Nuclear Mekanik wrote:You can totally see why they don't though, it literally would lose them money.
Does not compute.
Really? Are you serious, or is my sarcasm meter just broken? I think he explained it rather precisely, but I'll give it a shot too.
You quoted almost three dozen people (yourself included) who, at the moment of first sight, wanted to drop the ~$100 without further question. If the first time you had seen those pics was right next to the "Pre-Order" button on the GW website, GW would have their three grand in pocket instantly. Instead, the pre-order doesn't go up until next Saturday, but you've seen the pics now.
If even one of those people changes his mind between now and Saturday, then GWhas lost money. That means "showing things at the last minute" makes more money than "showing things early". When you're a corporation, and you find out that X makes more money, then that is what you are supposed to do.
They have confirmed this with their own sales figures. They printed an official statement of exactly that in their annual financial report, which means unless you believe they have committed the actual crime of defrauding investors (as opposed to merely figuratively robbing us blind), then you have to accept it as fact. You don't have to like it - I'm sure none of us do. But, unfortunately, they are right on this one.
So, I'm sorry, but... you're wrong.
- H8
Hey, I can do anecdotal evidence and hypothetical situations too!
Bobby plays 40k, and is interested in either DA or Chaos. But he doesn't have a clue when anything is coming out, because, let's face it, GW hasn't got the best track record when it comes to telling people anything.
So Bobby, not knowing that the shiny new starter set is coming out, uses the money that would have been put to that to buy something else instead. A few weeks later, when the set is released, Bobby's already spent the money he would have put aside for the starter set, and doesn't buy it.
Looks like GW lost some money right there.
Wouldn't Bobby just buy it later, when he has money?
The thing about an impulse buy is that it has tobe right now. If Bobby is interested in DA, it isn't an impulse buy and will just happen later.
I strongly dislike the Deathwing Assault Cannon termie's pose.
Everything else is good, the Chaos looks excellent. I really hope the entire chaos line is in for this sort of re-imagining. Away with 'spikes on everything make them evil' and in with a return to realm of chaos style aesthetics, more fused armour, more twisted and arcane and weird.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I strongly dislike the Deathwing Assault Cannon termie's pose.
I kind of like his "Come get some" stance. Although that Sergeant is pure beast. I love the sword, the pose, the huge wings on back. Might need a whole squad of that body.
They definately appear to be made like the Space Hulk Terms. Just from the poses and the way the arms sit, it looks just like the SH peg-hole assembly style.
Ok, I'm annoyed I'll miss out on that special Chaplain, hopefully I can get him on a bitz site, but I'm going to have to save up for a couple of these.
It may just be a trick of perspective, but it almost looks like the Lord and Chosen are a bit taller and heftier than normal Marines, and I'll be super-happy if so since it means they'll translate to Artscale with modification minor enough to preserve all that delicious detailing.
EDIT: Also - Dat Hellbrute Simultaneously close enough to the existing Dreadnought that using the older style and FW models isn't an issue, while also being super-awesome. I'm going to agree with previous posters that, if this is what we're in store for with the new CSM codex, I'll be struggling not to get a new army.
1 Dark Angels Company Master
1 Dark Angels Librarian
5 Deathwing Terminators
10 Dark Angel Tactical Marines
3 Ravenwing Bikes
1 Interrogator-Chaplain(only while supplies last of Dark Vengeance Box Set)
1 Chaos Lord
6 Chosen
1 Helbrute
20 Chaos Cultists
48p How To Play Booklet
1 Reference Sheet
168p Rulebook
1 Flamer Template
1 Small Blast Marker
1 Large Blast Marker
1 Dice Pack
2 Range Rulers
So, I'm not sure how to take "only while supplies last of Dark Vengeance Box Set" .....
Are there 2 Editions that cost the same but 1 with and 1 without the Chappy, so buy first and fast to get a chance at it?
Maybe it's... we made 50000 copies for the first run and the Chappy won't be in the second run?
Or... There's 2 sets and you need to specify which?
Funny that this 'leak' comes out during Gencon when all the other companies are showing off their hotness. I like the Chaos Chosen and the Hell Brute. I'm wondering if Chaos will have their marine elements reduced and be 'forced' to take cultist core troops.
notprop wrote:Has anyone done a count from the full book for rules? The rules take up competitively little space from my brief read of the CE version.
~130 pages
Post on Warseer says the booklet is 168 pages:
£65 and includes
1 Dark Angels Company Master
1 Dark Angels Librarian
5 Deathwing Terminators
10 Dark Angel Tactical Marines
3 Ravenwing Bikes
1 Interrogator-Chaplain(only white supplies last of Dark Vengeance Box Set)
1 Chaos Lord
6 Chosen
1 Helbrute
20 Chaos Cultists
48p How To Play Booklet
1 Reference Sheet
168p Rulebook
1 Flamer Template
1 Small Blast Marker
1 Large Blast Marker
1 Dice Pack
2 Range Rulers
Excellent. These models look great. I'm in for one. I was planning on it for the rulebook anyway, but maybe I'll switch to Chaos for the escalation league I'm planning. Chaos is begin to grow. And this time around, it's true.
Dark Angels were my first army and it saddens me to say that I am so disappointed in the Chaplain and Deathwing. The Librarian and Company Master are sweet though. I don't even own or play Chaos but those models are fantastic. Hellbrute and Chosen Lord, +100! The Necromunda gang members are bad assery! Wait, it claims those are Chaos Cultists, must be a typo.
I want to say that's pretty good value but am aware that it could just be over exposure to GW prices?
Still seems a lot to me. Not because you don't get a decent amount of stuff in the box, but as an initial buy-in for new gamers it should be cheaper. £50 is a good threshold for the first game to draw people in.
I want to say that's pretty good value but am aware that it could just be over exposure to GW prices?
Still seems a lot to me. Not because you don't get a decent amount of stuff in the box, but as an initial buy-in for new gamers it should be cheaper. £50 is a good threshold for the first game to draw people in.
I think between $50 - $60 would be good. $105 seems like a bit much to me.
Model-wise I really like those chosen, though the setup for the unit is weird. You have 2 regular guys and a bunch of guys with special melee weapons.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I don't really like the cultists.
The cultists are a missed opportunity IMO, and the amount of straight up clones and mirror clones (the wonders of digital sculpting!) is staggering. I thought the set would be a good source of extra SM bodies, but these are too visibly DA and removing all the bits would take ages, so they do nothing for me. Chosen are great, as is the Dread. I will probably just buy those second-hand. I don't care for the DA chaplain, I already have 10 chaplains.
Buy the kit, swap my chaos for someone else's DA, add a dreadnought and a box of vanilla terminators and I think I can call that done without any other major additions.
Sidstyler wrote:I fething love those Chaos models...they aren't just Space Marines with spikes anymore.
How quickly will the existing range be redone to match though?
Well, they might give them DE treatment - obsolete the entire miniature range in one fell swoop. Given that many existing CSM minis are of that era, it's not impossible.
Hatemonger wrote:
They have confirmed this with their own sales figures. They printed an official statement of exactly that in their annual financial report, which means unless you believe they have committed the actual crime of defrauding investors (as opposed to merely figuratively robbing us blind), then you have to accept it as fact. You don't have to like it - I'm sure none of us do. But, unfortunately, they are right on this one.
- H8
ooooooook?
