Horus Heresy / 30K news and rumours. Hermes rules p. 251.

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**beast_gts**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Arbitrator wrote:
Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?

Deimos Pattern Rhino is £28. The Rhino/Razorback kit is £30, as is the Chaos Rhino (Rhino + spiky bits). The Adepta Sororitas Rhino is £35 (Rhino + SoB bits).

**H.B.M.C.**

Not here it ain't.

Rhino - AUD$55
Deimos Rhino - AUD$78

**AllSeeingSkink**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not here it ain't.

Rhino - AUD$55
Deimos Rhino - AUD$78

We were discussing it earlier in the previous thread.

It's because the Rhino in Australia was priced when GW's imaginary exchange rate wasn't too bad, and didn't get the same price rises that the Rhino saw in other countries.

Therefore the basic Rhino is weirdly cheap in Australia (it's $50USD in the US but only $55AUD or $38USD in Australia), making the Deimos look expensive by comparison ($78AUD which is $54USD, compared to buying it in US at $47USD).

So if you like the basic Rhino, buy a bunch of them before GW cranks up the price

**tneva82**

SamusDrake wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Arbitrator wrote:
Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?

To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.

And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.

**H.B.M.C.**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So if you like the basic Rhino, buy a bunch of them before GW cranks up the price

The real crime is the Sisters of Battle Rhino. Swaps the Marine accessory for the Sisters accessory sprue, loses the Razorback sprue, yet somehow costs 178% the cost of the Marine one.

**AllSeeingSkink**

tneva82 wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Arbitrator wrote:
Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?

To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.

And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.

The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).

The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.

**Voss**

tneva82 wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Arbitrator wrote:
Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?

To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.

And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.

But has a sprue absolutely packed with combi weapons, several heavy weapons and a havoc launcher instead, so quite comparable to (and IMO better than) the nearly optionless razorback turret.
I'll take a rhino with a pintle heavy flamer, heavy bolter or multimelta over a razorback any day.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99123001001_HHDeimosPatternRhinoFeature1.jpg

**zedmeister**

Upgrade kits

**ClockworkZion**

Arbitrator wrote:
I think a lot of it's the same thing that happened in the final year or so of 7th edition. People are getting burnt out on the mistakes GW are making with 40k but don't want to leave the GW bubble, conveniently as a major new boxset releases with Marines they can use in 40k if they choose, that will hold them over until the new edition.

I'm hedging my bet that one year from now this thread will have devolved into back and forth about how people are "quitting 30k because if it's not using the current 40k rules it's going to be a dead game" just like last time.

Kratos selling well isn't a surprise since it's known to have 40k rules and people like their Marine tanks. Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino. Contemptor has been strong in 40k for a few years now.

It's very possible, but I think the lower bar to allow people to get into the game will result in more players in the end, even if the bubble is short lived.

Heck, I know I'm building to double dip so I'll always be able to get a game in with my army.

**Kanluwen**

Spoiler:

Dark Angels goodies "soon" from FW.

**Snrub**

Yep. I'll be adding a bunch of those heads to my collection. Shame they're FW as it makes purchasing them far less simple.

**H.B.M.C.**

Bah! Silly 1st Legion getting their stuff first.*

When's it going to be the 12th Legion's turn!

*Yes, I know Imp Fists and Black Le... sorry, Sons of Horus have theirs already.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Snrub wrote:
Yep. I'll be adding a bunch of those heads to my collection. Shame they're FW as it makes purchasing them far less simple.

They look nice, but I just can't bring myself to pay that much for only 11 heads.

**Geifer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So if you like the basic Rhino, buy a bunch of them before GW cranks up the price
The real crime is the Sisters of Battle Rhino. Swaps the Marine accessory for the Sisters accessory sprue, loses the Razorback sprue, yet somehow costs 178% the cost of the Marine one.

Without a doubt. People waited for Sisters to get updated kits for so long that GW just couldn't resist leveraging that demand, so it's perfectly understandable. GW gonna GW, after all.

zedmeister wrote:
Upgrade kits

Spoiler:

I foresee a very dull fifteen weeks of Heresy Thursday.

**H.B.M.C.**

"In this pack you will receive 9 Mk.VI Dark Angel helmets, one Mk.VI Dark Angel Sergeant helmet, and Space Jesus."

**Sotahullu**

Weird, someone mentioned getting Grey knight helmets for Dark Angels and these are are very similar. Good for him then.

**Voss**

Eh. Those shoulder pad icons look a bit rough. But maybe its the paint job.

Is there a chip missing on the left side near the hilt, and roughness on the right near the point, or is that just weird shading?

**zedmeister**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bah! Silly 1st Legion getting their stuff first.*

When's it going to be the 12th Legion's turn!

*Yes, I know Imp Fists and Black Le... sorry, Sons of Horus have theirs already.

Have some sympathy man. I play Alpha Legion...

**SamusDrake**

tneva82 wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Arbitrator wrote:
Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?

To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.

And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.

Naturally, but besides the point; the Deimos is the cheapest Rhino kit available.

But HMBC has found it is more expensive in Australia.

**Gert**

It's a bit funny how these are billed as MkVI upgrades, and not a single one looks like MkVI in the slightest..

**warboss**

I think Aragorn as a Dark Angel works. It was admittedly a bold move though!

**The Phazer**

Gert wrote:
It's a bit funny how these are billed as MkVI upgrades, and not a single one looks like MkVI in the slightest..

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they fit on Mk IV when they start shipping and people can do videos, because it is a very odd choice to sell non-beakie heads as Mark VI upgrades.

**Tannhauser42**

I look at that helmetless head and see King Arthur from Excalibur.

Spoiler:

**tneva82**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Arbitrator wrote:
Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?

To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.

And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.

The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).

The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.

And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.

**Agamemnon2**

Gert wrote:
It's a bit funny how these are billed as MkVI upgrades, and not a single one looks like MkVI in the slightest..

To be fair, some of the previous upgrade sets are pretty distantly related to the Mk of armour they're for already.

these are all Mk IIs, for example

**Balerion**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
I look at that helmetless head and see King Arthur from Excalibur.

Spoiler:

Hah! Funny, first thing I thought of when I saw that helmetless head was King Arthur and I don't think I saw that movie, or even imagined any specific king Arthur movie. I guess that's just how my brain imagines King Arthur

but the resemblance to that photo is uncanny!

I didn't use the previous helmetless dork head from DA upgrade and I'm not going to use this one either, but so weird

**Gert**

And the SoH, EC, and NL MkIV kits all look like MkIV, same with the Fists MkIII, Ravens MkVI and WE MkII.
The majority of upgrade kits with a stated armour pattern look like that pattern. I'm not complaining that these don't look like MkVI, I just find it funny that they don't and yet are marketed as MkVI. Calling them (?) Legion upgrade kit would have made more sense and have the pads specifically labelled.

**Racerguy180**

Salamanders one has both MKIII & IV in it

**GaroRobe**

Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

GaroRobe wrote:
Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably

*Empathises in Delaque*