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 Envihon wrote:
Saying Mordrak's rules are army wide, isn't 100% wrong, maybe misleading but not 100% wrong. If I would of said something like "Every rule Mordrak had exactly the way Mordrak had it is now army wide" that would be an incorrect statement. "Mordrak's rules are army wide now" is vague enough to be a correct portrayal of the new rules that the GK have but misleading at the same time but the statement still contains no specifics so it can't be 100% wrong. This is arguing semantics at this point though which has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I can admit my mistakes and I admit to the statement being misleading but not wrong. An attempt to show people that Mordrak wasn't eliminated merely had his rules taken and basically given to the whole army because Mordrak was probably the one thing that functioned like GK do in the fluff. A way to show those who are having misgivings that Mordrak was gone, that they still have the army they had in the 5th edition codex. Someone has already detailed how to make a Mordrak and even GW said that they may have been taking some of the named characters away but they were making sure that their rules were still in the codex. To have given Mordrak's exact rules to the army would have been ridiculously good and made non-GK players flip tables, people already got upset when it was just Mordrak and his Knights so this is something that I had in mind when making such a statement and something that I think that readers are also discern if they knew Mordrak's rules. I don't like to be outright condescending to people and if someone was mislead by it, to ask questions instead of flipping out and belittling other posters which makes for a distasteful conversation. I am not deliberately trying to mislead people, merely not have anyone give up one the army because of some changes when the essence of the character they liked are contained within the codex.

Oh my god, are you serious!? Why are you doing this?

Literally NONE of Mordrak's special rules are available army wide. Not his ghost friends related rules, not his auto first turn deepstrike, not his no scatter deep strike.

It's ok, you slipped up and said an entirely wrong sentence. It happens. Get over it already. I've gotten rules wrong in this forum. I've said incorrect things. I get corrected. It happens. The world keeps on spinning. It's ok. [Insert picture from the hit Disney movie 'Frozen' here, specifically from the song 'Let it Go']

Super Newb wrote:
Oh my god, are you serious!?

Literally NONE of Mordrak's special rules are available army wide. Not his ghost friends rule, not his auto first turn deepstrike, not his no scatter deep strike.

It's ok, you slipped up and said an entirely wrong sentence. It happens. Get over it already.

You see this is where one twists words to make sure that their points are the ones that come out on top. You have been splitting hairs and nit-picking every argument in order to belittle and trying to show how right you are over every one else while completely ignoring other parts of their points. I explained myself and this post here addresses nothing I said. This post might as well of said "I am entirely right and you are wrong regardless what you have to say, so agree with me and say I am right, you are wrong". You haven't contributed constructively to the conversation for quite a while but continue to degrade not only the arguments but the people themselves. I said that my sentence may have and can be misleading which is why I later fully explained my sentiments later in the post and I have explained it several times but you are the only one who continues to have a problem with it. To what end?

 Envihon wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Oh my god, are you serious!?

Literally NONE of Mordrak's special rules are available army wide. Not his ghost friends rule, not his auto first turn deepstrike, not his no scatter deep strike.

It's ok, you slipped up and said an entirely wrong sentence. It happens. Get over it already.

You see this is where one twists words to make sure that their points are the ones that come out on top. You have been splitting hairs and nit-picking every argument in order to belittle and trying to show how right you are over every one else while completely ignoring other parts of their points. I explained myself and this post here addresses nothing I said. This post might as well of said "I am entirely right and you are wrong regardless what you have to say, so agree with me and say I am right, you are wrong". You haven't contributed constructively to the conversation for quite a while but continue to degrade not only the arguments but the people themselves. I said that my sentence may have and can be misleading which is why I later fully explained my sentiments later in the post and I have explained it several times but you are the only one who continues to have a problem with it. To what end?

WHAT!? That is the least accurate summary of what has occurred. I said your comments on the "essence of Mordrak" were good. I have said quite a few times that I like the new deep striking formation in the GK dex. Go back and look and see for yourself.

