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Post by: Black Nexus
The first shipment to backers doesn't include anything that isn't already in the stores
this isn't correct... stores aren't getting the MVPs yet, they don't get the signed stuff, the acrylic pitches, the strike inserts, the exclusive counters etc etc. all of these are being shipped in the first batch.
and you were warned you might see it on a shelf before it arrived they told us it all shipped at the same time. the update is pretty clear about it...
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Post by: CptJake
 Black Nexus wrote:The first shipment to backers doesn't include anything that isn't already in the stores
this isn't correct... stores aren't getting the MVPs yet, they don't get the signed stuff, the acrylic pitches, the strike inserts, the exclusive counters etc etc. all of these are being shipped in the first batch.
and you were warned you might see it on a shelf before it arrived they told us it all shipped at the same time. the update is pretty clear about it...
Yep.
 As I said, you may be able to get it now, but without the extras. Add in all the other goodies which ship later and in my opinion the Kickstarter package was the way to go, even if it is a couple weeks later on the initial delivery.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Please lets non turn this into another zombiecide whine fest! Please!
Personally the ks work out faster for me anyway seeing as the is not wargaming store on this island so I have to order everything online already. 
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Post by: Krinsath
Hmmmmm.
1) Get vanilla box set at retail price on Monday.
2) Wait until Wednesday to get the box, most of the Season 1 MVPs (and many the stores won't see for a while; the reason the KS shipment wasn't first was waiting for them), upgraded boards, signed extras and all paid for at essentially wholesale prices when more of the game's models are released.
Yes, clearly the first option is MUCH smarter... 
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Post by: Zweischneid
Black Nexus wrote:The first shipment to backers doesn't include anything that isn't already in the stores
this isn't correct... stores aren't getting the MVPs yet, they don't get the signed stuff, the acrylic pitches, the strike inserts, the exclusive counters etc etc. all of these are being shipped in the first batch.
and you were warned you might see it on a shelf before it arrived they told us it all shipped at the same time. the update is pretty clear about it...
Just because the update is clear doesn't mean it isn't disc respectful to the people who put their money up front to fund the production of the game in the first place.
But they already have the backer's money, so I guess Mantic just thought they can go  themselves, while it is out courting those who haven't spend cash yet.
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Post by: Commander Cain
 Zweischneid wrote:
Just because the update is clear doesn't mean it isn't disrespectful to the people who put their money up front to fund the production of the game in the first place.
But they already have the backer's money, so I guess Mantic just thought they can go themselves, while it is out courting those who haven't spent cash yet.
Come on now, it has been said already, the only reason we don't have the set sent already is because of the extras we are getting! By all means buy a copy from a store and sell your kickstarter one but the rest of us can wait a week to get ours. Thanks!
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Post by: Krinsath
Zweischneid wrote:
Just because the update is clear doesn't mean it isn't disc respectful to the people who put their money up front to fund the production of the game in the first place.
But they already have the backer's money, so I guess Mantic just thought they can go themselves, while it is out courting those who haven't spend cash yet.
Because a board game can clearly be created in the quantity of about 3000 units and received from suppliers in two months; this is a completely realistic and possible scenario. Or, it's more likely that the core Dreadball set has actually been in production for much longer meaning the game was not funded through the KickStarter so much as the further items in the range.
Additionally, the stores don't pay money for the product they sell? Distributors aren't vital business partners to Mantic? Both of those parts of the supply chain weren't directly screwed by the loss of 2600 customers who bought at prices the stores/distributors couldn't possibly compete with? Think there might be a few bridges they'd like to keep from completely burning down there? Mantic honored their commitments to stores who had signed up to host events, which is no less of a commitment than any KS backer when you consider shelf space and staff labor, and to their distributors.
If Mantic needed us to fund the initial set, hadn't said anything before the boxes started showing up at stores and were indeed the same boxes as the backers were being sent, your position would be entirely justified. Given that exactly none of those things are actually true, you can see why folks are not lining up alongside you.
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Post by: Commander Cain
^ Case closed. 
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Post by: ironicsilence
I havent been followed this thread at all, or following the updates on the kickstarter...when should I be expecting all the goodies to arrive?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Orders for the basic box started shipping last week
Orders for Striker should be going out this week (some MVPs were being waited on)
order was to begin with AUS, then USA finally EU to ensure they hit royal mail Xmas Shipping dates
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Post by: ironicsilence
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Orders for the basic box started shipping last week
Orders for Striker should be going out this week (some MVPs were being waited on)
order was to begin with AUS, then USA finally EU to ensure they hit royal mail Xmas Shipping dates
Outstanding, so as I'm in the US would I be crazy for thinking I should get stuff next week?
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Post by: Krinsath
 ironicsilence wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Orders for the basic box started shipping last week
Orders for Striker should be going out this week (some MVPs were being waited on)
order was to begin with AUS, then USA finally EU to ensure they hit royal mail Xmas Shipping dates
Outstanding, so as I'm in the US would I be crazy for thinking I should get stuff next week?
That'd be on the early part of the spectrum I'd imagine; shipping volume this time of year, customs and all that jazz. It COULD arrive next week, and I'd be quite happy for that to be the case, but I'd expect it more on the week of the 17th.
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Post by: ironicsilence
That would work too, as you can expect from my complete disregard for tracking progress, im not to bothered about waiting another week or two
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Post by: Zweischneid
 Krinsath wrote:
Because a board game can clearly be created in the quantity of about 3000 units and received from suppliers in two months; this is a completely realistic and possible scenario. Or, it's more likely that the core Dreadball set has actually been in production for much longer meaning the game was not funded through the KickStarter so much as the further items in the range.
So what you are saying is that Mantic pulled a Blue Table here and didn't actually fund the game through Kickstarter, but merely used Kickstarter as an advertising/pre-order tool for a game that would be releases either way?
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Post by: Lansirill
Zweischneid wrote: Krinsath wrote:
Because a board game can clearly be created in the quantity of about 3000 units and received from suppliers in two months; this is a completely realistic and possible scenario. Or, it's more likely that the core Dreadball set has actually been in production for much longer meaning the game was not funded through the KickStarter so much as the further items in the range.
So what you are saying is that Mantic pulled a Blue Table here and didn't actually fund the game through Kickstarter, but merely used Kickstarter as an advertising/pre-order tool for a game that would be releases either way?
That's what it looks like to me (on Mantic's part, not putting words into Krinsath's mouth.) Same as BTP. Same as Wyrd's RPG. Same as Amanda Palmer's album. Same as probably a bunch of other things, but I'm going to refrain from taking guesses on projects I didn't really follow. At best, the Kickstarter allowed Mantic to put out a better game sooner than they otherwise would have been able to.
Mantic takes on less risk by getting crowdfunding instead of taking out a loan or spending capital, backers take on the risk in exchange for a better deal on the end product. Seems reasonable to me.
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Post by: Krinsath
Zweischneid wrote:
So what you are saying is that Mantic pulled a Blue Table here and didn't actually fund the game through Kickstarter, but merely used Kickstarter as an advertising/pre-order tool for a game that would be releases either way?
Did the KickStarter fund Dreadball the game? Clearly not; Mantic was going to release Dreadball regardless of the KickStarter. The Dreadball that would have been released would have been very different, however. The Orx and Humans would have been the only plastic teams, Veer-myn and Forge Fathers (and one would imagine later teams) would have been metal. KickStarter allowed them to go fully plastic, as well as have the funding to ensure that the next two seasons will be plastic as well.
That's a major improvement for the customers brought about by the KickStarter. That was more the goal, to improve the product offering beyond what they could have reasonably done working with traditional investors. At the same time, they provided people willing to front the money to make that a reality a very steep discount. My pledge got me a 50% discount on retail, which is not a minor amount. Striker in particular was an excellent savings.
To say "we made Dreadball happen" is untrue. To say "we made DreadBall a categorically better product for everyone for at least the next year" is more accurate.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Dreadball the game was coming, (Box, 4 MVPs, 2 additional teams)
however the KS did everything else, all the other teams, all the MVPs, the hex bases, the t-shirts, the dice, the pitches, and the additional seasons
(while you could say they'd have been done eventually anyway if the KS had bombed I actually doubt it, that would have been a clear sign the game was not going anywhere and Mantic would have been crazy to invest any futher in it)
I think it's no different to funding an art instalation: are you saying an artist would not be inspired to create without KS cash ?
No the creation of the KS project itself would involve creative thought having already been done (and in fact it has to be done, you can't go give me cash to do 'art' and say nothing else,
KS money goes to the non-creative extras in art projects, materials, hire of rehersal space, permits, time to refine the idea, publicity, polishing the original idea etc
without the KS the creative spark has happened, the artist has an idea of where they want to go, but is the KS fails you dont get the sculpture in a park or whatever
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Post by: Black Nexus
looks like stuff shipped friday with everything else shipping this week.
I'm in the US would I be crazy for thinking I should get stuff next week?
possible.
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Post by: judgedoug
A lot of QQ'ing because Dreadball's promised delivery is December 2012 for some pledgers and January 2013 for others... and they're ALL shipping right NOW, including MVP's that we weren't supposed to get til next year? So _everyone_ is getting their stuff on time or early, with a pile of early extras?!
What am I missing?! Should Ronnie and Jake come around to each backer's backside and give each bum cheek a little peck? Seriously?!
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Post by: Lansirill
 judgedoug wrote:A lot of QQ'ing because Dreadball's promised delivery is December 2012 for some pledgers and January 2013 for others... and they're ALL shipping right NOW, including MVP's that we weren't supposed to get til next year? So _everyone_ is getting their stuff on time or early, with a pile of early extras?!
What am I missing?! Should Ronnie and Jake come around to each backer's backside and give each bum cheek a little peck? Seriously?!
Honestly? I think it's just a little good natured boredom-inspired trolling. As far as I can tell Mantic is running a pretty good project here, and if they launch another Kickstarter I'll almost certainly back it based on how this one was run. (Unless it's for something I don't care for, of course. I will not be backing the funding of an All-Nude Men of Mantic calendar.)
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Post by: judgedoug
 Lansirill wrote: judgedoug wrote:A lot of QQ'ing because Dreadball's promised delivery is December 2012 for some pledgers and January 2013 for others... and they're ALL shipping right NOW, including MVP's that we weren't supposed to get til next year? So _everyone_ is getting their stuff on time or early, with a pile of early extras?!
What am I missing?! Should Ronnie and Jake come around to each backer's backside and give each bum cheek a little peck? Seriously?!
Honestly? I think it's just a little good natured boredom-inspired trolling. As far as I can tell Mantic is running a pretty good project here, and if they launch another Kickstarter I'll almost certainly back it based on how this one was run. (Unless it's for something I don't care for, of course. I will not be backing the funding of an All-Nude Men of Mantic calendar.)
I dunno. Mantic is like the only wargame/miniatures KS delivering on time (and early actually), but there's a handful of some weirdly hateful people. Almost like they've been planted to sow dischord... dun dun dunnnn
I might not support that KS either, unless the stretch goals were piles and piles of free miniatures, which they seem to be pretty good at doing  Plus you know you want a pinup of Orcy in his Birthday Suit
Seriously though the Warpath KS is probably gonna be huge, especially if they wait until the last backer gets their last KoW stretch goal, on time or early. Mantic is riding high on a tidal wave of goodwill and great publicity right now. I can imagine a well designed Warpath KS with tons of great sculpts, and awesome concept drawings, will hit 2 mil easily. Even though I'm not a fan of the current incarnation of Warpath rules, I'll still pledge for some cool sci fi figures.
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Post by: Riquende
Today's green.
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Post by: sparkywtf
Not a fan of the head, but the rest is great
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Looks promising
(but needs a bit of cleanup, guess they may do that at the master stage)
The camera angle makes the arms look different widths (hopefully the camera)
The head is good, but pretty 'heroic' in scale, but will probably work better when painted
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Finally, a good female sculpt from Mantic.
(Assuming the arms are not different widths.)
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Post by: Commander Cain
Glad I bought a female team now!
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Post by: Krinsath
I think the arms are the same, it's just a really bad angle. If you look annoying closely at the right arm near the fist you can see black through there where the shoulder pad ends and get an idea of the actual thickness of the arm. Might not be exact, but it's close enough.
