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H.B.M.C. wrote: Maybe if the tactical rocks were optional... or if they weren't on (or under, really!) every damned character they put out these days.
It does seem to the fashion right now but when they are used well they are great, the base detail on Illuminor serez (excuse spelling) is amazing and adds so much character to the model. The way they did it on the new deathkopters is brilliant and miles better than any flying base but especially the horrible new ones.
But then you get it in the primaris lieutenant and it adds nothing I wasn’t keen on the tyranid themed ones in leviathan marines either, tyranids have no place on my bases and were a pain to shift.
But it’s a matter of taste really, I don’t like the crest thing they put on overlords heads, I get why they do it but I don’t like it. Doesn’t make it a bad model. My issue with the model is more to do with the rule/fluff they released with the pic. They makes it so it’s zipping about and moving faster parading in and out, the model makes the process look quite slow and involved. Clashes for me.
Andykp wrote: That’s very much a subjective opinion,
Yes, that's why it's an opinion and not a fact. All opinions are subjective.
some of the stuff GW has done with tactical rocks has been great, I think there are loads of good examples and few bad ones.
That's very much an opinion.
This one I see as a way to show him appearing in mid air, it was used to add hight generally to the pose. Not the best but overall the design is very clever and again by gw, the use of negative space is very clever.
Yes the use of negative space is clever and I'm glad GW are able to make use of it. Using the rock to add height though doesn't hold up though. If they wanted to add height to the miniature to represent him teleporting in off the ground they could have quite easily done that with the swirly bullgak. Look at the Celestant Prime, Nagash or Mortarion. All of them floating nothing.
Valkyrie wrote: Looks good, might be a bugger to paint. Not sure why people are complaining about a rock, would the same people also complain if he didn't have any base decor?
Lack of base decor isn't problem. That can always be added.
Base decor meanwhile limits on what you can realistically base with.
Got any idea how hard it is to base Sigvald on a icefield?
How stupid the screamer killer looks in lava field? Hey here's random piping amidst lava!
I enjoy seeing various basing people do but the GW's base decor makes those pretty damn hard at times.
Andykp wrote: That’s very much a subjective opinion,
Yes, that's why it's an opinion and not a fact. All opinions are subjective.
some of the stuff GW has done with tactical rocks has been great, I think there are loads of good examples and few bad ones.
That's very much an opinion.
This one I see as a way to show him appearing in mid air, it was used to add hight generally to the pose. Not the best but overall the design is very clever and again by gw, the use of negative space is very clever.
Yes the use of negative space is clever and I'm glad GW are able to make use of it. Using the rock to add height though doesn't hold up though. If they wanted to add height to the miniature to represent him teleporting in off the ground they could have quite easily done that with the swirly bullgak. Look at the Celestant Prime, Nagash or Mortarion. All of them floating nothing.
Ok i get it, you don’t tactical rocks. For all we know there may well be a “technical” reason for the rock. And we haven’t seen the sprue it might be easy to remove and not use (doubt that though looking at the model).
Valkyrie wrote: Looks good, might be a bugger to paint. Not sure why people are complaining about a rock, would the same people also complain if he didn't have any base decor?
Lack of base decor isn't problem. That can always be added.
Base decor meanwhile limits on what you can realistically base with.
Got any idea how hard it is to base Sigvald on a icefield?
How stupid the screamer killer looks in lava field? Hey here's random piping amidst lava!
I enjoy seeing various basing people do but the GW's base decor makes those pretty damn hard at times.
I’d say he’s one the better ones to do without the rocks, the model just stands of top of them it isn’t integrated with the rock at all. Never built the model though so I may be wrong.
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Lord Damocles wrote: Why would phasing in/out in mid air ever be a thing anyway?
Depends how physics apply whilst he's all pixilated. My assumption from that sculpt is that relative velocity and trajectory remain, so he just becomes able to phase through stuff, rather than having 3d freedom of movement and propulsion.
I would assume mid-air teleportation would be the way togo, that way you don't accidentally contaminate the process with foreign matter from stuff on the ground at your point of departure or your destination - thats how you end up with The Fly after all.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
He would have looked much better in a walking pose and without his arms crossed over his chest, I think.
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chaos0xomega wrote: I would assume mid-air teleportation would be the way togo, that way you don't accidentally contaminate the process with foreign matter from stuff on the ground at your point of departure or your destination - thats how you end up with The Fly after all.
Now someone needs to model the tactical rock into the negative spare where his leg isn't.
I like the new Necron model in terms of its look. It seems to be entirely unfit for playing purposes, but I expect some great entries into painting competitions with this one in the future.
chaos0xomega wrote: I would assume mid-air teleportation would be the way togo, that way you don't accidentally contaminate the process with foreign matter from stuff on the ground at your point of departure or your destination - thats how you end up with The Fly after all.
