The best thing are of course the doggos. I hope that they, or rather some details of them like collars, bionics etc., are either generic enough or optional/easily removable, so they are able to be used as fantasy adversaries. It would double the profit for WGA as many fantasy only folk would/could be interested in having some monstrous dogs for their, especially mini agnostic, games.
Perfect Organism wrote: I suspect that the correct guesses were command (seems like a sure thing) and a vehicle (a bigger leap, but it's a very broad category, including small stuff like buggies, scout walkers, etc.)
One of the sneak peaks (upper right next to the cavalry) has a shell which seems too big for a standard mortar. Possibly some kind of larger artillery piece? Could either be a carriage-mounted weapon or a vehicle.
Other possibilities: midget scout-snipers, mutants (possibly bestial mutants), animals (probably dogs), special characters (like psis or assassins), or more vehicles.
My guesses (something of a wish-list, really) are going to be command squad (possibly including options for medics, enforcers, and psis), a large multi-purpose vehicle kit (which can build an APC, light tank, or SPG), midget snipers, and mutant attack dogs (which will be the one they didn't expect to be guessed).
Coming to Game Found May 26th we are excited to announce our first crowdfunding campaign in partnership with the fine folks at MiniWargaming!
This campaign will be focused on releasing 8 full hard plastic sets for the newest Death Fields' faction: The Damned! (their backstory can be found at the bottom of the page).
These 8 sets will let you build a full army of The Damned and includes plastic sets for:
Infantry
Command
Brutes
Outriders
Heavy Support Teams
Hounds
Artillery
Tank (yes our first hard plastic vehicle!)
MiniWargaming will be previewing all the sets and setting the stage over the next few weeks as we prepare to launch. We'll have more painted models, videos, and lots to see and talk about as the campaign progresses!
If successful, this campaign will allow us to do something we've never done before: release an entire ARMY in one shot! And once we've fulfilled all the backer pledges all 8 sets will be available as part of our regular catalog and at retailers worldwide.
Retailers: we will have full retail level pledges in the campaign as well.
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Ahhh, now that's an anouncement worth reading, i clearly got dissapointed too early yesterday timezone issues,
1. Basic dudes. I can print a specialist unit myself, but I'm not gonna spend weeks of my life printing a hundred mooks.
2. Just please don't make pretend goals like unlocking single bitz that were always going to be on the sprue anyway, it's not like you'll leave a blank space in the tool.
Oh a stretch goal could be tank riders or like vehicle crew. I mean some guys to stick on your tank would look cool, but I think it's fine as a stretch goal as it is more of an accessory
Wargames Atlantic wrote: 1. What kit of those announced for the Army of the Damned are you most excited for?
2. What do you want to see as stretch goals?
I'm most excited by the tank. There aren't many plastic sci-fi vehicles out there in 28mm scale and most of them have serious flaws in my opinion. Only GW's rhino family really look good to me. I'm keen to see if WA can produce something that looks like a functional vehicle and curious about how you will manage to do it (I guess clever use of duplicated parts to reduce sprue-count).
In terms of stretch goals, my top priority would be expanding the tank as far as possible, with alternative weapon configurations, stowage, crew, and maybe even an interior detail kit like some scale models have. I suppose a lot of that could be printable rather than injection-moulded.
Other kits, I guess mostly alternative weapons and assorted accessories (pouches, canteens, knives, backpacks, capes, grenades, etc.). It's hard to be specific because I don't know what the baseline loadout is going to be, but using a bit of guesswork:
Baseline infantry: I see automatic rifles, LMG, pistol, machete, sniper rifle, flamethrower, and shotgun in the preview. I'd also like to see (in order of priority) grenade launcher, radio, laser guns, fancy sci-fi close combat weapon (chainsaw-blade, energy-axe, etc.), SMG or machine-pistol. I don't care personally, but I bet heads with grotesque masks would be popular.
Command squad: guessing they will have a bunch of special weapons like plasma guns, pistols, etc. and a banner (or similar). Would like at least one head for a 'psychic' type character with a swollen cranium or something. Wouldn't hurt to have some gesturing hands and maybe a staff too. Medic bits. If not included in the heavy support team kit, maybe a missile launcher.
Brutes: I see machine-gun (or possibly autocannon), flamethrower, shield, club, and two-handed sword, which is already a pretty good selection. It looks like they will be compatible with the sci-fi arms from the landsknecht ogres, so I've got a bunch of rifles and shotguns even if they don't come with them. As stretch goals, I'd like some alternate heads with smaller pipes, because I'm not a fan of the gas-masks with tubes as thick as a human leg in the previews. Full-face helmets would be good too. Other than that, I guess pistols, more close combat weapons, and maybe an automatic grenade launcher.
Outriders: Alternative horse heads (think the gasmask is a little too bulky, would rather some kind of cybernetic thing where everything is closer to normal horse proportions), alternative tails (bald, since I plan to paint them in flesh-tones). An option for guns (or swords, clubs, etc.) instead of lances would be nice, but I can always steal from other kits.
Heavy Support Team: Only weapon shown is a HMG / Autocannon / Automatic Grenade Launcher (can't quite tell). I expect at least a laser cannon too. I suppose a different HMG / AC / AGL would fit well, as would a small howitzer. Tripod doesn't seem well suited to a missile launcher or mortar, but I would like at least one of those as a stretch goal. A GPMG and / or rapid-fire beam weapon would round it out.
Hounds: Hard to predict what options they will come with, if anything. Handlers, or bits to turn a standard infantry figure into a handler (e.g. arm holding leash) would be a nice stretch goal. Other than that, I guess bionic bits, alternative body parts for variety, maybe a little harness with panniers to make a messenger, casualty rescue, or bomb dog?
Artillery: I guess they will come with either a howitzer or cannon, so whichever isn't standard could be a stretch goal. Maybe some kind of alternative build where the big gun is replaced by a bunch of little ones like the heavy support team has (e.g. four laser cannons) or a big energy gun. Another option would be parts to convert the tank to an SPG mounting an artillery gun.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: 1. What kit of those announced for the Army of the Damned are you most excited for?
2. What do you want to see as stretch goals?
1. Im very excited for the riders and the Brutes! I really need both of those to complete my crusade lol lmao even
2. Female infantry, please. I really want gender equality among my army of traitors, to send all three genders to the meat grinder! Also, lots of mutation. I really dont play traitor guard just to have normal giard with spikes, but to give them some chaos fun in the form of heretic mutations! And psykers too.
Given all the kits I have from wargames atlantic have at least 2 times the number of heads compared to the number of bodies/miniatures per box, I doubt there will be a lack of heads for customization. Einherjar have something like 104 heads per box of 24, Grognards have 192 per box of 24 and all the other death field kits have an extremely high number of spare heads, with Raumjagers being on the lower end with something like 9-10 heads per sprue of 4 bodies.
2. Definitely what folks have said above: grotesque masked heads, mutants/mutations, grenadiers, psykers, tank riders, trench raider/melee options. Maybe a quad walker
Most excited for tanks, but also hounds and cavalry
i want to see as wide a range of tank main gun options as possible, so stretch goal options there if your not planning that already
alternate arms with hands holding binoculars, radios, cases, bottles, tech widgets etc, and with open/pointing hands etc. Hopefully it will be compatible with all the human sized units, but even if it only fits the infanty it would be good
alternate horse heads, they're a good representation of a horse gasmask, but i don't like the very 'long nose' look and would prefer a much shorter one with a canister on each side ... although conversion will be possible if i have to
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maybe some multi tube rocket artillery(eg nebelwerfer or US M16 towed rocket launcher) to add to the more usual field gun/howitzer style
Well, as Ive already stated, it would be cool to have women heads and mutation parts.
Also, I'm happy to see many weapon options, and that one of those is an "autofedgun", now i can really expand my infantry lol.
Curiously enough, my favorite face is the hooded guy whitout a headmask. That's a very cool detail.
Already hyped to see how it will combine with the other sets (I guess this confirms the hounds won't go alone and will have human masters and not ogryns, and also that the tanks will have commandeer options)
Also, plis, if WA is reading this, could you post the image of the separate parts on bigger resolution?
Would love the hounds to be somewhat customizable if possible, mutations, enos features, cybernetics would be awesome to see. Maybe as stls if we can't get them as physical bits
That parts image is just missing a selection of "plain" heads (helmets without spikes, masks without stitches, and faces without mutilations) from having the potential of being one of the best, if not the best, generic sci-fi kits on the market.
KipCujo wrote: That parts image is just missing a selection of "plain" heads (helmets without spikes, masks without stitches, and faces without mutilations) from having the potential of being one of the best, if not the best, generic sci-fi kits on the market.
Seems like a perfect combination with the upcoming Stargrave Scavengers.
The obvious must-have heads (enough of each style for whole unit)
- makeshift rebreather as already shown
- balaklava / panty thief as already shown
- scarred bare heads as already shown
- basic not-Cadian helmets
- oni masks or whatever the Blood Pact had going on
And if they are canines, they might well be some sort of genetically engineered murder hounds.. larger, stronger, and tougher than normal dogs. or perhaps some sort of cybernetic dogs.
I find it funny the heavy weapon shield is trying to be scavenged/makeshift yet is clearly purposely manufactured at the same time. "Put a couple of random spikes on there Karl, but not too many!"
Still, jealous of chaos players finally getting an affordable and awesome traitor guard range!
Oh dang and they're going to do a TANK? I *really* hope they make it generic so any faction can use it, then you stick on the spikes, flayed skins and skulls of your enemies afterwards if you're so inclined. Heck surely you could even get a dual purpose APC/tank into one kit, only needing some optional infantry doors and a low turret for the former and a larger turret for the latter.
I'm not the market for this, but at a certain (expensive point) maybe a set of heavy damned heavy armor guys should be made, in order to approximate kasrkin.
Who knows that GW will do to traitor guard rules once they see kits like this rolling out from another company - they could ignore it, swat down the idea of traitor guard, or go all in on the concept-
but no matter what happens there, they aren't gonna kill off Cadians (clearly!)
I have a good mix of leftover bits from cannon fodder & les Grognards to supplement whatever the give in the kits.
But I would like them to continue the wide variety of cranial options they've been doing, just for the new people.(but also selfishly so I have more options to kitbash in future)
Given that the latest news in the Wargames Atlantic website mentions that the basic kit will be interchangeable with the other kits except the brutes, my guess would be that the hounds are more along the lines of some sort of commandos rather than hounds, but I hope I am wrong and there is some sort of canine miniatures available.
KipCujo wrote: That parts image is just missing a selection of "plain" heads (helmets without spikes, masks without stitches, and faces without mutilations) from having the potential of being one of the best, if not the best, generic sci-fi kits on the market.
