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I think the shrunken head bits are cool...
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
The antlers, horns and feathers look great for making hero characters. The shark jaws might fit well on vehicles, or possibly torso armor.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
I'd have to see the whole sprue, but I could definitely use some horns (especially the antlers).
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???
Very niche, similar bits widely available (though not as a kit on their own), and very small parts with small contact points.
Weird.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
No idea why this kit should even exist when ''various animals box'' (wolves, birds, bears, boars etc.) would be a no brainer to do.
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Post by: Easy E
It is to tie into all the folk horror coming out right now.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
It they make a small add-on sprue like the one they did for Deathfields, it will probably sell reasonably well. Some of those horns might work well to decorate Damned veterans/leaders.
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The one addition I would push hard for would be a pair of eagle wings, for helmets or armor.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Since it's a collaboration it may well be that WGA is just acting as a contractor with most of the design/ideas coming from Pete the Wargamer from facebook Automatically Appended Next Post:  Tooling is wrapping up in the next couple days for this follow up to one of our first two sets: Skeleton Warriors! We think it will be worth the wait. There will be five frames in the box (along with two chariot frames) - you can see the frame in Articles and News on our site - and this will give you enough parts to do a variety of things. There are 3 rider bodies on each frame (to allow for all bare skeletons or 1/3 with muscled cuirass) and 2 foot bodies that can become either chariot crew or regular infantry. You can make a lot of different combinations depending on what you're trying to achieve: A. Two chariots with crew, six cavalry, six foot B. One chariot with crew, eight cavalry, eight foot C. Zero chariots (save them to use with our regular horses if you want!), 10 cavalry, 10 foot As said above they're almost finished with tooling and then we'll be onto box printing, injection, and getting them out to you. No release date yet.
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Post by: McDougall Designs
On a completely personal note as an undead collector for the past two decades:
I'm not sure if i can emphasize enough the gravity of the situation! We must Prepare! I'm thinking around 10 boxes should get the legion topped up after new years. Start the year off with a pile of bones.
Should I make 20 chariots, 60 cav, and 60 infantry
10 chariots, 80 cavalry, and 80 infantry
or
100 cavalry and 100 infantry
I'm thinking this will work nicely to get the Emerald legion of Numas (I am taking a different tact than the usual red for numas) off the ground with The Old World around the corner.
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Post by: Not Online!!!
 McDougall Designs wrote:On a completely personal note as an undead collector for the past two decades:
I'm not sure if i can emphasize enough the gravity of the situation! We must Prepare! I'm thinking around 10 boxes should get the legion topped up after new years. Start the year off with a pile of bones.
Should I make 20 chariots, 60 cav, and 60 infantry
10 chariots, 80 cavalry, and 80 infantry
or
100 cavalry and 100 infantry
I'm thinking this will work nicely to get the Emerald legion of Numas (I am taking a different tact than the usual red for numas) off the ground with The Old World around the corner.
Clearly it is as following:
200 infantry. Pikemen only. Then another 400 swordsmen, then 300 cav, then 50 chariots.
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Post by: McDougall Designs
Not Online!!! wrote: McDougall Designs wrote:On a completely personal note as an undead collector for the past two decades:
I'm not sure if i can emphasize enough the gravity of the situation! We must Prepare! I'm thinking around 10 boxes should get the legion topped up after new years. Start the year off with a pile of bones.
Should I make 20 chariots, 60 cav, and 60 infantry
10 chariots, 80 cavalry, and 80 infantry
or
100 cavalry and 100 infantry
I'm thinking this will work nicely to get the Emerald legion of Numas (I am taking a different tact than the usual red for numas) off the ground with The Old World around the corner.
Clearly it is as following:
200 infantry. Pikemen only. Then another 400 swordsmen, then 300 cav, then 50 chariots.
Of course. Eventually. Smaller unit based chunks while building and painting is key.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I am struggling how "10 horses, 2 chariots and 25 multi-part hard plastic figures" translates into any of the build options, ex. 0 chariots, 10 cavalry and 10 foot as 0 plus 10 plus 10 adds up to less than 25.
