Vhalyar wrote:What makes you think they would release a second wave so quickly? Tyranids and Space Wolves are still waiting for their second wave.

Necrons have been waiting for a wave for 10 years. I think the pooches and the bugs can bear with us as we machines get some love.

Vhalyar wrote:

Ghost21, who's rumors most of your summary is based on, said that two of the Fall of Damnos Lords would be included in the codex as Special Characters. He then added that one of the two was the Enfleshed, who makes Flayed Ones Troops.

Every single other lord in that list is pure speculation, especially the Undying - no one has said anything about him, much less that he makes Immortals Troop. And I have not seen anyone even mention the Silent King and Harbinger of the Night, I have no idea why they're in that list. So you might want to edit that to Enfleshed + "at least one of the following from FoD"

We know there will be few. We don't know exactly which besides Enfleshed and probably Undying. Thats why I wrote every named Lord I remembered. I will edit if there will be about 60% which of them won't be in codex.

But I can assure you that Silent King won't make BA allies .

Accordingly to Tabitha rumours special character vs 2+ of course it is save.

I am waiting for fresh rumours.

samrtk wrote:Necrons have been waiting for a wave for 10 years. I think the pooches and the bugs can bear with us as we machines get some love.

What you think is appropriate and what GW does is not always compatible. I do think that a second wave won't take too much time to arrive, but I wouldn't bet on anything in the same year.

e: if you want an extra rumor, there's this from Bindi Baji, a regular rumor poster at Heresy-Online:

Bindi Baji wrote:

mcmuffin wrote:Wave 2 will have Wraiths, Pariahs, Warriors and Flayed ones.

one of those is very definately going to be in the first wave

Vhalyar wrote:

Bindi Baji wrote:

mcmuffin wrote:Wave 2 will have Wraiths, Pariahs, Warriors and Flayed ones.

one of those is very definately going to be in the first wave

I think Ghost21 mentionned the Warriors to be 1st wave. Not sure, however. Tabitha also mentionned seeing plastic Wraith, so they are pretty much done!

I really hope for a fast 2nd wave...

But... I don't know.

Tony the guardsman wrote:FNP is awesome...just awesome...
No more of those stupid WBB rules!

wtf WBB is keened for them

Vhalyar wrote:

samrtk wrote:If this August release is true, which I hope it is, we should get Wave 2 before the end of the year, which would be great.

What makes you think they would release a second wave so quickly? Tyranids and Space Wolves are still waiting for their second wave.

... or a first wave Sororitas, just saying (some rumour posters like Warseer mod Darnok are quite certain about this).
And the current metal wraiths are excellent miniatures, suffering only from bad rules.

Kroothawk wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:

samrtk wrote:If this August release is true, which I hope it is, we should get Wave 2 before the end of the year, which would be great.

What makes you think they would release a second wave so quickly? Tyranids and Space Wolves are still waiting for their second wave.

... or a first wave Sororitas, just saying (some rumour posters like Warseer mod Darnok are quite certain about this).
And the current metal wraiths are excellent miniatures, suffering only from bad rules.

There's a lot of things that may or may not be coming, which is why I'm dubious about two Necron waves this year... if the first one even happens. In addition the grey knights and tyranids are supposedly getting their second waves this year. Busy schedule to fit in a wave 2 so quickly for an army not named Dark Eldar.

I'm just recompiled my predictions for this year but allot of things just dont make sense. With all the rumours floating about there just isn't enough room left this year for all the rumoured releases.

May : Tomb Kings 100%
June : Dark Eldar 2nd Wave 100%
July : Fantasy Storm of Magic 100%
August : Necrons
September : Ogre Kingdoms
October : Sisters of Battle?
November : Knights of Bretonnia
December : Nothing as usual

Summer of Fliers (Wartorn Skies?), Tyranid Wave 2, GK 2nd wave with Inquisitorial forces, plastic Pathfinders and Vespids are rumoured release candidates for 2011, but where?
Bindi Baji: Necron September release/"Before October"
ghost21: Necron August release
ghost21: I do have it on authority necrons are way before haloween thats when ogres are pegged in
Warmongergameday: Q4 Bretonnian Knights

MadCowCrazy wrote:I'm just recompiled my predictions for this year but allot of things just dont make sense. With all the rumours floating about there just isn't enough room left this year for all the rumoured releases.

May : Tomb Kings 100%
June : Dark Eldar 2nd Wave 100%
July : Fantasy Storm of Magic 100%
August : Necrons
September : Ogre Kingdoms
October : Sisters of Battle?
November : Knights of Bretonnia
December : Nothing as usual

Summer of Fliers (Wartorn Skies?), Tyranid Wave 2, GK 2nd wave with Inquisitorial forces, plastic Pathfinders and Vespids are rumoured release candidates for 2011, but where?
Bindi Baji: Necron September release/"Before October"
ghost21: Necron August release
ghost21: I do have it on authority necrons are way before haloween thats when ogres are pegged in
Warmongergameday: Q4 Bretonnian Knights

I doubt this. At most we will see Necrons > Sisters > Bretts>Tau or Tau>Bretts (Tau and Bretts are only a possibility) by the end of this year but not OK.
Just IMO

Other rumors have been pointing to Necrons being later and GW possibly getting Sisters in November/December

I hasten to add that if Ghost21 is correct and Ogres are pegged in for Halloween, a September release is beyond unlikely... Oct/Nov, certainly.

I doubt Brets this year. Harry hasn't heard anything about a Bret release that close.

How long does it usually take for 2nd waves to be released? (if there is even a norm when talking about GW )

I really hope they don't keep us waiting too long for a 2nd wave. I could see a second wave in January/Feb. I would doubt November as well.

