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I just thought of another group that might really be into the IFV, the 28/32mm Gaslands players.

 Eilif wrote:
In!
Almost pulled out when they required me to pick which sets as at least one of the ones I want isn't unlocked yet. However, the site says:
'Your actual payment will be collected if the campaign reaches its goal when it ends. Until then you can freely change or withdraw your pledge.'
So I went ahead.

I also noticed that Gamefound allow multiple payments instead of one lump sum - definitely a good idea for when additional sets get unlocked and I considering increasing my pledge size, so it doesn't hit my card all at once.

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 McDougall Designs wrote:

 legionaires wrote:

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 legionaires wrote:

 Nicky J wrote:
Well, the vehicle is quite underwhelming IMO, not sure exactly what i was expecting, but it wasn't this:

Yeah, same. I was expecting a proper tank, even if it was really boxy.

Why would you expect a battle tank first over an infantry fighting vehicle, when the infantry are one of the first kits unlocked?

It stood to reason we were getting an APC/IFV first.

I work in a job field where exact words matter. The word tank was used, and that has a very specific implication. A wheeled IFV is just something different. Hence why I expected a tank.

Respectfully:

1. This is not your work, and you shouldn't hold Wargames Atlantic to such a stringent vocabulary policy.

2. The secondary definition of the word "tank" is

a heavy armoured fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.

Which this vehicle fulfills except for the tracked part.

You asked for a reason and I responded. I'm not understanding why my disappointment seems to upset you. There have been several things about this campaign that I have not been fond of but I'm still likely to back. I'm not pulling a Peter James and complaining I'm boycotting the company until I get "what I want"

You have not upset me, I apologize for any allusions in that regard.

Thank you for the clarification.

And yea, Peter took things a little far.

I am really into this release, BUT.....

.... I never back online pre-orders like this. If it is not at retail it doesn't exist yet as far as I am concerned. Just a personal preference.

I mean, they need sales after the campaign anyway, so I guess it works out that not everyone jumps onto the kickstarter (Or whatever) campaign.

... ok, I'm gonna back this, IF YOU INSIST

 Easy E wrote:
I am really into this release, BUT.....

.... I never back online pre-orders like this. If it is not at retail it doesn't exist yet as far as I am concerned. Just a personal preference.

I mean, they need sales after the campaign anyway, so I guess it works out that not everyone jumps onto the kickstarter (Or whatever) campaign.

No shame there. Do whatever you're comfortable with. The only advantages of crowdfunding tend to be cheaper cost, freebies and -depending on the campaign- the ability of a massive funding to make more products available at once.

For campaigns where the retail savings isn't massive and the product goals are likely to be reached not jumping in probably won't change much. For a project like this I'll be curious to see if they can reach all their stated goals if folks hang back waiting for retail.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
In!
Almost pulled out when they required me to pick which sets as at least one of the ones I want isn't unlocked yet. However, the site says:
'Your actual payment will be collected if the campaign reaches its goal when it ends. Until then you can freely change or withdraw your pledge.'
So I went ahead.

I also noticed that Gamefound allow multiple payments instead of one lump sum - definitely a good idea for when additional sets get unlocked and I considering increasing my pledge size, so it doesn't hit my card all at once.

Okay to me that is HUGE. Being able to spread the financial pain out a bit means I'm more likely to make a bigger overall pledge.

Also, btw, some folks are waiting for this to come to LGS for the 15-20% discount, but... that discount, of 15%, is already applied on the pledges. So, the saving isn't very far off (unless your shop does bigger discounts on Wargames Atlantic stuff)

(Also, discounts become way bigger on bigger pledges, plus the freebies)

I like the look of the truck (and it is a truck, not a tank even with a loose definition of the word). Main criticism is that the wheel arches look a bit cramped and the tire tread seems kind of weird. Still, by the standards of stuff produced by other companies, it's pretty realistic.
Grill over the windows is a good way of avoiding having to do transparent bits. Looks like it will be a pain to paint the cab interior though. Hopefully there will be a way to assemble it in two pieces which clip together.

As far as I can tell, in that configuration it's meant to be a substitute for the Aurox, so I guess this is very much intended for the 30k Imperialis Militia market and is avoiding direct competition with GW plastic kits. Hopefully there will be a lot of different configurations (some possibly locked behind stretch goals) so that it can work as a taurox, goliath, and maybe even chimera, hellhound, etc.

