Perfect Organism wrote: The mutation sprue is rather Games Workshop-ish and not in a good way.
I wouldn't say Games Workshop-ish; it's a direct homage to the Chaos mutation sprue. Most of the arms are damn near the same. Like it or not, it is clever.
I've thought over uses, and I think the female bodies are better than the male ones, in terms of proportions. They just look more correct. I'll use them to make some allied guard for my Ad-Mech.
I hope the Heavies get unlocked, as I can use those as either Kasrkin or Solar Auxilia alternatives.
Good to see that it's picked up again. Sad that Leviathan is taking so much air out of the room in terms of funding, but with the value here, I think that it will continue to do well.
Heavy infantry is 6k away with 12 hours to go. That’s a virtual certainty to be unlocked. Beastmen is 26k away and that makes me a little nervous for them, because I’m more interested in those over heavies.
Fugazi wrote: Heavy infantry is 6k away with 12 hours to go. That’s a virtual certainty to be unlocked. Beastmen is 26k away and that makes me a little nervous for them, because I’m more interested in those over heavies.
I was also hoping for the mutations sprue so I get that worry.
yes there will be some melee option weapons [for heavy inf]
Beastmen sprue:
There's going to be a mix of bodies between the two styles of leg 3/3 [for beastmen]
and generally:
Gang - it doesn't matter what you've chosen for boxes/sprues - just pick your reward level and you can muck about with configurations to your hearts' content in the pledge manager later. We're going to give you plenty o' time as they say.
I'm really not super fussed about reaching the goats, they look too much like fantasy beastmen in 40k cosplay for me, would rather have more mutanty mutants (not to be confused with a sprue of tentacle arms)
But the free sprue for all tiers at 270k would be nice.
I hadn't even thought about the Stargrave potential. Less than $2k left and 2.25 hours. Could we possibly get the Mutations sprue back (wishfulthinking)?
Had been flip-flopping on how much to back it for and just said feth it and went 10box. cuz I'm not gonna kid myself, I was probably gonna buy that many anyway...so the extra sprues are just gravy on top...
Psychopomp wrote: So, the timing on this is pretty bad for me, being summer vacation season.
Can I make a placeholder pledge and upgrade later in the pledge manager and get all the goodies for the new pledge level? Has that been covered?
I've been told no
I was told yes in the comments. Well, if it's not true, WA can keep the $1.
GungHoGeeks
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Is it possible to back without a reward and then upgrade to actual boxes during the pledge manager period? Apologies if this has been asked before, I couldn't find a relevant answer. Cheers!
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no you have to choose something
KipCujo wrote: What's the current number of free sprues unlocked per pledge?
It will tell you if you click to add any pledge to cart. Sometimes the system is 1 free sprue behind as they have to increase the number manually with every stretch goal..
With the beast men unlocked, I'm thinking about going in for 3 boxes. The thing is, when you pledge, they want you to choose all of your selections for free sprues. And I'm thinking I might devote a box to the vehicle if it becomes available, which means I'd need to change up my sprue choices so I don't miss out on the heavy infantry.
Can you do that after this is over? Or are your box / free sprue choices fixed after you submit your pledge?
Talking Banana wrote: With the beast men unlocked, I'm thinking about going in for 3 boxes. The thing is, when you pledge, they want you to choose all of your selections for free sprues. And I'm thinking I might devote a box to the vehicle if it becomes available, which means I'd need to change up my sprue choices so I don't miss out on the heavy infantry.
Can you do that after this is over? Or are your box / free sprue choices fixed after you submit your pledge?
Thought I was safe from this campaign, but then they had to go and unlock the beast men. And I do have ambitions of putting together a band of Chaos space marines, and they could use some cannon fodder cultist backup, so I got sucked in. Considering what it would have cost me to cherry pick all the sprues I wanted (+ shipping,) 3 boxes + seven free sprues (or whatever it was by the end) wasn't too much of a stretch. I probably won't be able to use it all, but it's good trading fodder.
Because really, who doesn't need some Renegade militia in their life?
I would have liked to see mutations and things like power armor, both of which I think WG would be wise to do anyway at some point. But I definitely wasn't expecting new hard plastic space beast men, so I tip my hat to WG all the same.
Very happy everything funded, though I'm not sold on the vehicle tbh.
I put in for 5 boxes, but if we can add more in the pledge manager I'll probably do so. Now my only decision is what all the extra sprues should be for.
GungHoGeeks
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Is it possible to back without a reward and then upgrade to actual boxes during the pledge manager period? Apologies if this has been asked before, I couldn't find a relevant answer. Cheers!
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no you have to choose something
ScarletRose wrote: Very happy everything funded, though I'm not sold on the vehicle tbh.
I put in for 5 boxes, but if we can add more in the pledge manager I'll probably do so. Now my only decision is what all the extra sprues should be for.
Agree, I like the concept of the vehicle, but I am not really sold on it for myself.
I'm also in for 5. I am thinking 3 boxes of the Damned Female Infantry, 2 boxes of the Heavies, then 4 more sprues of the heavies to make it 3 boxes worth, 3 sprues of Female Cannon Fodder, and then probably the rest in splits between the female/heavies, and probably the weapons teams. I really don't know at this stage, I need to consider what I am looking to make for a force. I've got something like 17 extra sprues so I have a lot of room to maneuver at the moment.
How to people find Field Ordinance in the game? I've heard it's pretty lackluster, and I have no idea if it's worth getting for this. Male Damned, Horses and Hounds are likely out, and I'd need probably 2 sprues of the command max if I need any of them. I'd rather bulk up on the female sets and convert them over to weapons teams to be honest.
What do other folks have planned? I might need some ideas on force composition.
