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I have a question, are the arms for the oorah keyed to specific bodies? If so, which arm numbers go to which body?
The reason I ask is I started assembling some last night and was seeing gaps where the arm meets the webbing that seem wider than on the other wargames Atlantic kits I've built. So I assume I have made a mistake.
Having recently assembled some myself, there does seem to be a few different combos per torso, just gotta dry fit every arm. Certain arms that cause gaps on one weapon may not on another.
The Space Nam figures do not do much for me, except maybe to make some 28mm Fallout style supermutants. But I can see how they might be very useful to others. I like the Ooh-rah more than I was expecting but more as Space Cops than Space Marines.
Smokestack wrote: Got my ogres today. 5 boxes. They are a little smaller than I was hoping for, but still nice. Here is a pic of one I quickly put together on break... Also pictured, a Mantic ogre, A GW ogre, a GW special ogre (forgot his name) and a resin Ogre I got on Etsy.
Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
The comparison between the two companies is what makes it relevant here or are we unable to say that the plasma guns of the raumjagers are similar to those of GW's cadians, because GW is a different company?
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On a different note, the Space Nam are certainly large compared to most 28mm scale human sized soldiers, but the details seem to be rather nice.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
The comparison between the two companies is what makes it relevant here or are we unable to say that the plasma guns of the raumjagers are similar to those of GW's cadians, because GW is a different company?
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On a different note, the Space Nam are certainly large compared to most 28mm scale human sized soldiers, but the details seem to be rather nice.
No, you are fine. I was clarifying as we had been misidentified early on in the last thread.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
The comparison between the two companies is what makes it relevant here or are we unable to say that the plasma guns of the raumjagers are similar to those of GW's cadians, because GW is a different company?
--
On a different note, the Space Nam are certainly large compared to most 28mm scale human sized soldiers, but the details seem to be rather nice.
No, you are fine. I was clarifying as we had been misidentified early on in the last thread.
I was seeking to point out the similarities as well as the differences. I must admit to being a curious person.
So, here's a scale shot of a leaping harvester , a landskneckt ogre, and a rough conversion I made with a hobby knife and a poor lizardman transplant donor.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
And Eureka did it like 20 years ago with the '100 club' etc, iirc. Taking preorders to gauge interest isn't a new idea, even in miniatures. S&S still do it as well I think.
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Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
And Eureka did it like 20 years ago with the '100 club' etc, iirc. Taking preorders to gauge interest isn't a new idea, even in miniatures. S&S still do it as well I think.
And that is news to me as well. I was unaware Eureka did it 20 years ago. However my point was not that “preorders are new or not”, I was more pointing to the specific number of 1000. Several people have speculated on what connections may exist between the now out of business Wargames Factory and Wargames Atlantic. It has been established that they are different companies with different CEOs/managers but speculation remains.
Also, some folks interpreted the original Vox Populi program to require 1000 votes before production would commence, such as it appears was the case with Wargames Factory from that wiki entry. WGA has subsequently clarified and said 1000 votes just put it to the head of the production line and all items announced as in development were scheduled to be eventually produced. At least that is how I currently understand it. If I am wrong it would be great for Wargames Atlantic to clarify.
Hence my post and why I felt it was relevant to post in this thread. The pay for votes Vox Populi has been contentious. I would like to see some of the unease about it reduced.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
And Eureka did it like 20 years ago with the '100 club' etc, iirc. Taking preorders to gauge interest isn't a new idea, even in miniatures. S&S still do it as well I think.
And that is news to me as well. I was unaware Eureka did it 20 years ago. However my point was not that “preorders are new or not”, I was more pointing to the specific number of 1000. Several people have speculated on what connections may exist between the now out of business Wargames Factory and Wargames Atlantic. It has been established that they are different companies with different CEOs/managers but speculation remains.
Also, some folks interpreted the original Vox Populi program to require 1000 votes before production would commence, such as it appears was the case with Wargames Factory from that wiki entry. WGA has subsequently clarified and said 1000 votes just put it to the head of the production line and all items announced as in development were scheduled to be eventually produced. At least that is how I currently understand it. If I am wrong it would be great for Wargames Atlantic to clarify.
