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Very happy with what I've seen so far...maybe our next Codex will not be totally weak, and sad. Hopefully they can BB so I can build a Nid list, then toss in 600 points of Cultist, and feel good in the morning.

Stealer with Stealth, Shrouding, and Hit and Run...yet no Grenades... Better than nothing, but still lacking...I suppose if they are Invisable, then it's not that much of a problem...

I admit that I haven't been keeping up with the rumours lately as I have been busy working on my LVO and other battle reports to be coming out soon.

However, I did hear this from my friend iNcontrol:

"Gene cult is 600 point formation that infiltrates 1 inch away and assaults turn 1 hhahahaha"

Any truth to that?




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Also, if anyone have links to the rumours or perhaps leaks to the new rules with regards to the Tyranid side of things, feel free to post the links here so everyone can enjoy (but better to do it in the Spoilers for any leaked pics). Thanks.

 jy2 wrote:
I admit that I haven't been keeping up with the rumours lately as I have been busy working on my LVO and other battle reports to be coming out soon.

However, I did hear this from my friend iNcontrol:

"Gene cult is 600 point formation that infiltrates 1 inch away and assaults turn 1 hhahahaha"

Any truth to that?




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Also, if anyone have links to the rumours or perhaps leaks to the new rules with regards to the Tyranid side of things, feel free to post the links here so everyone can enjoy (but better to do it in the Spoilers for any leaked pics). Thanks.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/510

In short, yes and no. The whole formation gets infiltrate, stealth and shrouded (shrouded only turn 1 and only if they actually infiltrate). The patriarch gives the whole formation fearless as well.

The whole 1" charge thing is awesome but limited in scope. The patriarch and purestrain genestealers (a 2 model unit which are what genestealers should have been - actually quite good) can infiltrate up until 1" away from the enemy. Only the patriarch and 2 purestrain genestealers can do this, but the rest of the army is allowed to infiltrate and charge after infiltration, so that is pretty dope.

As much as I (and others I suspect) are ready and rearing to start a stealer shock list, the squad size for the genestealers is oddly limiting. The cult models, overall, have some pretty awesome special rules and I expect them to definitely be viable (even competitive, I daresay) once the broodkin codex drops (whenever that may be)

Cool. Thanks, I'll check them out.

The turn 1, 1 inch deploy anywhere for the Patriarch and Purestrains is still nice even if the unit is small. It's a good sign for things to come for Tyranids, could be a sign of a competitive maximum threat overload army which would also match up nicely with fluff.

I think even if the Patriarch has to be in a unit of 3 pretty squishy models (albeit with 2+ cover save probably) to deploy 1" away, it's still a very very nice threat to have on hand. The enemy won't be able to drop units away from the main body of their force on objective on pain of being mauled by the genes - thereby altering how they deploy.

Benlisted wrote:
I think even if the Patriarch has to be in a unit of 3 pretty squishy models (albeit with 2+ cover save probably) to deploy 1" away, it's still a very very nice threat to have on hand. The enemy won't be able to drop units away from the main body of their force on objective on pain of being mauled by the genes - thereby altering how they deploy.

I feel this will change when the full codex drops and we might see something like this but with more genestealers.....which would make my year.

 Solosam47 wrote:

Benlisted wrote:
I think even if the Patriarch has to be in a unit of 3 pretty squishy models (albeit with 2+ cover save probably) to deploy 1" away, it's still a very very nice threat to have on hand. The enemy won't be able to drop units away from the main body of their force on objective on pain of being mauled by the genes - thereby altering how they deploy.

I feel this will change when the full codex drops and we might see something like this but with more genestealers.....which would make my year.

Year? It would make my decade

 luke1705 wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:

Benlisted wrote:
I think even if the Patriarch has to be in a unit of 3 pretty squishy models (albeit with 2+ cover save probably) to deploy 1" away, it's still a very very nice threat to have on hand. The enemy won't be able to drop units away from the main body of their force on objective on pain of being mauled by the genes - thereby altering how they deploy.

