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Squigsquasher wrote:

Funny though it would be to do this, along with a demotivational poster of a rainbow painted Lictor with the caption "Secrecy: Ur Doin It Wrong" it would further tighten the ball gag on info releases.

Safe to say, when they find out they are going to be PISSED.

Perhaps. But perhaps they might also get the idea that maybe their customers aren't too fond being treated like unworthy plebs who should feel privledged for the light that GW shines upon them...


...nah.

Well I am crying my eyes out from laughing at the irony in the letter. If that wasn't asking to be leaked I don't know what is.

I would love to see someone photoshop a multicoloured lictor along with the leaked letter and send it to GW btw. Anyone feel up to the task?

Have the full stats on the Hellbrute been leaked somewhere?

I really hope it is not 12/12/10. If so, it would seem to not be much more than a dread.

I must say that i LOVE whomever leaked the Do NOT Leak flyer that apparently shipped with the new sprues. How are you supposed to paint something in secret. Do they expect this to get done off the clock. are they on drugs.
Dont answer that.

The Hellbrute stats will be very close to Dread stats I imagine, as it is more or less just a Dreadnought. Hell in BL Fluff expect the term to still be "Chaos Dreadnought".

Yeah, but it can take Marks and has some pretty nasty effects from them too. Not to mention it can have the firepower of a rifleman dreadnought while retaining its power fist.

It also has 2+D3 attacks in melee(if outnumbered by the enemy), and potentially an additional +2A on the charge with MoK.

And with MoN it basically regenerates any permanant damage results.

All those models get a solid 'meh' from me.

 Commander Cain wrote:
Well I am crying my eyes out from laughing at the irony in the letter. If that wasn't asking to be leaked I don't know what is.

I would love to see someone photoshop a multicoloured lictor along with the leaked letter and send it to GW btw. Anyone feel up to the task?

Already firing up photoshop.

I'd make a new E-mail account just to send the E-mail. Don't want GW attempting to ban-hammer you

And send it from a public library computer just to be super safe.

The leak letter is brilliant.

If GW didn't want their staff to leak all this, then maybe, just maybe they shouldn't have said:

"paint up 50+ models in your own free time outside of work hours, yes this is mandatory, and no we're not paying you for it beyond giving you a box set that costs us less than a few pounds to manufacture. Leak this and we'll kill you. Have anice day!"

The email is an odd mixture of threats and an announcement of forced unpaid overtime that is desperately trying to brand itself as "exciting".. if I worked for them I'd have been way less than amused by this.

I have no idea what the point of all this secrecy crap is. I often used to get pre-release minis, because GW sold them at shows.

 bolo wrote:

Tod wrote:Do you think the hellbrute will have stats like a dreadnought or a dreadknight?

Here you go:

Hellbrute



120pts base

Type: Walker
Rules: Rampage

Armour: F12 S12 R10
WS4 BS4 S6 I4

Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter); Because it is a Walker, it does not strike at I1.

Multi-Melta can be swapped for
Butcher Cannon, or
Twin Reaper Autocannons, or
Twin-linked Lascannon, or
Twin-linked Heavy Flamer.

Combi-Bolter can be swapped for Meltagun or Heavy Flamer.

Mark of Khorne: Rage USR
Mark of Nurgle: At the beginning of the turn, a D6 result of 5+ restores a Hull Point, OR can repair a immobilised / weapon destroyed.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic Scream (offensive & defensive grenades)
Mark of Tzeench: Flame weapons (if equipped) gain +1 strength and -1 AP (AP4 becomes AP3, etc)

Just seems like a demon piloted Dread to me, which I'm fine with.

 scarletsquig wrote:
The leak letter is brilliant.

If GW didn't want their staff to leak all this, then maybe, just maybe they shouldn't have said:

"paint up 50+ models in your own free time outside of work hours, yes this is mandatory, and no we're not paying you for it beyond giving you a box set that costs us less than a few pounds to manufacture. Leak this and we'll kill you. Have anice day!"

The email is an odd mixture of threats and an announcement of forced unpaid overtime that is desperately trying to brand itself as "exciting".. if I worked for them I'd have been way less than amused by this.

I have no idea what the point of all this secrecy crap is. I often used to get pre-release minis, because GW sold them at shows.

To be fair, the set does cost ~$100. So even with their discount they're charged $75 for it right? And most anyone could get a GW Store quality job done on these in 2 hours of actual effort. That's not bad if you wanted the set. I'm sure someone at the store actually plays the game.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Commander Cain wrote:
Well I am crying my eyes out from laughing at the irony in the letter. If that wasn't asking to be leaked I don't know what is.

I would love to see someone photoshop a multicoloured lictor along with the leaked letter and send it to GW btw. Anyone feel up to the task?

Already firing up photoshop.

Had to be done!

 scarletsquig wrote:
The leak letter is brilliant.

If GW didn't want their staff to leak all this, then maybe, just maybe they shouldn't have said:

"paint up 50+ models in your own free time outside of work hours, yes this is mandatory, and no we're not paying you for it beyond giving you a box set that costs us less than a few pounds to manufacture. Leak this and we'll kill you. Have anice day!"

The email is an odd mixture of threats...

And HURRAYS!

Don't forget the Hurrays!

They make everything alright, those Hurrays! because writing Hurrays! in a management directive to grown men and women is not unprofessional, juvenile, demeaning and insulting to your staff's intelligence.

saw the pictures. EEEEEEeeeEEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEEE Huuuuuhhuhhhuhhhuuhhh EEEEEEEEEeeeeeeEEEEeEEEeEEEeEEE! Sorry, just so excited!1

I'll admit that it's not my best work, but it'll do.