Now I *also* pointed out that you said something entirely incorrect. In that first post I said I wanted to be sure no one reading this thread would get the wrong idea. Which is why I went over how your statement was wrong. And it is wrong. 100% wrong. And for some reason you are taking extreme offense to me pointing out this simple slip-up of yours. I don't know why. One of the other posters said mistakes happen. And they do. All the time, to everyone, including me. Get over it.

Dude. Literally no one cares. Let it drop.

Super Newb wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Oh my god, are you serious!?

Literally NONE of Mordrak's special rules are available army wide. Not his ghost friends rule, not his auto first turn deepstrike, not his no scatter deep strike.

It's ok, you slipped up and said an entirely wrong sentence. It happens. Get over it already.

You see this is where one twists words to make sure that their points are the ones that come out on top. You have been splitting hairs and nit-picking every argument in order to belittle and trying to show how right you are over every one else while completely ignoring other parts of their points. I explained myself and this post here addresses nothing I said. This post might as well of said "I am entirely right and you are wrong regardless what you have to say, so agree with me and say I am right, you are wrong". You haven't contributed constructively to the conversation for quite a while but continue to degrade not only the arguments but the people themselves. I said that my sentence may have and can be misleading which is why I later fully explained my sentiments later in the post and I have explained it several times but you are the only one who continues to have a problem with it. To what end?

WHAT!? That is the least accurate summary of what has occurred. I said your comments on the "essence of Mordrak" were good. I have said quite a few times that I like the new deep striking formation in the GK dex. Go back and look and see for yourself.

Now I *also* pointed out that you said something entirely incorrect. In that first post I said I wanted to be sure no one reading this thread would get the wrong idea. Which is why I went over how your statement was wrong. And it is wrong. 100% wrong. And for some reason you are taking extreme offense to me pointing out this simple slip-up of yours. I don't know why. One of the other posters said mistakes happen. And they do. All the time, to everyone, including me. Get over it.

I have looked on the past comments, and most of your comments have been frankly, insulting quips back and forth to people. I am also not the only one to call you out for your behavior. It is not what you said but how you said it. A lot of your posts have been insulting. I am not taking offense to what you said but how you said it and the way you point it out which only contributes to escalate the situation instead of having a civil conversation on the pros and cons of a codex.

You are still arguing semantics and I still do not believe that my statement was not "100% wrong" but it did in fact, need more clarification when I say that Mordrak's rules were still in the book and army wide. Previously in the post, I pointed out why the modification was needed for those rules and why with what they did with the rules, why they couldn't just make a carbon copy of Mordrak's rules, again, you ignored that post which was a previous clarification before these latest serious of posts. I don't know why it upsets you to have it phrased that way. I simply wanted to convey that Mordrak and his strategy are basically still in the codex. That is all. How this lead you to have the reaction you had, still escapes me. I can understand pointing it out or asking for clarification but frankly, many of your responses to me and other people is uncalled for.

Super Newb wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Oh my god, are you serious!?

Literally NONE of Mordrak's special rules are available army wide. Not his ghost friends rule, not his auto first turn deepstrike, not his no scatter deep strike.

It's ok, you slipped up and said an entirely wrong sentence. It happens. Get over it already.

You see this is where one twists words to make sure that their points are the ones that come out on top. You have been splitting hairs and nit-picking every argument in order to belittle and trying to show how right you are over every one else while completely ignoring other parts of their points. I explained myself and this post here addresses nothing I said. This post might as well of said "I am entirely right and you are wrong regardless what you have to say, so agree with me and say I am right, you are wrong". You haven't contributed constructively to the conversation for quite a while but continue to degrade not only the arguments but the people themselves. I said that my sentence may have and can be misleading which is why I later fully explained my sentiments later in the post and I have explained it several times but you are the only one who continues to have a problem with it. To what end?

WHAT!? That is the least accurate summary of what has occurred. I said your comments on the "essence of Mordrak" were good. I have said quite a few times that I like the new deep striking formation in the GK dex. Go back and look and see for yourself.

