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Post by: unmercifulconker
Ordered, still saved about 12 quid so I am happy 
Its like a huge weight has been lifted 
Now we play the waiting game.
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Post by: MarkyMark
Indeed that is the PITA part the waiting..... and having people recieve their items before you! my post is always slow here
Maelstrom still havent got the box set up for pre order
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Post by: Ouze
 insaniak wrote: scipio.au wrote:Out of interest, how much was AOBR at the start and end of it's cycle?
It finished at $165. Looking back through my old purchase emails, looks like it started at $95.
It started at $60, actually. I pre-ordered it from GW Direct and it was $60 + $9 shipping. Or are we talking AUS? We're talking AUS and I look like an idiot now, I'm pretty sure of it.
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Post by: rodgers37
Orderd my first copy
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Post by: rich1231
Hmm Walnad
Thanks for that.
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
 Ouze wrote: insaniak wrote: scipio.au wrote:Out of interest, how much was AOBR at the start and end of it's cycle?
It finished at $165. Looking back through my old purchase emails, looks like it started at $95.
It started at $60, actually. I pre-ordered it from GW Direct and it was $60 + $9 shipping. Or are we talking AUS? We're talking AUS and I look like an idiot now, I'm pretty sure of it.
*nods solemnly*
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Post by: Souleater
MarkyMark wrote:Indeed that is the PITA part the waiting..... and having people recieve their items before you! my post is always slow here
Maelstrom still havent got the box set up for pre order
It is up now. Standard and LE. the Red-Hot 18% voucher is still live, too boot.
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Post by: merchant
Just ordered my copy and a share with a friend :-)
I'm looking forward to see the minis first hand :-)
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Post by: unmercifulconker
OH MY GOD just typical, right after I order it from another place maelstrom put theirs up, missed out on about an extra 10 quid savings. Seriously, can anything else screw me over today? :
edit: Oh no haha turns out it would only save me £3 Phew, rage mode is now in stasis. Normal energy levels returning.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Well if you'd like I could still come to your house and kick you in the balls, if you're still interested in more ways to get screwed over. 
Not sure if I'm gonna buy this or not. I really like the Chaos models but I don't know if I'm even going to keep playing the game anymore, and I have no use for models that I'm not going to be playing games with.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Still come to my house? Were you planning on assaulting my balls earlier?
Nooooo dont quit. itll drag you back in, slowly, quietly but one day BAM you find yourself buying a starter set, a vehicle for one army then deciding to do another army aswell as getting another army.
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Post by: Fifty
Ordered two copies.
The cultist models are just too sexy.
Got to decide what to do with the Chaos other than that though...
May well sell the marines and terminators too. Decisions, decisions...
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Post by: Flashman
Having looked at the proper GW pics, my overall opinion is that the box set has a few very nice individual miniatures that I may pick up from ebay in the fullness of time, but collectively this is not as good as AoBR.
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Post by: kronicpsycho
Ok, I understand people are excited about this but seriously? tell me if you see something abit wrong with this.
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&_trksid=p4340.l2564&rt=nc&item=251136448267
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Post by: Fenriswulf
If anyone is buying multiples and is thinking of selling the rulebook, this poor Aussie would be interested in buying one of the mini-rulebooks.
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Post by: HAZZER
Todays quite a good day for me toady. Dark vengance id up for advance order, my WD is here (quite good but no battle report) and theres my birthday once a year thing happening in a few days....
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Post by: Alpharius
Well, he hasn't played a game of 40K for a while - we may have gotten an inadvertent glimpse into the hobby that replaced 40K for him!
The price - well, I was only marginally interested in the faction involved anyway, and now, I'm only after the mini rulebook.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
 HAZZER wrote:Todays quite a good day for me toady. Dark vengance id up for advance order, my WD is here (quite good but no battle report) and theres my birthday once a year thing happening in a few days....
Wohoho no battle report ye say this month? 'The battle rages on' anyone?
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
 unmercifulconker wrote: HAZZER wrote:Todays quite a good day for me toady. Dark vengance id up for advance order, my WD is here (quite good but no battle report) and theres my birthday once a year thing happening in a few days....
Wohoho no battle report ye say this month? 'The battle rages on' anyone?
Well, it seems like the chaos force might be woefully under gunned, since there are Terminators and Bikes upon the field.
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Post by: Sharkvictim
I'm still trying to decide if I want to buy one solo and convert the DA to plague marines or go halfsies a couple of times and double up on the chaos. I like the new chaos models alot. The only one I'm nonplussed about is the Helbrute. It has elephant toes and looks like a volkswagen bug/mini cooper from the back. The chosen look exceptionally good. It's probably too much to hope for that the standard CSM will be remodeled more to look like this and less Norwegian black metal-ish.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
 Sharkvictim wrote:I'm still trying to decide if I want to buy one solo and convert the DA to plague marines or go halfsies a couple of times and double up on the chaos. I like the new chaos models alot. The only one I'm nonplussed about is the Helbrute. It has elephant toes and looks like a volkswagen bug/mini cooper from the back. The chosen look exceptionally good. It's probably too much to hope for that the standard CSM will be remodeled more to look like this and less Norwegian black metal-ish.
So you also prefer the change from Norwegian black metal CSM to Finnish Folk Metal CSM?
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Post by: HAZZER
 ShatteredBlade wrote: unmercifulconker wrote: HAZZER wrote:Todays quite a good day for me toady. Dark vengance id up for advance order, my WD is here (quite good but no battle report) and theres my birthday once a year thing happening in a few days....
Wohoho no battle report ye say this month? 'The battle rages on' anyone?
Well, it seems like the chaos force might be woefully under gunned, since there are Terminators and Bikes upon the field.
Theres a smaller amout of reports showing off the new senaros that you can play... But they have maxed out thew HQ's a libby and commander and if you wana order now and get an addtion HQ too! That you can use only in planetstrike or apco!!!!! And a demted chaos dread!!!! I think they could have atlest 5 more marines or troops so yoyu can have a 10 and 5 man troops choice. (finds 40k paint set) oh..... thats anouther 20 quid and the Uk are the lucky ones........ But I really wanna and am very jellious of the DA!!!! Its going to be a pain to remove all of the DA symobles for my smerfs.....
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Post by: Macok
I just wanted to say that I think Chaos models in starter set are absolutely gorgeous. I'm green with envy. It must feel good to be a chaos player right now
Loyalist ones, not so much (especially terminator sergeant). Ravenwing is awesome though.
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Post by: Abaddonthejoiner
Wooohooo just ordered one. But can anyone tell me if there is any other difference with the limited edition box other than the limited edition character? It cant just be that
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Post by: Daston
might wander up to our local GW stockist next Saturday to see if they have any in the models look real nice even though I dont have a chaos or dark angle army lol. But it will mean I dont have to keep getting the bible out every time we have a game!
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
I ordered mine last night, I can't wait to get my filthy filthy hands on those chaos models.
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Post by: Sharkvictim
ShatteredBlade wrote:
So you also prefer the change from Norwegian black metal CSM to Finnish Folk Metal CSM?
Lol. I am inspired now against all better judgement to put corpse paint on the faces of all of my cultists (the visible ones, anyway) I only hope they aren't mistaken for juggalos.
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Post by: bubber
£55.25 with free P&P from Gaming Figures ( UK only) here:
http://www.gamingfigures.com/viewProducts.asp?action=advance
Used them before & never been disappointed.
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Post by: Davylove21
Abaddonthejoiner wrote:Wooohooo just ordered one. But can anyone tell me if there is any other difference with the limited edition box other than the limited edition character? It cant just be that
It is just that. I'm going to wait and see if I ever start DA or Chaos this edition before I buy the relevant models from ebay.
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Post by: d-usa
My main interest would be a rulebook as well if anybody is buying multiple boxes.
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Post by: bubber
Having just watched the video I have a feeling that all the guns have the barrels cast with holes rather than being drilled - as all the holes seem too well done (IMO) - comments??
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Post by: Abaddonthejoiner
No davylove21 i am actually asking does anyone know if thats the only difference between the limited edition box set and the normal one they bring out. It surely cant just be that one limited edition character and the rest of the box is the same.
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Post by: MarkyMark
In regards to the contents, yes it is just the chaplin
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Post by: Abaddonthejoiner
haha so the only difference is the chaplin and the box says limited edition, by dont they treat us (i have still ordered one)
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Post by: Wrakkar
Finally! A box containing chaos marines that you can put a name to! These guys look nice and ready to tear apart anything in their path.
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Post by: Abaddonthejoiner
Well now the box set is coming out surely the new chaos codex will follow. I cant wait to see what they have done to abaddon. In 12 games of using him he has only died once and thats because his demon weapon killed him, dam them 1's
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Post by: gpfunk
Oh the chaos models make me salivate. I really love what they've done to them...they actually look vicious. Absolutely vicious. I'm going to use them to start a chaos/renegade IG army. Those cultists are so boss.
The DA aren't bad either. Tactical marines are always boring. But that librarian looks incredibly good, and the chaplain rubs me in all the right places. Now if only I could get rid of those useless tactical marines, terminators, raven wing bikes, and chapter master.
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Post by: iproxtaco
They must being pulling some kind of joke with that price.
It's at least £15 less than I expected it to be.
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Post by: Bewareofthephil
Pre-ordered at Tabletop Tyrant today, the Giftsforgeeks store. I think its about £52
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Post by: Nuclear Mekanik
To our Australian brothers (and other countries with either no GW presence, or a very expensive one), on the subject of smuggling plastic crack, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in a de-boxed and de-sprued Dark Vengeance boxed set??
I've just ordered my two box sets today, when they arrive I'll see how complicated the sprues are, but assuming it's not going to be a complete fiddle, I would be willing to offer (on a limited number basis, and for a very small fee for my time) a de-sprueing service. Basically, I'll buy a box set from one of the online discount stores here in the UK, un box it, and then carefully clip the entire contents of the sprues into a few little plastic bags, which should massively reduce the size, and then slap those bags of plastic, the mini rule book and the templates into a small jiffy bag and post it to you. I won't bother posting the box, the whippy sticks, the plain white dice, the empty sprues or the pointless "how to play dark vengeance" booklet which whilst very pretty, is about A4 size whereas the rulebook is just over A5, so it won't fit in a small jiffy bag, and is extra weight. You just pay for the box set at UK prices, and the postage of a small jiffy bag to AUS, plus a couple of beers for me. Sound ok?
I'll put this offer up in the Dakka Swap Shop once I've seen the box set sprues and how hard it would be to clip the whole lot. I just wanted to see if anyone would be interested in that service?? Automatically Appended Next Post: Abaddonthejoiner wrote:No davylove21 i am actually asking does anyone know if thats the only difference between the limited edition box set and the normal one they bring out. It surely cant just be that one limited edition character and the rest of the box is the same.
You also get a double sided colour single sheet guide to assembling and painting the chaplain in the Ltd Ed box set, that isn't in the standard set. Bet you feel privileged now eh??
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Post by: MajorTom11
Eeeekk... I thought the hellbrute looked awesome, but after seeing the 360 I have to say that imo that is only from the front. The torso sides and back look lumpy, undetailed and completely non-functional... A real shame, and a pretty big surprise... front and back, it almost looks like 2 different models, 1 sculpted by an amateur and one by a master.
Chosen and Lord though? Awesome sauce, if a bit bloody daunting to paint!
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Post by: Mewiththeface
The hellbrute and chosen are lovely but everything else is unexciting and the cultists are especially bad.
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Post by: nolzur
 Flashman wrote:Having looked at the proper GW pics, my overall opinion is that the box set has a few very nice individual miniatures that I may pick up from ebay in the fullness of time, but collectively this is not as good as AoBR.
Please tell me you are joking???
AOBR was loaded with static poses and much blandness, whereas the models in DV are full of character and actually look animated.
