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Lord of Pus?

Leighjt wrote:The collectors edition has the pandorax warzone supplement, which has the plaguereaper, tower of skulls, greater brass scorpion and daemon forge... So was very worth it imho

That's interesting, hopefully it comes to a general release audience.

Still holding out for a Swarm of Soul Grinders.

To take that model and turn it into this is highly impressive.

Eyjio which formation to you mean, the Doomsday Monolith one where the command mono got an extra 7" blast for every mono in the formation that decided not to shoot or the one where they created an invisble line between them and any shots through the line were reduced by 1 strength per line it went through and also no psychic powers could be targeted through them? (can't recall what it was called)

 jgemrich wrote:
My local GW (Cincinnati) posted this up last night. Inspired. Right or wrong I'm all about making up my own formations/rules/etc. Apoc is really just a bity of structured chaos anyways.

Ok I like that model now.

... Why do I want to see a conversion of a really fat Great Unclean One in one of the disability scooters?

Leighjt wrote:
The collectors edition has the pandorax warzone supplement, which has the plaguereaper, tower of skulls, greater brass scorpion and daemon forge... So was very worth it imho

Colour me surprised.

And they did say that that book would come out eventually.

The Warzone book. Does it have missions, or just formations?

 Savageconvoy wrote:
... Why do I want to see a conversion of a really fat Great Unclean One in one of the disability scooters?

Especially with a Grand Canyon backdrop.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Lord of Pus?

Leighjt wrote:The collectors edition has the pandorax warzone supplement, which has the plaguereaper, tower of skulls, greater brass scorpion and daemon forge... So was very worth it imho

That's interesting, hopefully it comes to a general release audience.

Still holding out for a Swarm of Soul Grinders.

I wonder how one would do a Slaanshi lord of battles

... Why do I want to see a conversion of a really fat Great Unclean One in one of the disability scooters?

I suppose I missed the Dakka policy to submit pics for your approval prior to posting. As this thread is about apoc and recent conversation turned to models being produced or supported I thought it was a worthy conversion to share with the community and one that I'd be happy to play against even with some DIY rules.

If your contribution is to state that you don't want to see it or contributions from me in the future I'd recommend the hide user functionality.

Cheers

 jgemrich wrote:

... Why do I want to see a conversion of a really fat Great Unclean One in one of the disability scooters?

I suppose I missed the Dakka policy to submit pics for your approval prior to posting. As this thread is about apoc and recent conversation turned to models being produced or supported I thought it was a worthy conversion to share with the community and one that I'd be happy to play against even with some DIY rules.

If your contribution is to state that you don't want to see it or contributions from me in the future I'd recommend the hide user functionality.

Cheers

I believe you misinterpreted him. What I think he meant was "I now totally want to see a conversion of a really fat Great Unclean One in one of the disability scooters"

Also, double post is doubled, somehow.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
... Why do I want to see a conversion of a really fat Great Unclean One in one of the disability scooters?

Especially with a Grand Canyon backdrop.

'Murica, but in a all seriousness I really like the nurgle conversion.

So am I correct in my assumption the even though new Wall of Martyrs got rules, the old pieces still lack them?

 Crimson wrote:
So am I correct in my assumption the even though new Wall of Martyrs got rules, the old pieces still lack them?

Yup.

You can take a "grand redoubt" formation which includes them, but there's no stated rules, so I'd imagine they're just a 4+ cover save. They're just terrain as for as normal 40k is concerned, nothing purchasable.

Eyjio wrote:Could you give us all a hint of the formations from the other warzone if that's okay?

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Warzone book. Does it have missions, or just formations?

Pandorax Warzonne (68 pages)

Dark Angels vs. Chaos Space Marines

4 Missions
9 Strategic Assets
Finest Hours for Abaddon, Azreal and Col.Strike

Formations:
Chaos Space Marines

The Chose of Abaddon: 3-5 Lords or Sorcerers, 1 Chosen or Terminators unit for each
Deamon Engine Pack: 3-5 Forgefiends/Maulerfiends
Great Brass Scorpion of Khorne
The Hounds of Huron: 1 Lord, 5+ Biker Squads
Khorne Tower of Skulls
Maelstrom of Gore: Lord or Kharne, 8 Khorne Berserker units
Plaguereaper of Nurgle
Trinity of Blood: 3 Khorne Lord of Skulls
Daemonic Forgehost: 3-5 Soul Grinders

Imperial Guard

Deathstrike Vortex Missile Battery: 3-5 Deathstrike Missile Launchers
'Emperor's Mercy' Commissariat Squad: 1 Lord Commissar, 3+ Commissars
Storm Trooper Mission Elite: 2+ StormTrooper squads, Valkerie for each
Traitor's Bane (Hellhammer)
Xerexes Airborne Support Wing: 3-5 Valkeries with Missile Pods

Imperial

Marauder Bomber
Warhound Hunting Pack: 2 Warhounds

Dark Angels

Talon of Vengeance: 2-4 Dark Talons, 1 Nephilim Jetfighter
Thunderhead Squadron: 3 Darkshrouds, 1+ LS Vengeance, 1+ LS Suppoer Squadron

Grey Knights

Assassinorum Murder Squad: 1 Vindicare, 1 Culexus, 1 Eversor, 1 Calidus

So yeah.. Am I the only one pissed of with the formations?

