gigasnail wrote:
Dunno how much you guys are keeping up with the cron thread, but quantum shielding is unchanged, it's not all sides as was initially reported.

Those wraiths though...that's just dirty. They make me feel funny, and I like it.

luke1705 wrote:

Back to Nids, I was able to attend a local rtt this past weekend down in Somerville, NJ and man was it a blast! I filled in at the last moment for someone else due to the inclement weather and I'm really glad I did. It was labeled as a LVO prep tournament and I believe it! I played against serpent spam in the first round, daemons allied with leviathan in the second round, and against Nick Nanavati in the finals (apologies if I've butchered his name). Also got to meet Sean Nayden and see his updated #lictorshame list firsthand (beautifully-painted army by the way).

Though I'm not attending the LVO this year, I would definitely bring the list that I brought here if I was, which was: (in shorthand)

4 Flyrants
3 mucolids
5 single Lictor squads
Malanthrope
Bastion w/comms
2 Mawlocs
3 DS ripper squads

A quick recap of the games I played:

Spoiler:

First round was against a new player running 5 serpents and a wraithknight (I know he had other stuff but I can't recall what), and we had less time to play because we arrived late and were sticking to the schedule, but he did manage to seize on me and get first blood on one of my hive tyrants through 2+ cover (what is cover, Eldar ask?). However, Flyrants really do just get exponentially better the more of them you take because they can just murder everything. Even wave serpents as long as you don't roll ones (which I didn't do a great job of tbh but it worked out well enough). Took the game 8-1 using the BAO missions, which will also be used at the LVO.

Second round against the Daemons/Nids player was odd because I just couldn't forge the narrative. Why are Flyrants shooting at Flyrants?? Both of our dice were hot early so first blood wasn't managed until bottom of 3 (seriously) but I finally got it and took that game 9-1. He didn't start summoning early enough to keep up with the maelstrom objectives I was pumping out and it was the scouring so he conceded at the bottom of 4. Fateweaver did manage to stay off the board enough to avoid giving up warlord. So sneaky!

Last round was against Nick and man his list was nuts. It was pure Daemons and I won't spoil it because I don't think he'll change much for the LVO but man. I was never left with a good decision and I messed up in a key situation late game, thinking that horrors that he had were summoned rather than his actual OS troops, plus forgetting that I could Mawloc my own guys to end a combat early enough to kill off his guys. Definitely could have been able to tie if I had played that right, but that's what happens when you go up against a GT winner. A mistake or two will cost you. Still a great game and had a blast. Didn't wind up placing due to battle points, but it was a great time nonetheless.

Coldsteel wrote:
4 Flyrants
3 mucolids
5 single Lictor squads
Malanthrope
Bastion w/comms
2 Mawlocs
3 DS ripper squads

Does that come out to 1850? Seems short.

luke1705 wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:
Dunno how much you guys are keeping up with the cron thread, but quantum shielding is unchanged, it's not all sides as was initially reported.

Those wraiths though...that's just dirty. They make me feel funny, and I like it.

Haha I know right?! This isn't the thread for it, but wraithwing is BACK baby! Not that I ever left it haha. Definitely not so sure that barges are as auto-take as they once were. Jinking is now a real decision that actually greatly lowers damage output.

Back to Nids, I was able to attend a local rtt this past weekend down in Somerville, NJ and man was it a blast! I filled in at the last moment for someone else due to the inclement weather and I'm really glad I did. It was labeled as a LVO prep tournament and I believe it! I played against serpent spam in the first round, daemons allied with leviathan in the second round, and against Nick Nanavati in the finals (apologies if I've butchered his name). Also got to meet Sean Nayden and see his updated #lictorshame list firsthand (beautifully-painted army by the way).

Though I'm not attending the LVO this year, I would definitely bring the list that I brought here if I was, which was: (in shorthand)

4 Flyrants
3 mucolids
5 single Lictor squads
Malanthrope
Bastion w/comms
2 Mawlocs
3 DS ripper squads

A quick recap of the games I played:
[spoiler]
First round was against a new player running 5 serpents and a wraithknight (I know he had other stuff but I can't recall what), and we had less time to play because we arrived late and were sticking to the schedule, but he did manage to seize on me and get first blood on one of my hive tyrants through 2+ cover (what is cover, Eldar ask?). However, Flyrants really do just get exponentially better the more of them you take because they can just murder everything. Even wave serpents as long as you don't roll ones (which I didn't do a great job of tbh but it worked out well enough). Took the game 8-1 using the BAO missions, which will also be used at the LVO.

