, and how close/far the Berko and Lord were to the camera, there might be some scale distortion, but the two kits are a LOT closer than I thought they were, especially after looking at the Lord pics in the Battle Report.

Then there is the fact that the price for those two kits together is creeping up to a healthy chunk on the price tag of a Warhound.

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:
Not that it completely redeems it, and it would be pretty expensive, but if you have plans for the treads, at least the torso won't go to waste.

Actually, the torso does connect to the waist...

Give it an umbilical cord, and I think you have yourself a model.

And maybe keep the grey knight on the outside.

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:
Not that it completely redeems it, and it would be pretty expensive, but if you have plans for the treads, at least the torso won't go to waste.

Actually, the torso does connect to the waist...

You know, with the demon face that guy does look a bit like a monster from Doom.