Well lets talk about the minis... is it me or that cultist looks like bubble headed and chimp sized arms? I need more pics before I make my mind about these ones.
looking at new pics.... cool but not totally sold on cultists...
Fifty wrote:I spy with my little eye an awesome Necromunda gang...
Everyone is saying the same thing...NECROMUNDA!!! Man, I wish GW would take the hint. and support some of their older stuff. People still play it. People still want it.
Noisy_Marine wrote:I think I was hoping for the cultists to look more like soldiers and less like people who escaped from an S & M club.
You're name is Noisy_Marine and you DON'T want guys from a bondage club!? That's what Noise Marines are all about!
They look like Cawdor gangers and have bits of Imperial uniforms all over. I LOVE the champion with the Commissar's coat. Love him.
I don't know what I was expecting from the cultists, but I think it wasn't really met.
The great news is that once the Friday the 13th heads are cut off, I can slap on much better heads and be happier with the product. The alternative weapons make me happy enough for the moment. I can use those to kit bash much better cultists, plus now there are rules to use the home-brewed cultists and traitor guard.
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Fifty wrote:I spy with my little eye an awesome Necromunda gang...
Everyone is saying the same thing...NECROMUNDA!!! Man, I wish GW would take the hint. and support some of their older stuff. People still play it. People still want it.
I wonder if the specialist games section is going to see a jump in activity as people buy Necromunda models to represent cultists. Those models look way better.
I love the new cultists and don't like the Necromunda stuff. The new cultists look versatile and have me looking forward to a separate box of them, whereas the old Necromunda models are metal and look like a collection of 80's rock band rejects.
drbored wrote:I love the new cultists and don't like the Necromunda stuff. The new cultists look versatile and have me looking forward to a separate box of them, whereas the old Necromunda models are metal and look like a collection of 80's rock band rejects.
I thought that's why people turned to chaos? Their rock band dreams fell apart so they sought solace in a chaos cult.
I dunno, I like the disheveled look of ex-guardsman that some of the new models have, but I really don't like their heads. As others have said it looks like a gimp party. But those are easy enough to swap. I will probably be picking up a box or two to mash together with my guard.
I want to say that's pretty good value but am aware that it could just be over exposure to GW prices?
Still seems a lot to me. Not because you don't get a decent amount of stuff in the box, but as an initial buy-in for new gamers it should be cheaper. £50 is a good threshold for the first game to draw people in.
I think between $50 - $60 would be good. $105 seems like a bit much to me.
Model-wise I really like those chosen, though the setup for the unit is weird. You have 2 regular guys and a bunch of guys with special melee weapons.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I don't really like the cultists.
I think that's living in a dream world; AoBR was more expensive than that and nowhere near as nice.
BobtheInquisitor wrote:Wouldn't Bobby just buy it later, when he has money?
The thing about an impulse buy is that it has tobe right now. If Bobby is interested in DA, it isn't an impulse buy and will just happen later.
Well, the other idea is that, if he doesn't know what's coming up, he might look around on the shelves and decide to start a new Necron army, because their new wave was so awesome. Whereas, if he knows that new DA stuff is around the corner, he might hold onto that money and
HOLY HAPPY HORSE TITS THAT HELLBRUTE IS AWESOME!
GIANT CRAZY TENTACLE SKULLMOUTHFACE!!
WOOOO CHAOS!!!
pretre wrote:@Bobtheinquisitor: Give it up! We're talking about the release.
Ahem. Right.
So... those are awesome, and my Word Bearers are super happy.
Speaking of that, is there any indication of what legion/warband/faction the chaos guys are supposed to belong to? I didn't notice any specific livery on their armor. In fact, I notice a distinct lack of it.
CT GAMER wrote:While those cultists will be a good source of bits for kit bashes as is they are sort of meh...
Deathwing look nice.
Chaplain steals the show.
I like the cultists, but I expect that "various leathers" won't translate as well on the table for most people. Hopefully the plastic box of them comes cheaply for a high number as they're great fodder for chaos IG kit bashes.
Anyone else notice that one of the hellbrutes feet has toes?
The more I look at it, the more I think the Chosen and Lord are indeed oversized compared to the regular Marines....but I keep thinking that I'm fooling myself through a combination of seeing what I want to see and perspective issues thanks to the "cacking my pants" pose of the cultists() - what do you chaps think?
ShumaGorath wrote:
I like the cultists, but I expect that "various leathers" won't translate as well on the table for most people. Hopefully the plastic box of them comes cheaply for a high number as they're great fodder for chaos IG kit bashes.
Agreed. I plan to use both as a ready source of conversion fodder for Necromunda and my Martyr brethren IG...
Wowzer those models are INCREDIBLE!!! For me they've Knocked it out the park. Even the subtle varitions of pose in the tactical squad are really nicely done. Day one purchase for me.
The only things i'm not sure about are the Hellbrute's little human head and indeed its name. Also the Chosen Claw dude looks a tiny bit goofy.
CT GAMER wrote:While those cultists will be a good source of bits for kit bashes as is they are sort of meh...
Do you really want Chaos Cultist to be the centerpiece look at unit of your army? Then you would've to play some army lets say that is damned to be lost, but we won't open this can of worms.
For my conversion plans: Some expactations became true some even exceeded. Can't wait till september...
Word is that GW management has ordered all of their employee's and sales relations' thumbs to be photographed to find out who'se hand that is in the picture holding the Chaplain.
Yodhrin wrote:The more I look at it, the more I think the Chosen and Lord are indeed oversized compared to the regular Marines....but I keep thinking that I'm fooling myself through a combination of seeing what I want to see and perspective issues thanks to the "cacking my pants" pose of the cultists() - what do you chaps think?
same i think they are ...would acount for all those true scale rumors..
TBD wrote:Word is that GW management has ordered all of their employee's and sales relations' thumbs to be photographed to find out who'se hand that is in the picture holding the Chaplain.
I would assume you're kidding usually but I am not so sure at the moment. If he/she (probably a he) was smart he would have had a non GW employed female hold it to throw them for a loop.
The tac marines and cultists are pretty good, absolutely wowed by everything else.
100% echo the "glad they're not spiky marines any more"
The characters are really nice all around, and the poses on the termies and bikes are the best they've been, with the possible exception of space hulk.
The real question (for me) is, do I convert the DAs as part of my chapter, or do I bite the bullet and ally them up?
TBD wrote:Word is that GW management has ordered all of their employee's and sales relations' thumbs to be photographed to find out who'se hand that is in the picture holding the Chaplain.
Yes and then those thumbs will be removed so that he can't take blurry pictures any more. Instead they will be more blurry.
Hatemonger wrote:
Speaking of that, is there any indication of what legion/warband/faction the chaos guys are supposed to belong to? I didn't notice any specific livery on their armor. In fact, I notice a distinct lack of it.
- H8
From earlier in this thread:
jifel wrote:This isn't worth making it's own thread, but based on the rumors we have, the BRB basically tells us who the Chaos Marines are...
Ok, so rumors say that the box is called Dark Vengeance, last I checked. Check out the top right of pg. 176 in the big Book.
"Dark Vengeance: The Dark Angels 5th Company battles elements of the Crimson Slaughter for control of the Hellfire Stone. The Nephilim sector trembles as the hated foes clash..."
Ok, so if the Dark Vengeance rumor is true, then it seems clear that the "Crimson Slaughter" will be the warband in the new box. After all, Chaos is pretty much guarenteed, but who is still up for guesses.
