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Me and my friend were having a debate on which fantasy universes could modern America conquer. USA can beat most of them, 'cause at the end of the day, medieval tech can't beat modern tech, and magic generally isn't big enough or widespread enough to be a game changer; for if it were, it wouldn't be a relatable medieval setting anymore. There are a few fantasy universes though, where it's an open question on whether USA can beat them or not. One of those worlds we're debating about is Warhammer Fantasy.

On one hand, the Warhammer Fantasy world had some powerful Wizards. It's more like a borderline industrial world instead of a true medieval fantasy. Warhammer Fantasy has strong plagues. Nasty stuff like Skaven Tunnels, Ulthuan, and of course, chaos corruption. On the other hand, in the end, a huge mob of Spearmen is a credible military threat to pretty much every major army and monsters in the setting. And if you can get killed by a huge mob of spearmen. Why couldn't the US military, with its divisions of tanks, artillery, machine gunners, aircraft, watercraft, and even nuclear weapons be a juggernaut by comparison?

Let's say that the USA appears in the Great Ocean. America is tilted so that it borders both Araby and Estalia. The USA appears 30 years before the End Times Begin. America's goal is to conquer the capital of every major faction on the Warhammer Fantasy world planet. If America accomplishes this task, they win. If America doesn't complete this before the end Times begins, they lose. Can USA accomplish this task?

Define "conquer". The USA could probably destroy every capital, barring some wizards setting up impenetrable magical barriers. The magical aspect is really the big joker: the US has no real answer to that, so if you assume magic can provide a perfect defense, then you've got no chance. Warhammer history is full of magic that can only be countered by other magic. So maybe we need to ignore that part, since it doesn't make for a very interesting discussion, and assume that magic is "hard", but not "impossibly hard".

If you don't want to just destroy every capital, but also occupy it (so as to exercise control over the surroundings, as is usually the purpose of occupying the city), then a big problem is that the Warhammer world might as well be a wasteland as far as logistics are concerned. There are no developed roadways, railways, airports, harbors, or anything similar to a standard that a modern military would expect. Airlifting supplies to every single capital in the world is not viable, and there are no local suppliers of anything either (unless the US military retools for longbows and bronze artillery).

The USA is fairly self-sufficient in terms of supplies, and you do mention the entire contry getting moved into the world, but I still cannot work out the consequences of cutting every single international supply chain. It would certainly be a distraction. Doesn't the USA import a lot of oil from Canada? Remember that there is zero oil in the Warhammer world - it is nowhere near old enough for fossil fuels to exist.

Yeah, the USA could destroy/conquer almost any nation.

But not the whole WF world, because there is a little big problem: undead. Specifically ethereal troops, and vampires.

 sigkill wrote:
Define "conquer". The USA could probably destroy every capital, barring some wizards setting up impenetrable magical barriers. The magical aspect is really the big joker: the US has no real answer to that, so if you assume magic can provide a perfect defense, then you've got no chance. Warhammer history is full of magic that can only be countered by other magic. So maybe we need to ignore that part, since it doesn't make for a very interesting discussion, and assume that magic is "hard", but not "impossibly hard".

If you don't want to just destroy every capital, but also occupy it (so as to exercise control over the surroundings, as is usually the purpose of occupying the city), then a big problem is that the Warhammer world might as well be a wasteland as far as logistics are concerned. There are no developed roadways, railways, airports, harbors, or anything similar to a standard that a modern military would expect. Airlifting supplies to every single capital in the world is not viable, and there are no local suppliers of anything either (unless the US military retools for longbows and bronze artillery).

The USA is fairly self-sufficient in terms of supplies, and you do mention the entire contry getting moved into the world, but I still cannot work out the consequences of cutting every single international supply chain. It would certainly be a distraction. Doesn't the USA import a lot of oil from Canada? Remember that there is zero oil in the Warhammer world - it is nowhere near old enough for fossil fuels to exist.