Hence my post and why I felt it was relevant to post in this thread. The pay for votes Vox Populi has been contentious. I would like to see some of the unease about it reduced.
How is there speculation? Wargames Atlantic is not Wargames Factory. They are different companies, run by different people.
I think it is probably best to just ignore the hot conspiracy takes that amount to "ThEy ChOsE tHe SaMe NuMbEr Of VoTeS aS oThEr CoMpAnY!!!"
Unlike Wargames Factory, Wargames Atlantic are shipping product on the regular, pretty transparent about where sets are in production timeline, not spinning everything they do as "REVOLUTIONARY!!" and not running crowd funding campaigns.
In a short amount of time Wargames Atlantic already has an impressively deep catalogue (much larger than Wargames Factory ever was) and has knocked it out of the park on many releases. In addition there is buckets of evidence from reliable posters and business filings etc. that they are different companies.
Gallahad wrote: I think it is probably best to just ignore the hot conspiracy takes that amount to "ThEy ChOsE tHe SaMe NuMbEr Of VoTeS aS oThEr CoMpAnY!!!"
Unlike Wargames Factory, Wargames Atlantic are shipping product on the regular, pretty transparent about where sets are in production timeline, not spinning everything they do as "REVOLUTIONARY!!" and not running crowd funding campaigns.
In a short amount of time Wargames Atlantic already has an impressively deep catalogue (much larger than Wargames Factory ever was) and has knocked it out of the park on many releases. In addition there is buckets of evidence from reliable posters and business filings etc. that they are different companies.
Gallahad, why are you writing in that strange form of mixed capitals text? Are you trying to imply something? What exactly would that be?
That seems to be as deep, if not deeper, catalog than WGA at 38 (including the bases set and the loose accessory sprue) unless I am missing something. Or are you including the STL side of things? I mention it because it was something I learned reading that wiki. I had not realized WGF had made so many kits.
I realize that evidence dug up by other people has already established WGF and WGA are different companies but when I try to promote WGA it is often brought up by people in conversation that they wonder about the similarities between the appearance of the companies and products. I seem to recall Mark Mondragon (aka Nosegoblin) said here on Dakka Dakka in the earlier WGA news and rumor thread at one point that WGA is neither WGF nor Dreamforge but merely used some of the same artists.
Yet some folks want to know more about what, if any, connections exist between WGA and both WGF and Dreamforge. Or if WGA is some sort of evolution of what was formerly WGF. Sort of like how Fallout has been made by an evolution of companies and original designers who worked for various different companies in that evolution.
Think of it as rumor control. Putting rumors to bed and dispelling concerns. I have broadly promoted WGA and been very active on their forum. I want to see WGA do well and there is plenty of evidence of that. I believe the best way to deal with rumors or concerns is to dispel them with more than just “we are different companies”, such as explaining why specific similarities exist.
For those concerned about a possible connection to Mark Mondragon, I would point out Dreamforge releasing their Grav Stug independently rather than through WGA and Only Games (MMF) as evidence of some distance between him and WGA.
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Gallahad wrote: I think it is probably best to just ignore the hot conspiracy takes that amount to "ThEy ChOsE tHe SaMe NuMbEr Of VoTeS aS oThEr CoMpAnY!!!"
Unlike Wargames Factory, Wargames Atlantic are shipping product on the regular, pretty transparent about where sets are in production timeline, not spinning everything they do as "REVOLUTIONARY!!" and not running crowd funding campaigns.
In a short amount of time Wargames Atlantic already has an impressively deep catalogue (much larger than Wargames Factory ever was) and has knocked it out of the park on many releases. In addition there is buckets of evidence from reliable posters and business filings etc. that they are different companies.
Gallahad, why are you writing in that strange form of mixed capitals text? Are you trying to imply something? What exactly would that be?
That seems to be as deep, if not deeper, catalog than WGA at 38 (including the bases set and the loose accessory sprue) unless I am missing something. Or are you including the STL side of things? I mention it because it was something I learned reading that wiki. I had not realized WGF had made so many kits.