Either way, The Necrons really need a solid release on their models, it would be a real shame if we had to wait for some of the best units, and it's not a functioning army.

Necrons (and sisters) will be like DE in terms of kits. Eldar and Tau are more like BA / wolves in terms of new stuff and BT, well they are getting some nice love too in an entirely different light.

But I think Necron players will not find themselves waiting forever to get most of the cool toys from their codex, and will be pleasantly surprised with some of the new stuff. There are some cool things now one has mentioned yet too.

Scarey Nerd wrote:I hasten to add that if Ghost21 is correct and Ogres are pegged in for Halloween, a September release is beyond unlikely... Oct/Nov, certainly.

I know, I would honestly put OK in November as Halloween is on the 31st of October but then what do we get in September?
Also with all the 2nd wave releases rumoured, summer of fliers etc there just isn't enough room left this year for all of that.

Only if GW made a huge release of GK 2nd wave, Tyranid 2nd wave and Summer of Fliers in the same month and that month would be July then I could see it all getting released this year, but if this happens I will melt down all my Sisters and sculpt a giant penis out of the pewter and shove it up my own arse whilst dancing around GW HQ singing "You spin me round right round...."
As you might have guessed I dont think it's going to happen

Tabitha wrote:Necron players will not find themselves waiting forever to get most of the cool toys from their codex, and will be pleasantly surprised with some of the new stuff. There are some cool things now one has mentioned yet too.

Could you put some light on this cool unmentioned stuff?

in September you get the "mystery box" ooooooooooo

ghost21 wrote:in September you get the "mystery box" ooooooooooo

Oh no, not again

Vhalyar wrote:

samrtk wrote:If this August release is true, which I hope it is, we should get Wave 2 before the end of the year, which would be great.

What makes you think they would release a second wave so quickly? Tyranids and Space Wolves are still waiting for their second wave.

Well because the Nids have been near-completely unsupported by GW and Space Wolves don't need a 2nd wave?! Tabitha (who seems to be a very reliable source) says that they're more in line with Dark Eldar, who so far are near what's effectively their 3rd wave:

Tabitha wrote:Necrons (and sisters) will be like DE in terms of kits. Eldar and Tau are more like BA / wolves in terms of new stuff and BT, well they are getting some nice love too in an entirely different light.

But I think Necron players will not find themselves waiting forever to get most of the cool toys from their codex, and will be pleasantly surprised with some of the new stuff. There are some cool things now one has mentioned yet too.

Just Dave wrote:Tabitha (who seems to be a very reliable source) says that they're more in line with Dark Eldar, who so far are near what's effectively their 3rd wave:

5 metal sculpts and no plastics isn't a wave.

I hope they are still usable with current models, and they don't 'tyranids' them (all old units are near unusable, buy all of the new ones for autowin!)

Just Dave wrote:Well because the Nids have been near-completely unsupported by GW and Space Wolves don't need a 2nd wave?! Tabitha (who seems to be a very reliable source) says that they're more in line with Dark Eldar, who so far are near what's effectively their 3rd wave:

Nids are rumored to have their 2nd wave coming and the same goes for GK. Space Wolves are waiting on their thunderwolves. There's an expansion that may or may not come out and if hell freezes over there will actually be two more 40k armies out this year, one of which needs much more model support than the other. Unlike Dark Eldar, Necrons don't have the same retro-fanboy appeal.

From all looks getting a second wave so quickly seems unlikely, but a rumor poster commented to the contrary. That's good for us. But she did so after your comment, so I don't see why you brought that up while quoting me.

My only conern is that if Wraiths are second wave, and the current minis are metal (which you cannot order any more). So what are we supposed to do for Wraiths/Flayed ones etc in the mean time?

Praxiss wrote:My only conern is that if Wraiths are second wave, and the current minis are metal (which you cannot order any more). So what are we supposed to do for Wraiths/Flayed ones etc in the mean time?

Flayed ones can be conerted from warriors (here's a tutorial http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/241720.page#1623562)

I'm not sure about wraiths though...

ghost21 wrote:in September you get the "mystery box" ooooooooooo

Pfft, it's not exactly a mystery now is it? Isn't it pretty much slam dunk that it will be the Summer of Fliers aka Wartorn Skies expansion?

I was thinking the new Tomb Kings models coudl make decent Wraith conversions.....can't remmber what ther're called now. But they look like big snakes with two handed weapons.


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I supopse they could be made in Wraith pretty simply, might have to trim the tail length and put them n a smaller base though....

Depending on the size you might be able to use warrior heads on them instead, maby use plasticard or something to get the bigger Wraith shoulderpads.

MadCowCrazy wrote:

ghost21 wrote:in September you get the "mystery box" ooooooooooo

Pfft, it's not exactly a mystery now is it? Isn't it pretty much slam dunk that it will be the Summer of Fliers aka Wartorn Skies expansion?

nope its not that its an actual boxed game ala space hulk

Praxiss wrote:I was thinking the new Tomb Kings models coudl make decent Wraith conversions.....can't remmber what ther're called now. But they look like big snakes with two handed weapons.


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I supopse they could be made in Wraith pretty simply, might have to trim the tail length and put them n a smaller base though....

Depending on the size you might be able to use warrior heads on them instead, maby use plasticard or something to get the bigger Wraith shoulderpads.

Those are Sepulchral Stalkers. My friend is going ape over the new Tomb Kings so he feels the need to tell me everything...lol

ghost21 wrote:

MadCowCrazy wrote:

ghost21 wrote:in September you get the "mystery box" ooooooooooo

Pfft, it's not exactly a mystery now is it? Isn't it pretty much slam dunk that it will be the Summer of Fliers aka Wartorn Skies expansion?

nope its not that its an actual boxed game ala space hulk

Fantasy based or 40k ish?