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Post by: nkelsch
Looks good to me! And I like the pink official colorscheme... I haven't figured out what color I want to do yet.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Sister looks like she's gonna de-res Wildcard on her lunch break.
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Post by: Azazelx
Zweischneid wrote:Saw the game in a store yesterday, but still haven't gotten my shipment.
Pretty lame.
I guess for future Mantic KS, it'll be safer to wait for the release in stores than back the campaign. You'll get your stuff faster
They should have just delayed everything and shipped it in January, yah?
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Post by: Pacific
To be honest, that's the kind of comment that post deserved.
Zweischneid - often you make really sensible, well thought out posts. But in the last couple of pages you sound like someone who not only fell out of bed the wrong side (then found his left slipper was in front of his right foot, and visa-versa) but also then got downstairs and discovered the coffee pot was empty!
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Post by: timetowaste85
Zweischneid: everyone else on here is pretty okay with the time tables, and the amount of stuff we're getting before everyone else. Is it possible you just misunderstood one small thing and got a little upset over an imagined slight? We knew when they were coming to us, they've pushed stuff forward before what was even promised, and we're getting stuff outside of the basic boxed set before everybody else who didn't kickstart. I think you must have misunderstood something further back and are upset over nothing really. Try to cheer up-from the sounds of it, Mantic is shipping to Australia first, followed by North America, THEN Europe, to ensure we all get our product before Christmas. Most OTHER companies would post to their own country first. Does that really sound like a bunch of bad-guys?
updated shipping information to not look like a Re-Re who can't read flags.
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Post by: nkelsch
May not have gotten it faster, but I pretty damned sure I am getting it cheaper!
The funny thing is we were not promised to get it first, just before Christmas. being able to get it to retailers who already get regular shipments easier than hundreds of random people doesn't strike me as irresponsible or not fulfilling the KS.
All we were promised was by Christmas and that seems to be being delivered on.
I am excited about stores getting it... Means people are seeing it before I already show up with multiple teams ready to play. Some of the Bloodbowl people in the area have already been clued in to Dreadball without KS exposure or anything.
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Post by: GrimmKey
Be as patient as the Teraton and as cunning as the guy who sells you a 50 credit t-shirt that wears out in a week.
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Post by: Azazelx
 timetowaste85 wrote:Zweischneid: everyone else on here is pretty okay with the time tables, and the amount of stuff we're getting before everyone else. Is it possible you just misunderstood one small thing and got a little upset over an imagined slight? We knew when they were coming to us, they've pushed stuff forward before what was even promised, and we're getting stuff outside of the basic boxed set before everybody else who didn't kickstart. I think you must have misunderstood something further back and are upset over nothing really. Try to cheer up-from the sounds of it, Mantic is shipping to your country first, followed by mine, THEN Europe, to ensure we all get our product before Christmas. Most OTHER companies would post to their own country first. Does that really sound like a bunch of bad-guys?
Basically, he's sniping because he's bored and because Mantic used Kickstarter in the incorrect way (aka not in a way that Zwei considers is the proper, " in the spirit" way that Kickstarter should run their business.) What with DB already being deep into production at the time. it was a pre-order for the boxed game. But you know, Kickstarter is a business, and crowdfunding sorts itself out, to a large extent.
Might be time to stop tilting at that particular windmill, Don Quixote. You're starting to come across a bit like Kroothawk in your Mantic sniping. By all means, call them out when they do something wrong, but shipping December orders in December isn't exactly the worst thing they could have done...
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ It isn't just Zwei, there's been a ton of anger in the kickstarter comments about what really isn't all that much of a big deal. It's more of a case of people feeling psychologically betrayed as a result of their own mental constructs and expectations, even if those don't align up with what the Kickstarter actually promised (delivery in December).
Basically speaking - This Monday was the first sightings of stores having the product on the shelves.
And now, today (Wednesday) - A bunch of UK people received their Striker packages this morning!
So yeah, anyone in the UK, keep an eye out over the next 2-5 days, they're being delivered by courier which means that it'll arrive pretty damned fast and won't be affected by the usual Royal Snail Xmas delays.
I've worked in warehouse packing before, and judging by their staffing levels they should be able to get 300 or so boxes packed and shipped every day (15 per person per hour with 5 people working), so give it 1-2 weeks for it all to be dispatched.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
I was at my FLGS last night and they had a variatiy of Dreadball stuff out for sale. I have to admit I am a bit disapointed that I didn't get my stuff first. Is it a deal breaker for me? Ultimatly it isn't, but it did leave a bad taste in my mouth and it might make me think twice about backing the next Mantic Kickstarter.
Intalectually I can see why Mantic shipped to stores when they did. However in the future if they plan on going the kickstarter route this may come back to haunt them.
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Post by: Alpharius
 scarletsquig wrote:It's more of a case of people feeling psychologically betrayed as a result of their own mental constructs and expectations...
I don't do quote sigs, but if I did!
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Post by: Salacious Greed
scarletsquig wrote:
And now, today (Wednesday) - A bunch of UK people received their Striker packages this morning!
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I thought Mantic said it was going to ship to the UK last. So are all the other orders already shipped?
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Post by: Zweischneid
/shrug
It's not so much about my mental constructs and expectations, but my problems predicting the incoherent judgments on this board.
Seeing the flame-rage that brought down Blue Table for a perceived (unproven) "abuse of Kickstarter-philosophy" and the general "shrug-it's-the-way-it-is" acceptance of Mantic's (far more obvious) adoption of Kickstarter-as-a-store-plus-hype-tool, I feel like I am always on the wrong side of the curve.
So yeah, I was angry early in this discussion here when it was leaked that shops could pre-order DreadBall, including "stretch-goals" before the Kickstarter went live.
I was told "it's the way it is and the crowd-will-sort-it". Don't be too "idealistic" about Kickstarter.
So I accepted that and took that argument to the Blue Table discussion, only to be shouted down by the enraged crowed of "OMGG!!! Blue Table is Violating the sacred Kickstarter-Creed" by opening a second store-front. Hell, when I mirrored arguments brought against me in the DreadBall discussion in the Blue Table topic, I was suddenly accused of being paid by BTP to hype it up. How else could I defend a company going so blatantly against the entrepreneurial Shangri-La of Kickstarter?
Then I come back here and everyone is once again perfectly fine with a second store front if it's done by Mantic.
So yes, I guess, I am just lost there.
Moral standards seem to go every which way on Dakka on this issue. I'd be fine with either one. But it should be only one standard... or at least that's what I've been taught .
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Post by: scarletsquig
Mantic have always clearly stated right from day 1 that the Kickstarter was to improve the game, not to fund it. It was already quite clearly sculpted and in production before the KS launched and the stretch goals have matched that. They even had the metal ref casted up, which probably would have been the freebie metal included with the retail box (instead of wildcard) if the KS didn't exist. They're now selling off their spare castings of the metal ref at events because they don't need them anymore.
I can't believe we're going over this again, after the 10-page debate on this exact same topic at the start of the thread.
Mantic have also clearly stated in multiple KS comments themselves that people might see it on the store shelves before they got their packages. They stated this in advance too, and stated the reason for it was because they wanted to get a bunch of MVPs in the shipment.
They actually asked backers what they'd prefer, a week earlier delivery or a bunch of extra MVPs in the box, and the bulk of people wanted the bunch of extra unreleased MVPs. I'm not sure how it's even possible to bring up "bad communication" as a problem with the company at this point. In fact, I sometimes saw complaints on the KS page that Mantic were communicating too much and people didn't want the inbox spam.
It wasn't "leaked" as you're stating, it was openly posted publically by Mantic and discussed in advance, not some kind of conspiracy coverup scenario where the first anyone heard of it was the boxes being seen on store shelves. If you haven't been reading the KS updates then this would be the first you've heard of it, but there's nothing Mantic can do about that.
I haven't read the BTP thread or paid much attention to it but from what I've heard it failed due to feeling like the KS wasn't actually funding anything or offering a discount/ really good deal.*
I'm not sure how that applies to this KS.
I mean yes, the game itself was funded already, but that $700k isn't just being spent on hookers and blow while Mantic wheels out the entire set of season 2 and Ultimate sculpts that they had sitting in their warehouse for the past 3 months.
It is being spent on producing the models while offering a huge return-on-investment for backers, both in terms of getting everything at a 70% discount and in terms of getting extremely well-in-advance-shipping on everything that isn't the basic game box.
I'm kinda wondering if people's anger with Kickstarter in general (pretty much every single wargaming KS other than Mantic and Impact! are missing their deadlines) is starting to boil over into attacking other companies on KS that haven't done anything wrong.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Wow, for some reason, I thought you lived in Australia-so I guess my last sentence to you makes no sense. I think I'll edit that out later to not make myself look like an idiot.
Your earlier post makes more sense with this information, but try not to cater to gamers with your posts: we're a fickle (childish) lot. Voice your own opinion, don't just say what you think we want to hear.
I didn't even go on the Blue Table kickstarter, so I have no ideas of the issues it faced, but I didn't feel that Mantic lied about anything, and was quite surprised by your statements, as they didn't make much sense to me: we're getting our big shipments when promised, we're getting a bunch of MVPs early, and we were told that we'll receive our second group of additional teams and further MVPs before other stores get them. Now, that was an agreement they made, and if stores receive the next batch of models before we do, then they have broken a promise to us and deserve a finger-wagging at the very least. They never said anything about when the first batch was hitting stores, but they were trying to market this game to be ready for Christmas-the earlier they hit shelves, the better.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Blue Table also always stated very clearly what they wanted to do.
I don't think transparency is the issue here.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Okay, now you've got me interested in reading the BTP thread, it sounds like I might have actually been in the position of backing you up there if I had any interest in it. :p
But surely you can accept that your annoyance over anything that happened with the BTP thread doesn't really have anything to do with this thread, as the 2 Kickstarters don't really bear any resemblance to each other whatsoever, and it probably isn't even the same posters in the 2 different threads, for the most part?
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Post by: Zweischneid
scarletsquig wrote:Okay, now you've got me interested in reading the BTP thread. :p
But surely you can accept that your annoyance over anything that happened with the BTP thread doesn't really have anything to do with this thread, as the 2 Kickstarters don't really bear any resemblance to each other whatsoever, and it probably isn't even the same posters in the 2 different threads, for the most part?
With the exception of Alpharius having a hard time with me, no, probably not 
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Post by: judgedoug
scarletsquig wrote: In fact, I sometimes saw complaints on the KS page that Mantic were communicating too much and people didn't want the inbox spam.
well, I _did_ just get update #100.
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Post by: Alpharius
Zweischneid wrote:
Moral standards seem to go every which way on Dakka on this issue. I'd be fine with either one. But it should be only one standard... or at least that's what I've been taught .
That might be your problem right there.
And I think I'm pretty much on the record as saying I really don't care what's on Kickstarter or any other 'crowd funding' site - the success or failure (and thereby the 'worthiness'?) of any project will be obvious by the time the campaign is underway.
Love it!
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Post by: Krinsath
The difference between Mantic and BTP was more that Mantic was offering you a product that could be enhanced into different production materials, more options, and other enhancements that wouldn't have been possible. I think a lot of the backlash towards BTP was they wanted to have the money to improve the speed of their service, not to change the final product in any way. Did it deserve the level of vitriol it got? Probably not. Am I surprised they didn't get funded? Not in the slightest, and I would say "working as intended".
People tend to get far too worked up about things that don't actually impact them. BTP made an offering, and you're free to dislike the idea and ignore it (I did). That some people feel the need to go in and bad-mouth the idea or try to have shut down because it "breaks the rules" of a fairly capitalist site really just tells me those are people not worth paying attention to in the future. While I wasn't impressed with BTP's proposal, not every product in the known world has to cater to me to be worthwhile. Some people just don't get that I guess...
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Post by: Alpharius
Right - before this one wanders too far afield, everyone should feel free to start some sort of generic Kickstarter thread in say, Dakka Discussions and leave this on to DB and On Topic.
Thanks!
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Post by: Azazelx
scarletsquig wrote:^ It isn't just Zwei, there's been a ton of anger in the kickstarter comments..
Yeah, I try not to bother with KS (or IGG) "comments" because they're often just a cesspool of stupid and whining, and I don't have the patience to trawl through them to find the relevant bits. It's why campaigns that don't send out comments to backers via email and instead answer important questions in the comments threads particularly annoy me.