I feel this will change when the full codex drops and we might see something like this but with more genestealers.....which would make my year.

Year? It would make my decade

Me too.. there's no guarantee there will be a full dex though. Did admech or any of the other smaller releases happen in this way? Ie. is there any precedent for them releasing a whole faction in WD then later going back with a Dex.

This is basically what happened with the Harlequins and the Assassins IIRC.

I'm excited to try the potential sling shots that can occur with the models that can get within the 12" limit.

The easiest to accomplish will be the two ICs and the patriarch attached to the two pure breeds. Magus and prime are as close as they can get. They move forward their 6" and join the pure strain who are stretched forward with the patriarch attached in the middle. Even being at 18" from a target unit, 6" move, unit spread out as much as you can, units being 1" wide, you can spread out and be a manageable 4-5" charge.

A much riskier version would be a squad of ravenors in your deployment zone that move 12" forward, the two ITC models spread out ahead of them adding around 6", then the Patriarch in front. It would be a longer charge unless the enemy were right on the edge of their deployment zone, but it would be an interesting way to sling shot fast units into combat.

 seapheonix wrote:
I'm excited to try the potential sling shots that can occur with the models that can get within the 12" limit.

The easiest to accomplish will be the two ICs and the patriarch attached to the two pure breeds. Magus and prime are as close as they can get. They move forward their 6" and join the pure strain who are stretched forward with the patriarch attached in the middle. Even being at 18" from a target unit, 6" move, unit spread out as much as you can, units being 1" wide, you can spread out and be a manageable 4-5" charge.

A much riskier version would be a squad of ravenors in your deployment zone that move 12" forward, the two ITC models spread out ahead of them adding around 6", then the Patriarch in front. It would be a longer charge unless the enemy were right on the edge of their deployment zone, but it would be an interesting way to sling shot fast units into combat.

I think that's a pretty solid idea if you're going first, but I'd rather just do it with the Broodlord/Raveners personally, so I get to use fleet. Move forward 12", then a 2" coherency and a 2" base... leaves you potentially an 8" charge to make with fleet. Not terrible. But, pricey. Oh so pricey for a trick that completely is useless if you go second.

Something I want to think about, personally, are how viable are Stealers with this new IC? The patriarch is a great choice IMO, as is the Magus. Patriarch gives stealth to a unit of whatever he's attached to, Stealers combo well with Infiltrate. It'd be very easy to conga-line shrouded onto the Stealers with a malanthrope, as well as to keep them in range of the VSG that I take. That's a lot of buffs on a unit to make them pretty resilient. Then, hit CC and you're not in a bad place at all. God help your opponent if you get Invis on the patriarch...

 jifel wrote:

 seapheonix wrote:
I'm excited to try the potential sling shots that can occur with the models that can get within the 12" limit.

The easiest to accomplish will be the two ICs and the patriarch attached to the two pure breeds. Magus and prime are as close as they can get. They move forward their 6" and join the pure strain who are stretched forward with the patriarch attached in the middle. Even being at 18" from a target unit, 6" move, unit spread out as much as you can, units being 1" wide, you can spread out and be a manageable 4-5" charge.

A much riskier version would be a squad of ravenors in your deployment zone that move 12" forward, the two ITC models spread out ahead of them adding around 6", then the Patriarch in front. It would be a longer charge unless the enemy were right on the edge of their deployment zone, but it would be an interesting way to sling shot fast units into combat.

I think that's a pretty solid idea if you're going first, but I'd rather just do it with the Broodlord/Raveners personally, so I get to use fleet. Move forward 12", then a 2" coherency and a 2" base... leaves you potentially an 8" charge to make with fleet. Not terrible. But, pricey. Oh so pricey for a trick that completely is useless if you go second.