So, who are these guys? Well, check out p. 299 in the BRB... We get a picture of a basic Bolter Marine from the Crimson Slaughter. Red armor with Gold Trim, nothing extra ordinary amongst the various chaos armies, but hey, its something to off of right?
I didn't make this it's own thread, as I'm sure someone else has seen this. However, I hadnt heard it yet, so I figured I might as well put it up!
Even though I wanted to Kitbash the DA to match my marine force, after seeing the pics I think a DA allied force is warranted. I was just going to buy the models of eBay but now. I'm about to go to my flags to preorder a copy.
Yodhrin wrote:The more I look at it, the more I think the Chosen and Lord are indeed oversized compared to the regular Marines....but I keep thinking that I'm fooling myself through a combination of seeing what I want to see and perspective issues thanks to the "cacking my pants" pose of the cultists() - what do you chaps think?
If you measure on the screen the height ratio to the base, they definitely seem taller than those tac marines. Also they seem to have completely redesigned backpacks as well. Don't seem fully true-scale, but certainly oversized and easily converted to truescale.
judging from the pic, they measure about 40 mm high to the backpack... which is more than enough to represent an 8 ft tall space marine.
More excited by these than I thought I'd be, since I've been completely and wholly underwhelmed by 6th edition. Might just redo my deathwing with those models if I can get em cheap enough 2nd hand, I'll have to see how easy the sergeant shoulder wings are to remove. Super surprised they went so very, very DA with them, makes them impossible to use as anything but DA or a successor. Reminds me of the BA terminators from Space Hulk, both in that they have such dynamic posing and because of the superb detail they managed to shove into the plastics. Chaos are pretty cool too, I like the cultists more than most people seem to and the chosen are simply fantastic. They do appear to be larger than normal, but a quick side-by-side in photoshop (after resizing the base to be equal) showed that it's just the poses and the spikes, they're the same size as the DA tacticals.
Anybody know why the Chaplain is marked limited edition, and what he will be available from? He appears to be listed on the right of the white dwarf scan (it's cut off), but wouldn't ALL of these figs be limited edition and exclusive to the box set? Or do they plan on releasing the rest of these as seperate boxes, unlike the figs in past starters?
Kalamadea wrote:
Anybody know why the Chaplain is marked limited edition, and what he will be available from? He appears to be listed on the right of the white dwarf scan (it's cut off), but wouldn't ALL of these figs be limited edition and exclusive to the box set? Or do they plan on releasing the rest of these as seperate boxes, unlike the figs in past starters?
I guess it's just a cynical marketing ploy. AIUI, they will be selling first "limited edition boxes" with the Chaplain, and then "regular" version once the "limited" runs out. So what will happen is that people who otherwise might be on the fence will rush to buy the limited edition to get the Chaplain.
BobtheInquisitor wrote:Wouldn't Bobby just buy it later, when he has money?
Given that their current marketing model is built around the idea that if you see something more than 5 minutes before you are able to hand over cash for it you'll lose interest... GW certainly don't seem to think so, no.
On the set... Colour me impressed with these. For starter set plastics, they're damn impressive. GW showed what was possible with clip-together plastics with the Space Hulk release... it's nice to see that finally carry over into the core range.
Very much digging that Dreadnought. Bodes well for the Chaos re-do...
Backfire wrote:I guess it's just a cynical marketing ploy. AIUI, they will be selling first "limited edition boxes" with the Chaplain, and then "regular" version once the "limited" runs out. So what will happen is that people who otherwise might be on the fence will rush to buy the limited edition to get the Chaplain.
Good to know. Thankfully I'm really not too impressed with the fig, it's too busy and the front tabard looks really off but would have probably used it anyways since why not? With all the kickstarters and warmachine projects and infinity and mantic/defiance games stuff coming out I've got too many other things on my table to be picking these up day one, and again I'll probably wait till they start showing up on the ebay bitz sellers and skipping the chaplain entirely then. GWs marketing ploy of showing off stuff only a few days ahead of time may work with the kiddies, but it fails completely when my funds are already devoted to other figs I like just as much for games I'll probably play more. There's just too much other good stuff on the market to give 40k any kind of priority anymore. Sad to see the game relegated to "maybe when I get around to it" status.
But again, the rest looks pretty top notch as you would expect from GW plastics in recent years. Even the restic can't compete with that kind of detail, and I can actually use my plastic glue on these! How novel!
Right, I'm thinking that the Hellbrute would make an excellent addition to my Death-Guard army and the rest of the Chaos stuff will be painted up as allied Word Bearers. I'm glad that Chaos are getting the models they deserve.
Grey Templar wrote:I wonder if the Hellbrute is Undivided and can be given marks or if its a Khorne thing only.
I'm going to say undivided, simply because of the lack of khorne iconography on the model. now that's not to say the new rule book won't allow us to mark them if we want.
OverwatchCNC wrote:I want to know if the DW will be character units like SW termies and Paladins are...
Most people think that the current way that characters work is an unintended consequence of the table used in the back of the rulebook and will be FAQ'd. This was acknowledged by design staff in interviews.
I started the game at the beginning of 3rd edition. On the plus side, that starter came with a full-sized rulebook. But only a handful of minis on each side. Something like 10 marines, a land speeder and 20 dark eldar. No variety.
I was blown away by the AoBR box. Tons of models, high quality sculpts, good variety. Whole starter armies.
And now Dark Vengeance is shaping up to improve upon the starter box once again! I just hope these awesomely detailed models don't make my older Chaos look too silly by comparison!
Grey Templar wrote:I wonder if the Hellbrute is Undivided and can be given marks or if its a Khorne thing only.
Yet another giant walker sprung from nowhere that ensures the Dreadnought's continued slide into obscurity.
The dreadnoughts used to be the gak when it came to walkers: cool fluff, big stompy heroes, revered, etc. Now they are gun platforms for quad autocannons and little more...
Starter set has the following doubles:
Deathwing Terminatir with bolter and power fist (2x)
Ravenwing Biker (same body, two sets of arms)
Chosen with Boltgun (2x)
At least 3 Space Marines with boltgun (2x each)
Heavy Weapon Cultist (one body, 2 different sets of arms)
4 Cultists with autoguns (2 each, 2 of them just mirrored with minor differences)
4 Cultists with autopistols (2 each, 2 of them just mirrored with minor differences)
And for the record: Hastings was the first to get the contents of the starter box right, about 7 months before the release (29th January). Including details like Space Marines having sculpted iconography.
Blood of Kittens was less specific, but what they said was also correct (March 2011):
"By the end of the next Olympics we will treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now that is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time ever neither Xenos, the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman, or the Sledgehammer of the Emperor will be chosen to fill the starter box.
What that means well all of us will have to wait to find out…
Kroothawk wrote:Heavy Weapon Cultist (one body, 2 different sets of arms)
4 Cultists with autoguns (2 each, 2 of them just mirrored with minor differences)
4 Cultists with autopistols (2 each, 2 of them just mirrored with minor differences)
Kroothawk wrote:Heavy Weapon Cultist (one body, 2 different sets of arms)
4 Cultists with autoguns (2 each, 2 of them just mirrored with minor differences)
4 Cultists with autopistols (2 each, 2 of them just mirrored with minor differences)
The pictures kinda indicate 20 Cultists. Not 9.
You are joking, right?
