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Post by: winnertakesall
Preorders for the limited edition are up
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1700011a
Release confirmed for Sept 1
Additional images Aug 17
better cult image
Warseer has some images
Bloodwin wrote:I went into my local GW store to pick up a copy of the Dark Vengance boxed set today and they had a few extra goodies for sale. There's a Dark Angels beanie hat with a peak and wrist bands for Dark Angels and Chaos. The hat was £5 and the wrist bands were £2 each.
Beasts of War have just released some more details about the 6th edition box set, including some updated contents:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/warhammer-40k/dark-vengeance-new-details/
Looks like Chaos is in for some new units, and looking like an early 6th edition Codex. Yay!
So the word has been out for some time that the new Warhammer 40K starter box, replacing Assault on Black Reach, will (or is that should) contain Dark Angels and Chaos Marines… but is that really true… and if it is, what will you get?
Well, you might feel better to know there are still some insiders in the Stalinist like regime that is GW who want the fans to be excited and those plucky rebels have braved the wrath of the mighty Empire to bring you some solid information on the contents of the new box… information that bodes very well for those interested, not only in starting 40K, but those with existing collections too!
So here we go… and remember… many Bothan spies lost their lives bringing you this information!
Chaos Cultists are in!
That’s right all you Chaos players… I refused point blank to believe that GW would ever release Chaos Cultist, but they have. The Dark Vengeance boxed set (did I not mention the name previously?) will have 2 units of 10 Chaos Cultist models, one armed with auto-guns (with a shotgun & CC weapon for the leader and a Heavy Stubber support trooper) and one with auto-pistol & CC weapon (with 2 CC weapons for the leader and a Flamer support model).
The Chaos Cultist look like everything you’ve ever wanted for Chaos. They’re bound in rags, with metal half-masks and weapons that suit the cobbled-together, improvised look that you expect from the dregs of Chaos.
But that’s not all for those naughty Chaos worshippers; they’re getting a unit of 6 Chosen…elite Chaos Space Marines, armed with a variety of Power Weapons (a Maul on the Sergeant, a Power Fist, a Chain Axe and a set of Lightning Claws by the look of things). The remaining Chosen are armed with Boltguns, but this bodes well for the potential that these exemplars of Chaos might get some more customisable options in the upcoming new Chaos Marines codex.
To lead your forces, you have the obligatory Chaos Lord, armed with a Power Sword & Plasma Pistol. His pose is a bit static, but that is only in comparison to the much more animated Chosen.
Lastly… what would Chaos be without something big and menacing to bring to the table? Well… how about a brand new model… the Hellbrute!
The massive Hellbrute model comes equipped with a Multi-Melta & Power Fist. Suggesting that this isn’t a Dreadnought replacement, but is in fact a huge suit of specialist armour crewed by a Chaos Marine (or more likely a Champion). Actually, the model resembles a huge suit of Terminator Armour with lots of cool Chaos gribbly bits… I’m hoping for a Monstrous Creature that acts like the Dreadknight… what about all you Chaos fans? What would you like it to be?
But what about the Dark Angels?
They haven’t been left wanting and with a new codex (no doubt in their future) there is quite a bit to have a look at.
Firstly, they wouldn’t be Space Marines without the obligatory 10 man Tactical Squad. However, the Dark Angel Tactical-Squad has a twist… it’s got Plasma!
The ordinary Space Marine grunts come sporting a Boltgun, but the squad also has a Plasma Gunner and a Heavy Plasma Cannon model giving support… and just to round out the theme… a Plasma Pistol/Chainsword Sergeant.
Looks like that squad will be getting hot!
The Tactical Squad also has a mixture of poses, this time around. Some of the Bolter-totting Marines are holding their ubiquitous weapon at jaunty angles to make the squad look a bit more animated… and it works too… good job GW!
The Marine side wouldn’t be Space Marines without a smattering of Terminators… so you get a squad of 5 of them. It’s a pretty standard squad, with Stormbolter/Power Fist, with a Power Sword Sergeant. However, you do get an Assault Cannon and Chainfist option… and true to previous form… the models now come in a variety of more dynamic poses with the squad sergeant even sporting Wings but thankfully no nipple armour!
The last squad in the box is a unit of 3 Space Marine (or Ravenwing) Bikers, with Sergeant and one Biker sporting Bolt Pistol/Chainsword and the third Biker packing a Plasma Gun. The models look similar to previous Ravenwing Bikers (with that big wing banner on the back) and are probably the least inspiring out of the box.
But let’s not end on a low… let’s talk about the Dark Angel Triple Whammy… 3 Heroes!
The box will contain a Dark Angels Company Master (Balthasar)… resplendent with his erect Power Sword!
A Dark Angels Librarian… with a slightly less impressive looking Force Sword… and a limited edition Interrogator Chaplain, who’s Power Armour (including smoking exhaust details) and embellished robe might be the most ostentatious model in the box!
That’s all the models in the box… but what about the Rulebook?
I know many of you have been planning to buy the box (price TBC) in order to get your hands on the smaller rulebook. So rest easy… there will be one in the box.
There will also be templates and a new How to Play Dark Vengeance booklet, that allows you to jump right into the action.
So there you go all you 40K fans… that’s what you can expect very soon to help get your pals interested in your favourite game.
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Post by: WarOne
Do we have a relative price we will be seeing for the box set, or if the rumors are true of being able to buy perhaps one force or the other rather than the whole thing?
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Post by: White Ninja
Must get that chaplain.
Still want that chaplain but also the terminators are great. I want all of the Dark angels in fact. The chaos I could go either way on.
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Post by: winnertakesall
No price as of yet I don't think, could just be my imagination, but it's sounding like this models are going to be rather nicer than AOBR ones, and more of them.
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Post by: Evilledz
White Ninja wrote:Must get that chaplain.
Agreed. That box set may be worth getting just for that Chaplain... 
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Post by: caminacambob
Very interesting indeed.....
Almost tempted to get this despite playing Tau!
Hellbrute sounds very interesting.... 
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Post by: WarOne
winnertakesall wrote:No price as of yet I don't think, could just be my imagination, but it's sounding like this models are going to be rather nicer than AOBR ones, and more of them.
It sounds like a higher quality set. For me, the price will really reflect what GW sees this set as. A lower price means they want beginners to buy it. A higher price means that they may not be as interested in selling it to beginners and are rather just appealing to their current customer base.
Regardless, so long as the set is below 150USD, I'd consider that a decent pick up. Any more and then my various split personalities (the GW Fanboy especially) would have a death match to see if I purchase it.
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Post by: Flashman
Must... resist...
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Post by: English Assassin
Hmm. Everything sounds rather good... apart from this 'Hellbrute' nonsense. What's wrong with Dreadnoughts, GW?
In passing I should also note that I hope that everybody who insisted the box would be Eldar versus Hrud or some such rubbish feels suitably ashamed.
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Post by: winnertakesall
Well, I'm hoping this means that GW is moving away from the LIEK NORMAL MAHREENS, BUT SPIKEH thing they've had going for a while, with pretty much the same gear and tech, after all, the Dark Mechanicus is supposed to have been at work, some new stuff I think makes CSM more unique.
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Post by: Medium of Death
I'm interested in seeing the Hell Brute, if it is beefed up terminator armour that can only be a good thing.
Cultists are sounding likes lots of fun.
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Post by: English Assassin
Oh, and are we to presume the "limited edition" Chaplain is the extra content for the purported special edition? (Unless that was debunked, I haven't been paying this my full attention.)
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Post by: Bonde
Oh man, those cultists are going to make it hard not to start a chaos army. I'll probably have to use all my willpower to avoid buying that starter set.
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Post by: avedominusnox
everything will come out when i ll start my WIP renegades and heretics army :O crappppp
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Post by: widderslainte
Where are the photos or press release?
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Post by: Hulksmash
They said "erect powersword"....hehe
But seriously it's good to have more solid data on the equipment loadouts and about the hellbrute. The rest was pretty much out there already. I'm looking forward to this boxset.
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Post by: Just Dave
It all sounds good to me, minus the Hellbrute and the appearance that Chaos would get trashed in a straight-up fight between the two forces...
The Cultists and Terminators in particular sound good though.
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Post by: Gitkikka
Of all of the stuff listed, I am most excited about the cultists. Hopefully the loyalist marines will keep the DA imagry to a minimum (like the AoBR ones didn't have many Ultra markings).
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Post by: ceorron
This box set should be good. About time the Chaos Marines got some variety and weren't just spiky marines. This should be interesting just for that. Anything else will be a bonus.
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Post by: kronk
If it's +/- $100 US, I'm buying one. Perhaps I'll split two of these with two friends and take the chaos stuff. I'm up to my ears in Space Marines.
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Post by: ceorron
If you don't mind going to town with spikes and/or green stuff or if you are doing an undivided army then you could convert the Space Marine stuff.
That mean looking chaplain could be one of those new Dark Apostles. Just as a way of getting more out of the box for chaos players.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Just got back from camping, not read this yet but saw the title and started shaking. HEHEHEHEEEEE
Edit: Juicy juicy details are making me full.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Cultists sound fun, as does the Chaplain.
Is it wrong that one of my first thoughts on those Cultists was how I might use them for Necromunda (not that I have played that in recent years) 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
... and a limited edition Interrogator Chaplain
Limited edition? WTF?
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Post by: BrookM
H.B.M.C. wrote:... and a limited edition Interrogator Chaplain
Limited edition? WTF?
My thoughts exactly. Maybe it's a finecast addition, like how some of ye olde third edition starters had a metal Force Commander to go with the Marines.
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Post by: porkuslime
I am thinking the Hellbrute might be a "dreadnaught-lite" style of model... thinking Dread style weapons, not as much armor... and no wacky rules for movement and firing!
With a living and coherent pilot, this might be how GW intends to "fix" the Chaos Dread....
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Post by: thenoobbomb
This will be really cool.
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Post by: Hellfury
WarOne wrote:Regardless, so long as the set is below 150USD, I'd consider that a decent pick up.
Sad days we have when people consider $150 or below a decent price for a starter set. Sad days indeed.
It's such thoughts that make it easy for GW to rationalize $30 failcast characters as par for the course.
I am so damned glad I am no longer under that yoke.
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Post by: Rivet
This is fantastic, I cannot wait!
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Post by: kronk
H.B.M.C. wrote:... and a limited edition Interrogator Chaplain
Limited edition? WTF?
Strictly speaking, aren't all of the contents of the starter box limited edition?
Now that the Assault on Black Reach isn't for sale, where will you find the plastic DeffKoptas, Space Marine Captain, Dreadnought, and Warboss that was in AoBR (other than existing kits still floating around)?
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Post by: Snrub
3 Heros for one side? Seems slightly excessive.
BrookM wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:... and a limited edition Interrogator Chaplain
Limited edition? WTF?
My thoughts exactly. Maybe it's a finecast addition, like how some of ye olde third edition starters had a metal Force Commander to go with the Marines.
If it is a finecast model one would better bloody hope they make sure its not riddled with the usualy maladies (i doubt though that it would get any extra QA). If it is however a spec ed plastic model that would be boss as.
Heres hoping eh?
