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Yes, sorry, we're talking about Oz. Sorry for the confusion everyone.

When having a look at the more troop heavy IG formations i noticed your actualy getting more bang for your money when not ordering the one click deals....

catachan ambush patroll => 3 troops with HW + HQ

or battleforce + troop = same money + free sentinel ( and 6 left over troopers)


Imperial shield company => 6 troops 3 HW platoons and 4 HQ+ + advisors

or 3 battleforce + extra HQ + advisors = same money + 3 free sentinels

somehow i can't get over the feeling of getting shortchanged yet again

seems like their realy helping you spend more on less instead of saving time and clicks

orc master wrote:
When having a look at the more troop heavy IG formations i noticed your actualy getting more bang for your money when not ordering the one click deals....

catachan ambush patroll => 3 troops with HW + HQ

or battleforce + troop = same money + free sentinel ( and 6 left over troopers)


Imperial shield company => 6 troops 3 HW platoons and 4 HQ+ + advisors

or 3 battleforce + extra HQ + advisors = same money + 3 free sentinels

somehow i can't get over the feeling of getting shortchanged yet again

seems like their realy helping you spend more on less instead of saving time and clicks

Yeah my friend was telling me about the necron warrior formation where its the same cost for the warriors, but you dont get the scarab bases that come with each box. I havnt looked into it myself but I find it funny GW overlooked that.

 Billagio wrote:
Yeah my friend was telling me about the necron warrior formation where its the same cost for the warriors, but you dont get the scarab bases that come with each box. I havnt looked into it myself but I find it funny GW overlooked that.

Technically impossible. Scarabs are part of the Necron Warrior sprue, so you'll get them regardless of whether it says they're included. They mightn't give you any 40mm bases, but that's a different issue.

I'm really getting tempted to buy an Obelisk for my crons... So I have a spare shard, a super heavy for Apoc (Or I could attempt to convert into a monolith... not worth the effort, though) And 40 scarabs! Should be enough to build 12 scarab bases... 3 scarabs on each base (1 for each wound)

Anyone else super letdown by the c'tan model from the obelisk? I mean yeah they had to get it on a plastic sprue, but man it shows hard.

"one 2nd edition single piece pose coming right up!"

They didn't even make it full sized, and these things are supposed to be extra powerful? The collar on it looks EXTRA dumb going all the way up to the nose. It doesn't look scary or imposing at all and frankly all the effort making it look like its giving off tendrils of energy is totally wasted on the rest of its garbage features.

I agree, it certainly isn't as good as it could have been, but compared to other models GW has done lately, it really isn't too bad... looking at you dinobots and WoC monsters...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'm really getting tempted to buy an Obelisk for my crons... So I have a spare shard, a super heavy for Apoc (Or I could attempt to convert into a monolith... not worth the effort, though) And 40 scarabs! Should be enough to build 12 scarab bases... 3 scarabs on each base (1 for each wound)

Given the large size of the Obelisk, I wonder whether you could convert it into a pair of Monoliths. Would need to see sprue pictures and a side by side with a Monolith to get a better idea of the size.

 ph34r wrote:
Anyone else super letdown by the c'tan model from the obelisk? I mean yeah they had to get it on a plastic sprue, but man it shows hard.

"one 2nd edition single piece pose coming right up!"

They didn't even make it full sized, and these things are supposed to be extra powerful? The collar on it looks EXTRA dumb going all the way up to the nose. It doesn't look scary or imposing at all and frankly all the effort making it look like its giving off tendrils of energy is totally wasted on the rest of its garbage features.

I really like it. If you look in WD, there's one painted in a fiery red scheme for the battle report, which looks much better IMHO.

Also some pics of it on WD Daily (Scroll down)
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=9900026

 Alfndrate wrote:
I asked them this same thing with the Iyanden bundle, using the premise that if they offered even a 10% discount on that 1-click bundle, they'd save me enough money for another flyer kit... This is the response I got:

GW Customer Service Rep wrote:The one click bundles that appear on the website are meant to function for a quick and easy checkout process. Virtually all of the bundles we have packaged over the last year are either based on a theme. For example: the Iyanden bundle coinciding with the supplement, or they feature one of each new release for an army release.

See that bolded part? They're not trying to save you money, or thank you for buying direct, or any other reason that could be thought of as to why they could give you a discount on these bundles. They're literally saving you a few clicks...

Thanks for the enlightenment, not what I wanted to hear but I appreciate it all the same .
Glad they do not want us to slow down selecting things to buy in case it is an impulse buy or our finger breaks part way through the order.
They are not quite lying but not being completely honest either.
So people will see no benefit spending for a "package deal" so they will get everything piecemeal.
Not the swiftest sales method I have ever seen but it is very much their style.

Might get the book but not looking at anything else with any excitement.
Must be getting jaded in my old age.