4 cultist doubles with autoguns -> 8 plus heavy plus boss
4 cultist doubles with autopistols -> plus heavy plus boss (both heavies sharing the same body)
Makes 20 cultists.
Not a fan of the chaplain. On the other hand Ravenwing is awesome and the terminators are decent. Chaos is now CHAOS! Awesome looking minis. In a whole perspective really good set
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Any word/thought if we'll get a multi part cult kit?
it's almost a guarantee. Unless GW decides to stick us with DV cultists, I expect to see a ~10 man box with options for CCW + autopistol or Autoguns, plus options for some special weapons ( flamers, heavy stubbers.) and a champion with options.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:Any word/thought if we'll get a multi part cult kit?
I all but garuntee it.
Although simply having IG kits as the mainstream option wouldn't be the end of the world.
a cultist conversion pack wouldn't be out of the question either i guess.
Will probably convert the space marines to Space Wolves, The Cultists to penal/conscripts and the rest can go to my bro inlaw who is going to start up a chaos army.
KalashnikovMarine wrote:Heh is it bad I'm already planning out paints for this? For example the Chaplain's torches with a nice blue flame.
nope, alrady working up some schemes for the cultists. I know that champion cultist with the shotgun with be wearing a commissar jacket. I 'likely do dark grey/ black and crimson as these will be for my Word Bearers.
And for the record: Hastings was the first to get the contents of the starter box right, about 7 months before the release (29th January). Including details like Space Marines having sculpted iconography.
Not that there should have been any doubt Hastings is reliable, but that's about as concrete solid reliable as you can ask, especially in GW's Dark Age of Secrecy.
Noisy_Marine wrote:$105
Really digging that Hell Brute. Shouldn't be hard to Nurgle that guy up at all. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an upgrade to a standard dread giving it the Daemon 5++ save, and other special rules. I can't see them dropping the dreadnought for this unless the direction of the new codex is to really emphasize the warped nature of Chaos marines. Although judging by the looks of the Chaos stuff here that might not be an unrealistic assumption actually.
It's clearly a warped Dreadnought though, it's not some entirely new thing like the Defiler was back in the day. There's no reason you couldn't use existing Dreads as Hellbrutes, barring specific gear selection restrictions of course.
plastictrees wrote:It's clearly a warped Dreadnought though, it's not some entirely new thing like the Defiler was back in the day. There's no reason you couldn't use existing Dreads as Hellbrutes, barring specific gear selection restrictions of course.
yeah, but it is a completely different unit. Definitly a Monstrous Creature.
plastictrees wrote:It's clearly a warped Dreadnought though, it's not some entirely new thing like the Defiler was back in the day. There's no reason you couldn't use existing Dreads as Hellbrutes, barring specific gear selection restrictions of course.
yeah, but it is a completely different unit. Definitly a Monstrous Creature.
Sure. My point being if Dreads are gone people aren't left with models they can't use for anything.
Yeah the hellbrute defied all my expectations. SO excited to nurgle one of these up. Fantastic. I was expecting lots of spikes and some weak khorn icons or somesuch smeared all over it but as a nurgle conversion it will be pimp.
Cultists say it all if you ask me. THey are fantastic stuff. I could care less about the loyalist scum though they might be conversion bait....
I very much look forward to adding these models to my army in honor of Slaanesh.
I am rather impressed with all of the Chaos in the starter, all of it. From the Hellbrute to the Cultists, I look forward to playing with these in my army.
My dilemma is that I am now debating stripping my entire army to redo their paint scheme.
Keeping them Slaanesh, but I want to give both old and new a paint job that will do them justice.
Sweet only the librarian and the sergeant have their helmets off. I can forgive the Libby since he is sweet looking and the sergeant looks like he can be made to have a helmet easy.
Man, these models are stinkin' hawt. Sadly, I don't platy 40k, so I can justify the cost. Still, think I'm gonna do a starter set commission special when it comes out just, so I can paint theses beauties!
I like what I see, though I don't think the Chaplain is nearly impressive enough to make me rush out and buy the "Limited Edition" version. The Librarian is far, far cooler. Enough that even if I don't ever get the box, I will be getting one from a bitz service for my Deathwatch squad.
I can definitely the viability of painting those Deathwing and Tac marines' armor black to be fallen to make the box into a giant Chaos Battleforce, though. I'd definitely put together one of the current multi-part robed Dark Angel marines to be a unique Cypher, too.
$105US is a helluva lot of money after getting SedWars and now eye-ing a Crusader for a Knight titan model, but especially if making an entire Chaos force out of the contents, a huge freaking deal compared to the existing Battleforce boxes.
I think the Hellbrute is the new Dreadnought.
Wouldn't bother me. Helps to further differentiate Chaos from "Imperial with spikes". The only stupid choice is the multi-melta. It's a low-class weapon for a dreadnought anyway, but for use against the Dark Angels in this box set? Really? More like plasma cannon or twin-linked heavy bolters.
plastictrees wrote:It's clearly a warped Dreadnought though, it's not some entirely new thing like the Defiler was back in the day. There's no reason you couldn't use existing Dreads as Hellbrutes, barring specific gear selection restrictions of course.
Right, I get that, and I don't think it would be a big deal either way. It just seems unlikely that they would remove such an iconic unit(if only in name) from Chaos, which I why I'm guessing it's a daemonically possessed dreadnought essentially, but the standard option will be available as well. If not, anyone can still use the old dreadnought models as Hell Brutes, as you said.
Fafnir wrote:Vaginas. EVERYWHERE.
Err...I beg to differ, I guess? Nothing looks overtly like a vagina to me.
sennacherib wrote:Yeah the hellbrute defied all my expectations. SO excited to nurgle one of these up. Fantastic. I was expecting lots of spikes and some weak khorn icons or somesuch smeared all over it but as a nurgle conversion it will be pimp.
Cultists say it all if you ask me. THey are fantastic stuff. I could care less about the loyalist scum though they might be conversion bait....
Yeah, it was quite the surprise for me as well. Gotta say I was most looking forward to the cultists from the early rumors, but they are the ones I'm least excited about now. They will probably end up as a Necromunda gang for me.
Why bother converting the loyalists? Just trade them off for another set of Chaos. It's gonna be a trading frenzy come release week. Hell, I've already got a tentative trade lined up from earlier in the thread.
Kalamadea wrote:
Anybody know why the Chaplain is marked limited edition, and what he will be available from? He appears to be listed on the right of the white dwarf scan (it's cut off), but wouldn't ALL of these figs be limited edition and exclusive to the box set? Or do they plan on releasing the rest of these as seperate boxes, unlike the figs in past starters?
I guess it's just a cynical marketing ploy. AIUI, they will be selling first "limited edition boxes" with the Chaplain, and then "regular" version once the "limited" runs out. So what will happen is that people who otherwise might be on the fence will rush to buy the limited edition to get the Chaplain.
I hope its as you say. Would be nice to buy with a discount as ill be getting at least 2 right off the bat.
plastictrees wrote:It's clearly a warped Dreadnought though, it's not some entirely new thing like the Defiler was back in the day. There's no reason you couldn't use existing Dreads as Hellbrutes, barring specific gear selection restrictions of course.
Or convert existing dreads to Hellbrutes. Looks like it might be fun to add muscled thighs and shoulders and other fleshy bits (and toes!)
I just realized something: true general lack of the much-scorned spiky bits! These CSM do NOT look like Liyalists with spikes and extra skulls. Bodes well for the CSM revamp to come.