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Post by: filbert
Part of me thinks this is good, another part of me doesn't particularly want to buy it just to get a few usable models. As much as I like new stuff, I don't really need more tac marines or chosen, no matter how good they are. The final part of me suspects this box set will be priced in the order of £75 and if so, that's too rich for me, considering the AOBR one was £40 when it came out and that wasn't that long ago.
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Post by: Snrub
Also any solid date set for release? Do we know that yet?
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Post by: brettz123
kronk wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:... and a limited edition Interrogator Chaplain
Limited edition? WTF?
Strictly speaking, aren't all of the contents of the starter box limited edition?
Now that the Assault on Black Reach isn't for sale, where will you find the plastic DeffKoptas, Space Marine Captain, Dreadnought, and Warboss that was in AoBR (other than existing kits still floating around)?
If the limited edition thing is true I am guessing it means that the other stuff will be available separately. And that would be interesting!
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Hope we get to find the price soon, need to know if my pay will give me enough left over for dawnguard 
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Post by: Pilau Rice
filbert wrote:Part of me thinks this is good, another part of me doesn't particularly want to buy it just to get a few usable models. As much as I like new stuff, I don't really need more tac marines or chosen, no matter how good they are. The final part of me suspects this box set will be priced in the order of £75 and if so, that's too rich for me, considering the AOBR one was £40 when it came out and that wasn't that long ago.
Go halfs with you Filbert 
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Post by: Benamint
Well since I already agreed to go halves with a friend (on 2 boxes) it's nice to see what I will be getting for my money! I do hope the Hellbrute is a MC and not a walker.... Looks like I will be having a cultist horde! I'll just link them up with some traitor guard allies! Hordes of Chaos here I come!
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Pilau Rice wrote:filbert wrote:Part of me thinks this is good, another part of me doesn't particularly want to buy it just to get a few usable models. As much as I like new stuff, I don't really need more tac marines or chosen, no matter how good they are. The final part of me suspects this box set will be priced in the order of £75 and if so, that's too rich for me, considering the AOBR one was £40 when it came out and that wasn't that long ago.
Go halfs with you Filbert
Or sell a part in the swap shop
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Post by: deleted20250424
Zweischneid wrote:Is it wrong that one of my first thoughts on those Cultists was how I might use them for Necromunda (not that I have played that in recent years)
I mentioned that in the CSM thread. I *hope* they look like some of the Necromunda stuff, Cawdor makes good Cultists.
As for the " LE Chaplain" I'm doubting very much it will be Finecast and it's LE is due to the fact that it's "only available in the starter box" and wouldn't read too much more into it than that.
One would think that Finecast is not something GW wants their "Starter" set to contain. I call upon the powers of Little Timmy using this as his entry into the hobby. Finecast Character model is not the best starting point. Again, Limited Edition most likely refers to the fact the model is only obtained by purchasing the Starter Box.
The level of creation and detail GW has displayed in plastic (Space Hulk minis) should allow for some very nice minis in a Starter Box made from plastic. No need to use Finecast and it would only increase the amount of returns, loss of future sales due to possible quality issues, etc... Why would they take the chance?
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Post by: FirePainter
This sounds awesome. Here's hoping that this along with a new DA dex will finally allow for viable greenwing along with Death and Ravenwings. Contents sound good but I think GW will charge a bit too much but starter sets have been good for the price in the past so I have *hope* (read as "what little fanboy is left in me")
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Post by: scarletsquig
Finally, some stuff for Chaos that isn't just "Marines with Spikes".
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Post by: Nvs
Man, I was really hoping for some robed terminators and marines to really make the units stand out from the rest. Oh well. Will have to see how dynamic the terminators look to decide if I want to buy this box or not.
I wonder if the Chaplain is what makes the special/limited edition 40k box set stand out? Previous rumors said only 5000 were being made?
Just given his description it almost sounds like the box is worth buying for that mini alone.
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Post by: Phragonist
porkuslime wrote:I am thinking the Hellbrute might be a "dreadnaught-lite" style of model... thinking Dread style weapons, not as much armor... and no wacky rules for movement and firing!
With a living and coherent pilot, this might be how GW intends to "fix" the Chaos Dread....
I'm thinking of it more as a super-terminator, than a dreadnaught-lite. The 2+ save and probably high toughness and multiple wounds for being large will be much better than a dreadnaught with even lower armor values than a dreadnaught. Considering the two army lists in the box set, I doubt they intend the hellbrute to be one-shot at the begin of the game, leaving only cultists on the chaos side
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Post by: BlackRaven1987!!
I really want to see how the terminators look especially the sergeant with the wings I hope it looks epic if so would find a way to buy a bunch just to convert to BA terminators.
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Post by: pretre
Adding to the Rumor tracking thread.
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Post by: aka_mythos
H.B.M.C. wrote:... and a limited edition Interrogator Chaplain
Limited edition? WTF?
There was previously rumored to be two versions of the 6th ed. starter box... one of which was supposed to be limited edition. I can see this being part of that... GW will probably also do some little things like different colored dice or maybe the fancy templates, like they did with the bundled Rulebook, carry bag, dice, etc kit.
kronk wrote:
Strictly speaking, aren't all of the contents of the starter box limited edition?
Now that the Assault on Black Reach isn't for sale, where will you find the plastic DeffKoptas, Space Marine Captain, Dreadnought, and Warboss that was in AoBR (other than existing kits still floating around)?
Strictly speaking no... if its being advertsized as "limited edition" legally they're required to have a pre-established number or pre-established duration of availablility, though they aren't required to disclose what they are. If a company asserts something is limited edition, but don't follow that besides the liability of false advertisement they're opened up to a lawsuit for the diminished value above and beyond what was necessarily paid.
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Post by: kronk
So, if they run out of the limited edition dude, but then they find that more people are buying the starter sets than originally planned so they make another production run, they cannot included the LE figure?
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Post by: dajobe
i think the hellbrute sounds sweet, i would want to have one face off with a dreadknight(and smash the dreadknights face in)
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Post by: aka_mythos
kronk wrote:So, if they run out of the limited edition dude, but then they find that more people are buying the starter sets than originally planned so they make another production run, they cannot included the LE figure?
Correct, but there were rumors of a limited version of the starter set already. I guess this guy's part of it.
There are shennanigans they can play if they really wanted to reissue the miniature... such as "substantially altering it" by resculpting it even a little, or including extra pieces, or issuing it in metal or plastic instead of fincast.
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Post by: kronk
Coolio.
I better buy 5 then! Just in case they run out!
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Post by: wana10
Phragonist wrote:
I'm thinking of it more as a super-terminator, than a dreadnaught-lite. The 2+ save and probably high toughness and multiple wounds for being large will be much better than a dreadnaught with even lower armor values than a dreadnaught. Considering the two army lists in the box set, I doubt they intend the hellbrute to be one-shot at the begin of the game, leaving only cultists on the chaos side
It's going to be dreadnought-like because they need a vehicle in the set to show off the vehicle rules. Even if it does get popped early it allows new players to see how shooting interacts with armour, the difference in glancing and penatrating hits, how hull points work, and the pen chart.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
If I remember correctly they did this with the 3rd Edition box set. The first however-many came with the metal commander(which I got) and then when those ran out they simply continued making sets without that figure. The only thing on the outside of the box to distinguish it was a star-shaped sticker with the figure on it for the first sets.
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Post by: battlematt
well since I have sworn off buying finecast this poses a bit of a delema. If the starter box does include one model in finecast I guess I will be forced to buy it and then destroy the model. I think I will burn it in a small sacrificial bowl. Perhaps this will gain favor for the rest of the worthy models!!!
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Post by: pretre
Note that the finecast thing came from this thread and not a rumor.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Although I have no interest in 40k rules, looks like Ill be getting the box simply for the minis...from both sides. Keeping the Chosen, Hellbrute, & lord from Chaos, and the Termies and characters from DA. Ill be Ebaying the troops.
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Post by: pretre
Also, if you're going to destroy any models, I'll send you my address and pay for shipping. I'll destroy them for you. (Heh)
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Post by: AegisGrimm
It would be interesting to see how much Dark Angels iconography is sculpted onto the Space marines. Because if there's not much, then this sounds like it'll be a pretty expensive starter set, but at the same time be an inexpensive way to buy an entire army, by using the Dark Angels marines, terminators, and bikers as Chaos.
Then you'd have a force of:
-Lord
-Librarian as Sorcerer
-Choice of other two DA figures to be HQ characters
-Chosen
-Two units of Cultists
-a unit of Space marines
-a unit of Ternimators
-The Hellbrute
-Biker Squad
That's far better than a battleforce, although I'll almost guarantee than it'll be somewhere in the $100-$125 range with GW's prices lately.
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Post by: Symbio Joe
[...]Genstealer Cultists are in!
That’s right all you Genstealer Cult players… I refused point blank to believe that GW would ever release Genstealer Cultist, but they have. The Dark Vengeance boxed set (did I not mention the name previously?) will have 2 units of 10 Genstealer Cultist models, one armed with auto-guns (with a shotgun & CC weapon for the leader and a Heavy Stubber support trooper) and one with auto-pistol & CC weapon (with 2 CC weapons for the leader and a Flamer support model).
The Genstealer Cultist look like everything you’ve ever wanted for Cultists. They’re bound in rags, with metal half-masks and weapons that suit the cobbled-together, improvised look that you expect from the dregs of a Genstealer Cult.
[...]
This pleases me.
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Post by: kronk
Go ahead and kitbash up some Genestealer cultists, Joe. I'd like to see them!
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Post by: AegisGrimm
While I really like the idea of the Hellbrute for Chaos, as it's something that makes Chaos more than just spiky marines, I am kinda bummed at no update to the Dreadnought, as that figure is slightly old, lol.
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Post by: kronk
AegisGrimm wrote: I am kinda bummed at no update to the Dreadnought, as that figure is slightly old, lol.
I'm willing to put 100 interweb dollars that the Chaos Codex release will come with a plastic dreadnought kit (wave 1), or at least, a kit release in Wave 2.
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Post by: DAaddict
Perhaps with the new csm codex hellbrutes will replace the psychotic chaos dreads. It may be a nice change.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
I actually really wouldn't mind if Hellbrutes thematically replaced Dreadnoughts while functionally fitting the same niche, other than I have two Chaos dreadnoughts sitting in my old fores that I would like to keep playing.
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Post by: daedalus-templarius
Sounds like I should convert my regular non- GK marines to Chaos, then use this set to round them out  would love to have another army of Chaos + Daemons.
Hellbrute sounds like a Dreadknight, maybe smaller, tougher w/o a jumppack?
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Post by: Anpu42
I wonder with the “Dynamic Poses” they will be made of the same plastic as the Space Hulk mini’s, I could live with that.
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Post by: warboss
Anpu42 wrote:I wonder with the “Dynamic Poses” they will be made of the same plastic as the Space Hulk mini’s, I could live with that.
The snap fit on the space hulk minis wasn't the greatest (sometimes the only snap you got was when the peg would break!) but the poses were definitely dynamic. The starter set minis have been steadily getting better since second editions monopose (with 3rd edition being a bit atypical in that it used the new for that time standard tactical kit). AOBR definitely impressed me when it came out and hopefully this upcoming box will do the same.
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Post by: Gitzbitah
battlematt wrote:well since I have sworn off buying finecast this poses a bit of a delema. If the starter box does include one model in finecast I guess I will be forced to buy it and then destroy the model. I think I will burn it in a small sacrificial bowl. Perhaps this will gain favor for the rest of the worthy models!!!