Seems like a perfect combination with the upcoming Stargrave Scavengers.
I saw the Scavengers after this - also looks like a really promising kit!
Gallahad wrote:I'd be another vote for regular helmets without an explicit evil look. I won't buy in currently, but I could be tempted by a regular helmet style.
Unfortunately, same here - I could get mileage out of this for sure if I can field it outside of the "Chaos" setting, but very limited if not. I know we're the very small minority of consumers, but here's hoping!
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Star Grave Troopers might also scratch that itch.
To say nothing of WGA OoRah (sp?) and Space Nam.
I think these guys are already too spikey and ragged to play double duty as normal sci fi troopers.
It course may depend on seeing the final models when they are in plastic in case they sprout more spikes and details that make them unsalvageable, but as they are I think a just snipping off the shoulder spike creates a rugged/backwater militia that could fit tons of settings.
I don't want to speak for the others that share this opinion, but much of the appeal for me is combined arms - SG Troopers and other generic sci-fi kits don't have matching tanks/cavalry/heavy weapons, and this gives us that option as long as there is a selection of clean heads to clean them up a bit.
mithril2098 wrote: their preview image seems to show no normal heads, but quite a few gasmask heads that could work for a less chaos style.
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and their deathfields upgrade sprue should be compatible
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giving some more weapons styles and a WW1 german style helmet.
and their cannon fodder set has a ton of heads to pick from.
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and there are various sellers who sell just the head and body sprues for those.
Points taken, but I think that would result in a dissatisfying art mismatch - they might be the right scale, but based on the renders I don't think any of those heads would look really good on these bodies. The gas masks are looking great but I think the Frankenstein stitching (as an exaggerated detail, which is I'm sure inevitable in the medium) still makes it look too villainous in my opinion. If those were raised details that could be scraped off instead of sunken details, we'd be cooking (I know sunken details can be filled, but scraping is soooo much easier lol).
Another random idea, inspired by Blackfang's mention of Oni masks - a really cool bit would be a ballistic mask that can glue on top of open faces. I think that's a really underrated bit on some other kits, would let us borings hide the scarred/mutiliated faces, and ballistic masks are actually spooky enough that they wouldn't look out of place in a Chaos army especially with a few haphazard streaks of red paint etc. etc.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: A mutation sprue would be great. Either fantastic mutations like tentacles and bug eyes, or realistic tumors and growths
This would be my suggestion as well for a stretch goal. I stated before that I wasn't looking to build a new army, but a mutation sprue is the sort of thing that would make a kit of soldiers even more appealing.
Just as a general suggestion, perhaps there should be at least one or two head options where enough are included for all the troops to give them a uniform appearance. Random heads is great for certain purposes, but to have an option to have them looking a bit ragged but still uniform and organized would increase the number of uses for the infantry. The basic gas mask face with helmet might be a good option for this.
I don't know, this was so close to being good kit yet fell short. Why there is no balaclava + helmet combination? It was used in conflicts in last 20 years by virtually every army, yet here you can pick either helmet or balaclava, with neither giving you 'professional' look, more like 'civillian rabble raiding surplus arms store' one (and to make matters worse, only one balaclava is whole, rest is ripped, making it look even more rabble-y). This is really dumb seeing they combined helmets with some of the gas masks (on a side note, maybe someone should tell the mini designer gas masks are supposed to be snug and last time they were shapeless bags was in WW1) so why not balaclavas?
Then there is the other heads. Besides the 'stern look' pair, every single one is identical clone of 'screaming Bubba' look, same-same down to very last scar and missing tooth. In helmets, under balaclavas, bare, every single one of these is lazy copy paste. Why the hell they didn't use the 'stern' head with some of the helmets and balaclavas to vary it a bit?
And then you have guns. While most look nice, melta/flamer/plasma all have pipe/wire going from ammo supply to middle of the barrel. What? Maybe someone should tell the mini designer the stuff that gun fires should be put into whatever action mechanism the weapon has, which is in the back of it. At worst, middle. Not very front I also like melta gun design, but that front grip should go over the barrel, not blatantly clip into it choking the bottom half of it. Also, that heavy stubber? Looking at ammo belt placement, it spits stream of red hot brass straight into the groin of the user. Is he Slaaneshi, or of 'Kill Maim Burn' faction?
These are just side details but virtually every single gun here has issues that could be easily removed if the sculptor thought for 5 seconds how the gun is supposed to work and if the ergonomics makes any sense (see the flamer, with ludicrously big and dumb gas tank bigger than even heroic scale GW flamers, that would be ramming the user knees and groin with every step - not to mention barrel heat sleeve completely wrong for this type of weapon). There are a lot more issues than that but these are the most glaring and really impossible to hand-wave away without resorting to 'a wizard did it'.
I also spy sergeant type armed with drum fed autogun. Wherever they got that particular idea? Though it's nice WGA finally started to pay attention what options the kit should have to appeal to certain big demographic instead of having the assortment of random junk that doesn't match any of the needed options and needs to be extensively converted to be usable...
GreenScorpion wrote: Given that the latest news in the Wargames Atlantic website mentions that the basic kit will be interchangeable with the other kits except the brutes, my guess would be that the hounds are more along the lines of some sort of commandos rather than hounds, but I hope I am wrong and there is some sort of canine miniatures available.
It probably means these are going to be actual hounds controlled by human masters with whips, like the Imperialis Militia unit (this used to be done by ogryns on the old R&H codex tho)
GreenScorpion wrote: Given that the latest news in the Wargames Atlantic website mentions that the basic kit will be interchangeable with the other kits except the brutes, my guess would be that the hounds are more along the lines of some sort of commandos rather than hounds, but I hope I am wrong and there is some sort of canine miniatures available.
It probably means these are going to be actual hounds controlled by human masters with whips, like the Imperialis Militia unit (this used to be done by ogryns on the old R&H codex tho)
That might be the case and it is something that I have considered, but until we have some confirmation or preview there is no way to know for sure and that was mostly what I wanted to highlight.
If we think that the idea here would be to represent a mix of traitor guard with the old Forgeworld renegade militia than some sort of large hounds with handlers would be required.
Irbis wrote: I don't know, this was so close to being good kit yet fell short. Why there is no balaclava + helmet combination? It was used in conflicts in last 20 years by virtually every army, yet here you can pick either helmet or balaclava, with neither giving you 'professional' look, more like 'civillian rabble raiding surplus arms store' one (and to make matters worse, only one balaclava is whole, rest is ripped, making it look even more rabble-y). This is really dumb seeing they combined helmets with some of the gas masks (on a side note, maybe someone should tell the mini designer gas masks are supposed to be snug and last time they were shapeless bags was in WW1) so why not balaclavas?
Then there is the other heads. Besides the 'stern look' pair, every single one is identical clone of 'screaming Bubba' look, same-same down to very last scar and missing tooth. In helmets, under balaclavas, bare, every single one of these is lazy copy paste. Why the hell they didn't use the 'stern' head with some of the helmets and balaclavas to vary it a bit?
And then you have guns. While most look nice, melta/flamer/plasma all have pipe/wire going from ammo supply to middle of the barrel. What? Maybe someone should tell the mini designer the stuff that gun fires should be put into whatever action mechanism the weapon has, which is in the back of it. At worst, middle. Not very front I also like melta gun design, but that front grip should go over the barrel, not blatantly clip into it choking the bottom half of it. Also, that heavy stubber? Looking at ammo belt placement, it spits stream of red hot brass straight into the groin of the user. Is he Slaaneshi, or of 'Kill Maim Burn' faction?
These are just side details but virtually every single gun here has issues that could be easily removed if the sculptor thought for 5 seconds how the gun is supposed to work and if the ergonomics makes any sense (see the flamer, with ludicrously big and dumb gas tank bigger than even heroic scale GW flamers, that would be ramming the user knees and groin with every step - not to mention barrel heat sleeve completely wrong for this type of weapon). There are a lot more issues than that but these are the most glaring and really impossible to hand-wave away without resorting to 'a wizard did it'.
I also spy sergeant type armed with drum fed autogun. Wherever they got that particular idea? Though it's nice WGA finally started to pay attention what options the kit should have to appeal to certain big demographic instead of having the assortment of random junk that doesn't match any of the needed options and needs to be extensively converted to be usable...
I mean WGA hasn't finished these kits yet. Maybe cut out your wishes from you post (for clarity) and post them on their FB post asking for wishlist items?
Cult of Paint continue to work on the infantry for The Damned! Here are another two to add to the horde. Crowdfunding campaign for 8 (maybe more?) plastic sets launches on Game Found on May 26th! We hope to have a landing page for you to keep track sometime next week if all goes well.
And yes to those who have been asking: there will definitely be some other head options for these fine fellows on the frame
Cult of Paint continue to work on the infantry for The Damned! Here are another two to add to the horde. Crowdfunding campaign for 8 (maybe more?) plastic sets launches on Game Found on May 26th! We hope to have a landing page for you to keep track sometime next week if all goes well.
And yes to those who have been asking: there will definitely be some other head options for these fine fellows on the frame
I must note here that WA talks here about how theyre open to the possibility of doing more kits, I'd bet probably if the campaign does well. So any wishlisted kit we have in mind could REALLY be an actual chance to get it.
We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Generic helmeted no spikes/evil faces and the same but slightly feudal world looking helmets would make them versatile as both scrap world troops and feudal levy troops.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
The Cannon Fodder civilian/ mechanic parts are a good example.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
The Cannon Fodder civilian/ mechanic parts are a good example.
Another random idea, inspired by Blackfang's mention of Oni masks - a really cool bit would be a ballistic mask that can glue on top of open faces. I think that's a really underrated bit on some other kits, would let us borings hide the scarred/mutiliated faces, and ballistic masks are actually spooky enough that they wouldn't look out of place in a Chaos army especially with a few haphazard streaks of red paint etc. etc.
I'd recommend full heads over masks that add to existing heads. The additional plastic and sprue space is minimal and the work saved is very important.
Automatically Appended Next Post: One thing missing from the list is heavy infantry, with thicker armor and better guns.
If Hounds are not literal hounds maybe they fill this niche?
But like I said no one else got a cool name, but a literal and descriptive one so I doubt it.
Yea another vote for Grenadiers/Kasrkin/Tempestus equivalents, but honestly that might be the Command kit, it's not like it's gonna be a box of 24 lieutenants.
What if hounds were a plastic warhound equivalent . I'd settle for a warhound/sentinel type model (Looks like a warhound, but is a sentinel size/stat wise).