Examples:
Green Tide needs 10 units.
Cron Phalanx needs 10.
The Monolith one NEEDS 8!

I already miss the days where I could play Formations without spending another 300 Euro on models I will never use outside of Apoc. Eight liths, seriously -_-'

Can you still use the 2-5 mono formation from the last book?

If you want to, yeah. At the end of the day, if you're playing in a club/at home with a bunch of friends, you can do what you want. It's only with tournaments where it matters, and even then they're a lot more "for the lulz" than most tournaments.

this Daemon engine pack... i would be very interested to hear how this one works... very very interested

From what I've seen so far actually, the Titans appear to be the only real broken units though this does now include both Eldar titans (and good grief when you see the Eldar formations is it obvious Phil Kelly was one of the authors). D weapons are reasonably hard to come by and all have significant downsides to their usage on non-titans. It's an interesting problem for sure. Also, they reeeeally want al the Gargantuan creatures getting into combat ASAP. They're super durable and killy in assault but a little too squishy outside IMO.

 Squigsquasher wrote:
If you want to, yeah. At the end of the day, if you're playing in a club/at home with a bunch of friends, you can do what you want. It's only with tournaments where it matters, and even then they're a lot more "for the lulz" than most tournaments.

Yeah, I know.. but still..
Do you really want a book where you have to House-Rule 90% because nobody can field that amount of models?

I was very hopeful, since the Cron-thing had a line with "if at least 100 models". It made me believe that the minimum was 50 or so.

And I would really like to do the Wings of Sanguinius.. Then I read that I need at least 100 Assault Marines with JP's =/
When I read the one-click deals, I saw this line:
"This One-Click Collection contains all you need to field the Wings of Sanguinius Apocalypse Formation. It includes: 1 Blood Angels Vanguard Veteran; 1 Chaplain with Jump Pack; 1 The Sanguinor; 1 set of Sanguinary Guard; and 20 Assault Squads."
I thought they were greedy by instantly offering the maximum for that formation. Seems they were extra greedy since that crap is actually the 'minimum'!
Would it be that bad to make it "2-10" Assault Squads instead of "10!"?

It's not that I am opposed to buying models to finish a formation, but the minimum needed for those formations is just way too big.
And don't forget that the new book has over 100 of those! My entire group can probably ignore 90 out of those 100.

UltraPrime wrote:

Eyjio wrote:Could you give us all a hint of the formations from the other warzone if that's okay?

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Warzone book. Does it have missions, or just formations?

Pandorax Warzonne (68 pages)

Dark Angels vs. Chaos Space Marines

4 Missions
9 Strategic Assets
Finest Hours for Abaddon, Azreal and Col.Strike

Formations:
Chaos Space Marines

The Chose of Abaddon: 3-5 Lords or Sorcerers, 1 Chosen or Terminators unit for each
Deamon Engine Pack: 3-5 Forgefiends/Maulerfiends
Great Brass Scorpion of Khorne
The Hounds of Huron: 1 Lord, 5+ Biker Squads
Khorne Tower of Skulls
Maelstrom of Gore: Lord or Kharne, 8 Khorne Berserker units
Plaguereaper of Nurgle
Trinity of Blood: 3 Khorne Lord of Skulls
Daemonic Forgehost: 3-5 Soul Grinders

Imperial Guard

Deathstrike Vortex Missile Battery: 3-5 Deathstrike Missile Launchers
'Emperor's Mercy' Commissariat Squad: 1 Lord Commissar, 3+ Commissars
Storm Trooper Mission Elite: 2+ StormTrooper squads, Valkerie for each
Traitor's Bane (Hellhammer)
Xerexes Airborne Support Wing: 3-5 Valkeries with Missile Pods

Imperial

Marauder Bomber
Warhound Hunting Pack: 2 Warhounds

Dark Angels

Talon of Vengeance: 2-4 Dark Talons, 1 Nephilim Jetfighter
Thunderhead Squadron: 3 Darkshrouds, 1+ LS Vengeance, 1+ LS Suppoer Squadron

Grey Knights

Assassinorum Murder Squad: 1 Vindicare, 1 Culexus, 1 Eversor, 1 Calidus

OK, I really hope this comes out soon. It seems to cover a number of the missing formations, and I'm glad to see a double Warhound formation. Will encourage me to finish painting mine and order a second.