Bravo, sir. I admire your style. Make sure your sacrificial container is a skull of some sort for maximum favor.
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Post by: Brother SRM
The Hellbrute is a renamed Chaos Dread from earlier rumors.
The only new thing I'm seeing is the chaplain rumor, everything else (down to the equipment of the squads) has been previously noted.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
I'm buying two for myself.
Selling one half of the Dangles. Trading the other half for more chaos.
Then i'll sell a Rulebook on Fleabay.
3 sets of Chaos !
Money!
Mini Rulebook!
Happy !
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Post by: Jacobshepard
I really wanted to see a chaos dreadnought  however, perhaps this 'Hellbrute' will be just as cool! Really excited to see Chaos Cultists and Ravenwing along with the variety of choices for DA Hq. I cannot wait to see the final product!
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Post by: Compel
I'm imagining the Hellbrute would be something like half way between the size of an obliterator and a demon prince with a similar function in the list to Space Wolf Lone Wolves. Possibly as an elites slot?
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Post by: snake
Wow sounds like Chaos is looking pretty good.
Now if they would only do Deathwing specific termies....
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Post by: Maverick421
DA I can't wait!!!
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Post by: Slinky
Brother SRM wrote:The Hellbrute is a renamed Chaos Dread from earlier rumors.
The only new thing I'm seeing is the chaplain rumor, everything else (down to the equipment of the squads) has been previously noted.
Don't think I'd seen the name of the box set previously?
*edit* "Dark Vengeance"
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Post by: Harriticus
Seeing as I haze a sizeable chaos army I'll pretty much get this no problem. Just the price....
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Post by: SickSix
Well, chaplain models have historically been the best models in 40k. So barring some strange instance of this rumored chaplain sculpt being terrible, I am going to have to buy this set. My willpower will not resist the temptation of a limited edition chaplain, not to mention a possible brand new Libby sculpt as well.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
I am sad there are no artist sketches to accompany this post :(
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Post by: daedalus-templarius
unmercifulconker wrote:I am sad there are no artist sketches to accompany this post :(
Me too!
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Post by: Archroy
The Chaos force sounds like it might be rather awesome... Can't wait to reinforce my existing CSM army... Like many I'm very interested in what the Helbrute thing will look/play like, and I'm positively drooling at the thought of cultists!
This isn't making me happy though...
The box will contain a Dark Angels Company Master (Balthasar)… resplendent with his erect Power Sword!
I just finished painting up an old metal DA Company Master yesterday (pix in my gallery). I bought it years ago, and thought it might rake in a few shekels on fleabay now that DA are getting some love, but if there's one in the box, will anyone want the old model? Damn you GW, you're fettling my entrepreneurial efforts!
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Post by: Brother SRM
Slinky wrote:Brother SRM wrote:The Hellbrute is a renamed Chaos Dread from earlier rumors.
The only new thing I'm seeing is the chaplain rumor, everything else (down to the equipment of the squads) has been previously noted.
Don't think I'd seen the name of the box set previously?
*edit* "Dark Vengeance"
That's true too, actually! I just hope that title is wrong because it's the most generic and lame title they could come up with. The other starters have been named after battles and I'm hoping for the same here. Dark Vengeance just sounds so... bleh. Like "Deadly Death" or something too horrible for 40k, which is already a ludicrously silly place with plenty of dumb naming conventions.
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Post by: BrookM
Brother SRM wrote:Slinky wrote:Brother SRM wrote:The Hellbrute is a renamed Chaos Dread from earlier rumors.
The only new thing I'm seeing is the chaplain rumor, everything else (down to the equipment of the squads) has been previously noted.
Don't think I'd seen the name of the box set previously?
*edit* "Dark Vengeance"
That's true too, actually! I just hope that title is wrong because it's the most generic and lame title they could come up with. The other starters have been named after battles and I'm hoping for the same here. Dark Vengeance just sounds so... bleh. Like "Deadly Death" or something too horrible for 40k, which is already a ludicrously silly place with plenty of dumb naming conventions.
This comes as a surprise after the last few named starter sets?
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
Aren't these going up for pre release in like two weeks for sale at the end of the month? 100 interweb dollarz says we'll have pics in the next seven days.
It'll be nice to see their new crack at cultists and the hellbrute, but I'm really really anxious to see the DA heroes.
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Post by: Crayola
I like how they took information we already knew a month and a half ago and somehow passed it off as their own.
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Post by: pretre
Crayola wrote:I like how they took information we already knew a month and a half ago and somehow passed it off as their own.
Or the people who told us the information a month and a half ago were right and this confirms it?
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Post by: Mad4Minis
SickSix wrote:Well, chaplain models have historically been the best models in 40k. So barring some strange instance of this rumored chaplain sculpt being terrible, I am going to have to buy this set. My willpower will not resist the temptation of a limited edition chaplain, not to mention a possible brand new Libby sculpt as well.
Agreed, its the special guys selling it for me. That and the termies...I just love em.
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Post by: CuddlySquig
just in case no one had brought it up yet: Pg 176 of the 6th BRB:
"Dark Vengeance. The Dark Angels 5th Company battles elements of the Crimson Slaughter for control of the Hellfire Stone. The Nephilim sector trembles as the hated foes clash."
Hellfire Stone? Crimson Slaughter? Sounds like a pulp fantasy novel. Can't they be more creative?
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Post by: pretre
CuddlySquig wrote:just in case no one had brought it up yet: Pg 176 of the 6th BRB:
"Dark Vengeance. The Dark Angels 5th Company battles elements of the Crimson Slaughter for control of the Hellfire Stone. The Nephilim sector trembles as the hated foes clash."
Hellfire Stone? Crimson Slaughter? Sounds like a pulp fantasy novel. Can't they be more creative?
Hi, Cuddysquig! Welcome to the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Obviously, you are new here since you seem so surprised. Feel free to ask if you have any questions and we'd be more than happy to help you out. Enjoy your stay in the Grimdark( tm) 41st millennium.
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Post by: Crayola
pretre wrote:Crayola wrote:I like how they took information we already knew a month and a half ago and somehow passed it off as their own.
Or the people who told us the information a month and a half ago were right and this confirms it?
Or, you know, what I initially said.
This confirms nothing except they took old info and called it new without giving proper credit to anyone who broke it.
I fail to see what your statement even really says, seems circular by default.
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Post by: deleted20250424
Crayola wrote:[Or, you know, what I initially said.
This confirms nothing except they took old info and called it new without giving proper credit to anyone who broke it.
I fail to see what your statement even really says, seems circular by default.
Now you just have BoW confused with BoLS.
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Post by: Kroothawk
I think previous CSM rumours strongly suggest that:
1.) there is a limited run of 5000 boxes that include the limited edition Interrogator Chaplain.
2.) the hellbrute is the new name/concept of the Chaos Dreadnought, just like Pariahs became Lychguard.
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Post by: pretre
From Faeit, and also from a store employee, so take with salt:
Mad Mek wrote:i was in my local GW for the 1st time in a while when the staff tried selling me a 6th ed rule book
i said i was going to wait for the starter set for the mini copy , i was then told by this staff the
starter set will not have the full rule set but a basic rule set and you still need to buy the big rule
book no matter weather you get the starter or not
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Post by: Hulksmash
Wow, if that's not true that little fella needs to be fired.
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Post by: pretre
Not the first time that a store employee has made gak up to try to sell more right now.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Let me rephrase
"When I managed retail if an employee would have been heard saying something that could shake consumer confidence in my store should it turn out not to be true that person would be....disciplined up to and including possible termination"
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Post by: pretre
Hehe. Good call. Most of the crud we hear about on here would get a normal employee fired if I managed them though.
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Post by: Hulksmash
True, but I can tell you acting that way when employed by Workshop in SoCal would have gotten you fired 7 years ago. Granted things change. But a basic understanding of trust being essential to that kind of business shouldn't. Oh well. Looking forward to the starter. Heres to hoping the Hellbrute fella is more like a DK. I love me some DreadKnight (spelled out to avoid easy jokes!)
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Post by: pretre
Yeah, I like that they are changing from the 'Look it is a normal dreadnought but EEEEVIL' to 'Look, this guy is f'in messed up and so we decided to give him a big suit of armor so he could work out his issues on loyalists.'
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Post by: Kirasu
Mad Mek wrote:
i was in my local GW for the 1st time in a while when the staff tried selling me a 6th ed rule book
i said i was going to wait for the starter set for the mini copy , i was then told by this staff the
starter set will not have the full rule set but a basic rule set and you still need to buy the big rule
book no matter weather you get the starter or not
Scan copy of your big rulebook (Remember its yours and you're not distributing it to anyone except yourself) + Print of scan at fedex in booklet form (Find friend who works at Fedex so its free) + Enjoy.
My entire playgroup had a mini rulebook a few days after the big one came out. Very useful.
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Post by: pretre
OMG PIRACY!
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Post by: Kirasu
Totally awful pirates buying the rulebook only to make a smaller version and never use the one we bought :(
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Post by: pretre
Kirasu wrote:Totally awful pirates buying the rulebook only to make a smaller version and never use the one we bought :(
PIRACY! WARGARBLE!
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Post by: nolzur
AegisGrimm wrote:...I'll almost guarantee than it'll be somewhere in the $100-$125 range with GW's prices lately.
I sure hope you are right. I am thinking that you are probably about $25-$50 short on your estimate.
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Post by: catharsix
pretre wrote:From Faeit, and also from a store employee, so take with salt:
Mad Mek wrote:i was in my local GW for the 1st time in a while when the staff tried selling me a 6th ed rule book
i said i was going to wait for the starter set for the mini copy , i was then told by this staff the
starter set will not have the full rule set but a basic rule set and you still need to buy the big rule
book no matter weather you get the starter or not
It's tough to decide whether or not to take this seriously. When faced with these two propositions:
1. GW will screw its customers by making them buy the starter box AND the rulebook
and
2. This particular GW grunt is lying or misinformed
Both seem perfectly likely. I guess we'll jsut have to wait and see. If #1. is true, I'm just gonna rely on freinds/opponents for the full rules. Like hell I'm shelling out $6-odd bucks for something that should come in the starter (which will likely already put me out $120+)
-C6
PS-I know that even at $120+, all the miniatures that will be in here will likely make it a worthwhile purchase. but it's still getting screwed when all previous editions came ready-to-play. Actually, thinking about it, thi is the strongest argument in favor of this NOT being true. GW wants to hook new people. Making it twice as complicated (you have to buy 2 different products) and ~50% more expensive seems like a plan so awful that even GW can recognize how bone-headed it would be.
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Post by: Anpu42
I wonder if the Heavy Stubber is just some guy holding it or is it like a Heavy Weapon Team?
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Post by: pretre
There is no T-E-A-M in Cultist. Automatically Appended Next Post: And... More Faeit
via Faeit 212 from Must Remain Anonymous Source wrote:
The post about the starter boxes rulebook is incorrect.
There's a "Let's Get Started" insert, that is 8.5"/11" and a few pages that goes over movement, shooting and close combat with full color pictures, and also includes all the rules for the models in the set. It's designed specifically for the starter and the examples it gives to explain things are with the units that you get in the box.