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
For those of us without the space, funds, ability, etc. for a 3d printer I hope not (at least not all of them)
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
For those of us without the space, funds, ability, etc. for a 3d printer I hope not (at least not all of them)
I don't think that any possible 3d printed option will detract from whatever's on the sprues. At a certain point nothing else will fit on them, after all.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
For those of us without the space, funds, ability, etc. for a 3d printer I hope not (at least not all of them)
There are places you can order the parts printed for you. To hope they don't have options and limit the range because you can't or don't want to print them is a bit selfish. If it's parts available to print and you can save up for pieces to customize your army it's better than not having that option available or having to pay someone to sculpt and make you the parts individually.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
For those of us without the space, funds, ability, etc. for a 3d printer I hope not (at least not all of them)
There are places you can order the parts printed for you. To hope they don't have options and limit the range because you can't or don't want to print them is a bit selfish. If it's parts available to print and you can save up for pieces to customize your army it's better than not having that option available or having to pay someone to sculpt and make you the parts individually.
To clarify, I'm reading Albertorius's post them wanting everything after the base sprue to go to digital only.
I would rather they put as much as possible on the sprue. I won't likely back the campaign if it's minimal plastic bits with the large majority being STLs.
Let me hope there are lots of options for those of us without 3d printers. There is already WGA digital and I'm sure you will be catered to as well.
Sprue is sprue, they have a set machine size and you can be sure they will fill it, it's not like they will tool a sprue with empty spaces in it if they miss funding by X dollars. I only hope they won't present fake nonsensical stretch goals of "unlocking" extra bits on a sprue like so many do.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
No Facebook, but I'll just restate, that a standard military head option that doesn't look "evil" would be a great idea.
legionaires wrote: To clarify, I'm reading Albertorius's post them wanting everything after the base sprue to go to digital only.
I would rather they put as much as possible on the sprue. I won't likely back the campaign if it's minimal plastic bits with the large majority being STLs.
Let me hope there are lots of options for those of us without 3d printers. There is already WGA digital and I'm sure you will be catered to as well.
Then you're reading it wrong. I don't need stuff to be "digital only". Just "digital", or "digital too". If any option done as 3d print is popular enough to be made sprues... why the hell not?
And if a specific gun (or whatever) that's only one a sprue gets in a digital set and I can print myself a hundred instead of needing a hundred extra sprues just for that? That's also good.
The sprues will fit what they will, and they won't be leaving bare spaces or anything. Not wanting to get more stuff that, if popular enough, will maybe get more sprues made, feels weird to me.
legionaires wrote: To clarify, I'm reading Albertorius's post them wanting everything after the base sprue to go to digital only.
I would rather they put as much as possible on the sprue. I won't likely back the campaign if it's minimal plastic bits with the large majority being STLs.
Let me hope there are lots of options for those of us without 3d printers. There is already WGA digital and I'm sure you will be catered to as well.
Then you're reading it wrong. I don't need stuff to be "digital only". Just "digital", or "digital too". If any option done as 3d print is popular enough to be made sprues... why the hell not?
And if a specific gun (or whatever) that's only one a sprue gets in a digital set and I can print myself a hundred instead of needing a hundred extra sprues just for that? That's also good.
The sprues will fit what they will, and they won't be leaving bare spaces or anything. Not wanting to get more stuff that, if popular enough, will maybe get more sprues made, feels weird to me.
[Glad the quote caught you clarifications, as it wasn't there when I hit respond]
It's been my experience, that if something is digital, then it never hits physical, that is what I don't want to see. If there is one "Assault cannon" on the sprue and the rest digital, I can live with that.
I don't want something, say "plasma guns" to only have digital options. Its just I have never had good experiences with 3d prints and don't want options to be digital only. Just give me at least one in plastic.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
Not at this time. The game-found crowdfunder will be specifically for hard plastics.
Brute weapons look good. Love the bunch of grenades lashed to a stick.
Heads are underwhelming. Bit too 'comedy' for the theme, in my opinion. Could have done with sharper and more scarred features, forge-world ogryn style hoods, or fully enclosed helmets, I think. At least the pipes look a bit less oversized now that I realise they aren't quite as big as the initial preview made them look. They will be rather dwarfed by GW ogryns, I think.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
For those of us without the space, funds, ability, etc. for a 3d printer I hope not (at least not all of them)
While the crowdfunding campaign is specifically geared towards hard plastics, We'd like to note that you can take our files to a 3d printing service local to you, ask them for a custom print quote, and get our digital items printed that way, if you do not wish to wait for them to go up on only-games.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
For those of us without the space, funds, ability, etc. for a 3d printer I hope not (at least not all of them)
There are places you can order the parts printed for you. To hope they don't have options and limit the range because you can't or don't want to print them is a bit selfish. If it's parts available to print and you can save up for pieces to customize your army it's better than not having that option available or having to pay someone to sculpt and make you the parts individually.
To clarify, I'm reading Albertorius's post them wanting everything after the base sprue to go to digital only.
I would rather they put as much as possible on the sprue. I won't likely back the campaign if it's minimal plastic bits with the large majority being STLs.
Let me hope there are lots of options for those of us without 3d printers. There is already WGA digital and I'm sure you will be catered to as well.
To re-clarify, the crowdfunding campaign will be hard plastic options, with no digital content planned at this time. At least, as far as the responding team member is aware. HQ can obviously change that, but they have not said so.
As such, again, the crowd funder is for hard plastic sprues/frames/boxed sets.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We've posted on the Wargames Atlantic Legion facebook group asking for suggestions for additional heads to be included with the standard infantry for "The Damned".
If you have a head type you would like to see, please head on over to the legion facebook group and share your ideas.
Are you planning for extra options to be added using Tribes content? because being a Tribes member since day 1, I'd be all for that too ^^, maybe even with some extra body poses, logistics stuff and the like.
For those of us without the space, funds, ability, etc. for a 3d printer I hope not (at least not all of them)
There are places you can order the parts printed for you. To hope they don't have options and limit the range because you can't or don't want to print them is a bit selfish. If it's parts available to print and you can save up for pieces to customize your army it's better than not having that option available or having to pay someone to sculpt and make you the parts individually.
To clarify, I'm reading Albertorius's post them wanting everything after the base sprue to go to digital only.
I would rather they put as much as possible on the sprue. I won't likely back the campaign if it's minimal plastic bits with the large majority being STLs.
Let me hope there are lots of options for those of us without 3d printers. There is already WGA digital and I'm sure you will be catered to as well.
Garrac wrote:Question here: will the crowdfunding contemplate shipping to the EU?
lord_blackfang wrote:
Garrac wrote: Question here: will the crowdfunding contemplate shipping to the EU?
WGA has been shipping IOSS for a while now
What lord_Blackfang stated. We ship from our warehouse in the UK to EU customers with IOSS.
And while i like the chaotic assortment of extra bits and bobs, maybe some more standard looking brute size pouches similar to the ammo pouches of the normal infantry.
legionaires wrote: I've seen folks also suggesting heavy caliber revolvers for Brutes.
'Thunderstub' pistols are an option for ogryn brutes in the new Imperialis Militia list from Games Workshop for their Horus Heresy game, so I can see the appeal and the 'pistol and melee weapon' is a fairly iconic pairing in sci-fi wargames now, so that makes sense.
I'd also like to see another left-handed melee weapon (besides the knife), possibly something a bit more high-tech than a club or blade (power weapons are an option for those ogryn brutes).
As an aside, the 'patchwork' blade on the two-handed sword looks really bad. I'd much rather see a plain length of metal. You simply can't bodge bits together like that and expect them to hold together under stress. I doubt that feedback at this point is going to make a difference, because WA don't really seem to send final sculpts back to the designer to re-do, and no big deal (one weapon out of a wide selection, which is easily re-built with a bit of plasticard isn't going to stop me buying them) but a little niggle.
not a fan of the mortar, far too chonky and the loading mechanism is stupid.
What is wrong with a normal mortar, we are talking about scavengers and you are telling me they can't get non-broken gunshields but a complex autoloading mechanism?
Overall, the lascannon (or is that a plasma cannon) also looks iffy. The Heavy bolter and autocannon look great though.
personally though i'd prefer a Heavy machinegun team.
My main quibble is that the gun shields are bolted together quite neatly? Like, I understand going for a cobbled-together look, but as it is the gun shields look like they were porcelain plates dropped on the floor, neatly shattered along a single perfect line, and then taped back together. I think these would be much more successful if they were either 1) truly cobbled together from mismatched pieces of metal or 2) just ravaged up with more bullet scorches and pockmarks (this would be my preference as someone hoping to de-Chaosify as much as I can!)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The mortar design is one used by the Grognards so fits with the background of the damned only wanting to use battlefield salvage
And to be blunt it already looked bad there aswell. which is a shame because the grognards and the the damned look really good but the mortars... sorry those ain't it.
So what's with gamefound? Find out in the HQ blog post, linked above.
To quote Hudson on Facebook:
We're genuinely excited and having a lot of fun putting this Damned crowdfunding project together and it's led to us coming up with a lot of ideas for additional sets to go with the core 8 sets.
The way it's set up now we have an initial funding goal that will unlock the first four sets (Infantry, Brutes, Command, Heavy Support Teams) and then stretch goals that will unlock the remaining four (Outriders, Hounds, Artillery, and the Vehicle). Not to mention a bunch of hard plastic bases in a variety of sizes!
Ideas for additional add-ons at higher funding levels/stretch goals are a female infantry set, heavy infantry (think trench raiders), power armor, a mutations sprue, half-man scouts, gene-edited human/animal amalgamations, and a terrain sprue among others.
Don't worry we're not giving away the farm they would be spaced out adequately to cover the costs of additional design, tooling, and production!
Do any of those sound interesting? Are there other types of sets you'd like to see as part of this?
We'll be thrilled if the core four sets fund but we realized if we attract a lot of interest we should be prepared with fun add-ons! Let us know what you think!
also
Oh yes we’ll be EU friendly shipping from within the EU for this as most of you will probably be going over the €150 IOSS limit!
Answer his questions in the following comments and I will get those passed along asap.
Not Online!!! wrote:What about Efta countries in regards to shipping?
Frankly, we're not sure. HQ will look into it more. We would assume since we will be shipping from within the EU it will be relatively straightforward. As stated, HQ will do some research.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Bases, are generic textured bases like cracked earth, deck plates, or cobblestones possible?
We are starting with minimally textured rocky ground bases in 25mm, 50mm, 25x50, etc. If it goes well there are plans to add deck plating and other more specific textured hard plastic bases.
Big vote from me for the minimal dirt/rock textures. Would be awesome to shortcut a plain generic base for when I don't feel like making a mess with sand or texture paste but could still seamlessly blend with the majority of our collections.