Something I want to think about, personally, are how viable are Stealers with this new IC? The patriarch is a great choice IMO, as is the Magus. Patriarch gives stealth to a unit of whatever he's attached to, Stealers combo well with Infiltrate. It'd be very easy to conga-line shrouded onto the Stealers with a malanthrope, as well as to keep them in range of the VSG that I take. That's a lot of buffs on a unit to make them pretty resilient. Then, hit CC and you're not in a bad place at all. God help your opponent if you get Invis on the patriarch...

Or invis on the magus. Same ML2

I think that discussion will be even more enticing with the purestrain gene stealers, as I believe that some sort of assault after infiltration is going to be a thing in the basic broodkin dex as well, and applying that same shrouded (and native stealth) to a squad of say 15 purestrain gene stealers....sweet baby Jesus that is the list I've always wanted to run. The only thing that would make it better would be invisible carnifexes

Benlisted wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:

Benlisted wrote:
I think even if the Patriarch has to be in a unit of 3 pretty squishy models (albeit with 2+ cover save probably) to deploy 1" away, it's still a very very nice threat to have on hand. The enemy won't be able to drop units away from the main body of their force on objective on pain of being mauled by the genes - thereby altering how they deploy.

I feel this will change when the full codex drops and we might see something like this but with more genestealers.....which would make my year.

Year? It would make my decade

Me too.. there's no guarantee there will be a full dex though. Did admech or any of the other smaller releases happen in this way? Ie. is there any precedent for them releasing a whole faction in WD then later going back with a Dex.

Deathwatch and GC are getting harlequin size releases with respective codex, its not a full dex as in things list SM or Nids but they are more like the AD mech ones. and this has been confirmed I believe by GW.


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 luke1705 wrote:

 jifel wrote:

 seapheonix wrote:
I'm excited to try the potential sling shots that can occur with the models that can get within the 12" limit.

The easiest to accomplish will be the two ICs and the patriarch attached to the two pure breeds. Magus and prime are as close as they can get. They move forward their 6" and join the pure strain who are stretched forward with the patriarch attached in the middle. Even being at 18" from a target unit, 6" move, unit spread out as much as you can, units being 1" wide, you can spread out and be a manageable 4-5" charge.

A much riskier version would be a squad of ravenors in your deployment zone that move 12" forward, the two ITC models spread out ahead of them adding around 6", then the Patriarch in front. It would be a longer charge unless the enemy were right on the edge of their deployment zone, but it would be an interesting way to sling shot fast units into combat.

I think that's a pretty solid idea if you're going first, but I'd rather just do it with the Broodlord/Raveners personally, so I get to use fleet. Move forward 12", then a 2" coherency and a 2" base... leaves you potentially an 8" charge to make with fleet. Not terrible. But, pricey. Oh so pricey for a trick that completely is useless if you go second.

Something I want to think about, personally, are how viable are Stealers with this new IC? The patriarch is a great choice IMO, as is the Magus. Patriarch gives stealth to a unit of whatever he's attached to, Stealers combo well with Infiltrate. It'd be very easy to conga-line shrouded onto the Stealers with a malanthrope, as well as to keep them in range of the VSG that I take. That's a lot of buffs on a unit to make them pretty resilient. Then, hit CC and you're not in a bad place at all. God help your opponent if you get Invis on the patriarch...

Or invis on the magus. Same ML2

I think that discussion will be even more enticing with the purestrain gene stealers, as I believe that some sort of assault after infiltration is going to be a thing in the basic broodkin dex as well, and applying that same shrouded (and native stealth) to a squad of say 15 purestrain gene stealers....sweet baby Jesus that is the list I've always wanted to run. The only thing that would make it better would be invisible carnifexes

Im so with you on this!

To keep with the Genestealer theme, at 1k you could knock together this sort of list:

Brookin (600)

Broodlord Hunting Pack

Broodlord (ScyTals, AG, TS)
8 Genestealers
7 Genestealers
7 Genestealers

The whole army has infiltrate. Admittedly the BLHP cannot charge on T1, but there's nothing to stop you using the samller units to grab objectives, and the BL unit can follow up with a T2 charge (T1 for your opponent is going to be *very* busy anyway, so they will be a lower priority). The Patriarch and Princelings would need to be used carefully to avoid simply being wasted, but this is pretty strong in my opinion, and really (really) "in your face".