I find it a little strange that GW chose to make up a new Chaos chapter/force/warband for this set ("Blood Slaughter" I think? Man, even a random villain name-generator could come up with something better... but I digress)

Why they didn't just go with Word Bearers, who have a little history, look very similar to this color scheme (and contrast nicely with the dark green of DA), and would make at least a small proportion of CSM players ECSTATIC (those who have Word Bearers armies). Especially since you can have these guys as Word Bearers by only putting the WB icon decal on a shoulder pad, and voila! Word Bearers.

But what do I know... I'm gonna paint these guys in my own custom scheme/chapter/fluff anyhow, so it doesn't really matter to me.

-C6

I think one of the main reasons they chose a new (or obscure) warband was so that there wouldn't be any previously established popular iconography to force players to paint up any one faction.
It makes sense to do so for Dark Angels, since they're trying to push DA codecies specifically, and not to draw away from other established marine armies, but CSM armies don't have that issue.

This is the point in time where we take all the pictures and the email and send it too GW support asking if these are real.

 catharsix wrote:
I find it a little strange that GW chose to make up a new Chaos chapter/force/warband for this set ("Blood Slaughter" I think? Man, even a random villain name-generator could come up with something better... but I digress)

Why they didn't just go with Word Bearers, who have a little history, look very similar to this color scheme (and contrast nicely with the dark green of DA), and would make at least a small proportion of CSM players ECSTATIC (those who have Word Bearers armies). Especially since you can have these guys as Word Bearers by only putting the WB icon decal on a shoulder pad, and voila! Word Bearers.

But what do I know... I'm gonna paint these guys in my own custom scheme/chapter/fluff anyhow, so it doesn't really matter to me.

-C6

I would assume because people simply own more SM than Chaos. They want to give extra freebies / boosts to kick start amount of Chaos players.
At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.

Thus they do it so you can start a new Dark Angels army, yet you cant repurchase it multiple times to finish the rest of other marine chapters you might have (well without scrapping marks and such)

Also having the same chaos cultists repeated in the set led me to believe they'll come out with a plastic cult box set.

Really, the more hilarious ideas involving revealing GW's own secrets to them, the better.

 LunaHound wrote:
At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.

Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non-DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.

Hell brute just looks like a possessed dreadnought and the chaos lord just looks like they just took the AoBR captain and made a few changes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 LunaHound wrote:
At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.

Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non-DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.

I was under the impression that possibility would suit a business POV better.

So I plan on buying this starter set to make my CSM army. I'm allso gonig to chaosify all the DA to add them to my CSM army. I was wondering if anyone could give me an educated guess as to the point value I would get if i did this and just made one big Chao force.

If it helps for the marines, termies, hellbrute, and other things that could take different weapons please just say base cost and off to the side what it may take up to in points if i upgrade them alot.

I also plan on making yhe DA Librarian and Chaplain chao sorcerers, and the DA company master a chaos lord.

Any replys would be a great help.

I don't think it would be too tough to adjust the DA into generics... a lot of the iconography seems isolated to the pads and also small details quite easily shaved off... the wings and bucklers etc, I think it would be look fine to keep them, most codex guys, RG, BA and a bunch others feature either an aquilla or feathered logos themselves...

Anyhoo, since I haven't said anything in this thread yet, AWESOME set... the Chaos stuff in particular makes me cry blood tears

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They are finally looking like Chaos should imo, not just spikes, true mutatation and ornate goodness...

 LunaHound wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 LunaHound wrote:
At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.

Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non-DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.

I was under the impression that possibility would suit a business POV better.

No, the better business plan is to have a set that everyone will buy. Once a certain number have been sold, everything above that is profit.

So having a set like AoBR is best because people will buy it, and in multiples. This set may be bought in multiples, but only really by Chaos and DA players.

 Chaos Santa wrote:
So I plan on buying this starter set to make my CSM army. I'm allso gonig to chaosify all the DA to add them to my CSM army. I was wondering if anyone could give me an educated guess as to the point value I would get if i did this and just made one big Chao force.

If it helps for the marines, termies, hellbrute, and other things that could take different weapons please just say base cost and off to the side what it may take up to in points if i upgrade them alot.

I also plan on making yhe DA Librarian and Chaplain chao sorcerers, and the DA company master a chaos lord.

Any replys would be a great help.

We can guess, but we won't really know until the new Chaos codex is released. It'll likely be sporting some hefty point cost adjustments.

 LunaHound wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 LunaHound wrote:
At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.

Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non-DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.

I was under the impression that possibility would suit a business POV better.

Just takes different creativity... and a bird motif for your forces XD. I'm sure you could use these for a proper successor chapter with a variety of heritage. Steel Eagles, Jade Falcons (Forgive me FASA), Adamantium Talons, etc. Then modify the iconography or add some bits, coat of paint and voila. C:SM awaits your new force that could /also/ use the DA Codex if you like.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 LunaHound wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 LunaHound wrote:
At the same time, they don't want people to "fill out" or start a whole SM army easily with generic SM like they did with AOBR sets.

Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance/apathy. I really, really doubt that they put DA's in the box so that non-DA Marine players would be unable to 'fill out' their armies with them.

I was under the impression that possibility would suit a business POV better.

No, the better business plan is to have a set that everyone will buy. Once a certain number have been sold, everything above that is profit.

So having a set like AoBR is best because people will buy it, and in multiples. This set may be bought in multiples, but only really by Chaos and DA players.

Yes but that is only half of the story. One can also say for every extra marine they purchased using AOBR, is marines they wont purchase from individual box sets.