It should also appeal to ork players as a variant trukk.


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The only thing that I'm totally underwhelmed by in this campaign is the bases. They would look so much better with Warmachine (rounded) or Warhammer (angled) style rims.

I quite like it, and i'll get one if it unlocks (although i'd hoped for a tank)

it will fit in well with my (wheel conversion) Taurox

I have to disagree, I am quite Whelmed by this armored car. It would fit in the mean streets of the near future, the post apocalypse battlefields of WWIII or the grim darkness of the far future.

That being said, no, it is not in any way a tank.

ask and ye shall receive I suppose!

just posted on the WA facebook.

The Terrae Motus ("Earthquake") is going to be able to be configured in a variety of ways. At it's base it's an open top APC. It can be up-armored as an APC with an HMG mount or totally enclosed with various turret options (that we can add to add to as we unlock more stretch goals). Someone mentioned a flat bed version which is a really interesting idea! We'll take a look at that!

What you're seeing above is just the base armored APC version of the Earthquake. We have a few concepts we're working with to build it in other versions (see below) and add turrets to the armored version. We're going to continue to think up ways to design it to make it even more versatile!

more concepts, it's apparently very much a WIP

Twin autocannon with ROWS-style turret looks good and should serve well as a Taurox or Goliath.
Flame unit looks a bit top-heavy (but only a little bit) and needs another gun (automatic grenade launcher / heavy bolter) to serve as a Hellhound (or a machine gun and some kind of drill / roller / dozer blade for a Goliath Rockgrinder). Additional gun would probably have to be mounted in the cab / on the bonnet (hood) which could look awkward.
Heavy laser just seems horribly proportioned. Not clear if it is meant to be an anti-personnel weapon (in which case the gun is far too large) or more of a 'mobile gun' anti-armour / fortification deal, in which case the turret needs to be larger (probably best as an oscillating turret with a big power unit hanging off the back). Not sure either option would be a good match for anything in 30/40k (maybe a Chimera if it had another gun).

As it's possible to have an open back compartment, shown in the first image above, would it be possible to mount some kind of small artillery/rocket launcher/anti air gun in the back? That would sell me on the kit.

blech I would rather not have these serve as some sort of not-Chimera. please, no dumb hull-mounted weapons.

really digging the not-real-world Panhard AML or even Humvee style of "one chassis, multiple uses".

I'm frustrated. I like just about everything in the release. I already have a sizeable chaos cultist army, but ya know. I can take more, and I really like the APC.

Went to pledge for 5 boxes, but the slightly expensive (£25.50 a box) cost jumped to very expensive (over £30 a box) once VAT was added. I am guessing these will be a little more than the usual WGA price £25/box at retail release but... this still doesn't seem like a great deal any more.

Vehicle is decent enough! I think the design would be significantly elevated with higher ground clearance and larger engine compartment. For me, there's a big disconnect in the shape language between the first quarter of the vehicle and the last three quarters. The only configuration that works for me is the unarmored APC, all the others look like a coupe engine powering a box truck. The wheels in front profile are also awfully narrow, would love to see those widened.

I hope this vehicle does well so that WGA is encouraged to do more "generic" plastic vehicles in the future.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I'm frustrated. I like just about everything in the release. I already have a sizeable chaos cultist army, but ya know. I can take more, and I really like the APC.

Went to pledge for 5 boxes, but the slightly expensive (£25.50 a box) cost jumped to very expensive (over £30 a box) once VAT was added. I am guessing these will be a little more than the usual WGA price £25/box at retail release but... this still doesn't seem like a great deal any more.

Vat and taxes in general are a pistol, no matter which way you slice it.

The price seems to be based on US prices with a discount applied. It would make sense that VAT would eat that.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


female damned preview

Those look amazing. I will definitely be getting some when the reach the store for normal sales. The crowd funding prices are a bit much for me and I really just want these figures.

 makeitorky wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


female damned preview

Those look amazing. I will definitely be getting some when the reach the store for normal sales. The crowd funding prices are a bit much for me and I really just want these figures.

You are going to be paying more per figure at retail prices

You have to buy at least 5 boxes to beat retail price (at least where I can reliably buy from for 20% off), and half the freebie sprues at that level are bases. It's just not as compelling as I'd like it to be for a pre-order campaign for me and presumably those of us only after a handful of boxes. I'm rooting for the campaign though!