And, with the recent Daemon releases, and word of WoC in the WHFB release pipeline, it has never been a better time to turn to the ruinous powers!
catharsix wrote:I just realized something: true general lack of the much-scorned spiky bits! These CSM do NOT look like Liyalists with spikes and extra skulls. Bodes well for the CSM revamp to come.
The big problem is there is a massive plastic range there to revamp. I can't see it happening. With new plastic kits to add, I can't see them replacing old things like the current Chaos marines, Terminators or Berzerkers. So you'll have a fairly divided range - old style spikey loyalists, and new style actual chaos Marines.
Something tells me a great deal of the old line will still be used; the new stuff however is probably geared towards more fun with mutations and specific Gods than ever before.
My only real complaint is I can't find anyone who wants to split the box and take the Dark Angels half. Those Chaos dudes would be an amazing start to my Tzeentch themed force I want to do.
-Loki- wrote:My only real complaint is I can't find anyone who wants to split the box and take the Dark Angels half. Those Chaos dudes would be an amazing start to my Tzeentch themed force I want to do.
Yes, Chaos buyers will outnumber DA buyers by at least 5 to 1. There are lot more Chaos players, and almost everything in the DA set already exists in one form or another, or can be made using excellent DA upgrade sprues. Chaos stuff is much more unique.
I'll likely ebay off the Chaos bits that I dont use for conversions if I cant sell them to my brother. The DA components are exactly what I need to bring my marines to a nice 1500-2000 point force that might actually be effective. Plus I like the new models and mini rulebook.
Ok, those are fairly amazing and really going to test my nerve to not buy the starter set, but on a slight tangent, why have GW not considered releasing the two halves of AOBR?
Call them a reinforcement squad or something and charge £30 or so as a mini battle force. It seems a shame to let the tools just sit on the shelf...
Tod wrote:Do you think the hellbrute will have stats like a dreadnought or a dreadknight?
Here you go:
Hellbrute
120pts base
Type: Walker
Rules: Rampage
Armour: F12 S12 R10
WS4 BS4 S6 I4
Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter); Because it is a Walker, it does not strike at I1.
Multi-Melta can be swapped for
Butcher Cannon, or
Twin Reaper Autocannons, or
Twin-linked Lascannon, or
Twin-linked Heavy Flamer.
Combi-Bolter can be swapped for Meltagun or Heavy Flamer.
Mark of Khorne: Rage USR Mark of Nurgle: At the beginning of the turn, a D6 result of 5+ restores a Hull Point, OR can repair a immobilised / weapon destroyed.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic Scream (offensive & defensive grenades)
Mark of Tzeench: Flame weapons (if equipped) gain +1 strength and -1 AP (AP4 becomes AP3, etc)
Those really are rather swank. My friend, who plays Night Lords, is not so ecstatic. They're great models, but won't be a good fit for his army. Me? I'm sorely tempted to paint them up as Astral Claws. No, not Red Corsairs. Astral Claws. I reckon they could rock that look rather well. The cultists as Tyrant Guard dregs would be a nice fit.
But for what it's worth, as nice as those models are, and they truly are, I'm kind of disappointed the box doesn't have the same amount of potential as Black Reach. Black Reach could run the gamut of Space Marines (Traitors and Renegades included, if you put the work in!) and the Orks made collecting Orks both cheap and easy, since I'd seen people attempt everything and anything with the contents of that box.
Still, they're great models for what they are. I'm certainly tempted by them.
Does anyone else think these Marines (Chaos and Loyalist) look more stockier than normal. . . Like maybe. . . . just maybe. . . in scale?? At least compared to the Cultists
Well I for one love every model that I have seen in these pics and I have to have the box set and yes I will spend the extra dough for the Limited Ed just to get my hands on that Chaplain model! Cannot wait! Might have to get two of these!
Tod wrote:Do you think the hellbrute will have stats like a dreadnought or a dreadknight?
Here you go:
Hellbrute
120pts base
Type: Walker
Rules: Rampage
Armour: F12 S12 R10
WS4 BS4 S6 I4
Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter); Because it is a Walker, it does not strike at I1.
Multi-Melta can be swapped for
Butcher Cannon, or
Twin Reaper Autocannons, or
Twin-linked Lascannon, or
Twin-linked Heavy Flamer.
Combi-Bolter can be swapped for Meltagun or Heavy Flamer.
Mark of Khorne: Rage USR Mark of Nurgle: At the beginning of the turn, a D6 result of 5+ restores a Hull Point, OR can repair a immobilised / weapon destroyed.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic Scream (offensive & defensive grenades)
Mark of Tzeench: Flame weapons (if equipped) gain +1 strength and -1 AP (AP4 becomes AP3, etc)
Interesting...
I am, thankfully, underwhelmed by these models, though. My wallet is safe...
Some of the DA stuff is lush, normal marines look like normal marines though really.
The chaos, however, is gorgeous... Finally Chaos matches the amazing artwork and the more extreme black library fluff.
All of the models can be used for my Word Bearers so I am a happy camper. Cannot wait. Seriously excited about the new chaos dex as well now . If the model 'feel' continues though this the army will look how I imagine a chaos army should look.
Ok, I really think I'll buy this box. I don't play any of the armies but the minis are so great... It kinda worries me, because I did the same with WFB Island of Blood and I ended making a small Skaven army. I don't want another army LOL
=/ Seems like the Hellbrute's just a Contemptor on the cheap (even the same wargear....). I mean I'll still look out for it, but its rules are hardly original as they stand now (though I guess they have to be simple for the kids and what not...).
Tod wrote:Do you think the hellbrute will have stats like a dreadnought or a dreadknight?
Here you go:
Hellbrute
120pts base
Type: Walker
Rules: Rampage
Armour: F12 S12 R10
WS4 BS4 S6 I4
Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter); Because it is a Walker, it does not strike at I1.
Multi-Melta can be swapped for
Butcher Cannon, or
Twin Reaper Autocannons, or
Twin-linked Lascannon, or
Twin-linked Heavy Flamer.
Combi-Bolter can be swapped for Meltagun or Heavy Flamer.
Mark of Khorne: Rage USR Mark of Nurgle: At the beginning of the turn, a D6 result of 5+ restores a Hull Point, OR can repair a immobilised / weapon destroyed.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic Scream (offensive & defensive grenades)
Mark of Tzeench: Flame weapons (if equipped) gain +1 strength and -1 AP (AP4 becomes AP3, etc)
Slightly surprised at the fact that the DA have sculpted pads, not that I am complaining, it just seems to limit the choices of someone who is starting out in the hobby.
The hellbrute has to be my favorite model in the set by far. Such incredible detail and posing. More stuff like that and I have to restrain starting a chaos army! (I know, bandwagon jumper, it's the way I roll!)
Dravenguild wrote:No plasma cannon option to upgrade to? Damn, I took the trouble of converting a few to have on my two dreads.
There is apparently about 3 dreads in the new book, according to rumors. Bet one will match the options of the old dread at least. Or be split across all 3 maybe.
A Nurgle Hellbrute that basically regenerates? I'm loving this more and more. I might even keep the Dark Angels and just chaosify them somehow. (Battle damage, get rid of the wings and other DA imagery.) Should be easy enough.