Now I *also* pointed out that you said something entirely incorrect. In that first post I said I wanted to be sure no one reading this thread would get the wrong idea. Which is why I went over how your statement was wrong. And it is wrong. 100% wrong. And for some reason you are taking extreme offense to me pointing out this simple slip-up of yours. I don't know why. One of the other posters said mistakes happen. And they do. All the time, to everyone, including me. Get over it.

Agreed, you corrected him on an incorrect statement, what the hell is with this alphadog crap, that is contributing to keeping the thread moving positively towards an accurate discussion. Some people need to just accept that they said something incorrect and keep it moving from there. It's not you making a big deal about this, its quite clearly that guy.

 Psienesis wrote:
Dude. Literally no one cares. Let it drop.

Agreed, on both sides. I think most understood the essence of what Envihon was saying, before S. Newb jumped all over it, haranguing yet another poster.

Overall, this is a good book about Grey Knights, as Grey Knights have some interest back and it is no longer a horrendous mish mash of poorly defined concepts shoved together into one book. That is "overall", not unqualified as others will insinuate was said - I do dislike loss of MOrdrak, but it was to be expected (anyone who couldnt see this was a tidy up coming a mile off, meaning dropping non-modelled characters, was very naive / ill informed, or just didnt think too much about it) and same for Thawn (had models converted for both, and an army initially built around Mordrak, yet i STILL like this book - guess that makes me odd, according to some) BUT know that *he can return* - and wont have to wait for a new codex. Theyre model led, as a company, so if someone comes up with a cool sculpt, they can add him in without waiting for 5 years to do it. Thats a *good thing*

Its a strong book, with every unit viable - PAGK definitely have their place, and not just with interceptors. Purifiers got a buff (ML2, cleansing flame hitting everyone in combat and out within 9" and not just confined to combat any longer) to go with their nerf (no DS, but can be fixed with SW...., psycannon salvo) and with two complimentary force orgs to use - CAD or Nemesis work very well. Once tournaments get over the "one detachment!!!!" panic, and embrace multiples as they should be doing, you could well see this (OS PAGK holding the line while termies DS in first turn with a reroll? Hells yes) happening.

Its a fun book. its gotten me to play my all foot terminator army again, but ive succumbed and bougth a LRR as it fits how I see this army going. I am sad about Mordrak, loved the guy (won me more than a few games, as people just couldnt cope with c1k points (with 2 DK) being in their deployment zone turn 1, even if it didnt really shoot you that well!) and thawn was a laugh - again, kept getting back up (with me going second) to deny a DW player the win by hogging an objective most of a game in 5th, but I can cope and move on. It was all expected, so I was prepared for it.

If you really, really dont want to be "forced" into paying more - then dont. PLay with the 5th ed codex. If other people dont let you, thats not really GWs fault.

What on earth is the matter with correcting someone putting incorrect information out there? Or is it just because you stand on the side of the fence that Envihon sits on? Because thats genuinely what it sounds like. "I'll argue my perspective to the death in this thread - wait whats that? Someone pointed out a mistake in the logic we are pursuing? Dude, nobody cares about that, this thread is all about how CORRECT we are, we don't need our MISTAKES pointed out by people who DISAGREE with our opinion !"

There isnt anything the matter with pointing out errors - the way it was done was the problem. AS is clear, if you actually read through the posts from S newb coldly.

Your bias is funny to watch, it really is. S Newbs responses overall havent been great, but because theyre on "your" side you seem to see no issue. I've said there is an issue on both sides, and yet you still insinuate more bias....

Dont "quote" your made up, fabulously inaccurate opinions, thanks.

 SHUPPET wrote:
What on earth is the matter with correcting someone putting incorrect information out there? Or is it just because you stand on the side of the fence that Envihon sits on? Because thats genuinely what it sounds like. "I'll argue my perspective to the death in this thread - wait whats that? Someone pointed out a mistake in the logic we are pursuing? Dude, nobody cares about that, this thread is all about how CORRECT we are, we don't need our MISTAKES pointed out by people who DISAGREE with our opinion !"