From what I have seen, most of the AOBR minis got used at first by beginners, and later were shelved due to not looking as good as the multi-part minis frmo other kits. Looking at the stuff in DV, these minis will probably actually see the light of day, and even the tabletop, long after the owners' armies have grown beyond them.
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Post by: timd
 MajorTom11 wrote:Eeeekk... I thought the hellbrute looked awesome, but after seeing the 360 I have to say that imo that is only from the front. The torso sides and back look lumpy, undetailed and completely non-functional... A real shame, and a pretty big surprise... front and back, it almost looks like 2 different models, 1 sculpted by an amateur and one by a master.
Especially when the rear is the part YOU will be looking at during a game...
Most of the detail is fine, but the flesh sack rear corners of the body, especially on the right side, need work.
More and/or varied sizes of slit vents, a bit of spiky metal trim, an exposed hose (or hoses) similar to the other side, detail like the rear of the lower legs might work, but it just needs something more.
Don't get me wrong, its a great model, but it seems like the ran out of design steam when doing the rear of the body.
Mine will get Nurgulized, which should be pretty easy. Slaanesh and Tzeench would require some thinking...
Tim
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Agreed about the Hellbrute's backside.
The Termie heads are also quite dire in places, but apart from that I love the set. I don't get all the Chaplain hate.
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Post by: Abaddonthejoiner
Does anyone know how limited this limited edition box is. It cant be that limited if your only allowed to buy 5 per customer.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
oh my god...
I have JUST seen the Arse of the Helbrute...
It brought a tear to my eye... Its... Kinda Bad to be honest :(...
Still gonna use the two of them in game though. Gonna count that Multimelta as a Butcher cannon and call it a day 
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
MajorTom11 wrote:Eeeekk... I thought the hellbrute looked awesome, but after seeing the 360 I have to say that imo that is only from the front. The torso sides and back look lumpy, undetailed and completely non-functional... A real shame, and a pretty big surprise... front and back, it almost looks like 2 different models, 1 sculpted by an amateur and one by a master.
Chosen and Lord though? Awesome sauce, if a bit bloody daunting to paint!
Suits me fine as I'm going to be Nurglifying it. Blank space is perfect for adding oozing sores and buboes to.
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Post by: Harriticus
Abaddonthejoiner wrote:Does anyone know how limited this limited edition box is. It cant be that limited if your only allowed to buy 5 per customer.
GW does that no matter the product, even stuff that sold out in about a week like the Dark Eldar/Space Marine Megaforces.
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Post by: timd
 A Town Called Malus wrote: MajorTom11 wrote:Eeeekk... I thought the hellbrute looked awesome, but after seeing the 360 I have to say that imo that is only from the front. The torso sides and back look lumpy, undetailed and completely non-functional... A real shame, and a pretty big surprise... front and back, it almost looks like 2 different models, 1 sculpted by an amateur and one by a master.
Chosen and Lord though? Awesome sauce, if a bit bloody daunting to paint!
Suits me fine as I'm going to be Nurglifying it. Blank space is perfect for adding oozing sores and buboes to.
You could add more Nurgle butt before you add the detail.
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Post by: Clang
I can see the logic behind the semi-fleshy HellBrute appearance - it's supposed to represent a small Daemon Engine (or exceedingly "blessed" ex-Obliterator?) rather than being a purely mechanical shell like a loyalist dread. Nevertheless, yes it looks a bit crap from certain angles, mostly due to the limitations of plastic casting such a figure from (I'm guessing) only half a dozen bits.
Fixing it will be fairly easy for most chaos chapters/powers - just add some spare eyes/claws/tentacles/icons/cables etc from the bits box to cover the blank/boring bits. Rather more work for e.g. Iron Warriors though, who'd probably want to hide all of the 'fleshy' bits. If you look closely, even the feet are fleshy (although mutated) organic feet.
PS: do they really think they'll sell many special figure cases, except to gullible parents? Who would love the game enough to want a figure case but not want to also buy a pile of other figures which won't fit in the stupid case?
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Post by: Zweischneid
 Clang wrote:
PS: do they really think they'll sell many special figure cases, except to gullible parents? Who would love the game enough to want a figure case but not want to also buy a pile of other figures which won't fit in the stupid case?
Paintstudios and freelance painters and ebay-folks who want to horde the box and re-sell it painted (and what better than shipping pricy "pro-painted" models in a custom case?)
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
timd wrote: A Town Called Malus wrote: MajorTom11 wrote:Eeeekk... I thought the hellbrute looked awesome, but after seeing the 360 I have to say that imo that is only from the front. The torso sides and back look lumpy, undetailed and completely non-functional... A real shame, and a pretty big surprise... front and back, it almost looks like 2 different models, 1 sculpted by an amateur and one by a master.
Chosen and Lord though? Awesome sauce, if a bit bloody daunting to paint!
Suits me fine as I'm going to be Nurglifying it. Blank space is perfect for adding oozing sores and buboes to.
You could add more Nurgle butt before you add the detail.
Nurgle likes big butts and he cannot lie?
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Post by: Buttons
Does anyone have info on the cultists stats? Are they just guardsmen for CSM, can they be blobbed, or do they exist purely so a CSM player can make a 2000 point list and only spend 100 points on troops?
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Post by: notprop
Move along, nothing to see here.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Buttons wrote:Does anyone have info on the cultists stats? Are they just guardsmen for CSM, can they be blobbed, or do they exist purely so a CSM player can make a 2000 point list and only spend 100 points on troops?
I don't think we have any stats so far, but my guess would be Guardsmen stats. Although I would not be surprised if they were WS and BS2. Dirt cheap of course. Probably around 4-5 points each for that statline.
Probably an Autogun base, can swap for Autopistol and CCW for free. Shotguns will probably be 1-2 pts a model. We know they can take Heavy Stubbers and Flamers as weapon upgrades.
Sergeants have Shotguns and 2 CCWs as an option. Possably the option for a power weapon too.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Buttons wrote:Does anyone have info on the cultists stats? Are they just guardsmen for CSM, can they be blobbed, or do they exist purely so a CSM player can make a 2000 point list and only spend 100 points on troops?
The leaked Chinese document with the stats puts them at like 4 points a man, GEQ statline but with a 6+ save, mobs of 10-30 men. They'll have a proper entry in the actual Chaos codex.
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Post by: Noisy_Marine
I'm not sure why you'd want to get a mob of guardsmen with pistols and CCW's, but the option is there. Unless of course mark of chaos undivided does make them fearless. That would be quite a tarpit unit.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Marks probably won't be what makes Cultists good. Cheap bodies is what they'll end up being, but Marks will just let them do their job a little better.
Fearless for Undivided sounds good.
Nurgle will probably be either +1T or FnP,
Tzeentch: 5+ ward,
Slannesh: +1 I
Khorne: Rage or Furious Charge, or both.
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Post by: Brother SRM
 Noisy_Marine wrote:I'm not sure why you'd want to get a mob of guardsmen with pistols and CCW's, but the option is there. Unless of course mark of chaos undivided does make them fearless. That would be quite a tarpit unit.
Or Nurgle for T4, extra attacks for Khorne, an invuln save from Tzeentch... I think with marks you'll be able to make them good at a number of roles, whether it's cheap objective-holders or mobs of frenzied infantry to screen your troops.
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Post by: CT GAMER
The biggest letdown is that it doesnt contain any new cool terrain.
In the past I have bought box sets just fr the terrain even if I didnt play/need the models included.
Really no motivation for me to buy this at all.
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Post by: Nuclear Mekanik
 CT GAMER wrote:The biggest letdown is that it doesnt contain any new cool terrain.
In the past I have bought box sets just fr the terrain even if I didnt play/need the models included.
Really no motivation for me to buy this at all.
Yeah, no terrain (apart from battlefield accesories) since 3rd ed now... 
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Post by: Deadshot
Battle for Macragge had the Crashed lander
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Post by: Ma55ter_fett
A Town Called Malus wrote: MajorTom11 wrote:Eeeekk... I thought the hellbrute looked awesome, but after seeing the 360 I have to say that imo that is only from the front. The torso sides and back look lumpy, undetailed and completely non-functional... A real shame, and a pretty big surprise... front and back, it almost looks like 2 different models, 1 sculpted by an amateur and one by a master.
Chosen and Lord though? Awesome sauce, if a bit bloody daunting to paint!
Suits me fine as I'm going to be Nurglifying it. Blank space is perfect for adding oozing sores and buboes to.
Word!
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Post by: Byte
and the units within were laughable compared to the 6th box.
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Post by: Jumpin Jesus
I just want the DA captains sword... Man that would be a great piece for converting! The cultists look amazing too... Heck the whole chaos force looks great. I was thinking of starting a chaos army anyways.
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Post by: Sidstyler
But if they put the Skullhouse Awesome in the starter box they can't sell the Skullhouse Awesome by itself later in a $50 box! BUSINESS! D:
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Post by: dalsiandon
CT GAMER wrote:The biggest letdown is that it doesnt contain any new cool terrain.
In the past I have bought box sets just fr the terrain even if I didnt play/need the models included.....
Yeah the lack of terrain of anykind is a bit of a letdown, especially because of the inclusion of buyable terrain in the rules now.
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Post by: kronicpsycho
So many people are worried, about the Hell bruits back. Meh doesn't matter I'm going to be converting since it's going to be a nurgle one ^^
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Post by: Buttons
 Grey Templar wrote:Marks probably won't be what makes Cultists good. Cheap bodies is what they'll end up being, but Marks will just let them do their job a little better.
Fearless for Undivided sounds good.
Nurgle will probably be either +1T or FnP,
Tzeentch: 5+ ward,
Slannesh: +1 I
Khorne: Rage or Furious Charge, or both.
I can see Slaanesh being good. 30 guys, each with 3 attacks on the charge for 90 attacks at initiative 4 can do quite a bit of damage.
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Post by: CT GAMER
 Nuclear Mekanik wrote: CT GAMER wrote:The biggest letdown is that it doesnt contain any new cool terrain.
In the past I have bought box sets just fr the terrain even if I didnt play/need the models included.
Really no motivation for me to buy this at all.
Yeah, no terrain (apart from battlefield accesories) since 3rd ed now...
And your point is?
GW is at the pinnacle of their terrain kit production currently, having put out some amazing kits in recent years. Putting in some cool plastic terrain unique to the box almost seems like it would have been a given at this point.
Your eye roll was touching though... 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Byte wrote:and the units within were laughable compared to the 6th box.
Speak for yourself sunshine - 3-part Termagants and plastic Spore Mines were a God-send.
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Post by: CT GAMER
 dalsiandon wrote: CT GAMER wrote:The biggest letdown is that it doesnt contain any new cool terrain.
In the past I have bought box sets just fr the terrain even if I didnt play/need the models included.....
Yeah the lack of terrain of anykind is a bit of a letdown, especially because of the inclusion of buyable terrain in the rules now.
Exactly. A chaos effigy/shrine/gate or some kind of Dark Angels bunker? etc.
A one page blurb giving points cost and/or terrain rules for them.
Really surprised they didnt do this...
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Post by: Synister_Intent
All I know is that my friends Dark Angels and my Chaos forces just got a lot larger, we just pre ordered 4 boxes from our FLGS. Should be interesting painting up 80 cultists.
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Post by: dalsiandon
CT GAMER wrote: dalsiandon wrote: CT GAMER wrote:The biggest letdown is that it doesnt contain any new cool terrain.
In the past I have bought box sets just fr the terrain even if I didnt play/need the models included.....
Yeah the lack of terrain of anykind is a bit of a letdown, especially because of the inclusion of buyable terrain in the rules now.
Exactly. A chaos effigy/shrine/gate or some kind of Dark Angels bunker? etc.
A one page blurb giving points cost and/or terrain rules for them.