In addition, you also get a rulebook. It is a miniature, black and white softback of the main rulebook stripped of any of the fluff and most if not all of the images.
It includes all of the USRs and is word for word the rulebook.
There has been no internal email stating that the core set rulebook would be insufficient and to advise that.
Automatically Appended Next Post: In other words, the exact same as the last 2 editions. A getting started book and a mini rulebook.
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Post by: Brother SRM
BrookM wrote:This comes as a surprise after the last few named starter sets?
Assault on Black Reach and Battle for Macragge sound like battles that the set is themed around. Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.
TalonZahn wrote:Crayola wrote:[Or, you know, what I initially said.
This confirms nothing except they took old info and called it new without giving proper credit to anyone who broke it.
I fail to see what your statement even really says, seems circular by default.
Now you just have BoW confused with BoLS.
BoW did the same thing. I've read everything here except the "Dark Vengeance" title and the chaplain somewhere else.
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Post by: deleted20250424
Brother SRM wrote:BoW did the same thing. I've read everything here except the "Dark Vengeance" title and the chaplain somewhere else.
Yea, but it's not as fun to bag on BoW.
Of course they didn't have any sketches this time around so.....
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Post by: Breotan
Brother SRM wrote: Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.
Dark Vengance sounds more like the name of your 13 year old self's Goth band.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Brother SRM wrote:Assault on Black Reach and Battle for Macragge sound like battles that the set is themed around. Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.
Don’t act so surprised SRM. This is the same company that added ‘Blood’ to the start of damn near everything in the Blood Angel Codex, and the company that gave us the almighty NEMESIS DOOOOOOOM FIST!
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Post by: Brother SRM
H.B.M.C. wrote:Brother SRM wrote:Assault on Black Reach and Battle for Macragge sound like battles that the set is themed around. Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.
Don’t act so surprised SRM. This is the same company that added ‘Blood’ to the start of damn near everything in the Blood Angel Codex, and the company that gave us the almighty NEMESIS DOOOOOOOM FIST!
See, if it was Battle for Bloodskull Doomountain or something I'd be okay with it! I'm fine with silly naming conventions, and if they're themed that's a plus. Dark Vengeance just sounds so generic to me, like the subtitle for some bad JRPG.
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Post by: Palindrome
They could have at least included Cypher.
All I am really interested in is the mini rule book, I am amazed that GW doesn't sell this seperately.
The cultists and the Dread may find a home as well, depending on what they look like.
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Post by: warpcrafter
Pictures? Anybody? No? Okay...
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Post by: Starfarer
Hulksmash wrote:Let me rephrase
"When I managed retail if an employee would have been heard saying something that could shake consumer confidence in my store should it turn out not to be true that person would be....disciplined up to and including possible termination"
I can't speak with any real experience because there has never been an official GW store in Austin, but from lots of reports I've read online, aren't these guys pushed with crazy sales quotas? It seems if the company is pushing sales to the degree that the lowest level employees feel the need to deceive customers, you are approaching sales and customer interaction the wrong way. I find it hard to lay full blame on this employee to the point of calling for his job. If anything, I wonder what policies his manager or regional manager is promoting to drive this behavior. I would hazard a guess that most low level employees to engage in this type of behavior on their own accord without some drive from supervisors.
On topic, I'm super excited for cultists much more so now that we have a general idea of the look. It's about time they have official models that aren't the horrendous 3rd edition metals. The hellbrute could be cool as well. Depends where it fits in the FOC and what roll it fulfills.
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
Cypher is probably going to be one of the heroes in the chaos set as a mighty "SCREW YOU" to the DAs. It would be fitting.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Welp this pretty much seals it, I'll be buying one of these if the price is reasonable. I figure a BRB is $75 retail (I have yet to buy one) so I need a rule book and prefer the minis any way. I've also been interested in Marines or Chaos at some point or another. So half the set will stay with me, the other half with go to a friend, swap shop or ebay.
However to hit those margins properly I'd still want the set to be in the 100 range.
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Post by: Ehsteve
H.B.M.C. wrote:Brother SRM wrote:Assault on Black Reach and Battle for Macragge sound like battles that the set is themed around. Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.
Don’t act so surprised SRM. This is the same company that added ‘Blood’ to the start of damn near everything in the Blood Angel Codex, and the company that gave us the almighty NEMESIS DOOOOOOOM FIST!
Dark is the new Dark Angels buzzword. They'll have Dark Plasma, and Dark Missiles and DARKTEKBLOODNEMESISDOOMFISTS on all their sergeants when it turns out that they're just regular power fists with a fancy name.
In all seriousness though am looking forward to this interrogator chaplain, even if it's in some super secret DARK limited edition version which only a certain inner circle of GW know about.
I was half expecting the set to be called GRIM STOICISM instead.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Dark Missiles can only be fired on turns in which it's nightfight. You heard it here first, folks!
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Post by: Azreal13
I hope the bikes aren't Dangle heavy. I'm working on building the XIX Legion's mounted division and a ready source of cheap bikes from bits sellers would be most welcome!
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Post by: Mannahnin
pretre wrote:From Faeit, and also from a store employee, so take with salt:
Mad Mek wrote:i was in my local GW for the 1st time in a while when the staff tried selling me a 6th ed rule book
i said i was going to wait for the starter set for the mini copy , i was then told by this staff the
starter set will not have the full rule set but a basic rule set and you still need to buy the big rule
book no matter weather you get the starter or not
= Mad Mek has poor listening comprehension or GW storeboy has poor speaking communication, and was trying to tell him that he should still buy the big hardcover because it comes with all the awesome fluff and full color art and cool special campaign scenarios and stuff, "Of course you want all that stuff, so you should buy the big rulebook too."
The odds that the kid at GW was actually lying to him and claiming that the mini rulebook wouldn't have all the core rules are extremely remote. Sounds like a miscommunication blown up out of proportion by internet dramatics.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Stop using logic Mannahnin, use your outrage!
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Post by: aka_mythos
Kroothawk wrote:
2.) the hellbrute is the new name/concept of the Chaos Dreadnought, just like Pariahs became Lychguard.
I'm not contradicting this, but are we 100% sure of this? While I understand that the Dreadnought was being redone and this appears to match up with what had been said... I didn't see anything specifically attaching Hellbrute as the new name until now. I guess I'm thinking of it more from the standpoint maybe instead of being like Pariahs and Lychguard it's more like Veteran SM, Sternguard and Vanguard... Since I vaguely recall a rumor of the new CSM dread being a kit for two different variants.
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Post by: pretre
Mannahnin wrote:pretre wrote:From Faeit, and also from a store employee, so take with salt:
Mad Mek wrote:i was in my local GW for the 1st time in a while when the staff tried selling me a 6th ed rule book
i said i was going to wait for the starter set for the mini copy , i was then told by this staff the
starter set will not have the full rule set but a basic rule set and you still need to buy the big rule
book no matter weather you get the starter or not
= Mad Mek has poor listening comprehension or GW storeboy has poor speaking communication, and was trying to tell him that he should still buy the big hardcover because it comes with all the awesome fluff and full color art and cool special campaign scenarios and stuff, "Of course you want all that stuff, so you should buy the big rulebook too."
The odds that the kid at GW was actually lying to him and claiming that the mini rulebook wouldn't have all the core rules are extremely remote. Sounds like a miscommunication blown up out of proportion by internet dramatics.
Or just made up to get attention?
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Post by: Dr. What
Slightly off topic, but I've never bought a full starter set.
From my understanding, AoBR included stats for the models in the set, did it include point values?
I'm assuming that they'll follow that pattern for the new one.
Also: Has anybody seen a release date?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
IIRC they did not contain any points values, no.
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Post by: drunkorc
 i wounder if i could use the Marines as my Ultra Marines? but i guess if the dark angles are running around in their Robes, then i really dont think so.
but i always said that i want to get a Chaos army,... well no more excuses.
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Post by: psychadelicmime
I really like the sound of the half dreadnought, half terminator thing, sadly, I need to find something that I can proxy it for in my space marine army. if this has the mini rule book this starter set is as good as mine... however, if it does NOT have the rule book, I'll have a hard time buying it.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
nolzur wrote:AegisGrimm wrote:...I'll almost guarantee than it'll be somewhere in the $100-$125 range with GW's prices lately.
I sure hope you are right. I am thinking that you are probably about $25-$50 short on your estimate.
Unfortunately I am still part of the older group that calls $100-$125 an asininely high price for a starter set.
More than that and I'll just laugh and continue my Eldar army. Especially after what I'm getting in November with my Sedition Wars purchase for that much.
I'm still interested in how much Dark Angels logos the marines will have. If it's subdued, I could paint it as to look suitably different from the normal dark Angels sword-and eagle and make it the symbol of a personal Chaos force that doesn't use as many spikes on their armor. that would make the Chosen look even more elite, as only they would get to have spikes and blades.
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Post by: Charax
I'll just wait for it to come out then pick up the mini rulebook and any good models on ebay, same as AoBR. There are very few situations where you absolutely have to buy the whole starter (and if you're splitting it with a friend, the price isn't too horrific)
the Hellbrute doesn't excite me at all - we go from having a spiky dreadnought to a spiky dreadknight, big whoop, and unless the model is something exceptional, the description makes it sound like something that can be kitbashed easily
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Post by: Rivet
Several of us at my FLGS are splitting the purchase for the forces that we want to help mitigate some of the cost.
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Post by: Ouze
I hope many Bothans died to bring us this information.
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Post by: VermGho5t
Thank god this is a triple pay period month, and my birthday. I'll take three! I've eaten like a ramen king in the past, so shall it be again.
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Post by: frozenwastes
If GW is smart, they'll get rid of the mini-rulebook. It likely does cannibalize the sales of their larger book.
Jervis has said that the majority of GW customers don't actually play their rules, so for the majority of the people, a starter with some cool models and a little partial game you can play with the models inside there serves their purpose.
Instead of a mini-rulebook, they should probably put their printing resources into materials that would get a new person to buy the codex and the full rulebook. Maybe a coupon code for the iPad document apps GW is starting to sell as well.
Or spend the printing resources/budget on more scenarios and options for the stuff in the box and how to add additional purchases to the box set.
I know those of you who are sticking with 40k from one edition to the next probably want a mini-rulebook as it is certainly adds value to the starter. I'm just not sure there will be one in there this time.
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Post by: Tappers
I think there will be a mini-rulebook. I f you're twelve years old and want to get into the hobby, you're not exactly going to cash out on a £100 boxset and a £50 rulebook. GW are at least wise enough to know that this will put off quite a few potential customers.
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Post by: Eisenhorn
Its always been a game starter set not a hobby starter set.
I do not know why anyone would think it would not have a little rulebook
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Post by: LordofRust
Would it make more sense if the Chaplain was infact a Dark Apostle? I've heard rumours that the Apostle is meant to lead Cultists (by giving them bonuses), and that would split the heroes to two-a-piece.
(Although, maybe I'm looking for a semblance of balance or equity between the two forces that I know is just not going to happen..)
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Post by: Souleater
Is it Asmodai with the interesting face mask currently? A similar could be easily mistaken for (or converted to) a Dark Apostle.
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Post by: sennacherib
waiting to see what the models look like. we already knew what would be coming in the box, but i wonder how easty it would be to scrape off the DA stuff and convert to regular marines. Hmmm.