Murderous skies surely is DE flyers. Written all over the WD page...



Edit: used the false "wartorn" instead of the correct name,sorry.

MadCowCrazy wrote:
Only if GW made a huge release of GK 2nd wave, Tyranid 2nd wave and Summer of Fliers in the same month and that month would be July then I could see it all getting released this year, but if this happens I will melt down all my Sisters and sculpt a giant penis out of the pewter and shove it up my own arse whilst dancing around GW HQ singing "You spin me round right round...."
As you might have guessed I dont think it's going to happen

That was...vivid!

1hadhq wrote:Wartorn skies surely is DE flyers. Written all over the WD page...

I thought that was 'Murderous Skies'. Murder. Not War. Murder.

Balance wrote:

1hadhq wrote:Wartorn skies surely is DE flyers. Written all over the WD page...

I thought that was 'Murderous Skies'. Murder. Not War. Murder.

Correct murderous.

Used the name from the quote.


1) if August has a release date it is the 8th day, no?
2) if september got a mystery box, its revealed on the 26th of sept.?

ghost21 wrote:

MadCowCrazy wrote:

ghost21 wrote:in September you get the "mystery box" ooooooooooo

Pfft, it's not exactly a mystery now is it? Isn't it pretty much slam dunk that it will be the Summer of Fliers aka Wartorn Skies expansion?

nope its not that its an actual boxed game ala space hulk

Hmm, this means that there will be no fliers release this year as there is basically no place to put them in, unless they did it at the same time as the DE 2nd wave but from what I've read it is supposed to be big enough to warrant it's own release and I can't believe that if pretty much every army in 40k is supposed to get a flier.

For those that fail to understand, Murderous Skies and Wartorn Skies are NOT the same thing. Murderous Skies is what GW are calling the DE 2nd wave release, Summer of Fliers aka Wartorn Skies (was named this at FW Open Day) is rumoured to be a fliers expansion for 40k where they introduce the unit type Flier to the basic game of 40k. This rumour surfaced late last year and is said to include Tyranid Harpy, Imperial Thunderbolt Fighter, Ork Fightaboma, Tau Drones/Flier etc etc etc.
Basically every army in 40k is said to get a flier with the Valkyrie/Vendetta, Stormraven, Voidraven and Razorwing getting changed to Fliers as well.

Only place left this year to place this expansion would be together with the DE 2nd wave if it's happening at all.

ghost21, do you know if this expansion is happening at all of it the rumours of it getting split up into army releases when those get their next update?

Still, coming out August makes me sad as I can't use them for Nova. It will be my final tournament using the old book, last hurrahs! :(

i had heard the fliers thing was due as a wd release with a few flyers here n there ,

but honestly ive only seen very early prototypes of a figter bommer , thunderblot n harpy (and tbh the version of the harpy i saw was goddamn but ugly)

i dont see how they will slot in unless its jully thats the only time i can see it

i can do some digging n report back

ghost21 wrote:i had heard the fliers thing was due as a wd release with a few flyers here n there ,

but honestly ive only seen very early prototypes of a figter bommer , thunderblot n harpy (and tbh the version of the harpy i saw was goddamn but ugly)

i dont see how they will slot in unless its jully thats the only time i can see it

i can do some digging n report back

Yes, this is what have been rumoured but that there would be quite a few kits for the initial release, releasing something like this and only have 1-2 kits would be pretty meh. Then again if they changed the rules for Valk, Storm and DEs to Fliers it could be plausible.

I would dearly love to see such a release ...but I think theres a dedicated thread for that stuff!

this thread is for robot loving!

Dear Ghost21, I followed your rumors over at warseer, and I am glad that you continue to post on this site as well (curse that virus!). I was wondering if your offer to answer a question about a unique necron lord is still available? If I am wrong I apologize for not remembering correctly.
Sincerely, XXXXXXXXX

P.S.- a special thank you to all reliable rumor-mongers, you make the waiting so much more bearable!

ghost21 wrote:(and tbh the version of the harpy i saw was goddamn but ugly)

I am guessing that it was also stupidly oversized and on the flying Valk base as well.

angelshade00 wrote:How long does it usually take for 2nd waves to be released? (if there is even a norm when talking about GW )

There is no norm. Many armies never got a second wave.

Tabitha wrote:Necrons (and sisters) will be like DE in terms of kits. Eldar and Tau are more like BA / wolves in terms of new stuff and BT, well they are getting some nice love too in an entirely different light.

Getting a half sized release every 40k edition or getting a full sized release every two 40k editions results in about the same number of new miniatures, only release time spread differently.

Tabitha wrote:But I think Necron players will not find themselves waiting forever to get most of the cool toys from their codex, and will be pleasantly surprised with some of the new stuff. There are some cool things now one has mentioned yet too.

Every army since 2009 except Space Wolves got something like a flyer. It would surprise me if Necrons would not get one. Seems like a bigger plan behind these releases.

ghost21 wrote:in September you get the "mystery box" ooooooooooo

This would certainly deserve its own thread, IF there was more information. Otherwise it would derail into pointless wishlisting from post #2 onward. But if it has Space Hulk production quality, I would buy any boxed game.
Knowing GW, they will release the perfect introductory game ... in a release strictly limited to 500 boxes
And the GW managers will celebrate as a huge success, if the introductory game sells out within 3 hours

ghost21 wrote:i had heard the fliers thing was due as a wd release with a few flyers here n there ,

but honestly ive only seen very early prototypes of a figter bommer , thunderblot n harpy (and tbh the version of the harpy i saw was goddamn but ugly)

i dont see how they will slot in unless its jully thats the only time i can see it

i can do some digging n report back

Thanks for the confirmation. If you dig up anything, please post this in the "Summer of Fliers" thread (where I copied your post here):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/342197.page

Isn't it possible that the Monolith could get repackaged with Flier bases? It would be insanely top heavy but they do fly in pictures etc Ive seen.