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 lord_blackfang wrote:I am struggling how "10 horses, 2 chariots and 25 multi-part hard plastic figures" translates into any of the build options, ex. 0 chariots, 10 cavalry and 10 foot as 0 plus 10 plus 10 adds up to less than 25.
Looking at the description in this article https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/skeleton-cavalry-and-chariots-update , I think the 25 includes rider bodies which are not being used.
You have 5 sprues with 5 bodies each (3 riders and 2 foot), so you can have at most 10 foot or chariot crew and you have at most 10 riders, but 5 rider bodies at the minimum are not used (or you need additional horses to use them).
If you use the chariots there are more rider bodies left unused, so the number of useful miniatures per box drops.
EDIT: One thing for sure is that stating the 25 miniatures in the box when you don't have the parts to actually build that many in a fully functional way is a bit misleading to say the least. If other manufacturers followed the same approach, Perry Miniatures Chasseaurs à Cheval would have 28 miniatures on the box instead of 14, they have 28 rider bodies in the box after all...
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
You’d have five skeleton karate students in horse stance.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Yarrrrrr?
Tis time to sail the Spanish Main once more me hardies?
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Post by: Scottywan82
Reminds me of the Empire Militia.
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Post by: Smokestack
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yarrrrrr?
Tis time to sail the Spanish Main once more me hardies?
Those arms would be good to convert Frostgrave crewmen into Blackpowder pirates. That is a box i would likely pick up. The Skeletons look good too. I have plenty of skeletons from board games like Mythic Battles and Conan as well as Bones kickstarters... but no cav or chariots so may get a box of those as well.
Edit: Though unless these are fast tracked, the pirates (or whatever they are) are likely years away. As seen by Conquistador cav, Hafling cav, that viking army builder, the afghan cav, etc, etc, etc...
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Post by: Tamereth
That undead box looks really good. Between that and the original foot troop box you can make a pretty solid undead army for reasonably cheap, with options for units of spears, swords, archers, cavalry and chariots. what more do you really need?
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Post by: Derek H
 Tamereth wrote:That undead box looks really good. Between that and the original foot troop box you can make a pretty solid undead army for reasonably cheap, with options for units of spears, swords, archers, cavalry and chariots. what more do you really need?
You can also make light infantry with javelins.
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Post by: privateer4hire
I’m going to nobly sacrifice to get the Quar to show up almost immediately. I’ll just spend the money I have been saving for them on napoleonics ?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
first plastic snapshots direct from the shop floor via Hudson on Facebook
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Post by: lord_blackfang
SHARP
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Post by: Scottywan82
Lovely! What a fabulous set.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Am I seeing that right? They're including puddle bases as a separate bit on the sprue because the standing ones could be either infantry or chariot crew?
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Post by: insaniak
Hate the puddle bases on the horses, but otherwise that's a fantastic looking sprue.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
 KidCthulhu wrote:Am I seeing that right? They're including puddle bases as a separate bit on the sprue because the standing ones could be either infantry or chariot crew?
Huh, so they are.
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Post by: McDougall Designs
 insaniak wrote:Hate the puddle bases on the horses, but otherwise that's a fantastic looking sprue.
How else would the horses stand well on bases?
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Post by: Cirith
Wow, that looks impressive.
So happy to see a puddle base on the horses.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
KidCthulhu wrote:Am I seeing that right? They're including puddle bases as a separate bit on the sprue because the standing ones could be either infantry or chariot crew?
So in theory infantry could be based on the normal bases without the puddle abominations?
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Well some folks like me are definitely cutting the puddle base off and just gluing it on a base by the hooves. It's literally what I did with my other WGA horses.
Note: that cart isn't glued on, in case I need to have it overturned in a scene.
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Post by: Fugazi
The Damned…brutes
update link
Images spoilered to preserve your viewing experience
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Without the puddle bases, you can mount them on tanks.
Secretariat of War: “the time of retribution is neigh!”