GungHoGeeks
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Is it possible to back without a reward and then upgrade to actual boxes during the pledge manager period? Apologies if this has been asked before, I couldn't find a relevant answer. Cheers!
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TheDamned-Creator
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no you have to choose something
Welp, guess they get $1 and no more, then.
They said they will accept late pledges once the pledge manager opens, if you’re interested.
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Garrac wrote: Oooh, i didn't expect the vehicle to be finally funded! I would have added it to my pledge, alltho i could swear it was at the 300k stretch goal?
It got moved to $290k sometime during the campaign to help drive interest.
I did the 15 box... which I think is 58 free sprues...
I hope the mutation sprue is made for those who wanted them... I probably wouldn't have gotten any of them, but hopefully those that do want them will get to be able to get them.
I am not sure now what my choices will be... if the vehicle can be chosen as one of the box choices then I may try and add a 3 box deal of all transports when the pledge manager opens. I am wondering though if the vehicle can be selected though since the listed price is higher than the other boxes... and the wording of the goal "can be selected as an add-on" makes it sound like maybe it cant?
I need to stop buying stuff though... I went all in on the newest Zombicide and am getting a big army from Fireforge's samurai and another from Shieldwolf's Araves... so this will likely be my last "big" purchase... I wasnt planning on going big on this one... but the deal was way too good to pass up... with the Free sprues the 15 box is more like 30+ boxes...
Edit: And the flex pay thing was really the enabler for me... being able to break up the payment over 3 months gaming budget was... yeah I couldnt resist that.
Charlie-WargamesAtlantic
6/23/2023 2:11 AM Hey, yes, as the vehicle was unlocked at the last minute of the campaign I appreciate most people won’t have had the chance to add this to their pledges or even add additional boxes in order to include it with their pledges. Once the pledge manager open in a couple of weeks time you will be able to purchase the vehicle as an add on or add it to your rewards.
That kind of sounds like you can select it as part of your pledge, right?
Yeah, I hope we can get an answer on this and the hinted at kits.
I've wanted to put my money were my mouth is and support a company bringing its plastic manufacturing to the US for a long time. I'm just glad it was this project and WGA.
Charlie-WargamesAtlantic 6/23/2023 2:11 AM Hey, yes, as the vehicle was unlocked at the last minute of the campaign I appreciate most people won’t have had the chance to add this to their pledges or even add additional boxes in order to include it with their pledges. Once the pledge manager open in a couple of weeks time you will be able to purchase the vehicle as an add on or add it to your rewards.
That kind of sounds like you can select it as part of your pledge, right?
Kinda does... but it's also listed as a 45$ addon when the rest are 35$
Oof I certainly hope they include it as selectable. I finally hopped in when the vehicle was imminent specifically because I wanted to give them my business for getting into the vehicle game. The language in the pledges specifically says "choose any (#) of the unlocked boxes", but I honestly didn't even notice they were different prices.
I finished on 5+3 box pledges, should be more than I can ever paint, RIP 15 box pledgers.
15? I'm in for 23. I planned out a Sons of Sekh and a blood pact army Will be a lot to paint and I'm so hyped!
lol same, my traitor guard Kill Team are all Sons of Sek troops, and I'm torn between going full Sekkite using the Damned models, or a mix of Sek and Pact (for the times when they fought each other). But a pal of mine has a small Pact army so may wind up just doing just Sons of Sek in the end.
I finished on 5+3 box pledges, should be more than I can ever paint, RIP 15 box pledgers.
15? I'm in for 23. I planned out a Sons of Sekh and a blood pact army Will be a lot to paint and I'm so hyped!
lol same, my traitor guard Kill Team are all Sons of Sek troops, and I'm torn between going full Sekkite using the Damned models, or a mix of Sek and Pact (for the times when they fought each other). But a pal of mine has a small Pact army so may wind up just doing just Sons of Sek in the end.
Those models look great!
I'm planning a very similar color scheme for my troops. They will be different from the kill Team and BSF traitor guard.
Kinda related: the arms of the Damned should be compatible with other WGA kits, so I'm planning to build some ratlings with snipers and WGA Halflings. Now only an enginseer techpriest is missing to represent all infantry options if I recall correctly
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: hopefully the vehicle price is another break for 'real' backers who got a multi box deal and we'll be able to select it as a pick
although even if we can't i'll get one, be churlish not to since it got unlocked
It's the one kit I can't make up my mind on. It will likely depend on how easy it is to add extra boxes for me.
I imagine I'll probably ignore the vehicle, there's plenty of good not-40k vehicle STLs out there and a vehicle is easier for me to print than 24 dudes.
I finished on 5+3 box pledges, should be more than I can ever paint, RIP 15 box pledgers.
15? I'm in for 23. I planned out a Sons of Sekh and a blood pact army Will be a lot to paint and I'm so hyped!
lol same, my traitor guard Kill Team are all Sons of Sek troops, and I'm torn between going full Sekkite using the Damned models, or a mix of Sek and Pact (for the times when they fought each other). But a pal of mine has a small Pact army so may wind up just doing just Sons of Sek in the end.
Those models look great!
I'm planning a very similar color scheme for my troops. They will be different from the kill Team and BSF traitor guard.
Kinda related: the arms of the Damned should be compatible with other WGA kits, so I'm planning to build some ratlings with snipers and WGA Halflings. Now only an enginseer techpriest is missing to represent all infantry options if I recall correctly
lord_blackfang wrote:Careful, WGA halflings are MESBG scale, so extremely petite on top of being short.
Yep, (correction) bigger than LOTR but still very small, especially the hands. If you want halfling snipers from WGA, you're probably going to have to get rifles from a historical kit or some other 28/25mm line that runs toward the smaller/truer scale.
lord_blackfang wrote:Careful, WGA halflings are MESBG scale, so extremely petite on top of being short.