I guess so but I doubt it. They used to come with them but stopped a good while ago for probably that same reason.

They came with the 'large flier base' back when (the same one the Destroyers etc come on), but it would snap off that base on your first game :(

A sturdier base would work, but i don't think that its all that likely.

BFG/EPIC players out there:

Are there any small necron fliers/fighters out there?

The only small ships I can think of for necrons are the Jackal and Dirge class escorts.

Hopefully we'll get some confirmation on this fairly soon.

Ascalam wrote:BFG/EPIC players out there:

Are there any small necron fliers/fighters out there?

No. The Necron fleet has no attack craft at all. If it was me, I wouldn't give them an ordinary flier myself, instead going for something more like Mjolnir's first appearance on Stargate: SG1: a flier that hovers slowly and unmakes everything it can see.

Any news on what would be in the battleforce? I'm tempted to buy an additional one in case they change it to be stupid like the blood angel's one.

ChrisEdgeworth wrote:Any news on what would be in the battleforce? I'm tempted to buy an additional one in case they change it to be stupid like the blood angel's one.

No news, but I believe there will be a new Battleforce (with the new sprues) and it will be inferior to the current one. Unfortunately, it appears to already be too late to buy the old one from the usual discount resellers.

I just hope he lets the metal cool thoroughly...

ChrisEdgeworth wrote:Any news on what would be in the battleforce? I'm tempted to buy an additional one in case they change it to be stupid like the blood angel's one.

Went ahead and did that for exactly the same reason as soon as i realised that they might go ahead and ruin the existing battleforce. It would be a shame to lose those 3 Destroyers.

Battleforces are released at least 6 months after the initial release, so we can't know ATM.

BTW the Necron Fleet can be seen here:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat490025a&rootCatGameStyle=

Here the smallest spaceship:



These are old designs, not sure if a new flyer would follow this style. The Tau fleet update by Forge World also had a completely different design.

Escort sized ships are way too big for 40k... thunderhawks are pretty huge and an escort is much bigger.

Perhaps we'll get no fliers, just anti-fliers. I'm pretty sure a Pylon or Obliterator could take down a Valkyrie.

I can not imagine a necron flier but the if done properly it would be cool, the pylon has an anti tank/flier seems most reasonable.

Mar wrote:I can not imagine a necron flier but the if done properly it would be cool, the pylon has an anti tank/flier seems most reasonable.

IIRC, the Pylon in Apocalypse is an AA mount. I highly doubt we're going to get the Pylon in the new codex, but an obliterator or something might get the same treatment.

Sorry I meant the rumoured 'turret pylon thingy' some people have said they believe is coming. The Apoc pylon would be a pretty big kit to have for a standard game ROFL

There is a Necron picture by GW (I'm pretty sure) where you can see some Monoliths in the background and what appears to be some V shaped fliers around them. Not sure where it's from, think it was in a codex or a novel or something. Can't seem to find it but it has been posted in a summer of fliers thread somewhere, waarseer I think many months ago.
If anyone knows the picture please post a link to it.

As for Battleforce they will probably dumb it down to the following.
10 Warriors
5 Flayed Ones
3 Wraiths
1 Tomb Spyder or some other 1 model mini.

That would blow! Now i have to save my pennies to get a battleforce. There are still a few on ebay adn i think Amazon is still selling them as well.

Praxiss wrote:That would blow! Now i have to save my pennies to get a battleforce. There are still a few on ebay adn i think Amazon is still selling them as well.

I think that would actually be a pretty good battleforce, but I would want at least one of each kind-the old one AND the new one. As such, I'll probably order an old one after work today. I decided I liked the Wraithwing, so I'd enjoy getting 3 wraiths in the box set. And seeing how a 3-box of them will probably be between $35-45 anyway...it'll still be a decent deal. Just not quite as good as the current one is.

i already have one of the old sets, so i have a total of 40 warriors right now.

I will try and get one of each. I am considerign either a Wraith or Destroyer wing. Not sure which but i tend to prefer shooty armies to cc ones.

ChrisEdgeworth wrote:Any news on what would be in the battleforce? I'm tempted to buy an additional one in case they change it to be stupid like the blood angel's one.

Considering the Blood Angels (no apostrophe) didn't even have a battleforce, it's only an improvement. They'll probably take the battleforce off the menu until the second wave of minis for Necrons, so I'd recommend grabbing a battleforce now instead of waiting a year and a half.

The problem with that being if they do intend to add upgrades and such to the warriors, the ones you buy now won't have them...then you'll have to either go back and covert them, or buy even more warriors to get the upgrades. I have 60 warriors right now that I'm praying they don't do a bunch of upgrade options for.

Just out of curiosity (and because i can't view the site on my work PC), what are GW charging for a battleforce these days?

Also, could anyone point me to one of these hallowed and famed discount websites i've heard so much about (a UK based one preferably)

Battleforces/battalion prices vary. The new Tomb King one is a wooping £70 all for an extra 4 skellies

Hmmm, so £42.00 for a necron one woudl most likely be a bargain then.