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Post by: winnertakesall
Not going to lie, I'm stupidly pleased I managed to get the news on here before anyone else. I think my life is pretty much complete.
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
For me, personally, the lack of a starter rulebook in the starter set would be a dealbreaker -- I would be putting my starter set money towards a hardback rulebook, and I'd probably be annoyed enough at having to do so that I'd wait a few months and look for a 2nd-hand one on eBay.
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Post by: sennacherib
Hopefullly the hellbrute does not look one tenth as lame as the dreadknight model. In all honesty i have yet to see a conversion of the model that looks one tenth as bad as the original. I also hope it has cool rules. I am looking forward to any new demon engines and if this is one of those, WOO HOO. if it looks lame it can be converted, but either way i think its cool that its not a new chaos dread. The old one is so cool ( JK ).
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Post by: LunaHound
Going to call this ahead of time.
Not agreeing 100% with the news.
The Chaos Chosen are called Drach"nych ( spelling edited )
And the Hellbrute isnt correct name ( edit Hell Beast ) , and it has aesthetics similar to Khorn Juggernaught ( metal flesh )
Also estimate either $118.99 OR $124.99 USD
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Post by: valdes312
Dr. What wrote:Slightly off topic, but I've never bought a full starter set.
From my understanding, AoBR included stats for the models in the set, did it include point values?
I'm assuming that they'll follow that pattern for the new one.
Also: Has anybody seen a release date?
Actually AoBR did have the point values of the units. It was in the Getting Started book, and it listed the point values of each unit and the total point value of each force. Haha and I'm pretty sure the space marines force was more points than the ork force.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
LunaHound wrote:The Chaos Chosen are called Drach"nych ( spelling edited )
And the Hellbrute isnt correct name, and it has aesthetics similar to Khorn Juggernaught ( metal flesh )
Also estimate either $118.99 OR $124.99 USD
Where are you getting this lil' Luna?
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Post by: LunaHound
H.B.M.C. wrote:LunaHound wrote:The Chaos Chosen are called Drach"nych ( spelling edited )
And the Hellbrute isnt correct name, and it has aesthetics similar to Khorn Juggernaught ( metal flesh )
Also estimate either $118.99 OR $124.99 USD
Where are you getting this lil' Luna?
I'll tell you if Im right. If Im wrong now I'll just be embarrassed ;_;
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Post by: SagesStone
Hell brute is probably Dreadnought, not knight.
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Post by: Grimtuff
frozenwastes wrote:If GW is smart, they'll get rid of the mini-rulebook. It likely does cannibalize the sales of their larger book.
Jervis has said that the majority of GW customers don't actually play their rules, so for the majority of the people, a starter with some cool models and a little partial game you can play with the models inside there serves their purpose.
Instead of a mini-rulebook, they should probably put their printing resources into materials that would get a new person to buy the codex and the full rulebook. Maybe a coupon code for the iPad document apps GW is starting to sell as well.
Or spend the printing resources/budget on more scenarios and options for the stuff in the box and how to add additional purchases to the box set.
I know those of you who are sticking with 40k from one edition to the next probably want a mini-rulebook as it is certainly adds value to the starter. I'm just not sure there will be one in there this time.
Seriously, if they've done away with the mini rulebook I'm done with 40k and GW. I really do not want to have to lug around a small cinderblock that I can use to inflict a good amount of blunt trauma on my opponent just to simply play a game.
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Post by: notprop
Ouze wrote:I hope many Bothans died to bring us this information.
Me too, those furry bastards ruin all the cool surprises for everyone for too long! Does anyone know the Bothanese for "No one likes a tell-tale-tit"?
I'll be getting this for sure. I want a mini rulebook plus I think i will want the miniatures assuming they are as good as the IoB stuff.
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Post by: aka_mythos
LunaHound wrote:
And the Hellbrute isnt correct name ( edit Hell Beast )...
This kinda goes back to what I was saying before... until now there wasn't really a new name attached to the revised "dreadnought"... The rumor is that the standalone chaos "dreadnought" kit is supposed to cover two variants... maybe this is where the contradictory naming is coming from. Hellbrute/Hellbeast, may well be the two different variants.
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Post by: mcpothead
Pretty disappointed that its 2 MEQ races.
Only going to make all new players collect marines even more so than allready.
Don't get me wrong I love chaos but something a bit different would have been nice.
Like Nids/Eldar for example.
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Post by: Palindrome
At least cultists are making their first appearance since 2nd ed so its not all bad.
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Post by: mcpothead
True say I am pleased about that seems alot more fluffy than scores of CSM's given there limited numbers
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Post by: Ouze
I remain excited about cultists, and should this be true would like to go halfsies with someone here who wants the Dangels parts.
"Dangels". That's so fetch.
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Post by: Grimtuff
Ouze wrote:I remain excited about cultists, and should this be true would like to go halfsies with someone here who wants the Dangels parts.
"Dangels". That's so fetch.
I will buy many many many Cultists by the bucketload off eBay if the models are any good. I wants me ragtag army of chod.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Dangels is wayyyyyyyyyyyy too close to "dangleberries". It'll never happen. Though I like fetch.
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Post by: mcpothead
What is fetch?
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Eh realized I might just wait and get the rule book off ebay, I have decent sized purchases I should already be making for my Guard and Sisters and I've been considering getting in to Infinity, $120 that doesn't further any of those three goals is a significant detour.
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Post by: Anpu42
Do to the fact that I host my local group’s games I will be probably picking up 2+ of them for four reasons.
1] The Little Rule Books so my big book will live longer.
2] To Expand my Dark Angels Army.
3] To finally start my Chaos Army.
4] With Pre-Measuring I will be cutting the red whip ticks into 6” and 12” Sections to speed up things.
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Post by: stuffah
H.B.M.C. wrote:LunaHound wrote:The Chaos Chosen are called Drach"nych ( spelling edited )
And the Hellbrute isnt correct name, and it has aesthetics similar to Khorn Juggernaught ( metal flesh )
Also estimate either $118.99 OR $124.99 USD
Where are you getting this lil' Luna?
I suspect from translating the Chinese version. The name on that is indeed Hellbeast, and in theory you could work out unit names from the Chinese (as I recall they did have 'personal' names) but given how much sounds change going into Chinese it'd be a tough call. Mind you, not sure where the metal flesh bit comes from. I would check the Chinese lists but... I've forgotten where they are in this wide internet.
-Edit: ah, found it. Yeah, the leader of the Chosen squad is called something like Draznich. If the stats are right the 'Hellbeast' has exactly the same stats as a Chaos Dread, and it's amusingly got the name 'Death Metal'. Certainly fits with the 'back to the good old jokey days' vibe GW's been rocking recently.
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Post by: thakabalpuphorsefishguy
Hulksmash wrote:They said "erect powersword"....hehe
But seriously it's good to have more solid data on the equipment loadouts and about the hellbrute. The rest was pretty much out there already. I'm looking forward to this boxset.
well combining the statements about the starter set, with the rumors of the up and coming chaos dex, and that power sword isnt the only thing that is erect... (Nerd bon er)
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Post by: pretre
LunaHound wrote:Going to call this ahead of time.
Not agreeing 100% with the news.
The Chaos Chosen are called Drach"nych ( spelling edited )
And the Hellbrute isnt correct name ( edit Hell Beast ) , and it has aesthetics similar to Khorn Juggernaught ( metal flesh )
Also estimate either $118.99 OR $124.99 USD
Oooh, are these guesses or you want me to list you as a rumor monger?
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Any word or at least good guess at when this will be available?
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Post by: pretre
September from most rumors.
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Post by: Rivet
Supposedly the beginning of September (first week or so) with the Chaos Codex coming at the end of September.
(This is me guessing, please do not add me as a rumor monger)
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Post by: Palindrome
The date that I heard was the 1st of September.
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Post by: pretre
Rivet wrote:Supposedly the beginning of September (first week or so) with the Chaos Codex coming at the end of September.
(This is me guessing, please do not add me as a rumor monger)
lol
Too late! j/k
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Post by: Rivet
pretre wrote:Rivet wrote:Supposedly the beginning of September (first week or so) with the Chaos Codex coming at the end of September.
(This is me guessing, please do not add me as a rumor monger)
lol
Too late! j/k
Oh noes!
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Post by: nolzur
Anpu42 wrote:
4] With Pre-Measuring I will be cutting the red whip ticks into 6” and 12” Sections to speed up things.
You may want to check the lengths on those sticks, as they are not to scale. The 1" marks are not 1", they are shorter. On the total length of the stick, IIRC you lose about 1/4"
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
So, the sticks are made by men? Yeah baby, this is 8 inches. Trust me.
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Post by: Alpharius
We're lurching towards "Close Immediately" territory now.
If there's nothing On Topic to discuss...
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Post by: The Shadow
Sounds awesome! Really excited for this
I don't exactly play Chaos, and only have an army of them because I keep my Uncle's for him (he never uses them elsewhere). However, these Cultists sound like they'll look awesome and the Hellwotsit sounds pretty cool. Maybe the new Codex will pique my interest and encourage me to play some games with them.
Any news on the release date/month yet?
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Post by: Grimtuff
The Shadow wrote:
Any news on the release date/month yet?
Further up this very page.
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Post by: RedNephilim
Phragonist wrote:porkuslime wrote:I am thinking the Hellbrute might be a "dreadnaught-lite" style of model... thinking Dread style weapons, not as much armor... and no wacky rules for movement and firing!
With a living and coherent pilot, this might be how GW intends to "fix" the Chaos Dread....
I'm thinking of it more as a super-terminator, than a dreadnaught-lite. The 2+ save and probably high toughness and multiple wounds for being large will be much better than a dreadnaught with even lower armor values than a dreadnaught.
More like a Chaos Marine version of Ghazghkull on a dread base i would guess
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Post by: Kroothawk
Rivet wrote:Several of us at my FLGS are splitting the purchase for the forces that we want to help mitigate some of the cost.
Okay, I take the Xenos
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Post by: English Assassin
Kroothawk wrote:Okay, I take the Xenos
Did you miss the memo, Kroot? It's narrative differences that we all want now, not those silly rules.
So... spikes or robes? Let's forge a narrative...
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Post by: baptistcreature
More interested in the possible Necromunda uses for the Chaos Cultists than anything else in the box.
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Post by: sennacherib
Contradictory to some opinions, it is not a only MEQ set.
There are 20 chaos cultists involved. Hopefully they are cheaper than gaurdsman and equavilent in melee.
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Post by: aka_mythos
The rumor was guard stats except for having only a 6+ save at 4pts a model... Auto guns or auto pistols and close combat weapons.... 1 in 10 may have flamer or heavy stubber...
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Post by: Happygrunt
Well, time to start saving up...
I am going to NEED that Chaplin. I don't want it, I NEED it.
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Post by: quilava1
Trying to decide if I should use cultists as actual cultists or another vet/platoon squad in my renegade guard. probably the codex csm rules because codex ig doesn't let you have pistol/cc weapon :(
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
How 'bout we don't quite count our chickens until they've hatched. We don't know how conversion friendly the Cultists are going to be. Kroothawk wrote:Okay, I take the Xenos
Silly Kroot. MEQ v MEQ is the future. It's more cinematic!
