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Post by: Fafnir
Squigsquasher wrote:
Funny though it would be to do this, along with a demotivational poster of a rainbow painted Lictor with the caption "Secrecy: Ur Doin It Wrong" it would further tighten the ball gag on info releases.
Safe to say, when they find out they are going to be PISSED.
Perhaps. But perhaps they might also get the idea that maybe their customers aren't too fond being treated like unworthy plebs who should feel privledged for the light that GW shines upon them...
...nah.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Well I am crying my eyes out from laughing at the irony in the letter. If that wasn't asking to be leaked I don't know what is.
I would love to see someone photoshop a multicoloured lictor along with the leaked letter and send it to GW btw. Anyone feel up to the task? 
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Post by: Darklight
Have the full stats on the Hellbrute been leaked somewhere?
I really hope it is not 12/12/10. If so, it would seem to not be much more than a dread.
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Post by: sennacherib
I must say that i LOVE whomever leaked the Do NOT Leak flyer that apparently shipped with the new sprues. How are you supposed to paint something in secret. Do they expect this to get done off the clock. are they on drugs.
Dont answer that.
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Post by: Harriticus
The Hellbrute stats will be very close to Dread stats I imagine, as it is more or less just a Dreadnought. Hell in BL Fluff expect the term to still be "Chaos Dreadnought".
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Post by: Grey Templar
Yeah, but it can take Marks and has some pretty nasty effects from them too. Not to mention it can have the firepower of a rifleman dreadnought while retaining its power fist.
It also has 2+D3 attacks in melee(if outnumbered by the enemy), and potentially an additional +2A on the charge with MoK.
And with MoN it basically regenerates any permanant damage results.
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Post by: Jomy
All those models get a solid 'meh' from me.
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Post by: Fafnir
 Commander Cain wrote:Well I am crying my eyes out from laughing at the irony in the letter. If that wasn't asking to be leaked I don't know what is.
I would love to see someone photoshop a multicoloured lictor along with the leaked letter and send it to GW btw. Anyone feel up to the task?
Already firing up photoshop.
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Post by: Grey Templar
I'd make a new E-mail account just to send the E-mail. Don't want GW attempting to ban-hammer you 
And send it from a public library computer just to be super safe.
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Post by: scarletsquig
The leak letter is brilliant.
If GW didn't want their staff to leak all this, then maybe, just maybe they shouldn't have said:
"paint up 50+ models in your own free time outside of work hours, yes this is mandatory, and no we're not paying you for it beyond giving you a box set that costs us less than a few pounds to manufacture. Leak this and we'll kill you. Have anice day!"
The email is an odd mixture of threats and an announcement of forced unpaid overtime that is desperately trying to brand itself as "exciting".. if I worked for them I'd have been way less than amused by this.
I have no idea what the point of all this secrecy crap is. I often used to get pre-release minis, because GW sold them at shows.
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Post by: adamsouza
 bolo wrote:Tod wrote:Do you think the hellbrute will have stats like a dreadnought or a dreadknight?
Here you go:
Hellbrute
120pts base
Type: Walker
Rules: Rampage
Armour: F12 S12 R10
WS4 BS4 S6 I4
Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter); Because it is a Walker, it does not strike at I1.
Multi-Melta can be swapped for
Butcher Cannon, or
Twin Reaper Autocannons, or
Twin-linked Lascannon, or
Twin-linked Heavy Flamer.
Combi-Bolter can be swapped for Meltagun or Heavy Flamer.
Mark of Khorne: Rage USR
Mark of Nurgle: At the beginning of the turn, a D6 result of 5+ restores a Hull Point, OR can repair a immobilised / weapon destroyed.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic Scream (offensive & defensive grenades)
Mark of Tzeench: Flame weapons (if equipped) gain +1 strength and -1 AP (AP4 becomes AP3, etc)
Just seems like a demon piloted Dread to me, which I'm fine with.
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Post by: Nvs
 scarletsquig wrote:The leak letter is brilliant.
If GW didn't want their staff to leak all this, then maybe, just maybe they shouldn't have said:
"paint up 50+ models in your own free time outside of work hours, yes this is mandatory, and no we're not paying you for it beyond giving you a box set that costs us less than a few pounds to manufacture. Leak this and we'll kill you. Have anice day!"
The email is an odd mixture of threats and an announcement of forced unpaid overtime that is desperately trying to brand itself as "exciting".. if I worked for them I'd have been way less than amused by this.
I have no idea what the point of all this secrecy crap is. I often used to get pre-release minis, because GW sold them at shows.
To be fair, the set does cost ~$100. So even with their discount they're charged $75 for it right? And most anyone could get a GW Store quality job done on these in 2 hours of actual effort. That's not bad if you wanted the set. I'm sure someone at the store actually plays the game.
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Post by: Commander Cain
 Fafnir wrote: Commander Cain wrote:Well I am crying my eyes out from laughing at the irony in the letter. If that wasn't asking to be leaked I don't know what is.
I would love to see someone photoshop a multicoloured lictor along with the leaked letter and send it to GW btw. Anyone feel up to the task?
Already firing up photoshop.
Had to be done!
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Post by: Padre
scarletsquig wrote:The leak letter is brilliant.
If GW didn't want their staff to leak all this, then maybe, just maybe they shouldn't have said:
"paint up 50+ models in your own free time outside of work hours, yes this is mandatory, and no we're not paying you for it beyond giving you a box set that costs us less than a few pounds to manufacture. Leak this and we'll kill you. Have anice day!"
The email is an odd mixture of threats...
And HURRAYS!
Don't forget the Hurrays!
They make everything alright, those Hurrays! because writing Hurrays! in a management directive to grown men and women is not unprofessional, juvenile, demeaning and insulting to your staff's intelligence.
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Post by: psychadelicmime
saw the pictures. EEEEEEeeeEEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEEE Huuuuuhhuhhhuhhhuuhhh EEEEEEEEEeeeeeeEEEEeEEEeEEEeEEE! Sorry, just so excited!1
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Post by: Fafnir
I'll admit that it's not my best work, but it'll do.
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Post by: catharsix
I find it a little strange that GW chose to make up a new Chaos chapter/force/warband for this set ("Blood Slaughter" I think? Man, even a random villain name-generator could come up with something better... but I digress)
Why they didn't just go with Word Bearers, who have a little history, look very similar to this color scheme (and contrast nicely with the dark green of DA), and would make at least a small proportion of CSM players ECSTATIC (those who have Word Bearers armies). Especially since you can have these guys as Word Bearers by only putting the WB icon decal on a shoulder pad, and voila! Word Bearers.
But what do I know... I'm gonna paint these guys in my own custom scheme/chapter/fluff anyhow, so it doesn't really matter to me.
-C6
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Post by: Fafnir
I think one of the main reasons they chose a new (or obscure) warband was so that there wouldn't be any previously established popular iconography to force players to paint up any one faction.
It makes sense to do so for Dark Angels, since they're trying to push DA codecies specifically, and not to draw away from other established marine armies, but CSM armies don't have that issue.
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Post by: Ledabot
This is the point in time where we take all the pictures and the email and send it too GW support asking if these are real.
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Post by: LunaHound
 catharsix wrote:I find it a little strange that GW chose to make up a new Chaos chapter/force/warband for this set ("Blood Slaughter" I think? Man, even a random villain name-generator could come up with something better... but I digress)
Why they didn't just go with Word Bearers, who have a little history, look very similar to this color scheme (and contrast nicely with the dark green of DA), and would make at least a small proportion of CSM players ECSTATIC (those who have Word Bearers armies). Especially since you can have these guys as Word Bearers by only putting the WB icon decal on a shoulder pad, and voila! Word Bearers.
But what do I know... I'm gonna paint these guys in my own custom scheme/chapter/fluff anyhow, so it doesn't really matter to me.
-C6
I would assume because people simply own more SM than Chaos. They want to give extra freebies / boosts to kick start amount of Chaos players.
At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.
Thus they do it so you can start a new Dark Angels army, yet you cant repurchase it multiple times to finish the rest of other marine chapters you might have (well without scrapping marks and such)
Also having the same chaos cultists repeated in the set led me to believe they'll come out with a plastic cult box set.
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Post by: Fafnir
Really, the more hilarious ideas involving revealing GW's own secrets to them, the better.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 LunaHound wrote:At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.
Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non- DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.
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Post by: TechMarine1
Hell brute just looks like a possessed dreadnought and the chaos lord just looks like they just took the AoBR captain and made a few changes.
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Post by: LunaHound
 H.B.M.C. wrote: LunaHound wrote:At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.
Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non- DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.
I was under the impression that possibility would suit a business POV better.
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Post by: Chaos Santa
So I plan on buying this starter set to make my CSM army. I'm allso gonig to chaosify all the DA to add them to my CSM army. I was wondering if anyone could give me an educated guess as to the point value I would get if i did this and just made one big Chao force.
If it helps for the marines, termies, hellbrute, and other things that could take different weapons please just say base cost and off to the side what it may take up to in points if i upgrade them alot.
I also plan on making yhe DA Librarian and Chaplain chao sorcerers, and the DA company master a chaos lord.
Any replys would be a great help.
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Post by: MajorTom11
I don't think it would be too tough to adjust the DA into generics... a lot of the iconography seems isolated to the pads and also small details quite easily shaved off... the wings and bucklers etc, I think it would be look fine to keep them, most codex guys, RG, BA and a bunch others feature either an aquilla or feathered logos themselves...
Anyhoo, since I haven't said anything in this thread yet, AWESOME set... the Chaos stuff in particular makes me cry blood tears
<=====
They are finally looking like Chaos should imo, not just spikes, true mutatation and ornate goodness...
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Post by: Grey Templar
LunaHound wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: LunaHound wrote:At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.
Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non- DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.
I was under the impression that possibility would suit a business POV better.
No, the better business plan is to have a set that everyone will buy. Once a certain number have been sold, everything above that is profit.
So having a set like AoBR is best because people will buy it, and in multiples. This set may be bought in multiples, but only really by Chaos and DA players.
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Post by: Fafnir
 Chaos Santa wrote:So I plan on buying this starter set to make my CSM army. I'm allso gonig to chaosify all the DA to add them to my CSM army. I was wondering if anyone could give me an educated guess as to the point value I would get if i did this and just made one big Chao force.
If it helps for the marines, termies, hellbrute, and other things that could take different weapons please just say base cost and off to the side what it may take up to in points if i upgrade them alot.
I also plan on making yhe DA Librarian and Chaplain chao sorcerers, and the DA company master a chaos lord.
Any replys would be a great help.
We can guess, but we won't really know until the new Chaos codex is released. It'll likely be sporting some hefty point cost adjustments.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
LunaHound wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: LunaHound wrote:At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.
Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non- DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.
I was under the impression that possibility would suit a business POV better.
Just takes different creativity... and a bird motif for your forces XD. I'm sure you could use these for a proper successor chapter with a variety of heritage. Steel Eagles, Jade Falcons (Forgive me FASA), Adamantium Talons, etc. Then modify the iconography or add some bits, coat of paint and voila. C: SM awaits your new force that could /also/ use the DA Codex if you like.
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Post by: LunaHound
 Grey Templar wrote: LunaHound wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: LunaHound wrote:At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.
Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non- DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.
I was under the impression that possibility would suit a business POV better.
No, the better business plan is to have a set that everyone will buy. Once a certain number have been sold, everything above that is profit.
So having a set like AoBR is best because people will buy it, and in multiples. This set may be bought in multiples, but only really by Chaos and DA players.
Yes but that is only half of the story. One can also say for every extra marine they purchased using AOBR, is marines they wont purchase from individual box sets.
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Post by: Grey Templar
LunaHound wrote: Grey Templar wrote: LunaHound wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: LunaHound wrote:At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.
Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non- DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.
I was under the impression that possibility would suit a business POV better.
No, the better business plan is to have a set that everyone will buy. Once a certain number have been sold, everything above that is profit.
So having a set like AoBR is best because people will buy it, and in multiples. This set may be bought in multiples, but only really by Chaos and DA players.
Yes but that is only half of the story. One can also say for every extra marine they purchased using AOBR, is marines they wont purchase from individual box sets.
True, but in the likely event that the person would NOT have purchased an individual boxed set they would not have gained any money by not offering the AoBR set.