I realize that evidence dug up by other people has already established WGF and WGA are different companies but when I try to promote WGA it is often brought up by people in conversation that they wonder about the similarities between the appearance of the companies and products. I seem to recall Mark Mondragon (aka Nosegoblin) said here on Dakka Dakka in the earlier WGA news and rumor thread at one point that WGA is neither WGF nor Dreamforge but merely used some of the same artists.
Yet some folks want to know more about what, if any, connections exist between WGA and both WGF and Dreamforge. Or if WGA is some sort of evolution of what was formerly WGF. Sort of like how Fallout has been made by an evolution of companies and original designers who worked for various different companies in that evolution.
Think of it as rumor control. Putting rumors to bed and dispelling concerns. I have broadly promoted WGA and been very active on their forum. I want to see WGA do well and there is plenty of evidence of that. I believe the best way to deal with rumors or concerns is to dispel them with more than just “we are different companies”, such as explaining why specific similarities exist.
For those concerned about a possible connection to Mark Mondragon, I would point out Dreamforge releasing their Grav Stug independently rather than through WGA and Only Games (MMF) as evidence of some distance between him and WGA.
The alternating caps was used to.imply the take was low IQ and or deranged.
You are dispelling no rumors. YOU started the rumor. You came into the thread with the wacky "Did you know they also picked the number 1000! Same as WGF! How interesting... " You started the rumor bud. And you won't stop mentioning it.
You got me on the number of kits though. I don't read the WGF wiki and was just going off memory.
Thankfully we both agree that Wargames Atlantic is great and we both hope they release many more kits.
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Gallahad wrote: I think it is probably best to just ignore the hot conspiracy takes that amount to "ThEy ChOsE tHe SaMe NuMbEr Of VoTeS aS oThEr CoMpAnY!!!"
That seems to be as deep, if not deeper, catalog than WGA at 38 (including the bases set and the loose accessory sprue) unless I am missing something. Or are you including the STL side of things? I mention it because it was something I learned reading that wiki. I had not realized WGF had made so many kits.
I realize that evidence dug up by other people has already established WGF and WGA are different companies but when I try to promote WGA it is often brought up by people in conversation that they wonder about the similarities between the appearance of the companies and products. I seem to recall Mark Mondragon (aka Nosegoblin) said here on Dakka Dakka in the earlier WGA news and rumor thread at one point that WGA is neither WGF nor Dreamforge but merely used some of the same artists.
Yet some folks want to know more about what, if any, connections exist between WGA and both WGF and Dreamforge. Or if WGA is some sort of evolution of what was formerly WGF. Sort of like how Fallout has been made by an evolution of companies and original designers who worked for various different companies in that evolution.
Think of it as rumor control. Putting rumors to bed and dispelling concerns. I have broadly promoted WGA and been very active on their forum. I want to see WGA do well and there is plenty of evidence of that. I believe the best way to deal with rumors or concerns is to dispel them with more than just “we are different companies”, such as explaining why specific similarities exist.
WGA has nothing to do with WGF.
WGF started under another owner (union league days) who ran into some issues I will not cover here... They then were taken over by the tool maker in China, the same folks I partnered with to get the kick-starter done. WGF then later decided to get out of mini's to do more profitable ventures, sold IP and molds to another company (not WGA) and that was the end of WGF.
WGA is run by a totally unrelated person. I license my kits to WGA for production and he primarily makes his own line of kits... Given the limited time of WGA in this space, he is doing stellar work in quantity and quality.
Thats the skinny...
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Any resemblance of this post to written English is purely coincidental.
That does not seem a very gallant way of expressing your point Gallahad. To be clear, I did not start the rumors. In fact I pointed out that the two programs may appear similar on the surface but are in fact different. Unless WGA corrects me.
However are right, I am not dispelling the rumor, I am seeking for people with information who can.
Mark, thank you for shedding some light to help explain what has transpired. That hopefully does help dispel the rumor. As they say, knowing is half the battle.
I take it that other company the Chinese company sold designs to will be Warlord Games.
WGF made some good designs and I am glad to see the designs live on. Wargames Atlantic makes some good designs and I hope they make many more, for a very long time.
Edit: Let me also add, having clarity on who people are (and their past business projects) when making business decisions is essential to good decision making.
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