There is nothing wrong with it, as I said in my last post which you conveniently ignored so that you could still make a "point". I pointed out that it was the way he has been conducting himself and the way he has been saying things that have been a bother. It became clear that he doesn't want to have a discussion but just prove how right he is which he did in an ungraceful manner that insults people. I corrected and clarified what I said which doesn't make someone "100% wrong", just that I made a vague, possibly misleading statement but he continued to insist that I was "100% wrong" in order to show how right he actually was. There is quite a difference in pointing out something and doing what Super Newb was doing. There is no getting around that.

You accuse someone else about having a bias because we are on the same side of the argument but it is easily turned around on you as well. This wasn't even an issue about the original post but how someone acting distastefully spiraled the conversation our of control and by making posts like this, you are only contributing to it. Again, I ask, to what end?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
There isnt anything the matter with pointing out errors - the way it was done was the problem. AS is clear, if you actually read through the posts from S newb coldly.

Your bias is funny to watch, it really is. S Newbs responses overall havent been great, but because theyre on "your" side you seem to see no issue. I've said there is an issue on both sides, and yet you still insinuate more bias....

Dont "quote" your made up, fabulously inaccurate opinions, thanks.

How is it a "side"? Yes, I stand on the side of accurate discussion, the guy said something completely wrong and was corrected on it. I'm not even following this thread to the point that I know how any of you feel about the greater debate between good codex or not, all I saw was the argument about Mordraks special rules, in which someone made a statement and was corrected, but apparently doing this makes you a negative contributor for going against the grain. Your post just further reinforces this, by projecting a bunch of crap on to me that I'm not even sure what it is in reference to. Whatever, you guys are fully right about whichever "side" you stand on and whatever your opinions are, fact is the crap spouted about Mordrak needed correcting.

Sigh

Again, yes, it needed correcting. I even stated that there isnt anything wrong with correcting errors, in the post you quoted but clearly didnt digest.

What was wrong was the way it was corrected. Which, again, I stated, but you didnt take in (or rather, nothing in your above post gives any clue that you understood the difference, which is all I can go on in making this assessment) in that post due to this statement "fact is the crap spouted about Mordrak needed correcting."

Nobody disputed that. The poster who made the comment didnt dispute it - although would probably suggest your pejorative was more insulting than helpful, as do I - however the FACT is they *way* the correction made was rude, condescending, and against rule 1.

The fact you dont seem to see that suggests some bias on your point, and the fact you havent really followed the thread just increases your chance of bias or error.

I just wished they had given us a Dreadnaught Kit at least, with the option for the Nemesis Force Weapons.
We may even house rule that with our group using Dreadknight Weapons.

 SHUPPET wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
There isnt anything the matter with pointing out errors - the way it was done was the problem. AS is clear, if you actually read through the posts from S newb coldly.

Your bias is funny to watch, it really is. S Newbs responses overall havent been great, but because theyre on "your" side you seem to see no issue. I've said there is an issue on both sides, and yet you still insinuate more bias....

Dont "quote" your made up, fabulously inaccurate opinions, thanks.

How is it a "side"? Yes, I stand on the side of accurate discussion, the guy said something completely wrong and was corrected on it. I'm not even following this thread to the point that I know how any of you feel about the greater debate between good codex or not, all I saw was the argument about Mordraks special rules, in which someone made a statement and was corrected, but apparently doing this makes you a negative contributor for going against the grain. Your post just further reinforces this, by projecting a bunch of crap on to me that I'm not even sure what it is in reference to. Whatever, you guys are fully right about whichever "side" you stand on and whatever your opinions are, fact is the crap spouted about Mordrak needed correcting.

Apparently your bolded statements are very controversial in this thread. I don't know why, it's like I'm in Bizarro world. One where correcting a simple mistake (while even agreeing with the guy's larger point on deep striking!!! lol) somehow leads to ridiculous push back. Sad really...


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 Anpu42 wrote:
I just wished they had given us a Dreadnaught Kit at least, with the option for the Nemesis Force Weapons.
We may even house rule that with our group using Dreadknight Weapons.

Fun idea.

Yeah, at least an add on kit or something would've been nice. But instead, sadly, they nerfed the dreadnaughts points-wise (and of course took away psybolts). The big buff to DKs makes up for that some though.