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Post by: LunaHound
That is also true. But impossible to tell :'/
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Post by: Dr. Delorean
That "leaked" email would be more interesting if it weren't also blatantly faked.
So having a set like AoBR is best because people will buy it, and in multiples. This set may be bought in multiples, but only really by Chaos and DA players.
And, let's not forget, by the truckload by new players, who don't really care about what particular flavour of space marines are in the box this time, since they have nothing to compare it to. They just see cool models.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Blatently faked?
What is your evidence pray tell?
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Post by: Azazelx
Regardless of whether the email is faked or legit (it must be legit, right? I saw it on the internets! And "The Man (tm)" will say it's fake - so it must be real!!!1!
Ahem. So anyway, I had no intention of buying this box on release and just getting it later (what with all the Kickstarters and such), but seeing that Chaplain, I'm having to rethink that now.
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Post by: RiTides
 Yodhrin wrote: RiTides wrote: Just Dave wrote:'Tides, I think you are the only other person I've seen that's underwhelmed by the models.
I'm not a fan either, of the Chaos in particular, although much of the Dark Angel stuff is good.
Good to see I'm not alone! Chaos is almost a caricature of itself now...
Wait so, GW go back to the original Chaos twisted biomechanical aesthetic, rather than Emo Marines, and that's a caricature?
If anything, for a long while now Chaos has just been a pale shadow of the Loyalists, half the time you couldn't tell whether someone was playing a Chaos warband or a DIY Loyalists chapter until they told you, and this revision of the original look gives them back their unique character.
I love OOP chaos stuff... I just don't love these. As I said, feels like a caricature of itself... to me, at least.
I'm primarily thinking of the dread and Marines, but the cultists don't grab my interest, either.
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Post by: LunaHound
Maybe because they all have the reminiscing look from other company's Not Cultist sculpts.
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Post by: Grey Templar
I suppose the good news is that GW actually added Cultists to the Chaos Codex. Who says you have to use the stock models?
Convert your own from IG or henchmen. Or necromunda gangers.
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Post by: LunaHound
Grey Templar wrote:I suppose the good news is that GW actually added Cultists to the Chaos Codex. Who says you have to use the stock models?
Convert your own from IG or henchmen. Or necromunda gangers.
Im just going to buy 3 starter sets, and leave 2 box worth of cultists un assembled, and buy 1 box of cultist box set when it comes out.
and chop / reglue the new weapon and head :'D
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Post by: plastictrees
That email reads as though it was written by a teenager who imagines that's what "corporate" emails sound like, or by a robot who recently completed a correspondence course in sounding like a human.
J'accuse LunaHound!
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Post by: LunaHound
je suis désolé je ne comprends pas!
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Post by: Dr. Delorean
Blatently faked?
What is your evidence pray tell?
Welp, during my extended period of time as an employee of ++RECORDS EXPUNGED++, I came into contact with quite a few official emails from the higher-ups, many of which were concerned with secretive/sensitive information or releases, such as this one.
What I can say is that in this case, the syntax and language is all wrong, and that they have never -ever- offered a box set as a reward for work completed (and a limited edition no less). The email is also far too "upbeat" for an internal email, all of the ones that I have experienced have been definitively by the book.
So yeah, whilst it is possible that this is not fake, it seems quite different from all the other internal emails I've experienced. Plus, as far as I know, there's no information in there that was not known to us beforehand (excepting the stuff about rewarding employees with free stuff).
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Post by: warpcrafter
 MetalOxide wrote:ceorron wrote:To get that right warpcrafter I think a new backpack for the marines would make a big difference and a spare heads from the chaos space marine sprue. Note you will probably have the cut or shave off the SMs head as it will most likely be attached to the body on the sprue.
Apart from that you may want the armour to look more ornate and "bony" by the looks of the new CSMs so this will most likely require god like green stuff skills if you have them. If not simply a new chaos like paint job maybe enough to make the difference.
Oh and file off the shoulder DA symbols replace with chaos ones.
Maybe go for some of the Fallen Angel backpacks? They can easily be Fallen Dark Angels...
Those are pretty interesting, but I was thinking of just getting a bunch of sets of the possessed chaos space marines and swapping out some of their parts for loyalist parts.
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Post by: conker249
I am hoping for Cypher to be in the codex. long shot but I can wish
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Post by: Harriticus
 plastictrees wrote:That email reads as though it was written by a teenager who imagines that's what "corporate" emails sound like, or by a robot who recently completed a correspondence course in sounding like a human.
J'accuse LunaHound!
Or that's how juvenile GW actually acts towards its business partners.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
TechMarine1 wrote:...the chaos lord just looks like they just took the AoBR captain and made a few changes.
A few?
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Post by: timd
Hatemonger wrote:
Thanks, Tim. What good is the internet if you can't rely on someone else doing work for you, eh? 
You'll probably appreciate this too:
Slayer le boucher wrote:mjl7atlas wrote:Do the Chaos Marine Helms seem to have a DE Incubi look to them?
No they have a CSM Rogue Trader era look
And I replied to that one too:
timd wrote:Brometheus wrote:Look at the CSM horns on the Bolter toting chap... Rogue Trader CSM anyone?
Bingo! My thought as well.
I'll see your Epic Space Marine, and raise you a Space Crusade!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qv1n3hcwv4fs5wx/2012-08-17%2022.21.31.jpg
I guess I'll have to finish painting these guys, since they might finally have a time where their rules AND style are in fashion again.
I have lots of the original metal Chaos Marines that will paint before I actually even consider spending time on my Space Crusade Chaos Marines (besides having long ago primed them black).
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Post by: WarOne
Add horns.
Add skulls.
Turn sword upside down.
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Post by: -Loki-
Simply amazing. That still makes it look nothing like the AoBR captain aside from being a generic lord in power armour, at which point complaining about it is pointless.
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Post by: WarOne
 -Loki- wrote:
Simply amazing. That still makes it look nothing like the AoBR captain aside from being a generic lord in power armour, at which point complaining about it is pointless.
Remove horns.
Remove skulls.
Turn sword right-side up.
Now it is an AOBR captain.
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Post by: Azazelx
[quote=H.B.M.C.
A few?
I can only see one change. They injected the plastic into a different mould.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
LOL! Nice on scipio.
Yeah. It's nothing like the AOBR captain. People are just looking for something to complain about, and have found a whole bunch'a straws to clutch at.
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Post by: WarOne
H.B.M.C. wrote:LOL! Nice on scipio.
Yeah. It's nothing like the AOBR captain. People are just looking for something to complain about, and have found a whole bunch'a straws to clutch at.
Actually, I like the fact they're using similar models. Maybe it will make the price of the set only partially outrageous.
Still going to buy it based off some blurry pictures from a GW catalog scan.
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Post by: -Loki-
 WarOne wrote:Actually, I like the fact they're using similar models. Maybe it will make the price of the set only partially outrageous.
I... what
Even if it was the AoBR captain with an axe instead of a sword, it wouldn't affect the price one jot. Because it would require an entirely new mold to be tooled.
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Post by: Ifepy
Those cultists make me wish I would've went to college instead of joined the army
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Post by: WarOne
-Loki- wrote: WarOne wrote:Actually, I like the fact they're using similar models. Maybe it will make the price of the set only partially outrageous.
I... what Even if it was the AoBR captain with an axe instead of a sword, it wouldn't affect the price one jot. Because it would require an entirely new mold to be tooled.
The mechanics behind it pretty much revolve around the concept that 40k enthusiasts will appreciate: the Genestealer. If a genestealer infects a human population, several generations down the road, future humans will become genestealer hybrids themselves. If we infect the AOBR Captain with Chaos, then slowly but surely he'll turn into the Chaos Lord. First the skulls, then the horns, and finally his sword will turn upside-down and he'll then be transformed. I should of explained that better in my prior post, as my logical fallacies sometimes are not as poorly understood as I do not understand them. In other news, the price I hear for the set seems to be very reasonable to start. Do you think they will increase the price of the set like they did AOBR; and if they do, how much of a percentage markup do you think we'll see?
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Post by: -Loki-
What's the rumoured price?
I'm guessing around Baneblade price?
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Post by: Breotan
Last price I heard for this is $105 US. No idea if it's accurate or not.
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Post by: WarOne
 Breotan wrote:Last price I heard for this is $105 US. No idea if it's accurate or not.
Page 25 or so had a price quote around there yeah.
Even if the set jumps as high as $120, this set is still a very good deal.
Of course I hope GW does not price it too high. Interest is really running rampant right now and it would be a buzz-kill to hear of any price above the $120 marker.
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Post by: -Loki-
Hmm. That might mean about $140 for Australia. That's better than I expected. The start of my Chaos army shouldn't cost me as much as I thought.
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Post by: Ronin
$140 for Aussies? I wish!
The current AOBR set is about $165 on the website, so I wouldnt be surprised if it was around that mark. Hell, I wouldnt be surprised if we had to shell out closer to $200 for a set with models are nice as that.
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Post by: spiraleddie
Yes i went to my flgs yesterday to put dibs on a box and i was suggesting to the owners wife (knows little about 40k and was manning shopfront) i would expect ~$200.
We will but wait and see.
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Post by: Azazelx
Just like AOBR, the sets will be broken up and all over eBay for a song for the next 4 years. The minis will be at a premium for the next 2-3 months, while interest peaks, and then they'll just be "oh yeah, the DV models - I might pick up another (insert model here)."
The DA termies look as nice as the SH BA Termies, but not limited, so there's a huge plus. Automatically Appended Next Post:  spiraleddie wrote:Yes i went to my flgs yesterday to put dibs on a box and i was suggesting to the owners wife (knows little about 40k and was manning shopfront) i would expect ~$200.
We will but wait and see.
If it comes to that, just buy the figures loose from eBay.
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Post by: -Loki-
$105us is less than the Baneblade over there. So if that's somewhat accurate, $200au is a bit absurd, even for GW.
Regarding AoBRs current price, remember, it started a lot cheaper. I'd expect them to do the same again for high initial sales.
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Post by: Vermillion
New box and new price increase on starters again?
Looks not bad, maybe if the DA had a decent codex for 5th I wouldn't have lost interest in them, kinda 4 years too late tbh. Plus looks like the chaos side is the weighted against side (surprise, surprise )
Oh and as GW stores are going on about vengeance etc just now, will they not be getting any stock for the next 6 weeks now?
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Post by: Sidstyler
 EYEofTERROR wrote:I resent GW with a passion. They eat their young. I plan on buying this.
XD I dunno why but that just sounds hilarious to me for some reason.
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Post by: Kroothawk
scarletsquig wrote:The email is an odd mixture of threats and an announcement of forced unpaid overtime that is desperately trying to brand itself as "exciting".. if I worked for them I'd have been way less than amused by this.
Actually, forcing their minimum wage staff to paint up new products pronto in their free time, is standard procedure in GW stores.
They have named successors for half their store managers for a reason
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Fafnir wrote:I'll admit that it's not my best work, but it'll do.
Now all he needs is the scumbag hat and he is good to go.
Yeyeyeyeyeyeyeye, trololololoooooooooool!
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Post by: Sharkvictim
I was at my local GW today and the store manager walked up to me and my cousin while we were on my cousin's laptop looking at these very pics and he says to us "Guys, please, not in the store guys. C'mon, pleeease?" I realize they have their non disclosure agreements, and I'm sure that they are anti-piracy and what have you, but it's not like we were scrolling through a pdf codex scan or something. It was pictures on a website. And granted, the stuff isn't supposed to be released yet, but you would think that getting people to quit looking at images that make them want to spend money would be frowned upon. Tfg, jeez. Automatically Appended Next Post: Twenty minutes later he comes back over to us "So, are you guys in any other gaming leagues or anything? Where else do you play? What else do you play?"
Well, brosef, I play CHAOS  SPACE MARINES.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
The way you said that makes me wonder if those were the only pics you were reading...
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Post by: Sharkvictim
 Squigsquasher wrote:The way you said that makes me wonder if those were the only pics you were reading...