Also, on aircraft: “Get to the clopper!”
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Post by: Dolnikan
I'm not the biggest fan of puddle bases, but on plastic minis they can be removed fairly easily. On metal though...
That said, I think that optional puddle bases is the best so those who like them can use them and those who don't can just avoid them.
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Post by: Smokestack
From Facebook
Fresh off the mill - T1 for the new horses and texture top 3mm bevel edge bases! The first appearance of the horses will be with the Afghan cavalry (rider frame already done) and the bases will be available separately.
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Post by: Dolnikan
And now it's my time to 'complain' about the bases taking up so much sprue space. I won't be using them anyways so it does feel pretty much useless.
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Post by: alphaecho
 Dolnikan wrote:And now it's my time to 'complain' about the bases taking up so much sprue space. I won't be using them anyways so it does feel pretty much useless.
The WGA statement indicates those bases will be sold separately.
That could mean they end up as a standalone General Accoutrements release and are not part of a figure box.
Having horses on one half sprue and bases on the other half mean they're casting two products at the same time.
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Post by: Brickfix
The bases are part of The Damned Kickstarter
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Post by: Dolnikan
 alphaecho wrote: Dolnikan wrote:And now it's my time to 'complain' about the bases taking up so much sprue space. I won't be using them anyways so it does feel pretty much useless.
The WGA statement indicates those bases will be sold separately.
That could mean they end up as a standalone General Accoutrements release and are not part of a figure box.
Having horses on one half sprue and bases on the other half mean they're casting two products at the same time.
Ah. That makes sense. So thank you!
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Post by: Perfect Organism
How are the new horses different to the previous ones? Bigger?
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
A box of textured plastic bases will be an asset. Sure, I've been using sand and flock all this time, but I'm getting lazier as I get older and so having something ready to go is a positive.
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Post by: Smokestack
It sounds like the new horses are smaller. They were shown in an update for the damned today with this comment The Damned will use our bigger war horse frame rather than the new ponies.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On another note, I finally put together some skellies from a sprue I bought a while ago from Mcdougal's... and didnt put together some spiders from that same order... but tried and gave up... The Skellies are nice... looking forward to getting a skellie cav/chariot box... and will not be getting anymore spiders...
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Post by: Eilif
Dolnikan wrote:I'm not the biggest fan of puddle bases, but on plastic minis they can be removed fairly easily. On metal though...
This is true. If you're frustrated removing plastic puddle bases, you probably don't have much experience doing so for metal puddle bases. Removing plastic puddles is simply not a big deal.
I still like slottas and think all plastic figures should have pegs under their feet (great for "pinning" and easy to remove to glue flat), but since no one seems to agree with me, I'm glad that plastic puddles are easy to remove.
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Post by: Dawnbringer
 Eilif wrote: Dolnikan wrote:I'm not the biggest fan of puddle bases, but on plastic minis they can be removed fairly easily. On metal though...
This is true. If you're frustrated removing plastic puddle bases, you probably don't have much experience doing so for metal puddle bases. Removing plastic puddles is simply not a big deal.
I still like slottas and think all plastic figures should have pegs under their feet (great for "pinning" and easy to remove to glue flat), but since no one seems to agree with me, I'm glad that plastic puddles are easy to remove.
I think the issue is outside of GW, alot of bases are much thinner. I myself use Renedra bases even on GW. In such cases aside from building up the rest if the base with basing material, the puddle just ensures a solid contact point. Something even on thick gw bases can't provide ( GW plastic LotR models, cough cough).
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Post by: Hatemonger
Eilif wrote: Dolnikan wrote:I'm not the biggest fan of puddle bases, but on plastic minis they can be removed fairly easily. On metal though...
This is true. If you're frustrated removing plastic puddle bases, you probably don't have much experience doing so for metal puddle bases. Removing plastic puddles is simply not a big deal.
I still like slottas and think all plastic figures should have pegs under their feet (great for "pinning" and easy to remove to glue flat), but since no one seems to agree with me, I'm glad that plastic puddles are easy to remove.
