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Huh, I'd swear it was at 11:00AM, when did they change it?

It also looks like the LoC is indeed on a 100mm base. I was kinda hoping it was gonna be that big so that I could use the extra bits to update my current LoC/FW/Daemon Prince conversion.
But if it truly is that big, using the extra heads/arms/whatever will make it look cartoonish and silly. Not 'just as planned'

 ImAGeek wrote:
[Preorders go up at 10am in each region, so you can see everything a bit early by changing it to the NZ site

That would explain why I have to wait till 1pm in Ontario. We have to wait for the west coast to be 10am.


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Lord Kragan wrote:
Huh, I'd swear it was at 11:00AM, when did they change it?

I guess you have to wait for 10am UK time. So you are what 1 hour behind them?

Unit size for screamers and flamers look the same. Rather interesting choice to list the Exalted Flamer by himself for the full price of the chariot, but then when you read his description it says "also includes bits to make...." Quick glance and your like WTF, oh, silly GW

Lord Kragan wrote:

 oni wrote:
Chickens... Chickens everywhere.

Two-headed, sword weilding chickens
Dog chickens
Chickens on a tenticle disc
Chickens you can ride

WTF is going on with AoS?

One may say that the setting has... chickened out.

But in all seriousness, tzaangors for tzeentch and gryph-hounds, and gryph-chargers. I find them awesome.

The fowl forces of chaos are at work no doubt.

We need a few overweight choc- er I mean gryph chargers for bringing in heavy weapons such as catapults.

If we're doing oversized birds then I hope for the storm drake from Dark Souls 3. It even comes with it's own Stormcast already.

http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Dark-Souls-3/the_nameless_king_trophy.PNG

Chopxsticks wrote:
Unit size for screamers and flamers look the same. Rather interesting choice to list the Exalted Flamer by himself for the full price of the chariot, but then when you read his description it says "also includes bits to make...." Quick glance and your like WTF, oh, silly GW

They have to make it clear so when little Timmy says he wants an 'Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch', mummy and daddy know what to order

I see it, the celestant prime is getting a new mount. Expect an ultra-giga-baroque deisgn!

In other news I'm kind of interested in making disciples of tzeentch. Unless Battletome SE 2nd ed has rules to make Hamilcar bear eater I'm making them.

Could they be changing prices to fit certain brackets? I'm still curious as to why the price increases as they seem somewhat arbitrary.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Could they be changing prices to fit certain brackets? I'm still curious as to why the price increases as they seem somewhat arbitrary.

Gotta say yes, specially because it didn't really follow the trend made even in this release window (I mean, look at skyfires and acolytes versus their equivalents from other armies)

Then again I wasn't planning on buying many daemons aside from the start collecing's and a box of screamers. I prefer tzaangors and what the net has now called the "Roidrage Traumaturge".

25% increase on Flamers and Screamers for... what?

Thanks Obam... uhh... GW. You sure are 'getting better'. All the social media stuff (behind a paywall) makes up for years of price rises and this new one.

Lord Kragan wrote:
what the net has now called the "Roidrage Traumaturge".

Oh hey, that caught on? Neat.

Was a joke about how much focus this Tzeentch range has on burly buff models, and in particular all the Thaumaturge's abilities focusing around rage and smashing things.

Plus, just look at that art piece where it's standing atop a mountain of corpses tearing out a Stormcast's heart with it's bare hand.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
25% increase on Flamers and Screamers for... what?

Thanks Obam... uhh... GW. You sure are 'getting better'. All the social media stuff (behind a paywall) makes up for years of price rises and this new one.

Yeah... how about we talk about the price decreases in this tzaanuary? Kayric acolytes being cheaper than the khorne ones, skyfires being cheaper than the bloodcrushers (and those are the equivalents) on a model per model basis. Yeah, they just kept upping up prices.

Not saying that this is justifiable but you guys seem deadset in that this will be the norm instead of some bizarre/erratic exception. Still sets clearly that they aren't saints and they need a lot of work to reform. But I'm still going to hold up my judgement on stormcast's new releases. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...

Lord Kragan wrote:
Yeah... how about we talk about the price decreases in this tzaanuary?

You cannot decrease a price on something that's never been released before. Kairic Acolytes didn't get a price decrease they just got a price. Yes, it's nice that they're cheaper than their Khorne equivalents, but don't try to spin that into a decrease.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Not saying that this is justifiable but you guys seem deadset in that this will be the norm instead of some bizarre/erratic exception. Still sets clearly that they aren't saints and they need a lot of work to reform. But I'm still going to hold up my judgement on stormcast's new releases. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...

I've been doing this for a long time. I have seen nothing, not recently and not in the past 20 years to persuade me that GW have changed. They just put their prices up again on old models, so so far I'm still right.

That LOC brought a tear to my eye. GOd damn is it good looking

It's a gorgeous model. Even more impressed with it now that we've seen the full kit.

I love all the models for this new Stormcast release. Really intrigued by the direction of the Gryph mounts. The character one is especially impressive.