I think all the listed ideas for add-on sprues sound compelling, with maybe the exception of the terrain sprue - with so many plentiful generic terrain offerings and FDM printing being so affordable these days to buy into, I'm of the opinion that a second vehicle (light scout or bikes, etc) would be far more tempting than terrain.
.....an initial funding goal that will unlock the first four sets (Infantry, Brutes, Command, Heavy Support Teams) and then stretch goals that will unlock the remaining four (Outriders, Hounds, Artillery, and the Vehicle)
the first four sets seem to be sensible, the main bulk of an army and what people will want most of
however i'd hope the tank might be either first or second of the stretch goals (i could see outriders being a more sensible first choice although i'd prefer the tank)
although i guess depending on the total number of sprues the tank might need some funding 'buried' in earlier stretch goals in order not to give too large a jump in the target amount
Also, btw, I've read on WGA facebook page that they are going to add options for the units to be bought separately, and that delivery dates will be given with the crowdfunding (alltho, an asap is very likely)
.....an initial funding goal that will unlock the first four sets (Infantry, Brutes, Command, Heavy Support Teams) and then stretch goals that will unlock the remaining four (Outriders, Hounds, Artillery, and the Vehicle)
the first four sets seem to be sensible, the main bulk of an army and what people will want most of
however i'd hope the tank might be either first or second of the stretch goals (i could see outriders being a more sensible first choice although i'd prefer the tank)
although i guess depending on the total number of sprues the tank might need some funding 'buried' in earlier stretch goals in order not to give too large a jump in the target amount
Sprue layout may certainly be the limiting/deciding factor, but I'd love to see a relatively basic chassis as an early goal, and then later goals could give us additional "accessory" sprues with more fancy turret weapons to swap out and turn the vehicle into mobile artillery, mobile anti-air, etc. I feel like that could support the crowdfunding format to achieve the most basic vehicle early, but still give us the chance to get a comprehensive, customizable kit if the campaign does well.
Would love to see the same thing with a small jet aircraft model too - I know there's lots of historical kits out there that are very cheap for converting, but I'd love to have another option for a chunky-proportioned sci-fi aircraft from a solid manufacturer like WGA. Would be super fun to see a standard airframe as the "basic" kit, but with accessory sprues to give us unique wings/loadouts to assemble it as a scout/fighter/fighter-bomber/bomber.
My unbuilt Necron side of the Imperium collection is being sacrificed ion the alter of the 2nd hand market to ensure I can jump all in on this.
I've been sidebuilding and converting Sons of Sek and Blood Pact from multiple sources to have a Renegade force over the last couple of years. My Archon Wolverines could do with some extra armoured support as well.
Give me the trench raider and power armour ideas first! Half breed scouts also sound very interesting.
Having said the above, I'm half hopeful that this vehicle may be a lighter tank idea like the Steg 4 from Gaunts Ghosts except with tracks.
EDIT: I'm going to have to concur with comments on the weapon teams above - I don't like the cobbled together aspect of these tripods and shields. We can paint on and model battle damage ourselves, perhaps go for more symmetrical rivet / panel lines instead? I don't think the originals had that many rivets etc so perhaps that would be a subtle but effective difference?
Ragsta wrote: Give me the trench raider and power armour ideas first! Half breed scouts also sound very interesting.
Having said the above, I'm half hopeful that this vehicle may be a lighter tank idea like the Steg 4 from Gaunts Ghosts except with tracks.
EDIT: I'm going to have to concur with comments on the weapon teams above - I don't like the cobbled together aspect of these tripods and shields. We can paint on and model battle damage ourselves, perhaps go for more symmetrical rivet / panel lines instead? I don't think the originals had that many rivets etc so perhaps that would be a subtle but effective difference?
Good point on the weapon shields. Ramshackle and jerry-rigged is cool but with plastic it means every single weapon team will be identically ramshackle and jerry-rigged. Which is the opposite of chaos and much more jarring than an identical orderly force.
And OMG trench raiders. I would love some Diesel Punk sci fi trench raiders! Adding them to my wishlist.
Mad Robot's new line of trenchcoat and mask dudes are close...
We are starting with minimally textured rocky ground bases in 25mm, 50mm, 25x50, etc. If it goes well there are plans to add deck plating and other more specific textured hard plastic bases.
This is a fantastic idea. I've been basing my figs on Champ Industries HIPS plastic urban and industrial bases for a long time and having another option will be great.
EDIT: I'm going to have to concur with comments on the weapon teams above - I don't like the cobbled together aspect of these tripods and shields. We can paint on and model battle damage ourselves, perhaps go for more symmetrical rivet / panel lines instead? I don't think the originals had that many rivets etc so perhaps that would be a subtle but effective difference?
Good point on the weapon shields. Ramshackle and jerry-rigged is cool but with plastic it means every single weapon team will be identically ramshackle and jerry-rigged. Which is the opposite of chaos and much more jarring than an identical orderly force.
I agree that the chopped up weapon shields are a bit odd and in an army like this will look repetitive. Why not instead give us fairly clean shields with a selection of armor patches and plates we can use to cobble them up if we want too.
Alltho, this kit acording to WA is part of the objetives to unlock. We're still left the riders article on the basic crowdfunding sets (alltho, crowdfunding starts next friday, so we should have one article by unit every 2 in-week days)
legionaires wrote: Im hoping that we can build psykers and fanatic priests out of this.
[Edit] we just got confirmation that the Vehicle will fulfill multiple roles.
I can certainly pass that along.
What alternate heads and arms would you like to see in the command frame. As stated, we are also looking at including a brute leader on the sprue.
Psyker, probably the old one that holds his heads and is probably suffering the migraine of his livetime.
One holds a book or relic of some kind, an outstretched hand of energy, a couple of different screaming heads, maybe parts for an Exocutioner. Burning torches or brands.
While I agree with you, WGA has been really quiet about them but I believe they said that all the kits would work together except for the Brutes. That's what makes me curious.
While I agree with you, WGA has been really quiet about them but I believe they said that all the kits would work together except for the Brutes. That's what makes me curious.
Hopefully they simply forgot to mention Hounds there because they are not humanoid.
Slightly disappointed that they're significantly more expensive than the other Death Fields kits. I'd have expected them to be slightly cheaper through the crowdfunder if anything.
Knowing that international shipping limit is on 150 euros I'm going to have to be careful with the buys, as I want some of the packs on the first half, but I'm most interested on the second half (I need horsies). Also, is it me, or have Outriders changed at last hour from the first half of units to the objectives?
Edit: Seeing the add-on, what does the multipliers (e.j. here a x4) stand for?
Garrac wrote: Knowing that international shipping limit is on 150 euros I'm going to have to be careful with the buys, as I want some of the packs on the first half, but I'm most interested on the second half (I need horsies). Also, is it me, or have Outriders changed at last hour from the first half of units to the objectives?
I remember them listed in the set of 8 but then they broke it up into 4 and 4. I still don't know why they teased the cav with the first batch then.
Garrac wrote: Knowing that international shipping limit is on 150 euros I'm going to have to be careful with the buys, as I want some of the packs on the first half, but I'm most interested on the second half (I need horsies). Also, is it me, or have Outriders changed at last hour from the first half of units to the objectives?
Edit: Seeing the add-on, what does the mutipliers (e.j. here a x4) stand for?
Spoiler:
24 infantry minis in a set , 6 on a sprue so 4 sprues = 24 minis
The page is still being updated Dave may have been a bit quick to upload the video.
Garrac wrote: Knowing that international shipping limit is on 150 euros I'm going to have to be careful with the buys, as I want some of the packs on the first half, but I'm most interested on the second half (I need horsies). Also, is it me, or have Outriders changed at last hour from the first half of units to the objectives?
Edit: Seeing the add-on, what does the mutipliers (e.j. here a x4) stand for?
Spoiler:
24 infantry minis in a set , 6 on a sprue so 4 sprues = 24 minis
The page is still being updated Dave may have been a bit quick to upload the video.
Aaaaah thanks, now I get it!
Oh man, and the stretch goals are badonkers. Can't wait!
Edit: I see from facebook there won't be IOSS limit! Oh man, now my poor wallet is going to fuckin hate me...
While some of the crowdfunding campaigns have ridiculous levels of discounts that aren't sustainable, the prices in this campaign don't seem to be any better than the multi box deals that usually have on their website (even if you consider the free sprues unlocked by the stretch goals).
Unless the stretch goals are numerous and achieved quickly I don't think it should be better than getting them once these hit retail in X years from now. At least then you will know exactly what is contained in each box and be able to determine whether or not you like the options.
Other then getting them early and potentially influence some of the design decisions I don't see what are the main motivators that they are using to attract customers.
I am also a little disappointed in the listed prices... The 10 box deal for Death fields sets is $265... As this is crowd funding I was expecting a better price on that... The 10 box "deal" on the crowd funding is $310... So a $45 Price to make up for any stretch goal freebies I guess...
At least the 3 box deal is only $4 more expensive through the crowd funding...
I hope they give an option for broke folks like me. If I can afford even 2 boxes, it would be doing good. I really will only be getting a few as so many bills right now.
Yeah unfortunately I'm with the above commenters, I have been spoiled by Archon Studios basically chucking free plastic at me, but even ignoring that: steathily increasing the MSRP per box, and only offering a modest discount doesn't sell me on a pre-order. We can all get 20-25% off from our favorite third party retailers with free shipping once these hit retail. A couple free sample sprues isn't really enough of an incentive to make me part with my money far in advance.
I mean part of the incentive is getting all the kits at once rather than waiting successive production cycles to get infantry, then heavy weapons, then command, etc.
Still I wouldn't mind a bit better deal on the bundles.
Assuming this mirrors other campaigns, I'd guess we'll see some sweeteners as it goes on. I'm very excited about this, but projecting how excited I'll be about not-guard in 11 months (at best) is tricky. If I'm saving 10% to lock up a few hundred bucks for a year... that's probably a pass, unfortunately.
but we'll see. Make the pot a little sweeter, and I'm very much back in.
I'd love a bigger discount (fingers crossed), although stretch goal bonuses may hopefully add up enough to make it unnecessary
but it's worth pointing out that WGA multi box deals have (at least as far as i remember) always been for 3/5/10 of the same box, rather than mixing and matching
I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive
Garrac wrote: I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive
Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.
Polonius wrote: Assuming this mirrors other campaigns, I'd guess we'll see some sweeteners as it goes on. I'm very excited about this, but projecting how excited I'll be about not-guard in 11 months (at best) is tricky. If I'm saving 10% to lock up a few hundred bucks for a year... that's probably a pass, unfortunately.
but we'll see. Make the pot a little sweeter, and I'm very much back in.