Yep, very small. If you want halfling snipers from WGA, you're probably going to have to get rifles from a historical kit or some other 28/25mm line that runs toward the smaller/truer scale.
Those look really nice, unfortunately they seem to be sufficient to get in Germany and don't look that much like ... Damned. (They look damned good but not damned ... Haha ... )
I like that the WGA Halflings medival look, the chainmail matches a lot of the typical GW Chaos styles.
Mantic Halflings seem better sized for my purpose but I don't really dig their style ...
With their rounded chest plates, The Mantic halflings are halfway to a damned aesthetic already, but if you want chain mail hobbits in heroic scale, I don't know what's out there.
I do think there are Mantic Halflings with more plate armor too though. Could maybe lean into the Chaos warrior aesthetic?
lord_blackfang wrote: Careful, WGA halflings are MESBG scale, so extremely petite on top of being short.
yooo they definitely are not. WGA Halflings are definitely heroic proportions, they are taller and their heads are 100% larger in volume than SBG Hobbits.
lord_blackfang wrote: Careful, WGA halflings are MESBG scale, so extremely petite on top of being short.
yooo they definitely are not. WGA Halflings are definitely heroic proportions, they are taller and their heads are 100% larger in volume than SBG Hobbits.
That's true. I'll correct my post. However, the WGA halflings still do have tiny hands compared to WGA and most other companies SCI FI figures., Making weapon swaps difficult. You could use sniper rifles from WW2 kits, but they'd look awful small next to the rest of the force's weaponry.
Slightly shaving down the hands and resculpting them smaller would be a fun learning experience. The GW ratlings in Blackstone fortress hat disproportionately large hands, so just using three big hands might work too. The real issue would be the shoulder width. If I'm lucky and the weapons and arms are modeled like the cannon fodder or deathstrike upgrade sprue, the left hand isn't modeled into the fun and I'm more flexible with the position. I will wait and see (almost a curse this fraise) how the sniper weapon is done, if the hands are separate this project will be a lot easier.
Back to WGA news: according to their last gamefound update, a new plastic kit goes on preorder next week, any idea what is could be?
Perfect Organism wrote: New sneak peek. Pretty clearly death fields (or at least some kind of SF) halflings, probably sharpshooters. Hopefully plastic.
Perfect Organism wrote: New sneak peek. Pretty clearly death fields (or at least some kind of SF) halflings, probably sharpshooters. Hopefully plastic.
I know we are still on the high of the Damned campaign, but I'm really glad to see the progress on the new cavalry mounts that was previewed.
And I know some brought up camels the other day. What's the chances of that? I always wanted to do an all-American Civil War kit bash were camels were used more prominently.
New Plastic Release: Grognard Cavalry!
This set was so popular on our Atlantic Digital product line we have converted it over to bring out in plastic. The parts are off to file prep now and we should have a layout to show off in a couple weeks.
Heck yeah! I love how perfectly they fit in a grimdark future. I’ll have to save a horse or two to use with conquistador parts for a grimdark old world Voting Duke with dwarf-forged Glyphblade.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: New Plastic Release: Grognard Cavalry!
This set was so popular on our Atlantic Digital product line we have converted it over to bring out in plastic. The parts are off to file prep now and we should have a layout to show off in a couple weeks.
Here are some of the poses that can be achieved:
I want to like these guys, but they just aren't hitting the spot for me. The armour, especially the 'tusks', seems like a poor match for the Grognards' aesthetic (and the random armour plates are yet again very 'generic sci-fi'), and the horses are just a little bit too small, probably because they were meant to be typical historical horses, not the big warhorses I associate with 18/19th century cavalry, and not for the extra-chunky 'heroic' scale of Death Fields.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: New Plastic Release: Grognard Cavalry!
This set was so popular on our Atlantic Digital product line we have converted it over to bring out in plastic. The parts are off to file prep now and we should have a layout to show off in a couple weeks.
Here are some of the poses that can be achieved:
I want to like these guys, but they just aren't hitting the spot for me. The armour, especially the 'tusks', seems like a poor match for the Grognards' aesthetic (and the random armour plates are yet again very 'generic sci-fi'), and the horses are just a little bit too small, probably because they were meant to be typical historical horses, not the big warhorses I associate with 18/19th century cavalry, and not for the extra-chunky 'heroic' scale of Death Fields.
I'll give these a meh. I'm not quite sure about the style and I think the Damned Cav looks better. Still, I think they will find a good number of buyers.
Took a look at the digital version of the cav and I'm a bit more impressed. Looks like the odd flowy rubber sections are optional. If that is retained in the plastic kit, I think that'd be a good thing and a definite improvement to leave them off. Still like the Damned cav better, but that's just a matter of presence.
Why they have so long caparisons the horse would just step on it and trip breaking a leg? And how on earth do they flow ahead of the horse?
And yup, they are way too tiny, they look like Mongol half-ponies, not proper breed warhorses.
Another thing that bothers me, full length rifle (with a bayonet to make it even sillier - I invite whoever sculpted this to try and bayonet something from a horse and tell us how the buttstock hitting them straight in the face felt) instead of carbine? You know, that thing all cavalry through the entire recorded history used (especially if we count short cavalry bows as a kind of 'carbine' too) because the alternative just didn't work?
[and AGAIN, if you want to make 40K proxies, give them frakking kinda-sorta proxy weapons too, namely lances with explosive tips and other bits of futuristic melee/shooting they can take, this right here kinds kills the viability of the unit right now]
the KS is projected to deliver May 2024, but they were hoping to do so earlier (but there were a lot of unlocks so whether that will still be possible?),
i'd imagine retail may run a bit behind, and probably not involve the whole lot dropping all at once
I'd gladly buy the not-French not-rough-riders but as others have said the barding/drapes/headpieces are all just a bit too much. Normal heads and the chestpiece without the cloth might look fine.