No, I emphatically agree 100%.
I think puddle bases are an outdated abomination, and there is no excuse for having them on plastics. A peg is better in every way, which you can see in GW's use of them now in lieu of slottabase tabs.
And here's the kicker: even if people still (insanely) want their puddle bases, just put a sprue of them in the box, with holes for the pegs! It's a solution that works for everyone.
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Post by: Gallahad
I'd love to see a tutorial from someone on removing plastic puddle bases. I always manage to shave off the bottom part of the boot or end up with feet that aren't flat etc. I hate them with a burning passion.
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Post by: Dolnikan
 Gallahad wrote:I'd love to see a tutorial from someone on removing plastic puddle bases. I always manage to shave off the bottom part of the boot or end up with feet that aren't flat etc. I hate them with a burning passion.
It's not much of a tutorial, but when I remove puddle bases I often use clippers to take away a lot of material around the feet. That way, you get a better grip with a knife to cut the remnants off at the feet. I usually try to do each foot separately (so I clip out the bit in between the feet as well) so there's less risk of slipping and cutting into the other leg. And finally, if I'm not lazy, I file away the last bit that remains under the foot. But most of the time that little bit doesn't really matter when putting it on a base anyways.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I use a Stanley knife (it's the most sturdy of the "hobby" blades) and just do one firm cut under each foot with the blade sliding along the surface of the base. Hold the piece by the base, not the mini, and prop it against the table. The most important thing is to start at the heel, if you start at the toes the blade will push them to bend upwards.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Puddle bases are the absolute abomination that should never ever exist. Dear WGA, if you can produce s-f minis without them then there is no reason your fantasy ones should have them.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 going from digital to plastic
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Looking good but not my scene, I hope it sells.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Each one of those heads puts a different Les Miz song in my head.
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Post by: alphaecho
You mean you can hear the people sing?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Indeed. And I can hear them raise a glass, raise it to the master’s arse, raise it to the master o’ the ‘ouse.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
We've already had digital werewolves so I guess there are plastic.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
They’re awesome
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Post by: Perfect Organism
I like that these are slightly more monstrous than the digital werewolves, although they are still a bit too 'buff' for my taste. I like skinny, creepy werewolves.
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Post by: Gallahad
Those werewolves look amazing. Hopefully they show up in plastic at some point.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
WGA is teaming with those guys for a nice set of men at arms (hopefully without the puddle abominations) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/redboxgames/red-box-games-fantasy-men-at-arms/
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Post by: KidCthulhu
It also looks like WGA is teaming with someone else for the animal parts sprue for KS as well.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
If I had a probably once in a lifetime chance to make a hard plastic sprue I wouldn't put duplicate parts on it, I'll tell you hwhat
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Post by: Dawnbringer
lord_blackfang wrote:If I had a probably once in a lifetime chance to make a hard plastic sprue I wouldn't put duplicate parts on it, I'll tell you what
I follow Pete on YouTube and I wish him the best, but yeah I do find the contents interesting, I'm not sure that there is that much of a market for dead animal parts.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Those look great! I really wish these Kickstarters showed more size comparisons, though. Or at least made test models to send to someone like Stahly to show us how big they are.
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Just noticed werewolves. Hopefully we will see more details soon, like how big they are to standard models etc. Plastic puppies, hell yeah!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 Dawnbringer wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:If I had a probably once in a lifetime chance to make a hard plastic sprue I wouldn't put duplicate parts on it, I'll tell you what
I follow Pete on YouTube and I wish him the best, but yeah I do find the contents interesting, I'm not sure that there is that much of a market for dead animal parts.
I find it a huge missed opportunity that he didn’t include any eagle wings for helmets, shields or chest plates. No bat/dragon wings, either. Those are the dead animal parts everyone’s army wears.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome
lord_blackfang wrote:If I had a probably once in a lifetime chance to make a hard plastic sprue I wouldn't put duplicate parts on it, I'll tell you hwhat
I quite agree.