Until we have more then rumours about what is and is not being changed and the like I find a battle force hard to want to get, too much of a gamble sure it will definitely be cheaper then the new battle force if recent trends are worth anything but it will have a chance at older models or older sprue's with less extras.

Praxiss wrote:Also, could anyone point me to one of these hallowed and famed discount websites i've heard so much about (a UK based one preferably)

Wayland Games and Maelstrom Games are two of the main ones. But like I said, neither of them still have the Necron Battleforce.

Still some extra Warriors and Destroyers would never hurt, even without their possible upgrades. So I don't regret my choice of ordering one.

Its not a sure bet that the current battleforce is going to be good value for money.

Since we don't have a new codex yet we don't know for sure that the current edition boxset contents (warriors, destroyers and scarabs) won't totally suck. Or that there won't be a new "must have" unit (wraiths or flayed ones).

The only thing we know for sure is that the stats and point costs are sure likely to change after such a long time.

And there are rumours that destroyers are getting remodelled torsos and maybe warriors will get some additions to balance the price/value problem that GW may have with them so there's a chance of getting stuck with poor options or out-of-date models.

Also if they make an appearance in the 6ed starter box set (also a possibility) then that may also be a better value for money option.

I just remember the Tyranid battleforce I bought after the codex came out, cost more and had the same stuff in except no fex. I was upset!

Mar wrote:I just remember the Tyranid battleforce I bought after the codex came out, cost more and had the same stuff in except no fex. I was upset!

Has more Gaunts but that's about it.

I was thinking of getting one but not building it yet. That way if need be i can use the warriors as conversion fodder to make new immortals or flayed ones if the new models dont appear in the first wave.

and if it turns out to not be worth it i can always chuck it on ebay.

OOO OOO OOO Just remembered something!

If this Summer of Fliers thing goes ahead, Fall of Damnos gave a hint as to what the Necron flier would be!



EDIT: I got way too excited about that...

Praxiss wrote:Just out of curiosity (and because i can't view the site on my work PC), what are GW charging for a battleforce these days?

Future battleforces will have a fixed 25% discount compared to buying everything separately. This will result in different battleforces having different prices.

Scarey Nerd wrote:OOO OOO OOO Just remembered something!

If this Summer of Fliers thing goes ahead, Fall of Damnos gave a hint as to what the Necron flier would be!

Spoiler:

The Undying tells Ankh to bring him his Sky Chariot, before Ankh tells him that it is long since turned to dust.

EDIT: I got way too excited about that...

id stay excited if i were you

ghost21 wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:OOO OOO OOO Just remembered something!

If this Summer of Fliers thing goes ahead, Fall of Damnos gave a hint as to what the Necron flier would be!

Spoiler:

The Undying tells Ankh to bring him his Sky Chariot, before Ankh tells him that it is long since turned to dust.

EDIT: I got way too excited about that...

id stay excited if i were you

Yay! The way it was suggested in the book made it seem like a thing for Lords only, or in game terms very rare or something, would this be the case do you know?

I hate to break down hopes here, but since it did 'crumble to dust' this means that is was made Before the switch to Necrodermis, as everything after that was made out of the same stuff. However! We could instead look at is as potentially new types of vehicles being made that don't use the living metal or perhaps another Lord Did remember to craft one out of the 'dermis

ghost21 wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:OOO OOO OOO Just remembered something!

If this Summer of Fliers thing goes ahead, Fall of Damnos gave a hint as to what the Necron flier would be!

Spoiler:

The Undying tells Ankh to bring him his Sky Chariot, before Ankh tells him that it is long since turned to dust.

EDIT: I got way too excited about that...

id stay excited if i were you

What's that? Time to buy a monolith and make an awesome conversion for a model not coming out for at least a year? Tyranids, lend me your powaaaaaaaa!

Kurgash wrote:

ghost21 wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:OOO OOO OOO Just remembered something!

If this Summer of Fliers thing goes ahead, Fall of Damnos gave a hint as to what the Necron flier would be!

Spoiler:

The Undying tells Ankh to bring him his Sky Chariot, before Ankh tells him that it is long since turned to dust.

EDIT: I got way too excited about that...

id stay excited if i were you

What's that? Time to buy a monolith and make an awesome conversion for a model not coming out for at least a year? Tyranids, lend me your powaaaaaaaa!

now that was funny

So what would people think a 'sky chariot' look like? I doubt its the literal lol.

Mar wrote:So what would people think a 'sky chariot' look like? I doubt its the literal lol.

Like a Dark Eldar Raider looted by Tomb kings

Kroothawk wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Just out of curiosity (and because i can't view the site on my work PC), what are GW charging for a battleforce these days?

Future battleforces will have a fixed 25% discount compared to buying everything separately. This will result in different battleforces having different prices.

IIRC tbe Tomb King one only saves you £4. 25% discount would be nice, do you have anything to support this?

Ghost I was going to ask a question about a Necron special character, but now all i want to know is what the heck is a "Sky Chariot"?

I picture it as a chariot...with anti-grav tech. There was some old Necron conversions done a while back of a Lord seated on a hover throne, which was a seat mounted on a Destroyer chassis. Maybe I'll sketch up a few ideas if I get bored today.

It varies -

BA - Tac squad, assault squad, rhino and death company

Tac - 22
assault 18
death co 20
rhino 20

it costs 60 ergo rhino is free!

With the recent trend of 'large skimmers' including storm ravens, valks and the razorwing/voidravens I think it will be of similar size (I know we have not seen the RW/VR but yeah) would be awesome if it can transport somehow maybe? I know the idea of warriors coming out a transport always seemed a bit silly but some sort of mechanism like maybe the monolith might be fun. I don't know just a few ideas I have.