I'm not much better. Money is tight and the price isn't sweet enough for any of the stretch goals they are showing. I'm thinking at these prices 2 boxes will be my max. The only way I would add on is if they suddenly had their Afghan Cavalry box ready.
Garrac wrote: I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive
Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.
I was comparing it to the other Miniwargaming Gamefound campaign, where they started on december last lyear, ended some months ago, and are planning to go to shipping phase allegedly before summer ends. Alltho, it can be argued that that campaign may had had some of the production phases already prepared when it started and that WA may have another pace, I don't know.
Garrac wrote: I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive
Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.
I was comparing it to the other Miniwargaming Gamefound campaign, where they started on december last lyear, ended some months ago, and are planning to go to shipping phase allegedly before summer ends. Alltho, it can be argued that that campaign may had had some of the production phases already prepared when it started and that WA may have another pace, I don't know.
It's definitely hard to tell. I mean it "feels" like WGA isn't putting out kits as fast as they were, but that is likely my perception as I'm sure I glossed over some of their recent historical kits as I focus on what I've been waiting on.
ScarletRose wrote: I mean part of the incentive is getting all the kits at once rather than waiting successive production cycles to get infantry, then heavy weapons, then command, etc.
Still I wouldn't mind a bit better deal on the bundles.
Given the speed I paint/assemble, that's not as much of an incentive as it could be ^^
Garrac wrote: I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive
Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.
I was comparing it to the other Miniwargaming Gamefound campaign, where they started on december last lyear, ended some months ago, and are planning to go to shipping phase allegedly before summer ends. Alltho, it can be argued that that campaign may had had some of the production phases already prepared when it started and that WA may have another pace, I don't know.
Not sure if they had any other campaigns before that I am not aware but I think Miniwargaming was getting their miniatures produced in other materials other than HIPS (I think they were using PVC) and likely were ordering them from a company with a smaller time to market (there are several companies that focus on supporting manufacturing processes for crowdfunding campaigns).
What I meant is that with this campaign while in theory it would feasible to do everything in that time window, we have potentially 8 kits of miniatures to produce in HIPS, as well as a few other sprues for bases, which if you check the current offering from Wargames Atlantic is like 1/4 of the number of available kits in their range and while some of the activities can be performed in parallel, there are things like the mould tooling and the production of the sprues that are likely to be a bottleneck based on their previous releases.
Garrac wrote: I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive
Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.
I was comparing it to the other Miniwargaming Gamefound campaign, where they started on december last lyear, ended some months ago, and are planning to go to shipping phase allegedly before summer ends. Alltho, it can be argued that that campaign may had had some of the production phases already prepared when it started and that WA may have another pace, I don't know.
Not sure if they had any other campaigns before that I am not aware but I think Miniwargaming was getting their miniatures produced in other materials other than HIPS (I think they were using PVC) and likely were ordering them from a company with a smaller time to market (there are several companies that focus on supporting manufacturing processes for crowdfunding campaigns).
What I meant is that with this campaign while in theory it would feasible to do everything in that time window, we have potentially 8 kits of miniatures to produce in HIPS, as well as a few other sprues for bases, which if you check the current offering from Wargames Atlantic is like 1/4 of the number of available kits in their range and while some of the activities can be performed in parallel, there are things like the mould tooling and the production of the sprues that are likely to be a bottleneck based on their previous releases.
Um I see. We'll see then, alltho while I have no problem in waiting if the shipping dates are correct, I can totally understand why others would have issues with having their money on a long project.
Prices are still the same, more expensive than current WA kits, but is nice to feel heard
Also, I still consider weird how the outriders were pushed to stretch goals while the command squad was put on the basic pack, having in mind that their sprue looks like isn't still fully planned out, on the contrary as the outriders.
Also, I think we won't have more previews until the crowdfunding starts
Well, that was at least enough to get me to follow the project and probably back it.
If outriders are unlocked and become available in the 100 buck level and shipping is free like on their website I'll probably go in for at least 3 boxes of something.
I think we may be getting more info on the hounds this monday or wednesday, since is the only not-unveiled kit. Ans most probably is actual doggies, since WA said a heavy infantry kit is a possibility for later stretch goals.
So, rn if you follow and back it up up to 5 kits you get for free:
-6 infantry soldiers
-A 25mm base sprue
-A 25x50mm base sprue
-A sprue of outiders
-A sprue of the hounds
I guess we might get more free stuff once the stretch goals are unlocked (alltho, I think the first ones will probably be completed on minute 1 since there are already like 808 people following in GameFound. Granted, a huge proportion might not buy it all, but the goals are humble enough for a quick fullfillment)
Also, just read on facebook that the campaign is going to last 2 weeks, but Gamefound uses to let you buy later pledges (as has happened with Ravaged star)
That looks like the most uninspired generic-sci-fi product I've seen from WA. Almost everything they make is packed with character, even if I don't always like their design choices. But that just seems bland.
That looks like the most uninspired generic-sci-fi product I've seen from WA. Almost everything they make is packed with character, even if I don't always like their design choices. But that just seems bland.
The hands have three fingers. It might be that space frog in power armor, or some other kind of alien/mutant. I consider that characterful.
Saw this in the comments section of the Gamefound preview page:
USER COMMENT:
"Any chance of adding a couple of the existing boxes like the cannon fodder as an add-on ?
(oh ... and female variants of 'the damned' would be soo cool"
Charlie-WargamesAtlantic We did consider having existing product available as add ons and is definitely something we could do.
Female Damned Infantry you say?…
Keep your eyes peeled for updates and future stretch goals.
I would probably look at the 5 box deal if female multipart figs get unlocked.
Eilif wrote: Well, that was at least enough to get me to follow the project and probably back it.
If outriders are unlocked and become available in the 100 buck level and shipping is free like on their website I'll probably go in for at least 3 boxes of something.
I asked about shipping, and they were worryingly coy. Since these boxes regularly have volume discount and free shipping, we'd be basically paying a premium to wait a year.
I'm very much intrigued, but I've got other things I can drop that money on.
Welp, they've updated the stretch goals to cover the 8 kits (alltho the 400 € is odd, since is an upgrade sprue for vehicles, instead of a proper vehicle?)
They've also put a free sprues section indicating which free stuff can you receive. Most interesting thing are the rewards for buyers of 10 or more boxes, that include:
Atm none of this is included yet on stretch goals, but it's easy to supose that a lot of those are going to be reached up very quick seeing that the campaign 1000 followers (to compare, Ravaged Star had 4000 backers after 7 months)
Here's hoping for details on the "Hounds" kit today. I don't see what it has to so difficult for them to confirm if it's actual canines or a human kit called Hounds.
So as it stands, you have to buy 10 boxes to get about 1 box worth of sprues free, and probably pay shipping on top of it? The math will check out more when we see exactly how big a mutation sprue is or how many sprues compose a box of Heavy Infantry etc. etc. but I'm still struggling to see why to buy in now and not order local later.
KipCujo wrote: So as it stands, you have to buy 10 boxes to get about 1 box worth of sprues free, and probably pay shipping on top of it? The math will check out more when we see exactly how big a mutation sprue is or how many sprues compose a box of Heavy Infantry etc. etc. but I'm still struggling to see why to buy in now and not order local later.
Tbf WA has free shipping after 50 bucks, which all the packs surpass.
KipCujo wrote: So as it stands, you have to buy 10 boxes to get about 1 box worth of sprues free, and probably pay shipping on top of it? The math will check out more when we see exactly how big a mutation sprue is or how many sprues compose a box of Heavy Infantry etc. etc. but I'm still struggling to see why to buy in now and not order local later.
Tbf WA has free shipping after 50 bucks, which all the packs surpass.
Sure, then why not just simply say as much when asked? Surely advertising free shipping would be great marketing rather than being coy like with Polonius.
Polonius wrote:
Eilif wrote: Well, that was at least enough to get me to follow the project and probably back it.
If outriders are unlocked and become available in the 100 buck level and shipping is free like on their website I'll probably go in for at least 3 boxes of something.
I asked about shipping, and they were worryingly coy. Since these boxes regularly have volume discount and free shipping, we'd be basically paying a premium to wait a year.
I'm very much intrigued, but I've got other things I can drop that money on.
Sure, then why not just simply say as much when asked? Surely advertising free shipping would be great marketing rather than being coy like with Polonius.
I wonder if the person running their Facebook realizing that their being coy is starting to border on trolly. I sure don't want WGA to start taking social media engagement tips from Will Shick at AMG.
Sure, then why not just simply say as much when asked? Surely advertising free shipping would be great marketing rather than being coy like with Polonius.
I wonder if the person running their Facebook realizing that their being coy is starting to border on trolly. I sure don't want WGA to start taking social media engagement tips from Will Shick at AMG.
We're not trying to be coy. As written above, shipping deals/costs will be presented soon.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: We're not trying to be coy. As written above, shipping deals/costs will be presented soon.
I was just commenting on so other responses overall, so glad to hear. It might just be something ticked off those regional phrases that don't have the same meaning elsewhere.
Back on topic, thanks for posting the link on liking the campaign today.
Max. The reasoning for Reptilian overlords or least what was stated is "Its another company doing it and they set the price". Are you saying the Damned are not a "Wargames Atlantic" product and the "partners" are setting the price? Or is this the new pricing scheme that is coming? The comment quoted above talks about inflation and cost increases but didnt Hudson make a big statement that costs really went up like $.03 a year or so back? And "prices will be announced for shipping" Makes it sound like shipping will be another charge, which while reasonable in the grand scheme... you guys do have free shipping at retail. I am in the "wait and see" camp... but I think this feels like a company policy change with increased prices to see if the market will "bear it". Still a fan... and hope I am wrong
Max. The reasoning for Reptilian overlords or least what was stated is "Its another company doing it and they set the price". Are you saying the Damned are not a "Wargames Atlantic" product and the "partners" are setting the price? Or is this the new pricing scheme that is coming? The comment quoted above talks about inflation and cost increases but didnt Hudson make a big statement that costs really went up like $.03 a year or so back? And "prices will be announced for shipping" Makes it sound like shipping will be another charge, which while reasonable in the grand scheme... you guys do have free shipping at retail. I am in the "wait and see" camp... but I think this feels like a company policy change with increased prices to see if the market will "bear it". Still a fan... and hope I am wrong
As far as the responding team member is aware, this is not a "see if the market will bear it" situation, and the pricing is slightly higher because of other factors.
If the team member in that image capture is saying it's because of additional costs associated with crowdfunding AND additional handling costs from picking mix and match orders vs multiples of one type of box, that's what I'd believe until more information is available on the gamefound page.