That's one of the good things about the Breadbowl and KOW kickstarters (and several others) - regular updates to my email, so I don't feel like I'm (probably or definitely) missing out on important information by not trawling specific forums, reams of comments pages and all the rest. Anything important comes to my email, and I can certainly respect and appreciate that.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Breadbowl Scipio? Is someone using autocorrect perchance?
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Post by: Compel
scarletsquig wrote:
So yeah, anyone in the UK, keep an eye out over the next 2-5 days, they're being delivered by courier which means that it'll arrive pretty damned fast and won't be affected by the usual Royal Snail Xmas delays.
God damn it, I hate courier deliveries. Any idea what companies are being used? If I'm going to have to drive a 40 mile round trip, I'm going to be rather brassed off.
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Post by: RonanSAS
i really dont get what people see in many of these kickstarters ,in my experience these games get quite boring after all but then again i will happily be proven wrong
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Post by: Commander Cain
 RonanSAS wrote:I really don't get what people see in many of these kickstarters, in my experience these games get quite boring after all, but then again I will happily be proven wrong.
Well with Dreadball and Sedition wars I am buying mostly for the models themselves so while I am looking forward to playing them quite a lot, it is not the main reason why I pledged. A card game for example would not have gotten my money as there are no shiny plastics to accompany them! The game also looks to be very well thought out and offers quite a bit of variety even more so than say, Space Hulk which has a specific set of missions an that is it. (Unless you make your own missions which often end up being biased to one side). All the different teams and MVP's should help spice the game up quite well I think. Edit: Sorry, had to correct your grammar!
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Post by: nkelsch
RonanSAS wrote:i really dont get what people see in many of these kickstarters ,in my experience these games get quite boring after all but then again i will happily be proven wrong
Game systems come and go, good minis are good minis regardless how you slice it. Something mini games have over generic board games and card games. Even if the gameplay becomes stale, you still have the minis which are great to paint, display and often use in other games.
Some successful KS don't even have a game, just Minis! This one happened to have both a game and minis. And when you boil it down, if Dreadball was an unplayable flop or a bore, all of these figures roll directly into 'space blood bowl' which has a large indy community and is still a seasonal favorite with lots of game clubs. Some games are fun to take out once a year, play for 6-8 weeks, have a winner then go back to our regularly scheduled game.
I am really looking forward to Mantic's 'organized play' for Dreadball. I hope they can work out a US tourney or league system. I would enjoy to go to Adepticon or something for a full day tourney so I hope the rules are really balanced and becomes a good source of competitive play.
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RonanSAS wrote:i really dont get what people see in many of these kickstarters ,in my experience these games get quite boring after all but then again i will happily be proven wrong
Triple Quote time!
I have been playing Bloodbowl in various incarnations for the past 8 years and plan to continue to do so for quite a few more. I see it as a game similar to Dreadball in that there are teams and a goal and you compete against others.
Depending on how Mantic supports the game and how much people can get behind it I wouldnt be surprised to see it continue for quit some time.
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Post by: Azazelx
Heh. Just muscle memory combined with a rushed post before leaving for work. Automatically Appended Next Post: RonanSAS wrote:i really dont get what people see in many of these kickstarters ,in my experience these games get quite boring after all but then again i will happily be proven wrong
Yep, the guys who talked about how good models are a key selling point pretty much speak for me as well. Additionally, I have quite a few games in my collection, so rotation keeps them interesting for my wife, friends and I. If I were to play nothing but Dreadball (or Breadbowl) then I'm sure I would eventually get bored...
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I wish I'd pledged for a copy of Breadbowl. Sounds like a nice change of pace.
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Post by: Pacific
Got my DB in the post this morning, just having a look through it now! Seems rather nice, definitely an improvement in production quality/layout over the previous boxed games and the rulebook seems suitably meaty.
I've also noticed that the ref is included in the standard box, don't know if that was the plan all along?
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Post by: Commander Cain
I wish I still lived in England so I could get my copy sooner!
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Post by: Baragash
 Pacific wrote:I've also noticed that the ref is included in the standard box, don't know if that was the plan all along?
First stretch goal was to add the Ref to every copy of the game 
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Pacific wrote:I've also noticed that the ref is included in the standard box, don't know if that was the plan all along?
Yep, as indicated in the first Dreadball update (though obviously I had to go looking to confirm that as it was months ago).:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-the-futuristic-sports-game/posts/294684
She’s a real beauty of a figure and if we pass through this goal, we’ll add the Ref to every copy of DreadBall – The Futuristic Sports Game, ever (yes that means even non-Kickstarter sets!)
It's one of the product enhancements that the KS backers made possible for everyone.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Baragash wrote: Pacific wrote:I've also noticed that the ref is included in the standard box, don't know if that was the plan all along?
First stretch goal was to add the Ref to every copy of the game
Yup the KS put the restic Ref in the box
(although it sounds like they cast a lot of metal ones so they would have probably been the 'pre/early order' bonus for shop buyers who now get wildcard instead) Automatically Appended Next Post: And now the for 12 Sculpts of Xmas
Judwan Jack Automatically Appended Next Post: I like, but the feet seem to work a bit odd with the Mantic base
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Post by: scarletsquig
Fairly certain that whoever put the sculpt on to the base was unaware that the toes are supposed to be touching the ground, not the heels.
It's quite clearly falling backwards when it isn't supposed to be.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Aside from SS's comments, it looks a wee bit static to me. Probably a joy to repose though; all those thin bits bend/twist just fine with some judicious application of heat and only the arms might give a little trouble (but even those are relatively easy to chop up and just sculpt parts of back on ).
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
You know when you hear someone talk with a scratchy voice and you feel the need to cough? Or when you see someone hurt their arm, so you need to stretch and flex your own arm?
That Judwan just saw Wildcard's go-go boots.
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Post by: Azazelx
scarletsquig wrote:^ That's an interesting couple of blog posts there. I didn't realise that almost none of these wargaming Kickstarters are hitting their shipping dates on time, and that out of those that do have problems, the majority don't even bother with regular updates. Makes me kinda glad I haven't gone too nuts with buying into all of them. Going to keep ignoring them next year and just save up for the Warpath KS (either April or June next year).
I'm really glad Mantic are the only one on your list that you're happy with, their customer service and good attitude is one of the things I've always tried to highlight, but it hasn't been until the kickstarter craze took off that people have seen just how dedicated they actually are at coping with high demand and tons of pressure. The reaction to things going wrong is definitely really important, as you say, it only takes 5 minutes to post a KS update to let people know what's been going on in the warehouse that week or what the latest word from the printers is.
As a counter to my earlier comment, this is probably an example of one of the good things about having a businessman (Ronnie) running the company rather than an artist. Stuff gets done, and it gets done on schedule.
Oh, and they've moved out of their old offices that got completely flooded a couple of Decembers ago (there weren't any order delays as a result of that back then either :p) , so the flooding across the UK at the moment won't slow things down either.
I hear Impact! are pretty good with Kickstarter too, they've built up a good customer base with about 5 different kickstarters that haven't ran into any problems.
As you've said here, their willingness to step up has shone through here. I'm also pretty happy with Mongoose, I just haven't written their post up yet, as I'm doing them sequentially in order of backing. (and I don't get to do much during the week anymore.. need the weekend before I can really think). With others, I'm sure I'll be happy with the product when it finally arrives - but I might not ever go in for another KS from them again either.
I'm sure there'll be more KS I go in for next year, but I won't be in anywhere nearl the way I was this year, when it was new and shiny, and I was yet to be disappointed by almost all of them and their projected shipping dates...
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Post by: Riquende
Nightshade (the Warpath universe's first Asterian model)
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Post by: Bolognesus
...That will positively need a hex base to stay upright
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Two steps forward, two steps back. But am I talking about Mantic or Nightshade?
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Post by: judgedoug
looks pretty much exactly like the concept art
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Well i'll say I dislike the GW style giant shoulder pads that block side vision, but that's a style thing
The face is interesting, but comes off more as a muzzle than a humanoid jaw, again a style thing
but the feet are just plain bad : the heel on the raised foot is the same as the heel on the planted foot. And the armour 'scale' on the top of the foot is just as bad, the just arn't the same size
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Post by: timetowaste85
Wha? That model looks pretty nice. Yes, it'll need a hex base, but it's very action-oriented. I happen to quite like it. More than the recently shown Judwan model.
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Post by: Commander Cain
I quite like him as well. The action pose works for me and it is very true to the artwork. Pretty good job overall!
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Post by: Triszin
i think the miniatures look great, its just they keep getting poor angles on the pictures.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Maybe it's a poor angle, but he really looks like he's dancing, Ted Stryker style. If he was leaning forward more, it would look exciting, but as is, it reminds me of Gary Larsson's dancing cows.
Then again, if he was photographed from the "front", the pose might look very dynamic. Hmmm.... The more I think about it, the more it does just look like a bad angle. A really, really bad angle.
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Post by: Pacific
Come on man, that was totally not a justified use of the Picard face-palm! There are rules for this kind of thing
Think he looks OK, bit of an action pose and looks like he is about to throw something Tron/discus style.
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Post by: RiTides
Pacific wrote:Come on man, that was totally not a justified use of the Picard face-palm! There are rules for this kind of thing
Think he looks OK, bit of an action pose and looks like he is about to throw something Tron/discus style.
Agreed
Not a huge fan of the pose, but these 2 sculpts aren't terrible. My fave is still John Doe... can't wait for the Nameless!
My local group is doing a Bloodbowl league soon- I'd rather try Dreadball, but my Nameless won't be coming for a long time.
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Post by: Groundh0g
I really like that mini, and I think the pose is a very natural athletic crouch that you would see in a "sport" such as DreadBall.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Mantic's first ever digital sculpts, an interesting development:
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Post by: judgedoug
Whoa, I rather like them.
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Post by: overtyrant
There pretty cool, I like!
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Post by: DaveC
Yep I like it it makes sense for the Robot team you only really have to digitally sculpt 1 then you manipulate the pose and the details to get multiple versions - they are all Jacks if I recall so no need to bulk them up for Guards or stream line them for Strikers.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Looks cool,
hope they're able to carry to look through to the finished models
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I may have to buy that team, too. Very nice work.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Found a better pic:
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Post by: RiTides
Sweet robots! Will be hard to use for Bloodbowl but I'm hoping folks around here get bitten by the Dreadball bug, in time.
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Post by: nkelsch
I am itching to get my models to show off to the Bloodbowl crew. NOVA has quite a few Bloodbowlers, I just would like to catch a game north of the beltway to try to inspire some futuristic sports.
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Post by: Black Nexus
i think they're in different stages of transformations the shoulder pad on that third one is much bulkier and covers the gear edges on the one of the left that aren't present on the one is the middle. jack - striker - guard? wonder if firewall will be done the same way.
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Post by: Azazelx
Everybody Dance Now!
In other news, my copies arrived today. Checked one out properly, the miniatures are tiny! Even the dwarves who look all bulked-up Warmahordes style, just aren't. Will check the other one properly for the extras later, but I think at this stage all the exra MVPs are the ones everyone gets, not the purchased ones, yeah?
Also, they forgot to include my MDF pitch (though it's listed on my invoice!) Not in the boxes they shipped in, not under the tray inserts... I rang them and they're sorting it out for me, so while I doubt it'll be here by Christmas, it should be not too long afterwards. Gonna make myself a steel SpeedBall pitch!
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Post by: judgedoug
 scipio.au wrote:In other news, my copies arrived today. Checked one out properly, the miniatures are tiny!
Yup! I figured you would own some Mantic figures by now - they're all that tiny! True 28's - which is why I love their KoW Orcs so much.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Have to agree. I prefer their Undead rank and file to anything GW has made, and it also allows me to include other manufacturers and have a similar size result across the entire army. Even LotR scale well next to them, which allows use of the Army of the Dead as well as Morghul Knights.
Missed out on Dreadball, but loving the sculpts thus far.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Same here - that scale difference is what a lot of us like about mantic so much
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Post by: Kroothawk
scipio.au wrote:In other news, my copies arrived today. Checked one out properly, the miniatures are tiny!