Mar wrote:With the recent trend of 'large skimmers' including storm ravens, valks and the razorwing/voidravens I think it will be of similar size (I know we have not seen the RW/VR but yeah) would be awesome if it can transport somehow maybe? I know the idea of warriors coming out a transport always seemed a bit silly but some sort of mechanism like maybe the monolith might be fun. I don't know just a few ideas I have.

I'd far rather we had the ability to open portals and phase through them, or use a Phasic Generator, rather than bodily transport units of necrons, we'll just become too like Marines imho.

regular transport aye that would be bad but a method of movement is what I would like and I agree one of the necrons main fears is to be designed similar to Marines IMO.

Mar wrote:regular transport aye that would be bad but a method of movement is what I would like and I agree one of the necrons main fears is to be designed similar to Marines IMO.

And seeing as the codex is being written by the guy who so far has written 3 codexes in 5th edition, all marines, it's a distinct possibility. See my sig for details.

Indeed it is something that the guy who appears to be the space marine writer or whatever is doing the necrons. Whatever happens I just pray they feel 'necron' I know people have complained about the GK's but they still felt GK to me my opinion at least please no hate! =D lol

Just sketched a quick idea I had and here it is, drawing inspiration from the hover throne, but making it bigger. How about this for a Sky Chariot?

Perhaps it would have an area for the "Lych-like guards" to stand? So that the Lord is being guarded even in the air?

Sort of OT: Hopefully getting the Incoming within the next fortnight

I'd buy it

I see it as something like Skeletor's Barge from MoTU:

Something like the funeral barge based off of Jes Goodwin's original sketches could be pretty sweet.




This one was built by a French customizer.

Asphalt wrote:Something like the funeral barge based off of Jes Goodwin's original sketches could be pretty sweet.




This one was built by a French customizer.

That is brilliant. Awesome transport. How did that not get past the concept phase?

That is pretty awesome! something similar yes please.

Necron penis-extender car

I would love to see something like this as a transport. That model is sweet

The seated Lord is a "popular" conversion and if the size is right maybe I can upgrade my destroyer Lord to a Sky Chariot Lord:

Nice conversion

I've been thinking of doing something similar, but with the lord surfing the back of the destroyer body and with a warrior grafted as a charioteer.

That too is awesome but I honestly expect a large flyer of some sort has the chariot IMO.

I don't like niether the destroyer-based "chariot" idea nor the barge, the whole fun with necrons was that they look a little like undead but are different and has their own style, not any anctient-Egyptian nor Moldavian-vampiric dracula style, they got the atmosphere with their emerald details and huge greenish flying ziggurat of doom, their symbiosis withe their vehicles as the destroyers ceased to be guys on wierd jetbikes and necron was merged with his platform and weaponary, i hate the idea of lord sitting on the destroyers body, why the hell should he as he may join one and have 100% controll upon it...
As for the barge, i don't like the idea of vehicle that looks like a giant penis with coffin-shaped jet nozzle and section view...
I would love to see necrons getting a real flyer, maybe something connected in shape with their gothic style crescent shaped flyer with necron pilot merged with the mashine by the warren of wires...

Gethvar wrote:I don't like niether the destroyer-based "chariot" idea nor the barge, the whole fun with necrons was that they look a little like undead but are different and has their own style, not any anctient-Egyptian nor Moldavian-vampiric dracula style, they got the atmosphere with their emerald details and huge greenish flying ziggurat of doom, their symbiosis withe their vehicles as the destroyers ceased to be guys on wierd jetbikes and necron was merged with his platform and weaponary, i hate the idea of lord sitting on the destroyers body, why the hell should he as he may join one and have 100% controll upon it...
As for the barge, i don't like the idea of vehicle that looks like a giant penis with coffin-shaped jet nozzle and section view...
I would love to see necrons getting a real flyer, maybe something connected in shape with their gothic style crescent shaped flyer with necron pilot merged with the mashine by the warren of wires...

Like a Cylon Raider from the new BSG?

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Gethvar wrote:I don't like niether the destroyer-based "chariot" idea nor the barge, the whole fun with necrons was that they look a little like undead but are different and has their own style, not any anctient-Egyptian nor Moldavian-vampiric dracula style, they got the atmosphere with their emerald details and huge greenish flying ziggurat of doom, their symbiosis withe their vehicles as the destroyers ceased to be guys on wierd jetbikes and necron was merged with his platform and weaponary, i hate the idea of lord sitting on the destroyers body, why the hell should he as he may join one and have 100% controll upon it...
As for the barge, i don't like the idea of vehicle that looks like a giant penis with coffin-shaped jet nozzle and section view...
I would love to see necrons getting a real flyer, maybe something connected in shape with their gothic style crescent shaped flyer with necron pilot merged with the mashine by the warren of wires...

Like a Cylon Raider from the new BSG?

Not exactly, somethig similar, but with pilot more in the penitent engine/destroyer way,and also i would pick the shape closer to the tomb ship than the jackall/dirge .

Aye that would probably suit the necron theme more the word chariot makes me feel like it can transport for some reason though bizarrely.

Mar wrote:Aye that would probably suit the necron theme more the word chariot makes me feel like it can transport for some reason though bizarrely.

The word chariot sound tomb king-esque and if they make necrons tomb kings in space i will shoot myself...
anyway Chariot might be also their destroyers body so not necessary some chariot in exact meaning of the word...

I think the book refers to it has a 'sky chariot' that the Lord wishes to use but can not that is all we know and thats assuming that the book FoD is the future of Necrons. In a few sci fi realms people refer to some airborne craft has chariots without them being chariots at all but I do not think you need to worry about the necron image changing to more tomb king like, the image most people have of Necrons is monoliths and hordes of warriors and from what people have heard in rumours they are not changing dramatically.