I actually thought WHF had lamp oil and other oil, but I'll take your word for it.

Logistics will be awful of course, but the USA has fought wars in very undeveloped areas before (chiefly Afghanistan).

Would any WHF faction or group want to aid the USA in order to defeat said faction's enemies? If so, that could help cover the magic gap. But of course, there are potential traitors in USA as well who would want divine/demonic power, or just want to pick up sticks and become a wizard/baron or something.

 Calbear wrote:
Me and my friend were having a debate on which fantasy universes could modern America conquer. USA can beat most of them, 'cause at the end of the day, medieval tech can't beat modern tech, and magic generally isn't big enough or widespread enough to be a game changer; for if it were, it wouldn't be a relatable medieval setting anymore. There are a few fantasy universes though, where it's an open question on whether USA can beat them or not. One of those worlds we're debating about is Warhammer Fantasy.

On one hand, the Warhammer Fantasy world had some powerful Wizards. It's more like a borderline industrial world instead of a true medieval fantasy. Warhammer Fantasy has strong plagues. Nasty stuff like Skaven Tunnels, Ulthuan, and of course, chaos corruption. On the other hand, in the end, a huge mob of Spearmen is a credible military threat to pretty much every major army and monsters in the setting. And if you can get killed by a huge mob of spearmen. Why couldn't the US military, with its divisions of tanks, artillery, machine gunners, aircraft, watercraft, and even nuclear weapons be a juggernaut by comparison?

Let's say that the USA appears in the Great Ocean. America is tilted so that it borders both Araby and Estalia. The USA appears 30 years before the End Times Begin. America's goal is to conquer the capital of every major faction on the Warhammer Fantasy world planet. If America accomplishes this task, they win. If America doesn't complete this before the end Times begins, they lose. Can USA accomplish this task?

Discussion points

* formal pitched battles are likely to go the US way from the start but magic, corruption etc will make this advantage decline
* How much do the US know or understand about potential enemies.
* Corruption - there is no reason why the nice Us soldiers do not get corrupted by the Chaos Gods - once this starts happening - all sorts of fun can ensue...
* If the US itself is transported then there are an awful lot of souls to succumb to actual deities. How do us people react to gods that absolutely do influence the real world and offer you tangable rewards for serving them? All the Chaos Gods will be delighted by hundreds millions of possible new toys...
* The human nations are no real threat in direct conflict but does the Us actually want to occupy and construct a new society
* The Dwarfs will likely be suspicious and their holds will be a nightmare to try and take - even if you did - likely then you get attacked by Skaven, Goblins etc
* Orcs and Goblins are not actually that big an issue - unless Gork and Mork get involved directly.
* Skaven - well Skavenblight is absolutely no somewhere you ever want to invade - use a nuclear bomb on it - yeah but again depends on magical defences and how they interact and of course the Skaven have their own nuclear type weapons
* Chaos Dwarfs - magic is an issue again
* Chaos itself - see corruption above and again invading the Chaos wastes is a good way to turn your own army into their army.
* Vampries - Ethereal is an issue and if they get into the US, then they can raise the dead to their hearts content - or just offer eternal life to people....
* Elves - Magic is a thing...
* Nurgle plagues, Skaven plagues,

 Calbear wrote:

I actually thought WHF had lamp oil and other oil, but I'll take your word for it.

It may well be that fossil oil is around in some form because the authors didn't really think it through, but there is also the possibility of non-fossil oil (e.g. whale oil). What is certain is that there will be no extraction infrastructure, and nobody will know where the large reserves are located.

Logistics will be awful of course, but the USA has fought wars in very undeveloped areas before (chiefly Afghanistan).

Even Afghanistan wasn't a medieval country - it had highways, railroads, and so on, Its neighbours were well developed and there were fully equipped US bases pretty close. And it was never fully subdued, even after all that (although I will certainly agree it was "conquered").