RustyNumber wrote: I'd gladly buy the not-French not-rough-riders but as others have said the barding/drapes/headpieces are all just a bit too much. Normal heads and the chestpiece without the cloth might look fine.
FYI, Hudson said those are optional bits on facebook a few days ago
Has WGA posted a pledge manager for the Damned campaign? I searched my emails but I have been so busy with work that I could believe I missed it in the Spam folder.
Charlie posted in the comments about a week ago that it was waiting for gamefound approval so its likely to be very soon (unless a glitch has been found they need to solve)
Can people that missed the window to pledge do so now again?
It looks like I can upgrade and/ or complete my pledge. No sign of being able to make a new pledge but, then again, this is my first time on Gamefound.
In the gamefound comments, WGA wrote that the pledge manager will be closed in 7-8 weeks, after all sprue layouts have been disclosed. While I'm pretty much decided on what sets to take, this will heavily influenced the extra sprues I will want to grab.
It's hard to tell from such a small image, but I think those are WW1 Russians. The masks look like Zelinsky-Kummant ones, and (some of) the rifles might be Mosin-Nagant carbines (or just normal moist nuggets with 'heroic' proportions). They could also be Winter War Finns, since they used a lot of old Imperial Russian kit.
Does anyone know if the add-ons allow for the flex pay option? I think i want to add a 5 box deal. I am thinking:
• Terrae Motus Armored Vehicle x2
• The Damned Heavy Infantry x1
• The Damned Beastmen x1
• The Damned Hounds x1
• The Damned Command sprue x5
• The Damned Artillery sprue x2
• The Damned Weapons team sprue x3
• The Damned Brutes x4
• The Damned Outriders x4
• The Damned Hounds x3
Stretch Pay in pledge manager and late pledge stage
You can't add items to Stretch Pay once you get your payment plan for crowdfunding, as it doesn't include the purchases made after crowdfunding's end. The payment plan won't include items added after crowdfunding. You can only pay for them in full at checkout. Pledges made after crowdfunding don't affect Stretch Pay in any way. This means you have to pay for these items at checkout and pay off the installments separately.[spoiler]
Finalizing free sprue selection is harder than I thought it would be. Initially I was going to get a bunch of Einherjahr sprues even though they are only 3 to a sprue. But now I’m thinking I should mix in more variety of the other sprues and just pick up a box of Einherjahr separately.
Fugazi wrote: Finalizing free sprue selection is harder than I thought it would be. Initially I was going to get a bunch of Einherjahr sprues even though they are only 3 to a sprue. But now I’m thinking I should mix in more variety of the other sprues and just pick up a box of Einherjahr separately.
Yeah, homie & I were discussing this earlier. I'm completely lost as which boxes to get and what sprues to supplement what I am buying and my pre-existing army.
That's obviously a Martini-Henry, although heroic proportions make it hard to judge exactly what model.
The bayonet looks like a 'marine cutlass' bayonet to me. I think there was a similar looking artillery bayonet too.
Hard to tell much from the sleeves, but they have cuffs. I believe that the Royal Marines (I think they would be most likely to be using marine cutlass bayonets) had sleeves without cuffs in WW1, so this looks more nineteenth century. I also think that cutlass bayonets were more popular earlier, with knife bayonets being standard by the twentieth century.
alphaecho wrote: The cutlasses of the gun crews could be fitted to muskets/ rifles to create pikes to prevent boarding especially through gunports.
I think the early Martini-Henry bayonets were adapted from ones designed for Enfield 1853 pattern rifles (and Snider-Enfields). According to Wikipedia, the 1845 pattern cutlass was modified into the 1859 cutlass sword-bayonet, which was itself modified to make the 1871 pattern I think we are looking at. The 'marine' in 'marine cutlass' seems to mean 'for use at sea' rather than specifically for use by the Royal Marines, so sailors would have had access to them too.
We would need to see the other side to confirm, but I think those might be front parts for the torsos that fit on the bodies, not full torsos that require additional legs.
Dear WGA - have you thought about releasing hero sets in HIPS (and without the integral bases)? What I mean by that is a kit that will allow to build various RPG/wargame heroes. It would consist of let's say 5 very different bodies which will allow to build very different minis with different loads. For example, a body for a a thief/assassin etc., a body for a wizard/druid etc., a body for a knight/paladin etc., a body for a bowman/crossbowman etc., a body for a man at arms/guardian etc. There would be various weapons/accessories there to allow players to customize their minis. If there will remain some space on a sprue then you cannot go wrong with a dog
Something like the old Mordheim / Empire Militia kit from GW (or their wizard kit, which I think is still available, but expensive) or the various Frostgrave kits (only without their unusually small figures and horrid puddle bases) seems like a gap in the market at the moment. Just generic guys (and girls) in medieval-ish (or renaissance-ish) clothing with a good selection of arms holding weapons, bottles, bags, and torches / lanterns. Probably need one kit each for robes, jackets, and mail (since each would have distinct sleeves) with possibly only a few bodies per sprue. Price point can be relatively high, since 'characters' are seldom needed in large numbers.
A reasonably priced alternative to Wizkids frameworks would be a nice thing, especially if it offered up multiple bodies.
You make it generic enough you might get the more hobby- inclined DM types wanting to bulk up on basic character archetypes to harangue their players that way too.
Or crazies like us who just want to build weird stuff.
Not an official thing, but this is sort of already available from the many resellers of separate sprues from WGA, North Star, Mantic, etc.
You can buy one sprue for $5-9 bucks that gives you a whole bunch of options for creating several characters from a particular race/theme/etc.