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Post by: Malcontent
As a Night Lords player, I hope the hellbrute isn't too gribbly, but the bikes will provide me with a unit or two, that depending on the next chaos codex should be pretty good.
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Post by: sennacherib
aka_mythos wrote:The rumor was guard stats except for having only a 6+ save at 4pts a model... Auto guns or auto pistols and close combat weapons.... 1 in 10 may have flamer or heavy stubber...
sounds right on to me. I will take 40 please.
I wonder how big a squad they can form. Maybe i need 60 to for two large blobs.
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Post by: Palindrome
IIRC the squad size is supposed to be10-30.
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Post by: RyanA
I want picturehurehureeesss D: Nice find though...I might end up reconsidering selling all my warhammer and get one of these box sets, maybe xD
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Post by: quilava1
sennacherib wrote:aka_mythos wrote:The rumor was guard stats except for having only a 6+ save at 4pts a model... Auto guns or auto pistols and close combat weapons.... 1 in 10 may have flamer or heavy stubber...
sounds right on to me. I will take 40 please.
I wonder how big a squad they can form. Maybe i need 60 to for two large blobs.
love to see an all cultist army led by a DA Fallen lord and like 5 DA Fallen termies
it'd make sense
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Post by: Melissia
So... a box of marines vs marines.
So lazy and boring....
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Post by: Compel
That's a bit of an over exaggeration...
There's a grand total of 7 chaos marine models on the baddies side...
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Post by: Testify
Melissia wrote:So... a box of marines vs marines.
So lazy and boring....
Did you read the OP?
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Post by: warboss
Melissia wrote:So... a box of marines vs marines.
So lazy and boring....
I guess they can take solace in the gobs of money that it will sell compared to a Nids vs Dark Eldar box. I'm sorry but there isn't anything lazy or boring about Chaos versus Dark Angels just because you personally don't like them. Just as much time and effort go into designing the figs and molds of them as would most other armies and both have interesting backgrounds to accompany them. They also happen to be two armies that haven't gotten much attention since mid 4th edition model-wise. I applaud their decision as more people buying the intro likely means a larger player base in this shrinking hobby.
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Post by: Harriticus
Melissia wrote:So... a box of marines vs marines.
So lazy and boring....
I bash GW loads for their obsession with MEQ's, but Chaos Space Marines are an utterly unique-feeling army and this box comes with things like cultists and daemon engines. It's hardly Blood Angels vs Black Templars, which I'd agree would be "Marines vs Marines".
These starter sets are always Marines vs. Marine enemy. Before it was Orks, before that it was Dark Eldar (I think...). Makes sense it'd be Chaos' turn eventually.
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Post by: Melissia
If it was LatD or Chas daemons, I might agree, but it's CSMs.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
and thats bad?
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Post by: Enzephalon
The release date of the starter set is the 25th of August according to this invitation I got at my local GW in Vienna today.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Melissia wrote:If it was LatD or Chas daemons, I might agree, but it's CSMs.
An army of 20 cultists with a mere handful of Chaos Marines is pretty damn close to LatD. Read the actual contents of the box (and therefore the OP) before you excrete such lazy, tired complaints.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
Brother SRM wrote:Melissia wrote:If it was LatD or Chas daemons, I might agree, but it's CSMs.
An army of 20 cultists with a mere handful of Chaos Marines is pretty damn close to LatD. Read the actual contents of the box (and therefore the OP) before you excrete such lazy, tired complaints.
Well gak...
I agree though
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Post by: Sharkvictim
I don't know if I'm going to convert the DA stuff to chaos or trade it day one. Decisions decisions...
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
uh...
You'd have thought they would have translated Games-Workshop-Hobbycentre to a full German word.
So I guess that picture confirms the cat is pretty much on its way out of the bag.
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Post by: Enzephalon
Mathieu Raymond wrote:uh...
You'd have thought they would have translated Games-Workshop-Hobbycentre to a full German word.
So I guess that picture confirms the cat is pretty much on its way out of the bag.
That would be "Spielewerkstatt-Freizeitaktivitätszentrum". ^^
On a serious note... Hobby is a pretty common anglicism in the german language.
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Post by: warboss
Is it common for advertisments in german to use the informal "du"? Our teacher in high school always stressed how formal the language is so that part suprised me.
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Post by: Enzephalon
warboss wrote:Is it common for advertisments in german to use the informal "du"? Our teacher in high school always stressed how formal the language is so that part suprised me.
No... It's not really common, but that's part of GWs "Let's all be friends" mentality.
At least around here.
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Post by: Kroothawk
warboss wrote:Is it common for advertisments in german to use the informal "du"? Our teacher in high school always stressed how formal the language is so that part suprised me.
It is common if you expect to talk to 10-15 year old customers
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Post by: Quintinus
Melissia wrote:If it was LatD or Chas daemons, I might agree, but it's CSMs.
With 20 cultists, 7 Marines as support, and a Hellbrute/chaos armored giant thing, it's pretty dang close to Lost and the Damned as far as armies go. And you keep whining about stuff that people have said over and over isn't true. It's not just Marines v Marines. Now Melissia, what I want you to do is look at your post. Back to mine. Back to yours NOW BACK TO MINE. Sadly, it isn't mine. But if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate crap it could LOOK like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through the thread, finding the ones that your post could look like. Back at mine, what is it? It's an interesting counter-point. Look again; my post is now exalted. Anything is possible when you stay on topic and don't troll. I'm in a car.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Vladsimpaler wrote:Anything is possible when you stay on topic and don't troll. I'm in a car.
And thus we see the price of hubris...
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Post by: pretre
She's branching out. Good times. I'm afraid this starter may start a new army for me. Last thing I need. Lol
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Not for me. I'm torn.
I don't want any Dark Angels... but I want Cultists more than anything!
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Post by: Dr. Delorean
God damn it, I can't afford this! I wonder how long it will take for those cultists to go up on eBay, given that there were many people in this thread (even just above me!) who seem to want them too.
Also when was the next WD slated for release? Depending on that, it might lend credence to that "25th of August" note someone just posted.
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Post by: TzeentchNet
With any luck the loyalist sculpts can be awakened to their true destiny as Chaos Marines, I'm ambivalent on the cultists as it looks like only Nurgle (which I avoid) can do fun things with them.
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Post by: FrozenSoul80
25.8.2072?
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Post by: pretre
2012. Geeze. Common sense?
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Post by: DIDM
Melissia wrote:So... a box of marines vs marines.
So lazy and boring....
yep, to a company that has basically hooked all their modern players it is silly to make a STARTER set to try and draw in new customers that will join the flock.
This is a game of good vs evil basically, and there is no finer way to do that then good super human vs bad super humans
there were no orks storming the local GW or FLGS to buy AOBR
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I wonder how easy it will be to convert the chaos models into loyalists...
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Post by: loki old fart
Looks like my grandson's getting some dark angels, to play with. 
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Post by: Melissia
H.B.M.C. wrote:Vladsimpaler wrote:Anything is possible when you stay on topic and don't troll. I'm in a car.
And thus we see the price of hubris...
I see that good humor is still beyond you. pretre wrote:She's branching out. Good times. I'm afraid this starter may start a new army for me. Last thing I need. Lol
I dunno, I haven't gotten a starter kit since waaaay back when battle for macragge was released. Sadly, that's about when I found out that I really just didn't care about Tyranids, so I sold off most of the set (I have some terrain pieces and a single painted model) so I could get some more Orks. This set doesn't look like it'll be any different. I regret not getting Black Reach though... but sadly, finances got in the way of that :/ edit: huh, it's still for sale. But still out of my reach in terms of price :/
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Post by: Palindrome
DIDM wrote:
there were no orks storming the local GW or FLGS to buy AOBR
By that logic the starter set should really only contain IG and cultists.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Dr. Delorean wrote:I wonder how long it will take for those cultists to go up on eBay,
Also when was the next WD slated for release? Depending on that, it might lend credence to that "25th of August" note someone just posted.
Mine will hit Ebay the day I get the box. Same with the DA tac squad and bikers. All I want is the CSM (chosen), Hellbrute, DA termies and SCs. Everything else will be sold, and quickly.
Id say Sept 1 will be the actual release date, as its the first Saturday in the month, with preorders likely to open the 25th of Aug, which is the Saturday before the 1st.
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Post by: Formosa
If everyone is selling the DA my life will be great... sooo much cheap DW Termies/Ravenwing.. gonna rock the caspar
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Post by: English Assassin
Formosa wrote:If everyone is selling the DA my life will be great... sooo much cheap DW Termies/Ravenwing.. gonna rock the caspar
Surely "rock the casbah"?
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Post by: warboss
English Assassin wrote:Formosa wrote:If everyone is selling the DA my life will be great... sooo much cheap DW Termies/Ravenwing.. gonna rock the caspar
Surely "rock the casbah"?
Leave him alone. He's happy and just wants to party like its 1998.
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Post by: RyanA
Well for all you chaos fans I've seen who want to convert the Dark Angels models to chaos, just add a few spikes to them and call them Fallen ;D
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Post by: adamsouza
RyanA wrote:Well for all you chaos fans I've seen who want to convert the Dark Angels models to chaos, just add a few spikes to them and call them Fallen ;D
That was the first thought I had on day one when the contents were spoiled. Okay, maybe not to add spikes, but to convert the Dark Angels to Chaos.
The new Starter is like a Mega Chaos Battleforce.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Faeit212 wrote:The 25th is the white dwarf which is all about the new starter and chaos space marines.
Pre-Orders for the new starter set begin on the 25th, for release on the 1st.
Seems that some GW stores invite for the 25th August to celebrate the starter set release (or watch the webstore preorder page together, whatever).
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Post by: ironicsilence
I wonder if GW will be selling the starter set early at gen con, maybe 1 per customer?
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Post by: Bolognesus
ironicsilence wrote:I wonder if GW still be selling the start set early at gen con, maybe 1 per customer?
... you're kidding, right?
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Post by: ironicsilence
GW didn't go exclusive on any of there product for Gen Con, so unless they are expecting to sell a crap ton of forgeworld, I cant imagine how they would expect to sell much stuff in a room full of discounters unless they sell stuff you can't get anywhere else
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
If they invited people in for the pre-order of the rulebook that rocked the world, then I highly doubt they will change their pattern of the last few months and do the invite for the actual release.
Speaking of these events, I've never been, but I know my local GW store, and they don't do much in the way of cool factor (although this might be due to low budget from upstairs and the lack of space). Is it really just "watching the pre-order screen" in the corner and again re-hashing which inquisitor is the best?
I've never felt as awkward in a room full of 20 and 30 somethings discussing which 40k species' girls they like to date. I really, really wanted to quit the hobby at that point. Yes, I sound judgmental. Maybe I am a bit.
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Post by: adamsouza
Pfft.... That silly....
Eldar Babes All the way !!!
There are no female space marines
Sisters of Battle would probably kill you
Tryanids would kill you and eat you
Genestealers would impregnate you and kill and eat you later.
Necrons.....they don't have girly parts.
Chaos would kill, rape, and eat you, and your lucky if it's in that order.
Dark Eldar would skin you alive and then kill you.
Imperial females some how only seem to be Catachans, Guant's Ghosts, or Commisars and would make them manlier than you.
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Post by: ironicsilence
adamsouza wrote:Pfft.... That silly....