Second round against the Daemons/Nids player was odd because I just couldn't forge the narrative. Why are Flyrants shooting at Flyrants?? Both of our dice were hot early so first blood wasn't managed until bottom of 3 (seriously) but I finally got it and took that game 9-1. He didn't start summoning early enough to keep up with the maelstrom objectives I was pumping out and it was the scouring so he conceded at the bottom of 4. Fateweaver did manage to stay off the board enough to avoid giving up warlord. So sneaky!

Last round was against Nick and man his list was nuts. It was pure Daemons and I won't spoil it because I don't think he'll change much for the LVO but man. I was never left with a good decision and I messed up in a key situation late game, thinking that horrors that he had were summoned rather than his actual OS troops, plus forgetting that I could Mawloc my own guys to end a combat early enough to kill off his guys. Definitely could have been able to tie if I had played that right, but that's what happens when you go up against a GT winner. A mistake or two will cost you. Still a great game and had a blast. Didn't wind up placing due to battle points, but it was a great time nonetheless.[/spoler]

 jy2 wrote:
I'll be putting up a poll maybe 2 weeks before the tournament to see which army I should bring.

 astro_nomicon wrote:

luke1705 wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:
Dunno how much you guys are keeping up with the cron thread, but quantum shielding is unchanged, it's not all sides as was initially reported.

Those wraiths though...that's just dirty. They make me feel funny, and I like it.

Haha I know right?! This isn't the thread for it, but wraithwing is BACK baby! Not that I ever left it haha. Definitely not so sure that barges are as auto-take as they once were. Jinking is now a real decision that actually greatly lowers damage output.

Back to Nids, I was able to attend a local rtt this past weekend down in Somerville, NJ and man was it a blast! I filled in at the last moment for someone else due to the inclement weather and I'm really glad I did. It was labeled as a LVO prep tournament and I believe it! I played against serpent spam in the first round, daemons allied with leviathan in the second round, and against Nick Nanavati in the finals (apologies if I've butchered his name). Also got to meet Sean Nayden and see his updated #lictorshame list firsthand (beautifully-painted army by the way).

Though I'm not attending the LVO this year, I would definitely bring the list that I brought here if I was, which was: (in shorthand)

4 Flyrants
3 mucolids
5 single Lictor squads
Malanthrope
Bastion w/comms
2 Mawlocs
3 DS ripper squads

A quick recap of the games I played:

Spoiler:

First round was against a new player running 5 serpents and a wraithknight (I know he had other stuff but I can't recall what), and we had less time to play because we arrived late and were sticking to the schedule, but he did manage to seize on me and get first blood on one of my hive tyrants through 2+ cover (what is cover, Eldar ask?). However, Flyrants really do just get exponentially better the more of them you take because they can just murder everything. Even wave serpents as long as you don't roll ones (which I didn't do a great job of tbh but it worked out well enough). Took the game 8-1 using the BAO missions, which will also be used at the LVO.

Second round against the Daemons/Nids player was odd because I just couldn't forge the narrative. Why are Flyrants shooting at Flyrants?? Both of our dice were hot early so first blood wasn't managed until bottom of 3 (seriously) but I finally got it and took that game 9-1. He didn't start summoning early enough to keep up with the maelstrom objectives I was pumping out and it was the scouring so he conceded at the bottom of 4. Fateweaver did manage to stay off the board enough to avoid giving up warlord. So sneaky!

Last round was against Nick and man his list was nuts. It was pure Daemons and I won't spoil it because I don't think he'll change much for the LVO but man. I was never left with a good decision and I messed up in a key situation late game, thinking that horrors that he had were summoned rather than his actual OS troops, plus forgetting that I could Mawloc my own guys to end a combat early enough to kill off his guys. Definitely could have been able to tie if I had played that right, but that's what happens when you go up against a GT winner. A mistake or two will cost you. Still a great game and had a blast. Didn't wind up placing due to battle points, but it was a great time nonetheless.