Its not that you corrected him, its that you were a bit of a jerk while doing so. And he really didn't mean Mordraks rules were literally copy pasted, he just meant the spirit of his rules were.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its not that you corrected him, its that you were a bit of a jerk while doing so. And he really didn't mean Mordraks rules were literally copy pasted, he just meant the spirit of his rules were.

Quoting is our friend.

 Envihon wrote:
Mordrak's mechanics are still in the game, only now they have been made army wide.

Here comes my rude response. GOD I am such a jerk:

Super Newb wrote:
Environ, it's not the exact same mechanic. Mordrak always came down turn 1 with no scatter. No one can do that now, well an hq can if you get the right warlord trait but that's it.

Anyway, the Nemisis Strike Force detachment is great, I agree with you there. Running and shooting after deep striking is very nice and of course so is coming down on turn 1 on a 3+.

Super Newb wrote:
Apparently your bolded statements are very controversial in this thread. I don't know why, it's like I'm in Bizarro world. One where correcting a simple mistake (while even agreeing with the guy's larger point on deep striking!!! lol) somehow leads to ridiculous push back. Sad really...

Actually the issue is that id someone seem to disagree with you your responses to us [weather you mean are not] come across like you are calling ignorant children and you know "Better Than Us".
I don't know if you intend to be this way, but this is how you sound. it has nothing to do with your rules interpretation, you opinion of the Book. It is just an attitude issue.
I love a good debate, but you keep making it "Yes I Know What I am/Now What You Are" style Arguments.

 Anpu42 wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Apparently your bolded statements are very controversial in this thread. I don't know why, it's like I'm in Bizarro world. One where correcting a simple mistake (while even agreeing with the guy's larger point on deep striking!!! lol) somehow leads to ridiculous push back. Sad really...

Actually the issue is that id someone seem to disagree with you your responses to us [weather you mean are not] come across like you are calling ignorant children and you know "Better Than Us".

You must not have been reading this thread recently. Guy writes false statement. Twice (days apart). I correct him twice. Guy has massive problems with being corrected (most specifically my claim that his statement was 100% wrong, which it actually is. Luckily his actual meaning he wanted to convey is now in this thread, where he talks about the 'essence' of Mordrak lists, lucky no lurkers will get the wrong idea about the new GK and deep striking rules. All should be well. Unluckily he still has massive problems that he was simply corrected. I don't know why. It is not behavior anyone should emulate in these forums. Yet because of blinders and 'sides' some people can't see that I guess.

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Apparently your bolded statements are very controversial in this thread. I don't know why, it's like I'm in Bizarro world. One where correcting a simple mistake (while even agreeing with the guy's larger point on deep striking!!! lol) somehow leads to ridiculous push back. Sad really...

Actually the issue is that id someone seem to disagree with you your responses to us [weather you mean are not] come across like you are calling ignorant children and you know "Better Than Us".

You must not have been reading this thread recently. Guy writes false statement. Twice (days apart). I correct him twice. Guy has massive problems with being corrected (most specifically my claim that his statement was 100% wrong, which it actually is. Luckily his actual meaning he wanted to convey is now in this thread, where he talks about the 'essence' of Mordrak lists, lucky no lurkers will get the wrong idea about the new GK and deep striking rules. All should be well. Unluckily he still has massive problems that he was simply corrected. I don't know why. It is not behavior anyone should emulate in these forums. Yet because of blinders and 'sides' some people can't see that I guess.

Yes I have been following it. My Comments have Nothing to do with the Rules Statements, NOTHING!
It was HOW you did it.

 Anpu42 wrote:
Yes I have been following it. My Comments have Nothing to do with the Rules Statements, NOTHING!
It was HOW you did it.

Did you scroll up and see what I replied to Grey Templar? Did that offend you? No, of course not, I was super nice there, the first time I corrected your friend. I was all business the second time, which you are welcome to quote and show exactly what was so bad about it (saying words need to be precise is bad maybe?). But it was the second time. The second time he said a literally false statement about the rules. After being corrected on it before. In the grand scheme of things that is not bad at all. And of course is FAR BETTER than having a massive inappropriate reaction to being corrected - which you still haven't commented on btw. This is what I am talking about with taking sides. If you weren't so concerned with sides you would easily see what the inappropriate behavior is regarding the discussion on Mordrak and his rules. And it ain't coming from me.