Eldar Babes All the way !!!
they dont call them howling banshees for nothing....
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
At least you guys are making funnies. They were wayyyyyyyy too into it.
But back on topic: concerning the Hellbrute (or whatever). Do you think this unit will suffer from the same problem as the plastic deffcoptas did (namely, being only available from the starter set? I'm not sure I fancy having to scour eBay or bitz stores to find enough to make a decent unit or spam them (if they are that good) And I refuse to believe GW would entertain the idea that someone would buy three complete sets for that mini alone...
... oh wait... plastic cultists too... damn you GW!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Hahah when you think about it Mathieu buying two starter sets and buying a bunch of chaos bitz off line would give you a pretty hardcore Chaos army from the get go. Lots of terminators, plenty of CSM, cultists, two hellbeasts. Especially if you convert the DA.
As to 40k girls, I think I'd get along well with a SoB, we share similar interests and hobbies, such as pyromania.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Mathieu Raymond wrote:At least you guys are making funnies. They were wayyyyyyyy too into it.
But back on topic: concerning the Hellbrute (or whatever). Do you think this unit will suffer from the same problem as the plastic deffcoptas did (namely, being only available from the starter set? I'm not sure I fancy having to scour eBay or bitz stores to find enough to make a decent unit or spam them (if they are that good) And I refuse to believe GW would entertain the idea that someone would buy three complete sets for that mini alone...
... oh wait... plastic cultists too... damn you GW!!!!!!!!!
I feel like GW is pretty happy to make Dreadnought (or equivalent) kits. The number of plastic loyalist Dreadnoughts is astounding, and I can see them making a nice Chaos kit to match.
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Post by: Kroothawk
adamsouza wrote:Pfft.... That silly....
Eldar Babes All the way !!!
There are no female space marines
Sisters of Battle would probably kill you
Tryanids would kill you and eat you
Genestealers would impregnate you and kill and eat you later.
Necrons.....they don't have girly parts.
Chaos would kill, rape, and eat you, and your lucky if it's in that order.
Dark Eldar would skin you alive and then kill you.
Imperial females some how only seem to be Catachans, Guant's Ghosts, or Commisars and would make them manlier than you.
You forgot something
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Tau??? That's one Heresy too far, Kroot.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
H.B.M.C. wrote:Tau??? That's one Heresy too far, Kroot.
Come now. Love can BLAM was awesome!
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Post by: SoloFalcon1138
Good to see this thread is still on topic...
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Post by: Symbio Joe
Apperently the starter is not so much good Space Marines vs. Spikey Space Marines but Marines vs. 20 squishy humans and a bunch of Chosen feeding their Lord, who is carried around by a big ugly guy, popcorn, while they watch the slaughter.
Also I do not mind about how conversion friendly the cultists will be, worst case scenario is a two part mold: Full body, and hands with the gun attached as second bit.
Intersting question is if they will be Catachan body builders or flimsy like the demonnetts.
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Post by: Bolognesus
SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Good to see this thread is still on topic...
And so very family-friendly... they dont call them howling banshees for nothing....they dont call them howling banshees for nothing....
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Post by: Bloodhorror
Oddly aroused...
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Post by: Eilif
Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Speaking of these events, I've never been, but I know my local GW store, and they don't do much in the way of cool factor (although this might be due to low budget from upstairs and the lack of space)...
I've never felt as awkward in a room full of 20 and 30 somethings discussing which 40k species' girls they like to date. I really, really wanted to quit the hobby at that point. Yes, I sound judgmental. Maybe I am a bit.
I can relate to this. I made the mistake of dragging my wife into the Chicago Battle Bunker. To be fair as with all wargamers, over 50% of the players were "normal", but the kid in a cape and boonie cap (I assume he was a gaunt's ghost...) a few of the more slovenly individuals and some of the more boisterous types really helped solidify her negative opinion of the hobby.
To be fair Historical gamers aren't much better. HMGS conventions are often awash with the elderly, beards and obesity....
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
My favorite historical gamers are the "barely" covert Nazis... those guys are a real hoot and can actually be a pain to pick out without speaking to them because while their perfectly painted Waffen SS army seems like it would be a tip off, it might just be a guy who's so obsessed with historical accuracy that he can't sleep at night if one of his Panzer III's serial numbers don't match the known serial numbers for the historical unit he's portraying in miniature format.
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Post by: adamsouza
Kroothawk wrote:
You forgot something
I think the artist there is guilty of wishful thinking. I always assume Tau Female are bald, like the males.
Eldar Babes All the way !!!
There are no female space marines
Sisters of Battle would probably kill you if you even mentioned desecrating their temple
Tryanids would kill you and eat you
Genestealers would impregnate you and kill and eat you later.
Necrons.....they don't have girly parts.
Chaos would kill, rape, and eat you, and your lucky if it's in that order.
Dark Eldar would skin you alive and then kill you.
Imperial females some how only seem to be Catachans, Guant's Ghosts, or Commisars and that would make them manlier than you.
Tau would brainwash you into believing cross species copulation would be against the Greater Good
Kroot females would eat you, but not in the good way
Eldar Babes have Daddy Issues, guilt over unleashing Chaos on the universe, and are desperate to propagate
Eldar Babes are like lonely, self loathing, super model hot, single chicks, in a bar with low self esteem and daddy issues just waiting for anyone for ask them to dance, except it's war time and they're desperately wishing for some one to appreciate them as a woman, and not just another citizen soldier .
On Topic: does anyone know if any of the Cultist Models are female ?
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Post by: protonhunter
H.B.M.C. wrote:Tau??? That's one Heresy too far, Kroot.
Wait I thought that the new fluff was something like Smurfs were created to protect Tau ginger chicks (notice they have no souls) cuz the emprah was planning for neck beards every were to fap the chaos gods out of existence...or something like that...
OT dem cultists! I just want to take a bit out of that heresy
OTOT: Cultists might be the coolest new model that's completely useless to me if they don't incorporate some special rule that you can use them as something other than fodder
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Post by: Mad4Minis
protonhunter wrote:
OTOT: Cultists might be the coolest new model that's completely useless to me if they don't incorporate some special rule that you can use them as something other than fodder
Im betting they are just going to be meat-shields. The real question is are they going to be cool looking meat-shields? Also, they will add a new variety to Chaos armies. It will help to make many Chaos armies something more than just spikey marines.
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Post by: Sunoccard
Even if cultists are just a mass of flesh, they'd still serve their purpose and be fluffy to boot. Here's hoping I can put a CSM Chosen as a squad leader.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
Heres hoping that if an enemy unit shoots through a unit of cultists, i can elect to roll a 4+ cover save at the expense of one of my Cultists !
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Post by: Nuclear Mekanik
adamsouza wrote:Pfft.... That silly....
Eldar Babes All the way !!!
There are no female space marines
Sisters of Battle would probably kill you
Tryanids would kill you and eat you
Genestealers would impregnate you and kill and eat you later.
Necrons.....they don't have girly parts.
Chaos would kill, rape, and eat you, and your lucky if it's in that order.
Dark Eldar would skin you alive and then kill you.
Imperial females some how only seem to be Catachans, Guant's Ghosts, or Commisars and would make them manlier than you.
No no no... Kara Swole from the Ravenor books all the way!! She's Black Widow from the Avengers, but *from the future*!!!
Also, I think we've stumbled across why Orks are so angry and fighty all the time... if someone could genetically engineer some Orky girls,  they'd be too busy chasing them round the galaxy to invade Imperial worlds anymore. You'd be awarded the Council of Terra's peace prize for services to Humanity... posthumously, obviously, after being summarily executed for dabbling in Xenos biotechnology. 
Edit: On Topic, I will be buyign at least two of the new starter kits, especially if they are priced as reasonably as AOBR was, just for the mini rulebooks and templates, and taking my pick of a few nice models to keep and paint, and selling the rest on, so there will be plenty of cultists and DA marines floating around the trade section!!
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Female cultists would be a great thing! I have the feeling we are in an Enki Bilal comic book when I play, sometimes.
(La Foire aux Immortels had women kept in closed hospices to produce babies en masse)
You had to make that Tau girl a redhead... dammit, now I gotta ask my gf to paint her skin blue for kicks.
Is there a reason why GW keeps the females segregated that way? What, DE, SoB and... that's it?
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Post by: Lockark
Sunoccard wrote:
Even if cultists are just a mass of flesh, they'd still serve their purpose and be fluffy to boot. Here's hoping I can put a CSM Chosen as a squad leader.
Their was a rumor that DP vheclies would be able to "eat" friendly models to repair them selves, along with getting "it will not die", the deamon rule (++5Sv and fear) and all the benefits it does now.
Does that mean 3 defilers surrounded with a blob of 30 cultists the most unkillable thing you could put on the board?
O___o
Every time you knock some hull points off it just eats some more cultists to heal it self. lol
Heck even throw a Warpsmith behind thows suckers. Bassicly you would have to one shot it to get rid of it. XD
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Mathieu Raymond wrote:Female cultists would be a great thing! I have the feeling we are in an Enki Bilal comic book when I play, sometimes.
(La Foire aux Immortels had women kept in closed hospices to produce babies en masse)
You had to make that Tau girl a redhead... dammit, now I gotta ask my gf to paint her skin blue for kicks.
Is there a reason why GW keeps the females segregated that way? What, DE, SoB and... that's it?
Girl power's in the fluff. Tanith 1st and Only, Valhallan regiments and a few other places all confirm all female regiments of the Imperial Guard and mixed gender regiments. It's not the Imperium keeping up with the segregation it's GW not providing sculpts.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Mathieu Raymond wrote:Female cultists would be a great thing! I have the feeling we are in an Enki Bilal comic book when I play, sometimes.
I doubt there will be cultist women.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
You had to make that Tau girl a redhead... dammit, now I gotta ask my gf to paint her skin blue for kicks.
And cut her nose off? *horror*
. I dunno about T'au women. The blue skin I could deal with just fine, but the hooves and the lack of nose would throw me off my game a bit.
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Post by: wuestenfux
What's the reason to have Dark Angels in the starter box?
Something rationale behind?
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Post by: Nvs
wuestenfux wrote:What's the reason to have Dark Angels in the starter box?
Something rationale behind?
They haven't had their time in the sun yet?
They have a stronger link to Chaos than most?
They're green?
They're the 1st legion?
The dart landed on their picture?
Take a pick.
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Post by: wuestenfux
Nvs wrote:wuestenfux wrote:What's the reason to have Dark Angels in the starter box?
Something rationale behind?
They haven't had their time in the sun yet?
They have a stronger link to Chaos than most?
They're green?
They're the 1st legion?
The dart landed on their picture?
Take a pick.
Then I'm picking the first.
My Ravenwing Bikers haven't seen the sun: http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/136107-.html?m=2
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I go for throw a dart (after tearing off the basic SM picture)
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Post by: English Assassin
Because it was cinematic?
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Post by: battlematt
Grot cultists? Cover save for chaos marines when firing through them? Do they clear mine fields too?
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Post by: SlaveToDorkness
AegisGrimm wrote:You had to make that Tau girl a redhead... dammit, now I gotta ask my gf to paint her skin blue for kicks.