Would any WHF faction or group want to aid the USA in order to defeat said faction's enemies? If so, that could help cover the magic gap. But of course, there are potential traitors in USA as well who would want divine/demonic power, or just want to pick up sticks and become a wizard/baron or something.

Maybe the USA will fall to Chaos immediately - that would cover the gap.

I thought of some more issues that would cause disruption: a lot of the lethality of modern military weapons is due to high precision. That precision often depends on infrastructure that is not available in the Warhammer world, notably GPS and communication satellites. Even the celestial navigation that ICBMs can use would not work, as the stars aren't in the right places. These are things that could be resolved given time, but it would prevent the US military from immediately performing decapitation strikes on everyone else. One rather unique advantage is of course that the USA knows exactly how the Warhammer world works (because they presumably bring all the rulebooks with them), but the Warhammer world will have no idea how the USA works.

 sigkill wrote:

 Calbear wrote:

I actually thought WHF had lamp oil and other oil, but I'll take your word for it.

It may well be that fossil oil is around in some form because the authors didn't really think it through, but there is also the possibility of non-fossil oil (e.g. whale oil). What is certain is that there will be no extraction infrastructure, and nobody will know where the large reserves are located.

Gyrocopters run off fossil oil so the Dwarfs seem to be able to get it at least, though I agree the extraction infrastructure will be pretty limited.

Other fossil fuels like coal clearly exist.

It’s worth noting that the world did exist for an unknown amount of time before the Old Ones turned up and started messing with things, so fossil fuels may well exist from whatever ancient life predates that.

If you're teleporting the us continental area into wfb, then you are teleporting their nuke silos but not their nuke subs.

If they don't care about occupying the land (why would they it's full of beastmen, orcs and gobbos plus undead) then they just have to retarget their nukes at city centres and population areas.

They travel high and fast, the only chance anyone has against them is precogniscent wizard powers. So some might be stopped by there are a lot being launched.

The US land mass already supports it's population, so it doesn't need land. If it was teleported into wfb the country would assume an exigent threat outside any of their play books or scenarios and attack immediately.

It's shoreline would be invaded by sea monsters, fimir, dark elf raiders, undead pirates. Chaos corsairs etc.

Nothing about the planet would be friendly.

I think the nuke silos are pointless. Not only are they not really easy to aim when you have no idea where precisely anything is and none of your navigation systems work (the stars are wrong!), but destroying something is also not the same as conquering it - so it is not a suitable tool for fulfilling the objective formulated by Calbear. Tactical nuclear weapons could be used to win basically any conceivable battle, but I think they are not useful for the overall strategic goal.

I also thought of another edge case: I assume that the USA appearing out of nowhere is not really in accordance with the Great Plan, so presumably the Slann would act very rapidly to sink that new continent. We know that at one point they were able to do great geomagical works (they ruined the Dwarven Empire with earthquakes), and maybe they still are.

Reacquiring targets simply requires them to fly over the planet with their reconnaissance planes and mark targets.

The considerations modern militaries have on launching ICBMs don't apply, there are no counter missiles, no enemy satellites, no enemy aircraft.

They could launch ICBMs in the 1950s without satellite networks. But they could also just take the warheads out and put them on planes and fire them directly. The US titan 1 had a guidance system using radar and was accurate to within 1400m of the point of target.

No country on earth could conquer a whole planet, no matter how advanced. You need manpower to oversee the land you've conquered.

So if you are going with the original premise, then no they can't.

If however you're going with removed all effective opposition to define conquest, then yes nukes are the only way for them to do it on a global scale.




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Without any counter air they can also deploy every craft that still flies, no matter how old.

They can also retrofit civilian passenger craft to drop nukes.

The flight ceiling of modern aircraft is far beyond what anything in wfb can reach, physically or with a projectile.

There's actually a story with a similar premise to this. It's called an ISOT in Grimdark.