 McDougall Designs wrote:

Vat and taxes in general are a pistol, no matter which way you slice it.

The price seems to be based on US prices with a discount applied. It would make sense that VAT would eat that.

If they're shipping from the UK hub to the UK, which they say they are, it'd make sense for UK crowdfunding prices to be based on a discount from UK retail prices, rather than a slight increase.

In the UK, the customer pays VAT but we never really notice it expect on imports -- it's baked into the price. If you look at the WGA website and change currency to £, there's no mention of VAT as a separate amount. You're paying it, sure, but it's already factored in to the £25/box retail price.

An IFV makes sense, although I'm surprised by the lack of treads. Also, I was expecting light scout vehicles. Still, that's not important to me, as I'm not interested in vehicles anyway. The mutant parts and the female troopers are of some interest.

Edit: A vehicle like the US M3 half-track would also be good. Perhaps with the front wheel replaced by smaller treads for a tighter turn radius. (Not that's important in a minis game, but it's a design justification.)

$39.95 a box (assumed retail for these) is probably going to be £30 (rather than the current £25 for the existing WGA kits)

so the 5 box deal is pretty much the retail price for the UK (but there are the free stretch goals which sweetens things a bit and stand against online discounters)

but if the project doesn't fund i can't see more than the basic infantry being done any time soon (no more than a couple a year at best) so hopefully folk will see it's still beneficial to back if they actually want a whole army to release any time soon

 judgedoug wrote:
blech I would rather not have these serve as some sort of not-Chimera. please, no dumb hull-mounted weapons.

really digging the not-real-world Panhard AML or even Humvee style of "one chassis, multiple uses".

I think a hull mounted weapon would look less-cool, but including one would be a really smart move for them if going for the GW crowd. However, there's no reason it couldn't be a modular replacement for the passenger side window. Something you can easily add or leave off depending on your needs. That sort of sweet spot for 40k players (probably the majority of the pledgers) but also for those of us who either don't care about 40k or don't need another 40k army.

Pledged for 5 kits

Seems like, as WA told, shipping from 50 bucks is free, but VAT isn't included on the initial pledges, but put up later. So my pledge went from 146 euros to 177 with VAT applied

Also, there's the option to partition your pledge, but only if you pledge for more than 200 bucks (I may end up doing it, not a priority rn)

The cost goes once the campaign ends on the 23th of June, alltho I suspect this is going for more time since it has got a lot of success in a short time, as it has already funded a 71% of the project

So, the basic 4 kits funding is fairly guaranteed, the interesting question now is how far will it come, and if it will come as far as the Ravaged Star crowdfunding (also, please WA show us more on the command squad! We still haven't seen a lot of parts, lol)

My pledges will be (you can edit them while the campaign is going on: Brutes, command squad, artillery, riders and female infantry. So, I'm already begging for the stretch goals to be unlocked lol

A half track option would be cool too

Garrac wrote:
Pledged for 5 kits... My pledges will be (you can edit them while the campaign is going on: Brutes, command squad, artillery, riders and female infantry. So, I'm already begging for the stretch goals to be unlocked lol

Same but probably wont do the artillery... But if I up to 10 boxes...

Command
Brutes
Riders
either 1 box of male infantry or the armored car
6 boxes of females

Will revisit as things unlock or dont unlock...

 McDougall Designs wrote:

Respectfully:

1. This is not your work, and you shouldn't hold Wargames Atlantic to such a stringent vocabulary policy.

2. The secondary definition of the word "tank" is

a heavy armoured fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.

Which this vehicle fulfills except for the tracked part.

Look, I know you're in business with WA, so I get your zeal, but I've been around the internet a long time, and when you start copying dictionary definitions into your posts, you're in a flamewar. You might be polite about it, but you're way off the point.

That's, uh, not a tank. We know it's not. It's more interesting than a tank, and might offer something new to the hobby, so I'm not mad. But it's not a tank. Now, stuff obviously changes in crowdfunding stretch goals (and this is a real stretch goal, not a fake hype builder), so there's a limit to how upset anybody can get.




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James12345 wrote:
A half track option would be cool too

Halftracks are the zeppelins of Dieslepunk.