I'll certainly run your concerns up the chain, but I would also suggest you comment on the campaign preview page.
(Also, it looks like we'll have more close-ups on the command squad and the artillery soon)
Also, look at the stretch goals:
-It's confirmed that the Hounds box will have 18 handlers and hounds (so, yes, doggies!!!!!)
-The artillery is made of 3 pieces
-The vehicle upgrades are 2 sprues
(Also, it looks like we'll have more close-ups on the command squad and the artillery soon)
Also, look at the stretch goals:
-It's confirmed that the Hounds box will have 18 handlers and hounds (so, yes, doggies!!!!!)
-The artillery is made of 3 pieces
-The vehicle upgrades are 2 sprues
Thank you so much for confirming about the Hounds (why was that so difficult?) I'm hoping they look really good because for some reason I just don't see many good sculpts of dogs. Now I can start figuring out how many boxes I might want.
Garrac wrote: And from all the close-ups and previews and the such I'd say WA is not interested on doing psykers atm tho
Thank you so much for confirming about the Hounds (why was that so difficult?) I'm hoping they look really good because for some reason I just don't see many good sculpts of dogs. Now I can start figuring out how many boxes I might want.
I'm still waiting for a confirmation on the shipment deals. I hope many stretch goals get unlocked very early so I can grab the 5-box deal, as I'm only interested on the brutes and the command squad from the first half (I already own too many infantry lol)
OnTableTop interview - they confirm that they are working on more generic less chaos style heads. Looks like Brutes get 1 shield per 3 as they take up too much space on the sprue but they might add shields to other sprues such as the command sprue if there is space
Thank you so much for confirming about the Hounds (why was that so difficult?) I'm hoping they look really good because for some reason I just don't see many good sculpts of dogs. Now I can start figuring out how many boxes I might want.
I'm still waiting for a confirmation on the shipment deals. I hope many stretch goals get unlocked very early so I can grab the 5-box deal, as I'm only interested on the brutes and the command squad from the first half (I already own too many infantry lol)
Yeah, I'm of a similar mindset. I just want a sampling until my financials improve.
Very nice to see the outrider in more detail. I had assumed I'd want to add entirely new torsos to the riders to make non -chaos versions, but those should be just fine simply by filling/repairing the gashes in the armor. And new heads of course.
At this point The only question is, after Brutes and outriders, which will be my third set?
Eilif wrote: Very nice to see the outrider in more detail. I had assumed I'd want to add entirely new torsos to the riders to make non -chaos versions, but those should be just fine simply by filling/repairing the gashes in the armor. And new heads of course.
Seems a lot of work to make the ramshackle chaos dudes into not so ramshackle chaos dudes. Are there other good Sci Fi riders out there?
I thought I someone (maybe WGA) making WWI riders, they might be a better base than trying to turn the Darned into something else.
I feel like it's easy to guess that the female infantry will have the same number of models as the base infantry but I'm curious on the number of sprues for the mutations, heavy infantry and power armor that WGA expects for those kits. Not that it matters for me. Only unlocks will determine my buy in level now.
legionaires wrote: I feel like it's easy to guess that the female infantry will have the same number of models as the base infantry but I'm curious on the number of sprues for the mutations, heavy infantry and power armor that WGA expects for those kits. Not that it matters for me. Only unlocks will determine my buy in level now.
Me too... Though I am considering the 10 box deal if lots of stuff are unlocked...
Right now I want:
Ogres,
Basic infantry
Command...
But if lots of stuff unlock I may do the 10 box deal and get
Command, Artillery, Rough RIders, Ogres
and 6 boxes of females and make an all female (with ogres) army. See if I can find any of the old Plastic german dusk walkers to use with it.
Looks like WGA updated the free sprues for the stretch goals to sprues from their Cannon Fodder range. That's meh for me but I'm sure some folks will be excited. I guess they adjusted were the Female infantry, heavy infantry and power armored minis would be added in as goals.
Hopefully that adjustment doesn't hurt the campaign.
legionaires wrote: Looks like WGA updated the free sprues for the stretch goals to sprues from their Cannon Fodder range. That's meh for me but I'm sure some folks will be excited. I guess they adjusted were the Female infantry, heavy infantry and power armored minis would be added in as goals.
Hopefully that adjustment doesn't hurt the campaign.
Yeah... that is kind of disappointing. I already have both Cannon fodders sets... Oh well
Garrac wrote: Oooooh, they've taken out the female damned infantry from the free rewards. That sucks.
Yep and confirmed that it's Cannon Fodder sprues.
At this point, it will just be a matter of the tank and what else unlocks for me. Outside of the base infantry, everything else I want is in the stretch goals. I want to hope this blows up but I'm also mentally prepared for just average. Hopefully there is enough in the vehicle extras sprue to make technicals.
I really hope a lot of the folk in the FB group that keep saying they'd buy huge guard (Deathfields) armies if 'everything' was available show up to the KS
I think I can afford a 5 box deal although i'm sure i'll want more if it all unlocks
Garrac wrote: Oooooh, they've taken out the female damned infantry from the free rewards. That sucks.
Yep and confirmed that it's Cannon Fodder sprues.
At this point, it will just be a matter of the tank and what else unlocks for me. Outside of the base infantry, everything else I want is in the stretch goals. I want to hope this blows up but I'm also mentally prepared for just average. Hopefully there is enough in the vehicle extras sprue to make technicals.
I was very disapointed so I checked their Facebook and they say this:
As Tuesday comes ever closer we have been hard at work refining The Damned campaign. Tomorrow we should have everything in it's final form (including announcing shipping costs) and how it all works. Today we wanted to show off all the FREE STUFF you'll get depending on whether you're pledging for 3, 5, 10, or 15 boxes!
BUT JUST LIKE A LATE NIGHT INFOMERCIAL…
BUT WAIT…THERE’S MORE!
With your support we can take this campaign to new heights! If we are lucky enough to break past $500K (tell your friends!) then here are some of the other stretch goals we have in store:
Fully Painted Damned Army from Cult of Paint!
The Damned Female Infantry
A sprue to Damn-ify your plastic tanks and other vehicles
The Damned Heavy Infantry
A sprue of sci-fi terrain for your battlefield
The Damned Power Armor
Extra Frames of Parts for Each of the Original Sets (more poses, more bits!)
Alternate mounts for the Outriders
The Damned Scout Snipers
The Damned Gene-edited Hybrids
A FREE vehicle for all backers!
Bases in every set!
And potentially much more…it’s really up to you!
Now we don’t want to tempt the Hubris Gods but we also don’t want to be caught flat-footed if the response is as crazy as some of you have told us it will be! We’ll know soon! Thanks for backing us and helping us make The Damned a reality!
Click here to follow the campaign (which also gets you a FREE sprue of Damned Infantry when you back!
So they might arrive, but only if some more unknown stretch goals are unlocked. I really hope it doesnt take too much...
I want to pledge to get stuff. I never could go crazy with a pledge. Right now I’m waiting to see what the rewards are when the campaign finally drops so I can measure the value of the rewards against their cost and long wait time. The initial prices and pledge tiers surprised me in an unpleasant way.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I want to pledge to get stuff. I never could go crazy with a pledge. Right now I’m waiting to see what the rewards are when the campaign finally drops so I can measure the value of the rewards against their cost and long wait time. The initial prices and pledge tiers surprised me in an unpleasant way.
From what I've read at Gamefound, you are not the only one feeling this way. Crowdfunding is essentially an interest-free loan where the backers, not the company, assumes the risk. As such, I believe that said company should sweeten the pot significantly, or I'll wait for retail and shop for a discount.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I want to pledge to get stuff. I never could go crazy with a pledge. Right now I’m waiting to see what the rewards are when the campaign finally drops so I can measure the value of the rewards against their cost and long wait time. The initial prices and pledge tiers surprised me in an unpleasant way.
From what I've read at Gamefound, you are not the only one feeling this way. Crowdfunding is essentially an interest-free loan where the backers, not the company, assumes the risk. As such, I believe that said company should sweeten the pot significantly, or I'll wait for retail and shop for a discount.
Agree. I found the answer of "Its more expensive because of the costs of crowdfunding" dissatisfying. Crowdfunders are usually better deals because you are asking for my money in advance beyond even a preorder in time. I shouldnt be paying more AND waiting longer.... And from the comments about how they will let us know the shipping prices so we know "exactly what we will pay" Does sound like shipping will be an extra expense where as over 5 boxes on their retail page it is not... So... Its more expensive, will take longer and I have to py shipping on top of that... My interest is still here... but rapidly declining... and the change out to free cannon fodder sprues didnt help that either...
Eilif wrote: Very nice to see the outrider in more detail. I had assumed I'd want to add entirely new torsos to the riders to make non -chaos versions, but those should be just fine simply by filling/repairing the gashes in the armor. And new heads of course.
Seems a lot of work to make the ramshackle chaos dudes into not so ramshackle chaos dudes. Are there other good Sci Fi riders out there?
I thought I someone (maybe WGA) making WWI riders, they might be a better base than trying to turn the Darned into something else.
Sci Fi riders are hard to find.
Shouldn't be hard to mod the damned outriders though. As far as can tell from the pics, the legs and arms are, fairly generic, un-spikey and undamaged. A couple of fills on each breastplate and new heads and I should be good to go.
make sure you follow the gamefound preview, the newsletter says if it hits 3000 (at about 1700 now) followers by launch those who do get a free Brute sprue as well as the free infantry one
so bully your friends into following too if they might even slightly be tempted
Newsletter says launch is set for Tuesday May 30th at 10AM Eastern/3PM GMT time!
Glad of the included shipping over $50 makes it a lot more appealing.
An excellent addition. They'd be great as CC troops even without the hounds. The size of the prods indicate that the hounds might prove to be quite impressive!
First look at the Female troopers is great also. Just as BA as the dudes.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I'd like them to add women bodies to the infantry sprue.
They don't really need separate arms and it would make the set distinct
Female infantry was asked here, and they actually heard us and added them to the future stretch goals!
I think I prefer them as a separate kit for infantry option, gives more kitbashing freedom.
I could see it both ways but for an army like this where you're likely to have a ton of bodies and likely only one type of sprue per box, having more pose variety via 2 sets seems like a good thing. I was assembling some Warlord British last week and repeating hunchy poses were beginning to annoy me.
Hopefully they will take advantage of having two sets to have more unique parts on each sprue for cross-set customization.
This is shaping into quite an impressive campaign.