Kangodo wrote:
So yeah.. Am I the only one pissed of with the formations?

Examples:
Green Tide needs 10 units.
Cron Phalanx needs 10.
The Monolith one NEEDS 8!

I already miss the days where I could play Formations without spending another 300 Euro on models I will never use outside of Apoc. Eight liths, seriously -_-'

Remember, unless the formation specifices, you can run minimum sized units. For things like the Green Tide, you are actually far better off now. Before, it was a mob of 100+ boyz, which meant you could only take a single Nob. Now it is 10 units, so up to 10 nobz. It does make a cap of 300 boyz in the mob though.

The Cron Phalanx is 10 units, but minimum size of warrior units is only 5, so the minimum size formation is 50 warriors. Though the bonuses don't start stacking up until you hitt 100+ models in it.

Monolith one is crazy, I agree.

Hmm true, I really forgot that they came in a minimum of 5 for some reason I thought it was 10.. I should learn my own army better!
But the Wings-one is really 100 ASM!

And seeing that many Formations from Armageddon are 'low body count' makes me hopeful for future expansions

Yeah, 8 is way too much.. Especially when most Formation-rules in that thing only care about models within 3"
I'll try to houserule those set-ups and hope people won't go "NO, CRONS CANNOT HAVE BUFFS!"

10 units of 5 warriors won't last long though, with their 4+ saves, and their inability to get back up after getting wiped. :/

Well, I think it's one of the "best" ones.
50 Warriors > Fearless and Relentless
100 > better RP and Fear (even though a Res Orb does it too)
150 > insanely good RP

As you can see, it starts small and the more models you have the happier you get.
Unlike other formations it doesn't simply go 'Rulebook says no!' if you happen to lack 500 Euro of models.
And it doesn't require you to spend almost all of your points in one basket.
Like I said somewhere (here?) before: The Monolith thing is around 2100pnt minimum, compared to a minimum of 650 for the Warriors.

Maybe I am just jumping to conclusions to quickly, but from the info that I have read most Apocalypse-formations don't look very friendly or inviting to newer players.
In my opinion most formations need a minimum of 150 Euro of models and more models should be awesome, not a requirement.

Kangodo wrote:
But the Wings-one is really 100 ASM!
And seeing that many Formations from Armageddon are 'low body count' makes me hopeful for future expansions

True on the Wings one, but all the other Space MArine companies are 100 models + command. The BA jump troop one and DA Deathwing company are in line with the generic SM Battle/Reserve/Veteran company. And it is a nice bit that you can take reserve companies. Same rules as the battle comnpany, you just choose 6 Tac/2 Assault/2 Dev, or 10 of the same.

Fearless is good, but how are you going to stop them from dying? Is there something that allows them to get back up after a squad wipe?

Also, is there a new immortal formation? I wonder if I can use that formation from old apoc...

Well, you need to waste D-weapons on them or else they get up on a 4+
You can't shoot/melee and hope they run, because they are Fearless.. That's the normal tactic people use in 40k

And no, only a Trazyn/Lychguard one that needs at least 1000 points of them.

I do like our new SHV and GMC btw ^^
So I will just link this link and claim I am not responsible for anything that has been said in there: http://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/25983723

Was going to buy this, then saw the digital edition was $70.

Nevermind.

Kangodo wrote:
Well, you need to waste D-weapons on them or else they get up on a 4+
You can't shoot/melee and hope they run, because they are Fearless.. That's the normal tactic people use in 40k

And no, only a Trazyn/Lychguard one that needs at least 1000 points of them.

I do like our new SHV and GMC btw ^^
So I will just link this link and claim I am not responsible for anything that has been said in there: http://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/25983723

So they do get up after you kill everyone in the squad? Because normally that's how you stop necrons from Rezzing; kill everyone in the squad before they have a chance to roll. Or make them run away, but as you said that can't happen due to fearless.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So they do get up after you kill everyone in the squad? Because normally that's how you stop necrons from Rezzing; kill everyone in the squad before they have a chance to roll. Or make them run away, but as you said that can't happen due to fearless.

Good luck killing 50 of them Even if you manage to kill 49, around 25 will get up.

So, Has anyone bought the new Wall of Martyrs kits? They are supposed to come with rules for 40k, I'm very intrested in hearing if that means we can buy them as fortifications now (And thus if they have point costs.) Or if those are just generic scenery piece rules like the ones in the 40k Rulebook. Especially the firestorm redoubt and Macro cannon which are rumored to be anti flier pieces have my intrest.

Edit: To clarify I am not looking for anyone to post the rules on here, Just a Yes they can be bought as fortifications or no they cannot.