Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**CptJake**

According to a Prodos rep on their forum:

If the content comes back approved in time there will be an update at the end of this week. Please be patient a little longer guys. We want you to have your pledges and want to game released.

http://forum.prodosgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1842&sid=28bec205552b91f5e5e8a6cfb4778b5c&start=40

So they do indeed want you to have your pledge.

**Grumpae**

chaos0xomega wrote:
so... am I still getting my stuff? Previously Prodos had insinuated that they'd start shipping in waves by now if things hadnt been straightened out over the last few items... I've yet to hear a single word on how thats all coming along and we're 22/23 days from christmas.

According to the Prodos Games forum, they will be putting out an update this friday, IF, they get the approvals back in time. We are definately getting our stuff, just not likely to see it until next year, in my opinion.

**Todosi**

According to Jarek, it won't be this year. Doesn't seem like Prodos knows when they will ship now. From Facebook:

Jarek Ever Sure. I am cleaning it now, and please bear in mind this forum is about the AvP: The Hunt Begins game alone, not about approval process or KS or How bad the Prodos is because they haven't ship the game yet. Please stay on the topic if possible. We won't answer any questions regarding the approval process equally we don't know when we will ship the game, I only know what we have been told that it will be "Soon" at this stage. Ok stay on the topic and don't troll as it's not creative at all.

**warboss**

Wow, they're pretty defensive there when they have no right to be. Asking them about a release date when the project is continually missing successive release dates isn't trolling or off topic. They're the ones missing the release date, not the customers. The customers have every right not to be happy with the situation even if the blame doesn't always deserve to fall at Prodos' feet.

**CptJake**

I would like status updates on the stuff they assumedly do control, like the clear resin casting. Since they have already shown the Predator sculpts I think it is safe to think those are already approved by Fox. So showing the production castings in clear resin should be something they may be able to do, and giving an update on how that is coming along even if for some reason they could not show pictures, should be do-able.

Ditto with discussing the rule set progress. We were given access to a draft PDF and a lot of questions about the rules came up on the KS comments section before it was disappeared, Prodos should be able to answer those and give updates as to how the proof reading process is coming along.

There has to be items they can update us on, even with Fox having to approve things.

Maybe Fox now has to approve all updates?

Who knows.

**biggusdoggus**

CptJake wrote:
snip....

Maybe Fox now has to approve all updates?

.

Jarek has said as much.

He's now busy stripping the facebook forum of every post that queries the delays, asks for pics, questions anything. Apparently the forum is no longer to be used to critisise Prodos or Fox, or offer anything deemed non-constructive (read anything that isn't basically kissing ass). Colour me astonished.

**warboss**

biggusdoggus wrote:
CptJake wrote:
snip....

Maybe Fox now has to approve all updates?

.

Jarek has said as much.

He's now busy stripping the facebook forum of every post that queries the delays, asks for pics, questions anything. Apparently the forum is no longer to be used to critisise Prodos or Fox, or offer anything deemed non-constructive (read anything that isn't basically kissing ass). Colour me astonished.

I can't tell if you're really surprised or not; tone is hard to judge in a post. I've never dealt with Prodos personally and only followed Warzone peripherally so I don't know if this is typical for them once things start to go wrong for a while. In any case, they're naive and self serving (to put it mildly) to think that simply wanting information you should have about products you should already have but don't is trolling or non-constructive.

**biggusdoggus**

I think I really am surprised. Surprised that any company really thinks the right thing to do when 6 months late on a project is to start removing posts they don't like in a clear attempt to silence those who are expressing concern and doubt. It's the mark of a good company that it can handle criticism with a little honesty and humility, and right now they are so full of fail it's quite unbelievable. This is a PR disaster, and they don't seem to see that.

and to be honest their every move right now confirms my worst fears for the project given recent events with the IP dispute that they have denied exists. If I were Fox, I'd be beating them over the head with a huge great big contractual stick right now.

**CptJake**

That may be the problem. Fox may be beating them over the head, and Prodos may be in panic mode, scared to take any action/put out any info.

Prodos (in my opinion) is not handling the issue/pressure well at all and would seem to be exacerbating everything.

But Fox putting pressure on them is just speculation.

**warboss**

Just be careful not to use capital letters or exclamation points in case they confuse that with violence like over in that weird "i can skulpts stuff t00!" prehistoric creatures KS.

**Alpharius**

Their forum doesn't really seem to be much of a...forum.

**CptJake**

Alpharius wrote:
Their forum doesn't really seem to be much of a...forum.

Hush you. That sounds mighty negative like.

**Nostromodamus**

warboss wrote:
Wow, they're pretty defensive there when they have no right to be. Asking them about a release date when the project is continually missing successive release dates isn't trolling or off topic. They're the ones missing the release date, not the customers. The customers have every right not to be happy with the situation even if the blame doesn't always deserve to fall at Prodos' feet.

It's exactly this type of behavior that prompted my refund request.

Doubt I'll get it though.

Just hope my minis come sometime soon so I don't have to deal with Prodos again.