Plus, y'know, plastic C'Tan. No need for FineCost.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Also some pics of it on WD Daily (Scroll down)
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=9900026

Ok. So there's a third unit in that box. Not just a C'Tan but a "Transcendant C'Tan", which must be one of the only-if-we-sell-a-kit-for-it new Apoc formations. Interesting.

Looking at the footprint of the vault compared to the flight stand it sits on I would guess that the Obelisk is pretty close to the same width as a monolith. I am going to assume it is around 9" tall since that is the description given in the WD. Without seeing a side by side I would guess it would be a fair stand in, But paying nearly triple the cost for a new sculp as a stand in for a monolith is not very cost efficient

I'm actually excited about Apocalypse this time around. But now I'm older and around more gamers that actually want to put painted models on the table at huge game sizes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Technically impossible. Scarabs are part of the Necron Warrior sprue, so you'll get them regardless of whether it says they're included. They mightn't give you any 40mm bases, but that's a different issue.

But it's a one-click deal.
Don't they just send you 10 boxes of Warriors?

I really doubt that creating a new mould or repacking them would save them enough money to make it worth it.

orc master wrote:
When having a look at the more troop heavy IG formations i noticed your actualy getting more bang for your money when not ordering the one click deals....
catachan ambush patroll => 3 troops with HW + HQ
or battleforce + troop = same money + free sentinel ( and 6 left over troopers)

Could we please stop mentioning this before GW reads it and decides to "fix" it by removing Battleforces from their website?

Kangodo wrote:
But it's a one-click deal.
Don't they just send you 10 boxes of Warriors?

I really doubt that creating a new mould or repacking them would save them enough money to make it worth it.

Of course, they just send you lots of Warriors. My point was them not advertising the fact that it will automatically come with Scarabs by default isn't a big deal because buying Warriors means you get Scarabs. They could just send sprues though, meaning no 40mm bases, but I doubt it.

Anyone know if things like the plague tower and scabeiathrax will be in the new book?

Do GW make a Plague Tower model? Does FW?

There's your answer.

Besides the Eldar codex that was released...this was the other release that I'm looking forward to. Two back-to-back releases that I've been waiting for. It's been a good couple of months. Sadly, after that...I can only look forward to a 6th Ed. DE codex...which is years away...

There's already a perfectly serviceable Dark Eldar codex. I think you can last a few more years.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do GW make a Plague Tower model? Does FW?

There's your answer.

Chances are, however, it won't take much creativity to make the old stuff work in the new edition; nothing we've seen indicates radical changes in statlines or special rules associated with the superheavies.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do GW make a Plague Tower model? Does FW?

There's your answer.

I'm sure they could cobble together one from 100% purchased citadel parts from a dozen kits without making anything from scratch or having to resort to using anyone else's products (even down to the glue and hobby knife).

 Squigsquasher wrote:
There's already a perfectly serviceable Dark Eldar codex. I think you can last a few more years.

Define "perfectly serviceable", because the current DE codex is absolute trash in 6th edition. Not that it matters because no one gets updated based on "need", but still.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:
There's already a perfectly serviceable Dark Eldar codex. I think you can last a few more years.

Define "perfectly serviceable", because the current DE codex is absolute trash in 6th edition. Not that it matters because no one gets updated based on "need", but still.

Blame Phil Kelly!

It is possible to make a legal, functional army with it.

Besides, I highly doubt it's as nerfed as everyone makes out. You've still got 4+ Poisoned shooting weapons on your basic troops unit, you have a variety of effective units, like Wracks, Razorwing Jetfighters, Venoms, etc, you're still one of the fastest armies in the game, and you can still do a huge amount of damage if you play well.

Requiring skill and finesse to use=/="Absolute trash".

I'm kinda curious, where are you guys (in the last page) getting that email that said that there was only 800 left? Everywhere else seems to still have it.

New stuff about extra armaments for the fortifications, if anyone wants a gander.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=9900040

To be really honest, the entire Aquila Strongpoint looks like the small building from the Fortress of Redemption... What with the missile silos or a turret to be plopped on top. And 'lo and behold, the missile silo will again have LOS issues on anything that isn't a flyer. Too bad you probably can't Vortex a flyer (blast weapon, based on the template they've released)

 Enigwolf wrote:
To be really honest, the entire Aquila Strongpoint looks like the small building from the Fortress of Redemption... What with the missile silos or a turret to be plopped on top. And 'lo and behold, the missile silo will again have LOS issues on anything that isn't a flyer. Too bad you probably can't Vortex a flyer (blast weapon, based on the template they've released)

Vortex Weapons don't work as normal blast weapons, they're "everything under the template" as opposed to inflicting hits, which means they'd work on fliers. It doesn't ever have to inflict a hit on the flier to kill it. That could change though.

But there is still the issue that you can only shoot what you have line of sight to. Being sunken into the floor of a raised fortification surrounded by battlements leaves very little to what it can actually draw LOS to.