Much higher than 1k and I think effectiveness will drop, as you start to rely more and more on non-Broodkin units.

The BLHP can be held in reserve and deploy up close.

At 1500, manufactorum genestealers would be a nice 'second strike' force - lots of broodlords to The Horror people and clear away overwatch so the Patriarch can charge in without risk.

Of course, there is another option if you can face keeping track of which model is which model is which unit - the Purestrain Princes are not unique, allowing a pair of genestealers as a 30 point infiltrating elites choice..... not a completely useless idea in a maelstrom game.

A 1500 point army consisting of 50 pairs of stealers is a random one....



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The BLHP can be held in reserve and deploy up close.

At 1500, manufactorum genestealers would be a nice 'second strike' force - lots of broodlords to The Horror people and clear away overwatch so the Patriarch can charge in without risk.

Of course, there is another option if you can face keeping track of which model is which model is which unit - the Purestrain Princes are not unique, allowing a pair of genestealers as a 30 point infiltrating elites choice..... not a completely useless idea in a maelstrom game.

A 1500 point army consisting of 50 pairs of stealers is a random one....

 Solosam47 wrote:

Deathwatch and GC are getting harlequin size releases with respective codex, its not a full dex as in things list SM or Nids but they are more like the AD mech ones. and this has been confirmed I believe by GW.

Nothing beyond the fact that the Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult content have rules for 40k has been confirmed by GW.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:

Deathwatch and GC are getting harlequin size releases with respective codex, its not a full dex as in things list SM or Nids but they are more like the AD mech ones. and this has been confirmed I believe by GW.

Nothing beyond the fact that the Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult content have rules for 40k has been confirmed by GW.

well poop must have misread something then. Still I am keeping strong faith that we will see codex drops for them.

Lady Atia has said that there will be a codex release and she has pretty much always been spot on. I would take it as truth at this point, but the question is when? She has said "soonish". My guess would be late March or April. Definitely before whatever nonsense is happening on May 14th

 luke1705 wrote:
Lady Atia has said that there will be a codex release and she has pretty much always been spot on. I would take it as truth at this point, but the question is when? She has said "soonish". My guess would be late March or April. Definitely before whatever nonsense is happening on May 14th

She is almost always spot on.

As for time frame, I feel it will be in the summer so around may, maybe june if GW was to troll

 luke1705 wrote:
Lady Atia has said that there will be a codex release and she has pretty much always been spot on. I would take it as truth at this point, but the question is when? She has said "soonish". My guess would be late March or April. Definitely before whatever nonsense is happening on May 14th

Link to her post, please?

It's becoming more and more common for people to attribute rumors to her or Sad Panda when they've not stated such.


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 Solosam47 wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
Lady Atia has said that there will be a codex release and she has pretty much always been spot on. I would take it as truth at this point, but the question is when? She has said "soonish". My guess would be late March or April. Definitely before whatever nonsense is happening on May 14th

She is almost always spot on.

As for time frame, I feel it will be in the summer so around may, maybe june if GW was to troll

Her rumor window tends to be two weeks as she seems to have access to WD.

White dwarf picture on bell of lost souls, says the cultists are same ally matrix as tyranids. So buddy, buddy and say hello to invisible carni-star?

Although if they are a mini-dex like Harlequins, I don't think they can use Tyrannocytes, or gain shrouded from Malanthrope/Venomthrope.

I can see them not having access to tyrannocyte or bubble from venom/malanthropes. Personally I am fine with it if that's the case, but I can also see the bubble shroud being somewhat plausible to get.

 seapheonix wrote:
White dwarf picture on bell of lost souls, says the cultists are same ally matrix as tyranids. So buddy, buddy and say hello to invisible carni-star?

Although if they are a mini-dex like Harlequins, I don't think they can use Tyrannocytes, or gain shrouded from Malanthrope/Venomthrope.