Some more info care of the warhammer forum and Google translate.
The new battletome will be €32.50 for 167 pages. (old one was €46 for 152 pages)
Gryph-hounds are €20 for 6, vanguard are €50 for 10.
The liberators, judicators and prosecutors are getting reboxed with twice as many minis in each box. No info on price (old liberators were €40 for 5.)
The aetherwings are birds that come in units of 6.
There are lots of movement related special rules but Google translate kind of breaks down. Maybe someone with better French than me can take a look.
It seems that a lot of the units are in the battle report but will be featured in the March white dwarf.

H.B.M.C. wrote:25% increase on Flamers and Screamers for... what?

Thanks Obam... uhh... GW. You sure are 'getting better'. All the social media stuff (behind a paywall) makes up for years of price rises and this new one.

It's not really the price I think it's what $6 or so increase, but it's the principle. I am shocked to read it's a 25% increase. I have to agree with H.B.M.C. (what does that stand for by the way? Miss the rotating IG dude. ) but a 25% increase is GW going back to their old ways, no matter how many Start Collecting boxes they release.

Oh well. Stay positive Davor, stay positive. So is getting the Start Collecting bundle is the way to go to start a Tzeench army correct? Or should I get the other minis like Acolytes instead?

The mounts look lovely, shame there are stormcast on them !


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More anecdotal evidence, my local supplier / store sells all his stormcast, almost every week without fail.

I put some on ebay too and they went quick.

I see them everywhere, and GW pushes them to the max, i have a feeling that they could well be big sellers.

Davor wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:25% increase on Flamers and Screamers for... what?

Thanks Obam... uhh... GW. You sure are 'getting better'. All the social media stuff (behind a paywall) makes up for years of price rises and this new one.

It's not really the price I think it's what $6 or so increase, but it's the principle. I am shocked to read it's a 25% increase. I have to agree with H.B.M.C. (what does that stand for by the way? Miss the rotating IG dude. ) but a 25% increase is GW going back to their old ways, no matter how many Start Collecting boxes they release.

Oh well. Stay positive Davor, stay positive. So is getting the Start Collecting bundle is the way to go to start a Tzeench army correct? Or should I get the other minis like Acolytes instead?

If you ask my opinion two start collecting would work wonders (they just happen to be 1500-ish points, not bad at al. Add in a unit of kayric accolites or maybe a unit you may need to complete a batallion and you have a fairly decent army of daemons/disciples (perfectly usable for 40k too, I'd say).


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Chikout wrote:
Some more info care of the warhammer forum and Google translate.
The new battletome will be €32.50 for 167 pages. (old one was €46 for 152 pages)
Gryph-hounds are €20 for 6, vanguard are €50 for 10.
The liberators, judicators and prosecutors are getting reboxed with twice as many minis in each box. No info on price (old liberators were €40 for 5.)
The aetherwings are birds that come in units of 6.
There are lots of movement related special rules but Google translate kind of breaks down. Maybe someone with better French than me can take a look.
It seems that a lot of the units are in the battle report but will be featured in the March white dwarf.

If you hand us the link we may take a look on it.

Davor wrote:
I have to agree with H.B.M.C. (what does that stand for by the way? Miss the rotating IG dude. )

It stands for 'half-brother of Marneus Calgar'.

It sucks that they increased the prices but I'm not going to let ruin my perception of what is overall a great release. Or in other words, the price increases are far outweighed by the number of good decisions/releases GW has made recently.

Well my mind is blown.

Someone pointed it out on Facebook that on the chinese calendar this is the year of the rooster.

Great job, GW! Many a avian army is going to be swarming the tabletop this year.

Everyone I know calls roosters cocks, it might also be the year for Slaanesh!

Haha, I remember finding that out on a British children's show that my niece was watching. Thank goodness she never picked up the word.

Next years animals are dog, pig and rat.

So maybe Nurgle(sick as a dog), Slaanesh (common pervert insult) and Horned rat?

French site also says we're getting warscroll cards too


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http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/topic/247839-battletome-stormcast-eternals-v2/&

Someone french translate the long post about the new models/rules by giaja

Chikout wrote:
New Stormcast cavalry. An all gryph army looks like a possibility. ( from Noct on the French warhammer forum) The gold armour is not a good choice for these guys but the mounts look cool.

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Could make some decent conversion fodder for kings of war.

I like the new gryph chargers (what are the actual creatures called?). To my mind an aelf or someone Tzeentchian should be riding those, Stormcast have their draconic thing going, which suit their burly plus gold armour aesthetic. All the gryph- creatures seem to be from Azyr though.

Good release though (not sure why more Stormcast though). There is no good reason that my (or anyone not designing's) bias from my own preference and the particular combination of fantasy I am familiar with and like should dictate what the new setting and inhanitants should be like.

UK:
Bloodthirster - £70
Lord of Change - £70

OZ:
Bloodthirster - $170 (£102, or 145% the cost, but ignore that for now).
Lord of Change - $190 (£114, or 162% the cost)

Why is the Lord of Change price in Oz different to the Bloodthirster price?

Kiwiland is no better here. Can't see the US prices yet.

Because - as always - feth us.