6th Edition Box Set Discussion - preorder info Aug 24

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**Vampirate of Sartosa**

But the point is that other reliable rumour-mongers have said that it matches what they know, as well as other things (like LOTR stuff that would only be known by people who were in close contact with the films).

**Squigsquasher**

Actually they still sell these horrble metal deffcoptas. Check under the Fast Attack section in the Ork product list.

**Vhalyar**

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:
But the point is that other reliable rumour-mongers have said that it matches what they know, as well as other things (like LOTR stuff that would only be known by people who were in close contact with the films).

Stickmonkey's agreed with Hastings and Harry's admitted that the list didn't feel right. As for the LOTR stuff, exactly. No one has any information on it, aka anyone can invent stuff if they have passable book knowledge.
Just saying, it's not looking good at all for that list.

**Crimson**

Vhalyar wrote:

Stickmonkey's agreed with Hastings and Harry's admitted that the list didn't feel right. As for the LOTR stuff, exactly. No one has any information on it, aka anyone can invent stuff if they have passable book knowledge.
Just saying, it's not looking good at all for that list.

I knew plasic SoB was too good to be true...

**kitch102**

Yep, looks like I'm starting Chaos... those DA will make a good addition to my Sons of Dorn 7th Company too, exciting stuff!

**Kid_Kyoto**

Vhalyar wrote:
Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:
But the point is that other reliable rumour-mongers have said that it matches what they know, as well as other things (like LOTR stuff that would only be known by people who were in close contact with the films).

Stickmonkey's agreed with Hastings and Harry's admitted that the list didn't feel right. As for the LOTR stuff, exactly. No one has any information on it, aka anyone can invent stuff if they have passable book knowledge.
Just saying, it's not looking good at all for that list.

I dunno the fact that we could take apart the product codes to get place of manufacture, game system and even a check digit makes me believe it. That's a lot of work for a detail a hoaxer could have omitted.

I'm a firm believer in human laziness.

JB

timd wrote:
Have any of the starter box figures (not scenery) ever been released as a separate box set? Don't think so...

The only unit that I can remember was the Orc Boar Chariot for WHFB. It came out in a starter set and then in a separate box as well.

The Forest Goblin spider riders were close but there were differences between the models in the starter set and the separate box.

I agree with you though that the cultists will be a separate plastic boxed set with more customizable models than those in the starter set.

**djphranq**

Alright! More pictures! Everything so far looks wicked boss awesome. I'm really digging the DA stuff. I just wish there were more robes involved... but the lack of robes is probably to make conversions easier or something.

The Chaos stuff looks pretty good too, though I'm not really feeling the Cultists... they seem to much like 'Dark Eldar' type guys. If I include cultists in my lists I'd rather go with the Forgeworld upgrade kits or Catachan/Marauder hybrids.

**kitch102**

Do we know if these are snap fit models yet?

**Darklight**

adamsouza wrote:
bolo wrote:
Tod wrote:Do you think the hellbrute will have stats like a dreadnought or a dreadknight?

Here you go:

Hellbrute

120pts base

Type: Walker
Rules: Rampage

Armour: F12 S12 R10
WS4 BS4 S6 I4

Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter); Because it is a Walker, it does not strike at I1.

Multi-Melta can be swapped for
Butcher Cannon, or
Twin Reaper Autocannons, or
Twin-linked Lascannon, or
Twin-linked Heavy Flamer.

Combi-Bolter can be swapped for Meltagun or Heavy Flamer.

Mark of Khorne: Rage USR
Mark of Nurgle: At the beginning of the turn, a D6 result of 5+ restores a Hull Point, OR can repair a immobilised / weapon destroyed.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic Scream (offensive & defensive grenades)
Mark of Tzeench: Flame weapons (if equipped) gain +1 strength and -1 AP (AP4 becomes AP3, etc)

Just seems like a demon piloted Dread to me, which I'm fine with.

Thank You. Where are you getting this stat information? Do you have access to the boxed set?

**Kanluwen**

JB wrote:

The only unit that I can remember was the Orc Boar Chariot for WHFB. It came out in a starter set and then in a separate box as well.

The Forest Goblin spider riders were close but there were differences between the models in the starter set and the separate box.

I agree with you though that the cultists will be a separate plastic boxed set with more customizable models than those in the starter set.

The Lothern Sea Guard from IoB are available by themselves.