All these projects are interesting but really I am just waiting for the Quar.
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:I find it a huge missed opportunity that he didn’t include any eagle wings for helmets, shields or chest plates. No bat/dragon wings, either. Those are the dead animal parts everyone’s army wears.
I couldn't agree more; those bits are in short supply!
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Post by: Dolnikan
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Dawnbringer wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:If I had a probably once in a lifetime chance to make a hard plastic sprue I wouldn't put duplicate parts on it, I'll tell you what
I follow Pete on YouTube and I wish him the best, but yeah I do find the contents interesting, I'm not sure that there is that much of a market for dead animal parts.
I find it a huge missed opportunity that he didn’t include any eagle wings for helmets, shields or chest plates. No bat/dragon wings, either. Those are the dead animal parts everyone’s army wears.
Definitely. I'm very interested in random parts, but it's weird that there are duplicate parts. Even for the trophy heads I'd at least have made some differences between them so it doesn't look like everyone killed the same guy in the same way and mounts it identically.
And I also think that some wings would have been great. Along with a bunch of claws, different bones, and things like that.
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Post by: Talking Banana
Those demonic looking werewolf heads with bat ears have a creepy Black Spiral Dancer vibe.
Very cool.
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Post by: Gallahad
That sprue layout of animal parts is so weird. Guy should spend a bit more and get a little variety.
A large pair of wings seems like a no-brainer.
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Post by: Eilif
Gallahad wrote:I'd love to see a tutorial from someone on removing plastic puddle bases. I always manage to shave off the bottom part of the boot or end up with feet that aren't flat etc. I hate them with a burning passion.
It won't solve all the problem, but as a final step, carefully leveling both feet at the same time on a piece of fine sandpaper on a flat surface can at least leave you with the soles of both feet on the same plane so they'll both glue down flat. If necessary, you can put more pressure on the foot that has more material under it, but generally both feet will come flat with this method This is what I do for figures with heroic proportions
For figures with very small true-scale feet and a blob base, I will sometimes not remove the puddle entirely. Instead I clip around the feet and then remove the material under the front of the foot. The blob under the leg/heel, I shape into a peg and glue that into a hole I cut in a base.
If basing with sand/balast/flock/etc, this is really easy and quite quick. If basing on a cast scenic base you have to be a bit more careful making the peg smaller than the foot and not making your hole in the base too big.
I do roughly the same thing with slotta tabs, though there it's much easier as you simply clip away the tab until you have two pegs left under each foot. Here's a big gang of metal Van Saar, mounted on plastic scenic bases by turning their slotta tabs into pegs.
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2014/10/new-paint-for-old-friends-necromunda/
I could have just filed them flat and glued them down, but anyone with experience will tell you that any figure drop will result in the figure flying off the base, especially with figures like this that don't have alot of surface contact area. Trimming the slotta to a peg is faster than drilling out for pinning but gives the same strength of bond.
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Post by: RustyNumber
Is there a market for "fantasy dudes but a bit bigger than all the 28mm stuff you already have lol"?
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Post by: Smokestack
 RustyNumber wrote:
Is there a market for "fantasy dudes but a bit bigger than all the 28mm stuff you already have lol"?
I mean... I am... and 131 other backers...  but so far only have $7160 out of $20,000 goal. I think Redbox has a good following, but with only 1 item in the kickstarter, and only 1 pledge level (for a single box) and the fact that it does not seem like much of a discount, it is pretty slow going. They are a bit bigger than frostgrave and the like, but look to be right on scale with most of the humans (or near humans) for GW and people like Reaper. All of which is a bit bigger than Frostgrave and the like too.
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I dont think the Redbox guys look too out of place next to the WA Conquistadors
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
So the nights are getting longer, the days colder, the mercury dipped down to 15 degrees here (60 degrees Fahrenheit) prompting all sorts of warnings and news stories.
So I'll be shutting down this thread soon. Since Wargames Atlantic is posting here I'll leave it to them to start up the 2024 thread so they can control the title etc.