The N’Glonhgk (which means “people” in their native tongue like most races) are divided into hundreds of small nation states on their watery home world. Once united under a global government the system broke down through greed and the manipulation of the rich and powerful. Now shifting alliances and near constant competition for resources has created a state of perpetual war on their planet. Unbeknownst to the N’Glonhgk, this slide into chaos has also caused them to lose their sponsorship for first contact with the galactic government.
With little hope of entry the planet has been opened to Death Fields league agents and the first team has been established recently on the circuit. Called simply The N’Glonhgk, this new team sports armored carapace armor and the latest armaments of their home world. They have yet to make a name for themselves but have posted up some initial wins and are attracting fans. They are a team to watch.
This multi-part set includes options to equip the five unique bodies with standard rifles, rifle with underslung GL, squad support weapons, and pistols
They certainly could, if the community wants it. We accept new suggestions for vox Populi and reserve the right to add sets to the system.
If you want them in plastic, campaign to make it so. Bring it up here and on our legion Facebook group. Make a poll. Talk about further weapon options, etc.
Gutted. I went to the web page to try and order some, to realise they're a digital release. DamnApologies to whoever put them in this PHYSICAL release thread.
Ah well, I can only hope they eventually come out in plastic/resin/metal/restic/cake/clay, something real at least.
The only issue I had with the models was, the one that looked like it had been shot in the back. Is that what the pose was?
Gutted. I went to the web page to try and order some, to realise they're a digital release. Damn whoever put them in this PHYSICAL release thread.
Ah well, I can only hope they eventually come out in plastic/resin/metal/restic/cake/clay, something real at least.
The only issue I had with the models was, the one that looked like it had been shot in the back. Is that what the pose was?
Did you go to the MMF webpage, where the STL set is sold, or the only games storefront that houses our physical releases of Atlantic digital products?
In other news, we have crested 2000 followers for The Damned campaign on gamefound. Once again, if we make it to 3000 before launch everyone who pledges gets 3 free Damned Brutes.
Please help us spread the word and make this possible.
Readers and Wargames Atlantic, should I tinker with the title on this thread to make it only for hard plastic releases and the digital thread to include prints?
Or is this getting too complicated?
Should I close both and let WGA start a new thread(s) and divy them up however they want?
Should I close both and let WGA start a new thread(s) and divy them up however they want?
(After long deliberations, being formerly a proponent of separate threads.) This. HIPS infos are rare enough (except current Damned campaign) that there is no need for 2 separate threads.
Gutted. I went to the web page to try and order some, to realise they're a digital release. Damn whoever put them in this PHYSICAL release thread.
Ah well, I can only hope they eventually come out in plastic/resin/metal/restic/cake/clay, something real at least.
The only issue I had with the models was, the one that looked like it had been shot in the back. Is that what the pose was?
My link was to the page where a customer receives a PHYSICAL product from Only Games, not a digital file.
They certainly could, if the community wants it. We accept new suggestions for vox Populi and reserve the right to add sets to the system.
If you want them in plastic, campaign to make it so. Bring it up here and on our legion Facebook group. Make a poll. Talk about further weapon options, etc.
Excellent advice. I’m going to be grounded in my hopes though. WGA has many projects on the bench including the Damned crowdfunding thing and the Quar project that I am hoping releases this year.
It’s true that there could be a groundswell of support and vox votes for plastic frogs but I am content to chew on what is already in the works
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Readers and Wargames Atlantic, should I tinker with the title on this thread to make it only for hard plastic releases and the digital thread to include prints?
Or is this getting too complicated?
Should I close both and let WGA start a new thread(s) and divy them up however they want?
I've always thought this should just be for plastic boxes sets and sprues.
3d prints and files are a natural fit for the other thread especially since they are often the same thing.
They certainly could, if the community wants it. We accept new suggestions for vox Populi and reserve the right to add sets to the system.
If you want them in plastic, campaign to make it so. Bring it up here and on our legion Facebook group. Make a poll. Talk about further weapon options, etc.
In a theoretical world where this happened, and they got a couple dozen votes (but not the 1000 needed to fast track), would they bump kits that had been in Vox Populi for a longer period of time but fewer votes?
and we still need 731 followers in the next 21 hours or so to lock in the free brute sprue, so bully your gaming friends to follow otherwise i'll be a sad damned panda
Garrac wrote: As stated, I think I'm gonna wait to the first week of June, to see if the early stretch goals get unlocked quickly. Very excited about this tbh.
They just posted an update:
Back in the first 24 hours of the campaign (starting at 10am EST / 3pm GMT Tuesday May 30) and automatically receive a FREE sprue of Heavy Weapons to your reward level.
As clarified by Hudson in the comments of the gamefound campaign, the early bird bonus applies to Amy pledge of 3 boxes or above made in the first 24 hours.
The only thing missing for me is a communication backpack with a radio, antennas, some dials. Other than that this looks so awesome, can't wait to build multiple squads with different levels of mutations, veterans being more "blessed" by the "gifts" of their benefactors/radiation
that's on the command sprue (so you'll either get 2 or 3 depending on whether they make the 12 minis in the box from 2 sprues with 6 bodies, or 3 sprues with 4 bodies)
Nicky J wrote: Well, the vehicle is quite underwhelming IMO, not sure exactly what i was expecting, but it wasn't this:
Disagree 100%.
An armored mrap/armored car with modular turrets is fantastic. Scifi Panhard AML here. Sold.
As an added bonus this is basically the STeG-4 armored car from Gaunt's Ghosts
edit: I think I just sold myself on doing a Sons of Sek army using those as Urdesh Forge World SteG-4 and the archon studios Wolverine Tank as Urdesh Forge World AT-70 tanks.
Nicky J wrote: Well, the vehicle is quite underwhelming IMO, not sure exactly what i was expecting, but it wasn't this:
Disagree 100%.
An armored mrap/armored car with modular turrets is fantastic. Scifi Panhard AML here. Sold.
As an added bonus this is basically the STeG-4 armored car from Gaunt's Ghosts
I think for me, it doesn't appear modular enough. If ther was a break in the panels behind the driver compartment, where you could flatbed/pickup the kit and make it into a 4 wheel technical as well, I would be more interested. It's not bad, it just not as exciting to me personally. If I was to want one, it would likely be after the campaign.
I think for me, it doesn't appear modular enough. If ther was a break in the panels behind the driver compartment, where you could flatbed/pickup the kit and make it into a 4 wheel technical as well, I would be more interested. It's not bad, it just not as exciting to me personally. If I was to want one, it would likely be after the campaign.
interesting - they bill it as a modular vehicle and are previewing just one build in the picture. I guess the difference is that I am expecting "several variations" to probably include much of what you've said whereas you are not.
It looks like it should be very easy to design this vehicle so that it can either be enclosed or have an open flatbed for different turrets. It's not really what I need, but if it gets unlocked with more details, I might be swayed by the modularity.
Nicky J wrote: Well, the vehicle is quite underwhelming IMO, not sure exactly what i was expecting, but it wasn't this:
Yeah, same. I was expecting a proper tank, even if it was really boxy.
Why would you expect a battle tank first over an infantry fighting vehicle, when the infantry are one of the first kits unlocked?
It stood to reason we were getting an APC/IFV first.
I work in a job field where exact words matter. The word tank was used, and that has a very specific implication. A wheeled IFV is just something different. Hence why I expected a tank.
Nicky J wrote: Well, the vehicle is quite underwhelming IMO, not sure exactly what i was expecting, but it wasn't this:
Yeah, same. I was expecting a proper tank, even if it was really boxy.
Why would you expect a battle tank first over an infantry fighting vehicle, when the infantry are one of the first kits unlocked?
It stood to reason we were getting an APC/IFV first.
I work in a job field where exact words matter. The word tank was used, and that has a very specific implication. A wheeled IFV is just something different. Hence why I expected a tank.
Respectfully:
1. This is not your work, and you shouldn't hold Wargames Atlantic to such a stringent vocabulary policy.
2. The secondary definition of the word "tank" is
a heavy armoured fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.
Which this vehicle fulfills except for the tracked part.
I think for me, it doesn't appear modular enough. If ther was a break in the panels behind the driver compartment, where you could flatbed/pickup the kit and make it into a 4 wheel technical as well, I would be more interested. It's not bad, it just not as exciting to me personally. If I was to want one, it would likely be after the campaign.
interesting - they bill it as a modular vehicle and are previewing just one build in the picture. I guess the difference is that I am expecting "several variations" to probably include much of what you've said whereas you are not.
it's the lack on a straight line of panels behind the driver's compartment. It just doesn't appear modular in the way I envision it, that's all.
Nicky J wrote: Well, the vehicle is quite underwhelming IMO, not sure exactly what i was expecting, but it wasn't this:
Yeah, same. I was expecting a proper tank, even if it was really boxy.
Why would you expect a battle tank first over an infantry fighting vehicle, when the infantry are one of the first kits unlocked?
It stood to reason we were getting an APC/IFV first.
I work in a job field where exact words matter. The word tank was used, and that has a very specific implication. A wheeled IFV is just something different. Hence why I expected a tank.
Respectfully:
1. This is not your work, and you shouldn't hold Wargames Atlantic to such a stringent vocabulary policy.
2. The secondary definition of the word "tank" is
a heavy armoured fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.
Which this vehicle fulfills except for the tracked part.
You asked for a reason and I responded. I'm not understanding why my disappointment seems to upset you. There have been several things about this campaign that I have not been fond of but I'm still likely to back. I'm not pulling a Peter James and complaining I'm boycotting the company until I get "what I want"
In!
Almost pulled out when they required me to pick which sets as at least one of the ones I want isn't unlocked yet. However, the site says:
'Your actual payment will be collected if the campaign reaches its goal when it ends. Until then you can freely change or withdraw your pledge.'
So I went ahead.
In other news, the APC looks great. I'm unsure of whether it's impressive enough to beat out the other cool vehicles you can get 3d printed in the same price range. However, it's nicely generic and it was smart of them not to Damn-it-up with dings and damage.
Lastly, I really wasn't thinking much about buying the damned infantry figures themselves, but the video here really suggests some great post-apoc and other sci-fi uses for these.
Eilif wrote: In!
Almost pulled out when they required me to pick which sets as at least one of the ones I want isn't unlocked yet. However, the site says:
'Your actual payment will be collected if the campaign reaches its goal when it ends. Until then you can freely change or withdraw your pledge.'
So I went ahead.
I also noticed that Gamefound allow multiple payments instead of one lump sum - definitely a good idea for when additional sets get unlocked and I considering increasing my pledge size, so it doesn't hit my card all at once.
Nicky J wrote: Well, the vehicle is quite underwhelming IMO, not sure exactly what i was expecting, but it wasn't this:
Yeah, same. I was expecting a proper tank, even if it was really boxy.