Really surprised they didnt do this...
Exactly, 3rd had the little wall segment and some crummy trees, 4th had the lander, so they've done it before. I could just image some very simple terrain that fits with the story they've put this edition in with as you mentioned. But alas..
But hte models are not a let down, you get 2 HQ options per force, 3 if you're DA player and get the LE box. Plus they've got all the FoC covered with Bikes ( FA), and Terminators (Elite) and the Chaos Dreadnought ( HS) with the standard Troop unit.
I do like that it's not the Ultrasmurfs this time around either and one of the terminators has a HW option, and that particular option is currently available on the DA upgrade sprue to just to point out.
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Post by: CT GAMER
dalsiandon wrote: CT GAMER wrote: dalsiandon wrote: CT GAMER wrote:The biggest letdown is that it doesnt contain any new cool terrain.
In the past I have bought box sets just fr the terrain even if I didnt play/need the models included.....
Yeah the lack of terrain of anykind is a bit of a letdown, especially because of the inclusion of buyable terrain in the rules now.
Exactly. A chaos effigy/shrine/gate or some kind of Dark Angels bunker? etc.
A one page blurb giving points cost and/or terrain rules for them.
Really surprised they didnt do this...
Exactly, 3rd had the little wall segment and some crummy trees, 4th had the lander, so they've done it before. I could just image some very simple terrain that fits with the story they've put this edition in with as you mentioned. But alas..
But hte models are not a let down, you get 2 HQ options per force, 3 if you're DA player and get the LE box. Plus they've got all the FoC covered with Bikes ( FA), and Terminators (Elite) and the Chaos Dreadnought ( HS) with the standard Troop unit.
I do like that it's not the Ultrasmurfs this time around either and one of the terminators has a HW option, and that particular option is currently available on the DA upgrade sprue to just to point out.
I have no complaints about the models included, they just arent of any interest to me. If the box had other goodies (ie. terrain) I would have purchased (as I have in the past), but as is, I really have no use for it.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
dalsiandon wrote: CT GAMER wrote: dalsiandon wrote: CT GAMER wrote:The biggest letdown is that it doesnt contain any new cool terrain. In the past I have bought box sets just fr the terrain even if I didnt play/need the models included.....
Yeah the lack of terrain of anykind is a bit of a letdown, especially because of the inclusion of buyable terrain in the rules now.
Exactly. A chaos effigy/shrine/gate or some kind of Dark Angels bunker? etc. A one page blurb giving points cost and/or terrain rules for them. Really surprised they didnt do this...
Exactly, 3rd had the little wall segment and some crummy trees, 4th had the lander, so they've done it before. I could just image some very simple terrain that fits with the story they've put this edition in with as you mentioned. But alas.. But hte models are not a let down, you get 2 HQ options per force, 3 if you're DA player and get the LE box. Plus they've got all the FoC covered with Bikes ( FA), and Terminators (Elite) and the Chaos Dreadnought ( HS) with the standard Troop unit. I do like that it's not the Ultrasmurfs this time around either and one of the terminators has a HW option, and that particular option is currently available on the DA upgrade sprue to just to point out.
Who's the second HQ for Chaos? Isn't that guy with the Power Maul just the champion from the Chosen unit?
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Post by: Byte
 H.B.M.C. wrote: Byte wrote:and the units within were laughable compared to the 6th box.
Speak for yourself sunshine - 3-part Termagants and plastic Spore Mines were a God-send.
I hope 10 Termagants, 6 Genestealers, and 8 Spore Mines didn't require divine intervention, but to each their own. I still have the spore mines in a baggie somewhere if you need more intervention. I feel holy today.
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Post by: Noisy_Marine
Chaos looks like it has an HQ (Lord), 2 Elites (Chosen, Hellbrute), and 2 Troops (Cultists).
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Post by: nolzur
That would be a Fortress of Redemption.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah I don't think he meant something that big.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Some terrain would have been cool but it's not really expected at this point, nor is it completely necessary. I really hope GW comes out with some 40k terrain kits soon though; it's been a while since we've gotten any for 40k.
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Post by: kronicpsycho
I just went on a Games Workshop fan page and listed is the following. This is for people asking if the model is going to me limited edition.
"Contains a unique Interrogator Chaplain that will never be
available outside of the limited edition boxed game"
Source : http://www.facebook.com/GWParramatta
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Post by: Noisy_Marine
Honestly I'm not impressed by the Chaplain. Except that it is plastic and fairly cheap.
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Post by: -Loki-
If you read the description of it in the rulebook, they're trying to turn it into a general Imperial fortification. Dark Angels are mentioned as using them during the crusade, but now it's just a general Imperial thing, even the dark angels iconography just being 'images of angels of death'.
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Post by: Bloodfrenzy187
Noisy_Marine wrote:Honestly I'm not impressed by the Chaplain. Except that it is plastic and fairly cheap.
lol, im the polar opposite. I love the fig and seeing as love chaplin figs anyhow im stoked.
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Post by: Nick Ellingworth
There's only one thing that bothers me about this boxset, the bare heads on the DA Tactical and Ravenwing sergeants. I can't stand bareheaded marines, chaos marines sure they're a bunch on loonies but Space Marines should not go in to battle without a fething helmet. It's almost as though they want to get shot in the head. Oh well atleast I've got enough bits from previous marine armies to be able to give them helmets.
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Post by: Grey Templar
 Nick Ellingworth wrote:There's only one thing that bothers me about this boxset, the bare heads on the DA Tactical and Ravenwing sergeants. I can't stand bareheaded marines, chaos marines sure they're a bunch on loonies but Space Marines should not go in to battle without a fething helmet. It's almost as though they want to get shot in the head. Oh well atleast I've got enough bits from previous marine armies to be able to give them helmets.
Every other boxed set has had a bare headed sergeant in it. As if GW would stop this rediclous trend here
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Post by: Captain Fantastic
Hellbrute's rear end looks a bit disappointing. No big deal. I can paint swirly things, or some scripture. With chaos, even the ugliest free-hand looks ordinary!
Oh my gosh the Lord looks fantastic. I'm amazed. It really looks like finecast or something. I'm really, really hoping this is what GW goes for with the new CSM, if any are coming. I've heard pitter-patter of a new basic chaos marine box, which sounds too good to be true.
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Post by: Nick Ellingworth
Grey Templar wrote: Nick Ellingworth wrote:There's only one thing that bothers me about this boxset, the bare heads on the DA Tactical and Ravenwing sergeants. I can't stand bareheaded marines, chaos marines sure they're a bunch on loonies but Space Marines should not go in to battle without a fething helmet. It's almost as though they want to get shot in the head. Oh well atleast I've got enough bits from previous marine armies to be able to give them helmets.
Every other boxed set has had a bare headed sergeant in it. As if GW would stop this rediclous trend here
I know I know, but it still annoys me. 
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Post by: wolfeman
Set looks awesome! already preordered.
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Post by: almostreal
 iproxtaco wrote:They must being pulling some kind of joke with that price.
It's at least £15 less than I expected it to be.
This was the biggest suprise to me. I thought it'd be $120, The price is a great surprise and although I don't play either army, got me to order one today. The hellbrute looks cool as do the special characters. I think the cultists look a little bland, but whatever....for the rulebook and the Brute the price is ok and I'll probably end up painting all of it and maybe starting a Chaos army down the line after the codex drops.
Well done GW, best starter set since I've been in the hobby (5 years) and keeping the price low was a brilliant move.
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Post by: danant
Can anyone comment on "snap-fit plastic models"?
I'm returning to the hobby after few years break and construcing minis without a glue seems a little bit "different"... Has any other set had anything like that in the past?
What I'm afraid of is a situation where due to no-glue building phylosophy we get minis that are difficult to convert or even adjust a little...
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Post by: Skinless2
danant wrote:Can anyone comment on "snap-fit plastic models"? I'm returning to the hobby after few years break and construcing minis without a glue seems a little bit "different"... Has any other set had anything like that in the past? What I'm afraid of is a situation where due to no-glue building phylosophy we get minis that are difficult to convert or even adjust a little...
They only do this with the starter set's. AOBR was the same way, glue is not necessary but I will be gluing them first thing
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Post by: notprop
No glue just makes it easier for new starters, you literally need nothing esle to at a game so no biggie.
As for converting it will be no harder than any other plastic model. Obviously it will not be in the usual components that a SM or IG model might have so kit bashing becomes a bit harder.
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Post by: prototype_X
A little green-stuff, a head swap and some cloaks... Viola cultist into an instant Delaque....
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Post by: Bloodwin
If you read the description of it in the rulebook, they're trying to turn it into a general Imperial fortification. Dark Angels are mentioned as using them during the crusade, but now it's just a general Imperial thing, even the dark angels iconography just being 'images of angels of death'.
I think that they are regretting making such a chapter specific item, especially for a chapter that wasn't as popular, not to say that they will suddenly be popular. The high elves in the Fantasy boxed set hasn't translated into loads of high elf players although skaven have become much more popular than they were. As it is I suspect that the scenery bods have been trying out new techniques with the Fantasy terrain and we'll start to see more 40k terrain soon. I'd like to see an expansion around terrain like the fulcrums in Storm of Magic but not as extreme.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Oh good for you! (/Christian Bale)
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Post by: monkeyh
 OK so I haven't read through every page of this thread so apologies if I'm repeating stuff. But this set looks great. At last chaos space marines that really look the business and that chaos lord....awesome. I don't really need any of this stuff but the models have got me really tempted. And also, at last some non FW chaos cultists. I may have a few beers tonight, think 'what the hell' and order it! Hopefully this is the beginning of the new CSM range that everybody's been banging on about for so long.
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Post by: Praxiss
The Hellbrute model gives me hope for the other daemon engines that are supposed to be coming out with the new 'Dex.
I just hope the starter kit model is typical of the range and just just a one-off, coz it looks awesome!
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Excellent, excellent. Have my pre-order ready, hopefully will be getting a trade arranged shortly and my Venerable Dreadnought and Dark Angels upgrade sprue came the other day, so I have five DA veterans, a custom Belial and of course aforementioned Venerable Dreadnought. Add two sets of the starter set and that's a pretty decent Sphess Mehreen force.
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Post by: CT GAMER
Thanks you captain obvious.
The point was for NEW terrain pieces to be included regardless of what they are. We have a fortress, a bastion and a defrense line kit currently, but no true bunker (similar to the bottom/base of the bastion witout the tower segment, etc.)
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Post by: BlapBlapBlap
Made a review of what I thought of the models at first site on the Penthouse. Hope you enjoy.
ILikeTrains wrote:OK, here we go. I've advance ordered the Limited Edition of Dark Vengeance, and just wanted to share my thoughts on some of the models.
First of all:
DARK ANGELS
Interrogator-Chaplain
Badass to the extreme. Brilliant pose, imposing features, grimdark. Almost perfect in every way, only problem is the exceptionally Chaos-y incense burners on his back pack. I would have prefered something more like exhausts, perhaps? Plus, Limited Edition, so...
Company Master
Again, pretty nice, although it seems to be a rip of the current Finecast Dark Angels Company Master, down to the sword. Not necessarily bad though, just a bit too static. Loving the Combi-Plasma though, really sticks to the theme and makes it a ton easier to get one into your army.
Librarian
OK, this guy is disappointing. He's moving very slowly, lacks the ostentatious aura of the other characters, and looks rather stupid, particularly with the completely upright grip of the sword. Really is quite disappointing with the standards of other models in the set.
Deathwing Terminators
Just plain embarrassing. Really. The sculpts of the 2 normal guys are the same, the Assault Cannon holds one of the most ridiculous poses I have seen, equivalent to some of the 2nd and 3rd Ed sculpts. The wings on the back of the Sergeant look plain derpy, and the pose doesn't lend itself to intelligence either. The chainfist is really the only decent model. This is a real shame, as I am an avid Deathwing player.