Sounds like a good showing! Do you happen to remember the general scheme of the DaemoNids player's list? I've been running Daemons + Leviathan lately, and it's been a lot of fun.

I'd also love to here what Nick is running out of curiosity, but alas, let's not spoil it.

rigeld2 wrote:
So I played a league game at 1500 last night and brought:
3 Flyrants with eGrubs (warlord with Regen)
3 Mucolids
4 Dakkafexes
Mope

My opponent was IG with a platoon, a vet squad (all with plasma) a LC HWS, a Manticore, the quad-mortar thing, and a Stormsword (the baneblade with 10" ignores cover S10AP1) and an Aegis line with a quad gun.

I'm not sure if I just went on tilt trying to figure out how to handle a 14/13/12 superheavy with 9 HP or if it was actually hard for me to handle... but I lost (barely - I had FB, Warlord, Linebreaker but he had 2 objectives). I was winning until turn 4 where he uncovered a skyfire objective with his Stormsword. Probably didn't help that I rolled really bad for powers (Horror x2, Scream, Parox x3) and when Paroxysm landed I never rolled above a 1.

Did I just panic and lose to myself by targeting everything but the superheavy? I nearly tabled him other than that vehicle (and would've won turn 5 but the game went to 7).

 Iechine wrote:
Shield of Baal: Leviathan

Leviathan Formation: 3HQ 3 Troops everything else normal CAD, may reroll IB
Skytyrant: Flyrant with 2x gargoyle units, acts as a unit and you may LoS! on a 2+ but the Flyrant may never swoop.

 ductvader wrote:
Hard to say without seeing the turn by turn...and hindsight is 20/20...but I would have killed all that plasma with flyrants and plowed forward to asault the tank with the fexes...running instead of shooting even for a turn or so

 syypher wrote:

 Iechine wrote:
Shield of Baal: Leviathan

Leviathan Formation: 3HQ 3 Troops everything else normal CAD, may reroll IB
Skytyrant: Flyrant with 2x gargoyle units, acts as a unit and you may LoS! on a 2+ but the Flyrant may never swoop.

AWE SNAP I THINK I JUST FOUND WHAT IMA BE PLAYING!!!! NIDS!!!! (Been tossing around ideas of Tau or Eldar too)

Thanks Lechine. That sounds awesome Where would I find the Skytyrant formation? I need to have all the books present to use the formations/ etc. at my locals.


Another topic.. we have a lot of Tau and Eldar players. Any advice on what units are good vs them? I'd like to make a TAC list and theres a bunch of those in our locals so I'd like to be prepared.

tag8833 wrote:

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Eldercaveman wrote:
Could you not put the Hive Tyrant at the front, and jink when he is shot at, for a 2+ cover save with Malonthrope support?

With only 4 wounds that is a dangerous proposition.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 syypher wrote:

 Iechine wrote:
Shield of Baal: Leviathan

Leviathan Formation: 3HQ 3 Troops everything else normal CAD, may reroll IB
Skytyrant: Flyrant with 2x gargoyle units, acts as a unit and you may LoS! on a 2+ but the Flyrant may never swoop.

AWE SNAP I THINK I JUST FOUND WHAT IMA BE PLAYING!!!! NIDS!!!! (Been tossing around ideas of Tau or Eldar too)

Thanks Lechine. That sounds awesome Where would I find the Skytyrant formation? I need to have all the books present to use the formations/ etc. at my locals.


Another topic.. we have a lot of Tau and Eldar players. Any advice on what units are good vs them? I'd like to make a TAC list and theres a bunch of those in our locals so I'd like to be prepared.

Skytyrant is in the Leviathan book, as well as the rules for Mucoloids, Tyrannocytes, Toxicrenes, Maleceptors, Sporecyst and a bunch of other formations.

A standard start to a Leviathan TAC list is

3 x Flying Hive Tyrants with 2 x TL Devourers and Electrogrubs (haywire templates)
Malonthrope (Venomthrope if you aren't allowed FW)
Then either 3 x Swarms of Deep striking rippers
or 3 x Mucoloids, depending on your preference, points range, missions being used etc.