An "RPG Party" kit does sound like it has potential though what's the set look like? Could you fit 5 characters on a sprue with alternate torsos (like the quar models) for male and female figures, and enough weapons to keep folks interested? However, would someone want to buy a box with 4 or 5 of those identical sprues?
At this point it seems better to mix and match 5 separate sprues from various lines. That's going to run you $30-45 bucks and will get you around 25 figures and a ton of options.
A company like Recreational Conflict or McDougal Designs will sell by the sprue.
Eilif wrote: However, would someone want to buy a box with 4 or 5 of those identical sprues?
I meant the box with max 5 bodies but multiple options to build them = max 2 sprues, one of them being options only. That is why the bodies needs to be very different like in my example above but they need to have plenty of arms (with and without the weapons/objects), heads etc. etc. to make wide variety of heroes from that kit.
About a year ago I did a mini review on the WA forums of the d&d Patchworks. Hudson Adams responded saying:
Hudson Adams Moderator
"How much interest is there out there for character figures on the sprue do you think? We've been talking about a range like this with the Classic Fantasy types and/or possibly a sprue that lets you customize to have your RPG character at different levels. Any interest in that type of product? What would you want for how much $?"
Hudson responded in a couple... and it sounds like he wanted to go the single figure route... but since the last discussion was over a year ago I doubt there has been any real progress on it.
As Reaper finds, the more options you give people the more reason the find not to buy something that isn't perfectly matched to what they have in their head
the so called 'ranger with a bow' problem
so while a generic set of bodies with plenty of options should sell well, especially to RPG players it seems it's pretty tricky to get people to actually buy them, especially if they're packaged with something else that the player doesn't want 'i'm not buying that perfect wizard because it's got a familiar on a separate base with it and my wizard doesn't have a familiar'
Frostgrave and stargrave i think struck a decent halfway point for customization vs getting useful amounts of figures per sprue/box. Especially with how much each set can be mixed with the others.
I would love if there were WGA hero sprues along the lines of Frostgraves wizards:
(Yes, I know I gave her a WGA head and a converted quill, but the rest is all from the Frostgrave lady wizards.)
Imagine a sprue with maybe two male bodies, two female bodies, a bunch of heads, multiple arms that fit with all bodies, and a ton of accessories.
Do a generic fighter, generic cleric, generic wizard, explore maybe a gnome or dwarf set (so hard to find modular female dwarves).
I guess I'm spoiled by McDougall designs selling me a sprue at a time as needed. So I might buy only two or three of any given proposed hero sprue. But sometimes I don't need a whole regiment of something. The Frostgrave wizard boxes hit a sweet spot for me as it's a total of 8 models with a billion bits.
Yeah, I basically just want Frostgrave models without the scale issues and puddle bases. I don't know if there are enough people who want FG-like models but are also fussy about those specific details to make it a viable business model now that everyone who isn't fussy about them has already invested in FG models.
On the other hand, you can presumably also flog them to FG players, so long as the price is close enough.
I guess one option would be to go with an aesthetic quite dissimilar to Frostgrave; maybe more of a Boris Vallejo / Frank Frazetta sword-and-sorcery look with plenty of exposed skin. Cheesecake seems to sell well, but is badly served by the current market. GW try and do some, but their inability to do good human anatomy usually gives grotesque results. Northstar prefer to keep their women well-covered (possibly because their big fantasy game is set in a very cold place).
However, WA seem like they are more interested in imitating Northstar than distinguishing themselves from them. Apart from the lizardmen and ogres, their 'classic fantasy' models have puddle bases and an aesthetic which fits in well with Frostgrave and Oathmark.
If I was in charge of WA and interested in breaking into the roleplayer market, I'd probably focus more on monsters to start with, because those are something GMs might want to buy large numbers of. Simple wild animals (wolves, bears, big cats, snakes, crows, bats, rats) are weirdly hard to find even in metal and resin, let alone plastic. Many of them could easily be given head options to turn them into prehistoric / fantasy / alien / mutant / cyborg versions too.
lord_blackfang wrote: So WGA just did a KS where the expected buy-in was somewhere north of 20 sprues.
How many of these single pose heroes you folks gonna buy?
The Command box is probably right in line with the premise with the number of models and the amount of options (presumably as nothing solid has been shown yet))
I posted what I ordered... and am still planning on going in for another 5 boxes if I can allocate more hobby budget before the PM closes...
Incidentally, I found this image on Pinterest and now want to see if I can convert some damned in to fantasy..
It's going to be a long wait, I know. But every time I see this thread updated I keep hoping the Damned's Beastmen are done.
Really excited to have some Beastmen traitor guard to kitbash in hard plastic. Now if they'd just make that mutation sprue in hard plastic too, life would be perfect.
Perfect Organism wrote: Simple wild animals (wolves, bears, big cats, snakes, crows, bats, rats) are weirdly hard to find even in metal and resin, let alone plastic.
Told them about those months ago, and they said they will think about it. Hopefully they will be made some day.
lord_blackfang wrote: So WGA just did a KS where the expected buy-in was somewhere north of 20 sprues.
How many of these single pose heroes you folks gonna buy?
The Command box is probably right in line with the premise with the number of models and the amount of options (presumably as nothing solid has been shown yet))
I posted what I ordered... and am still planning on going in for another 5 boxes if I can allocate more hobby budget before the PM closes...
Incidentally, I found this image on Pinterest and now want to see if I can convert some damned in to fantasy..
That would indeed be awesome. Just need mor3 heads and melee weapons
There is no cure BTW from the local retailers I could get both GW characters and squads cheaper than those D&D ones. Maybe in my country they are priced too high but paying for example for a box of 7 kobolds more than twice than for 2 boxes each of 20 GW goblins is too much for me.