Tactical Squad
I really do like these over the horrible, monopose AoBR models. Really. Dynamic poses aplenty, but some sculpts are redone. Still, It's another easy way to get a Plasma Cannon into your squad, and the sergeant does look like a leader, with good posing involved. Looking forward to these.
Ravenwing Bikers
Awesomesauce. Individual models, good poses, plenty of detail. One complaint would be the way the sergeant holds his sword, but that's really quite petty.
CHAOS
Chaos Lord
Absolutely stunning. This mini is at the quality that you would expect from regular blisters, and would do incredibly well as one. Everything about it, from the detail to the pose to the weapons is absolutely brilliant. This bodes well for the rest of the Chaos range.
Chosen
Just as amazing as the Lord. there's one repeated sculpt, sure, but that doesn't matter. These are dynamic, detailed and best of all, not just spiky skull marines. They've really managed to get the sense of Chaos with these.
Hellbrute
Again, amazing. The pose is good, it's detailed. My one gripe is the bare head in the middle of the torso, as it just looks out of place. Spiky, yes, but it isn't mindlessly so, and it is amazing.
Cultists
2 squads of Cultists. Very, very nice. Not ridiculous people in skirts or anything, these are ready to fight a war and win. Of course, there are repeated sculpts, but thanks to the individuality of the models you can paint them distinguishably. I also like the fact that GW has given some thought to weapons. These do uphold the high standard of the rest of the Chaos models very well.
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Post by: Brometheus
"We..................Disagree."
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Post by: end
pre-ordered my box. Love the models in this starter box, have been playing around with the idea of a chaos army or an DA army, now i can have both . My first box of miniatures was the battle of macragge starter box years back, this seems so much better.
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Post by: bubber
re terrain - they could have included something to repressent the hellfire stone (the central objective to the whole box set).
Wouldn't have to be that big either.
Will have to make one from scratch, something like this but without the elf on top -
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Post by: Spectral Dragon
Now, I have read quite a bit of this thread but won't be reading it all......GW is stating there are a limited number of these boxes but that this is special edition, is there going to be a non-special edition version of this box?
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Post by: BlapBlapBlap
I assume so, as it's called Limited Edition at this point. That would be a blunder, even by GW standards.
"Y'know what'd really sell? SELLING EVEN LESS PRODUCT FOR THE SAME PRICE!"
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Post by: Astroman
The Chosen and that Chaos champion are amazing. The variant poses on the Termies are more than welcome as well. The Hellbrute made me crap my pants a little.
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Post by: d-usa
Have you guys read the thread or the OP?
Makes it pretty clear what the LE box is and that there is a price difference.
But feel free to go on and keep on posting "HerpDerp GW"
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Post by: Grey Templar
Yes, there is a limited edition box and a normal box. The limited edition is being released for advance order first and will sell till supplies run out, the regular box will be released later and will last for the duration of this edition.
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Post by: Deadshot
I actually like the Assault Cannon guy but only if he is turned around so you.look him in the eye. The Librarian looks really good, kinda like a PA version of the FC TDA model when armed with the hand.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
Yeah I like the Librarian, too. He's got the pose of walking forwards slowly with psychic lightning flashing out of his hand into whoever stands before him. From now on I shall call him Palpatine
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Post by: Spectral Dragon
 d-usa wrote:Have you guys read the thread or the OP?
Makes it pretty clear what the LE box is and that there is a price difference.
But feel free to go on and keep on posting "HerpDerp GW"
Yes, I cannot find mention of the unlimited box in there after reading it twice, perhaps I missed it but prices aren't mentioned there either, only the fact that they don't know the price as of yet.
(Which btw is 107 USD as mentioned a few times on the previous page)
I wish GW listed how many they had left on their website......
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Post by: Vespa
d-usa wrote:Makes it pretty clear what the LE box is and that there is a price difference.
My LGS told me when the LE runs out it will be replaced by the standard edition at the same price. But then we do pay twice as much as the rest of the world down here so maybe they decided to give us a "free" mini with our LE??
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Post by: CT GAMER
A Town Called Malus wrote:Yeah I like the Librarian, too.
He's got the pose of walking forwards slowly with psychic lightning flashing out of his hand into whoever stands before him.
From now on I shall call him Palpatine
I love the Librarian. Best model in the bunch imho.
The chaos lord is rather static looking...
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Post by: Platuan4th
 Spectral Dragon wrote: d-usa wrote:Have you guys read the thread or the OP? Makes it pretty clear what the LE box is and that there is a price difference. But feel free to go on and keep on posting "HerpDerp GW"
Yes, I cannot find mention of the unlimited box in there after reading it twice, perhaps I missed it but prices aren't mentioned there either, only the fact that they don't know the price as of yet. (Which btw is 107 USD as mentioned a few times on the previous page) I wish GW listed how many they had left on their website......
We spent an entire page discussing the standard edition. It'll be released the week after the LE is(so, Sept. 8th) and will be $99 USD.
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Post by: Spectral Dragon
 Platuan4th wrote: Spectral Dragon wrote: d-usa wrote:Have you guys read the thread or the OP?
Makes it pretty clear what the LE box is and that there is a price difference.
But feel free to go on and keep on posting "HerpDerp GW"
Yes, I cannot find mention of the unlimited box in there after reading it twice, perhaps I missed it but prices aren't mentioned there either, only the fact that they don't know the price as of yet.
(Which btw is 107 USD as mentioned a few times on the previous page)
I wish GW listed how many they had left on their website......
We spent an entire page discussing the standard edition. It'll be released the week after the LE is(so, Sept. 8th) and will be $99 USD.
As I have already stated, I did not and will not read this entire thread simply for that information, however big thanks for forwarding that info in this post!
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Post by: d-usa
Spectral Dragon wrote: Platuan4th wrote: Spectral Dragon wrote: d-usa wrote:Have you guys read the thread or the OP?
Makes it pretty clear what the LE box is and that there is a price difference.
But feel free to go on and keep on posting "HerpDerp GW"
Yes, I cannot find mention of the unlimited box in there after reading it twice, perhaps I missed it but prices aren't mentioned there either, only the fact that they don't know the price as of yet.
(Which btw is 107 USD as mentioned a few times on the previous page)
I wish GW listed how many they had left on their website......
We spent an entire page discussing the standard edition. It'll be released the week after the LE is(so, Sept. 8th) and will be $99 USD.
As I have already stated, I did not and will not read this entire thread simply for that information I want information but I don't actually want to do the work to find it, however big thanks for forwarding that info in this post!
Fixed that for you. Sorry, but it is a giant pet peeve of mine to have people pop in every few pages and basically post "I know the information is in here, but I don't want to actually look for it, so could somebody please spoonfeed it to me...". Don't take it personal.
Back to actual on-topic discussion though, sorry for the rant.
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Post by: insaniak
 BlapBlapBlap wrote:OK, this guy is disappointing. He's moving very slowly, lacks the ostentatious aura of the other characters, and looks rather stupid, particularly with the completely upright grip of the sword. Really is quite disappointing with the standards of other models in the set.
I would completely disagree there... Personally, I think this guy is right up there with the current Terminator Librarian and Njall as one of the best Librarian models GW has ever produced. He's badass.
I really do like these over the horrible, monopose AoBR models.
Which is interesting, given that they're all in pretty much the same poses... The only difference is that the plasma cannon guy and the beakies have their heads turned sideways. Which admittedly does break it up a bit visually, but there's really not that great a disconnect between these and the AoBR guys.
Again, amazing. The pose is good, it's detailed. My one gripe is the bare head in the middle of the torso, as it just looks out of place. Spiky, yes, but it isn't mindlessly so, and it is amazing.
Given what a Dreadnought is supposed to be, and that this guy is essentially just a slightly more psycho chaotic dreadnought, I think the head works. Although I do have an idea or two to tinker with it a little...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Thanks for the thought insankiak. I have a spare FW World Eater Dread head kicking around. I wonder if it'll fit...
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Post by: Makaleth
You could hollow out that section and put in the FW head I imagine. That would look epic.
BUT! I would get 2 before trying that on one... which means you need 10 as 9 would be a target!
Yep, total sense
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Post by: MajorTom11
d-usa wrote: Spectral Dragon wrote: Platuan4th wrote: Spectral Dragon wrote: d-usa wrote:Have you guys read the thread or the OP?
Makes it pretty clear what the LE box is and that there is a price difference.
But feel free to go on and keep on posting "HerpDerp GW"
Yes, I cannot find mention of the unlimited box in there after reading it twice, perhaps I missed it but prices aren't mentioned there either, only the fact that they don't know the price as of yet.
(Which btw is 107 USD as mentioned a few times on the previous page)
I wish GW listed how many they had left on their website......
We spent an entire page discussing the standard edition. It'll be released the week after the LE is(so, Sept. 8th) and will be $99 USD.
As I have already stated, I did not and will not read this entire thread simply for that information I want information but I don't actually want to do the work to find it, however big thanks for forwarding that info in this post!
Fixed that for you. Sorry, but it is a giant pet peeve of mine to have people pop in every few pages and basically post "I know the information is in here, but I don't want to actually look for it, so could somebody please spoonfeed it to me...". Don't take it personal.
Back to actual on-topic discussion though, sorry for the rant.
I can't blame someone for not reading the entire 50+ page thread and asking a question. However,, @spectral, I am sure that your fellow posters would be much more inclined to help politely if you asked in a more... measured... fashion. You do not have to read the whole thing, but they do not have to summarize it for you because they did. If you are asking for a favor it would help to be friendly I think...
Moving on...
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Post by: Clang
 Makaleth wrote:You could hollow out that section and put in the FW head I imagine. That would look epic.
Hmm, a spare Defiler head might also look good there. A head replacement certainly seems an easy way to create a little individuality.
I'll also be very interested in how easy the body is to repose after a little surgery with a razor saw.
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Post by: CuddlySquig
Dork Vengeance? Ick! If you're going to usurp AoBR, at least don't be limited edition.
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Post by: Gravity
Will the models poses be static? Im thinking about the line I read about the box on GW's site:
"Dark Vengeance contains 49 miniatures, all of which are snap-fit plastic models - this means that glue is optional. "
And also:
"Like all of the models in the Dark Vengeance boxed game, the Interrogator Chaplain is a push-fit miniature, which is almost impossible to believe considering the level of detail on the model"
So if they are snap-fit, I understand that they will snap-fit, but can you change the poses of them at all?
Offcource Im talking about the troops models and perhaps the Hellbrute, and not the Lord and Captain etc.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Don't think so. Kinda sucks, but it is a starter set after all. The models still look pretty damn good regardless, and I imagine future multi-part plastics might not be beyond the realm of possibility.
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Post by: SoloFalcon1138
Just did some minor calculations...
Withe the Interrogator-chaplain, the Dark Angels contingent comes out to just under 1000 points. Wouldn't that be a slightly higher point level than Black Reach?
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Post by: Dr. Delorean
From memory, the Space Marines had about 650pts, the Orks 450, so having the DA be 1000pts by themselves is quite interesting.
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
I have to say that this starter set, overall, is probably the smartest thing GW has done for *years*.
They looked at the success of the limited edition Space Hulk. What do people want? Dynamic, detailed, well-posed minis, especially Terminators and characters. *Especially* if they're limited edition.
They saw how well and how rapidly Space Hulk sold. They tried to do the same thing with Dreadfleet, and it flopped -- no Terminators, no power armour, no minis useable in 40K.
My estimate is that the starter set limited edition is being produced in at least a couple of hundred thousand units worldwide -- so their economies of scale are even better than on SH. Plus, once they sell out of the limited edition -- which is already making them more money than the incredibly lucrative Space Hulk -- they can keep using more than 95% of the molds, to make the unlimited edition.