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Yes I have been following it. My Comments have Nothing to do with the Rules Statements, NOTHING!
It was HOW you did it.

Did you scroll up and see what I replied to Grey Templar? Did that offend you? No, of course not, I was super nice there, the first time I corrected your friend. I was all business the second time, which you are welcome to quote and show exactly what was so bad about it (saying words need to be precise is bad maybe?). But it was the second time. The second time he said a literally false statement about the rules. After being corrected on it before. In the grand scheme of things that is not bad at all. And of course is FAR BETTER than having a massive inappropriate reaction to being corrected - which you still haven't commented on btw. This is what I am talking about with taking sides. If you weren't so concerned with sides you would easily see what the inappropriate behavior is regarding the discussion on Mordrak and his rules. And it ain't coming from me.

Why don't you mind me of what you were correcting me on. I have lost it in all of the chest beating going on.

 Anpu42 wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Yes I have been following it. My Comments have Nothing to do with the Rules Statements, NOTHING!
It was HOW you did it.

Did you scroll up and see what I replied to Grey Templar? Did that offend you? No, of course not, I was super nice there, the first time I corrected your friend. I was all business the second time, which you are welcome to quote and show exactly what was so bad about it (saying words need to be precise is bad maybe?). But it was the second time. The second time he said a literally false statement about the rules. After being corrected on it before. In the grand scheme of things that is not bad at all. And of course is FAR BETTER than having a massive inappropriate reaction to being corrected - which you still haven't commented on btw. This is what I am talking about with taking sides. If you weren't so concerned with sides you would easily see what the inappropriate behavior is regarding the discussion on Mordrak and his rules. And it ain't coming from me.

Why don't you mind me of what you were correcting me on. I have lost it in all of the chest beating going on.

I don't understand what you are saying and I definitely don't understand how it relates to what I said above. Are you abruptly changing the course of the discussion? Please don't reply to one thing and start talking about something else.

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Yes I have been following it. My Comments have Nothing to do with the Rules Statements, NOTHING!
It was HOW you did it.

Did you scroll up and see what I replied to Grey Templar? Did that offend you? No, of course not, I was super nice there, the first time I corrected your friend. I was all business the second time, which you are welcome to quote and show exactly what was so bad about it (saying words need to be precise is bad maybe?). But it was the second time. The second time he said a literally false statement about the rules. After being corrected on it before. In the grand scheme of things that is not bad at all. And of course is FAR BETTER than having a massive inappropriate reaction to being corrected - which you still haven't commented on btw. This is what I am talking about with taking sides. If you weren't so concerned with sides you would easily see what the inappropriate behavior is regarding the discussion on Mordrak and his rules. And it ain't coming from me.

Why don't you mind me of what you were correcting me on. I have lost it in all of the chest beating going on.

I don't understand what you are saying and I definitely don't understand how it relates to what I said above. Are you abruptly changing the course of the discussion? Please don't reply to one thing and start talking about something else.

You said I did not Address something, I just asked what did I not address?

 Anpu42 wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Yes I have been following it. My Comments have Nothing to do with the Rules Statements, NOTHING!
It was HOW you did it.

Did you scroll up and see what I replied to Grey Templar? Did that offend you? No, of course not, I was super nice there, the first time I corrected your friend. I was all business the second time, which you are welcome to quote and show exactly what was so bad about it (saying words need to be precise is bad maybe?). But it was the second time. The second time he said a literally false statement about the rules. After being corrected on it before. In the grand scheme of things that is not bad at all. And of course is FAR BETTER than having a massive inappropriate reaction to being corrected - which you still haven't commented on btw. This is what I am talking about with taking sides. If you weren't so concerned with sides you would easily see what the inappropriate behavior is regarding the discussion on Mordrak and his rules. And it ain't coming from me.