After that there are Crones if you want more FMC's and face a lot of Mech/Knights etc
Mawlocs if you face lots of infantry and they are useful in Maelstrom.
Dakkafexes (especially in pods) are a solid TAC unit.


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tag8833 wrote:

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Eldercaveman wrote:
Could you not put the Hive Tyrant at the front, and jink when he is shot at, for a 2+ cover save with Malonthrope support?

With only 4 wounds that is a dangerous proposition.

With a 2+ cover and 2+ LOS it shouldn't be to hard to keep him safe. Maybe Regen would tie in nicely with this tactic.

 syypher wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 syypher wrote:

 Iechine wrote:
Shield of Baal: Leviathan

Leviathan Formation: 3HQ 3 Troops everything else normal CAD, may reroll IB
Skytyrant: Flyrant with 2x gargoyle units, acts as a unit and you may LoS! on a 2+ but the Flyrant may never swoop.

AWE SNAP I THINK I JUST FOUND WHAT IMA BE PLAYING!!!! NIDS!!!! (Been tossing around ideas of Tau or Eldar too)

Thanks Lechine. That sounds awesome Where would I find the Skytyrant formation? I need to have all the books present to use the formations/ etc. at my locals.


Another topic.. we have a lot of Tau and Eldar players. Any advice on what units are good vs them? I'd like to make a TAC list and theres a bunch of those in our locals so I'd like to be prepared.

Skytyrant is in the Leviathan book, as well as the rules for Mucoloids, Tyrannocytes, Toxicrenes, Maleceptors, Sporecyst and a bunch of other formations.

A standard start to a Leviathan TAC list is

3 x Flying Hive Tyrants with 2 x TL Devourers and Electrogrubs (haywire templates)
Malonthrope (Venomthrope if you aren't allowed FW)
Then either 3 x Swarms of Deep striking rippers
or 3 x Mucoloids, depending on your preference, points range, missions being used etc.

After that there are Crones if you want more FMC's and face a lot of Mech/Knights etc
Mawlocs if you face lots of infantry and they are useful in Maelstrom.
Dakkafexes (especially in pods) are a solid TAC unit.


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tag8833 wrote:

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Eldercaveman wrote:
Could you not put the Hive Tyrant at the front, and jink when he is shot at, for a 2+ cover save with Malonthrope support?

With only 4 wounds that is a dangerous proposition.

With a 2+ cover and 2+ LOS it shouldn't be to hard to keep him safe. Maybe Regen would tie in nicely with this tactic.

Thank you for the template. Is there any anti-Eldar or Tau models that give a leg up to the Nids player? Lictors? Dakkafexes? Dimachaeron?

rigeld2 wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
Hard to say without seeing the turn by turn...and hindsight is 20/20...but I would have killed all that plasma with flyrants and plowed forward to asault the tank with the fexes...running instead of shooting even for a turn or so

I think what may have done me in was the fact that I deployed first, and only deployed my Flyrants. My plan was to make his huge cannon useless for as long as possible, but that didn't take into account the lack of much LoS blocking terrain.

I'm thinking I did okay with what I had, but I may have overreacted to the firepower that thing could put out... plus the Skyfire objective was a game changer.

 syypher wrote:
That's great! Thanks I love the way Mawlocs look too so that's awesome.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
Hard to say without seeing the turn by turn...and hindsight is 20/20...but I would have killed all that plasma with flyrants and plowed forward to asault the tank with the fexes...running instead of shooting even for a turn or so

I think what may have done me in was the fact that I deployed first, and only deployed my Flyrants. My plan was to make his huge cannon useless for as long as possible, but that didn't take into account the lack of much LoS blocking terrain.

I'm thinking I did okay with what I had, but I may have overreacted to the firepower that thing could put out... plus the Skyfire objective was a game changer.

Sounds like the dice just turned against you. Without Skyfire or if the game ended earlier you would have had it won, right?

luke1705 wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:

luke1705 wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:
Dunno how much you guys are keeping up with the cron thread, but quantum shielding is unchanged, it's not all sides as was initially reported.