It's a no go on the Thropes. They have their own faction, and you need to be faction tyranids. IIRC the tyrannocyte is the same

Figured as much, ah well.

Eh minor loss, Im still just happy as a bumblegaunt that we got some new toys!

I think if we get a new nids' dex based on 'stealers getting stealth in both the last box sets somehow, that stealth maybe part of the package. Still just getting to run a full broods of princes would be awesome.


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Anyone else think the favored disciples may actually be better than stealers as assault units. About 7 pts each, 3 attacks, pistol, rending, fearless,and GRENADES but take a hit in WS,T,and I, I would call that a better than fair trade for the about 8 point .

This box set has actually convinced me to Start Tyranids as the Genestealer formation looks just so very fun. Looking to build up a relatively fluffy but usable list for points of 1000 or 1250 and I'm wondering what I should expand into. The 2 other Genestealer formations seem ok and they do add in more genestealers but they don't add much to the army that isn't already there. I was perhaps feeling Tyranid allies of Deathleaper, The Children of Cryptus (cheaper then the hunting pack, similar rules but i don't have to invest as heavily into 'stealers), some Raveners (always loved the models, Red Terror with Ld 8 alleviates lack of synapse somewhat) and a Carnifex.

I like the idea of having just a single Carnifex, possibly the one from Deathstorm, as fluff-wise It would be my cults 'Rancor', kept in a pit beneath the cult.

On the otherhand I could get Militarum allies (Due to the formations deployment One Eye Open isn't an issue) and stock up on long ranged weapons to show the cults PDF influences. Perhaps a Wyvern or two?

Any, my question is how would you expand the Deathwatch 600pt formation to reach 1000 or 1250pts?

The 2 other Genestealer formations seem ok and they do add in more genestealers but they don't add much to the army that isn't already there.

The huntng pack doesn't, but manufactorum genestealers certainly does. You can't add extra stealers but can add broodlords - who automatically have the horror - pinning can take away overwatch and allow the patriarch's boys to strike at full initiative on the charge. Plus, more highter S models who can rend the back of tanks.

If you want extra ninjas, rending S6 and leadership penalties, Deathleaper's Assassin Brood is also potentially a good call.



For the deathwatch, take a First Company Strike Force - mix up sternguard and vanguard. This is essentially a deathwatch formation.

luke1705 wrote:

 seapheonix wrote:
White dwarf picture on bell of lost souls, says the cultists are same ally matrix as tyranids. So buddy, buddy and say hello to invisible carni-star?

Although if they are a mini-dex like Harlequins, I don't think they can use Tyrannocytes, or gain shrouded from Malanthrope/Venomthrope.

It's a no go on the Thropes. They have their own faction, and you need to be faction tyranids. IIRC the tyrannocyte is the same

Solosam47 wrote:I can see them not having access to tyrannocyte or bubble from venom/malanthropes. Personally I am fine with it if that's the case, but I can also see the bubble shroud being somewhat plausible to get.

So clearly the bubble will not work, but I am not understanding how the tyranocyte cannot transport a unit of Nids with some GSC allied ICs similar to any other transport. It does specify single unit but that has not stopped people from allowing Primes added to gants. Am I missing something in the BRB or the dataslate that allows a prime to be added but not an allied IC?

I have always liked the idea of Venomthropes in a pod, but the unit is just not tough/killy enough to drop mid field. A couple of ICs from this formation could easilly change that, and then those ICs would gain shroud.

ALEXisAWESOME wrote: I could get Militarum allies (Due to the formations deployment One Eye Open isn't an issue) and stock up on long ranged weapons to show the cults PDF influences. Perhaps a Wyvern or two?

I think this is a fluffy and fun concept, and outside of tournament events a good opponent would let you go full Battle Brothers so long as you avoided imperial specific units (like Commissars, priests, techpriests and Unique characters). I actually tried to do this with Genes and guard a few times, and well let me say I would consider skipping the Wyverns. It just makes me want to see some Ogryn hybrids hit the table.