And their sales are predictable. The vast majority of existing 40K players -- a far larger customer base than the newbies this set nominally targets -- have already preordered the limited edition, a few days after it became available for preorder, because if the unlimited set is a bargain, the limited one is even more so. We know that if we end up not wanting the Chaplain we can sell it at a profit on eBay in a year or two anyway... but who wouldn't want that Chaplain?
Very smart, GW.
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Post by: Deadshot
SM had 590pts if everything was bog standard and you gave the Captain a Powersword
The Orks had 450 exactly if everything was bog standard and then the Twinlinked Rokkit launchers, Big Shootas on the boys and BossKlaw was factored in.
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Post by: Kandle
I do like how the Brute seems to be modeled after the original dreadnaughts from back in the days. Anyone else see the resemblance?
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Post by: notprop
Hmmmm, now you mention it.
Would it be sacrilegious to cut up and old RT one to detail a hellbrute?
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Post by: Sarigar
I think the models for both forces are ace, especially considering this is a starter box and the minis are snap together.
I'm building a DA army, so these models were perfect. I'll also just trade out the Chaos for someone else's DA and it's a very good start to a 2000 point army for $109.
Definitely pre-ordered this set.
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Post by: Raumkampfer
Miniature Market was not offering the limited edition. Had to order the regular, but $75 isn't bad!
Edit: Regular edition is shipping out on the 7th.
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Post by: zuggzuggsrk
Sorry if this has been asked before. I skimmed backwards from the newest post. I dont play 40k but I am a collector and painter.
I wanted to ask those in the know if this special edition is the next Space Hulk/Dreadfleet? The yearly(?) standalone offering. I am not sure since both of those are standalone games and only space hulk had figures that were useful outside of itself. This set not actually being it's own game and such.
I know this is replacing the assault on black reach box and that is/was widely available. Just wondering if there is still something else coming out or if they are now just going this route.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by: Rivet
I truly do not understand the animosity towards duplicate poses on a few of the miniatures. The duplicated miniatures are amazingly sculpted in the first place (Chaos chosen) and fill a role in the unit.
I love all the poses of the Cultists and even though some are duplicates, they can be made to look very different via painting techniques and modeling techniques. Plus, I like that I will have a few in the same pose to work with!
The only ones I would be remotely disappointed about are the tactical squad but again, There is only so much you can do with a snap fit base starter unit.
I can see some of the animosity towards the modelling of the back of the Hellbrute but again, it gives more experienced modellers/painters a solid canvas to work with unlike the cloaks and robes where added detail has been modeled.
I love the pose of the Librarian and am figuring out how to get an additional one (because I have already gone halvsies on my starter) so that I can turn him into a Chaos Sorcerer.
I am unimpressed by the terminators but have never been that impressed by terminators (at least the models other than the Chaos ones which I also hope get redone)
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
 Rivet wrote:I truly do not understand the animosity towards duplicate poses on a few of the miniatures. The duplicated miniatures are amazingly sculpted in the first place (Chaos chosen) and fill a role in the unit.
People have been spoiled in this modern age. Remember the 2nd edition box? Dear god I hated that even at the time.
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
It's so easy to convert plastics to have different poses anyway, or just do arm / head swaps.
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Post by: Rivet
 Howard A Treesong wrote: Rivet wrote:I truly do not understand the animosity towards duplicate poses on a few of the miniatures. The duplicated miniatures are amazingly sculpted in the first place (Chaos chosen) and fill a role in the unit.
People have been spoiled in this modern age. Remember the 2nd edition box? Dear god I hated that even at the time.
2nd edition is before my time. I think when I first got into 40k it was just after the release of Chapter Approved... Then I got out of it until about 3 years ago when I got back in.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I wanted to ask those in the know if this special edition is the next Space Hulk/Dreadfleet? The yearly(?) standalone offering.
No, it is nothing like that. This is the new standard starter set and will be for at least the next few years. The only difference between the LIMITED EDITION Dark Vengeance and the standard Dark Vengeance set going on sale in a few days is the inclusion of one extra miniature, the Interrogator Chaplain.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Just got the WD today, awesome insight into the Crimson Slaughter background and there is a cool painting showcase of the chaos such as alpa legion cultists and chosen, the lord as a word bearer and a cultist flamer dedicated to slannesh, very inspiring
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Post by: Platuan4th
Rivet wrote: Howard A Treesong wrote: Rivet wrote:I truly do not understand the animosity towards duplicate poses on a few of the miniatures. The duplicated miniatures are amazingly sculpted in the first place (Chaos chosen) and fill a role in the unit.
People have been spoiled in this modern age. Remember the 2nd edition box? Dear god I hated that even at the time.
2nd edition is before my time. I think when I first got into 40k it was just after the release of Chapter Approved... Then I got out of it until about 3 years ago when I got back in.
Heh, the first though in my mind was "Which Chapter Approved?" Technically, the first Chapter Approved/Book of the Astronomicon was released in Rogue Trader. 
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Post by: Rivet
Platuan4th wrote: Rivet wrote: Howard A Treesong wrote: Rivet wrote:I truly do not understand the animosity towards duplicate poses on a few of the miniatures. The duplicated miniatures are amazingly sculpted in the first place (Chaos chosen) and fill a role in the unit.
People have been spoiled in this modern age. Remember the 2nd edition box? Dear god I hated that even at the time.
2nd edition is before my time. I think when I first got into 40k it was just after the release of Chapter Approved... Then I got out of it until about 3 years ago when I got back in.
Heh, the first though in my mind was "Which Chapter Approved?" Technically, the first Chapter Approved/Book of the Astronomicon was released in Rogue Trader.
O.o not that one... The one with Sisters of Battle and Chaos cultists.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Rivet wrote: Platuan4th wrote: Rivet wrote: Howard A Treesong wrote: Rivet wrote:I truly do not understand the animosity towards duplicate poses on a few of the miniatures. The duplicated miniatures are amazingly sculpted in the first place (Chaos chosen) and fill a role in the unit.
People have been spoiled in this modern age. Remember the 2nd edition box? Dear god I hated that even at the time.
2nd edition is before my time. I think when I first got into 40k it was just after the release of Chapter Approved... Then I got out of it until about 3 years ago when I got back in.
Heh, the first though in my mind was "Which Chapter Approved?" Technically, the first Chapter Approved/Book of the Astronomicon was released in Rogue Trader.
O.o not that one... The one with Sisters of Battle and Chaos cultists.
Oh, I knew which one you meant. It's just funny to me, because this sort of thing happens all the time.
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Post by: ceorron
Rivet wrote: Platuan4th wrote: Rivet wrote: Howard A Treesong wrote: Rivet wrote:I truly do not understand the animosity towards duplicate poses on a few of the miniatures. The duplicated miniatures are amazingly sculpted in the first place (Chaos chosen) and fill a role in the unit.
People have been spoiled in this modern age. Remember the 2nd edition box? Dear god I hated that even at the time.
2nd edition is before my time. I think when I first got into 40k it was just after the release of Chapter Approved... Then I got out of it until about 3 years ago when I got back in.
Heh, the first though in my mind was "Which Chapter Approved?" Technically, the first Chapter Approved/Book of the Astronomicon was released in Rogue Trader.
O.o not that one... The one with Sisters of Battle and Chaos cultists.
So for those out of the loop, or too young. What were choas cultists (and Sob) like back in the day?
Would be good to contrast how GW has changed over the many years it has been growing into the omnipresent super power of today.
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Post by: Deadshot
So standard edition going out this saturday, to clarify? And looking at about £60?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
 Deadshot wrote:So standard edition going out this saturday, to clarify? And looking at about £60?
Prices on starter sets thankfully are not being notched up at this time with Dark Vengeance, the standard set will cost the same as Assault On Black Reach. That's $99 in the US.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Wow, they didn't bother to make box art for their game?
Weak.
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Post by: Rivet
Somebody in printing got confused and the box art ended up on the BRB and vice versa.
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Post by: Deadshot
 BrassScorpion wrote: Deadshot wrote:So standard edition going out this saturday, to clarify? And looking at about £60?
Prices on starter sets thankfully are not being notched up at this time with Dark Vengeance, the standard set will cost the same as Assault On Black Reach. That's $99 in the US.
Fantastic! £61.50, which if I split with my friend I'll spend £30.75. And if we spend another 25p each we can a large "Bag for life*" to carry it!
*A bag for life is just a plastic bag except they are ultradurable (I tried break it and couldn't) and completely recycable and compostable, and if it gets damaged you can bring it in and get a free replacement.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Are you accusing GW of copying Mantic? Mantic didn't invent the concept of low production values you know!
Sorry, I just wanted to reverse that argument just once. All in good fun.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Are you accusing GW of copying Mantic? Mantic didn't invent the concept of low production values you know!
Sorry, I just wanted to reverse that argument just once. All in good fun.
Nah, they're copying Metallica who copied Spinal Tap.
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Post by: alphaecho
Perhaps the box is Limited Edition with art to follow on the mainstream version.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
Sometimes not having box art is a good idea. I mean..remember this gem?
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Post by: RyanA
It's...it's beautiful 
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Post by: Eiríkr
Sprue pics available...
Check here.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
That's a bit of a stretch.
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Post by: Motograter
Deadshot wrote:So standard edition going out this saturday, to clarify? And looking at about £60?
No. The limited edition set is out this saturday. The non limited standard set is to follow when the ltd sells out
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Post by: Lockark
I can Imagen I'm not the only Chaos player waiting for the cheaper Non-Limited Edition set to come out. =U
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Post by: Deadshot
Motograter wrote: Deadshot wrote:So standard edition going out this saturday, to clarify? And looking at about £60?
No. The limited edition set is out this saturday. The non limited standard set is to follow when the ltd sells out
So I have to wait untill 40,000 copies have sold untill I can buy one? I reckon there is 40,000 LE copies.
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Post by: Symbio Joe
Oookay maybe not as conversion friendly as I suspected...
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
 ceorron wrote:
So for those out of the loop, or too young. What were choas cultists (and Sob) like back in the day?
Would be good to contrast how GW has changed over the many years it has been growing into the omnipresent super power of today.
They didn't as such, Sisters only came in towards the end of 2nd edition and are the same models produced now. There was no range of Sororitas before that, I think they did a figure or two but they were just slim looking Space Marines and nothing like the current lot. Chaos cultists had a set of figures for 2nd edition but the range seemed fairly short lived, they mostly had bare chests and wore robes from the waist down from what I recall. Before that non-marine Chaos stuff was a range of various mutant type characters, they didn't have a uniform range of cultists that I remember.
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Post by: Nevelon
Looks like a very easy head swap for people who think the winged helm is over the top.
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Post by: Grey Templar
With a helmet like that on a nameless captain model, I wonder what Azrael's resculpt will look like
I must say again how impressive the detail on these models is, especially considering they are all snap together.
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Post by: haroon
Grey Templar wrote:With a helmet like that on a nameless captain model, I wonder what Azrael's resculpt will look like
I must say again how impressive the detail on these models is, especially considering they are all snap together.
Nameless captain? How dare you sir! He is Company Master Balthasar
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Post by: Deadshot
Grey Templar wrote:With a helmet like that on a nameless captain model, I wonder what Azrael's resculpt will look like
I must say again how impressive the detail on these models is, especially considering they are all snap together.
Easy. Pretty much badass but still has the bloke with the helmet for saftey precautions. Even his mighty neck cannot hold wingcrests bigger than himself!
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
haroon wrote: Grey Templar wrote:With a helmet like that on a nameless captain model, I wonder what Azrael's resculpt will look like
I must say again how impressive the detail on these models is, especially considering they are all snap together.
Nameless captain? How dare you sir! He is Company Master Balthasar
Which company is Balthasar in charge of? 4th or 5th?