So they fit your Blood Vestals by Raging Heroes!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
That's the theme of Dreadball! It's so obvious now! It's a ball, as in " ballroom blitz"!
Widcard: definitely dancing to Uhn-Tiss Uhn-Tiss Uhn-Tiss.
Nightshade: Just Dance.
John Doe: Like a G6...or maybe some sort of rave-K-Pop fusion.
Buzzcut: The Running Man.
88: Whenever, Wherever by Shakira
Robits: C&C Dance Factory.
Coach Splinter: Give Me the Beat Boys or maybe That Old Time Rock and Roll.
I can't believe I didn't see it sooner. Dread ball. Even Wildcard's outfit makes sense now. Will the Zzor be dancing to Thriller? I can only hope Coach Ronnie is doing the Travolta.
Now, the whole line looks much more coherent and thematic.
Thank goodness there's a method! For a while there, I was worried Mantic was just putting out whatever crap they had on hand regardless of quality.
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Post by: Azazelx
judgedoug wrote: scipio.au wrote:In other news, my copies arrived today. Checked one out properly, the miniatures are tiny!
Yup! I figured you would own some Mantic figures by now - they're all that tiny! True 28's - which is why I love their KoW Orcs so much.
I do - quite a few now, actually - but still, the images of the Dreadball stuff just makes them look bigger, or closer to the GW/Rackham sizes.. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Kroothawk wrote: scipio.au wrote:In other news, my copies arrived today. Checked one out properly, the miniatures are tiny!
So they fit your Blood Vestals by Raging Heroes!
They do, they do indeed!
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Post by: judgedoug
scipio.au wrote: judgedoug wrote: scipio.au wrote:In other news, my copies arrived today. Checked one out properly, the miniatures are tiny!
Yup! I figured you would own some Mantic figures by now - they're all that tiny! True 28's - which is why I love their KoW Orcs so much.
I do - quite a few now, actually - but still, the images of the Dreadball stuff just makes them look bigger, or closer to the GW/Rackham sizes..
Which is why I'm not too concerned about the bad pics of the sculpts for DB and KoW - I know they're going to be much smaller in person so the detail will look a lot more crisp.
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Post by: Ghiest1
Hello,
Actually with Nightshade I was thinking he is back-stepping to the "electric slide". However with a ball in his hand I could see it being a backstep to pass, caught in mid motion.
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Post by: judgedoug
When Jonathan "Gabe" Gabriel died on the pitch, smashed into a uniform paste by the legendary Buzzkill, it was assumed to be the end of his career. When a jockstrap rich in genetic material was discovered, he became the first crowdfunded resurrection by cloning.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Dreadball Gabe is ace
pity realworld PA kind of fluffed doing the publicity for him.....
but then again the fewer the folk who added him, the rarer mine will be, mwahahaha
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Post by: nkelsch
PA model is excellent. Better than some of the other PA models floating around the Kickstartosphere...
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Post by: Krinsath
I was honestly very leery of getting Gabe since it was a licensed thing (despite liking PA) but ended up doing it because of the supposed "mostly rare" angle. Now I'm glad I did, that's a very nice-looking sculpt.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I think it's one of the best MVP sculpts so far. Now I wish I had bought him.
It really is too bad PA decided to treat Mantic like a bunch of lepers during the KS. I wish Mantic would have used that star sculptor's time to create a model that would actually be appreciated by its patrons. Or better yet, to sculpt the werewolves instead of letting Joel Schumacher do it.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Wow. Bought this mini just because I liked the artwork and it seems to have paid off well, really good sculpt!
The Robots are a little hard to make out but I think they should also be pretty nice once they are printed.
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Post by: timetowaste85
That model is amazing! So glad I got one. Even though Penny Arcade kinda sucked at giving recognition, at least Mantic made them look good. Hope PA remembers that in the future...
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Post by: Mr.Church13
Just received mine here in Mississippi! Came USPS with no warning whatsoever.
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Post by: Sining
Asked Mantic if I could add a Gabe to my pledge and they said yes ^_^
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Post by: scarletsquig
Remy Dreadball sculpts are sooooo much better than the sculpts from the other guy (Judwan, Gorim Ironstone, etc.).
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I agree. There is a definite "good sculptor/bad sculptor" dynamic in Mantic's range right now. Hopefully the other guy will keep improving. So far, Wildcard is still the worst DB model we've seen, so it can only get better.
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Love the pacman on the Gabe. Too bad the real world Gabe is a .
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Mine arrived today (Well done Mantic for hitting their delivery target, the first KS I've been part of that's managed this)
Two of the three MVPs I was a bit worried about ,No 88 and Gorim look better in the hand than the photos suggest by quite a way
(I need to assemble wildcard before passing judgement on her properly, the leg that looks odd is a separate part, and that might turn out to be why she looked as she did)
All the rest look good (or great)
My art poster has a real signature (so does the event ticket) so well done Ronnie
The Box is a sturdy affair, far better than previous mantic releases, the same with the game board
One thing to be aware of is the clear plastic hex bases are not snap fit as suggested during the KS, rather you'll need to glue in the figures (or use blu-tak). I'd also say they are essential as the figures are not very stable on their integrated bases
I'll see if I can get some pictures done later to tease those still waiting for theirs
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Post by: Compel
Anyone know what company they're shipping with in the UK?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
They're using Royal Mail in the UK
1st/2nd class depending on the weight of the box.
Mine shipped Thursday & arrived today
thank god it's not Yodel
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
And now I've bought a Gabe model. When the robits come out, I will get them, too.
Mantic continues to surprise me with the amazing quality of their good sculpts (and the increasing frequency of good sculpts).
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Post by: Baragash
 Compel wrote:Anyone know what company they're shipping with in the UK?
Royal Fail. Mine arrived today but the douchebags left it on my doorstep.
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Post by: judgedoug
Baragash wrote: Compel wrote:Anyone know what company they're shipping with in the UK?
Royal Fail. Mine arrived today but the douchebags left it on my doorstep.
I hate that. It's like a nice beacon around the holidays for people to come steal your stuff.
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Post by: nkelsch
So does anyone have any ideas what to do with the bases? A plastic disc (which I assume after I paint the model will be black) in a clear base.
I am wondering if anyone has any bright ideas for base details?
I am looking forward to getting these and painting them right away!
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Post by: Taarnak
nkelsch wrote:So does anyone have any ideas what to do with the bases? A plastic disc (which I assume after I paint the model will be black) in a clear base.
I am wondering if anyone has any bright ideas for base details?
I am looking forward to getting these and painting them right away!
I was planning to paint the base either black or the predominate team color and then add the player # onto it. Makes quick identification easier. I intended to leave the hex bases clear. Maybe magnetize them, but probably just use poster tack to stick the player to them.
~Eric
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Post by: Baragash
nkelsch wrote:So does anyone have any ideas what to do with the bases? A plastic disc (which I assume after I paint the model will be black) in a clear base.
I am wondering if anyone has any bright ideas for base details?
I am looking forward to getting these and painting them right away!
Personally, leaving my bases clear, though I will black out the edge that marks the "straight forward" position for gaming clarity.
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Post by: Azazelx
Lots of people don't like PA for whatever reasons, especially since they're pretty blunt/straightforward. I'm not a fanboi by any means, but Child's Play has done a hell of a lot of good, and while they certainly dropped the ball on the Dreadball promotion, on balance they seem a lot more good than bad.....
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Post by: Sining
Baragash wrote: Compel wrote:Anyone know what company they're shipping with in the UK?
Royal Fail. Mine arrived today but the douchebags left it on my doorstep.
Mine just throws mine over the gate into my house -_- No chance of them improving either since they're a gov't department
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
nkelsch wrote:So does anyone have any ideas what to do with the bases? A plastic disc (which I assume after I paint the model will be black) in a clear base.
I am wondering if anyone has any bright ideas for base details?
I am looking forward to getting these and painting them right away!
Maybe make the disk bright blue or flourescent green, to look like a glowing spot on the pitch under the player? If you have glow in the dark paint, that would be really cool.
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Post by: Jeff Cope
Got my Dreadball today! So cool! Now to find some time to assemble the models and give it a go!
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Post by: Compel
Royal Mail did deliver it very nicely today!
Initial thoughts: "Wow, the models do seem small." It turns out I was looking at the ver-mynn and the forge-fathers.
The rest of the models seem roughly equivalent to LOTR's scale. Some actually seem a little bit taller. Wildcard is extremely slender however. The Enforcer is a Really Big Guy.
It's a bit confusingly packaged as far as the extras are concerned, I went for cheerleader with a mate, with the aim to split things. My paintbrushes appear to have ended up in a different box to my paints, for example. However, none of the actual models have gotten mixed up that I've noticed. I think I've got everything split out now.
Basically, you've got a Forgefather bag, a Veermyn bag, a bag of characters, including the coach and the trophy. Then you've got a bag of 'other stuff' which appears to include some corporation, orx, goblins, I think I spotted a female human too and an Astarian. - Clearly I'll need to open this bag to work out what it exactly has.
They definitely gave me 2 tickets to the dreadball events though, so that's good!
The big paint set is all there, along with brushes! Now I just need to figure out what shades they actually are.
I also got myself "Project Pandora" which, to be honest, seems a bit pants... And I'm annoyed that the Exclusive Kickstarter Discount! Ended up making me paying over the odds for it, even more than retail due to conversion rates.
All in all, a good set though, it's just Project Pandora has soured my mood a bit...
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Post by: Zweischneid
Yup.
The scale of the miniatures is really surprising. Someone needs to do a comparison shot with (formerly 28mm, now "officially 32mm) Dystopian Legion minis
DreadBall Striker Unboxing
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Post by: RiTides
Wow, that's small!
The local store that stocks Mantic had one of their reps out demo'ing dreadball... sadly I found out after the fact :-/
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Post by: DaveC
That's a pretty bad mold line across lucky Logan and the unboxing mentions the plastic is a little softer the normal so hopefully it cleans up without to much work. Anyone tried removing mold lines yet how'd you get on?
Mine has yet to show up but the post here is brutal at the best of times and I nearly always have to go to sorting office to pick it up some of the postmen don't even bother bringing parcels anymore they just deliver a sorry we missed you note even when your home
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Post by: Zweischneid
I don't think cleaning the minis up will be much of a problem. Should scrape off nicely. Might even file it off.
I haven't started building the minis (and likely won't before Christmas), but the material doesn't feel very hard (as said).
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The mold lines scrape off really easily (use the blade rather than the back of the hobby knife). I've not tried a file on it yet
Actually the degree of mould line seems to vary between 'identical' figures rather a lot, so whoever did the casting for Mantic was a bit sloppy with how they handled the moulds
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Post by: Compel
Hmm, have I got this list right?
The 4 original Teams (no wound markers) - Totalling 10 guys.
Gorim Ironstone, Lucky Logan, Slippery Joe, Reek Rolat, Number 88, The Enforcer, Buzzcut, John Doe, Wild Card, Refbot, the trophy and Coach Renton.
Or are there more bits I haven't found in the masses of plastic I've got.
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Post by: Mr.Church13
The Mold lines arent that hard to remove they're just in some terrible places and it seems like the person doing the casting didn't quite get the mold lined up correctly on a couple of the models.
Took me some time to get the lines off of my goblin Jacks and some of the MVPs but overall it's fixable, and with the exception of the Veer-Myn team not too bad. (Veer-Myn have some posing issues and a ton of spindly fiddly bitz)
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Post by: Zweischneid
Compel wrote:Hmm, have I got this list right?
The 4 original Teams (no wound markers) - Totalling 10 guys.
Should be 14 each of the 4 Season 1 teams (Striker) or 14 of Humans/Orks with 2 Forge Father and 2 Veer-myn if it is Jack.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Just got mine in the mail-quite happy! I was really, really looking forward to this game, and I'm out of the house Monday and Tuesday, so I'm glad I didn't have to wait til Wednesday to get this! Components look solid. Way to go, Mantic!
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Post by: Compel
Definitely only got 10 of each of the 4 teams in half of Cheerleader.
Each team has 3 poses. 2 poses with 4 models, and 1 pose with 2 models.
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Post by: Dysartes
There were going to be some additional sculpts done to add variety to the teams, but they are due to ship in the next batch of stuff, IIRC.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Yes. My bad.