Edit: Jarek going through the facebook comments to delete any bad ones is probably the most attention he's paid to fan input during this whole process...

**MangoMadness**

Im so happy i stayed away from this KS, I saw what they were doing with Warzone and it raised flags for me.

Doesnt mean I have spent the $$$ wisely though, i put it into other failing KSers

Yay me

**biggusdoggus**

@Alex C - when did you request a refund?

I'll be very interested in hearing how that pans out.. I'm not in this one very deep, but deep enough that I wouldn't want to lose the money. I really really want the game - actually mostly I want the minis to be fair, but pretty much every fibre of my being is yelling "get out" at the moment.

If they're refusing refunds that would indeed be a very bad development.

**Ruglud**

The Facebook rules:

All, we have to put some rules in place , as it's getting a bit messy here: We treat this Facebook Group as an official forum for AvP: The Hunt Begins Game only.
So the rules:

1. Treat other members with the respect they deserve. This should go without saying, but treat others like you would like to be treated !

2. The forum language is English only! Please only post in other languages in PM.

3. Please do not spam. The definition of spam is an irrelevant or advertising post. Any post considered spam will be removed.

4. Please do not post threads text in all CAPITALS since this is considered to be shouting and is not necessary.

5. Insulting and flaming or personal attacks against forum staff will be not tolerated.

6. Please be considerate in language you use on the forum, some of our members are younger than others. Swearing is not completely banned, just do not swear unnecessarily, and only use minor words. A filter is in place to safeguard this system.

7. No hacking, selling, and illegal activity, such as torrents and illegal downloads, this will not be tolerated, and if appropriate, may be reported to local authority.

10. Please do not post inappropriate material or offensive statements, I think everyone understands what I mean by this. The policy goes that if you would not feel comfortable viewing it at work, by owners or the IP owner or in front of children or parents, don't post it !

11. Due to level of spam, we'll only accept invites from "real" FB accounts.

Prodos Games LTD

**Nostromodamus**

biggusdoggus wrote:
@Alex C - when did you request a refund?

When this whole "IP infringement" happened.

Like I said, I doubt I'll get it, but I figured I might as well ask. At this stage I'll be happy with my money back or the stuff I ordered. I just want out of this limbo. I have lost respect for Prodos as an honest company that I want to do business with and the sooner I'm done with them, the better.

**biggusdoggus**

so a week later and nothing forthcoming. That doesn't bode well at all.

**CptJake**

biggusdoggus wrote:
so a week later and nothing forthcoming. That doesn't bode well at all.

To be fair, they did say they are hoping to put out info at the end of this week. I wouldn't expect something before Friday.

**biggusdoggus**

I'm referring to Alex C's request for a refund, which is now a week old.

and I'm fully expecting Friday's update to use a lot of words to say very little, but probably have a pop at those of us expressing concern in the process.

**CptJake**

biggusdoggus wrote:
I'm referring to Alex C's request for a refund, which is now a week old.

and I'm fully expecting Friday's update to use a lot of words to say very little, but probably have a pop at those of us expressing concern in the process.

Sorry, my mistake.

I think your guess on the (hopefully) upcoming update is spot on.

**Nostromodamus**

I think they refunded a guy who was being really obnoxious in the comments before.

Maybe I need to up my game

**warboss**

So with the criteria posted above, will asking for a delivery date or progress update be considered spam and deleted then?

**CptJake**

Probably. Asking for that type of info is a clear indicator you are a hater and want them to fail and look bad.

**biggusdoggus**

basically anything short of kissing the very ground they walk on is grounds for a post being deleted and for their fanboys to rag on you and try to hound you out of whichever forum you use.

**MattRendar**

Well I remember hopeful . Being a huge aliens vs predator fan . I just want the miniatures so bad .

**SeanDrake**

Having survived the Relic Knights and Sedition Wars Kickstarters, looks like I dodged a bullet when i was to short of cash to back this and robotech.

**Pacific**

As a mark of remembrance my avatar will stay as it is for the moment; Not only for my love of John Hurt and Facehuggers, but also as a reminder of how we fans are waiting for these minis to arrive

MattRendar wrote:
Well I remember hopeful . Being a huge aliens vs predator fan . I just want the miniatures so bad .

Me too. I'm just doing my best to forget about the release date, and when I'm actually going to get the miniatures. Prodos haven't come well out of this, and it would have to be miniature gold in future for me to consider backing them again, but I'm not going to cut my nose now to spite my face by cancelling my pledge.

I also don't think lack of them replying about a refund is also indicative that the project is suddenly about to fail.

**Alpharius**

biggusdoggus wrote:
basically anything short of kissing the very ground they walk on is grounds for a post being deleted and for their fanboys to rag on you and try to hound you out of whichever forum you use.

Not quite every forum now, right?

**biggusdoggus**

Alpharius wrote:
biggusdoggus wrote:
basically anything short of kissing the very ground they walk on is grounds for a post being deleted and for their fanboys to rag on you and try to hound you out of whichever forum you use.

Not quite every forum now, right?

Indeed not quite. There are a few, such as this, that thankfully they can't control with their thought police.