The more I look at the models the more I only want the Hellbrute, not really interested in DA and I like the chaos chosen but it just looks too fussy/crowded to me which would make it hard to make them Nurgle The cultists are awesome as well though.
To get that right warpcrafter I think a new backpack for the marines would make a big difference and a spare heads from the chaos space marine sprue. Note you will probably have the cut or shave off the SMs head as it will most likely be attached to the body on the sprue.
Apart from that you may want the armour to look more ornate and "bony" by the looks of the new CSMs so this will most likely require god like green stuff skills if you have them. If not simply a new chaos like paint job maybe enough to make the difference.
Oh and file off the shoulder DA symbols replace with chaos ones.
ceorron wrote:To get that right warpcrafter I think a new backpack for the marines would make a big difference and a spare heads from the chaos space marine sprue. Note you will probably have the cut or shave off the SMs head as it will most likely be attached to the body on the sprue.
Apart from that you may want the armour to look more ornate and "bony" by the looks of the new CSMs so this will most likely require god like green stuff skills if you have them. If not simply a new chaos like paint job maybe enough to make the difference.
Oh and file off the shoulder DA symbols replace with chaos ones.
Maybe go for some of the Fallen Angel backpacks? They can easily be Fallen Dark Angels...
Just Dave wrote:'Tides, I think you are the only other person I've seen that's underwhelmed by the models.
I'm not a fan either, of the Chaos in particular, although much of the Dark Angel stuff is good.
You can add me to that list too.
These models are very nice, but as was noted earlier, they are VERY specific - there isn't as much 'potential' in them as there perhaps should be in a starter set.
Plus, the highly anticipated cultist models? They turned out more than a little goofy looking.
The only thing I want from this is the mini rulebook.
Just Dave wrote:'Tides, I think you are the only other person I've seen that's underwhelmed by the models.
I'm not a fan either, of the Chaos in particular, although much of the Dark Angel stuff is good.
You can add me to that list too.
These models are very nice, but as was noted earlier, they are VERY specific - there isn't as much 'potential' in them as there perhaps should be in a starter set.
Plus, the highly anticipated cultist models? They turned out more than a little goofy looking.
The only thing I want from this is the mini rulebook.
So, my wallet is safe too!
I do agree with the models looking very specific, the only thing from that box which would fit into my Death-Guard army is the Hellbrute and possibly the cultists if I mixed in zombie parts.
Just Dave wrote:'Tides, I think you are the only other person I've seen that's underwhelmed by the models.
I'm not a fan either, of the Chaos in particular, although much of the Dark Angel stuff is good.
You can add me to that list too.
These models are very nice, but as was noted earlier, they are VERY specific - there isn't as much 'potential' in them as there perhaps should be in a starter set.
Plus, the highly anticipated cultist models? They turned out more than a little goofy looking.
The only thing I want from this is the mini rulebook.
So, my wallet is safe too!
I do agree with the models looking very specific, the only thing from that box which would fit into my Death-Guard army is the Hellbrute and possibly the cultists if I mixed in zombie parts.
Well, you can always Nurglefy the Cultists and Chosen. Nurgle is very forgiving to novice converters. Greenstuff is your friend.
Just Dave wrote:'Tides, I think you are the only other person I've seen that's underwhelmed by the models.
I'm not a fan either, of the Chaos in particular, although much of the Dark Angel stuff is good.
You can add me to that list too.
These models are very nice, but as was noted earlier, they are VERY specific - there isn't as much 'potential' in them as there perhaps should be in a starter set.
Plus, the highly anticipated cultist models? They turned out more than a little goofy looking.
The only thing I want from this is the mini rulebook.
So, my wallet is safe too!
I do agree with the models looking very specific, the only thing from that box which would fit into my Death-Guard army is the Hellbrute and possibly the cultists if I mixed in zombie parts.
Well, you can always Nurglefy the Cultists and Chosen. Nurgle is very forgiving to novice converters. Greenstuff is your friend.
I'm not sure... as I mentioned in a post above, I feel that the Chosen are way too crowded already, and not many suitable flat areas to work on. Actually looking back on them, they do look kinda warped already... maybe a nurgle paint job would be enough.
Wow, I wasn't expecting the Chaos Models to be that good! With that level of detail on them I almost would hate to think how boring Black Legion would be.
Just Dave wrote:I'm not a fan either, of the Chaos in particular, although much of the Dark Angel stuff is good.
Hater!
I do believe I see what you did there.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Alpharius wrote:You can add me to that list too.
What is it about them you don't like (other than them being 'specific'). What makes the Cultists 'goofy'.
I'll (try to) take this...
Personally, I don't like any of the close combat Cultists, minus the Champion. I find their poses look 'wonky' and weapons oversized. I dislike the helmets on the autogun cultists and whilst they're cultist-y, I'm not a fan of the clothing (although I can't imagine the paint job helps with that) and I think a lot of it is more suited for WHFB.
However, I do really like the Heavy Weapon fellas and the autogun cultists with the hoods (the 3rd and 4th on top row, 1st and 2nd on bottom).
I'll still be going halves on the box and keeping the Dark Angels though, but I'll have to trim some of the power swords - I don't like how many are larger at the top of the blade...
Wyrmalla wrote:=/ Seems like the Hellbrute's just a Contemptor on the cheap (even the same wargear....). I mean I'll still look out for it, but its rules are hardly original as they stand now (though I guess they have to be simple for the kids and what not...).
It is essentially a possessed Dreadnought. A dreadnought and a contemptor are roughly the same thing, the contemptor being slightly larger, so not really surprising they would still share common weapon options. Not sure what additional new options you were expecting, Chaos has had the same general weaponry for most of their existence. The butcher cannon is new, but I'm glad they're not just making up new weapons for the hell of it.
I'm more or less happy with the rules. I wish it had a daemon 5++ save, though. Still, I think I'll have a trio of these for my Death Guard. Hopefully there will be a actual kit as well with the other weapon options.
Damn, I just realized with these in Elite, you could have 3 w/ Butcher cannons, and several Obliterator squads and autocannon Havocs(which are apparently dirt cheap) in Heavy Support. Chaos will have the potential to be a very shooty army.
I agree many of the cultists aren't that good, they look like those Necromunda hive gang models. Which is fine and dandy to a degree, but I think cultists should a bit more like damned children of Chaos and less like street filth.
Harriticus wrote: I agree many of the cultists aren't that good, they look like those Necromunda hive gang models. Which is fine and dandy to a degree, but I think cultists should a bit more like damned children of Chaos and less like street filth.
The hellbrute looks great though.
Gonna have to agree though, I really like the cultists whom are geared up for long range. The ones whom are geared up for close combat just look rather silly; the Hellbrute is awesome!
Harriticus wrote: I agree many of the cultists aren't that good, they look like those Necromunda hive gang models. Which is fine and dandy to a degree, but I think cultists should a bit more like damned children of Chaos and less like street filth.
The hellbrute looks great though.
Gonna have to agree though, I really like the cultists whom are geared up for long range. The ones whom are geared up for close combat just look rather silly; the Hellbrute is awesome!
More importantly, check out Lego's lovely new update in action!
Meh. I think the Cultists are great. They're simply perfect for Necromunda, will make great cannon fodder for my Chaos and LatD armies, and are simply amazing for Dark Heresy. No longer will my Necromunda models always act as Cultists!!!
Just Dave wrote: More importantly, check out Lego's lovely new update in action!