Just had a look at the KS comments. Seems like the 4-extra are the alternative sculpts that will come later.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Gah, I am saving my copy for Christmas so I have to listen to all this discussion minus my own set!
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Just got my copy! (Eastern PA, USA)
As others have mentioned, the scale is a little wonky: the Enforcer is (properly) huge, but 88 is only a head taller then the FF MVP, and the other humans (Coach, Wildcard and Logan) are at least a head taller then him. Is he (88) supposed to be so small, or is it simply a combination of being slight and having a very wide stance?
As for details, very happy: John Doe is, as previews showed, one sexy beast. 88, scale issues aside, is very nice with some really great anatomy work. Wildcard is... not growing on me (I may just use 88 in her stead, honestly). Enforcer and Reek are very nice, some mold lines to remove, and the Goblin MVP (like the other goblins) is tiny.
More assembly necessary then I expected, but I like putting them together. One thing: the additional hex bases are absolutely needed, the cast-in bases are barely capable of keeping the figures upright, much less keeping them in place during actual play.
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Post by: nkelsch
Oh please wargaming gods, may my dread ball set be relatively mold-line free... I just spent 2 weeks fixing mold lines and filling gaps on my SDE expansion and I want to paint some models!
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Post by: timetowaste85
So...I'm trying to understand this...why did we get Wildcard when we don't have any rules for her? My first complaint for the game is that we get her model, but no rules, and rules for Buzzcut, but no model. Seems...odd...
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 timetowaste85 wrote:So...I'm trying to understand this...why did we get Wildcard when we don't have any rules for her? My first complaint for the game is that we get her model, but no rules, and rules for Buzzcut, but no model. Seems...odd...
Rules for her are on the quirkworthy blog I believe. http://quirkworthy.com/2012/12/05/wildcard/
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Post by: judgedoug
IIRC (and I could be wrong), Wildcard was originally intended as a convention or Mantic Point exclusive figure, not part of the original rules (so to be downloaded from the site, etc). Mantic was originally planning for the first retail printing of Dreadball to have a free Refbot metal figure, but the KS stretch goal was to produce it in restic and include it in all Dreadballs. Since Mantic was gonna give a freebie with the first production run anyway, they instead bumped Wildcard up to that and included her in all KS and as the free model now in the first production run for Retail stores (hence every copy of retail Dreadball arriving with a corresponding free blister containing Wildcard).
I *think* that's the deal, but I could be wrong on this.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I think I see a solution...
"Man, she hits hard."
I'm telling you guys, Wildcard and Buzzcut go together like chocolate and peanut butter, like love and marriage, like death and taxes, like Harry and Draco. They're the most adorable bloodsporting star-crossed lovers since Katniss and Peeta.
Yes, I'm a Buzzard shipper. They're so kawaii!
Kawaiiiiiiiii!
^___________^
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Post by: Mr.Church13
I think it's just that wildcard is from season two and we got her model really early.
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Post by: judgedoug
That must be it, so I was off on that, but the rest I believe is true (refbot becoming part of the game's contents, then wildcard moved up to be the freebie in the first printing)
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Post by: Black Nexus
yeah Wildcard was season 2 but ready before Buzzcut so they shipped her with the release as a special and did special downloadable rules for her:
http://www.manticgames.com/DreadBall/Downloads.html
Enforcers ment to be a space marine equivalent IMO so scale should be significantly bigger than the corproation-imperial guard scaled trontek dudes... number 88 just has a wide stance
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Post by: timetowaste85
Knowing that there are DL rules for her, I'm happy once again. Pip, pip, and Cheerios, mantic! That's how you Brits talk, right?
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Post by: DaveC
My Dreadball arrived I was just walking out the door as the postman arrived so good timing all round. I really like the scale of the Dreadball minis they are true 28mm (which I've always preferred) rather than Heroic scale I'm assembling a few now there's a good few mold lines to deal with but they clean up quite well and most of mold lines are in hidden places or across flat armour plates so they are easily removed. And for all of Sedition Wars backers here's a scale picture with a Vanguard Samaritan (the Corporation Jack is on a 30mm base to try and level out the height of the bases). There is no way some of these will stand up without the Hex bases.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The mould lines on some of the figures have been the one dissapointment for me on some of the dreadball figures
It's a problem with their caster as not all figures have the same issues (eg one of my Orx Guards had horrible thick mould lines, the others were much better)
While cleanup on most of the minis will eliminate the problem (with time and effort) some are positioned to make this tricky and possible require some resculpting
Lucky Logan is one I'm having trouble with, and the Veermyn have mould lines over fur (always tricky) and narrow strapping round the ankles (again tricky)
I just have the feeling the mould maker had taken a little more care (or rejected the odd figure) I'd have been more impressed
(I'd still give the package a solid 8/10, but they could have got 9)
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Post by: Commander Cain
Ah thanks for the size comparison pic Dave. I was planning on chopping them up and incorporating them into my sedition wars game so it is nice to see that they scale up much better than I first thought.
And my set really needs to hurry up and get here soon!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Just to note I dropped a quick email into Mantic about my generally positive first impression of the game
1. I mentioned an assembly guide would be good for the non-minigames out there.
They said they'll look into it for future printings
2. I thought the card counters were a bit thin. Aparently they were originally meant to be thicker but the overseas printer let Mantic down and these are the best they could get locally in the time frame allowed.
Future print runs will have counters comparable to those in FFG boardgames
3. They'll pass on my mould line comments to their caster (so hopefully future buyers won't have those few figures with horrible mould lines)
(and Stuart responded to my email in about 5 minutes so well done to him too)
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Post by: Alpharius
Nice pic - thanks Dave!
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Post by: DaveC
Having just assembled the Marauder and Forge Father Teams I could have done with one of these while the pegs are all different sizes and shapes and should only fit in a specific slot it can still take awhile to figure them all out especially with the Forge Father fists and Goblin Jacks also proved to be very fiddly to put together and I'm an experienced model maker who knows how a casual gamer will manage. That said everything fits together very well there will be no need for any filling here joins are hidden at armour plate joins and clothing.
I have a Marauder team, Forge Father Team (they look great assembled up and were the one team I wanted more than any other), Slippery Jack, Gorim Ironstone, No.88, Lucky Logan and Refbot assembled and on the painting shelf I hope to get them all painted over the Christmas holidays. The join on the Refbots left arm is tiny with no slot (to small to pin) I foresee many missing Refbot arms and as for the balls Mantic are going to have to sell packs of these to replace all the lost ones. Gorim is noticeably thinner than the other Forge Fathers but it's probably just as well so he's easier to spot on the pitch but he's a bit underwhelming for an MVP sculpt. No. 88 is actually quite small but as it's of an unknown race it's fine. I was lucky with the mold lines on mine for the most part nothing misaligned just a little extra "flash" in places that scraped away easy enough.
Overall very impressed with the miniatures and the Acrylic pitch (glad I opted for it at the survey now) sure there are a few average sculpts but there's no bad sculpts that I can see even Wildcard looks better in person and I may not even do any conversion work on her afterall.
I used Army Painter Cyanoacrylate super glue to assemble them without any problems or "fogging" issues. Finally the miniatures will have to be glued to the Hex bases or magnetised at any rate they are not snap fit some like the Refbot are a lot smaller than the insert space on the Hex base.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I'd agree with you that the Forge Fathers as a team are probably the stand out group of mins
I also really like the Orx Guards and the Veermyn Guards
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Post by: judgedoug
re: Gorim, I was under the impression his fluff indicates that unlike normal Forge Fathers, he's smaller, runs faster, and avoids combat, to score points.
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Post by: wilycoyote
Yep, mine arrived checked and then was taken away until Christmas...doh.
I did get a couple of practice games with a mate's copy though at my club and his solution for the hex base issue was to use double sided clear tape. just enough tackiness to keep figures in place and less fiddly than magnetising them. Although I suspect when the orders that were made for additional bases arrives the figures will be glued on.
Question, normally I would use PVA with clear plastic, but having little experience with the Restic used by Mantic will this do? I an wary of superglues because of the fogging issues on clear pieces.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Just got mine, the box got pretty beat up by shipping though :/
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Post by: DaveC
wilycoyote wrote:Yep, mine arrived checked and then was taken away until Christmas...doh.
I did get a couple of practice games with a mate's copy though at my club and his solution for the hex base issue was to use double sided clear tape. just enough tackiness to keep figures in place and less fiddly than magnetising them. Although I suspect when the orders that were made for additional bases arrives the figures will be glued on.
Question, normally I would use PVA with clear plastic, but having little experience with the Restic used by Mantic will this do? I an wary of superglues because of the fogging issues on clear pieces.
The fogging is usually due to getting some moisture - normally from your hands - in the superglue while it sets or using to much superglue a small drop in the center of the underside of the base will be sufficient to glue it to the clear base without any fogging issues (or if there are they won't be visible as they are on the underside). PVA won't form a strong enough bond for long term use it will hold in the short term though.
As a side note my Enforcers base was fairly badly warped (the Enforcers base seems to be thinner than the others) so I put it in boiling water for a few seconds and it became very pliable and I was able to straighten the base out good as new.
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Post by: Riquende
 DaveC wrote: The join on the Refbots left arm is tiny with no slot (to small to pin) I foresee many missing Refbot arms
Have you got a metal refbot? Because I've got two restic ones and neither needed its arm attaching to it.
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Post by: DaveC
Riquende wrote: DaveC wrote: The join on the Refbots left arm is tiny with no slot (to small to pin) I foresee many missing Refbot arms
Have you got a metal refbot? Because I've got two restic ones and neither needed its arm attaching to it.
Looks like mine broke in the box then thought it was a bit weird that it was a separate piece her ankle was broken as well but just needed gluing back together can't even be seen now.
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Post by: timetowaste85
My refbot was a single piece too. Yours definitely must have been broken.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Ah, after all my complaining by DB box arrived today. Now to wait until Christmas to inspect the goodies!
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Post by: RiTides
Agreed, thanks for the pic DaveC!
Can't wait to get my John Doe from Cyporiean... then the long wait for his Nameless friends!
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Post by: Krinsath
Mine was just dropped off while I got some chicken soup to fight this pesky cold.
Very nice stuff on initial glance and my acrylic pitch is gorgeous. I'm saving playing with the models until I'm feeling better, but everything looks good so far.
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Post by: kenshin620
Sorry if this has been discussed at length already, but is it fair that people who back the KS might not get their box before retailers do?
Though I suppose the issue this TMPer has is not the game itself but the "hostility" of the mantic forums
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=290010
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Post by: overtyrant
Yeah thing is he was quite hostile to begin with and essentially everyone disagreed with him, just pop over to the Mantic Forums and give it a read he blew things right out of perportion IMO!
Not to botherd about receiving my copy of DB at the same time as retailers. Was told I would get it in December and I got it in December, its not a race lol!
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Post by: Baragash
that page is not representative of the situation at all, and half his rant on the Mantic Forum is about how his local gaming group are douchebags and taking the piss out of him because he hasn't got his yet, and possibly not letting him play without his own copy (his writing is terrible so I'm not clear on that point).
He was the one being the most hostile on the Mantic forums.
Mantic promised the product in December, it shipped in December, almost everyone is going to get it in December
Though they didn't publicise it, they were screwed by the same printer that screwed McVey on Sedition Wars and everything was meant to arrive already packed from China
So Mantic had to pack way over 2000 games themselves (1610 + 297 Striker pledges alone, plus other pledges including games + retailer copies) for which they closed their warehouse and didn't ship any other product out
The MVPs and some of the teams they were still waiting on so they began shipping (on the 30th Nov I'm led to believe) the product that didn't require the extras as it was ready
They didn't give any KS backer's copy to anyone that wasn't a backer
So essentially a few people have gone all #firstworldproblems because over a two and a half week period Mantic worked a shedload of overtime, shipped a load of product in a practical order instead of holding their hands up and going "things are delayed and it's not our fault" and even pulled a couple of hundred backers product forward a month (January Striker pledges went out too).
I wish they'd communicated it much better than they did.
