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Garrac wrote:
I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive

Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.

 Polonius wrote:
Assuming this mirrors other campaigns, I'd guess we'll see some sweeteners as it goes on. I'm very excited about this, but projecting how excited I'll be about not-guard in 11 months (at best) is tricky. If I'm saving 10% to lock up a few hundred bucks for a year... that's probably a pass, unfortunately.

but we'll see. Make the pot a little sweeter, and I'm very much back in.

I'm not much better. Money is tight and the price isn't sweet enough for any of the stretch goals they are showing. I'm thinking at these prices 2 boxes will be my max. The only way I would add on is if they suddenly had their Afghan Cavalry box ready.

 GreenScorpion wrote:

Garrac wrote:
I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive

Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.

I was comparing it to the other Miniwargaming Gamefound campaign, where they started on december last lyear, ended some months ago, and are planning to go to shipping phase allegedly before summer ends. Alltho, it can be argued that that campaign may had had some of the production phases already prepared when it started and that WA may have another pace, I don't know.

Garrac wrote:

 GreenScorpion wrote:

Garrac wrote:
I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive

Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.

I was comparing it to the other Miniwargaming Gamefound campaign, where they started on december last lyear, ended some months ago, and are planning to go to shipping phase allegedly before summer ends. Alltho, it can be argued that that campaign may had had some of the production phases already prepared when it started and that WA may have another pace, I don't know.

It's definitely hard to tell. I mean it "feels" like WGA isn't putting out kits as fast as they were, but that is likely my perception as I'm sure I glossed over some of their recent historical kits as I focus on what I've been waiting on.

Rough riders

 ScarletRose wrote:
I mean part of the incentive is getting all the kits at once rather than waiting successive production cycles to get infantry, then heavy weapons, then command, etc.

Still I wouldn't mind a bit better deal on the bundles.

Given the speed I paint/assemble, that's not as much of an incentive as it could be ^^

Garrac wrote:

 GreenScorpion wrote:

Garrac wrote:
I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive

Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.

I was comparing it to the other Miniwargaming Gamefound campaign, where they started on december last lyear, ended some months ago, and are planning to go to shipping phase allegedly before summer ends. Alltho, it can be argued that that campaign may had had some of the production phases already prepared when it started and that WA may have another pace, I don't know.

Not sure if they had any other campaigns before that I am not aware but I think Miniwargaming was getting their miniatures produced in other materials other than HIPS (I think they were using PVC) and likely were ordering them from a company with a smaller time to market (there are several companies that focus on supporting manufacturing processes for crowdfunding campaigns).
What I meant is that with this campaign while in theory it would feasible to do everything in that time window, we have potentially 8 kits of miniatures to produce in HIPS, as well as a few other sprues for bases, which if you check the current offering from Wargames Atlantic is like 1/4 of the number of available kits in their range and while some of the activities can be performed in parallel, there are things like the mould tooling and the production of the sprues that are likely to be a bottleneck based on their previous releases.

 GreenScorpion wrote:

Garrac wrote:

 GreenScorpion wrote:

Garrac wrote:
I must say, I think the "delivery on May 2024" is speculative/an autofill by Gamefound program? I don't think it'll take that long for the shipments to arrive

Given all of the kits are WIP and they have not started with layout/tooling, May 2024 may actually be too short for all the things they need to do after funding concludes, at least based on the typical development time for most Wargames Atlantic Kits. If we add the design, tooling, production and shipment, I would doubt that most locations except for the US would be able to get everything in that time frame, unless they put this project in front of restocks and other production/deliveries.

I was comparing it to the other Miniwargaming Gamefound campaign, where they started on december last lyear, ended some months ago, and are planning to go to shipping phase allegedly before summer ends. Alltho, it can be argued that that campaign may had had some of the production phases already prepared when it started and that WA may have another pace, I don't know.

Not sure if they had any other campaigns before that I am not aware but I think Miniwargaming was getting their miniatures produced in other materials other than HIPS (I think they were using PVC) and likely were ordering them from a company with a smaller time to market (there are several companies that focus on supporting manufacturing processes for crowdfunding campaigns).
What I meant is that with this campaign while in theory it would feasible to do everything in that time window, we have potentially 8 kits of miniatures to produce in HIPS, as well as a few other sprues for bases, which if you check the current offering from Wargames Atlantic is like 1/4 of the number of available kits in their range and while some of the activities can be performed in parallel, there are things like the mould tooling and the production of the sprues that are likely to be a bottleneck based on their previous releases.