And cut her nose off? *horror*
. I dunno about T'au women. The blue skin I could deal with just fine, but the hooves and the lack of nose would throw me off my game a bit.
don't forget the "thingy" they have on their foreheads. That's convenience!
So.... are their any pics yet?
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Post by: Bonde
I am really hoping that the cultists will get some nice special rules and supporting characters, because they don't have an orders system or commisars like the Guardsmen of the Imperial Guard does. Oh boy, it's going to be so hard not to start another horde army.
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Post by: Kroothawk
wuestenfux wrote:What's the reason to have Dark Angels in the starter box?
Something rationale behind?
To make everyone start a new SM army ... in GREEN!
SlaveToDorkness wrote:AegisGrimm wrote:You had to make that Tau girl a redhead... dammit, now I gotta ask my gf to paint her skin blue for kicks.
And cut her nose off? *horror*
. I dunno about T'au women. The blue skin I could deal with just fine, but the hooves and the lack of nose would throw me off my game a bit.
don't forget the "thingy" they have on their foreheads. That's convenience!
So.... are their any pics yet?
Sure:
Might be somewhat NWS. Reds8n
Join them for the Greater Good
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Post by: adamsouza
Kroothawk wrote:
Join them for the Greater Good
If that's what they are delivering for joining the Greater Good, I'm in.
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Post by: nerdfest09
If that's what they are delivering for joining the Greater WOOD, I'm in.
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Post by: ironicsilence
wuestenfux wrote:What's the reason to have Dark Angels in the starter box?
Something rationale behind?
with termis being pretty sexy in 6th edition, maybe the best way to get more people playing dark angels is to give the new blood a taste in the starter set. Or likely it was just that Dark Angels were the next SM chapter to get a codex refresh so they figured might as well go all out and put them in the starter set
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Post by: Bloodwin
Bonde wrote:I am really hoping that the cultists will get some nice special rules and supporting characters, because they don't have an orders system or commisars like the Guardsmen of the Imperial Guard does. Oh boy, it's going to be so hard not to start another horde army.
They could have orders for crazed assualts like the cultists on Calth in Know No Fear. Their versions of Commissars could whip them into a frenzy so that they'd charge anything regardless of how powerful it was. That way they could act as a tar pit to hold up the enemy while the bigger firepower or elite allies get into position. They could be a lot of fun as a horde of crazed fanatics rather than recoloured Imperial Guard.
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Post by: RyanA
Kroothawk wrote:
Sure:
Join them for the Greater Good
I call dibs on the red head in the middle <3
No but srs, I heard the Dark Angels get to give their Predators Plasma! I'm taking twin linked plasma cannon turret with hurrican plasma gun sponsons :3
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
RyanA wrote:Kroothawk wrote:
Sure:
Join them for the Greater Good
I call dibs on the red head in the middle <3
No but srs, I heard the Dark Angels get to give their Predators Plasma! I'm taking twin linked plasma cannon turret with hurrican plasma gun sponsons :3
Welp, I'm starting a tau army now XD
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Post by: lord_blackfang
RyanA wrote:
No but srs, I heard the Dark Angels get to give their Predators Plasma! I'm taking twin linked plasma cannon turret with hurrican plasma gun sponsons :3
That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I'll stick to my Predator Executioner, it doesn't Get Hot.
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Post by: wuestenfux
ironicsilence wrote:wuestenfux wrote:What's the reason to have Dark Angels in the starter box?
Something rationale behind?
with termis being pretty sexy in 6th edition, maybe the best way to get more people playing dark angels is to give the new blood a taste in the starter set. Or likely it was just that Dark Angels were the next SM chapter to get a codex refresh so they figured might as well go all out and put them in the starter set
In fact, Dark Angels getting a codex refreshment (soon) would be a good reason for including them in the starter box.
Then I'd assemble my 20 DA Veterans.
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Post by: Ratius
Anything else in the box, dice, scenery, measuring device, background booklet etc. ?
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Post by: Nuclear Mekanik
I'm hoping that as Dark Angels are the plasma experts, their plasma toting vehicles won't suffer from "get's hot" - THAT might put something codex-creepy in there for folks??
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Post by: loki old fart
SlaveToDorkness wrote:AegisGrimm wrote:You had to make that Tau girl a redhead... dammit, now I gotta ask my gf to paint her skin blue for kicks.
And cut her nose off? *horror*
. I dunno about T'au women. The blue skin I could deal with just fine, but the hooves and the lack of nose would throw me off my game a bit.
don't forget the "thingy" they have on their foreheads. That's convenience!
So.... are their any pics yet?
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Post by: Brother SRM
Ratius wrote:Anything else in the box, dice, scenery, measuring device, background booklet etc. ?
Six dice, a scatter die, whippysticks, templates and a mini rulebook are par for the course with starters.
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Post by: The Shadow
Brother SRM wrote:Ratius wrote:Anything else in the box, dice, scenery, measuring device, background booklet etc. ?
Six dice, a scatter die, whippysticks, templates and a mini rulebook are par for the course with starters.
Whippysticks? You mean those red things that came with Fantasy's 7th Ed Battle for Skull Pass?! I do hope so, I've had hours of making pain, er, I mean fun, with them!
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
wuestenfux wrote:ironicsilence wrote:wuestenfux wrote:What's the reason to have Dark Angels in the starter box?
Something rationale behind?
with termis being pretty sexy in 6th edition, maybe the best way to get more people playing dark angels is to give the new blood a taste in the starter set. Or likely it was just that Dark Angels were the next SM chapter to get a codex refresh so they figured might as well go all out and put them in the starter set
In fact, Dark Angels getting a codex refreshment (soon) would be a good reason for including them in the starter box.
Then I'd assemble my 20 DA Veterans.
Or you could PM someone interested in unburdening you of them. Just saying.
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Post by: Brother SRM
The Shadow wrote:
Whippysticks? You mean those red things that came with Fantasy's 7th Ed Battle for Skull Pass?! I do hope so, I've had hours of making pain, er, I mean fun, with them!
Those are the ones! They've been in every starter set since 3rd ed 40k at least.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I prefer the blue ones marked in cm that came with BFG. They have a bit more whip to them, I feel.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Posted by Mariog over at Warseer taken form a leaked teaser video officially to be released on Friday (he himself found it "on an Italian forum"):
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?348665-Dark-Angels-rumours&p=6375815&viewfull=1#post6375815
Guess 25th August is indeed the preorder day for the new starter box, including Dark Angels as predicted.
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Post by: LazzurusMan
Is that Cypher??? :O
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
What about that makes you think it's Cypher?
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Post by: LazzurusMan
Dunno...the sword, the hood...it just looks like most of the artwork I've seen of him I suppose.
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Post by: The Shadow
Brother SRM wrote:The Shadow wrote:
Whippysticks? You mean those red things that came with Fantasy's 7th Ed Battle for Skull Pass?! I do hope so, I've had hours of making pain, er, I mean fun, with them!
Those are the ones! They've been in every starter set since 3rd ed 40k at least.
Oh thank God. I can once again be 5 years old at heart!
Yeah, I guess this confirms it. So glad it really is out next month, I kinda need to get my hands on a rulebook...
Are we presuming that there'll be a one week gap before it's released, like with 6th Edition? I.e, it'll be released on the 1st of September?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hold on. Gen-Con’s this weekend, isn’t it?
Maybe – just maybe – GW will actually be using the event to promote a future product. And maybe – just maybe – they’ll show up with some advanced copies to sell. Wouldn’t that be something?
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Post by: 1hadhq
LazzurusMan wrote:Dunno...the sword, the hood...it just looks like most of the artwork I've seen of him I suppose.
The sword...the one weapon he never draws? Sure?
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Post by: unmercifulconker
1hadhq wrote:LazzurusMan wrote:Dunno...the sword, the hood...it just looks like most of the artwork I've seen of him I suppose.
The sword...the one weapon he never draws? Sure?
Maybe he fancies a change.
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Post by: 1hadhq
unmercifulconker wrote:1hadhq wrote:LazzurusMan wrote:Dunno...the sword, the hood...it just looks like most of the artwork I've seen of him I suppose.
The sword...the one weapon he never draws? Sure?
Maybe he fancies a change.
And maybe to guess the librarians identity ( hint : keys ) would have greater success .....than the blurry hooded marine...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It’s a Dark Angel. In a hood. With a sword.
That could describe a lot of Dark Angels.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Hehe there are a lot of hooded DA marines.
Did the rumour say it was a teaser 'in-production?' I was surprised there was no artwork leak for a chaplain. Maybe it still needs to be put in?
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Post by: Vhalyar
Pretty neat. It looks like the that Librarian is fighting the Hell Brute/Dreadnought (power fist closing on him)
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Post by: Slinky
H.B.M.C. wrote:Hold on. Gen-Con’s this weekend, isn’t it?
Maybe – just maybe – GW will actually be using the event to promote a future product. And maybe – just maybe – they’ll show up with some advanced copies to sell. Wouldn’t that be something?
I would be amazed - I doubt anything official will come out before the 25th, particularly now I've seen those captures from the "teaser"...
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Post by: Kroothawk
H.B.M.C. wrote:Hold on. Gen-Con’s this weekend, isn’t it?
Maybe – just maybe – GW will actually be using the event to promote a future product. And maybe – just maybe – they’ll show up with some advanced copies to sell. Wouldn’t that be something?
On GenCon weekend, GW implements the new trade terms forbidding discussions of GW products instore before advance orders are up. Does that count?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And as every retailer will be there, all retailers and companies across the US will be banned from new products for 6th months.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
All of a sudden my main interest is now in the Hell Brute, can't wait to see what that bad boy looks like.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
Me neither...
HOPEFULLY they won't screw it up..
But then i've been happy with all the new models since they released the Dark Eldar.
Bar the Failcast Grotesques... So good... so One Posed..
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
I just painted my Khorne Berserkers, I'm sure I'm just in time for them to be nerfed.
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
Okay the 25th's the preorder date. Did the most recent rumors indicate seperate box for each faction, one box with both factions, etc?
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
MightyGodzilla wrote:Okay the 25th's the preorder date. Did the most recent rumors indicate seperate box for each faction, one box with both factions, etc?
I wonder what the price is? If it is one hundred and twenty five dollars for only one faction, then I'm probably going to take my ball and go home
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I really doubt that it's going to be anything more than a single box.
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Post by: jifel
This isn't worth making it's own thread, but based on the rumors we have, the BRB basically tells us who the Chaos Marines are...
Ok, so rumors say that the box is called Dark Vengeance, last I checked. Chech out the top right of pg. 176 in the big Book.
"Dark Vengeance: The Dark Angels 5th Company battles elements of the Crimson Slaughter for control of the Hellfire Stone. The Nephilim sector trembles as the hated foes clash..."
Ok, so if the Dark Vengeance rumor is true, then it seems clear that the "Crimson Slaughter" will be the warband in the new box. After all, Chaos is pretty much guarenteed, but who is still up for guesses.
So, who are these guys? Well, check out p. 299 in the BRB... We get a picture of a basic Bolter Marine from the Crimson Slaughter. Red armor with Gold Trim, nothing extra ordinary amongst the various chaos armies, but hey, its something to off of right?
I didn't make this it's own thread, as I'm sure someone else has seen this. However, I hadnt heard it yet, so I figured I might as well put it up!
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Post by: timd
Nice find jifel!
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