Why don't you mind me of what you were correcting me on. I have lost it in all of the chest beating going on.

I don't understand what you are saying and I definitely don't understand how it relates to what I said above. Are you abruptly changing the course of the discussion? Please don't reply to one thing and start talking about something else.

You said I did not Address something, I just asked what did I not address?

Wait what? Seriously? Unfortunately the last bunch of posts in this thread have been about a certain someone who had a massive inappropriate reaction to being corrected. Which is why I said that in the post above immediately prior to the part you bolded. That is not about you, unless you have two dakka accounts, which I doubt you do. My point is, for some unknown reason, it is 'bad' to correct someone yet the inappropriate response to being corrected is ignored by you and others. Correct info is actually a good thing (especially when false info is stated again after the first correction). Inappropriately responding to a correction is not good. It is actually very very bad. But you wouldn't know it by reading this thread. If this thread was the only thing to go on, one has a god-given right to be massively offended by a simple correction.

Why the heck am I even talking about this still? It blows my mind this is going on.

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Yes I have been following it. My Comments have Nothing to do with the Rules Statements, NOTHING!
It was HOW you did it.

Did you scroll up and see what I replied to Grey Templar? Did that offend you? No, of course not, I was super nice there, the first time I corrected your friend. I was all business the second time, which you are welcome to quote and show exactly what was so bad about it (saying words need to be precise is bad maybe?). But it was the second time. The second time he said a literally false statement about the rules. After being corrected on it before. In the grand scheme of things that is not bad at all. And of course is FAR BETTER than having a massive inappropriate reaction to being corrected - which you still haven't commented on btw. This is what I am talking about with taking sides. If you weren't so concerned with sides you would easily see what the inappropriate behavior is regarding the discussion on Mordrak and his rules. And it ain't coming from me.

Why don't you mind me of what you were correcting me on. I have lost it in all of the chest beating going on.

I don't understand what you are saying and I definitely don't understand how it relates to what I said above. Are you abruptly changing the course of the discussion? Please don't reply to one thing and start talking about something else.

You said I did not Address something, I just asked what did I not address?

Wait what? Seriously? Unfortunately the last bunch of posts in this thread have been about a certain someone who had a massive inappropriate reaction to being corrected. Which is why I said that in the post above immediately prior to the part you bolded. That is not about you, unless you have two dakka accounts, which I doubt you do. My point is, for some unknown reason, it is 'bad' to correct someone yet the inappropriate response to being corrected is ignored by you and others. Correct info is actually a good thing (especially when false info is stated again after the first correction). Inappropriately responding to a correction is not good. It is actually very very bad. But you wouldn't know it by reading this thread. If this thread was the only thing to go on, one has a god-given right to be massively offended by a simple correction.

Why the heck am I even talking about this still? It blows my mind this is going on.

Again you Quoted me and then put that question in. If you quote someone you are talking to them unless you state otherwise, at least that is how most of us understand it.
Maybe this understanding can be fixed with how you make your statements. Us things like @Anpu42 or removing my name from the Quote.

I'm at a loss for words Anpu. My post was clearly not about you. See mentions to "your friend", me repeatedly saying 'he' and not 'you' and *all* the context or explicit statements referencing someone else regarding: Mordrak's rules and the correction there of. I just can't even.

Point is you're chewing me out, even though Envihon behaved in a very inappropriate, thread destroying manner. All because of a simple correction which blows my mind. All I wanted was clarity, for people to know Mordrak's rules aren't actually army-wide. And that humble goal was met with extreme push back, by Envihon, and then less extreme push back, but still push back from the likes of Grey Templar, that n guy I ended up ignoring and you. Why? I don't know. But I am not going to comment on my correction of Mordrak's rules anymore. Because this is well beyond ridiculous right now. Good day.

Well as part of the community I still don't know what you are talking about.

Super Newb wrote:
I'm at a loss for words Anpu. My post was clearly not about you. See mentions to "your friend", me repeatedly saying 'he' and not 'you' and *all* the context or explicit statements referencing someone else regarding: Mordrak's rules and the correction there of. I just can't even.