HAHAHA Read as written. But seriously, the way he was acting. Earlier in the day I had said something to another 'hobbyist' about starting a Necromunda gang when the cultists come out. This same store manager overheard and said "what cultists?" Dude, you are fooling no one.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 Sharkvictim wrote:I was at my local GW today and the store manager walked up to me and my cousin while we were on my cousin's laptop looking at these very pics and he says to us "Guys, please, not in the store guys. C'mon, pleeease?" I realize they have their non disclosure agreements, and I'm sure that they are anti-piracy and what have you, but it's not like we were scrolling through a pdf codex scan or something. It was pictures on a website. And granted, the stuff isn't supposed to be released yet, but you would think that getting people to quit looking at images that make them want to spend money would be frowned upon. Tfg, jeez.
Always funny to watch a slave getting scared of punishment by his severe master
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Post by: RyanA
 Kroothawk wrote: Sharkvictim wrote:I was at my local GW today and the store manager walked up to me and my cousin while we were on my cousin's laptop looking at these very pics and he says to us "Guys, please, not in the store guys. C'mon, pleeease?" I realize they have their non disclosure agreements, and I'm sure that they are anti-piracy and what have you, but it's not like we were scrolling through a pdf codex scan or something. It was pictures on a website. And granted, the stuff isn't supposed to be released yet, but you would think that getting people to quit looking at images that make them want to spend money would be frowned upon. Tfg, jeez.
Always funny to watch a slave getting scared of punishment by his severe master
Kinky.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Woa woa woa, I am reading the discussion about the chaos over at warseer. People are saying the rules for the cultists and hellbrute would not be allowed in normal games. Is this true just because they would be rules from a starter set? Best not be, if someone says I cant use the cultists, I will shove the stat sheet in their face and tell them to deal with it.
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Post by: bubber
The only reason they would say that is that the rules are not part of the current chaos codex - this should be rectified (hopefully) by September.
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Post by: Vain
 unmercifulconker wrote:Woa woa woa, I am reading the discussion about the chaos over at warseer. People are saying the rules for the cultists and hellbrute would not be allowed in normal games. Is this true just because they would be rules from a starter set? Best not be, if someone says I cant use the cultists, I will shove the stat sheet in their face and tell them to deal with it.
Well, as you can see we are all in touch with GW directly and have a firm grasp of these unreleased models' rules.
Plus, if I was "told to deal with it" and had some paper waved in my face, regardless of circumstance, you best be believing we wouldn't be having a game. Not exactly the most endearing behaviour.
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Post by: Plokoone
The words "secret" and "disclosure" are used four times... each
What the heck happend to this company? It's become the People's Republik of Games Workshop. Their slogan: Games Workshop is Best Workshop!
I like the Chaos Chosen. Especially the champion. I think he'd make a nice Dark Apostle. Not fond of the cultists however. I was hoping for the Dawn of War look.
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Post by: CrashCanuck
Technically the Hellbrute and Cultists would not quite be legal in most lists as there is no entry for them in their relevant codex, that being said bubber got it right by saying we should have a new codex for them sometime in september. You can use them for battles using only models from the starter set. I would spend the time waiting for the new codex getting those models ready for the table, make them all nice and purdy.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
hell brute stats
Str 6, WS 4, BS4, I4 Has rampage
Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter)
can swap the Multi-Melta for a butcher-cannon, or twin reaper auto cannons (which is pretty cool, since that's an entire riflemen in one arm, but with less range), twin-linked lascannon or a twin-linked heavy flamer.
can swap combi-bolter for a meltagun or heavy flamer
Mark of Khorne: Rage USR
Mark of Nurgle: 5+ restore a hull point OR repair immobilized / weapon destroyed at the start of a turn. Does not let it get back up after having been killed unlike Unholy Vigor.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic scream, gives it offensive/defensive grenades
Mark of Tzeench: flame weapons (if it has any) are +1 strength and -1 AP (so S6 AP3)
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Post by: WarOne
If they came with a chapter approved stamp or an update to the current CSM codex like the Chaos Daemons update, would they really be disallowed?
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Post by: Bloodhorror
At that point i'd IMAGINE they'd be A O K to be used in games and whatnot.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
 Plokoone wrote:The words "secret" and "disclosure" are used four times... each
What the heck happend to this company? It's become the People's Republik of Games Workshop. Their slogan: Games Workshop is Best Workshop!
I like the Chaos Chosen. Especially the champion. I think he'd make a nice Dark Apostle. Not fond of the cultists however. I was hoping for the Dawn of War look.
To be fair, if they did look like that, who could resist squealing " WE KAPTOORED EET FOR KAYHOSS!!!" every time the unit captured an objective?
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Post by: WarOne
Squigsquasher wrote: Plokoone wrote:The words "secret" and "disclosure" are used four times... each
What the heck happend to this company? It's become the People's Republik of Games Workshop. Their slogan: Games Workshop is Best Workshop!
I like the Chaos Chosen. Especially the champion. I think he'd make a nice Dark Apostle. Not fond of the cultists however. I was hoping for the Dawn of War look.
To be fair, if they did look like that, who could resist squealing " WE KAPTOORED EET FOR KAYHOSS!!!" every time the unit captured an objective?
And then shouted at the top of their lungs, "In SOVIET WERKSHOP, OBJEKTIVE KAPTURES UUUUUUUuuuuuu!!!!!"
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Post by: Plokoone
I was referring to their Dawn of War II look but thanks very much for the nostalgia
I'd forgotten about the original S&M Smeagol from the first games...
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Post by: -Loki-
unmercifulconker wrote:Woa woa woa, I am reading the discussion about the chaos over at warseer. People are saying the rules for the cultists and hellbrute would not be allowed in normal games. Is this true just because they would be rules from a starter set? Best not be, if someone says I cant use the cultists, I will shove the stat sheet in their face and tell them to deal with it.
Yeah that's not what they're saying. They're saying until the new codex is released technically you can't use the hell brute and cultists because they're not in the current codex, which is true. Unless there are rules for them in white dwarf, or the rules are in the starter with instructions on using them in the current codex, then they can't legally be fielded. Until the next codex which they will obviously be in.
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Post by: CrashCanuck
WarOne wrote:If they came with a chapter approved stamp or an update to the current CSM codex like the Chaos Daemons update, would they really be disallowed?
So long as the booklet with the starter set has point values then you would be good to go.
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Post by: WarOne
Either way, the Hellbrute could still count as a Dreadnought, and Cultists for an IG traitor army.
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Post by: CrashCanuck
Oh yeah, in the mean time you can use them as those, they just won't "officially" be a hellbrute or cultists until we get the actual codex entry
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Post by: WarOne
 CrashCanuck wrote:Oh yeah, in the mean time you can use them as those, they just won't "officially" be a hellbrute or cultists until we get the actual codex entry
They are some really good models and I'd hate for them to go to waste, especially to all those DA players who don't want their Chaos minions tagging along.
So mail them to me please.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Ohwell, if worse comes to worse, stat sheets shall be wafted in faces
edit: BTW, the cultist champion with the shotgun, is he wearing a mask, looks a little bit like the samurai face mask, or is it just really red skin? Also love those 2 cultists with the hooded robes and helmet, so badass.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And the Codex comes out the following week, so this is very much a non-issue.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
I hope so, the lack of information about the codex all of a sudden scares me :(
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Post by: TechMarine1
CrashCanuck wrote:Technically the Hellbrute and Cultists would not quite be legal in most lists as there is no entry for them in their relevant codex, that being said bubber got it right by saying we should have a new codex for them sometime in september. You can use them for battles using only models from the starter set. I would spend the time waiting for the new codex getting those models ready for the table, make them all nice and purdy.
So, you're saying that I can't used my storm talon because it's not in the current codex Space Marines? What if the rules are in White Dwarf and I bring that to games?
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Post by: Uktabi
Ya know I think this discussion is a wonderful litmus test for who you are playing against. In a tourney I can see this being a discussion. Regular for fun play for the week or so it doesn't have rules (by the rumors), if the guy I am playing really has an issue, well best not to play him. I mean Forgeworld isn't in the book either, treat it like that.
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Post by: CrashCanuck
TechMarine1 wrote: CrashCanuck wrote:Technically the Hellbrute and Cultists would not quite be legal in most lists as there is no entry for them in their relevant codex, that being said bubber got it right by saying we should have a new codex for them sometime in september. You can use them for battles using only models from the starter set. I would spend the time waiting for the new codex getting those models ready for the table, make them all nice and purdy.
So, you're saying that I can't used my storm talon because it's not in the current codex Space Marines? What if the rules are in White Dwarf and I bring that to games?
The WD works as a supplement because it has both the rules AND the points cost, the booklet that came with AoBR didn't have point values in it, so if we don't have point values for the Hellbrute or Cultists they can't really be added into a current list as those now can they?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Squigsquasher wrote: Plokoone wrote:Not fond of the cultists however. I was hoping for the Dawn of War look.
To be fair, if they did look like that, who could resist squealing " WE KAPTOORED EET FOR KAYHOSS!!!" every time the unit captured an objective?
Oh, and it could be worse:
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Post by: Vhalyar
H.B.M.C. wrote:And the Codex comes out the following week, so this is very much a non-issue.
You say that like it's certain when it's just a maybe. Hastings isn't certain of it and anyone can send 'anonymous' contributions to Natfka.
I'd love for you to be right though, but I'm not going to hold my breath :(
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Post by: Zathras
I'm very meh about the starter kit and am going to give it a pass. Sure, the figures are nice and all but neither army is one I have any interest in playing and I have everything else in the box already and don't need more of the same.
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Post by: Tappers
Oh, I want it alright! Those Deathwing are AMAZING! They look almost as good as a finecast model (without air bubbles and stuff). I'm going to get the limited edition if I can.
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Post by: ashrog
unmercifulconker wrote:Ohwell, if worse comes to worse, stat sheets shall be wafted in faces
edit: BTW, the cultist champion with the shotgun, is he wearing a mask, looks a little bit like the samurai face mask, or is it just really red skin? Also love those 2 cultists with the hooded robes and helmet, so badass.
I believe it is a Blood Pact style mask.
Also, do we know if the upcoming Chaos codex is going to be hardback, like the recent Fantasy army books?
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Post by: unmercifulconker
 ashrog wrote: unmercifulconker wrote:Ohwell, if worse comes to worse, stat sheets shall be wafted in faces
edit: BTW, the cultist champion with the shotgun, is he wearing a mask, looks a little bit like the samurai face mask, or is it just really red skin? Also love those 2 cultists with the hooded robes and helmet, so badass.
I believe it is a Blood Pact style mask.
Also, do we know if the upcoming Chaos codex is going to be hardback, like the recent Fantasy army books?
Sweet, thanks. Yeah it will be hardback.
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Post by: Deadshot
I might have to split with someone for that box set. Not sure whether to go for Chaos or DA. DA needs Chapter Symbols cut off, but the opportunity for an awesome chaplain, along with those bikers and an extra Tac squad, is hard to pass up.
On the other had a PA Chaos Lord, some cultists and that Hellbrute would make a great start to a chaos list. Will wait for the dex to see what the craic is.
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Post by: timd
Regarding the Chaos cultists and future cultist releases:
The 40K box set has simple 2(?) part cultist models.
The June 2013 alleged release list has a Cultist Hybrid Upgrade Pack
Sometime between the box set release and the release Cultist Hybrid Upgrade Pack I think its safe to assume that there will be a separate box of plastic cultists released.
The question is will GW simply re-release the box set cultists, or will we see a completely new kit of multi-part cultists?
Seems unlikely that they would release an upgrade pack for the box set cultists, so I'm thinking we will be seeing a completely new kit of multi-part cultists that may well blow away the simple box set cultist figs.
Tim
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Post by: Kingsley
timd wrote:Regarding the Chaos cultists and future cultist releases:
The 40K box set has simple 2(?) part cultist models.
The June 2013 alleged release list has a Cultist Hybrid Upgrade Pack
Sometime between the box set release and the release Cultist Hybrid Upgrade Pack I think its safe to assume that there will be a separate box of plastic cultists released.
The question is will GW simply re-release the box set cultists, or will we see a completely new kit of multi-part cultists?
Seems unlikely that they would release an upgrade pack for the box set cultists, so I'm thinking we will be seeing a completely new kit of multi-part cultists that may well blow away the simple box set cultist figs.
Tim
I believe the "Cultist Hybrid" kit is generally considered to refer to Genestealer Cultists, not Chaos Cultists.