Um I see. We'll see then, alltho while I have no problem in waiting if the shipping dates are correct, I can totally understand why others would have issues with having their money on a long project.

Also, looks like WA has listened and now the boxes on the packs can be chosen freely!
https://gamefound.com/projects/mwg--wargames-atlantic/the-damned#/section/rewards/reward-product-38594

Prices are still the same, more expensive than current WA kits, but is nice to feel heard

Also, I still consider weird how the outriders were pushed to stretch goals while the command squad was put on the basic pack, having in mind that their sprue looks like isn't still fully planned out, on the contrary as the outriders.

Also, I think we won't have more previews until the crowdfunding starts

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If you're planning to back (or just think you might) remember to follow the gamefound campaign by clicking the button on the preview page

https://gamefound.com/projects/mwg--wargames-atlantic/the-damned

as that means WGA will give you an extra free infantry sprue when you back the project

Well, that was at least enough to get me to follow the project and probably back it.

If outriders are unlocked and become available in the 100 buck level and shipping is free like on their website I'll probably go in for at least 3 boxes of something.

I think we may be getting more info on the hounds this monday or wednesday, since is the only not-unveiled kit. Ans most probably is actual doggies, since WA said a heavy infantry kit is a possibility for later stretch goals.

So, rn if you follow and back it up up to 5 kits you get for free:
-6 infantry soldiers
-A 25mm base sprue
-A 25x50mm base sprue
-A sprue of outiders
-A sprue of the hounds

I guess we might get more free stuff once the stretch goals are unlocked (alltho, I think the first ones will probably be completed on minute 1 since there are already like 808 people following in GameFound. Granted, a huge proportion might not buy it all, but the goals are humble enough for a quick fullfillment)

Also, just read on facebook that the campaign is going to last 2 weeks, but Gamefound uses to let you buy later pledges (as has happened with Ravaged star)

I don't think we've seen the artillery either

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't think we've seen the artillery either

Neither the tank, but I was talking about minis directly featured on the crowdfunding. I think we'll only get those 2 once the campaign launches

 Shadow Walker wrote:
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That looks like the most uninspired generic-sci-fi product I've seen from WA. Almost everything they make is packed with character, even if I don't always like their design choices. But that just seems bland.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
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That looks like the most uninspired generic-sci-fi product I've seen from WA. Almost everything they make is packed with character, even if I don't always like their design choices. But that just seems bland.

The hands have three fingers. It might be that space frog in power armor, or some other kind of alien/mutant. I consider that characterful.

Saw this in the comments section of the Gamefound preview page:

USER COMMENT:
"Any chance of adding a couple of the existing boxes like the cannon fodder as an add-on ?
(oh ... and female variants of 'the damned' would be soo cool"

Charlie-WargamesAtlantic
We did consider having existing product available as add ons and is definitely something we could do.
Female Damned Infantry you say?…
Keep your eyes peeled for updates and future stretch goals.

I would probably look at the 5 box deal if female multipart figs get unlocked.

 Eilif wrote:
Well, that was at least enough to get me to follow the project and probably back it.

If outriders are unlocked and become available in the 100 buck level and shipping is free like on their website I'll probably go in for at least 3 boxes of something.

I asked about shipping, and they were worryingly coy. Since these boxes regularly have volume discount and free shipping, we'd be basically paying a premium to wait a year.

I'm very much intrigued, but I've got other things I can drop that money on.

Welp, they've updated the stretch goals to cover the 8 kits (alltho the 400 € is odd, since is an upgrade sprue for vehicles, instead of a proper vehicle?)

They've also put a free sprues section indicating which free stuff can you receive. Most interesting thing are the rewards for buyers of 10 or more boxes, that include:

-Female infantry (there's a typo there)
-Mutation sprue
-Heavy infantry
-Plastic terrain
-Power armour (¿?)