It's always been implied that Necron teleportation doesn't have the same issues with foreign matter that standard warp-based teleportation has, as Necrons can teleport under the ground.
Nicorex wrote: He would have looked much better in a walking pose and without his arms crossed over his chest, I think.
Yeah, he currently looks like he's digistructing after being killed in Borderlands.
I like the model but he would look better in a dynamic pose. A couple of problems though, 1 it's hard to dynamically pose a model with a staff and orb that doesn't mimic the old orb lord model, 2 with the swirly whirly stuff he is probably by necessity one of the 3d jigsaw style models to assemble and I doubt there is enough room on the sprue to have limbs at angles or elongated striding legs.
Hopefully there is still more to come for Necrons - as much as I like the new models, they are both overlords and I already have a bunch of those.
chaos0xomega wrote: I would assume mid-air teleportation would be the way togo, that way you don't accidentally contaminate the process with foreign matter from stuff on the ground at your point of departure or your destination - thats how you end up with The Fly after all.
It's always been implied that Necron teleportation doesn't have the same issues with foreign matter that standard warp-based teleportation has, as Necrons can teleport under the ground.
The best way to look at it is that The Fly and teleportation in 40k predate the invention of telefragging, and telefragging predates Necrons. Necron fluff is based on later scientific discoveries and is therefore not as limited or prone to failure as the teleportation of lesser races.
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If the Boss were to materialize in mid air he would make a very unworthy entrance, and might even be forced to make a stumble step as he tries to find ground. I percive Necron Lords as very uptight and humourless leaders, so it would be devastating for morale to see their lord caugth in such a situation. Thus, they would most likely opt for a more suiting tactical rock for everyone to see the wonderous and theatrical appearance of the great leader.
This necron really should have been two models, one guy split in two on two different bases, his head and torso manifesting on an 'arriving' base and his remaining leg about to follow on the 'departure' base.
Fayric wrote: If the Boss were to materialize in mid air he would make a very unworthy entrance, and might even be forced to make a stumble step as he tries to find ground. I percive Necron Lords as very uptight and humourless leaders, so it would be devastating for morale to see their lord caugth in such a situation. Thus, they would most likely opt for a more suiting tactical rock for everyone to see the wonderous and theatrical appearance of the great leader.
There was that one Heresy novel where the Marines teleported onto a ship and some came through like half in the ground and stuff because of whatever error etc.
Surely something like this would stop that if you teleport in slightly above ground.
I feel like in a lot of films etc where people teleport in they sort of appear then drop as it looks cooler.
Danny76 wrote: There was that one Heresy novel where the Marines teleported onto a ship and some came through like half in the ground and stuff because of whatever error etc.
Surely something like this would stop that if you teleport in slightly above ground.
I feel like in a lot of films etc where people teleport in they sort of appear then drop as it looks cooler.
Danny76 wrote: There was that one Heresy novel where the Marines teleported onto a ship and some came through like half in the ground and stuff because of whatever error etc.
Surely something like this would stop that if you teleport in slightly above ground.
As I noted above, Necrons routinely teleport into position under the ground (and then dig/rise out). Presumably either foreign matter is displaced to another location/dimension as the Necrons come in, or Necrons are able to remain partially out of phase until they're clear of obstructions.
Never before has any infantry unit felt the need to teleport into mid air and then drop onto the ground (or phase out by floating to the air!). Now Necron Lords do because 'swirly gak look cool'.
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You’ll be able to field both forces in Combat Patrol games, whether you pick them up as boxed sets or individual kits.
The both forces parts isn't talking about admech and necrons but about both the admech combat patrols instead and the fact they say you can pick both up as boxed sets makes me think the old one will stay available? So two Admech combat patrols?
Whether or not that is true the fact Admech got a new one (and not just Necrons who never had rules for their old one in the first place) means any other faction could also get a new CP with their codex
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Matrindur wrote: makes me think the old one will stay available? So two Admech combat patrols?
The old AdMech CP is still in stock, so maybe they will just keep it on sale until that runs out then only the new version will get restocks. Meanwhile until the end of 10th, they can just keep both rules PDFs online for people who bought either.
On the plus side, the two Admech patrols also complement each other quite well. A new player could do worse than buy both and have the option to play either in CP mode, and then get the foundations of a solid force for "proper" 40k.
1) They need to give the 'holding orb/cube and staff' poses a rest.
2) Doesn't look like a howler monkey anymore. Worst astromancer ever!
3) More pixelated gak.
4) Given that the green orbs plastered over every Necron nowadays are supposed to be power sources, why are they always just totally exposed?
5) What an uninspired update.
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For all we know there may well be a “technical” reason for the rock. And we haven’t seen the sprue it might be easy to remove and not use (doubt that though looking at the model). 