Germany from the year 2012 is sent to the Warhammer Fantasy world. There's a huge shock, but Germany has not only major tech and population and advantages; but also knows everything about the setting due to owning the lore books and tabletop game. Germany ends up allying with some local factions like the Empire of Man and they go on a huge conquering spree, although the Dark Elves at some point start building modern technology.

This is beginning to remind me a lot of the anime GATE except if i recall that anime heavily pleasured any Japanese military fans up to the point it kinda pissed off any other countries.

What are the logistics like? The US must get some raw materials from elsewhere on Earth.
How deep a layer of the US transports to WFB? Enough for the oil?

They could certainly make pretty decent inroads with a conquest, especially if they allied with someone.

 Hellebore wrote:
Reacquiring targets simply requires them to fly over the planet with their reconnaissance planes and mark targets.

Mark them with what? There's no satellites so no GPS. I don't think the missiles would be able to navigate to find the laser to follow. I'm sure they could be quickly modified to work like traditional artillery with a huge range though.

Rocket science is a thing that can work from first principles of thrust for x time to take the rocket to y location. No active targeting is required. Nukes don’t need to be all that accurate, which is where lasers and GPS really come in.

However it’s a little disturbing that “let’s just nuke them” turns up quite so quickly. The concepts of genocide, environmental collapse and MAD still apply. There are some pretty hardcore spells of mass destruction that could be deployed in response to nukes.

On topic, I would tend to agree that in a pitched battle, a modern military would defeat a Warhammer force of pretty much any size. However, recent evidence would suggest that doesn’t lead to any real lasting benefit for anyone involved.


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@Hellebore - how high can dragons fly again? Silver Towers?

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
This is beginning to remind me a lot of the anime GATE except if i recall that anime heavily pleasured any Japanese military fans up to the point it kinda pissed off any other countries.

Lol, I was just about to mention GATE as a probable scenario that would be the most realistic.

The US military could very easily crush any military sent at them. But conquering requires a lot more than just beating an army. Generally it is very difficult to control a people who do not want to be controlled by you.

Street to Street fighting may not favour US Troops. Sure, you’ve your fancy shooters. But have you ever visited the remaining Medieval sections of European cities? The streets are narrow and twisting. There are cellars galore, and surprisingly tall buildings.

They’re not well suited to civilian vehicles, let alone chunky military ones. And once you’re up close and personal? Bows and Crossbows will seem a lot less primitive. Not to mention a lack of vehicular support means your dudes are limited to the ammo they’re carrying.

Now, that doesn’t mean It’s All One Sided. Just that the US would experience pretty hefty casualties, despite the glaring difference in technology levels.

Not to mention medieval cities were far from hygienic. So even relatively small wounds risk infection, and taking a soldier out of the running at least temporarily.

Moving from place to place is also a challenge. There are no roads as we consider them, and much of The Empire is still heavily forested. And those Forests are pretty unsafe due to Orcs, Goblins, Trolls and Beastmen.

So as well as constant danger and poor roads messing up morale? Where are you getting your ongoing supply of fuel and firepower from? There’s no diesel or petrol to be had from your foe. So again, you’re stuck with what you’ve brought with you.

Thanks to Scrying Magic, if you’re relying on say, portals between worlds? You better reinforce your beach head, because forces will be gathered to drive you back through, because it’s only a matter of time before a Wizard figures out where you’re coming from.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Street to Street fighting may not favour US Troops. Sure, you’ve your fancy shooters. But have you ever visited the remaining Medieval sections of European cities? The streets are narrow and twisting. There are cellars galore, and surprisingly tall buildings.

The US was able to level such cities in WWII. We've had 80 years to improve our techniques.

The original question doesn't state whether the goal is to conquer or destroy. The answer would make a big difference in outcomes.