You only receive the "normal" infantry, and the command units are not available for sale outside of the box.

**H.B.M.C.**

Bits & Kits have taken the initiative and started doing pre-orders on the models from the kit. I ‘spose it’s a good indicator of what they’ll need, and saves you waiting for each stock update.

So I’ve ordered my Cultists – enough to flood the table! With the recent stash of Necromunda weapons I got, plus my existing small-arms bits, I should be able to convert these guys to anything!

**Deadshot**

lord_blackfang wrote:
timd wrote:
insaniak wrote:

timd wrote:
If the Chaos Cultists are in the Chaos codex, they will have to release a box set of Chaos Cultists pretty quickly ...

Like they did with the Deffcopta?

How long after the box set release was the Deffcopter released separately (I don't follow Orks...)?

Well, the starter is now OOP and the Deffkoptas still aren't sold separately. so...

You can still get those crapass twinbladed ones GW sells. But that's why Starter sets sell so well, because they sell unique models that look far better than the actual models, at least concerning the Koptas. The Dread has a MM arm which is good too.

**Vhalyar**

JB wrote:
timd wrote:
Have any of the starter box figures (not scenery) ever been released as a separate box set? Don't think so...

The only unit that I can remember was the Orc Boar Chariot for WHFB. It came out in a starter set and then in a separate box as well./quote]

HE Sea Guard?

**Deadshot**

Vhalyar wrote:
JB wrote:
timd wrote:
Have any of the starter box figures (not scenery) ever been released as a separate box set? Don't think so...

The only unit that I can remember was the Orc Boar Chariot for WHFB. It came out in a starter set and then in a separate box as well./quote]

HE Sea Guard?

AFAIK all the 40k Starter sets have been released in plastic or metal (and converted to FC) with exception to the limited edition characters.

4th ed Battle for Maccrage
Genestealers yes
Termagants yes
Tac Squad Yes
Spore Mines (part of biovore or as single metal kit but yes)

5th ed
Tac Squad Yes
Termies yes
Dread (without MM but hell) yes
Captain (with options for Bolter and PS) yes
Nobs yes
Boyz yes
Warboss (several different kits in metal/FC) yes
Deffkoptas (crap twinbladed chairs but yes).

Most likely there will be a Chaos Cultist kit, with options for Pistol/CCW or Autogun, plus a champion.
There will be a PA lord/sorceror kit like the commander
Chosen will get a kit
A note on these, the guy with dual LC, I don't like him. He has Imperial style LC, knuckle mounts. I love the style CSM have with the claws.
Hellbrutes will get a kit similar to the dread, with no MM option so there is reason to get the Starter kit one
Deathwing can be converted using a conversion sprue and reg Termies but they might get their own kit
Same deal with Ravenwing
Libbies have several FC models
As do Chaplains however he is one badass guy
Company Master is just a fancy captain and there is a FC kit
Tac Squad as above

**Squigsquasher**

Deadshot wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
timd wrote:
insaniak wrote:

timd wrote:
If the Chaos Cultists are in the Chaos codex, they will have to release a box set of Chaos Cultists pretty quickly ...

Like they did with the Deffcopta?

How long after the box set release was the Deffcopter released separately (I don't follow Orks...)?

Well, the starter is now OOP and the Deffkoptas still aren't sold separately. so...

You can still get those crapass twinbladed ones GW sells. But that's why Starter sets sell so well, because they sell unique models that look far better than the actual models, at least concerning the Koptas. The Dread has a MM arm which is good too.

Shame the AOBR Dreadnought was so ugly and lazy. Just do away with the gap between the sarcophagus and waist why don't you GW...Ugh.

If I ever want to take a Space Marine Dreadnought with a Multi Melta I'm going for Forge World.

**UltraPrime**

Been away for weekend, so just catching up. Very impressed!

Now, as for sculpted detail. Doesn't surprise me at all. You don't play DAs? No problem! We have rules for allies now!

**Deadshot**

UltraPrime wrote:
Been away for weekend, so just catching up. Very impressed!

Now, as for sculpted detail. Doesn't surprise me at all. You don't play DAs? No problem! We have rules for allies now!

That was exactly the reason for including Allies at all.

" I wants the new starter kit to bulk out my Ultramarines!"
"Cool! But its DA"
"Oh."
GW- "Don't worry, You can still but them and use them! As Allies!"
"Allies?"
"Yes! Allies! They join your army as friends and you can paint them right and buy more SM to get your needs as well! So now you have to buy the DA codex! And in a few months you'll have to buy a new codex!