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Post by: Gallahad
That is a great height. The RedBox guys will fit in great with modern fantasy figures.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Preorders for the LesGrognards cavalry have dropped, due 29th Dec
https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/demo-collection/products/les-grognards-cavalry
which realistically means January, but it's cool that they're almost here
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Hmmm.... $39.95 I wonder if this is the "Cavalry" Price or if prices in general are going up.
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So happy they went with that pose for the artwork.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Okay, this is a wild guess but given that it's in sketch stage, and obviously a wizard, probably multipart (staff options), probably an Elf, I'm going to say...
Full High Elf plastic range kickstarter to cash in on ToW.
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Post by: Gallahad
Well done classic design elves are curiosly absent from the market.
The Oathmark ones are well done, but very small.
The Mantic ones are.. unique and extra double small.
The GW ones have hilariously bad design aesthetics (towering cow helmets, three string bows, doofy wooden poses) and are laughably expensive.
As far as I'm concerned, there is a real void in the market for a range of elves.
Give me something that scales with fantasy figures (Oathmark and Mantic have the "scale with historical" covered) and has a noble look and I'll be very happy and very spendy.
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Gallahad wrote:Well done classic design elves are curiosly absent from the market.
The Oathmark ones are well done, but very small.
The Mantic ones are.. unique and extra double small.
The GW ones have hilariously bad design aesthetics (towering cow helmets, three string bows, doofy wooden poses) and are laughably expensive.
As far as I'm concerned, there is a real void in the market for a range of elves.
Give me something that scales with fantasy figures (Oathmark and Mantic have the "scale with historical" covered) and has a noble look and I'll be very happy and very spendy.
The lotr line has a nice plastic wood elves kit and palace guard. Unfortunately the lotr plastic high elves are about 22 years old at this point. And other stuff is failcast...
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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
The lotr line has a nice plastic wood elves kit and palace guard. Unfortunately the lotr plastic high elves are about 22 years old at this point. And other stuff is failcast...
Yeah, that line is very much 25mm, and as such I find it very unpleasant to paint. I have a wide variety of figures, but the bulk are closer to 32mm tall, which is the scale I prefer to interact with.
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I'm not a High Elf guy but I know a couple people who'd be ecstatic over a good plastic range.
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Gallahad wrote:Sgt. Cortez wrote:
The lotr line has a nice plastic wood elves kit and palace guard. Unfortunately the lotr plastic high elves are about 22 years old at this point. And other stuff is failcast...
Yeah, that line is very much 25mm, and as such I find it very unpleasant to paint. I have a wide variety of figures, but the bulk are closer to 32mm tall, which is the scale I prefer to interact with.
Interesting enough, a friend of mine who collects truescale dwarfs, more often than not he has a limited freedom of choice because most miniatures are heroic scale miniatures with strange proportions when he just wants resonable looking dwarfs 
But I'd also say calling the Hobbit miniatures 25mm is a stretch. Lotr always was marketed as 28mm truescale and most Hobbit miniatures are rather 30mm already. It's GW/ AoS going rampant and closing in on 35mm heroic scale...
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A box of good looking elves would be great for many solo/mini agnostic games out there.
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Post by: Scottywan82
lord_blackfang wrote:I'm not a High Elf guy but I know a couple people who'd be ecstatic over a good plastic range.
This guy right here sure would. 
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Post by: Dawnbringer
Sgt. Cortez wrote: Gallahad wrote:Sgt. Cortez wrote:
The lotr line has a nice plastic wood elves kit and palace guard. Unfortunately the lotr plastic high elves are about 22 years old at this point. And other stuff is failcast...
Yeah, that line is very much 25mm, and as such I find it very unpleasant to paint. I have a wide variety of figures, but the bulk are closer to 32mm tall, which is the scale I prefer to interact with.