To me it looks as though GW has stepped up on their modeling for this box sex. From the pictures I don't see how any of these models could possibly be 2 piece like most of the space marines from AOBR. My only guess is that these are going to be multi part models which makes me even more excited to get my hands on the Chaos stuff because that means it will be easier for conversions.
Of the Codex models? Probably the Apostle, Iron Father and whatever reissues they do of existing special chars. If Kharn is new he'll be Finecost as well.
Of the Codex models? Probably the Apostle, Iron Father and whatever reissues they do of existing special chars. If Kharn is new he'll be Finecost as well.
Thanks, that's good to know. I got a little worried since on one of the scans two of the chosen look exactly the same.
Really? The guy in the top right looks identical to the guy in the bottom middle, even after a close examination. Hopefully it doesn't mean anything, it would be a shame to have these guys be in finecast. But that would be first for a starter set or battleforce right? Those have always been plastic only I think.
Why are you thinking they would be in finecast because they are repeat sculpts? Makes no sense. Plus that would mean all the identical tac marines and cultists would be in finecast.
There is absolutely no chance that any of those models would be Finecast. They plan to sell a LOT of these boxes, which means it's easier and cheaper to make them all-plastic.
I like the Cultists. The ones with the pistols and CCWs kind of have that older 'Necromunda' look so I think they will fit in well with some of my Cawdors, Scavvies and old Chaos Cultists.
Time to go get my Lost and the Damned out of storage. Soon...
Synister_Intent wrote: To me it looks as though GW has stepped up on their modeling for this box sex. From the pictures I don't see how any of these models could possibly be 2 piece like most of the space marines from AOBR. My only guess is that these are going to be multi part models which makes me even more excited to get my hands on the Chaos stuff because that means it will be easier for conversions.
I doubt it, they all look like they will be snap tight like AoBR.... I mean, come on now, some of the best models in GW's line come from space hulk which is entirely single piece or two piece models. I am sure they will be limited in assembly to make it a good starter for entry level players.
Love the chaos, with only two small exceptions: Why the second identical bolter guy? 5 unique models and then someone got lazy?
Also, with the Cultists - GORGEOUS - but so sad that we have 4 autogun models, 4 pistol/ccw and then a single "heavy" and "leader" for each sprue. I'd have loved it if they at least had ten bodies that could be either rifle or pistol. Then we could create some more combinations with the figures.
Scottywan82 wrote: Love the chaos, with only two small exceptions: Why the second identical bolter guy? 5 unique models and then someone got lazy?
Also, with the Cultists - GORGEOUS - but so sad that we have 4 autogun models, 4 pistol/ccw and then a single "heavy" and "leader" for each sprue. I'd have loved it if they at least had ten bodies that could be either rifle or pistol. Then we could create some more combinations with the figures.
This is an AOBR esque starter set. Be glad they aren't holding the guns to their chests and that they have options at all.
Hatemonger wrote:
Speaking of that, is there any indication of what legion/warband/faction the chaos guys are supposed to belong to? I didn't notice any specific livery on their armor. In fact, I notice a distinct lack of it.
- H8
From earlier in this thread:
jifel wrote:This isn't worth making it's own thread, but based on the rumors we have, the BRB basically tells us who the Chaos Marines are...
Ok, so rumors say that the box is called Dark Vengeance, last I checked. Check out the top right of pg. 176 in the big Book.
"Dark Vengeance: The Dark Angels 5th Company battles elements of the Crimson Slaughter for control of the Hellfire Stone. The Nephilim sector trembles as the hated foes clash..."
Ok, so if the Dark Vengeance rumor is true, then it seems clear that the "Crimson Slaughter" will be the warband in the new box. After all, Chaos is pretty much guarenteed, but who is still up for guesses.
So, who are these guys? Well, check out p. 299 in the BRB... We get a picture of a basic Bolter Marine from the Crimson Slaughter. Red armor with Gold Trim, nothing extra ordinary amongst the various chaos armies, but hey, its something to off of right?
I didn't make this it's own thread, as I'm sure someone else has seen this. However, I hadnt heard it yet, so I figured I might as well put it up!
Thanks, Tim. What good is the internet if you can't rely on someone else doing work for you, eh?
You'll probably appreciate this too:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
mjl7atlas wrote:Do the Chaos Marine Helms seem to have a DE Incubi look to them?
I'm actually quite shocked that they released Chapter specific models. What made the last boxed set so successful was the fact that the Marines in it could be anybody, not just Ultramarines...
Veteran Sergeant wrote: I'm actually quite shocked that they released Chapter specific models. What made the last boxed set so successful was the fact that the Marines in it could be anybody, not just Ultramarines...
then again perhaps they don't actually want everyone and his sister buying cheap starter marines for their armies; the option being there gives those on a tight budget a chance but they'll want the much higher profits on for example the tac squad box to keep flowing in as much as they can...
An official email (posted by Shamutanti over at Warseer) that explains a few things:
asimo77 wrote:Thanks, that's good to know. I got a little worried since on one of the scans two of the chosen look exactly the same.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Not exactly. Different helmets!
Kroothawk wrote:Starter set has the following doubles:
Deathwing Terminatir with bolter and power fist (2x)
Ravenwing Biker (same body, two sets of arms)
Chosen with Boltgun (2x)
At least 3 Space Marines with boltgun (2x each)
Heavy Weapon Cultist (one body, 2 different sets of arms)
4 Cultists with autoguns (2 each, 2 of them just mirrored with minor differences)
4 Cultists with autopistols (2 each, 2 of them just mirrored with minor differences)
Ultrafool wrote: The irony? A secret "lets keep this a secret" email leaked for everyone to see. I love it.
It was bound to happen! I always like when this happens to GW. Don't get me wrong I love 40k but their stance on rumor squashing and zero build up to things through actual marketing drives me nuts.
plastictrees wrote: I still don't entirely believe that the "no leaks guys! Oh no, look at all these leaks!" approach isn't intentional, but anyway.
They don't mean legally pursue either, they're going to chase those fethers through the streets.
And spank them hard with the new starter plastic rulers! That will teach them a lesson!
I continue to wonder just how many of those stupid things they have left fro the 3rd ed starter that they are still including them in the starter boxes 3 editions later...
I really like the look of these, though its a pity there is so much DA iconography, i would have liked to use them as mantis warriors, then again, i guess i can start some DA allies instead.
Compel wrote: They've been around way longer than 3rd...
I got blue ones in my copy of Epic 40k, red ones in my copy of 2nd edition of 40k and 5th edition of fantasy.
I thought they came out with 3rd. Well, I guess it is just a case of tradition at this point...
Do people use them for anything? I can't recall them being used in any game I've played in the past 6 months.
When demoing the game I use them from time to time, plus at the FLGS the 20 or so tape measures we have in a pile lying around sometime get misplaced so the whippy sticks get busted out here to there. However the biggest feature of them is to pretend your Wolverine' and claw at things.
Kroothawk wrote: An official email (posted by Shamutanti over at Warseer) that explains a few things:
This message will self-destruct in 5, 4,3...
They should have sent a non disclosure form for the email telling everyone about the forthcoming non disclosure pack. I also notice that there is no cyanide pill in the secret pack; schoolboy error that. They could be captured but Mantic agents and force to disclose secret hush hush stuff. The next thing you know they will be copying new GW games not just long OOP one.
That email made me smile at the thought that they might send it to just the one store they suspect of leaking information as a last ditch attempt to see if it was the source of the leak.