Since WGA has partnered with Reptilian Overlords for their Spacenam models i'm really hoping that they'll eventually do their Mercenaries and Militia STL stuff in hard plastic. Its basically their version of the old Empire free company kit with a gak load of options, they've also got a pretty cool sci-fi expansion set with some new torsos and gun arms that turn the models into Feudal guard.
I do like the sci-fi version of the Reptilian Overlords not-empire. However I would assume that regarding a WGA fantasy version, they're not likely to do very resized, slightly different plastic version of a kit they already sell.
Are they bullpups or FN90-style horizontal magazines?
Spoiler:
I think the FN90 is also 'technically' a bullpup because it has the chamber behind the trigger, so maybe 'are they traditional bullpups...' would be more accurate.
legionaires wrote: Do we still have time to put in what sprue rewards we would like? Been out of touch with a trip and a medical issue.
Yes the gamefound pledge manager is up and running and you can select you rewards from the crowd funder, add extra money, or sign up if you didn't get round to it when the project was live
(you'll need to delete your old reward selection then re-add it to get the correct number of extra sprues if you hadn't realised yet as the gamefound software couldn't cope will adding stuff to an already selected reward)
Karl has been diligently getting our website up to snuff and adding features (more on that next week!) and one of the latest additions is Product Reviews!
Now each product page has a section for you to add your reviews of our figures.
To celebrate adding this late 1990s feature to the site we are going to be choosing 3 reviewers each month to receive a free box set or digital product of their choice!
So pop over to a product you already own and leave a review for a chance at fame and fortune!
Sorry for jumping in with a question that may have been covered but - any idea when the Damned stuff will be made and shipped? first time i've done a crowdfunder, not sure how it works.
PaddyMick wrote: Sorry for jumping in with a question that may have been covered but - any idea when the Damned stuff will be made and shipped? first time i've done a crowdfunder, not sure how it works.
The delivery date on Gamefound is May 2024, so they've got a bit of time. I'm sure we'll get updates as production goes along.
Well, I was finally able to add another 5 box deal... so I am done now.
* Terrae Motus armored vehicle x 2
* The Damned Heavy Infantry
* The Damned Beastmen
* The Damned Hounds
* The Damned Command Sprue x 5
* The Damned Artillery Sprue x 2
* The Damned Weapons Team Sprue x 3
* The Damned Brutes Sprue x 4
* The Damned Outriders Sprue x 4
* The Damned Hounds Sprue x 3
maybe chinese civil war troops? it was a conflict largely occurring between ww1 and ww2 (when the fighting largely got put on hold due to the japanese invasion) before starting back up after ww2.
looking at some of the pictures of the troops from that conflict, the uniform and grenade looks like it could from that place and period. at least for the Republic of China forces.(the communist forces used such gear too thanks to theft and salvage, but were less uniform in outfits due to being mostly guerillas.)
and i could see them doing Republic of China forces from their roughly ww2 period as a way to add some variety to their "worlds ablaze" line.
The cap at the bottom of the grenade's stick looks really distinctive, but doesn't match any I know of. I'm fairly sure it isn't British or German, but I don't know of any other countries which used stick-grenades (which weren't just using copies of British or German ones). I guess it could be a very, very bulked up version of the M1917 Stielhandgranate's lobed cap.
The row of six pouches across the belly also seems pretty specific and I'm sure I've seen it before but I can't remember where. Most rigs like that have five pouches or a buckle splitting two blocks of three. Could maybe be something intended as a bandolier worn in an unconventional way?
By the 20th Century, I'd expect that kind of 'falchion' sword to only be found in or near China. It does look pretty spot-on for a big dao, but there were similar swords in other cultures.
For what it's worth, Osprey Men-at-Arms 306 (Chinese Civil War Armies) has an illustration (colour plate C) which includes a Chinese nationalist soldier wearing something fairly similar; the collar and pouches aren't identical, but I could believe they were both based on the same source.
The arrangement of the bandolier reminds me of the ones used for SKS/Type 56 ammunition and I can see the uniform working for NVA. Don't know about the sword though
skrulnik wrote: The row of pouches & the pocket are clipping into each other.
That kind of thing seems to be fairly common on WA works-in-progress. I think it's just the workflow that the sculptors use, designing separate bits and then merging them together. I imagine there is quite a bit of clean-up at the end and the final kits all seem fine.
In case anyone doesn't recognize it, that's the Dendra panoply; a suit of bronze armour from late Mycenaean Greece.
I was under the impression that it would have been strictly for people fighting from chariots, but it seems that view is somewhat outdated and it could have been for heavy infantry. That would match the Mycenaean heavy infantry mentioned as coming for Atlantic Digital.
So WGA are partnered with Zombiesmith to produce plastic Quar. What are the Quar? Anthropomorphized anteaters?
This is another one of those kits I only want a sprue for kit-bashing. Same with the Halfling Sneakfeet (although they are likely to become anthropomorphized mice: I've mice heads from Sally 4th Games on order).
Ancestral Hamster wrote: So WGA are partnered with Zombiesmith to produce plastic Quar. What are the Quar? Anthropomorphized anteaters?
This is another one of those kits I only want a sprue for kit-bashing. Same with the Halfling Sneakfeet (although they are likely to become anthropomorphized mice: I've mice heads from Sally 4th Games on order).
Quar are vaugely anteater like, but otherwise they're just people like you and me. There's no magic, there's no fantastical beasts (relatively speaking) just little guys. They eat primarily insects, but will eat any meat or plants that they could feasibly fit in their mouths. They've been in various minor to major wars non-stop for 700 years. as of the last 20 a new ideology known as the Crusade has arisen, believing this state of war is due to the upper class of Quar (quar tend to be very tribe/clan based) wanting to minimize damage to their property and the property of the other nobles. As such, they believe that nobles must either be overturned or these wars will go on forever. On the other side of the crusaders are the Royalists, who are basically everyone else who can range from monarchists to more reform-minded consitutional monarchists, and multiple countries fall under the banner. The range is amazing, but is primarily metal, and with most of it's attempts to breach into the mainstream (primarily videogames) being failures due to just being a bad game or VR only. The kit WGA is working are primarly infantry for the crusaders and Croftyrans, the largest loyalist faction.