Those wraiths though...that's just dirty. They make me feel funny, and I like it.

Haha I know right?! This isn't the thread for it, but wraithwing is BACK baby! Not that I ever left it haha. Definitely not so sure that barges are as auto-take as they once were. Jinking is now a real decision that actually greatly lowers damage output.

Back to Nids, I was able to attend a local rtt this past weekend down in Somerville, NJ and man was it a blast! I filled in at the last moment for someone else due to the inclement weather and I'm really glad I did. It was labeled as a LVO prep tournament and I believe it! I played against serpent spam in the first round, daemons allied with leviathan in the second round, and against Nick Nanavati in the finals (apologies if I've butchered his name). Also got to meet Sean Nayden and see his updated #lictorshame list firsthand (beautifully-painted army by the way).

Though I'm not attending the LVO this year, I would definitely bring the list that I brought here if I was, which was: (in shorthand)

4 Flyrants
3 mucolids
5 single Lictor squads
Malanthrope
Bastion w/comms
2 Mawlocs
3 DS ripper squads

A quick recap of the games I played:

Spoiler:

First round was against a new player running 5 serpents and a wraithknight (I know he had other stuff but I can't recall what), and we had less time to play because we arrived late and were sticking to the schedule, but he did manage to seize on me and get first blood on one of my hive tyrants through 2+ cover (what is cover, Eldar ask?). However, Flyrants really do just get exponentially better the more of them you take because they can just murder everything. Even wave serpents as long as you don't roll ones (which I didn't do a great job of tbh but it worked out well enough). Took the game 8-1 using the BAO missions, which will also be used at the LVO.

Second round against the Daemons/Nids player was odd because I just couldn't forge the narrative. Why are Flyrants shooting at Flyrants?? Both of our dice were hot early so first blood wasn't managed until bottom of 3 (seriously) but I finally got it and took that game 9-1. He didn't start summoning early enough to keep up with the maelstrom objectives I was pumping out and it was the scouring so he conceded at the bottom of 4. Fateweaver did manage to stay off the board enough to avoid giving up warlord. So sneaky!

Last round was against Nick and man his list was nuts. It was pure Daemons and I won't spoil it because I don't think he'll change much for the LVO but man. I was never left with a good decision and I messed up in a key situation late game, thinking that horrors that he had were summoned rather than his actual OS troops, plus forgetting that I could Mawloc my own guys to end a combat early enough to kill off his guys. Definitely could have been able to tie if I had played that right, but that's what happens when you go up against a GT winner. A mistake or two will cost you. Still a great game and had a blast. Didn't wind up placing due to battle points, but it was a great time nonetheless.

Sounds like a good showing! Do you happen to remember the general scheme of the DaemoNids player's list? I've been running Daemons + Leviathan lately, and it's been a lot of fun.

I'd also love to here what Nick is running out of curiosity, but alas, let's not spoil it.

The Daemonid player was running just the barebones leviathan with 3 Flyrants and 3 mucolids (he did have EGrubs on them). He ran screamerstar with 3 heralds, 2 min squads of nurglings, fate weaver and a bastion. Off the top of my head that is right around 1850; might have had an odd upgrade here or there.

Nick's Daemon list honestly might be the best list in the game right now. I will gladly start talking about what we as Nids can do to combat it once LVO is finished, but I mean I did the math haha. There aren't a lot of good options other than hope that saves start failing/Grimoire fails (which with the Fatey re-roll in a pinch is quite unlikely)

 Ratius wrote:
Looking for some advice guys on Nids VS AV13 and above, Land Raiders, Bunkers, frontal armor on heavies, Preds etc.
Leaving aside getting into combat and trying rear armor hits (which fail VS bunkers/LRs) what do you recommend without picking something fairly whacky or throwing a spanner in an army build?

 Ratius wrote:
But dakkafexes are str 6 no? So VS LRs they dont work? And VS frontal AV13 too?

Eldercaveman wrote:
So how are we going to deal with the new Wraithwing?

 Ratius wrote:
Ah ok gotcha.
Im taking it Tyrannofexes with the big gun is too unreliable overall? 2 shots at BS3 etc?