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Post by: Vhalyar
timd wrote:The June 2013 alleged release list has a Cultist Hybrid Upgrade Pack
1) The list is strongly believed to be fake
2) Those refer to Genestealer Cults
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Post by: plastictrees
Is it? Man some people have too much free time.
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Post by: dpal666
I already have 4 trades setup, I gets tons of chaos!
This'll be my only power armor army.
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Post by: KhornateCake
Every time I see pictures of the new White Dwarf on Dakka/BoLs/Warseer, GW seem to release one of there god damn awful "teaser" trailers.
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Post by: Nuclear Mekanik
Is anyone else actually excited about the prospect of having Tactical Marines with proper Tac markings as raised details on the shoulder pad? Not a metal slightly different sized shoulder pad, and not a big white arrow painted on (badly, in my case) but properly cast into the plastic. I am, I like this a lot, I am looking forward to painting these guys and making them look really crisp, excited about collecting Marines for the first time in a long time. 
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Post by: ashrog
 Nuclear Mekanik wrote:Is anyone else actually excited about the prospect of having Tactical Marines with proper Tac markings as raised details on the shoulder pad? Not a metal slightly different sized shoulder pad, and not a big white arrow painted on (badly, in my case) but properly cast into the plastic. I am, I like this a lot, I am looking forward to painting these guys and making them look really crisp, excited about collecting Marines for the first time in a long time.
Bad news if you are planning on using these for any chapter other than DA's, because I believe their squad markings are different from the codex-standard markings. AoBR marines had the sculpted Tac arrow, though.
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Post by: insaniak
Nuclear Mekanik wrote:Is anyone else actually excited about the prospect of having Tactical Marines with proper Tac markings as raised details on the shoulder pad?
The AoBR Marines had that already, so it's probably not as exciting for most this time around...
Besides, Dark Angels tactical markings are different to everyone else's...
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Post by: timd
 Vhalyar wrote:timd wrote:The June 2013 alleged release list has a Cultist Hybrid Upgrade Pack
1) The list is strongly believed to be fake
By the Kool Aid drinkers perhaps, but there is far too much in that list that rings very true. The scheduling may change, but I think we will see the bulk of that list released in the next three years. Is there any real evidence at all that its fake besides Hastings' call?
I believe the "Cultist Hybrid" kit is generally considered to refer to Genestealer Cultists, not Chaos Cultists.
No kidding.
What would be an easy way to release Genestealer hybrid cult figures without having to sculpt/cut a whole new set of plastic figure sprues?
Perhaps by making an Genestealer hybrid cult upgrade pack with parts that interchange with the parts from the chaos cultists figure box to turn them into Genestealer cult hybrids?
If the Chaos Cultists are in the Chaos codex, they will have to release a box set of Chaos Cultists pretty quickly and I don't see then releasing the cultists from the starter box, because the quality and convertability will not be anywhere near what they are releasing for standalone plastic kits. Have any of the starter box figures (not scenery) ever been released as a separate box set? Don't think so...
A Chaos cultists release of multi-part figures combined with a Hybrid upgrade pack would a very easy way to generate Genestealer cultists (and incidentally allies for the Tyranids).
Sure its a WAG, but it fits well with the kinds of things GW is doing with plastics now.
So add me to the rumormonger list for a Chaos Cultists multi-part figure box release within the first two Chaos release waves that will be the base box for use with the "Cult Hybrid Upgrade Pack" whenever its released.
Tim
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Post by: Tappers
I do Blood Angels, so all I have to do is cover up the sword with an egg shaped blob of greenstuff.
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Post by: insaniak
timd wrote:If the Chaos Cultists are in the Chaos codex, they will have to release a box set of Chaos Cultists pretty quickly ...
Like they did with the Deffcopta?
 Tappers wrote:I do Blood Angels, so all I have to do is cover up the sword with an egg shaped blob of greenstuff.
... and change the Tactical markings...
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
Who cares about the tactical markings?
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Post by: timd
 insaniak wrote:
timd wrote: If the Chaos Cultists are in the Chaos codex, they will have to release a box set of Chaos Cultists pretty quickly ...
Like they did with the Deffcopta?
How long after the box set release was the Deffcopter released separately (I don't follow Orks...)?
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Post by: d-usa
Blood Angels also don't wear robes. Everybody knows that blood stains are a pain in the butt to get out of your robes.
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Post by: Vhalyar
Debunked by Hastings himself as a copy/paste of current rumors + a steaming load of invented crap. But apparently Hastings makes Kool Aid and a gut feeling is more accurate
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Post by: lord_blackfang
timd wrote: insaniak wrote:
timd wrote: If the Chaos Cultists are in the Chaos codex, they will have to release a box set of Chaos Cultists pretty quickly ...
Like they did with the Deffcopta?
How long after the box set release was the Deffcopter released separately (I don't follow Orks...)?
Well, the starter is now OOP and the Deffkoptas still aren't sold separately. so...
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
But the point is that other reliable rumour-mongers have said that it matches what they know, as well as other things (like LOTR stuff that would only be known by people who were in close contact with the films).
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Actually they still sell these horrble metal deffcoptas. Check under the Fast Attack section in the Ork product list.
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Post by: Vhalyar
 Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:But the point is that other reliable rumour-mongers have said that it matches what they know, as well as other things (like LOTR stuff that would only be known by people who were in close contact with the films).
Stickmonkey's agreed with Hastings and Harry's admitted that the list didn't feel right. As for the LOTR stuff, exactly. No one has any information on it, aka anyone can invent stuff if they have passable book knowledge.
Just saying, it's not looking good at all for that list.
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Post by: Crimson
Vhalyar wrote:
Stickmonkey's agreed with Hastings and Harry's admitted that the list didn't feel right. As for the LOTR stuff, exactly. No one has any information on it, aka anyone can invent stuff if they have passable book knowledge.
Just saying, it's not looking good at all for that list.
I knew plasic SoB was too good to be true...
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Post by: kitch102
Yep, looks like I'm starting Chaos... those DA will make a good addition to my Sons of Dorn 7th Company too, exciting stuff!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Vhalyar wrote: Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:But the point is that other reliable rumour-mongers have said that it matches what they know, as well as other things (like LOTR stuff that would only be known by people who were in close contact with the films).
Stickmonkey's agreed with Hastings and Harry's admitted that the list didn't feel right. As for the LOTR stuff, exactly. No one has any information on it, aka anyone can invent stuff if they have passable book knowledge.
Just saying, it's not looking good at all for that list.
I dunno the fact that we could take apart the product codes to get place of manufacture, game system and even a check digit makes me believe it. That's a lot of work for a detail a hoaxer could have omitted.
I'm a firm believer in human laziness.
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Post by: JB
timd wrote:Have any of the starter box figures (not scenery) ever been released as a separate box set? Don't think so...
The only unit that I can remember was the Orc Boar Chariot for WHFB. It came out in a starter set and then in a separate box as well.
The Forest Goblin spider riders were close but there were differences between the models in the starter set and the separate box.
I agree with you though that the cultists will be a separate plastic boxed set with more customizable models than those in the starter set.
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Post by: djphranq
Alright! More pictures! Everything so far looks wicked boss awesome. I'm really digging the DA stuff. I just wish there were more robes involved... but the lack of robes is probably to make conversions easier or something.
The Chaos stuff looks pretty good too, though I'm not really feeling the Cultists... they seem to much like 'Dark Eldar' type guys. If I include cultists in my lists I'd rather go with the Forgeworld upgrade kits or Catachan/Marauder hybrids.
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Post by: kitch102
Do we know if these are snap fit models yet?
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Post by: Darklight
 adamsouza wrote: bolo wrote:Tod wrote:Do you think the hellbrute will have stats like a dreadnought or a dreadknight?
Here you go:
Hellbrute
120pts base
Type: Walker
Rules: Rampage
Armour: F12 S12 R10
WS4 BS4 S6 I4
Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter); Because it is a Walker, it does not strike at I1.
Multi-Melta can be swapped for
Butcher Cannon, or
Twin Reaper Autocannons, or
Twin-linked Lascannon, or
Twin-linked Heavy Flamer.
Combi-Bolter can be swapped for Meltagun or Heavy Flamer.
Mark of Khorne: Rage USR
Mark of Nurgle: At the beginning of the turn, a D6 result of 5+ restores a Hull Point, OR can repair a immobilised / weapon destroyed.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic Scream (offensive & defensive grenades)
Mark of Tzeench: Flame weapons (if equipped) gain +1 strength and -1 AP (AP4 becomes AP3, etc)
Just seems like a demon piloted Dread to me, which I'm fine with.
Thank You. Where are you getting this stat information? Do you have access to the boxed set?
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Post by: Kanluwen
 JB wrote:
The only unit that I can remember was the Orc Boar Chariot for WHFB. It came out in a starter set and then in a separate box as well.
The Forest Goblin spider riders were close but there were differences between the models in the starter set and the separate box.
I agree with you though that the cultists will be a separate plastic boxed set with more customizable models than those in the starter set.
The Lothern Sea Guard from IoB are available by themselves.
You only receive the "normal" infantry, and the command units are not available for sale outside of the box.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Bits & Kits have taken the initiative and started doing pre-orders on the models from the kit. I ‘spose it’s a good indicator of what they’ll need, and saves you waiting for each stock update.
So I’ve ordered my Cultists – enough to flood the table! With the recent stash of Necromunda weapons I got, plus my existing small-arms bits, I should be able to convert these guys to anything!
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Post by: Deadshot
 lord_blackfang wrote:timd wrote: insaniak wrote:
timd wrote: If the Chaos Cultists are in the Chaos codex, they will have to release a box set of Chaos Cultists pretty quickly ...
Like they did with the Deffcopta?
How long after the box set release was the Deffcopter released separately (I don't follow Orks...)?
Well, the starter is now OOP and the Deffkoptas still aren't sold separately. so...
You can still get those crapass twinbladed ones GW sells. But that's why Starter sets sell so well, because they sell unique models that look far better than the actual models, at least concerning the Koptas. The Dread has a MM arm which is good too.
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Post by: Vhalyar
JB wrote:timd wrote:Have any of the starter box figures (not scenery) ever been released as a separate box set? Don't think so...
The only unit that I can remember was the Orc Boar Chariot for WHFB. It came out in a starter set and then in a separate box as well./quote]
HE Sea Guard?
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Post by: Deadshot
Vhalyar wrote: JB wrote:timd wrote:Have any of the starter box figures (not scenery) ever been released as a separate box set? Don't think so...
The only unit that I can remember was the Orc Boar Chariot for WHFB. It came out in a starter set and then in a separate box as well./quote]
HE Sea Guard?
AFAIK all the 40k Starter sets have been released in plastic or metal (and converted to FC) with exception to the limited edition characters.
4th ed Battle for Maccrage
Genestealers yes
Termagants yes
Tac Squad Yes
Spore Mines (part of biovore or as single metal kit but yes)
5th ed
Tac Squad Yes
Termies yes
Dread (without MM but hell) yes
Captain (with options for Bolter and PS) yes
Nobs yes
Boyz yes
Warboss (several different kits in metal/ FC) yes
Deffkoptas (crap twinbladed chairs but yes).
Most likely there will be a Chaos Cultist kit, with options for Pistol/ CCW or Autogun, plus a champion.
There will be a PA lord/sorceror kit like the commander
Chosen will get a kit
A note on these, the guy with dual LC, I don't like him. He has Imperial style LC, knuckle mounts. I love the style CSM have with the claws.
Hellbrutes will get a kit similar to the dread, with no MM option so there is reason to get the Starter kit one
Deathwing can be converted using a conversion sprue and reg Termies but they might get their own kit
Same deal with Ravenwing
Libbies have several FC models
As do Chaplains however he is one badass guy
Company Master is just a fancy captain and there is a FC kit
Tac Squad as above
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Post by: Squigsquasher
 Deadshot wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:timd wrote: insaniak wrote:
timd wrote: If the Chaos Cultists are in the Chaos codex, they will have to release a box set of Chaos Cultists pretty quickly ...
Like they did with the Deffcopta?
How long after the box set release was the Deffcopter released separately (I don't follow Orks...)?
Well, the starter is now OOP and the Deffkoptas still aren't sold separately. so...