Wait, there's.more. Now you have a small Chaos army! Now, you could sell those on to fund the other purchases! OR you could keep those, bulk it out with Berserkers or Thousand suns to use as Troops in the 4th ed codex you'll have to buy! And then in few months time we will give you the new codex in return for your last coins!"

Then the GW executives turn to the marketing director who has given the demonstration.
"This is brilliant! Get Ward and Cruddace on this now! Kelly gets writing the Chaos Dex now, Ward on DA! And remember, if any of this leaks we send out the Flesh Hounds to sniff around!"

**Grey Templar**

Somehow I imagine the GW headquarters is an exact copypaste of the nameless company in the Dilbert comics.

Or maybe the Dilbert company IS Gamesworkshop

**Starfarer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bits & Kits have taken the initiative and started doing pre-orders on the models from the kit. I ‘spose it’s a good indicator of what they’ll need, and saves you waiting for each stock update.

So I’ve ordered my Cultists – enough to flood the table! With the recent stash of Necromunda weapons I got, plus my existing small-arms bits, I should be able to convert these guys to anything!

At first I was wondering why anyone would the crazy mark up for those cultists, then realized they must not really be that bad considered Australia's GW prices.

**H.B.M.C.**

10 Guardsmen = $48 AUD from GWOZ.
20 Cultists = $38 AUD from B&K.

I don’t see a downside. In fact, all I see are Cultists. 60 of them. To go with the 20 I’ll get when I buy a single copy of the starter box.

**Starfarer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
10 Guardsmen = $48 AUD from GWOZ.
20 Cultists = $38 AUD from B&K.

I don’t see a downside. In fact, all I see are Cultists. 60 of them. To go with the 20 I’ll get when I buy a single copy of the starter box.

I'm not saying there is a downside for you, other than GW charging crazy prices to Australians. The facepalm was for GW, not you.

I'm saying £25 for the cultists is nearly half the price of the starter set is USD.

**H.B.M.C.**

True, but value is relative in some cases. Yes, it is half the price of the starter kit, and I’d be getting better ‘value’ if I just bought three starter kits. But then I’d have 3 identical Hellbeasts, 3 identical Chaos Lords, 3 identical Terminator Squads and so on. That’s not what I want.

I’ll admit that this is 100% a personal preference thing, but I hate having spare models. It’s the reason why I never bought a second 5th starter – I didn’t want 2 of the Marine Captain or another Tactical Squad. So I bitz ordered the extra Orks I wanted. Same goes for the Battle for McDonald’s box – I didn’t want another bunch of Marines, or a second one of that ship pilot (or even a second set of crashed Lander terrain). I did want more Spore Mines though, so I just bought those, and another 20 or so of those great 2-piece Termagants.

I really don’t want duplicates of those Chosen (other than maybe one extra of each Bolter Marine). I have no need for more Tactical Marines. I want oodles of Cultists though, as I don’t mind the duplication there (and I can convert the Champs easily enough to make ‘em different – ditto for the heavy weapon guys).

**jedi76**

like this sooo much better than AOBR. I havnt messed with GW much last 3 years but i am really digging this set. It has that apocalyptic war in heaven angels vs demons feel to it that originally got me into 40k.

The chosen and lord are really badass looking. If i get this i'll have to decide if i want to start DA or paint them to my crimson hawks chapter scheme. perfectly viable with all the feathers/wings on them

I wonder if the limited edition sets will be more expensive?

**-Loki-**

What I find amusing after all this love of this set is the griping over the original rumour about it being power armour vs power armour, even with non power armoured cultists.

What a difference fantastic models makes.

**Deadshot**

Question, what's the difference between the Limited and regular sets?

**H.B.M.C.**

A plastic Chaplain.

Maybe the price, but we don't know that yet.

**Kanluwen**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
A plastic Chaplain.

Maybe the price, but we don't know that yet.

Supposedly, we're actually going to be seeing two different "Starter Sets" later on.

One with the composition of the Chaos forces, the other with Dark Angels--both with a Mini Rulebook and the Dark Vengeance booklet inside.

**H.B.M.C.**

Which seems like a waste of shelf space to me.

**Grey Templar**

I don't think so.

That would actually be a very smart move by GW. Allowing someone to just buy one of the forces will make this a much more attractive product.