Interesting enough, a friend of mine who collects truescale dwarfs, more often than not he has a limited freedom of choice because most miniatures are heroic scale miniatures with strange proportions when he just wants resonable looking dwarfs
But I'd also say calling the Hobbit miniatures 25mm is a stretch. Lotr always was marketed as 28mm truescale and most Hobbit miniatures are rather 30mm already. It's GW/ AoS going rampant and closing in on 35mm heroic scale...
The issue with LotR is that it didn't have a consistent scale within the range. The high elf swordsman are 25mm, but they were the first plastics to come out. Metals were more 28mm in general, though the old metal rangers of gondor were a bit large. But the majority of the metals fit with the Perry's and other similar sized historicals. My general preference is for things that fit in with that scale, at least for fantasy, as basically all the bases are covered in that scale now. For sci-fi it's definitely better to keep in GWs scaling.
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Oh man do I disagree. Why make fantasy figures scaled to match historical minis when that space is so extensively covered?
There is already the whole Middle Earth line, the Oathmark line, and the Mantic line all scaled to work with historical miniatures.
Outside of GWs "weird for the sake of novelty" cow elves there are zero lines out there which would look good alongside modern fantasy miniatures like ASOIAF or Reaper or other GW lines, etc. etc.
Imagine how noble a line of tall elves could look on the table.... Like the 6th edition WHF artwork brought to life.
Of all the fantasy races elves would be the easiest to justify standing taller than (28mm) men!
But despite my protestations I'm sure we will get another set of "scaled for historical" elves out of WGA which will be a shame.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
If it's an army range it should probably be scaled to T9A, WHFB and Kings of War since that's where the majority will go.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Gallahad wrote:
There is already the whole Middle Earth line, the Oathmark line, and the Mantic line all scaled to work with historical miniatures.
Mantic is now scaled with GW and Fireforge rather than historicals. Oathmark/Frostgrave minis, which are historicals scale, are usually half or a whole head smaller than for example Fireforge fantasy or even their modern historicals, where Mantic fits with them easily.
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Post by: KipCujo
Has there been any chatter about WGA putting out full fantasy armies? The last thing I can recall being teased or discussed was something about traditional fantasy heroes/characters, and technically there's nothing in that sketch that exclusively suggests anything aside from "wizard". Would love to be wrong!
Edit: https://www.beastsofwar.com/fantasy-wargaming/wargames-atlantic-scout-out-some-elves/ here's some renders from awhile ago (2019!) of a passively-generic Wood Elf archer that never came to fruition (I think a community manager might have said there was some legal mumbo-jumbo tying up the designs?). Would be really awesome to see WGA re-visit all of this.
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Post by: Gallahad
 Shadow Walker wrote: Gallahad wrote:
There is already the whole Middle Earth line, the Oathmark line, and the Mantic line all scaled to work with historical miniatures.
Mantic is now scaled with GW and Fireforge rather than historicals. Oathmark/Frostgrave minis, which are historicals scale, are usually half or a whole head smaller than for example Fireforge fantasy or even their modern historicals, where Mantic fits with them easily.
Did Mantic redo their elves to a taller scale?
I don't think Fireforge has an elf line?
I might be misreading your comment, but I think we agree that there are currently zero modern fantasy scaled lines of elves outside of GW?
On a second reading I think you are talking about their general ranges while I'm talking about Elves in particular.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome
WGA has said they will announce the release date after the holidays…
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Gallahad wrote:
On a second reading I think you are talking about their general ranges while I'm talking about Elves in particular.
Yep
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Post by: privateer4hire
That free shipping ad portion of the Quar announcement had me thinking $50 price tag for a second. Really hoping they keep prices with expectations that WGA has set.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
New SP
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
So some kind of female mage. Maybe Elven? There were some Elf previews, those rangers/archers IIRC.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
It looks very weighted down by (stone?) knick-knacks for an Elf.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I wonder it it's part of an adventurers set ? rather than an elf (or an elf unit)
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Post by: Shadow Walker
I did ask for such a set (multiple options/builds) so maybe they did listen? Would be great!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
And it's time to close the 2023 thread
Perhaps WGA can launch a 2024 thread, I'd still recommend a split between digital and hard plastic products
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