You can still get those crapass twinbladed ones GW sells. But that's why Starter sets sell so well, because they sell unique models that look far better than the actual models, at least concerning the Koptas. The Dread has a MM arm which is good too.
Shame the AOBR Dreadnought was so ugly and lazy. Just do away with the gap between the sarcophagus and waist why don't you GW...Ugh.
If I ever want to take a Space Marine Dreadnought with a Multi Melta I'm going for Forge World.
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Post by: UltraPrime
Been away for weekend, so just catching up. Very impressed!
Now, as for sculpted detail. Doesn't surprise me at all. You don't play DAs? No problem! We have rules for allies now!
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Post by: Deadshot
UltraPrime wrote:Been away for weekend, so just catching up. Very impressed!
Now, as for sculpted detail. Doesn't surprise me at all. You don't play DAs? No problem! We have rules for allies now!
That was exactly the reason for including Allies at all.
" I wants the new starter kit to bulk out my Ultramarines!"
"Cool! But its DA"
"Oh."
GW- "Don't worry, You can still but them and use them! As Allies!"
"Allies?"
"Yes! Allies! They join your army as friends and you can paint them right and buy more SM to get your needs as well! So now you have to buy the DA codex! And in a few months you'll have to buy a new codex!
Wait, there's.more. Now you have a small Chaos army! Now, you could sell those on to fund the other purchases! OR you could keep those, bulk it out with Berserkers or Thousand suns to use as Troops in the 4th ed codex you'll have to buy! And then in few months time we will give you the new codex in return for your last coins!"
Then the GW executives turn to the marketing director who has given the demonstration.
"This is brilliant! Get Ward and Cruddace on this now! Kelly gets writing the Chaos Dex now, Ward on DA! And remember, if any of this leaks we send out the Flesh Hounds to sniff around!"
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Post by: Grey Templar
Somehow I imagine the GW headquarters is an exact copypaste of the nameless company in the Dilbert comics.
Or maybe the Dilbert company IS Gamesworkshop
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Post by: Starfarer
H.B.M.C. wrote:Bits & Kits have taken the initiative and started doing pre-orders on the models from the kit. I ‘spose it’s a good indicator of what they’ll need, and saves you waiting for each stock update.
So I’ve ordered my Cultists – enough to flood the table! With the recent stash of Necromunda weapons I got, plus my existing small-arms bits, I should be able to convert these guys to anything!
At first I was wondering why anyone would the crazy mark up for those cultists, then realized they must not really be that bad considered Australia's GW prices. 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
10 Guardsmen = $48 AUD from GWOZ.
20 Cultists = $38 AUD from B&K.
I don’t see a downside. In fact, all I see are Cultists. 60 of them. To go with the 20 I’ll get when I buy a single copy of the starter box.
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Post by: Starfarer
H.B.M.C. wrote:10 Guardsmen = $48 AUD from GWOZ.
20 Cultists = $38 AUD from B&K.
I don’t see a downside. In fact, all I see are Cultists. 60 of them. To go with the 20 I’ll get when I buy a single copy of the starter box.
I'm not saying there is a downside for you, other than GW charging crazy prices to Australians. The facepalm was for GW, not you.  I'm saying £25 for the cultists is nearly half the price of the starter set is USD.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
True, but value is relative in some cases. Yes, it is half the price of the starter kit, and I’d be getting better ‘value’ if I just bought three starter kits. But then I’d have 3 identical Hellbeasts, 3 identical Chaos Lords, 3 identical Terminator Squads and so on. That’s not what I want.
I’ll admit that this is 100% a personal preference thing, but I hate having spare models. It’s the reason why I never bought a second 5th starter – I didn’t want 2 of the Marine Captain or another Tactical Squad. So I bitz ordered the extra Orks I wanted. Same goes for the Battle for McDonald’s box – I didn’t want another bunch of Marines, or a second one of that ship pilot (or even a second set of crashed Lander terrain). I did want more Spore Mines though, so I just bought those, and another 20 or so of those great 2-piece Termagants.
I really don’t want duplicates of those Chosen (other than maybe one extra of each Bolter Marine). I have no need for more Tactical Marines. I want oodles of Cultists though, as I don’t mind the duplication there (and I can convert the Champs easily enough to make ‘em different – ditto for the heavy weapon guys).
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Post by: jedi76
like this sooo much better than AOBR. I havnt messed with GW much last 3 years but i am really digging this set. It has that apocalyptic war in heaven angels vs demons feel to it that originally got me into 40k.
The chosen and lord are really badass looking. If i get this i'll have to decide if i want to start DA or paint them to my crimson hawks chapter scheme. perfectly viable with all the feathers/wings on them
I wonder if the limited edition sets will be more expensive?
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Post by: -Loki-
What I find amusing after all this love of this set is the griping over the original rumour about it being power armour vs power armour, even with non power armoured cultists.
What a difference fantastic models makes.
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Post by: Deadshot
Question, what's the difference between the Limited and regular sets?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
A plastic Chaplain.
Maybe the price, but we don't know that yet.
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:A plastic Chaplain.
Maybe the price, but we don't know that yet.
Supposedly, we're actually going to be seeing two different "Starter Sets" later on.
One with the composition of the Chaos forces, the other with Dark Angels--both with a Mini Rulebook and the Dark Vengeance booklet inside.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Which seems like a waste of shelf space to me.
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Post by: Grey Templar
I don't think so.
That would actually be a very smart move by GW. Allowing someone to just buy one of the forces will make this a much more attractive product.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I dunno. It seems a bit better, depending on how large a box they use.
And not to mention it will actually result in a bit more "research" for GW, as they can see which set sells better.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Considering that sprue space is at a premium (just as much as shelf space) I don't think we'll be seeing separate boxes. The Orks and Marines in AoBR share a lot of the same giant sprues, and I'd expect something similar here.
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Post by: LunaHound
 d-usa wrote:
Blood Angels also don't wear robes. Everybody knows that blood stains are a pain in the butt to get out of your robes.
In the Grim Dark Future without Billy Mays, the whole galaxy struggles fighting blood stains ;_:
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Post by: Grey Templar
I'm sure there's a DA/blood/innuendo/robe joke in there somewhere.
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Post by: WarOne
Don't say it....Matt Ward has probably already seen this post and now is hatching his latest excuse to butcher SoBs in fluff, but this time with DA/blood/inneundo/robe jokes....
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Post by: Grey Templar
I, for one, welcome our new Dark Angel overlords.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I just don't see a Starter Set with only a single faction. It would make sense for the rulebook, templates and dice (I can imagine the tifs kids might have over those if they buy a kit by pooling their money)
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Post by: Abadabadoobaddon
insaniak wrote:Besides, Dark Angels tactical markings are different to everyone else's...
Everyone else's tactical goes one way but the Dark Angels' goes both ways.
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Post by: SlaveToDorkness
Must be the dresses...
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Post by: Brother SRM
So what you're saying is Dark Angels go both ways?
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
So I suppose GW's evil plan has worked. I went and grabbed the DA Upgrade sprue and a Venerable Dreadnaught to round out my new force made up from two kit's worth of DA. I did the math real quick and that gives me a pretty solid 1500 point force fast quick and compared to 1500 points of pretty much anything else, really damn cheap.
The box itself gives you around 900 points to play with but obviously list restrictions are a thing so fielding a Librarian, Company Master, Interrogator Chaplin and a converted Belial won't work.
This is all just for the DA part of the box obviously. No clue as yet for the "real" points values for the Chaos side of the house obviously.
Now to spend my first day of class thinking up heraldry and fluff for my new SM Chapter.
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Post by: Formosa
To all the people hoping that DA get the new DW termies in a box.... no...just no, I will be sorely disapointed if they did this, I want a DW terminator box set to be done properly, with robed heads torsos etc, I do not want these mono pose models (however nice they may be)
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
 Formosa wrote:To all the people hoping that DA get the new DW termies in a box.... no...just no, I will be sorely disapointed if they did this, I want a DW terminator box set to be done properly, with robed heads torsos etc, I do not want these mono pose models (however nice they may be)
They pulled the DW termies on GW's site. I bet a new box is in the works, and if they release a box it'll be closer to the standard Terms then these terms.
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Post by: prototype_X
The models are sexy, oh so sexy. But with every 12 year old feilding them, the only real option is conversion.... not that I'm opposed to that...
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Post by: Bloodhorror
Yeah...
But the models are sexy :(!
All i'm doing it getting 2 sets of that chaos stuff, bulking it out with another 2 sets of cultists if i can and calling it a day
And then ASSUMING the new codex comes out, i'll even get myself another helbrute if i like the points and stats
And maybe a dragon...
feth you GW ¬¬!
I Hate you so much for making sexy models and making me spend money  !
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Post by: prototype_X
TBH the hellbrute does nothing for me, I'll have to hold it, and examine it before deciding if it's any good for converting...
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Post by: Bloodhorror
I Like it, and i like the prospect of giving 2 of them Butcher cannons...
4 str 8 Shots from one arm ?
Yes Please omnomnom xD
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Post by: SoloFalcon1138
 KalashnikovMarine wrote: Formosa wrote:To all the people hoping that DA get the new DW termies in a box.... no...just no, I will be sorely disapointed if they did this, I want a DW terminator box set to be done properly, with robed heads torsos etc, I do not want these mono pose models (however nice they may be)
They pulled the DW termies on GW's site. I bet a new box is in the works, and if they release a box it'll be closer to the standard Terms then these terms.
The metal Deathwing models have been unavailable for quite a while...
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Post by: Brother SRM
Even so, they're hardly modern and don't scale well with modern Terminators. Just use the robed heads and Deathwing accessories on the DA upgrade sprue; that's what they're there for.
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Post by: Wyrmalla
Is there a pre-order date for the limited edition? I've already got the bits of my set sold to a mate, and youknow, I'm wanting to make sure I actually get a copy. XD
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Post by: Destrado
Formosa wrote:To all the people hoping that DA get the new DW termies in a box.... no...just no, I will be sorely disapointed if they did this, I want a DW terminator box set to be done properly, with robed heads torsos etc, I do not want these mono pose models (however nice they may be)
But that wouldn't be "doing them properly". Deathwing never had robes, the robes are used by Inner Circle personnel on Power Armour.
A set à la Wolf Guard or Grey Knights in TA would be nice, but given that Loyalists already have four interchangeable Terminator Kits and DA have a sprue with a lot of extras for TA, I find it doubtful they'd release another TA kit with whole new sculpts.
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Post by: Melcavuk
Not sure if its just me but AOBR has gone from the GW site now. Sorry if its been mentioned already
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Post by: kitch102
 Wyrmalla wrote:Is there a pre-order date for the limited edition? I've already got the bits of my set sold to a mate, and youknow, I'm wanting to make sure I actually get a copy. XD
Not yet, pre-orders will be up midnight on the crossover betwee August 31st / September 1st.
We'll likely see a teaser video tonight, given that it's nearly 4pm UK time and still no random "look at our hobby!" posts.
Ps, hands off my copy of that Limited Ed box set
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Post by: Wyrmalla
XD
Fair enough then, plenty of time for my student loan to be payed in. Is £35 a decent price for all the Dark Angels + Chosen and the lord? I only really want the box for the Cultists/HellBrute/Rulebook, so the rest is dead weight to me really. =/
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Post by: kitch102
Depends on the cost of the box. If it retails at £35 then no, if it comes in at £70 then yeah absolutely. However as it's a limited edition I'm guessing it's gonna be over £80. I'm wondering if / how they'll tie it in with GD:UK, would've thought that to be an excellent launch pad for them.
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Post by: Wyrmalla
I'm thinking its going around the £70 region as that's what's been pitched in this thread. However if its going to cost £90 or so due to its limited edition nature I'd be buying the normal version then (any news if its just the limited edition being released, or will both version at the same time?). That's a lot of cash just for one more model (seriously....I mean your making a huge saving if you were to buy the stuff separately, but an extra £10/£20 for exclusiveness is silly). =/
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Post by: Melcavuk
New teaser is up on GW but I'm getting "this video is private" when I try to play it. Awkward and annoying or truly ridiculous levels of secrecy.
Edit: Working Now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1tJmi9zNFk&feature=player_embedded
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Post by: greenleafl
Will they release the units in the new box independently though?
for whfb island of blood quite a few of the units are only available in the boxed set in plastic form....