The US is a maritime power, eschewing pitched land battles in favor of combined arms deployed at the time and place of our choosing. I visited AUSA a few weeks ago, the platforms on display were centered around UAV and counter-UAV technologies. There was also a heavy emphasis on components and systems for on-board computing, turning forward forces into mesh-networked information gathering centers in addition to being warfighters. Most of what I saw is capable of operating autonomously in highly contested environments without the use of satellites, which is very different from the capabilities anything in the Old World has ever seen.

Statebuilding would be out the question for Undead, Orks, Orges, Skaven, Lizardmen, or anything that isn't obviously human. My guess is there would be some initial recon and contact with these factions, followed by a concerned effort to identify and destroy strongholds - regardless of who else may inhabit them. From that point on, they all become guerilla forces, access to things like siege weapons, large supply trains, resources required to force magical items becomes severely constrained. While I could see the Undead making due, the others would be tracked and destroyed anytime they appear aboveground in moderate numbers, by weapons platforms that operate from many miles away. Things that are not people do not create moral quandaries with the use of non-standard munitions.

Not sure how the Old World empires would react to all this. It's unlikely US Forces would go after Empire / Elf / Dwarf factions immediately unless the proved themselves to be hostile. I consider the odds about even most people would see the army as saviors and seek to join it as allies. Sizing each other up would give both sides a chance to figure out what the world looks like with each other in it, opening a range of possibilities. I figure the US would be looking to divide and conquer when it comes to the forces of order, play one side off the other and keep any of them from uniting against them.

If it came to street fighting, I doubt US regulars would play much of a role in it. Promising Dwarves access to new technology, gold to humans or knowledge to Elves might be enough to get at least one of them to turn against each other. With regards to the role of magic, that's a capability the US doesn't have but I assume they could obtain if it truly presents a threat.

As for Chaos, it's Chaos, don't know if there's any benefit to fighting monsters from the North unless they get in the way. Not sure what their great beasts and wizards can do against a squad of F-35. They have weapons that could take down Dragons easily.

Don't know what other threats would exist, but I like the US odds in such a match up.

<Insert jingoistic and US military-worship post here>

Dwarves (and Night Goblins) are interesting in this situation because underground fortresses are actually a hard counter to most modern weapons, as it is not really something that exists in the real world (places like Tora Bora are nowhere near fantasy underground realms, and even they proved really annoying). Even nuclear weapons are not really very effective at blasting through mountain ranges.

But I think worship of hardware and discussions of whether a Sidewinder could lock onto a dragon is too close to tedious Clancy/MIC-love discussions. The interesting challenge is always going to be logistics. Since the USA is pretty self-sufficient for all the basics (particularly food, if we assume teleportation somewhat doesn't feth with the climate), it could in theory win simply by attrition. I don't know of any hard numbers for the demographics of the Warhammer World, but the US has over 300 million people and a highly organised society capable of mobilising a large fraction of these - the reason armies grew so large during the Enlightenment was not mainly due to any population boom, but rather due to improved state organisational capacity, and the US is vastly better at this than anything in the Old World, and likely outclassing Cathay as well. The elves may match the USA, but there aren't that many of them.

But here's an interesting wrinkle: what if it turns out that apart from forming the winds of magic, the polar gates also emit enormous amounts of electromagnetic radiation, effectively jamming any kind of radio-based communication? Nobody in the Warhammer world has ever had reason to notice, but a modern society certainly would very quickly.

Some variant of a perpetual Carrington event? Intriguing.

Short answer, yes the US could easily conquer Warhammer world. There is nothing in WH that can withstand the technologic advantages, and population advantages, that the USA has or would quickly establish. Launching GPS and communications satellites would happen quickly, no? Certainly the US would study magic in order to counter it or coopt it.

However, the US would not try to conquer the WH world, at least not militarily. That's not the US's MO. Interesting read, Walter Russell Mead's "Special Providence" about various schools of US foreign policy.