Well imho while i love the design of the funeral barge (not to mention the incredible detail of the artwork), it doesn't seem very much like a flier to me, although with their superior tech Necrons might not actually need a flier 'shape' to actually get airborne.
On the other hand, Skeletor's barge (blast from the past lol) is a pretty nice idea as well...although maybe the seat could be left out, i don't know. Necrons should be merged with their ships and vehicles rather than seated on them. Always imho.

samrtk wrote:Just sketched a quick idea I had and here it is, drawing inspiration from the hover throne, but making it bigger. How about this for a Sky Chariot?

It looks a tad to eldar IMO

Samrtk's chariot looks vaguely eldar or star wars-y. I really like that funeral barge thing. Who made that model, and what did they use?

So, they finally put a mobile oppression throne in 40k.

I would rather have an upright phallic war machine that fires pie plates from the tip. Just saying.

BTW, and a little OT, I enjoy the fact that this whole thread has evolved from 'are there going to be Necrons coming in the next few months?' to 'what's new with the Necrons coming in a few months?' Lovely.

Well one person implied the sky chariot or something of the sort would come so people are simply discussing the possibilities. discussing the when at the moment would be repeating ourselves more so!

Necrons and a chariot? NO WAY! Necrons are too cool for chariots XD if Necrons would ever go airborne, they would definatly use their destroyer like kin, so maybe a more larger version of a destroyer or maybe some sphere like attack craft.

Necrons...too sexy for their chariots...

Hopefully we will find out in a week or two if Necrons are getting released in August, at the expense of a flyer related expansion.

Every day I check my mail, hoping that there is a mail about necrons, somehow I'm also not too much looking forward to the mail as it would tell me to wait just that month longer -.- if they are coming there's 1 thing I wan't first ; the new codex ^^

Amen Rutger, models can wait I want the paper.

Asphalt wrote:Amen Rutger, models can wait I want the paper.

the plastic ain't worth nothing if their connected words and numbers aren't good

So is this simple speculation and almost wish-listing now or is there any actual rumours?

dont you usually get something in WD before an incoming email?

Praxiss wrote:dont you usually get something in WD before an incoming email?

No. First you get the Incoming email, 3 months before release. Then you get the WD teaser (if any) about a week and a month before, and finally you get the pre-orders, one month before.

I've been scrabbling around looking for the reference but have given up.

There is a story about a mechanicus expedition that pokes a tomb world in to action and finds that a member of the expedition is either a necron lord or the deceiver. I really can't remember which but have been left with the impression that it was a lord as I thought it was strange that the guy was doing so much talking and I do remember something about his death mask....

The point? I'm fairly sure that there is fluff enough that points to a handful of lords being in some control of their faculties although they are hate filled monsters driven insane by their 60 million years of killing and sleeping. So necrons with some personality wouldn't be too out of the question, although I do agree that too much personality would ruin their malice filled, cold killer 'feel'.


As for what might be on the horizon for the new dex: I think the harvester from the soul drinkers novels could be on the cards considering how closely some elements of its description match the tomb stalker (Sharpened armour plates, bladed limbs, insect-like appearence, the weird turbine for an ass thing), the harvester is just big enough for a couple of SM to party around inside.

I agree that the chariot thing needs to be done properly and I would really hate an potential 'revamp' of the models to make them look like tomb kings in space. And a giant necron walker? are we talking the harvesters from the terminator movies here? And will the flier be the hunter killer? Me no likey.

I prefer the suggestion of a revamped spyder with a bigger model and some new weapon choices (The Gauss blaster is a joke).


I've just bought up a couple of lots of OOP necrons and some current destroyers for a destroyer wing based list. Sods law dictates that the way I've now directed my lists will be made obsolete witht he new dex. They have to do something about the warriors being so pitiful though so all us cron players with 40+ necrons might only have to deal with our destroyers being turned in to floating cannon fodder.

Mashine? I love it!

Never seen 'Machine' written that way before.

I don't know what they teach our kids in school these days.....

When I was younger......*grumble, groan*....

Mashine? I don't know what they teach our kids in school these days...

File that one along with the viral misspelling of "definitely" with an "a" in it that keeps growing faster than algae in a stagnant pond.

If Necrons get half the cool new plastic kits that are rumored for them it should be an exciting revision for a model range that has had little attention in its now long history.

the only army id condone plastic kits BEFORE a new codex would be sisters. i seriously dont want to build an all metal army ever again! i tried with my csm, 80% metal /wrist.

With you there Kenzo, plastic rules...

Of course, metal is out and resin is in, and resin is pretty much plastic, except for the air bubbles and smears. Apart from that, though! Oh, and it's more expensive... Still, better than metal.

Scarey Nerd wrote:Of course, metal is out and resin is in, and resin is pretty much plastic, except for the air bubbles and smears. Apart from that, though! Oh, and it's more expensive... Still, better than metal.

yea, that it is. iv never had this happen with resin but with metal, sometimes my glue wont dry. its usually on those little awkward bits that you cant really set up to stand over night w/o getting glue on everything.

kenzosan wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:Of course, metal is out and resin is in, and resin is pretty much plastic, except for the air bubbles and smears. Apart from that, though! Oh, and it's more expensive... Still, better than metal.

yea, that it is. iv never had this happen with resin but with metal, sometimes my glue wont dry. its usually on those little awkward bits that you cant really set up to stand over night w/o getting glue on everything.