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Post by: Praxiss
Bitz and Kitz already have the various bits up for pre-order. The Hellbrute is up for £15.
Tempting.
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Post by: Panic
yeah, Whoa that was fast. congrats to bits and kits for being the first bits site to break down the starter set Shame I missed the opportunity to get a extra mini rule book... I like having two mini books, the big book is way to clumsy for quick reference. Panic...
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Post by: Sunoccard
 Bloodhorror wrote:I Like it, and i like the prospect of giving 2 of them Butcher cannons...
4 str 8 Shots from one arm ?
Yes Please omnomnom xD
OR you could get a Decimator with 2 butcher cannons
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Post by: Bloodfrenzy187
I really want the Chaos side of the box so most likely will be looking to trade my DA stuff for more chaos stuff. The chosen armor really looks great I can't wait to put some paint to them.
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Post by: kitch102
Wyrmalla wrote:I'm thinking its going around the £70 region as that's what's been pitched in this thread. However if its going to cost £90 or so due to its limited edition nature I'd be buying the normal version then (any news if its just the limited edition being released, or will both version at the same time?). That's a lot of cash just for one more model (seriously....I mean your making a huge saving if you were to buy the stuff separately, but an extra £10/£20 for exclusiveness is silly). =/
I'd hope it's no more than £70, though they'd have to not be snap fit models if you ask me. £61.50 is already a lot of cash for AoBR. Sadly I can see them jacking the price up an extra 10 or 20 quid to cash in on the impulse buyers (sadly I'm one of them, I do want that Chaplain though...) siting that particular model as the exclusive.
Hey ho, whatever, bring it on
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Post by: Red Corsair
 Sunoccard wrote: Bloodhorror wrote:I Like it, and i like the prospect of giving 2 of them Butcher cannons...
4 str 8 Shots from one arm ?
Yes Please omnomnom xD
OR you could get a Decimator with 2 butcher cannons
In either case Demon pilots are always BS3 so even with two butcher canons your looking at 4 hits, what a GK psyfledread averages anyway. Automatically Appended Next Post: It will depend on cost but I am guessing the two TL-Reaper Autos on one arm is best purchase.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Oh, are we back to guessing stuff we already know?
The set is £65, €85, preorders on the 25th.
EDIT: And Hellbrutes are BS4.
Well, that's it for the nonsense in the last few posts, at least.
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Post by: kitch102
Awesome, where's it say that?
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Post by: mikhaila
Confirmed the Sep. 1st date with my rep just now.
I'll be putting it out for sale at my shop at 1 second after midnight. (We game late fridays with about 30 guys at the shop, so sort of a no brainer. )
Cost in the US is 99.99 for the basic set available after Sept 7th.
The first run will be 108.00 and contain a limited edition Dark Angels interegator chaplain.
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Post by: Deadshot
UK people we're talking about 70 for the Limited edition (which is about £9 over AOBR for the adition of 3 characters) and about 65 for the standard, which is about £4 for AOBR equivilents+ Libby and Sorceror.
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
If its only £4 more the ltd ed ill be shocked! Will definitely get it at that price.
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Post by: KhornateCake
Sorry, don't know if this is a repost and a little off topic, but..: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=3600024
I hate these things.
But atleast it confirms Chaos being released too!, the guys looking like Word Bearers to me.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Silly GW, always behind itself in releasing Information
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Post by: Vhalyar
 KhornateCake wrote:But atleast it confirms Chaos being released too!, the guys looking like Word Bearers to me.
It's just showing the lord and chosen from the starter set, it doesn't confirm anything beyond that.
And they're the Crimson Slaughter, not the Word Bearers.
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Post by: KhornateCake
Vhalyar wrote: KhornateCake wrote:But atleast it confirms Chaos being released too!, the guys looking like Word Bearers to me.
It's just showing the lord and chosen from the starter set, it doesn't confirm anything beyond that.
And they're the Crimson Slaughter, not the Word Bearers.
Ahh thankyou very much!
So am I right in expecting the Starter set AND Chaos codex coming out in the same month?
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Post by: Rivet
KhornateCake wrote: Vhalyar wrote: KhornateCake wrote:But atleast it confirms Chaos being released too!, the guys looking like Word Bearers to me.
It's just showing the lord and chosen from the starter set, it doesn't confirm anything beyond that.
And they're the Crimson Slaughter, not the Word Bearers.
Ahh thankyou very much!
So am I right in expecting the Starter set AND Chaos codex coming out in the same month?
That is what everyone is hoping and some of the rumors are pointing to.
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Post by: KhornateCake
Oh god lord, might aswell just give GW my credit card on the 25th...
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Post by: Vhalyar
We all hope for that, but at the same time the lack of a hint in the newest White Dwarf is not good thing. Doesn't mean it won't happen though!
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Post by: Grey Templar
GWs become even more paranoid lately. I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped putting teaser pages in WD at all.
I wish whoever does the leaks at GW would send them a letter saying how "it is useless to resist"
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Post by: KhornateCake
Grey Templar wrote:GWs become even more paranoid lately. I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped putting teaser pages in WD at all.
September WD has a picture of a Dark Angel and "The War rages on!".
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Post by: Grey Templar
Yeah, but that was probably decided and all qued up before the major leak was done.
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Post by: Rivet
$99.99 that is cheaper than Assault on Black Reach. That is nifty at least, right?
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Post by: CuddlySquig
A strange looking piece of work, that hellbrute. Looks like the CSM are becoming more cartoony than ever. That picture of the announcement message made me smile. Someone's going to get into a lot of trouble for this
Grey Templar wrote:
I wish whoever does the leaks at GW would send them a letter saying how "it is useless to resist"
Of course, the lettering would have to be done in letters cut out of a magazine and the envelope would have to be delivered personally.
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Post by: Brometheus
New video with CSMs in it. It looks like the fellows from the starter. I bet tomorrow will have DA.
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Post by: SpitfireArsonist
Is this the appropriate thread to set up future trades of the new starter's contents, or is that better reserved for the swap shop?
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Post by: Rivet
 SpitfireArsonist wrote:Is this the appropriate thread to set up future trades of the new starter's contents, or is that better reserved for the swap shop?
Swap shop I would think
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Post by: The Shadow
Frankly rather chuffed that the Limited Edition is only a fiver more than the normal one which, in itself, is actually reasonably well priced!
*Gives GW a hug*
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Post by: SpitfireArsonist
 Rivet wrote: SpitfireArsonist wrote:Is this the appropriate thread to set up future trades of the new starter's contents, or is that better reserved for the swap shop?
Swap shop I would think
Yeah, I figured as much, but I was hoping I could expedite the whole process by doing an in person trade with someone in the Los Angeles area.
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Post by: Rivet
 mikhaila wrote:Confirmed the Sep. 1st date with my rep just now.
I'll be putting it out for sale at my shop at 1 second after midnight. (We game late fridays with about 30 guys at the shop, so sort of a no brainer. )
Cost in the US is 99.99 for the basic set available after Sept 7th.
The first run will be 108.00 and contain a limited edition Dark Angels interegator chaplain.
This makes me very excited! I cannot wait to dig into this box and begin preparations (hopefully) for the new codex (if it comes out in September, for Chaos). My noise marines are aching to get back on the table and convert new followers to Slaanesh.
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Post by: Kroothawk
REDEATH over at Warseer wrote:60010199006 40-15-60 Warhammer 40,000: Dark Vengeance (English) - Special Edition 49 Fig Box, Rulepack, Dice, Measures, Templates 1-Sep-12 $107.00 USD $128.00 CAD
70100181219 BL862 Dark Vengeance: The Novel (Nth America) 126 page hardback novel 1-Sep-12 $19.99 USD $22.50 CAD
70680181034 BL856 The Acsension of Balthazar (Nth America) Double pack Audio CD 1-Sep-12 $21.99 $25.00
60010199007 40-01-60 Warhammer 40,000: Dark Vengeance (English) 48 Fig Box, Rulepack, Dice, Measures, Templates 8-Sep-12 $99.00 USD $119.00 CAD
99230199006 Dark Vengeance Figure Case 1 Figure Case with Custom Cut Foam 1-Sep-12 $66.00 USD $79.00 CAD
There is a limited edition stater set release!!!
It comes out 1 week early; It will start shipping on Monday, August 27th
Exclusive to the limited edition is a plastic Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
It has a hard street date of September 1st.
The Dark Vengeance starter set will be available for order starting Tuesday, September 4th
This does not have a hard street date.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:I really want the Chaos side of the box so most likely will be looking to trade my DA stuff for more chaos stuff. The chosen armor really looks great I can't wait to put some paint to them.
Or you could convert the loyalists into traitors.
CSM are traitor marines after all.
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Post by: drbored
The video is promising, but like others have said, they'll probably have another video featuring Dark Angels.
Yet.. they might not.
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Post by: Brometheus
I'm with you, drbored...
Please have chaos spring up soon, GW
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Post by: airmang
They better have a ton of the Limited Ed starters cause it's going to be a madhouse at many FLGS if it's out a week before the "normal" one.
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Post by: Nuclear Mekanik
 airmang wrote:They better have a ton of the Limited Ed starters cause it's going to be a madhouse at many FLGS if it's out a week before the "normal" one.
I'm pretty confident GW will be keen to capitalise on early sales, by having plenty of boxes out there for you to buy.
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Post by: ceorron
Has anyone else noticed but GW must have had a reshuffle of the website and Black Templars and Dark Angles are now listed under Space Marines (on their own page next to heavy support etc.. I might add).
Possible given this that they maybe both rolled into the new Space Marine codex?
Sorry if this has been like it for a long time (or always) I have only just noticed.
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Post by: Doomhunter
Its been like that for a while.
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Post by: Brother SRM
drbored wrote:The video is promising, but like others have said, they'll probably have another video featuring Dark Angels.
Yet.. they might not.
They already did. It came out last week or so.
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
 ceorron wrote:Has anyone else noticed but GW must have had a reshuffle of the website and Black Templars and Dark Angles are now listed under Space Marines (on their own page next to heavy support etc.. I might add).
Possible given this that they maybe both rolled into the new Space Marine codex?
Sorry if this has been like it for a long time (or always) I have only just noticed.
That's been that way for a while.
However BT are most certainly going to be part of the next Vanilla Codex. They are the only chapter that has it's own codex currently that is not given it's own page(s) in the miniatures section of the brb. Instead it is rolled into a half page in the Space Marines showcase section. Hopefully the new SM codex will have more Chapter Specific sections and so the Templars won't lose all their flavour, or perhaps they are going to get extensive WD treatment but so far it's not looking good for the BT.
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Post by: SpitfireArsonist
 OverwatchCNC wrote: ceorron wrote:Has anyone else noticed but GW must have had a reshuffle of the website and Black Templars and Dark Angles are now listed under Space Marines (on their own page next to heavy support etc.. I might add). Possible given this that they maybe both rolled into the new Space Marine codex? Sorry if this has been like it for a long time (or always) I have only just noticed.
That's been that way for a while. However BT are most certainly going to be part of the next Vanilla Codex. They are the only chapter that has it's own codex currently that is not given it's own page(s) in the miniatures section of the brb. Instead it is rolled into a half page in the Space Marines showcase section. Hopefully the new SM codex will have more Chapter Specific sections and so the Templars won't lose all their flavour, or perhaps they are going to get extensive WD treatment but so far it's not looking good for the BT.
It will be a sad day if the BT lose their independence and get re-rolled into the SM codex. My buddy plays them and I'm sure he'll be pretty upset by this.
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Post by: Kanluwen
OverwatchCNC wrote: ceorron wrote:Has anyone else noticed but GW must have had a reshuffle of the website and Black Templars and Dark Angles are now listed under Space Marines (on their own page next to heavy support etc.. I might add).
Possible given this that they maybe both rolled into the new Space Marine codex?
Sorry if this has been like it for a long time (or always) I have only just noticed.
That's been that way for a while.
However BT are most certainly going to be part of the next Vanilla Codex. They are the only chapter that has it's own codex currently that is not given it's own page(s) in the miniatures section of the brb. Instead it is rolled into a half page in the Space Marines showcase section. Hopefully the new SM codex will have more Chapter Specific sections and so the Templars won't lose all their flavour, or perhaps they are going to get extensive WD treatment but so far it's not looking good for the BT.