If you're interested in more, PDF versions of the rulebooks are all free, while physical copies are 35-30$. The miniatures come in 28mm and 15mm, the latter including vehicles so you can play larger games. (however there are vehicle creation rules allowing you to run say, historical tanks in 28mm)
Steel Wool, makers of the VR game also made a little animatic for them as well!
I misunderstood at first and thought the Quar were another one of those WGA products born of some crazy brainstorming sessions, for example, dual fantasy/ sci-fi lizard and spider kits but it appears they will assist other firms bring their ideas to plastic life through their outsource program
Makes sense. WGA had fits and starts dealing with plastic production in China before transferring production to within the USA so why not help others. The additional revenue streams won't hurt either.
I am very excited about seeing WGA bringing plastic Quar kits into the world. I had hoped they would have been released by now but everything in this hobby takes longer than planned it seems.
Josh @ Zombiesmith has said he has a number of new metal sculpts and resin prints (vehicles) to release alongside the new plastic Quar as well as the updated Quar skirmish game, “A Rhyfler's Pocket-Book 2.0”.
"Next week we will begin sharing parts images from each of The Damned sets so that you can get a true idea of the flexibility of the range and just how much fun you're going to have building and painting these models."
Looks like some heavy support for the bulldogs, although it seems to me that steampunk power cell would be tricky to injection-mould, so maybe a digital release. Depending on exactly how cutting moulds works, those wheels could be a problem too, but it does seem physically possible to cast them with two faces; you just need your mould line to follow a zig-zag.
It's been a bit busy with two different frames going to T1 (test shot) over the last couple days. One we posted at our site - the WW1 Russians (also useful for Russian Civil War and Back of Beyond):
https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/ww1-russians-frame
We have also announced some big changes to our Vox Populi system. This is where you vote on sets we'll produce. The new format has reduced the number of entries down to 12, increased the denominations of the votes (folks didn't like having to redeem multiple $5 vouchers so now you can choose $5, $10, $25, or $50), and we also changed the criteria for how quickly sets will move through the process. On October 1 we'll take the Vox Populi entry with the MOST votes and move that one onto the next phase. And then we'll replace it by holding a poll for sets you've suggested using the #voxatlantic hashtag.
WW1 British are starting to ship out of our US and UK warehouses this week and are en route to Australia. We're also running at full steam on two injection presses to get as many restocks caught up as possible.
The Quar Game, WW1 Russian box, and Dark Age Shields set are all being printed/getting ready to run plastic. Grognard Cavalry, Sneakfeet, Afghan Cavalry, Skeleton Cavalry, and a couple other things are somewhere in the tooling process so a lot will be hitting over the next several weeks.
I like the Quar, and would like to get a box for something different and to support Zombiesmith's cool creativity. I *Love* the To'ok (relatively low tech Power armored aliens) though. Maybe they will do them as well at some point.
kestral wrote: I like the Quar, and would like to get a box for something different and to support Zombiesmith's cool creativity. I *Love* the To'ok (relatively low tech Power armored aliens) though. Maybe they will do them as well at some point.
I also like the To‘'ok, particularly the unarmored sculpts, and it would be nice to see them get further development.
kestral wrote: I like the Quar, and would like to get a box for something different and to support Zombiesmith's cool creativity. I *Love* the To'ok (relatively low tech Power armored aliens) though. Maybe they will do them as well at some point.
I agree. I recently bought a large batch of metal Quar used, so I don't actually need plastic Quar, but I'll definitely buy some plastic Quar for conversions and such and to do my tiny part to support the future viability of plastic Quar and other oddball plastic kits.
We also have some of our Digital sets available to be able to be purchased printed and in blister packs. This is done through our partner Only-Games.co in the UK. We only have some of the sets available now but a new project is starting up soon to get the majority onto Only-Games.
Could be better for those who don't have a printer oŕ want to faff around buying files and then finding a print service.
Only Games have been stuck on 38 products for some time now.
Charlie wrote:
Let's take a closer look at the parts that have been sculpted for the gene-edited warriors!
Hello you horrible damned lot!
Today I thought we would take a little look at the parts that have been sculpted for The Damned Gene-edited Warriors so far. Below you will see a complete image of all those parts.
The one thing you will notice is that there is a shortage of heads!
Well, I'm sure you are all sat there with ideas just desperate to escape your brain and find their way into the comments below! So have at it! Let us know in the comments below what heads you want to see on your beastmen models.
Speaking of heads, lets take a closer look at what we've got so far.
Now I am a big fan of the sack totting goat heads! I'm also in love with the eyebrow raising heads. Don't forget the heads from other infantry sized set will fit the torsos from this set and vice versa.
The best thing about doing these updates is that I get to choose what we take a closer look at! Let's be honest, I'm sure I'm not the only one who likes their ravening beastmen to be armed with big two handed choppers!
Look at those! My particular favourite is the one at the top right there. I can just picture the axe head being dragged along the floor as the frenzied warrior charges headlong into a line of enemy infantry!
You'll also notice that there's a raft of single handed melee weapons, pistols and smg's in the mix. We'll even try and squeeze on a couple of those riot shields too!
Once the extra heads have been sculpted this set will head to the layout stage to determine what can fit on the frame and the engineering team will take a look at all the parts to make sure they are viable for casting.