Let's get this out of the way. No faction has the means to oppose the US military at any level. pre-gunpowder combat is not like the garbage battle scenes in the movies. You can't inflict casualties if you cannot reach the enemy and the USA fights at distances greater than anything the WH factions can reach, including magic. (insert Arthur Clarke comment about sufficiently advanced science being indistiguishable from magic)

The US would seek allies/client states among the *good guys* factions. The Empire would be easily befriended, seeing in the US a very useful ally against Chaos and the orcs. Bretonnians may be primitive but they are not stupid. They would join up. Is Kislev still around? The not human factions are equally not stupid. The US would absolutely create some sort of grand alliance. A NATO of sorts, if you will. then it would oscillate between isolation and intervention. Sound familiar?

So who are the bad guys. The dark elves. The Orcs/goblins. The Skaven. The vampires/undead. maybe the lizardmen, but maybe not. Chaos. Have I missed any? Only Chaos poses a challenge, and it is a significant one. Given the US's mobility and recon capabilities, The US would eliminate the dark elves quickly. They are not numerous. Same for the vampires/undead. Too many vulnerabilities. Neither are human, so there won't be much of a concern about genocide, but the dark elves are sentient/sapient so there would be some comcern. Skaven are a bit tougher to wink out, but also of a limited range. Orcs/goblins. Large hordes are easily spotted and eliminated by area weapons. A MOAB or two, among other things, deals with any Waugh! Wiping them all out is unlikely, but keeping the populations very, very low, and contained, very likely.

Lizardmen are limited in range. The policy I think would be containment and diplomacy.

Chaos, the eternal enemy, is everywhere. It would find some adherents in the US fairly quickly, especially among the Anarchist crowd. The actual Chaos forces like beastmen would be eliminated, until Chaos produced more. Could the US+ allies weaken Chaos enough to diminish the four gods enough to kill them? Maybe, but there would be news ones. There will always be Chaos. As an independent faction, I see it diminished and contained.

Herein lies the outcome. US and other factions allied against Chaos, and the rest of the bad guys eliminated or so reduced that they are insignificant. Chaos will never be a military power, but will be the enemy within.

Not to get too political, but I understand that your current incumbent isn’t too keen on playing nice with “the good guys”…

Also there are apparently spells that realigned the Old Worlds tectonic plates. How much RHA are mystically imbued dragon scales equivalent to again?

Go read Grunts for an entertaining take on contemporary military equipment against fantasy opponents.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Where are you getting your ongoing supply of fuel and firepower from? There’s no diesel or petrol to be had from your foe. So again, you’re stuck with what you’ve brought with you.

I don't know a lot about many things and fuel production is one of them. But if I'm not mistaken the United States is pretty good about having oil. Checking on wikipedia it states that the US is currently the largest producer of oil in the world and has recently even begun to export its excess. I know there are a lot of refineries as well so I would think that the US military would have all of the fuel it needs to conduct its missions.

Oh and there is apparently a lot of gold in Fort Knox that I'm sure would be useful in making friends.

No faction has the means to oppose the US military at any level.

A single Banshee kills the whole Us army.

I think we must remember the original question - can the USA conquer the world, not collaborate with it. For a modern industrial society, collaboration is pretty much always economically superior to conquest, because land and people by its own is not so valuable - industrial capital is what matters, and there is not much of that to gain. (It was the opposite in the middle ages.) So we must assume that for some reason the teleported USA is highly motivated in conquering (whatever that means) the entire world for reasons that are basically irrational, mostly because otherwise the question becomes less "can the USA conquer the Warhammer world" and more "can the USA sustain its society after being teleported into a fantasy universe".

Actually maybe that is another challenge: OP stated that the USA appears 30 years before the End Times. Can the USA prevent the End Times? Personally, I don't believe any non-magical force can prevent the ultimate victory of Chaos, but any industrial society has a high capacity and experience training specialists in exotic areas, so maybe 30 years is enough for the USA to train enough highly professional wizards to safely seal off the Chaos wastes and bind the Winds of Magic in some controllable form.