Do you have any evidence on this outside of unfounded speculation?
Dark Angels and Black Templars are part of the "main" Space Marine section, like Blood Angels and Space Wolves were before receiving their current books. When we see the new books come out and the lines fleshed out more, it's likely we will see them given their own sections.
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Post by: wana10
Don't Dark Angels and Black Templars both have their own lines on the allies matrix? seems odd they would fold them back in after that but GW has done weirder things before...
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
 Kanluwen wrote: OverwatchCNC wrote: ceorron wrote:Has anyone else noticed but GW must have had a reshuffle of the website and Black Templars and Dark Angles are now listed under Space Marines (on their own page next to heavy support etc.. I might add).
Possible given this that they maybe both rolled into the new Space Marine codex?
Sorry if this has been like it for a long time (or always) I have only just noticed.
That's been that way for a while.
However BT are most certainly going to be part of the next Vanilla Codex. They are the only chapter that has it's own codex currently that is not given it's own page(s) in the miniatures section of the brb. Instead it is rolled into a half page in the Space Marines showcase section. Hopefully the new SM codex will have more Chapter Specific sections and so the Templars won't lose all their flavour, or perhaps they are going to get extensive WD treatment but so far it's not looking good for the BT.
Do you have any evidence on this outside of unfounded speculation?
Dark Angels and Black Templars are part of the "main" Space Marine section, like Blood Angels and Space Wolves were before receiving their current books. When we see the new books come out and the lines fleshed out more, it's likely we will see them given their own sections.
The evidence is right there in the Miniatures showcase section of the 6th edition BRB p. 246. DA are not part of the "main" Space Marine section; they have their own p. 252.
p. 187 has all of the separate codex chapters listed except the BT, but has their progenitor chapter the Imperial Fists.
It certainly isn't hard evidence but it's there. I will be more than pleased to be proven wrong but that's not how I see it going. Automatically Appended Next Post:  wana10 wrote:Don't Dark Angels and Black Templars both have their own lines on the allies matrix? seems odd they would fold them back in after that but GW has done weirder things before...
Good point, I had missed that.
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Post by: blood lance
ceorron wrote:Has anyone else noticed but GW must have had a reshuffle of the website and Black Templars and Dark Angles are now listed under Space Marines (on their own page next to heavy support etc.. I might add).
Possible given this that they maybe both rolled into the new Space Marine codex?
Sorry if this has been like it for a long time (or always) I have only just noticed.
I noticed that like two years ago IIRC
It has been like that a while yes.
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Post by: Harriticus
Only Space Marines with 5th edition codex's get their own sections on GW. Though really all the MEQ should be one codex except Grey Knights, but that's a different topic...
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Post by: Compel
I'm almost certain the Black Templars will be in codex marines.
Though I can imagine they'll end up keeping some semi unique units / rules.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
 Compel wrote:I'm almost certain the Black Templars will be in codex marines.
Though I can imagine they'll end up keeping some semi unique units / rules.
Only GW made it abundantly clear they're not going to squat any army that currently has a standalone codex. Merging BTs into the main SM book goes directly against that.
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Post by: UltraPrime
 His Master's Voice wrote: Compel wrote:I'm almost certain the Black Templars will be in codex marines.
Though I can imagine they'll end up keeping some semi unique units / rules.
Only GW made it abundantly clear they're not going to squat any army that currently has a standalone codex. Merging BTs into the main SM book goes directly against that.
This argument has been going round in circles for a lifetime now. Can't we at least keep it in it's own topic?
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Post by: Some_Call_Me_Tim?
Man, I'm really surprised the set is only $100...I was expecting it to be in the $125-$150 range. For once I can honestly say: good on you, GW!
Of course, they will just start the price hikes after it has been out for a couple of months...
_Tim?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:Man, I'm really surprised the set is only $100...I was expecting it to be in the $125-$150 range.
Spare a thought for people in our part of the world, who probably will be paying $150-$175 for the same thing.
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Post by: warboss
His Master's Voice wrote: Compel wrote:I'm almost certain the Black Templars will be in codex marines. Though I can imagine they'll end up keeping some semi unique units / rules.
Only GW made it abundantly clear they're not going to squat any army that currently has a standalone codex. Merging BTs into the main SM book goes directly against that.
Doing so doesn't "squat" anything. The entire line of Black Templar minis save for maybe a few of the chaplains entourage is usable under the current vanilla marine codex and largely follow the same rules with the same equipment and almost identical stats using almost entirely the same model range; if they did fold them BACK into vanilla marines (which is where they STARTED), you'd likely get some of the items/rules/characters you'd currently use back leaving you lacking almost nothing. Squats are not playable unless you use a different race with different weapons/stats/upgrades/rules/figs. Please don't blindly equate the two as they would be completely different situations.
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Post by: Brother SRM
They're not removing DA or BTs from the game, or rolling them up into the Space Marine codex. They're under the Space Marine section on GW's website, which Space Wolves and Blood Angels used to be before their 5th ed codices. The DA and BT have been there since the site's beginning.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I heard they're removing Tau from the game.
No... wait... I want them to remove Tau from the game. I got mixed up again. Sorry!
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Post by: nellis14
dark angels and black templar feature heavily in alot of GW book inculding the new rule book so no they will not be taken away as armys besides dark angels are awesome and still pretty popular
also the new painting kits have dark angel marines in it =p
i just cant wait for a revamped terminator sprue or conversion part =]
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
$108 for the special edition? I can work with that. Gimme!
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Just realised on the blog with the chosen artwork, they say there will be several more videos. Apart from the DA one, what else are they doing a video for?
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Post by: Nuclear Mekanik
I may have missed this earlier so apologies in that case, but I can't be bothered to trawl back through all 38 pages of this thread... I know we're expecting a CSM codex this year, potentially and by the majority of rumours by the end of September. Are we expecting a DA codex any time soon?? The current one is what, 3rd or 4th ed still? Forgive me if I'm wrong... just asking as I definitely prefer the DA side of the new starter box and fancy a new smallish (1200-1500pt) DA army, but don't currently own the codex and would wait until it was updated if we're expecting it in the next 6 months or so. 
Thanks!!
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Nuclear Mekanik wrote:I may have missed this earlier so apologies in that case, but I can't be bothered to trawl back through all 38 pages of this thread... I know we're expecting a CSM codex this year, potentially and by the majority of rumours by the end of September. Are we expecting a DA codex any time soon?? The current one is what, 3rd or 4th ed still? Forgive me if I'm wrong... just asking as I definitely prefer the DA side of the new starter box and fancy a new smallish (1200-1500pt) DA army, but don't currently own the codex and would wait until it was updated if we're expecting it in the next 6 months or so.
Thanks!!
Rumor says there's a DA 'dex inbound October time frame.
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Post by: timd
unmercifulconker wrote:Just realised on the blog with the chosen artwork, they say there will be several more videos. Apart from the DA one, what else are they doing a video for?
Well, they might actually show a few miniatures from the starter set...
Tim
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Post by: WarOne
Holy crap!
When did they start wanting to remove armies? Are the Tau underperforming so much in sales that they'll remove them to focus on their core armies?
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Post by: asimo77
Sorry if this is a dumb question but is the Chaos Lord in power armour or termie armour? I can't really tell from the pics.
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Post by: insaniak
WarOne wrote:
Holy crap!
When did they start wanting to remove armies? Are the Tau underperforming so much in sales that they'll remove them to focus on their core armies?
It was a joke... Automatically Appended Next Post:  asimo77 wrote:Sorry if this is a dumb question but is the Chaos Lord in power armour or termie armour? I can't really tell from the pics.
The backpack and the lack of hood says power armour.
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Post by: asimo77
Ok thanks for the info!
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Post by: Moopy
Love the "Don't you DARE leak this!! >: O " message on the bottom... leaked to the world.
Screw your policy GW- some year you'll realize you can't control this. Just knock it off an keep making awesome figures.
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Post by: NimbleJack3
I am absolutely stoked for the arrival of proper Cultist miniatures! I can finally have proper Necromunda figures, as well as possibly DH models.
I can't find a price in the OP, but here and there in the last couple pages the Limited Edition has been quoted with a pricetag of $108 - what currency is this, and how accurate is the figure?
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Post by: Starfarer
 NimbleJack3 wrote:I am absolutely stoked for the arrival of proper Cultist miniatures! I can finally have proper Necromunda figures, as well as possibly DH models.
I can't find a price in the OP, but here and there in the last couple pages the Limited Edition has been quoted with a pricetag of $108 - what currency is this, and how accurate is the figure?
$107 USD for the limited edition(includes the Interrogator Chaplain limited model), $99.99 USD for the standard.
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Post by: NimbleJack3
That's AUD$102 and AUD$95, respectively. However, there will probably be the usual ridiculous Australian markup.
Thanks for the info.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah. Expect AUD$150 for the regular and $175 for the Ltd Ed.
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Post by: Red Corsair
lord_blackfang wrote:Oh, are we back to guessing stuff we already know?
The set is £65, €85, preorders on the 25th.
EDIT: And Hellbrutes are BS4.
Well, that's it for the nonsense in the last few posts, at least.
I have seen nothing in the rumors to suggest it will be BS4..... The current trend is Demonic possession of vehicles reduces their BS to 3 so I really don't think the flyer or hellbrute or the other engines will be very accurate to compensate for that frightening amount of fire power.
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Post by: Lucarikx
The Ltd. Edition is only $7.01 more than the regular? Boo yah! 
Lucarikx
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Post by: daedalus
Just finally read the OP. Them's some nice Necromunda figs on the Chaos side...
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Post by: DeffDred
Thne chosen models are OTT. I hape future models for chaos are just as detailed otherwise they will look a little "too" chosen IMHO.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
 Red Corsair wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:Oh, are we back to guessing stuff we already know?
The set is £65, €85, preorders on the 25th.
EDIT: And Hellbrutes are BS4.
Well, that's it for the nonsense in the last few posts, at least.
I have seen nothing in the rumors to suggest it will be BS4..... The current trend is Demonic possession of vehicles reduces their BS to 3 so I really don't think the flyer or hellbrute or the other engines will be very accurate to compensate for that frightening amount of fire power.
bolo wrote:Tod wrote:Do you think the hellbrute will have stats like a dreadnought or a dreadknight?
Here you go:
Hellbrute
120pts base
Type: Walker
Rules: Rampage
Armour: F12 S12 R10
WS4 BS4 S6 I4
Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter); Because it is a Walker, it does not strike at I1.
Multi-Melta can be swapped for
Butcher Cannon, or
Twin Reaper Autocannons, or
Twin-linked Lascannon, or
Twin-linked Heavy Flamer.
Combi-Bolter can be swapped for Meltagun or Heavy Flamer.
Mark of Khorne: Rage USR
Mark of Nurgle: At the beginning of the turn, a D6 result of 5+ restores a Hull Point, OR can repair a immobilised / weapon destroyed.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic Scream (offensive & defensive grenades)
Mark of Tzeench: Flame weapons (if equipped) gain +1 strength and -1 AP (AP4 becomes AP3, etc)
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Post by: Grey Templar
I'm going to start a Nurgle army. And every time my Cultists take an objective I'm going to say "HWEEEE KAPTURED EEET FOR KAOSSSSS!!!"
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Welp Chaos now officially has it's annoying battlecry. So that's one benny of the set. Edit: You know I'm really starting to think that GW's secrecy policy is a giant frigging marketing ploy. They have a veil of secrecy, occasionally publicly "crush" an employee who was leaving for another opportunity and will still have a good review and feeds a variety of real and false leads to the various tipsters to whip us all into a frenzy.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Better then the DA battlecry
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Hey now, Azarel's last poem was quite excellent I thought.
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Post by: Brother SRM
It's from Dawn of War 1. Hardly news!
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Post by: lunarman
Any word on what slot hellbrutes are? Heavy support or elites?
I have a feeling there won't be enough slots in this chaos codex!
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Post by: Rex-Nine
The hellbrute is going to be the first thing I paint when I get the set, I don't even play chaos but it looks awesome!
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Post by: brentyboi
Red Corsair wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:Oh, are we back to guessing stuff we already know?
The set is £65, €85, preorders on the 25th.