Atm none of this is included yet on stretch goals, but it's easy to supose that a lot of those are going to be reached up very quick seeing that the campaign 1000 followers (to compare, Ravaged Star had 4000 backers after 7 months)

Here's hoping for details on the "Hounds" kit today. I don't see what it has to so difficult for them to confirm if it's actual canines or a human kit called Hounds.

So as it stands, you have to buy 10 boxes to get about 1 box worth of sprues free, and probably pay shipping on top of it? The math will check out more when we see exactly how big a mutation sprue is or how many sprues compose a box of Heavy Infantry etc. etc. but I'm still struggling to see why to buy in now and not order local later.

KipCujo wrote:
So as it stands, you have to buy 10 boxes to get about 1 box worth of sprues free, and probably pay shipping on top of it? The math will check out more when we see exactly how big a mutation sprue is or how many sprues compose a box of Heavy Infantry etc. etc. but I'm still struggling to see why to buy in now and not order local later.

Tbf WA has free shipping after 50 bucks, which all the packs surpass.

Possibly stupid question, but I could not find it quickly: is payment on Gamefound possible by PayPal, or do I need a credit card?

Garrac wrote:

KipCujo wrote:
So as it stands, you have to buy 10 boxes to get about 1 box worth of sprues free, and probably pay shipping on top of it? The math will check out more when we see exactly how big a mutation sprue is or how many sprues compose a box of Heavy Infantry etc. etc. but I'm still struggling to see why to buy in now and not order local later.

Tbf WA has free shipping after 50 bucks, which all the packs surpass.

Sure, then why not just simply say as much when asked? Surely advertising free shipping would be great marketing rather than being coy like with Polonius.

Polonius wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
Well, that was at least enough to get me to follow the project and probably back it.

If outriders are unlocked and become available in the 100 buck level and shipping is free like on their website I'll probably go in for at least 3 boxes of something.

I asked about shipping, and they were worryingly coy. Since these boxes regularly have volume discount and free shipping, we'd be basically paying a premium to wait a year.

I'm very much intrigued, but I've got other things I can drop that money on.

 Darnok wrote:
Possibly stupid question, but I could not find it quickly: is payment on Gamefound possible by PayPal, or do I need a credit card?

Debit or Credit card only. If they use the Gamefound PM same would apply

https://help.gamefound.com/article/213-what-payment-methods-are-accepted-in-crowdfunding

KipCujo wrote:

Sure, then why not just simply say as much when asked? Surely advertising free shipping would be great marketing rather than being coy like with Polonius.

I wonder if the person running their Facebook realizing that their being coy is starting to border on trolly. I sure don't want WGA to start taking social media engagement tips from Will Shick at AMG.

We have a new explanation of freebies posted.

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/1000-followers-for-the-damned-want-free-sprues

Regarding costs per box:





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 legionaires wrote:

KipCujo wrote:

Sure, then why not just simply say as much when asked? Surely advertising free shipping would be great marketing rather than being coy like with Polonius.

I wonder if the person running their Facebook realizing that their being coy is starting to border on trolly. I sure don't want WGA to start taking social media engagement tips from Will Shick at AMG.

We're not trying to be coy. As written above, shipping deals/costs will be presented soon.

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:
We're not trying to be coy. As written above, shipping deals/costs will be presented soon.

I was just commenting on so other responses overall, so glad to hear. It might just be something ticked off those regional phrases that don't have the same meaning elsewhere.

Back on topic, thanks for posting the link on liking the campaign today.

Indeed, will reserve further comment until all the numbers are released.

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:
We have a new explanation of freebies posted.

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/1000-followers-for-the-damned-want-free-sprues

Regarding costs per box:

Max. The reasoning for Reptilian overlords or least what was stated is "Its another company doing it and they set the price". Are you saying the Damned are not a "Wargames Atlantic" product and the "partners" are setting the price? Or is this the new pricing scheme that is coming? The comment quoted above talks about inflation and cost increases but didnt Hudson make a big statement that costs really went up like $.03 a year or so back? And "prices will be announced for shipping" Makes it sound like shipping will be another charge, which while reasonable in the grand scheme... you guys do have free shipping at retail. I am in the "wait and see" camp... but I think this feels like a company policy change with increased prices to see if the market will "bear it". Still a fan... and hope I am wrong