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Post by: Destrado
I think it's the 5th, based on the knees.
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Post by: Kroothawk
alphaecho wrote:
Perhaps the box is Limited Edition with art to follow on the mainstream version.
That assumption is correct.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Deadshot wrote:Motograter wrote: Deadshot wrote:So standard edition going out this saturday, to clarify? And looking at about £60?
No. The limited edition set is out this saturday. The non limited standard set is to follow when the ltd sells out
So I have to wait untill 40,000 copies have sold untill I can buy one? I reckon there is 40,000 LE copies.
No, you just have to wait a week. Unlimited is supposedly released August 8th.
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Post by: Deadshot
Don't you mean September? Well that annoys me because I need to get the CSM (Lord Chosen and Hellbrute) done by the end of September and having only 3 weeks to do so pisses me off, and I don't want to drop an extra £1.75 so my friend can MAYBE get a Chaplain.
When I say MAYBE its because I think some people are going to preorder and be let down as with 6th ed Gamers and Collector edition.
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Post by: EYEofTERROR
It seems the Limited Edition is SOLD OUT
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Post by: d-usa
Artificial scarcity FTW!
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Post by: Nicorex
Did anyone else notice in this months WD, that the forces of Chaos did not win a single encounter(not including first one since its a play aginst yourself)? If I was a brand new to 40K player that had chosen the chaos army, I think I would feel pretty put out that it seems like the force I picked never stands a chance aginst the opposing DA player. I think it would have been better for this starter set if the Chaos forces had recived the limited edition model and that it had been a Sorcerer or a pair of Obliterators.
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Post by: Brometheus
Oh I noticed.
Enjoy your new book, DA.
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Post by: d-usa
Wait, we are judging the performance of a new army based on batt-reps in a magazine that despite being owned by GW manages to get the rules wrong and fields illegal armies on a regular basis?
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Post by: Brometheus
Gotta love WD batreps with demon princes who have Molten Beam and Bolt of Change.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Yup, it's always hilarious to see the screwups and the occasionall "lets pull stuff out of our arses just so it looks cool"
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Heh. Yeah.
The idea of limited edition plastic models is even more laughable than limited edition Finecost models.
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Post by: JB
Apparently so on the US web site but still available on most other GW sites including the UK. I'm glad that I pre-ordered mine on Sunday since I am travelling this weekend and cannot pick up a Limited Edition locally.
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Post by: Fireball
So, I thought it over and ordered the Limited Edition. I may only be able to convert the DA Librarian into a Red Hunter, but still there is too much value and excellent miniatures in this starter set to pass by ... I somehow even want to paint the Hellbrute
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Damn hope giftsforgeeks get back to me soon, received a call from my bank yesterday stating they declined payments for my phone bla bla which I stated it was me to made those transactions. Then they said the payment I made for the starter set was declined. I am really confused here because the website and emails say they have received me payment and I have paid for it successfully. However there is no payment being taken out of my account yet. Really hoping this doesnt cancel my order :(
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Post by: rocketboy
Deadshot wrote:Motograter wrote: Deadshot wrote:So standard edition going out this saturday, to clarify? And looking at about £60?
No. The limited edition set is out this saturday. The non limited standard set is to follow when the ltd sells out
So I have to wait untill 40,000 copies have sold untill I can buy one? I reckon there is 40,000 LE copies.
Dont think you will have to wait long, I reckon the LE will be sold out by release date and the normal edition will be on sale next week.
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Post by: Slinky
rocketboy wrote: Deadshot wrote:Motograter wrote: Deadshot wrote:So standard edition going out this saturday, to clarify? And looking at about £60?
No. The limited edition set is out this saturday. The non limited standard set is to follow when the ltd sells out
So I have to wait untill 40,000 copies have sold untill I can buy one? I reckon there is 40,000 LE copies.
Dont think you will have to wait long, I reckon the LE will be sold out by release date and the normal edition will be on sale next week.
That already seems to be the case in the US...
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Post by: VermGho5t
I am going to go apesht if that is the detail when the rest of the chaos figures are released. Those look like they are going to be a lot of fun to paint here next week
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Post by: pretre
Go to their website, there's tons of closeups of the chaos figs on the What's new.
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Post by: VermGho5t
Thanks pretre!
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Post by: timd
Started a " 40K Box Set Modeling and Conversions Thread" in Painting & Modeling for conversion/modeling discussion and eventually pics of the cool stuff people will be doing with the box set miniatures.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/472867.page#4705292
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Post by: Jackal
Dont usually post on the N&R forum, but gotta say, LE or not this is quality.
The level of detail alone is amazing for snapfit.
Smart move with the chosen too.
Could see some real issues trying to match them in with normal CSM's.
Hellbrute is nice, would make a better iron warriors prince though IMO 
Gunna go out on a limb and order the set, even though i dont collect either army.
Just seems too good to pass up.
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Post by: pretre
Keep in mind that only the DA Chaplain is LE. The rest is going to be released over and over for the next 4 years in the DV normal boxset.
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Post by: Grey Templar
GW said "Mortis Metalikus, the Chaos Space Marine Helbrute."
How's it going there Death Metal?
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Post by: Jackal
I know pretre, but its worth it for the chappy alone
Plus, ive been waiting on this for the small rules book, rather than selling my left arm (or a kidney) for the normal one.
I know its only a week between the 2 sets, but ive waited too long as it is and im keen to get painting
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Post by: Wrakkar
Lockark wrote:I can Imagen I'm not the only Chaos player waiting for the cheaper Non-Limited Edition set to come out. =U
Tru dat. But even a chaos player could find an interest in a SM chaplain. Think dark apostle...
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Post by: Deadshot
Not every Chaos Player wants evil chaplains though. I for example want a purely destructive force. Couple Khorne Chaos lords under 2k, some CC or CC/Pistol Chosen or Terminators and Berserkers. At 2k throw in a Khorne Prince with Wings and some a Land Raider to transport my Zerkers or Terminies and the relevant lord (TDA or DV) and maybe a Defiler or more Termies
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Deadshot wrote:Not every Chaos Player wants evil chaplains though. I for example want a purely destructive force. Couple Khorne Chaos lords under 2k, some CC or CC/Pistol Chosen or Terminators and Berserkers. At 2k throw in a Khorne Prince with Wings and some a Land Raider to transport my Zerkers or Terminies and the relevant lord ( TDA or DV) and maybe a Defiler or more Termies
Amen! Maybe if the evil chaplians were roaring maniacs bellowing out curses and taunts. Kind of like an angry marine induced with khorneroids
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
unmercifulconker wrote: Deadshot wrote:Not every Chaos Player wants evil chaplains though. I for example want a purely destructive force. Couple Khorne Chaos lords under 2k, some CC or CC/Pistol Chosen or Terminators and Berserkers. At 2k throw in a Khorne Prince with Wings and some a Land Raider to transport my Zerkers or Terminies and the relevant lord ( TDA or DV) and maybe a Defiler or more Termies
Amen! Maybe if the evil chaplians were roaring maniacs bellowing out curses and taunts. Kind of like an angry marine induced with khorneroids
It might be likely that you'll be able to give them marks so they'll be proper Apostles of Khorne
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Post by: Nicorex
Well I got a notice in my email say that my copy of DV has shipped. So thats good news.
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Post by: Rayvon
The amount of people on ebay selling the figures for pre order is ridiculous !!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Wargames-RolePlaying-/16486/i.html?_nkw=Dark+Vengeance
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Post by: Drunkspleen
The people I ordered from were going to ship mine today but unfortunately they have been hit by the GW crackdown and told nothing can arrive till the release date (which means nothing in the post till friday, which means not getting it till next week)
pretty bummed since the same people got me my 6th edition rulebook 2 days early, stupid GW and their crackdown on leaks.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
 ZebioLizard2 wrote: unmercifulconker wrote: Deadshot wrote:Not every Chaos Player wants evil chaplains though. I for example want a purely destructive force. Couple Khorne Chaos lords under 2k, some CC or CC/Pistol Chosen or Terminators and Berserkers. At 2k throw in a Khorne Prince with Wings and some a Land Raider to transport my Zerkers or Terminies and the relevant lord ( TDA or DV) and maybe a Defiler or more Termies
Amen! Maybe if the evil chaplians were roaring maniacs bellowing out curses and taunts. Kind of like an angry marine induced with khorneroids
It might be likely that you'll be able to give them marks so they'll be proper Apostles of Khorne
Oh my...... 
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Post by: decoste007xt
Boxset looks awesome, I can only hope this is a new level of design for both Dark Angels and Chaos. The difference between a CSM and those Chosen is undeniably awesome. I almost think this is the "evil" version of Honor Guard as they look awesome compared to regular SM but these Chosen look so brutal, so menacing.. The designer deserves some props because I'd love to see this level of design across the board..
I see it as a window into a new design for Thousand Sons, Noise Marines.. and others....
Dark Angels look very solid, I can only hope that the other marine chapters get the same level of detail. I play both Chaos and GreyKnights.... and I can say when I picked up my GK they felt far more awesome than a lot of my Chaos models, painting them made me a better painter all around where as my Chaos models were a bit harder because of how goopy some of the outlines are on the models.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
My set has been shipped, woohoo!
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Post by: Tyranid Horde
Sorry if this has been mentioned before but if the set is limited edition will that mean after those sets are sold out will there be another set that could be a bit cheaper? Or are GW just branding the set Limited Edition?
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Post by: Grey Templar
 Tyranid Horde wrote:Sorry if this has been mentioned before but if the set is limited edition will that mean after those sets are sold out will there be another set that could be a bit cheaper? Or are GW just branding the set Limited Edition?
This has been gone over to death.
But just to reiterate,
The Limited Edition box has the Chaplain in it, and costs like $7 more then the normal set.
The normal set will be released shortly after the Limited edition set is.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
Mother of god...
I JUST read that the Chaplain could be used as a Dark Apostle....
Holy Crap >.<!
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
 Bloodhorror wrote:Mother of god...
I JUST read that the Chaplain could be used as a Dark Apostle....
Holy Crap >.<!
And where did you read this at?
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Post by: Bloodhorror
 Wrakkar wrote:Lockark wrote:I can Imagen I'm not the only Chaos player waiting for the cheaper Non-Limited Edition set to come out. =U
Tru dat. But even a chaos player could find an interest in a SM chaplain. Think dark apostle...
I meant it can be used as, counts as wise. Not as an officail Dark Apostle
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Just got the e-mail mine just shipped.
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Post by: oni
Yea, me too.
Tho it usually takes ~5 days for my stuff to arrive from TN.
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Post by: Jackal
Status: Dispatched
Love it
Bet it will take longer than the usual next day delivery i get :(
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Post by: Kroothawk
Guess most shops have them by now.
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Post by: BlapBlapBlap
Heh, I'm getting mine on release day from the GW...
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Post by: Melcavuk
Mine shipped today, hoping priority shipping is fast
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Post by: BrookM
Having seen the minis, copies aside, I especially like the two Chosen power plants that have tentacles holding the bolter to one side and reloading it with another pair of tentacles on the other.
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Post by: wildboar
Yeah GW states that my copy has been 'shipped'. I'm hoping it arrives on the saturday but it is not officially being dispatched till friday so might have to wait till monday. I found GW has always delivered incredibly quickly and I'm hoping this is no exception. The GW site is still allowing orders to be placed for the LE copy so reports that they are sold out may be a little misplaced.
As for the DA iconography I may look at defacing/abusing a lot of it on a couple of the better models (Chaplain & Libby probably) and using them as fallen to further bolster the Chaos contingent I get.
Boar
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Post by: Platuan4th
 wildboar wrote: The GW site is still allowing orders to be placed for the LE copy so reports that they are sold out may be a little misplaced.
Note that all the sold out reports are coming from users in the States, which, in fact, HAS sold out and is currently pre-selling the standard edition.