So, let us know what you think and be sure to comment below with your head suggestions. If it's not warthog heads then you're wrong!
The beastmen look better than I was thinking they would... I ended up putting in 1 box and 3 sprues of them... and I have some RBJ Beastmen I will probably mix in with left over WGA beastmen parts...
I am still not entirely sold on the 4 cloven hooved legs and 2 catpaw legs... so 16 hooved guys and 8 cat guys per box. But I like them more now... Of the heads... I like the first 2 gas mask heads on the bottom row best.
If it is for digital release then they will come with dual body options, with and without. If physical, to date all their plastic fantasy releases have had puddle bases.
That's what I thought too when I saw this in my e-mail, but then I read what they'd cited as their Mood: Strider-y. Based on that I'm wagering on rangers. After all, there were two Half-elven rangers in LotR, the sons of Elrond. And plenty of fantasy games both physical and electronic have Elves and Half-Elves as rangers and scouts, so adding a few pointy eared heads. While current players of Rangers of Shadowdeep probably have all the rangers they need, such a kit will give flexibility for newer players and any fantasy game that needs light skirmishing Spec Ops types like the Rangers of the North.
“I am Aragorn son of Arathorn; and if by life or death I can save you, I will.”
If it is for digital release then they will come with dual body options, with and without. If physical, to date all their plastic fantasy releases have had puddle bases.
I think we're in agreement. I trim puddle bases all the time, including from metal miniatures, which is a major pain in the buttocks. But I love it when I don't have to.
UPDATE #37
10/9/2023 11:14 AM Who wants Heavy Infantry?!
Update #37
When you just need something a little more elite!
Hello you 'orrible Damned backers!
It's Charlie here again and today we are taking a look at the shock troops of The Damned, the Heavy Infantry.
Well then, there's a lot to discuss here! The first thing that grabs me is the variety of ranged weapons on offer. I'm a big fan of their dual barrelled rifles. It is very easy to imagine the amount of damage these elite shock troopers could deal when storming an enemy position with those.
If that isn't enough then these stalwart individuals also have access to grenade launchers, flamethrowers and multiple energy weapons! My favourite has to be the grenade launcher. It's the noise I can hear in my mind as it fires "ploonk, ploonk, ploonk" before the shell detonates and blows a handful of unsuspecting soldiers to pieces!
Let's not forget the body of the model, literally. Rob (sculptor) has captured a lot of movement in each of the bodies. Unfortunately not all of them will make it to the sprue due to space restrictions. For me a kneeling body is a must. Choosing which ones to leave behind will be tough!
I really do like the additional body armour the Heavy Infantry is wearing. Particularly the gorget protecting the throats of the infantrymen. Don't forget that the melee weapons from the Gene-edited Warriors will fit just fine on these bodies!
Finally, I am sure you have noticed the number of head options that Rob has sculpted, I am loving the bald heads with gas masks, they look great but there's a clear favourite for me. Inspired by Japanese Men-yoroi masks, if the weapons they carry don't instil fear in their enemy then these masks definitely will!
Let us know what you think in the comments below. Don't forget, this is just the parts that have been sculpted and not exactly what will be on the sprue. And with that I will leave you until the next update!
Not a huge fan of the above heads... Though I do kind of like the bald gas mask, almost Riddick head... I will probably use regular trooper or female trooper heads... but likely will skip the demon mask heads. May use some spare Eisenkern heads...
The oni-masks certainly have a blood-pact feel. Correct me if i am wrong, but this is the first time that particular look has been produced in plastic?
McDougall Designs wrote: The oni-masks certainly have a blood-pact feel. Correct me if i am wrong, but this is the first time that particular look has been produced in plastic?
I daresay The Damned pledgers who do not want to use the Oni masks will be able to move them on with little effort initially.
2. BEF/Home Guard Vox Populi first "winner" is at 39% and rising and we'll be adding a big update with final Peter Dennis artwork, revised parts, and planned frame inclusions
3. The 12th entry for Vox Populi will go up for vote soon too.
The gunshield is the British 2 pounder QF cannon from the late 30s through the early part of WWII, so it could be that, or something for the bulldogs...
McDougall Designs wrote: The oni-masks certainly have a blood-pact feel. Correct me if i am wrong, but this is the first time that particular look has been produced in plastic?
McDougall Designs wrote: The oni-masks certainly have a blood-pact feel. Correct me if i am wrong, but this is the first time that particular look has been produced in plastic?
Mad Robot Miniatures, Crimson Pak are nice
The helmets are close but not quite the Oni mask, so I would say these are the first plastic heads that put all the Blood Pact anesthetic together.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The gunshield is the British 2 pounder QF cannon from the late 30s through the early part of WWII, so it could be that, or something for the Bulldogs
More likely BEF.
I'm basing that theory solely on the existing Bulldog heavy weapon stl not looking anything like that teaser.
Now, if Wargames Atlantic could produce a BEF Support Group, I would love to see some of the poses reflect my beloved Airfix 1/32 scale plastic Support Group.
Warlord Games did it with Airfix soldiers inspiring some of the poses possible with the Warlord Afrika Korps and 8th Army sets.
Last Chance! I'm about to send the Spacenam HW files over to Wargames Atlantic But before I do I wanted to ask those of you who have the updated files, what you'd change or what you'd like to see in the plastic kit?
There are some really nice things on the damned previews, especially the weapons and bodies, but I wonder if things are still on track for their intended delivery in May next year.
We are essentially halfway through their schedule and the updates still mention that things might change and final parts might differ, which means the sprue layouts of most of the kits have likely not even started to be defined.
I think it would be important for wargames atlantic to get these out on time to make any future campaigns more attractive, given first impressions do matter a lot.
Either way, if the final sprues look nice I think I might add a few more bodies to the ranks when these kits hit retail.