On a more positive note, here's a review I did for some people who knew very little about DB in the first place - because I enjoy the game, you might consider it fairly biased but I've tried to concentrate on telling people how the game works:
Baragash wrote:
Firstly, if anyone wants to read more about it:
http://dreadball.com/ - official site
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-the-futuristic-sports-game - kickstarter, probably the best place to see the scope of what's planned
http://quirkworthy.com/category/dreadball-the-futuristic-sports-game/ - designer Jake Thornton's own blog
So what's the game like? Well it's not like Bloodbowl, that's for sure. Yeah, you pick up the ball, throw the ball, punch (slam) people, have "tackle zones" (threat hexes), give assists, steal the ball, can foul (and get sent off), score points (strikes) and you get "special play cards", yet despite all that, it's a really different game. Think more ice hockey or basketball where the action flows from end-to-end continuously.
So the basic premise is that you get 14 rushes, 7 per player, each of which allow you 5 actions. As you start with 6 players on the pitch, and a player can take up to actions you're immediately presented with a choice for managing limited resources.
Now you don't track absolute score, rather you track the difference. So if I score 2 points, then you score 4 points, the score track would read 2-0 to you. If you get to 7 points ahead at any time, you win there and then. There are 3 strike zones you can score in, the 2 ones nearest the centre line are worth 1 point (+1 if you score from a particular hex) and the one at the end is worth 3 points (again the +1 is available). In order to score you have to get a player into the strike zone and make a successful throw (I personally imagine this bit like the game they play in Battlestar Galactica).
So what about the teams?
Firstly there are 3 types of players. Not all teams get all 3.
Striker - the stars of the team, they are better at throwing (and therefore scoring), picking up the ball, evading and dashing, but they can't hit opponents
Guards - the violence in the team, better armoured, better at slamming and therefore killing, but they can't catch or hold the ball (unless they get the Keeper upgrade though this doesn't allow them to score)
Jacks - they are generally not as good as a Striker or Guard at their respective specialities, but on the other hand they can both handle the ball and slam so give you flexibility
The 4 Season 1 teams are:
Human - all-rounders as you would expect, start with a roster of 2 Guards, 3 Jacks, 3 Strikers
Orx & Goblins - no strikers in the team, start with 3 (!) Orc Guards (these guys are hard, harder than Human Guards) and 5 Goblin Jacks
Veer-myn (rats) - no Jacks, start with 2 Guards and 6 Strikers
Forge Fathers (Dwarfs) - similar to humans but they trade move and speed (move is what you think it is, speed is a measure of a particular range of abilities like you would imagine strength or skill to be) for strength, start with 3 Guards, 3 Jacks and 2 Strikers
What about the mechanics?
To conduct an action you make a test against Speed, Strength or Skill. Where DB gets interesting is that you don't roll 1 dice against a score, you roll 3 dice and only need 1 to equal or beat the score to succeed. Also, rather than use modifiers, bonuses and penalties increase or decrease the number of dice you get to roll. There are some actions like Dashing or Evading which get progressively difficult the more times you do it in an action and require cumulative successes to pass. The net effect is that the odds are normally in your favour to pass a test, but the benefits of succeeding in any individual action aren't huge. The big benefits come in when you "double" an action, that is roll lots of successes - or in the case of an "opposed" roll (where you and your opponent both roll and the highest wins) scoring twice as many successes as they do. Doubling either gives you a much better benefit in the action or gives you a free action beyond the 5 you get in your Rush (and doesn't count against the players' individual 2 action limit).
Any dice that comes up a 6 allows you to throw another dice at the action (this can be crucial in armour rolls and slams quite often) to try for an additional success.
In addition to actions being fairly easy to pass at a basic level, which helps the fast, end-to-end nature of the game, you only end a rush prematurely if you lose possession of the ball during it (if you don't have possession then you've nothing to worry about).
Another interesting feature is that the game is entirely continuous, after a team makes a successful strike the ball is pinged back across the centre of the pitch and the other player begins his next Rush. This means you have to balance committing players forward against needing players back to stop enemy scores and retrieve the ball from relaunches or missed passes/strikes. If you lose players during the game then substitutes simply run or sprint onto the pitch from your entry hex.
The other features of the game are coaching dice and cards. Coaching dice are a limited pool of dice that you can discard during any action and simply add them to the number of dice you are rolling for that test. The cards off a range of effects. Many of them are held in your hand and allow you to give a player a free action (and a player can have 1 card action per turn on top of their 2 normal action limit). Most of the others are events which bring a permanent effect or modifier into play, though only the most recent event ever applies. The cards are also used to move the ref, randomise players and conduct "fan checks", fan checks allow you to gain more coaching dice during the game. As you can "buy" 1 card per turn as an action, use of cards is a central feature of trying to gain the upper hand.
Each race has a defined number of starting cards and dice.
There are also "star players" known as MVPs in the game, they look cool as models and on paper, but I've yet to try any myself.
And leagues?
Each team has a defined starting roster, which is the set of players you use in both one-off games and to start a league system with. This works quite well as it means teams start the league on a level playing field. I haven't experienced a league yet myself, but you can add additional players, increase the number of cards and coaching dice you have, add skills - all the things you expect to see.
The future?
Season 2 playtesting is well under way now. This will add the effects of coaches and cheerleaders to the game, as well as expand the league rules. It will also add more MVPs, and 4 more teams, slightly more exotic and with slightly steeper learning curves than the existing 4.
As I'm lucky enough to be in the playtest group for Season 2 I can't say much, but here's a summary of what you can find on the linked sites:
Zz'orr - insectoid aliens, playstyle info currently classified, but much like Earth's beloved cockroach they are hard to kill
Female humans - playstyle info currently classified
Judwan - alien pacifists, so no hitting the opposition
Robots - can transform from one player type to another
These teams do add an exciting new twist beyond the 4 "basic" teams in Season 1. Season 3 was also funded through the Kickstarter, so that's a further 4 teams coming, plus there are models (and eventually rules) coming for large multi-hex occupying models (Season 4?) and Xtreme which is an underground no-holds-barred variant on the game.
Anyway, I love the game, it's fast and exciting and combines tactical depth with easy-to-pick-up mechanics, so if you get the chance to try it, have a go!
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Post by: Groundh0g
Came home to mine today... didn't expect it to reach Australia so quickly. Very impressed by the models AND the acrylic pitch!
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Post by: Azazelx
Meh. Whiny guy on internet forum has entitlement complex. Par for the course really, isn't it?
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Post by: Riquende
I missed it on the Mantic forum yesterday, but reading it today it comes across as:
Warwick: "Moan moan moan, don't have my stuff, local players being mean, Mantic's fault, never backing them again"
Mantic Community: "Well, actually Mantic have done really well considering their problems, plus they never said you'd get it first, only in December. It's a bit silly to be whinging."
Warwick: "OMG THE INTERNET BULLIEZ!"
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Post by: Zweischneid
Well.
If Mantic had all those problems, why did they only affect the KS backers but not the retailers? Seems a bit odd.
Reading this, it doesn't seem like the problem is the delay. Everyone accepts that possibility with a KS. The problem appears to be a relative delay of KS-pledges over retailers. And problems in the supply chain cannot really explain that, as these problems would seem to hit the entire line equally, no matter where it ships to, no?
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Post by: Baragash
Zweischneid wrote:The problem appears to be a relative delay of KS-pledges over retailers. And problems in the supply chain cannot really explain that, as these problems would seem to hit the entire line equally, no matter where it ships to, no?
Items not in the basic box - the MVPs and the FF/VM teams - had not arrived when the first boxes had been made ready for release, so Mantic started shipping the boxes that didn't contain these items ie the basic box set.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Baragash wrote: Zweischneid wrote:The problem appears to be a relative delay of KS-pledges over retailers. And problems in the supply chain cannot really explain that, as these problems would seem to hit the entire line equally, no matter where it ships to, no?
Items not in the basic box - the MVPs and the FF/VM teams - had not arrived when the first boxes had been made ready for release, so Mantic started shipping the boxes that didn't contain these items ie the basic box set.
How were MVPs and the FF/VM Teams delayed, but not the boxes, when it allegedly was the printers and the packaging that let them down?
Baragash wrote:
Though they didn't publicise it, they were screwed by the same printer that screwed McVey on Sedition Wars and everything was meant to arrive already packed from China
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Post by: Skinnereal
My club's Cheerleader set arrived yesterday, with the extra MDF pitch and counters.
But, one of the boxes had 2 of 1 team and none of another. Luckilly, we're missing the one no-one else wanted, and another of the more popular one Mantic are fab!
i've not checked the models yet, but it all looked OK.
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Post by: Baragash
I didn't say the FF/VM/MVPs were delayed, I said they hadn't arrived.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Baragash wrote:I didn't say the FF/VM/MVPs were delayed, I said they hadn't arrived.
So if they weren't delayed, but as scheduled, than Mantic always planned for the Striker, etc.. stuff to go out after the boxes went to the retailers - printing hickups or no printing hickups.
Indeed, if it weren't for the printer problems, shops might have gotten it even earlier, but backers still on-time with the non-delayed MVPs,etc..?
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Post by: Riquende
Oh, keep up. It is well known that Mantic expected the Kickstarter copies of DB to arrive in the UK with all the extra pieces already packed, so they'd be able to send everything out at the same time. This didn't happen, and Mantic had to spend several weeks packing the Kickstarter copies with the extras before they could ship them out. This was compounded by further delays as the separate components (the additional teams and MVPs) did not only not turn up ready packed, but did not turn up until a week or so after the basic game.
So in summary, retailers weren't hit with this delay because there weren't any extras to pack in the box.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Baragash wrote:I didn't say the FF/VM/MVPs were delayed, I said they hadn't arrived.
Riquende wrote:Oh, keep up. It is well known [...] This was compounded by further delays as the separate components (the additional teams and MVPs)
It is well known? Baragash just said the MVPs weren't delayed. You said they were.
Baragash said they closed the warehouse to pack both retail and KS copies. You say the retail copies didn't need packing.
What is it?
Baragash wrote:So Mantic had to pack way over 2000 games themselves (1610 + 297 Striker pledges alone, plus other pledges including games + retailer copies) for which they closed their warehouse and didn't ship any other product out
Riquende wrote:
So in summary, retailers weren't hit with this delay because there weren't any extras to pack in the box.
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Post by: Riquende
What would they have to pack into the retail boxes? There aren't any extras included in them, they could just ship it straight out when it arrived. In fact, even the metal Wilcard that was sent with each retail box wasn't packed into it, just sent along in a bag with it.
The MVPs were delayed only in as much that they were supposed to be in the boxes when they arrived in the country and weren't. There was never a big box scheduled to turn up two weeks later, and Mantic didn't always plan for the KS to go out after the retail copies, like you're desparately suggesting.
You honstly don't seem stupid enough to believe the crap you keep posting, so at this point I'm just assuming you're trolling for some purpose and will gladly put you on ignore. Have fun!
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Post by: Baragash
Riquende, it is my understanding that everything arrived unpacked down to the level that the DB boxes themselves were flat and actually needed assembling - I have not however double-checked this.
Zwei - I didn't say the FF/VM/MVPs were on time either, all I said was they hadn't arrived at the point that the basic boxes were ready to go.
Riquende, Zwei's meta is to roam round the major forums playing devil's advocate most of the time, there's no point in getting wound up by it. If he wants to infer that the order of actions Mantic took to meet their promises on time to as many people as possible (they had promises to retailers too) as indication they'd have screwed KS backers if the circumstances had been different, well that's up to him. You can always go and amuse yourself by reading his attempts to justify Maelstrom's ethically (and maybe legally, we'll see) objectionable behaviour over on The Warhammer Forum if you've got time to kill.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Devil's advocate or not. Your story, as presented here, has some fairly obvious holes in it.
If you cannot convincingly explain it to me, without contradictions, why higher powers just happend to conspire in just such a way that it would hit Kickstarter-Backers, but not retailers, without ever a conscious decision being taken at Mantic to put a priority for retailers in there, how could you hope to convince people genuinely aggrieved about it?
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Post by: CptJake
I guess the thing that is important to me is:
Mantic never promised to deliver to kick starter backers before they delivered to retailers that I know if. They DID promise to meet a certain shipping date and have done so.
You can quibble about the right/wrongness of their decision to ship to retailers first, but they seemingly DID keep the promise they made.