Why would you expect a battle tank first over an infantry fighting vehicle, when the infantry are one of the first kits unlocked?
It stood to reason we were getting an APC/IFV first.
I work in a job field where exact words matter. The word tank was used, and that has a very specific implication. A wheeled IFV is just something different. Hence why I expected a tank.
Respectfully:
1. This is not your work, and you shouldn't hold Wargames Atlantic to such a stringent vocabulary policy.
2. The secondary definition of the word "tank" is
a heavy armoured fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.
Which this vehicle fulfills except for the tracked part.
You asked for a reason and I responded. I'm not understanding why my disappointment seems to upset you. There have been several things about this campaign that I have not been fond of but I'm still likely to back. I'm not pulling a Peter James and complaining I'm boycotting the company until I get "what I want"
You have not upset me, I apologize for any allusions in that regard.
Easy E wrote: I am really into this release, BUT.....
.... I never back online pre-orders like this. If it is not at retail it doesn't exist yet as far as I am concerned. Just a personal preference.
I mean, they need sales after the campaign anyway, so I guess it works out that not everyone jumps onto the kickstarter (Or whatever) campaign.
No shame there. Do whatever you're comfortable with. The only advantages of crowdfunding tend to be cheaper cost, freebies and -depending on the campaign- the ability of a massive funding to make more products available at once.
For campaigns where the retail savings isn't massive and the product goals are likely to be reached not jumping in probably won't change much. For a project like this I'll be curious to see if they can reach all their stated goals if folks hang back waiting for retail.
Eilif wrote: In!
Almost pulled out when they required me to pick which sets as at least one of the ones I want isn't unlocked yet. However, the site says:
'Your actual payment will be collected if the campaign reaches its goal when it ends. Until then you can freely change or withdraw your pledge.'
So I went ahead.
I also noticed that Gamefound allow multiple payments instead of one lump sum - definitely a good idea for when additional sets get unlocked and I considering increasing my pledge size, so it doesn't hit my card all at once.
Okay to me that is HUGE. Being able to spread the financial pain out a bit means I'm more likely to make a bigger overall pledge.
Also, btw, some folks are waiting for this to come to LGS for the 15-20% discount, but... that discount, of 15%, is already applied on the pledges. So, the saving isn't very far off (unless your shop does bigger discounts on Wargames Atlantic stuff)
(Also, discounts become way bigger on bigger pledges, plus the freebies)
I like the look of the truck (and it is a truck, not a tank even with a loose definition of the word). Main criticism is that the wheel arches look a bit cramped and the tire tread seems kind of weird. Still, by the standards of stuff produced by other companies, it's pretty realistic.
Grill over the windows is a good way of avoiding having to do transparent bits. Looks like it will be a pain to paint the cab interior though. Hopefully there will be a way to assemble it in two pieces which clip together.
As far as I can tell, in that configuration it's meant to be a substitute for the Aurox, so I guess this is very much intended for the 30k Imperialis Militia market and is avoiding direct competition with GW plastic kits. Hopefully there will be a lot of different configurations (some possibly locked behind stretch goals) so that it can work as a taurox, goliath, and maybe even chimera, hellhound, etc.
It should also appeal to ork players as a variant trukk.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The only thing that I'm totally underwhelmed by in this campaign is the bases. They would look so much better with Warmachine (rounded) or Warhammer (angled) style rims.
I have to disagree, I am quite Whelmed by this armored car. It would fit in the mean streets of the near future, the post apocalypse battlefields of WWIII or the grim darkness of the far future.
The Terrae Motus ("Earthquake") is going to be able to be configured in a variety of ways. At it's base it's an open top APC. It can be up-armored as an APC with an HMG mount or totally enclosed with various turret options (that we can add to add to as we unlock more stretch goals). Someone mentioned a flat bed version which is a really interesting idea! We'll take a look at that!
What you're seeing above is just the base armored APC version of the Earthquake. We have a few concepts we're working with to build it in other versions (see below) and add turrets to the armored version. We're going to continue to think up ways to design it to make it even more versatile!
Twin autocannon with ROWS-style turret looks good and should serve well as a Taurox or Goliath.
Flame unit looks a bit top-heavy (but only a little bit) and needs another gun (automatic grenade launcher / heavy bolter) to serve as a Hellhound (or a machine gun and some kind of drill / roller / dozer blade for a Goliath Rockgrinder). Additional gun would probably have to be mounted in the cab / on the bonnet (hood) which could look awkward.
Heavy laser just seems horribly proportioned. Not clear if it is meant to be an anti-personnel weapon (in which case the gun is far too large) or more of a 'mobile gun' anti-armour / fortification deal, in which case the turret needs to be larger (probably best as an oscillating turret with a big power unit hanging off the back). Not sure either option would be a good match for anything in 30/40k (maybe a Chimera if it had another gun).
As it's possible to have an open back compartment, shown in the first image above, would it be possible to mount some kind of small artillery/rocket launcher/anti air gun in the back? That would sell me on the kit.
I'm frustrated. I like just about everything in the release. I already have a sizeable chaos cultist army, but ya know. I can take more, and I really like the APC.
Went to pledge for 5 boxes, but the slightly expensive (£25.50 a box) cost jumped to very expensive (over £30 a box) once VAT was added. I am guessing these will be a little more than the usual WGA price £25/box at retail release but... this still doesn't seem like a great deal any more.
Vehicle is decent enough! I think the design would be significantly elevated with higher ground clearance and larger engine compartment. For me, there's a big disconnect in the shape language between the first quarter of the vehicle and the last three quarters. The only configuration that works for me is the unarmored APC, all the others look like a coupe engine powering a box truck. The wheels in front profile are also awfully narrow, would love to see those widened.
I hope this vehicle does well so that WGA is encouraged to do more "generic" plastic vehicles in the future.
Ian Sturrock wrote: I'm frustrated. I like just about everything in the release. I already have a sizeable chaos cultist army, but ya know. I can take more, and I really like the APC.
Went to pledge for 5 boxes, but the slightly expensive (£25.50 a box) cost jumped to very expensive (over £30 a box) once VAT was added. I am guessing these will be a little more than the usual WGA price £25/box at retail release but... this still doesn't seem like a great deal any more.
Vat and taxes in general are a pistol, no matter which way you slice it.
The price seems to be based on US prices with a discount applied. It would make sense that VAT would eat that.
Those look amazing. I will definitely be getting some when the reach the store for normal sales. The crowd funding prices are a bit much for me and I really just want these figures.
Those look amazing. I will definitely be getting some when the reach the store for normal sales. The crowd funding prices are a bit much for me and I really just want these figures.
You are going to be paying more per figure at retail prices
You have to buy at least 5 boxes to beat retail price (at least where I can reliably buy from for 20% off), and half the freebie sprues at that level are bases. It's just not as compelling as I'd like it to be for a pre-order campaign for me and presumably those of us only after a handful of boxes. I'm rooting for the campaign though!
Vat and taxes in general are a pistol, no matter which way you slice it.
The price seems to be based on US prices with a discount applied. It would make sense that VAT would eat that.
If they're shipping from the UK hub to the UK, which they say they are, it'd make sense for UK crowdfunding prices to be based on a discount from UK retail prices, rather than a slight increase.
In the UK, the customer pays VAT but we never really notice it expect on imports -- it's baked into the price. If you look at the WGA website and change currency to £, there's no mention of VAT as a separate amount. You're paying it, sure, but it's already factored in to the £25/box retail price.
An IFV makes sense, although I'm surprised by the lack of treads. Also, I was expecting light scout vehicles. Still, that's not important to me, as I'm not interested in vehicles anyway. The mutant parts and the female troopers are of some interest.
Edit: A vehicle like the US M3 half-track would also be good. Perhaps with the front wheel replaced by smaller treads for a tighter turn radius. (Not that's important in a minis game, but it's a design justification.)
$39.95 a box (assumed retail for these) is probably going to be £30 (rather than the current £25 for the existing WGA kits)
so the 5 box deal is pretty much the retail price for the UK (but there are the free stretch goals which sweetens things a bit and stand against online discounters)
but if the project doesn't fund i can't see more than the basic infantry being done any time soon (no more than a couple a year at best) so hopefully folk will see it's still beneficial to back if they actually want a whole army to release any time soon
judgedoug wrote: blech I would rather not have these serve as some sort of not-Chimera. please, no dumb hull-mounted weapons.
really digging the not-real-world Panhard AML or even Humvee style of "one chassis, multiple uses".
I think a hull mounted weapon would look less-cool, but including one would be a really smart move for them if going for the GW crowd. However, there's no reason it couldn't be a modular replacement for the passenger side window. Something you can easily add or leave off depending on your needs. That sort of sweet spot for 40k players (probably the majority of the pledgers) but also for those of us who either don't care about 40k or don't need another 40k army.
Seems like, as WA told, shipping from 50 bucks is free, but VAT isn't included on the initial pledges, but put up later. So my pledge went from 146 euros to 177 with VAT applied
Also, there's the option to partition your pledge, but only if you pledge for more than 200 bucks (I may end up doing it, not a priority rn)
The cost goes once the campaign ends on the 23th of June, alltho I suspect this is going for more time since it has got a lot of success in a short time, as it has already funded a 71% of the project
So, the basic 4 kits funding is fairly guaranteed, the interesting question now is how far will it come, and if it will come as far as the Ravaged Star crowdfunding (also, please WA show us more on the command squad! We still haven't seen a lot of parts, lol)
My pledges will be (you can edit them while the campaign is going on: Brutes, command squad, artillery, riders and female infantry. So, I'm already begging for the stretch goals to be unlocked lol
Garrac wrote: Pledged for 5 kits... My pledges will be (you can edit them while the campaign is going on: Brutes, command squad, artillery, riders and female infantry. So, I'm already begging for the stretch goals to be unlocked lol
Same but probably wont do the artillery... But if I up to 10 boxes...
Command
Brutes
Riders
either 1 box of male infantry or the armored car
6 boxes of females
1. This is not your work, and you shouldn't hold Wargames Atlantic to such a stringent vocabulary policy.
2. The secondary definition of the word "tank" is
a heavy armoured fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.
Which this vehicle fulfills except for the tracked part.
Look, I know you're in business with WA, so I get your zeal, but I've been around the internet a long time, and when you start copying dictionary definitions into your posts, you're in a flamewar. You might be polite about it, but you're way off the point.
That's, uh, not a tank. We know it's not. It's more interesting than a tank, and might offer something new to the hobby, so I'm not mad. But it's not a tank. Now, stuff obviously changes in crowdfunding stretch goals (and this is a real stretch goal, not a fake hype builder), so there's a limit to how upset anybody can get.