Point is you're chewing me out, even though Envihon behaved in a very inappropriate, thread destroying manner. All because of a simple correction which blows my mind. All I wanted was clarity, for people to know Mordrak's rules aren't actually army-wide. And that humble goal was met with extreme push back, by Envihon, and then less extreme push back, but still push back from the likes of Grey Templar, that n guy I ended up ignoring and you. Why? I don't know. But I am not going to comment on my correction of Mordrak's rules anymore. Because this is well beyond ridiculous right now. Good day.

There is something we can agree on. Like I said, many of times that you seem to ignore was that I had no problem with being corrected, otherwise I wouldn't of clarified my statement and we would have been going on about another topic. My main problem was your behavior and attitude to not only me but others in this thread and your constant insistance on the point that I was a 100% wrong. If you would of been fine with just the clarification, you would of left it there and it wouldn't of gotten to this point but your constant push to have to be right about the statement and the way you have stated things in this post is what got us here. Now your attempt to turn around things and say that myself and everyone else derided the thread in order to try and save face but you have been constantly belligerent and belittling. I am sorry for my actions that lead to this but you have yet to take appropiate actions to even confirm your inappropiate behavior.

Am I the only person who didn't think the correction was actually said in such an offensive tone that it required this massive argument? No amount of telling me otherwise and accusing me of refusing to view thigs from an unbiased perspective, and that this is just my blatant bias at work, blah blah blah, can convince me otherwise. Also, im still actually unsure what exactly it is that I'm meant to be biased towards. What is the underlying debate here again?

But I guess everyone else here feels otherwise, so maybe I'm wrong. Looks to me like the whole "attitude issues" that I've yet to actually see specified in text, has just become a scapegoat for people trying to argue with SuperNewb/agree with Evilon.

But meh, this argument is pointless, and I think Ill make my exit from this thread before I too get bogged down into it any further, or witness somebody else's attempt to make me part of the scapegoat again. Have fun.

 Envihon wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
I'm at a loss for words Anpu. My post was clearly not about you. See mentions to "your friend", me repeatedly saying 'he' and not 'you' and *all* the context or explicit statements referencing someone else regarding: Mordrak's rules and the correction there of. I just can't even.

Point is you're chewing me out, even though Envihon behaved in a very inappropriate, thread destroying manner. All because of a simple correction which blows my mind. All I wanted was clarity, for people to know Mordrak's rules aren't actually army-wide. And that humble goal was met with extreme push back, by Envihon, and then less extreme push back, but still push back from the likes of Grey Templar, that n guy I ended up ignoring and you. Why? I don't know. But I am not going to comment on my correction of Mordrak's rules anymore. Because this is well beyond ridiculous right now. Good day.

There is something we can agree on. Like I said, many of times that you seem to ignore was that I had no problem with being corrected, otherwise I wouldn't of clarified my statement and we would have been going on about another topic. My main problem was your behavior and attitude to not only me but others in this thread and your constant insistance on the point that I was a 100% wrong. If you would of been fine with just the clarification, you would of left it there and it wouldn't of gotten to this point but your constant push to have to be right about the statement and the way you have stated things in this post is what got us here. Now your attempt to turn around things and say that myself and everyone else derided the thread in order to try and save face but you have been constantly belligerent and belittling. I am sorry for my actions that lead to this but you have yet to take appropiate actions to even confirm your inappropiate behavior.

This is my last response on this. You were literally 100% incorrect in your statement. Twice. This has been well demonstrated. What has also been well demonstrated is your massively inappropriate response to being corrected. For some reason saying you were 100% wrong in that sentence the second time around set you off. I don't know why, but that's what happened. You still don't accept it either which is strange. The fact that no one complained about your absurd behavior except for some drive-by 'outsider' speaks volumes. Also, odd you keep forgetting I've agreed with your larger point on the new deep strike formation. The first time I corrected you, days ago, I even agreed with you. But that kept getting ignored by you, with your inappropriate hyper focus on the fact that I said '100% wrong'. In the future, try to be a little more chill (instead of inappropriately hyper-mega defensive) when someone corrects you. Thanks.