Evil masterminds that they are ofcourse that would only come with much moustache twirling.
Back on to serious topics I'm now twitching waiting to throw money at GW just for a starter set.
Compel wrote: They've been around way longer than 3rd...
I got blue ones in my copy of Epic 40k, red ones in my copy of 2nd edition of 40k and 5th edition of fantasy.
I thought they came out with 3rd. Well, I guess it is just a case of tradition at this point...
Do people use them for anything? I can't recall them being used in any game I've played in the past 6 months.
They first appeared in the original Necromunda boxed game which came out when 40k was in it's second edition. 40k Second ed came out in 1993, Necromunda came out in 1995 and 40k third ed came out 1998.
I love the marine and termie models and I would had jumped on this box like there's no tomorrow (and resell the Chaos stuff) but with the heavy DA icons all around there's just no way...Shame.
No one uses the sticks, because they are not accurate.. take the ones you have and measure them up to a tape measure, 1inch is not 1inch on those sticks.. some times they are off as much as a 1/2 inch in either direction.
As for the Hellbrute, it looks very aesthetically similar to a dreadnought, especially the old old ones, which looked very much like a living creature, than a machine.
Just Dave wrote: 'Tides, I think you are the only other person I've seen that's underwhelmed by the models.
I'm not a fan either, of the Chaos in particular, although much of the Dark Angel stuff is good.
Good to see I'm not alone! Chaos is almost a caricature of itself now...
Wait so, GW go back to the original Chaos twisted biomechanical aesthetic, rather than Emo Marines, and that's a caricature?
If anything, for a long while now Chaos has just been a pale shadow of the Loyalists, half the time you couldn't tell whether someone was playing a Chaos warband or a DIY Loyalists chapter until they told you, and this revision of the original look gives them back their unique character.
I'LL THROW IT ON THE GROUND! I'm not a part of their system! I don't need yet another chaplain for a $50 upcharge. They tried to sell me a limited edition objectives dice set for $16.99. They even said they would give me a 6th edition poster if I bought it. I THREW IT ON THE GROUND! I just went there for paints. Don;t try to up sell me, man. I even want those markers, but I don't want their bs anymore.
I resent GW with a passion. They eat their young. I plan on buying this. However, GW may have done irreparable damage with their lack of integrity. If I decide to buy it, I will do so from a 3rd party company. The cold war against GW must continue.
EYEofTERROR wrote: I'LL THROW IT ON THE GROUND! I'm not a part of their system! I don't need yet another chaplain for a $50 upcharge. They tried to sell me a limited edition objectives dice set for $16.99. They even said they would give me a 6th edition poster if I bought it. I THREW IT ON THE GROUND! I just went there for paints. Don;t try to up sell me, man. I even want those markers, but I don't want their bs anymore.
I resent GW with a passion. They eat their young. I plan on buying this. However, GW may have done irreparable damage with their lack of integrity. If I decide to buy it, I will do so from a 3rd party company. The cold war against GW must continue.
Wow.
Eye, have you taken your blood pressure medication?
Also, when you THROW IT ON THE GROUND, can I be there to salvage what I can?
IMHO, I really like the Hellbrute - Harriticus hit it on the head, he is very reminiscent of the RT-era Chaos Dreadnought in the "bio-mechanical" aesthetic
I don't play DA, but I'm going to get one of the Assault Cannon Terminators just for the cool pose.
EYEofTERROR wrote: I resent GW with a passion. They eat their young. I plan on buying this. However, GW may have done irreparable damage with their lack of integrity. If I decide to buy it, I will do so from a 3rd party company. The cold war against GW must continue.
The hypocrasy in this is hilarious. I hate them! So I'll keep giving them money!
Even if you buy it from a 3rd party company, GW got the initial sale when that company stocked it, and will get more when they restock it. You're not fighting the system.
EYEofTERROR wrote: I'LL THROW IT ON THE GROUND! I'm not a part of their system! I don't need yet another chaplain for a $50 upcharge. They tried to sell me a limited edition objectives dice set for $16.99. They even said they would give me a 6th edition poster if I bought it. I THREW IT ON THE GROUND! I just went there for paints. Don;t try to up sell me, man. I even want those markers, but I don't want their bs anymore.
I resent GW with a passion. They eat their young. I plan on buying this. However, GW may have done irreparable damage with their lack of integrity. If I decide to buy it, I will do so from a 3rd party company. The cold war against GW must continue.
Wow.
Eye, have you taken your blood pressure medication?
Also, when you THROW IT ON THE GROUND, can I be there to salvage what I can?
The reference, for those not cool enough to get it.
As a Chaos player I'll definitely be buying this. The Hellbrute and Chosen in particular look amazing, and the cultists are great too. I don't really need them for my army [I play Slaanesh and the army is pretty much complete] but I just feel the need to own them as I know I'll regret it if I don't. The only thing that might sneak into my army is the Hellbrute but it's competing with a FW Decimator [which is about my favourite model ever].
The PA marines I have no use for but the termies will come in very handy as I bought a copy of Space Hulk without the marines and these sculpts are about as good.
Refused to buy the big rulebook so mini one is a bonus.
Ultrafool wrote: The irony? A secret "lets keep this a secret" email leaked for everyone to see. I love it.
Further proving just how pointless all this secrecy is.
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EYEofTERROR wrote: I'LL THROW IT ON THE GROUND! I'm not a part of their system! I don't need yet another chaplain for a $50 upcharge. They tried to sell me a limited edition objectives dice set for $16.99. They even said they would give me a 6th edition poster if I bought it. I THREW IT ON THE GROUND! I just went there for paints. Don;t try to up sell me, man. I even want those markers, but I don't want their bs anymore.
I'm an adult!!!!!!! You can't buy me Gee-Dubya MAN!!!!!!!
Eiríkr wrote: So who's going to be printing off a copy of that email and taking into their [not-so?]local GW store?
God, I'd love to do that.
And then what, exactly? Force the minimum wage retail employee to admit that he knows about some product that he's not meant to talk about?
What's the hilarious endgame to taking a copy of a corporate e-mail in to one of that corporations stores?
Eiríkr wrote: So who's going to be printing off a copy of that email and taking into their [not-so?]local GW store?
God, I'd love to do that.
And then what, exactly? Force the minimum wage retail employee to admit that he knows about some product that he's not meant to talk about?
What's the hilarious endgame to taking a copy of a corporate e-mail in to one of that corporations stores?
No, you send the screenshot via mass email to GW's management.
At the very least, there's going to be a sprue with 4 of each cultist type, the cultist heavy weapons guy, 3 tactical marines, 1 terminator, and one chosen, and maybe some biker parts too? There will be two of those sprues in the box.
Eiríkr wrote: So who's going to be printing off a copy of that email and taking into their [not-so?]local GW store?
God, I'd love to do that.
And then what, exactly? Force the minimum wage retail employee to admit that he knows about some product that he's not meant to talk about?
What's the hilarious endgame to taking a copy of a corporate e-mail in to one of that corporations stores?
No, you send the screenshot via mass email to GW's management.
Funny though it would be to do this, along with a demotivational poster of a rainbow painted Lictor with the caption "Secrecy: Ur Doin It Wrong" it would further tighten the ball gag on info releases.
Safe to say, when they find out they are going to be PISSED.
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Simultaneously close enough to the existing Dreadnought that using the older style and 