I hear you on that. Friend of mine was trying to stick the wing of a Bloodthirster on, in the end he gave up, the routine of "glue, hold, wait half an hour, place model down, wing falls off, scrape out glue" got a tad too repetitive after the second week.

the way i see it: i want necrons so my friend can stop using his damn ig. it gets old fast. i want sisters so i can build the army i really want to play w/o suffering through the pure metal army again.

im betting the heavy destroyer will be plastic and set up in a destroy box w/ the option to build either. just a thought i had based on the gk boxes.

we've now got yakfaces rumors conflicting these set of rumors

priceless

If Yakface's rumours are true, I will open one of my six mouths and sing the song that will end the Earth.

Scarey Nerd wrote:If Yakface's rumours are true, I will open one of my six mouths and sing the song that will end the Earth.

i'll hold you to that

see ya in 3-4 months

The rumours Yak has shown have probably killed this thread I think.

Mar wrote:The rumours Yak has shown have probably killed this thread I think.

After 45 pages, it's about time.

These threads have finally convinced me that GW deliberatley spread fake rumours

Grim.Badger wrote:These threads have finally convinced me that GW deliberatley spread fake rumours

That seems so try at the moment and I can see why in many ways, the surprise effect is often fun but I really do wish I could just know instead! Also I think someone mentioned that GW said before that each Necron update would give off the 'awakening of the race escalation' and I agree I remember that too. Fluff wise you got to bear in mind these guys were the most advanced technologically 'back in the day' to compete with the old ones biological and warp space capabilities so more vehicles I can understand has their tomb worlds start working more towards their best. I also thought the cryptek's were not pariahs but necrons whom were made to wake up the tomb worlds but I could be wrong here.

These threads have finally convinced me that GW deliberatley spread fake rumours

I reach a very different conclusion when I see these threads, one that has almost nothing to do with GW and everything to do the nature of many forum users.

Last I checked the battleforce was ~$70 on amazon, I think I'm gonna pick it up simply because I'd rather at least have a larger necron army and if I have to buy more of the new models then so be it. Destroyers and warriors will be there so I might as well stock up.

Also, the blood angels battle force is a fail simply because if your fielding tacticals and not las/plas razorbacks in your army your doing it wrong.

I plan on getting one on amazon too. Also, I must ask...why the hell is your avatar the craziest sister of battle yet- Sister Gaga

I want sob really... come all be all lies...

Phototoxin wrote:I want sob really... come all be all lies...

i want plastic. screw the codex! i can wait for that.

im looking forward to seeing what is in the new codex

BrassScorpion wrote:

These threads have finally convinced me that GW deliberatley spread fake rumours

I reach a very different conclusion when I see these threads, one that has almost nothing to do with GW and everything to do the nature of many forum users.

I meant the contradictory rumours coming from reliable external sources, but this is the first rumour thread I've followed so maybe it's normal

Ok, was chattgin to the manager at my local GW yesterday.

He wouldn't confirm the release date, obviously (arse).

I was telling him about the different rumours on here. He stated that there is at least 1 brand new unit (didn't say if it was infantry or vehicle though) that he has seen a model for, and also said that the details on the new models make them look "as good as, if not better than than the DE models"

He also flat out denied that there would be different coloured rods in the kits, saying it would not be cost effective to produce so many for each kit.

Also said that Scarabs as Troops was very unlikely.

He agreed that a kit of 3 Destroyers with options makes more sense than boxing them up individually......but that's nto a confirmation or a denial so.........


Now obviously this could all be complete rubbish, but thought i would post it anyway as it could be news or a rumour.

He also keeps pointing me to the BoLS forums so maybe more GW staff post on there?

So one thing I have been wondering. Why does everyone keep quoting people who work at the games stores? Do they really have that much inside information?

Asphalt wrote:So one thing I have been wondering. Why does everyone keep quoting people who work at the games stores? Do they really have that much inside information?

o hell yea man. didnt you know that if you work for a company you have to know everything they are doing!?

For me, apart from here, the staff at GW are my only source of info. Like i said, it's all utter crud as GW apparently tell their staff about as much as they tell us, but i thought i woudl post it just in case.

Praxiss wrote:For me, apart from here, the staff at GW are my only source of info. Like i said, it's all utter crud as GW apparently tell their staff about as much as they tell us, but i thought i woudl post it just in case.

im the same way as you

Last time I spoke to a GW employee about Necron release, he said they were definitely next on the line, he'd seen the models and they looked pretty cool to him, and he said that rather than buy lots of stuff now I should wait till the update in the next couple of months.

This was about 10 months ago...

Scarey Nerd wrote:Last time I spoke to a GW employee about Necron release, he said they were definitely next on the line, he'd seen the models and they looked pretty cool to him, and he said that rather than buy lots of stuff now I should wait till the update in the next couple of months.

This was about 10 months ago...

You're obviously lying - GW staff advising you not to waste money is like a square triangle - IMPOSSIBLE!!!

/joke

Phototoxin wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:Last time I spoke to a GW employee about Necron release, he said they were definitely next on the line, he'd seen the models and they looked pretty cool to him, and he said that rather than buy lots of stuff now I should wait till the update in the next couple of months.

This was about 10 months ago...

You're obviously lying - GW staff advising you not to waste money is like a square triangle - IMPOSSIBLE!!!

/joke

Haha, I think the guy was just trying to act really knowledgable. He didn't do well in this task...

timetowaste85 wrote:I plan on getting one on amazon too. Also, I must ask...why the hell is your avatar the craziest sister of battle yet- Sister Gaga

Proof that Sisters of Battle can fall to Chaos. Watch Matt Ward write that in the new Sisters codex about fallen orders.