EDIT: And Hellbrutes are BS4.
Well, that's it for the nonsense in the last few posts, at least.
I have seen nothing in the rumors to suggest it will be BS4..... The current trend is Demonic possession of vehicles reduces their BS to 3 so I really don't think the flyer or hellbrute or the other engines will be very accurate to compensate for that frightening amount of fire power.
Yes, but damonic possesion is virtually useless in the new rules as glancing hits aren't ignored 2/3 of the time. They just remove a hull point. IMO unless daemonic possesion gets better or cheaper the -1BS isnt viable when compared to boggo exta armour.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
I'll be there, if these things are BS4 and i can give him a Butcher cannon......
I'm buying 3
Replace the Multimelta for a Butcher cannon to pop the tanks, and then run around with Mark of Tzeentch and a heavy flamer powerfist.
Or if i want to go combat, give him rage and just charge him into a mob of orks. Hooray for Rampage !
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Post by: Praxiss
Looks like i have some converting to do on my Dreads.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Hastings confirmed that we will see both a CSM and Dark Angel Codex this year, CSM in late September and DA in November (and a Tau Codex and then Eldar Codex after the double Chaos Daemons release)
H.B.M.C. wrote:I heard they're removing Tau from the game.
No... wait... I want them to remove Tau from the game. I got mixed up again. Sorry!
*Blows pheromones in H.B.M.C.'s direction*
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Post by: aka_mythos
 brentyboi wrote: Red Corsair wrote:...I have seen nothing in the rumors to suggest it will be BS4..... The current trend is Demonic possession of vehicles reduces their BS to 3 so I really don't think the flyer or hellbrute or the other engines will be very accurate to compensate for that frightening amount of fire power.
Yes, but damonic possesion is virtually useless in the new rules as glancing hits aren't ignored 2/3 of the time. They just remove a hull point. IMO unless daemonic possesion gets better or cheaper the -1BS isnt viable when compared to boggo exta armour.
The hellbrute still has a chaos space marine at its heart so thats justifiably why it has BS4... as opposed to normal daemonic possession that replaces a vehicles crew. Next I'm pretty sure the rumor was that Daemonic possession also conveys the "It will not die" USR,,, regenerating hull points.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Sure, but now there's actual cultists to encourage table top use.
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Post by: nos
Choas is looking awesome! Can't wait to start them! must...wait...till....6th!
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Post by: RiTides
There's no way GW would gimp that shiny new model with BS3 anyway, imo . They'll want to be selling loads of 'em.
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Post by: nos
anyone have the price yet? i skimmed (when i say skimmed i mean going through 39 pages is a hard task haha) through this thread and i couldn't see any definite answer. hoping it stays the same price (or less!) as Assault on Black Reach
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Post by: d-usa
Been mentioned a couple of times in the last few pages actually.
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Post by: hal9000
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/08/breaking-40k-dark-vengeance-prices.html
PRICES ARE OUT! Automatically Appended Next Post:  nos wrote:anyone have the price yet? i skimmed (when i say skimmed i mean going through 39 pages is a hard task haha) through this thread and i couldn't see any definite answer. hoping it stays the same price (or less!) as Assault on Black Reach
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/08/breaking-40k-dark-vengeance-prices.html
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Post by: sierra 1247
and thats where this months wages are going
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Post by: nos
hal9000 wrote:http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/08/breaking- 40k-dark-vengeance-prices.html
PRICES ARE OUT!
Sweet jesus! Thank you!
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Post by: FirePainter
Silly work blocks not letting me see bols. I am disappoint...Vengeance will come!!!!
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Post by: WarOne
107 USD starter deluxe, 99 USD normal starter
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Post by: Kroothawk
mikhaila wrote:Confirmed the Sep. 1st date with my rep just now. (...)
Cost in the US is 99.99 for the basic set available after Sept 7th.
The first run will be 108.00 and contain a limited edition Dark Angels interegator chaplain.
Kroothawk wrote:REDEATH over at Warseer wrote:60010199006 40-15-60 Warhammer 40,000: Dark Vengeance (English) - Special Edition 49 Fig Box, Rulepack, Dice, Measures, Templates 1-Sep-12 $107.00 USD $128.00 CAD
70100181219 BL862 Dark Vengeance: The Novel (Nth America) 126 page hardback novel 1-Sep-12 $19.99 USD $22.50 CAD
70680181034 BL856 The Acsension of Balthazar (Nth America) Double pack Audio CD 1-Sep-12 $21.99 $25.00
60010199007 40-01-60 Warhammer 40,000: Dark Vengeance (English) 48 Fig Box, Rulepack, Dice, Measures, Templates 8-Sep-12 $99.00 USD $119.00 CAD
99230199006 Dark Vengeance Figure Case 1 Figure Case with Custom Cut Foam 1-Sep-12 $66.00 USD $79.00 CAD
There is a limited edition stater set release!!!
It comes out 1 week early; It will start shipping on Monday, August 27th
Exclusive to the limited edition is a plastic Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
It has a hard street date of September 1st.
The Dark Vengeance starter set will be available for order starting Tuesday, September 4th
This does not have a hard street date.
hal9000 wrote:http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/08/breaking-40k-dark-vengeance-prices.html
PRICES ARE OUT!
Good to know that BOLS finally had the time to read Dakka and Warseer
Remember: If BOLS doesn't quote sources, it is 97% taken from Warseer or Dakka.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And it's 99% a week or two after everyone else knows.
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Post by: filbert
So nearly £65 for a starter set? Assuming the UK prices are broadly in line with the US ones?
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Post by: Griever
Wow $100 is pretty damn cheap for what that has. I can get two for $150.
feth, they're pulling me back in....
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Post by: baneofmorgoth
That Helbrute looks astounding!! MUST HAVE THOSE CHOSEN. That Chaplain is pretty damn awesome.
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Post by: Phragonist
what does a butcher cannon do? My googlefu needs work, I can't find its stats anywhere
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Post by: daedalus-templarius
Omg give me that chaos set!
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Post by: kronk
 Phragonist wrote:what does a butcher cannon do? My googlefu needs work, I can't find its stats anywhere
It's a new weapon. Check out the Decimator pdf
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Post by: Skinless2
Well now I have to find someone who wants to trade their chaos models for the DA when I get my box.
why do I get the "It will be a cold day in hell before that happens" vibe?
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
 filbert wrote:So nearly £65 for a starter set? Assuming the UK prices are broadly in line with the US ones?
Supposed to be £65, and £70 for the limited edition....
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Post by: Gravity
Same here, need to trade those DA models. Anyone?
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Post by: Brother SRM
There've been conflicting rumors that the Chaplain is limited edition to just the box set, or that he'll be released later in his own blister with the DA release. Has anyone reputable chimed in on this? I might not have the scratch to get a box for myself and split a second box at release, but I'd like to get the Chappy if I can.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
 Brother SRM wrote:There've been conflicting rumors that the Chaplain is limited edition to just the box set, or that he'll be released later in his own blister with the DA release. Has anyone reputable chimed in on this? I might not have the scratch to get a box for myself and split a second box at release, but I'd like to get the Chappy if I can.
WD says he's exclusive. Like, in the first post.
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Post by: Kanluwen
lord_blackfang wrote: Brother SRM wrote:There've been conflicting rumors that the Chaplain is limited edition to just the box set, or that he'll be released later in his own blister with the DA release. Has anyone reputable chimed in on this? I might not have the scratch to get a box for myself and split a second box at release, but I'd like to get the Chappy if I can.
WD says he's exclusive. Like, in the first post.
WD says he's "limited edition".
Which, for a plastic miniature, makes no sense.
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Post by: Brother SRM
lord_blackfang wrote: Brother SRM wrote:There've been conflicting rumors that the Chaplain is limited edition to just the box set, or that he'll be released later in his own blister with the DA release. Has anyone reputable chimed in on this? I might not have the scratch to get a box for myself and split a second box at release, but I'd like to get the Chappy if I can.
WD says he's exclusive. Like, in the first post.
It says "Limited Edition" over his model, so I guess that does answer my question; I've just heard some conflicting reports and I'd like to know. Also, I would hope that GW's first foray into plastic clamshell characters for 40k wouldn't be limited to 3000 figures, as that really bites.
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Post by: Synister_Intent
Well I guess it is official, lol, even after all the leaked pictures, AoBR is no longer available on GWs website.
EDIT- Well sort of, you can search for it and its there but there is no longer a tab for it under the Warhammer 40k heading.
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Post by: BladeWalker
No hurry to get this for me, but good to see it coming out and paving the way for CSM... probably grab it after the first of the year when my wallet recovers from Chaos and Christmas!
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Kanluwen wrote:
WD says he's "limited edition".
Which, for a plastic miniature, makes no sense.
Let me remind you there were two single-model sprues released for AoBR, except they were free with WD.
If you're thinking of mold costs, it's hardly an issue. They put the limited edition model on the starter set mold and plug that area when they don't want to cast him any more.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
I really hate to be "one of those guys", but why the hell would you ever make a plastic model Limited Edition in the first place, after the cost of design and the mold manufacture for a limited run figure?
But the again, the question of why every single of these boxed sets sold during 6e doesn't contain the Interrogator Chaplain is right up there with why they haven't been making and selling bunches of copies of Space Hulk for the last several years.
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Post by: Red Corsair
 aka_mythos wrote: brentyboi wrote: Red Corsair wrote:...I have seen nothing in the rumors to suggest it will be BS4..... The current trend is Demonic possession of vehicles reduces their BS to 3 so I really don't think the flyer or hellbrute or the other engines will be very accurate to compensate for that frightening amount of fire power.
Yes, but damonic possesion is virtually useless in the new rules as glancing hits aren't ignored 2/3 of the time. They just remove a hull point. IMO unless daemonic possesion gets better or cheaper the -1BS isnt viable when compared to boggo exta armour.
The hellbrute still has a chaos space marine at its heart so thats justifiably why it has BS4... as opposed to normal daemonic possession that replaces a vehicles crew. Next I'm pretty sure the rumor was that Daemonic possession also conveys the "It will not die" USR,,, regenerating hull points.
Thanks for those who clarified this. I thought I saw it as well but some of these rumors are all mixed up. This is an interesting take, in the segment posted it didn't actually list the hellbrute as being demonically possessed. I just assumed given the way that new model looks. I would assume as well that you can still purchase DP and it will give ignores shaken/stunned and a 5++ hopefully. I would also assume that it still lowers the BS to 3 upon purchasing it, like the old version simply because I doubt they will change the defiler to BS4. Just my assumptions but this will seriously tone down the various demon engines shooting prowess quite a bit if they are all BS3 if possessed. Otherwise butcher canons are going to replace psybolt as the new cheese, as an old school player I'd rather avoid the bandwagon stigma from OP rules.
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Post by: alarmingrick
So, no new terrain?
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Post by: thenoobbomb
I dont like how the SM are chapter specific.
Not cool.
\Although the models are nice.
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Post by: CrashCanuck
Red Corsair wrote:[
Thanks for those who clarified this. I thought I saw it as well but some of these rumors are all mixed up. This is an interesting take, in the segment posted it didn't actually list the hellbrute as being demonically possessed. I just assumed given the way that new model looks. I would assume as well that you can still purchase DP and it will give ignores shaken/stunned and a 5++ hopefully. I would also assume that it still lowers the BS to 3 upon purchasing it, like the old version simply because I doubt they will change the defiler to BS4. Just my assumptions but this will seriously tone down the various demon engines shooting prowess quite a bit if they are all BS3 if possessed. Otherwise butcher canons are going to replace psybolt as the new cheese, as an old school player I'd rather avoid the bandwagon stigma from OP rules.
I imagine the Hellbrute might be more like a Chaos Dreadnought that has contracted some form of the Oblitorator virus
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Post by: Brother SRM
Nope, we haven't gotten terrain in a starter since 4th edition 40k.
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Post by: Bloodwin
I would expect the limited edition character to be in the 'black box' at launch then for them to do a regular looking box with 'normal' artwork and no chaplain. I'd assume the chaplain would then be available separately for the usual £9. So the limited edition might seem light a 'bargain' in a few months. I'm looking forward to future characters for 40k as the Fantasy ones have been excellent so far.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The Chaplain is not only LE but also exclusive, so no.
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