The logistics question isn’t whether you’ve got the oil, ammo, troops and weapons.

It’s whether you’ve got them where you need them, when you need them.

In the real world between shipping and heavy freight flights, not to mention allied nations nearer your foe? That’s about as straight forward a supply chain as can be hoped for with modern technology. Likewise, I understand another use of drones in warfare is to deliver supplies to troops in the field.

But, invading the Old World? Where and what is your beach head? How secure can you make that?

On the medieval street lay out? Sorry guys, but most major European settlements during the Second World War would be Georgian/Victorian layouts. We didn’t just go from dirt tracks to tar macadam with nothing in between.

Then there’s Middenhein. Middenheim is a bit like Minas Tirith, but rather more sensibly built halfway up the Mountain, with limited causeways leading to its various gates. And it’s riddled with centuries if not millennia of caves and tunnels. So, you’re gonna need air support for that. Just watch out for magically conjured storms. And of course Winter.

If (and it is IF) your air power can be foxed in that way? You’re going in on foot. And best of luck to you in that endeavour. Rather you than me.

Again, you probably could take it, given enough time? But it’s going to be costly. So costly the US public may see another Vietnam or Afghanistan unfolding, and withdraw their support.

Oh, and it’s surrounded by dense forest. Infested with Beastmen. And Goblins. And all other manner of Ghastly McNasties.

And for what gain? What is your objective here? How are you selling this costly war to the folks back home?


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Oh, and super duper good luck going anywhere near the Chaos Wastes!

Texas immediately secedes from the union and uses it national guard units to annex Araby for the resources in the mountains. California immediately secedes from the union to ally with Ulthuan and to explore the wonders of deep magic. Florida immediately secedes and joins up with Khemri, because the majority of residents feel a certain closeness with the undead anyway.

The militant Christians would probably demand a citizens crusade to take the word of their particular brand of God to the "heathens". Angry members of other religions would probably do the same thing. Dormant terror and infiltration cells would get to work to further fragment the country.

Do Hawaii and Alaska turn up as well? Congruent with the rest of the US, or in their respective locations, just transposed into the Warhammer world?

I think the end times would just be accelerated as there would be such mental trauma on all citizens of the US, and the entire population of the Warhammer World. Although given the amount of Chaotic nonsense that the Warhammer world residents have to put up with all the time, the magical appearance of a fully formed country and alien society in their midst might just mean its Tuesday



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However, at the tactical level, a Marine platoon would probably be able to mow down a lot of spearmen until someone casts Curse of Arrow Attraction on their command elements and their own firepower takes them down.

 sigkill wrote:
I think we must remember the original question - can the USA conquer the world, not collaborate with it.

If Bretton Woods is a guide, you don't need to blow up a capital to conquer a nation.

You just need that nation to let you write their security policies and keep your currency as their reserve for it count as conquered.

If we truly require blowing up cities, that can be done, but having the biggest and the most guns tends to work too.

The American leadership caste will enter the Warhammer World already fallen to the psychological patterns of Slaanesh, Nurgle, Tzeentch and Khorne. The moment those gods have access to America’s spiritual strings, the conflict is over. Hell, there’s already a groundswell for Malal brewing. America will just become the Chaos Wastes now with even more anachronistic machine guns lying around.

Statistically going from the data of past conflicts, the US would lose. I'd imagine it would be a bit like Afghanistan but where the Afghan's had magic and a bigger population.

Either way Khorne would win so even if the US did pull a win, they would have lost to Khorne in doing so.

But if they did a regime change, Tzeentch style, they could rule the Old World in a decade. But only if there is gold to grease Old World palms in Fort Knox, if it's empty, as many suggest, then they're not going to get very far here either.

My money is on Slannesh in the end though as the modern world (through medieval eyes) is absolutely decadent as hell.