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Post by: sennacherib
Really excited about this set. Going home to order NOW>
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Unboxing video in German
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHxHo527hpY
They show the Chaplain sprue, which is a fantasy-style character mini sprue, not push-fit. eeeenteresting.
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Post by: catharsix
Thanks for posting this. I've been DYING to see the sprues themselves. Nice to see that the CSM are made of several bits, so that converting these will be easier (arm and head swaps, etc.).
This is good news for me, since it means I can use the 18-24 Chosen I'll have to make the core of my (Power-Armored) infantry for a CSM army.
-C6
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Post by: pretre
That chaplain is basically push fit. I just checked out the video. They have just improved on push fit.
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Post by: nolzur
 pretre wrote:That chaplain is basically push fit. I just checked out the video. They have just improved on push fit.
The push-fits that GW is showing on their website look to me to be very similar in design to the ones from Island of Blood. This makes me very happy, as those are super quick to assemble, and they are very nice-looking minis.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
pretre wrote:That chaplain is basically push fit. I just checked out the video. They have just improved on push fit.
The pieces are intricately cut, but unlike the rest of the models he doesn't have pegs, so you have to glue him.
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Post by: catharsix
 nolzur wrote: pretre wrote:That chaplain is basically push fit. I just checked out the video. They have just improved on push fit.
The push-fits that GW is showing on their website look to me to be very similar in design to the ones from Island of Blood. This makes me very happy, as those are super quick to assemble, and they are very nice-looking minis.
Agreed. IoB gave me a high degree of confidence that GW wouldn't drop the ball on the new 6th Ed. set, and they didn't disappoint.. The character models from IoB in particular are rather impressive.
What surprised me was the high quality of the DESIGN of the Chaos stuff, pretty much across the board. It has been taken in a great direction, and fleshed out to be more than vanilla marines+spikes & (more) skullz. Or maybe, as other posters have pointed out, taken BACK in a more old-school direction, in a good way. I'm thinking of the pic below, in particular:
Some awesome baroque, Chaos-y goodness from way back in the day, that more recent CSM had lost. resembles the Bolter-toting new Chosen model, n'est ce pas?
-C6
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Post by: Brometheus
I am not ashamed to say that I fully intend on using 8 of the bolter Chosen as Thousand Sons, with one of the other fellows from the starter kit as a Sorcerer.
I don't care if they all have the same pose.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Being mindless automatons they probably would have similer poses.
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Post by: Platuan4th
 catharsix wrote:
What surprised me was the high quality of the DESIGN of the Chaos stuff, pretty much across the board. It has been taken in a great direction, and fleshed out to be more than vanilla marines+spikes & (more) skullz. Or maybe, as other posters have pointed out, taken BACK in a more old-school direction, in a good way.
If you watch the Making of the Helbrute video, they actually mention going back and referencing the old RT and 2nd Blanche art when making the Chaos from the set.
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Post by: punkow
Does anybody have infos about rules for cultists? Any new rules in the "how to play" booklet?
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Post by: Charax
Platuan4th wrote:If you watch the Making of the Helbrute video, they actually mention going back and referencing the old RT and 2nd Blanche art when making the Chaos from the set.
Shame they didn't actually elaborate on what elements they took from there. Still, the parts breakdown makes me happy - the arm looks really easy to reverse and I have two hellbrutes coming from different places, so hopefully something interesting will come from it, and the layered way the head is constructed makes headswaps ridiculously simple.
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Post by: Breotan
Okay, I just checked out the 360 of the Hellbrute on GW's site and it is one of the better models they've done in quite some time. From the way the sprue is cut, it looks like you can do a head swap with almost zero difficulty if you really want to. Interesting that they painted it up red for Khorn yet it has sculpted horns and eyes that scream Tzeench.
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Post by: Spartiat1s
Received the limited ed. today via fed ex, had ordered it on Saturday from the GW site and received shipping confirmation number on Monday. Here is a couple pics of the sprues I took with my phone. Overall the quality of the models is fantastic. Rulebook is also nice and full color. This is the first purchase I've made from GW since the AOBR box set and glad I was able to jump on the LE as I play Dark Angels.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I had a feeling that’d be it – 2 sprues with 9 Cultists, 1 SB/PF Terminator, 1 Bolter Chosen, 4 standard Marines and a bike, and then two sprues for all the unique stuff, including the heavy weapons for the Cultists.
Very efficient design. Great design actually. Very impressed.
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Post by: Makaleth
is the Ltd Edition model there?
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Post by: frozenwastes
This set makes me a bit sad in that it's another clear example of how GW could fill their sprues up with miniatures like these and offer great value for the money but they don't unless it's a starter set.
The sprue layouts are so efficient. Imagine if every sprue they made was like these in terms of figures per square inch. While building miniatures from multiple parts is fun, I think I'd rather have these great looking sculpts and get more of them even if there are some repeat poses.
Ah well. There's always eBay.
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Post by: notprop
The newer plastic boxsets are cok full of things with little if any space left, rightly covering all options to complete that unit. I prefer that though whether the dual purpose nature of allot of new kits represents value/good utility remains to be seen.
It worked for the new Leman Russ kit, I was less keen on the VC Blacknight kit.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 frozenwastes wrote:This set makes me a bit sad in that it's another clear example of how GW could fill their sprues up with miniatures like these and offer great value for the money but they don't unless it's a starter set.
It makes me yearn for a re-cut SM Commander sprue. Imagine that with their new efficient tech. Imagine how great that'd be?
It also makes me lament sprues that are baren despite this new tech (yes new Daemonettes and Daemonette Cav - I'm looking right at you).
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Post by: Clang
Great to see the Hellbrute is 8 parts - looks pretty easy to customise, e.g. with different heads, and not that difficult to convert to a different pose.
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Post by: Drunkspleen
It's pretty laughable that the local reseller I'm getting mine from was told he couldn't ship till the 31st ensuring nobody actually has their starter set until at least 2 days after it is released meanwhile GW Direct is getting them to people 2 days early.
And then they tell us the reason they banned international sellers from selling to Australia is to support the FLGS, yeah right, real supportive GW.
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Post by: Hrontore Da Death Bringer
Gws site still says it has Limited Editiond up for sale
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Post by: UltraPrime
Is there a painting guide in the set?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Drunkspleen wrote:And then they tell us the reason they banned international sellers from selling to Australia is to support the FLGS, yeah right, real supportive GW.
I'm not getting mine from Oz. What's stopping you?
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Post by: Drunkspleen
H.B.M.C. wrote: Drunkspleen wrote:And then they tell us the reason they banned international sellers from selling to Australia is to support the FLGS, yeah right, real supportive GW.
I'm not getting mine from Oz. What's stopping you?
That's beside the point, all I'm saying is that their words don't exactly align with their actions. I'm content with the discounted price I'm getting without having to go overseas, just saying, cracking down on early releases by re-sellers and then releasing direct versions early doesn't exactly help the re-sellers flourish and form a strong community.
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Post by: Gravity
Mine shipped yesterday, and not to the local store, but to my home adress . So I'm expecting delivery in the middle of next week, perhaps before said date. If they'v not put some kind of hold on the delivery.
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Post by: Yodhrin
False alarm chaps, they've not shipped anything.
I called this morning to get my tracking number, since their automailer never bothers to send it to me via email, and apparently the "we've shipped your product" emails go out automatically when the warehouse team package your order up to send, but in this case they're not actually sending them immediately as they normally would, they're just packing all the orders up in advance ready to send starting from midnight tonight.
The absolute earliest anyone will get them, according to the chap on the phone, is tomorrow if you paid for overnight. Which means I wasted a fiver on Express, because mine may well not show up until monday or tuesday. Super-annoyed now.
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Post by: wowsmash
Odd considering the previous page had pics of the sprues so some people have them. I'll chalk that up to the right hand not knowing what the left is doing.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
 Yodhrin wrote:False alarm chaps, they've not shipped anything.
I called this morning to get my tracking number, since their automailer never bothers to send it to me via email, and apparently the "we've shipped your product" emails go out automatically when the warehouse team package your order up to send, but in this case they're not actually sending them immediately as they normally would, they're just packing all the orders up in advance ready to send starting from midnight tonight.
The absolute earliest anyone will get them, according to the chap on the phone, is tomorrow if you paid for overnight. Which means I wasted a fiver on Express, because mine may well not show up until monday or tuesday. Super-annoyed now.
I'd say that telling people you've shipped their stuff when you actually haven't is very bad business practice.
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Post by: kronicpsycho
I ordered mine on Ebay from the US and he sent it out on the 24th by USPS Priority Mail International. Hopefully I get it tomorrow or Monday : /
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Post by: SoloFalcon1138
 wowsmash wrote:Odd considering the previous page had pics of the sprues so some people have them. I'll chalk that up to the right hand not knowing what the left is doing.
Nope. More like they were lifted from the GW blog.
I am fascinated by the amount of detailing on the Helbrute. I wonder if that external piece of armour on the DCCW is some sort of retractable claw thing, like blood talons...
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Seriously, what it the point of talking out of one's ass like this?
Spartiat1s wrote:Received the limited ed. today via fed ex, had ordered it on Saturday from the GW site and received shipping confirmation number on Monday. Here is a couple pics of the sprues I took with my phone. Overall the quality of the models is fantastic. Rulebook is also nice and full color. This is the first purchase I've made from GW since the AOBR box set and glad I was able to jump on the LE as I play Dark Angels.
(more pics in original post)
And an unboxing video in German, probably also lifted from GW's blog
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Post by: Teeef
Yodhrin wrote:False alarm chaps, they've not shipped anything.
I called this morning to get my tracking number, since their automailer never bothers to send it to me via email, and apparently the "we've shipped your product" emails go out automatically when the warehouse team package your order up to send, but in this case they're not actually sending them immediately as they normally would, they're just packing all the orders up in advance ready to send starting from midnight tonight.
The absolute earliest anyone will get them, according to the chap on the phone, is tomorrow if you paid for overnight. Which means I wasted a fiver on Express, because mine may well not show up until monday or tuesday. Super-annoyed now.
Then they have FedEx in on their game because I got the tracking number and mine has left Memphis and will arrive on the 31st.
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Post by: BlapBlapBlap
Sorry, they stopped orders for some reason but put them back up.
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Post by: Anpu42
I have come to hate the whole LE thing. I wanted one, but I dont get paid until the 2nd.
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Post by: pretre
You probably can order it from a FLGS and have them hold it for you until the 2nd.
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Post by: Farseer Tahril
Yeah... GW are annoying sometimes ... oh well ... looking forward to new DA and CSM 'dexes coming this autumn
Looking forward to Tau and Eldar 'dexes next spring.
hurry up GW!!!! pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaseee!
-Farseer Tahril 
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Post by: Spartiat1s
Here are a few more pics of the rule book pages over the getting started guide for size comparison and a the chaplain on his data sheet. The data sheet that was included is nice and would be great if GW started doing this for all their kits. There is no painting guide and there are no points for the units on the data sheets. New to this, so mods if I'm posting too much of the data sheet please remove
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Post by: Rivet
Spartiat1s wrote:Here are a few more pics of the rule book pages over the getting started guide for size comparison and a the chaplain on his data sheet. The data sheet that was included is nice and would be great if GW started doing this for all their kits. There is no painting guide and there are no points for the units on the data sheets. New to this, so mods if I'm posting too much of the data sheet please remove
Are points for the new units not listed at all?
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Post by: pretre
Rivet wrote:Spartiat1s wrote:Here are a few more pics of the rule book pages over the getting started guide for size comparison and a the chaplain on his data sheet. The data sheet that was included is nice and would be great if GW started doing this for all their kits. There is no painting guide and there are no points for the units on the data sheets. New to this, so mods if I'm posting too much of the data sheet please remove
Are points for the new units not listed at all?