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Post by: Black Nexus
Zweischneid, like sedition wars mantic go though an agent in china who sources all of the printers and packaging, and models, and get them all built up. the packagin and printers ****ed up so mantic sourced it locally in nottingham. the molds and figures were unaffected so had to be shipped in from china.
hence print came in whilst models were on a boat, thus ff/vm and mvps held up the KS, delayed as the agent was busy trying to fix both the print for sedition wars and mantic. not a coincidence that it's also the models for sedition wars that all holding that up, despite cmon showing pictures they have boxes in their warehouse which means they probably sourced it locally as well.
course then mantic had to package it all themselves, causing delay and retail originally was meant to be launched in October but was held back to ship with the kickstarters, meaning the print would have actually delayed the trade launch.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Black Nexus wrote:
course then mantic had to package it all themselves, causing delay and retail originally was meant to be launched in October but was held back to ship with the kickstarters, meaning the print would have actually delayed the trade launch.
What I said, no? If the print issue actually delayed the trade/retail launch, and it still happened before the KS-pledge shipping, than there never was a plan to ship/release retail and KS stuff simultaneously. Right?
Black Nexus wrote:
not a coincidence that it's also the models for sedition wars that all holding that up,
And by your description, it seems to be the exactly opposite problem of what's ailing Sedition Wars, if Sedition Wars has problems with the miniature, but Mantic has problems with the packaging?
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CptJake wrote:
You can quibble about the right/wrongness of their decision to ship to retailers first, but they seemingly DID keep the promise they made.
I don't quibble about the right/wrongness of their decision. I quibble with (or at least doubt) the claim that no such decision was ever made and retailers-first was just a "coincidence" of supply-chain issues outside their influence.
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Post by: Black Nexus
i'm saying both had problems with packaging and sorted it quickly, whilst still waiting for the miniatures to turn up on a boat, causing the delay. For the record, Mantic have never blamed packaging and print, only ever the MVPs. Sedition Wars models are still on a boat someplace, and will be delivered over a month late... maybe 2?
What I said, no? If the print issue actually delayed the trade/retail launch, and it still happened before the KS-pledge shipping, than there never was a plan to ship/release retail and KS stuff simultaneously. Right?
No, KS were meant to ship first. Retail was pushed back until the end of november, delaying it by a month over the original plan so they shipped the same time as KS. 300 KS were meant to ship in Jan but they reduced the number available to trade to make those 300 ship the same time as the other KS. The MVPs delayed the KS by a week or two, pushing them into december (and then assembly as well!) but retail, already delayed by a month had to ship in the last week of November. They all still went in the same shipping window, just trade turned up first, a significantly reduced number to what had to ship to Kickstarter.
What I'm saying is that if the KS hadn't happened, DreadBall was planned to launch in October but the packaging delay would also have delayed it to the end of November IMO. Ifs and buts though...
Regardless, it's all shipped now and plenty of people have the game so i'm looking forwards to getting some games in. I got what I pledged for... an improved game and get a load of cool toys, some of which other people won't have , in december ahead of christmas as a present for my son (which I'll also pay cuz he won't paint them).
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Post by: Rainyday
I got mine two days ago, and so far my only complaint was that I didn't get enough bases for everyone. Two of my MVPs are going baseless because I accidentally glued the coach and refbot down to bases before realizing I needed two more bases.
Does anyone know if Mantic will be selling dreadball bases at some point? I'm pretty sure I won't have enough even with the extra pack I ordered.
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Post by: squall018
Pretty sure they are. I believe they come in 10 packs but someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
As I understand the whole thing the MVP's were actually earlier then expected. Mantic made a concious decision to hold up on shipping the kickstarter rewards so that they could include the first 8 MVP's. The retail release although a week or so earlier didn't get the MVP's.
I got my copy yesterday, there was a nice big hole punched in the box but luckly nothing was damaged. I also apparently got a shirt that I don't remember pedgeing for.
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Bases come in packs of 48, it was possible to add on additional packs of bases through their pledge manager. count again and if your actually missing some bases let me know and I'll throw a few in the mail.
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Post by: Rainyday
 Catyrpelius wrote:
Bases come in packs of 48, it was possible to add on additional packs of bases through their pledge manager. count again and if your actually missing some bases let me know and I'll throw a few in the mail.
Ah, that's the problem.
4 10-man teams + 8 mvps + refbot + coach Renton = 50
I was right, my mistake was putting rebot and the coach on bases.
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Post by: Krinsath
You misread his post. He did not say retail didn't require packing, he said they did not require extras meaning the packing was quicker just as people who only ordered Jacks from the KickStarter got their's before Strikers (oh the travesty that people who spent less on the KS got them sooner! Torches and pitchforks!). Those extras, as has been well-explained already, were the reason the KS pledges went out as they did.
However, this was not secret knowledge. Even if you ignored the KS updates, a launch date of November 20th when all KS pledge levels estimated December delivery should have been clear enough. It's also worth noting that Mantic has met their end of the deal by delivering on-time/early, despite what those thumping their chests about lawsuits would have you believe. I've not heard of other KSers that were that successful managing the same.
As we have previously discussed, the KS did not fund the core game for Mantic. That was likely already in production when the KS launched. The MVPs and restic teams were the last items in, did not go into the retail boxes, and were some of the big improvements that we DID pay for via the KS. I'm just not seeing why you feel the need to try and paint Mantic as some sort of villain.
The worst the can really be accused of is not wanting to spend thousands of dollars/pounds to airmail an extra 2000 boxes to soothe some egos to then have to follow with the extras. They also could have sent everyone basic boxes, then held back the other teams and MVPs for the second shipment. Somehow the option that gets me less stuff and the option that costs Mantic an unreasonable amount of money seem less preferable to assuming your customers are human adults and can wait an extra couple of weeks for something better.
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Post by: judgedoug
Krinsath wrote:
However, this was not secret knowledge. Even if you ignored the KS updates, a launch date of November 20th when all KS pledge levels estimated December delivery should have been clear enough. It's also worth noting that Mantic has met their end of the deal by delivering on-time/early, despite what those thumping their chests about lawsuits would have you believe. I've not heard of other KSers that were that successful managing the same.
Additionally, the hundreds of backers whose pledges had a January 2013 delivery date are very very happy as they have their Dreadballs in time for Christmas. Mantic didn't just deliver on-time, they delivered early for those people.
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
I feel that Mantic went above and beyond on this Kickstarter. I pledged for a different Kickstarter in April with a delivery date of June. Guess what? It's December and I don't have what I pledged for still! Weather or not Mantic intentionally shipped to retailers first or not is not really the point. The point is that we all have our stuff well before the delivery date on the Kickstarter. Kudos to you Mantic!
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Post by: GrimmKey
Got mine in this week, got everyone shorn of the worst part of the sprues and flash. Now just to find some good superglue and figure out some paint schemes(Thinking my Veer-Myn Heap Kings are going to be yellow, green, and orange for their unis, still planning on my Orx/Gob XNOs.)
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Post by: Baragash
 Rainyday wrote: Catyrpelius wrote:
Bases come in packs of 48, it was possible to add on additional packs of bases through their pledge manager. count again and if your actually missing some bases let me know and I'll throw a few in the mail.
Ah, that's the problem.
4 10-man teams + 8 mvps + refbot + coach Renton = 50
I was right, my mistake was putting rebot and the coach on bases.
The teams were only meant to be 8-man but were mispacked with 10, that's why you're short. Not sure if that means anyone pledging for the alternate sculpts will get 4 or 6 models next year.
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Post by: The Strange Dude
Well had my first game (against a human opponent and I was teaching him) on tuesday and had an absolute blast. Orxs vs humans went down to the nail with a 4+ on the last action of the last rush deciding the game, humans won by 1 but lost out by having 3 fatalities (both guards and a striker). It was a learning experience both of us being blood bowl players it took some getting used to just how fast of a game it is. Biggest mistakes of the game was mine I played the first 12 rushes thinking my goblin jacks had a skill of 5+ not the 4+ they actually have (which makes the 4pt strike they achieved in the game even more impressive) and failing to get fan checks for the fatalities.
All in all impressed and can't wait to try it out again.
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Post by: RiTides
Nice, Strange Dude! I'd be interested in seeing a "battle report" of some games to see how it plays (or maybe it'd be called a play-by-play, with pics preferably )
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Post by: Triszin
i took some pictures of all the content in the box
it is pic heavy and i did not want to flood this pictures. "didnt know if i should?"
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/496104.page#5103491
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Does the box naturally come with 48 hex bases? I ask because I bought a set of 48, and my box only had 48, but some of the posts here make it sound like the box is supposed to come with enough hexes for all your players.
EDIT: Also, would Proxie Models' hex bases work on the Dreadball Pitch?
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Post by: porkuslime
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:Does the box naturally come with 48 hex bases? I ask because I bought a set of 48, and my box only had 48, but some of the posts here make it sound like the box is supposed to come with enough hexes for all your players.
EDIT: Also, would Proxie Models' hex bases work on the Dreadball Pitch?
Don't know yet.. just ordered a pack of Proxie hexes to find out.. will let you all know when I get them...
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Post by: wilycoyote
The Striker box comes with 48 clear bases, the issue is that they included and extra 2 minis per team that were packaged in the sets in error,
Cannot really complain as you are getting extras and anyway I had more ordered for when the Season 2 and Three teams make their appearance.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
No the striker package only comes with 48 free hex bases, just look at the striker graphic on the KS homepage
(they arn't in the basic game either)
They were introduced before the teams expanded and the MVP numbers ballooned
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Post by: RiTides
Nice pics but you should try putting them in the Dakka gallery instead, now that they're up. That way, you can post smaller versions in the thread (it automatically generates several sizes for posting, you usually want the Medium, I believe 640 x 480). As it is that page takes forever to load 
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Post by: Commander Cain
 RiTides wrote:
Nice pics but you should try putting them in the Dakka gallery instead, now that they're up. That way, you can post smaller versions in the thread (it automatically generates several sizes for posting, you usually want the Medium, I believe 640 x 480). As it is that page takes forever to load
Wait. How do we generate these smaller sizes? I have always been stuck posting huge pictures as I crop them before uploading so they end up huge!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:No the striker package only comes with 48 free hex bases, just look at the striker graphic on the KS homepage
(they arn't in the basic game either)
They were introduced before the teams expanded and the MVP numbers ballooned
So, then I should ask them about the additional 48 hex bases I bought that didn't show up...Or are they due in the second box?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I know I'm due more hex bases in the second shipment
(and they're on the list I got of stuff coming in the 2nd shipment that's on the invoice)
Have a look at your list and if they're missing drop mantic a line
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Post by: Buzzsaw
I did not buy additional hex bases, and my Striker! pledge came with two packages of hex bases (from that pledge level); so even if you ordered extras, I think you should have received the first alotment.
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Post by: RiTides
 Commander Cain wrote: RiTides wrote:
Nice pics but you should try putting them in the Dakka gallery instead, now that they're up. That way, you can post smaller versions in the thread (it automatically generates several sizes for posting, you usually want the Medium, I believe 640 x 480). As it is that page takes forever to load
Wait. How do we generate these smaller sizes? I have always been stuck posting huge pictures as I crop them before uploading so they end up huge!
After they're uploaded, view them in the gallery and you'll see a dropdown below it, for size and forum code
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Post by: Commander Cain
Ah! I see it now! I even looked after you mentioned it but my eyes skipped right past it. Thanks dude!
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Post by: nkelsch
Has anyone started painting these? I am having horrible issues with mold lines on these models across important details which are making me sad. Especially the mold line across the Orc left hand and nail. I am hoping the smallness of the models will hide the mold lines or damage to detail from cleaning, but I am very discouraged. Sometimes paint makes the flaws go away...
These strike me as 'board game' tokens, not to the standard of other miniature models. Even Triszin's photos show some nasty mold lines across detail which will be hard to remove.
I will spend the rest of the week inspecting and cleaning the models to see how much of an issue it is before I assemble anything with glue. I would have gladly waited to after christmas if the rushing had anything to do with the quality issues of the models.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
They look to be about the same quality as PP restics to me, so of course they are terrible. :V
Mine seem decent. Not perfect, but not as frustrating as my corporation models. Of course, I've only barely gotten started, so check back in a couple weeks.
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Post by: judgedoug
Maybe you got a bad batch? I got my Corporation team cleaned and assembled in 30 minutes. Almost no flash.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I have not had good luck with restic. I often end up doing a lot of unbending, cutting down tabs or joins, and spend way too long trying to get it to glue right.