Underlined that for you.
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Post by: Rivet
pretre wrote: Rivet wrote:Spartiat1s wrote:Here are a few more pics of the rule book pages over the getting started guide for size comparison and a the chaplain on his data sheet. The data sheet that was included is nice and would be great if GW started doing this for all their kits. There is no painting guide and there are no points for the units on the data sheets. New to this, so mods if I'm posting too much of the data sheet please remove
Are points for the new units not listed at all?
Underlined that for you.
That is on the data sheets, I was wondering if they may have been listed somewhere else in the set perhaps on something other than the data sheets. Sheesh.
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Post by: punkow
Thx Spartiat!!! Are there at least the point values of the whole armies like in AoBR ?
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Post by: Spartiat1s
Just skimming through the starting guide and the data sheets there are no mentions of point values. It is almost like they are treating it as a stand alone box set or just waiting for the codex to come out and assign points.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
They're just making sure nobody DARES to use any of the new figures in a real game until the new codex drops
remember they fear the world will end if things happen early
(whether that's info relase, shipping of new product or even games with new figures),
Unless it's all a big con, and the codex and points values aren't finalised yet (JOKE)
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Post by: pretre
Umm, you could, of course use the minis with the existing codexes... (Dreadnought for Hellbrute, Guard for Cultists) Automatically Appended Next Post:  Automatically Appended Next Post: 
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Post by: unmercifulconker
No points values? Seriously?
How hard is to put a number down by the stats, rather than making us wait a month.
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Post by: d-usa
The points will be available for $4.99 on iPad on Friday I am sure...
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Post by: Grey Templar
Hmmm, no special rules in the set either. Sneaky GW, not revealing anything about the Hellbrute or Cultists yet(or new Chaos rules for Chosen or Chaos Lord)
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Post by: unmercifulconker
They actually want me to set the set aside for a month before using it. :/
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Post by: pretre
Well, it does put to bed the idea that the Hellbrute would be a MC instead of a vehicle.
Also, the DA Libby is Ld10. It confirms the guard, but a 6+ for the cultists as well.
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Or just:
- use it as designed, without points values.
- use it with existing codexes.
This isn't rocket surgery folks. How many starter sets had points in the past?
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Post by: Grey Templar
AoBR had squad totals IIRC. It also had army totals in the back.
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Post by: pretre
Ooh, good to know. I've never actually bought a starter set. (Well, maybe 3rd, I can't remember.)
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Post by: Grey Templar
One thing I noticed is that the Chaplain basically gives his squad Preferred Enemy: Chaos Space Marines.
Sneak preview of what DA Chaplains do?
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Post by: Brometheus
It appears so, Grey Templar.
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I hope Chaos indeed get Hatred against Space Marines, but its not in the starter :\
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Post by: ergotoxin
Really shame GW went so far with iconography and shoulder markings. I guess the Dark Angels figures will be sold for very cheap on ebay... Good news for Dark Angels players, bad news for the rest. Dark Angels might become a very budget-friendly army, though.
It's a pity the original rumors did not prove true (eg. specific sets for Chaos and Dark Angels).
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Post by: Nick Ellingworth
That picture is a massive relief to me, looks like the tactical marine sergeant will be completely compatible with regular SM helmets. That's one less model I have to cut up shame they didn't do the same thing with the Ravenwing sergeant though as his bare head is equally annoying.
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Post by: Deadshot
The only special rules I have seen in a starter set for the last 3 editions was Rending for Genestealers in Battle for Maccrage and Independent Character.
Battle for Maccrage
No special rules
Assault on Black Reach
No combat Tactics
No Combat Squads
No And the Shall No Know Fear
No Waaagh!
No Mob Rule
Dark Vengeance
No rules.
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Post by: Perfect Organism
The Helbrute statline looks basically identical to a dread. Does this mean that they are replacing dreads or that the two units will be distinguished in some way which isn't obvious from these rules?
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Post by: d-usa
 ergotoxin wrote:Really shame GW went so far with iconography and shoulder markings. I guess the Dark Angels figures will be sold for very cheap on ebay... Good news for Dark Angels players, bad news for the rest. Dark Angels might become a very budget-friendly army, though.
Depends on the Codex. If it is simply the next UeberCodex ala Grey Knights then people will be purchasing them for the near future, or until the next UeberCodex comes out.
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Post by: timd
Love the DVD player screen on the handlebars. The holstered, UNLOADED bolt pistol is fun, but at least he is carrying a mag on his belt. "Let's see, where do I park this chainsword while I unstrap and pull out the bolt pistol with my right hand and unstrap and pull out the magazine with my left hand and then use both hands to insert the mag into the bolt pistol while driving off road." Do bikes have Machine Spirits?
I guess he could reach back with his right hand and grab the mag over rear wheel, transfer it to his left hand and then pull out the pistol with his right hand...
Looks like the backpack could easily be modified to the pre-heresy Death guard symbol with the removal of a few spikes.
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Post by: d-usa
timd wrote:
Love the DVD player screen on the handlebars. The holstered, UNLOADED bolt pistol is fun, but at least he is carrying a mag on his belt. "Let's see, where do I park this chainsword while I unstrap and pull out the bolt pistol with my right hand and unstrap and pull out the magazine with my left hand and then use both hands to insert the mag into the bolt pistol while driving off road." Do bikes have Machine Spirits?
I guess he could reach back with his right hand and grab the mag over rear wheel, transfer it to his left hand and then pull out the pistol with his right hand...
Looks like the backpack could easily be modified to the pre-heresy Death guard symbol with the removal of a few spikes.
Could be a plasma pistol, problem solved!
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Post by: timd
d-usa wrote:timd wrote:
Love the DVD player screen on the handlebars. The holstered, UNLOADED bolt pistol is fun, but at least he is carrying a mag on his belt. "Let's see, where do I park this chainsword while I unstrap and pull out the bolt pistol with my right hand and unstrap and pull out the magazine with my left hand and then use both hands to insert the mag into the bolt pistol while driving off road." Do bikes have Machine Spirits?
I guess he could reach back with his right hand and grab the mag over rear wheel, transfer it to his left hand and then pull out the pistol with his right hand...
Looks like the backpack could easily be modified to the pre-heresy Death guard symbol with the removal of a few spikes.
Could be a plasma pistol, problem solved!
Holster is pretty small for a plasma pistol. Loking at the Dark Angel roster from the box set the RW sergeant does not even have a pistol....
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Nick Ellingworth wrote:
That picture is a massive relief to me, looks like the tactical marine sergeant will be completely compatible with regular SM helmets. That's one less model I have to cut up shame they didn't do the same thing with the Ravenwing sergeant though as his bare head is equally annoying.
I have three spare "cool" helmets from my Venerable Dreadnought that I just base coated that I'm very pleased I'll be able to swap the sergeant's heads out for. Give one more marine with a standard head a cooler look too.
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Post by: Brometheus
Maybe you guys are reading into it too much.
This isn't SotG Stone Bay where we're doing operator rifle-to-pistol walking transitions.
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Post by: wowsmash
I'd have to agree with that. It's like action movies. Your not supposed to ask why he hasn't reloaded. Shhh your ruining it.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Perfect Organism wrote:The Helbrute statline looks basically identical to a dread. Does this mean that they are replacing dreads or that the two units will be distinguished in some way which isn't obvious from these rules?
Its leaked statline gives it Rampage and something else I can't remember.
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
ergotoxin wrote:Really shame GW went so far with iconography and shoulder markings. I guess the Dark Angels figures will be sold for very cheap on ebay... Good news for Dark Angels players, bad news for the rest. Dark Angels might become a very budget-friendly army, though.
You're probably right about this.
But there are some DA players who may have some problems with the Tactical Squads coming out of DV. Don't know why, but the current plastic sprues for the DA stuff never had a good shouldpad for the winged sword. They had a bunch of other spiffy shouldpads, but you're basic winged sword shouldpad, like on these new DV Tactical Marines they never made. For me at least it kind of makes me want to go with what I've got in either form 1. Don't use the DA Tacts, because their shoulder markings don't match what I've got. or 2. Saw up the DV Tacts and use the shoulders from the previous sets I've been using.
The tactical arrows on the left shoulder is just more of the same for me. Damn me for liking being truly anal about uniformity. Damn them for not making decent plastics of the basics. Cause their metal pads are too small when compared to their plastic ones....detail sucks on the metals too.
Besides my bitch about the Tacts, their bikers, termies and characters are all gonna get assimilated into my army, and I thank GW for making a top notch product.
And it broke my heart to see that chaplain was a plastic.....I mean, it took so much to produce that sprue, and it's got an expensive metal mold that'll never ever go bad.....why the limited run on it? I call shennanigans. Putting together a black ops team to raid the facility and steal those metal plates!!!
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Post by: Brometheus
I'm in, but you go first. I've already had mine.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
I bet that Chaplain ends up for sale on his own later on.
Otherwise peoples arguments about steel moulds being too expensive for plastic special characters gets blown out the water.
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Post by: Jackal
They wont bring him back later on though, kind of defeats the object of the set being limited edition.
Much like you wont see a new wave of space hulk sets released.
Either way, the chappy is being hacked up and made into a dark apostle and the 2nd one is being added to my collection of chappys
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Post by: Palindrome
I notice that the shotgun in the summary sheet is S4. A typo or has it been rebalanced?
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Post by: pretre
Psst. Shotgun's are S4 for Marines. The Chaos guys have little remorse about giving the Cultists hand-me-downs. Imperials are afraid it will offend the machine spirit.
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Post by: insaniak
Perfect Organism wrote:The Helbrute statline looks basically identical to a dread. Does this mean that they are replacing dreads or that the two units will be distinguished in some way which isn't obvious from these rules?
It will most likely come down to special rules in the codex.
timd wrote:Love the DVD player screen on the handlebars.
Those are on the normal bike kit as well.
A Town Called Malus wrote:I bet that Chaplain ends up for sale on his own later on.
Otherwise peoples arguments about steel moulds being too expensive for plastic special characters gets blown out the water.
Not entirely. It most certainly was true previously, but the costs of plastic moulding have been coming down. But it's also likely that GW have simply worked the cost of that single, small sprue into the margin of the starter set as a whole. They know that they'll sell all of the limited edition sets, so they just need to produce however many it takes to pay for that mould.
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Post by: BrookM
pretre wrote:Psst. Shotgun's are S4 for Marines. The Chaos guys have little remorse about giving the Cultists hand-me-downs. Imperials are afraid it will offend the machine spirit.
Actually, these Traitor Marines were loyalists at first, until a curse placed upon them by Khorne drove them mad.
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Post by: Platuan4th
 Jackal wrote:They wont bring him back later on though, kind of defeats the object of the set being limited edition.
Never stopped them in the past when they put the metal LEs for sale multiple times. Now that I see his sprue, I wish I could get a hold of a second one just for the head and crozius arm.
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Post by: Jackal
No space hulk for sale again though, or any of the LE army bundles.
I see your point though.
I may be able to help on that one too.
The dark apostle ill be making will have a power maul and a bare head, so essentially those will be spare to me.
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Post by: adamsouza
Jackal wrote:They wont bring him back later on though, kind of defeats the object of the set being limited edition.
I own a few of GW's "Limited Edtiion" models that became slightly less limited when GW decided to sell them again, in limited quantities through GW direct at events, etc...
That being said:
1.) It might have been profitable to have a small 1 figure steel mold cut to ensure they sold a ton of Starters through GW direct at full retail, instead of wholesale to distributors.
2.) They might be limited due to damage to the mold
3.) If they showed up in a limited fashion, in a few months, I wouldn't be suprised.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That Chaplain is a great model. I really do hope GW does more of these single-frame plastics, and doesn't do what was reported and run screaming into the arms of more fething Finecost.
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