But Mantic's is still much better than PP's in my experience, even if I still have three corporate types I just can't get around to.
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Post by: RiTides
My most recent PP restic models (Mountain King and Lightning Troll) are absolutely excellent. But I feel like the material lends itself to larger models better. Hoping my Nameless turn out fine despite the scale.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Fairly sure that the Mountain king is resin, and not Restic.
Or at the very least its not the same 'plastic' as the starter boxes and seems much closer to Wehrcast.
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Post by: nkelsch
BobtheInquisitor wrote:I have not had good luck with restic. I often end up doing a lot of unbending, cutting down tabs or joins, and spend way too long trying to get it to glue right.
This also seemed to bother me, as while I was cleaning mold lines, I was noticing very sloppy 'breaks' from the sprue which left damage on the model which shows they were not done with 'snips' just broken and twisted off. Personally, I like removing models from the sprue as I can take care to make it clean. While most of the break points seem to be on the Base, it may not be an issue, but with a round disc which I will have to 'paint' already going on a clear hex base, the point of the clear base is defeated and awkward.
I have also noticed when I tried to dry-fit models with their parts, the tabs often did not fit. I cannot get any of the orc heads into the orc neckslot. Some of the arm tabs for the goblins and humans also do not fit. I will probably need to do lots of shaving down. It is as if the material expanded and now the parts don't fit.
I am getting really discouraged over the quality issues with these models and I have only scratched the surface. I hope maybe I just got a bad human/orc batch and the rats and dwarves and MVPs there are less issues.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Strange - all my tabs/connectors fit quite well. Everything's assembled and primed already and of all the small issues I had, the tabs and breaking points were not one.
Flash was another issue. Especially the veermyn had mold lines running parralel to each other (really, how many pieces did that mold come in ?!?) and I did have to take a lot of care to not obliterate detail when removing flash, yes.
...detail is still better than conventional hard plastic models would have had; what little detail I couldn't save would have been the detail which a steel mold wouldn't produce in the first place (eg. on the sides of the model etc.) I think.
Bending wasn't much of an issue; I repositioned our nameless mvp friend because I didn't like the look of himleaning back that muchbut that's about it.
Generally speaking yeah, there's a couple of issues. Nothing I didn't expect at, what is at msrp, ~$3/model. It might take a little work (and really mantic, those orc guards? A little consideration in mold line placement would hve been nice - those took ages to fix!) but generally it works, and it works well.
...for someone with modeling experience, that is. Selling this to a "I hate glue/paint" type of board gamer, well, I'd say it'd be a daunting task for him. Then again, that's the kind of guy who really wouldn't care about mold lines in the first place so maybe it'll all work out fine, I guess
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Post by: nkelsch
 Bolognesus wrote:
...for someone with modeling experience, that is. Selling this to a "I hate glue/paint" type of board gamer, well, I'd say it'd be a daunting task for him.
Yeah, I would have to say this is going to blow the lids off 'non-modeling' gamers the way SDE did. And they changed their model to pre-assemble the models in future boxes. (not saying that is required or should be done, but it does depend on the audience)
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Post by: Bolognesus
nkelsch wrote: Bolognesus wrote:.
...for someone with modeling experience, that is. Selling this to a "I hate glue/paint" type of board gamer, well, I'd say it'd be a daunting task for him.
Yeah, I would have to say this is going to blow the lids off 'non-modeling' gamers the way SDE did. And they changed their model to pre-assemble the models in future boxes. (not saying that is required or should be done, but it does depend on the audience)
Well, to be fair none of the assembly was actually 'hard' to do, nor would it have taken me either a knife, file, or clippers if I hadn't cared about flash etc, so it's not quite SDE level bad (I remember HBMC fulminating about how hard some of those models were to put together for experienced modelers; that's not something you'll find here.
And anyway, with some of CMoN's stuff the paradigm for 'premium' board games is shifting towards 'some assembly required' anyway.
...I still think Mantic would have done well to supply different teams in different colors of restic, though. Hell, we prime it anyway and the non-modelling/painting board gamers would have had a way easier time with the game that way.
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Post by: RiTides
Cyp- Maybe you're right! In which case I guess only the Storm Troll (not Lightning Troll, although I keep calling it that) is the only one that's relevant. It's Much chunkier than I expect the Dreadball models to be, though, so probably easier to get right.
Looking forward to pics from those of you who have received your models
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Post by: wilycoyote
Ah well , finally got my hands on my prezzie yesterday and everything is ready to go. Apart from some re-bending for the Vermyn - two were nearly fat - not much cleaning up except for where the figures were taken off the sprue - by twisting?. Everything went together in a straight fowardway and using a little grey stuff in the joints allowed for a little variation without to much pain.
Everything has just been washed in soapy water an ready to be primed when they have dried.
The figures are nice if not spectacular but I am tired of people saying they are small, no they are in scale its GW's horrible "heroics" that put everyone out. Once painted I know they will look fine on table
Still to fix up the MVP's but Wildcard is the one disappointment and I am considering an overhaul, either bending where possible or some resculpting of my own - sorry the pose just does not work. John Doe is nice but I might tweak the outstretched arms a little to have them clutching slightly as they look a bit static at the moment .
All in all I think DB is great value figure wise but the game is really what counts and having got a dozen games in now - thanks to my mate's set - it is everything I had hoped for fast tactical and exciting to the end - most of our games have gone down to the last one or two rushes so far.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Well, I guess my review will be much of the same stuff. I was a little disappointed with the plastic they used, it seems fairly low quality and is much like plastics in any other board game where they are merely playing pieces as a pose to good sculpted models.
Assembly was also a surprise, not everything is just snap-fit (which one would expect for a board game). Glue is necessary as are clippers which could be quite off putting to a non-wargamer.The lack of any kind of assembly guide also had even myself confused for a moment.
The box itself looks very professional with a nice shiny front, it did have a couple of serious bashes in the side but that does not bother me. Poster was nice, though a gloss finish would have really made it nice.
Overall, the game plays well, models are nicely detailed despite the mold lines which take a significant amount of effort to remove, even Wildcard looks really good in person, pose works for me anyway! All the freebies were great except the trophy thing which looks like it was sculpted in 5 minutes.
I think with a good lick of paint this can be a really great looking game!
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Post by: nkelsch
wilycoyote wrote: not much cleaning up except for where the figures were taken off the sprue - by twisting?.
I am super annoyed by this particular issue. This is quite possibly the most damaging and unreasonable way to get models off a sprue. You can leave a divet of damage on the model this way.
Can they really not afford 2$ snips to cut the plastic off the sprue?
The worst thing about the clear bases is that one of the edges has a giant destroyed mark from where some fo the bases were twisted off the sprue opposed to snipped.
I expect that from 'board game' tokens, not modeling miniatures. If they were going to be tokens, at least they could have done is make them in team colors so you can easily play without paint and treat them like tokens.
I finally finished cleaning the flash off the orcs and Humans, now I am on to my Veermyn which have horrible lines on the tails and are all in need of 're-bending'. I feel like I cannot repair the tails without losing detail which is making me upset.
I haven't even attempted to consider mold release agent. Can someone confirm if these need to be washed and to what degree?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I'd always wash anything before painting mould release agent or not as your fingers can put enough oil on things while cleaning them up to make painting less effective.
Just ordinary dishwashing detergant in warm water should be fine.
I found the tails on the veermyn responded very well to scraping with a SHARP hobby knife and easily cleaned up with no loss of detail
(although the degree of flash did vary and if your tails had as much as I saw on one of my Orx it wouldn't work)
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looking at the marks on some of mine I'm not sure if they were twisted off (except the hex bases),
I think the machine pulled/cut them off while the plastic was still not fully set
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Post by: nkelsch
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I'd always wash anything before painting mould release agent or not as your fingers can put enough oil on things while cleaning them up to make painting less effective.
Good point, I usually don't wash plastic models, but I suppose it can't hurt 'post assembly' to give them a good wash before priming. As long as I know I don't have to wrestle with really extreme release agent, it is all good.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Commander Cain wrote:Well, I guess my review will be much of the same stuff. I was a little disappointed with the plastic they used, it seems fairly low quality and is much like plastics in any other board game where they are merely playing pieces as a pose to good sculpted models.
prime them and start painting. Really, both for mantic and PP their restic looks bad until you start painting. it holds quite a lot of detail - more than most polystyrene sprued kits from GW for example. It just has a nasty 'shine' to it which can be quite misleading in that regard!
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Post by: Catyrpelius
nkelsch wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I'd always wash anything before painting mould release agent or not as your fingers can put enough oil on things while cleaning them up to make painting less effective.
Good point, I usually don't wash plastic models, but I suppose it can't hurt 'post assembly' to give them a good wash before priming. As long as I know I don't have to wrestle with really extreme release agent, it is all good.
Your best of washing every model before painting, its a good habit to get into.
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Post by: porkuslime
 porkuslime wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:Does the box naturally come with 48 hex bases? I ask because I bought a set of 48, and my box only had 48, but some of the posts here make it sound like the box is supposed to come with enough hexes for all your players.
EDIT: Also, would Proxie Models' hex bases work on the Dreadball Pitch?
Don't know yet.. just ordered a pack of Proxie hexes to find out.. will let you all know when I get them...
And.. I have the Proxie Hex bases in hand.. the Dreadball clear hex bases sit well right on top of the Proxie bases. There is a tiny lip to the hex bases, and the Dreadball clear bases fit EXACTLY inside that rim. It is scary how well they are compatible.
It will be a day or 2 before I can take a picture through.. sorry on the delay.
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Post by: RiTides
Looking forward to the pic, thanks for the info porkuslime
(And how dare you not be able to immediately take a pic over the holiday week )
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Post by: porkuslime
For you, RiTides.. I stayed awake to take the photos..
I think I will be using a bunch of these hex bases to make my own custom pitches..
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Post by: RiTides
Sweet, thanks for the pics!
And using them to make a custom pitch is a great idea... at Proxie Models' prices, it's even one of the more affordable ways to do it
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Alright, I'll own up to my mistake. I was ...mostly wrong about Wildcard. Mostly.
That's about as far as I'm willing to go on this apology.
The pose actually does look dynamic and make sense in real life, even if her left arm is still a little low. (I plan to fix it with hot water.) Her torso looks fine, with a fully functioning spine. The throwing arm is actually quite well done, and from the proper angle her pose looks like one Stan Lee himself would have approved. She's one of the few models with a pose as dynamic as I like, thanks to the book How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way ruining me on "normal" and "possible" heroic stances.
Which just goes to show that Mantic needs a real photographer. And a better painter. The online photos of Wildcard misrepresented her sculpt on the same level as GW's 'Eavy Metal team's work on the Minotaurs. I'm talking "corporate wonders why this line was never successful" levels of failure here.
Anyway, I apologize for all the crap I've given the Wildcard sculptor over the months.
Now, I just need my Buzzcut model so these crazy kids can finally get their 'ship a-sailing!
Buzzcut and Wildcard forevez!
Buzzard!
Kawaii!
^__________________^
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Post by: cincydooley
I know this is a Mantic thread for dreadball, but Cyp-- did your storm troll feel like it was made of a different restic than some of the previous stuff ? I also picked up a new restic pyre troll, and it definitely feels different.
Thanks to everyone for the updates on this. I was considering picking this up but some of the valid criticisms here are swaying me otherwise. Appreciate that :-)
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Post by: RiTides
Cincy, I'm the opposite- I was considering Not getting it, and the good reviews have swayed me some the other way...
I'm not sure if Cyp has the Storm troll but I do will compare when I get the chance.
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Post by: cincydooley
RiTides wrote:Cincy, I'm the opposite- I was considering Not getting it, and the good reviews have swayed me some the other way...
I'm not sure if Cyp has the Storm troll but I do will compare when I get the chance.
I've read some solid reviews about the game, but I just keep seeing issues regarding the minis. :-/
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Post by: Pacific
Minis are really nice, just putting my humans and orx together now and they fit easily with very little flash or scraping needed - did pretty much the whole box in an hour and even did a little bit of chopping of arms so there would be a bit more variation in the poses
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Post by: CptJake
Pacific wrote:Minis are really nice, just putting my humans and orx together now and they fit easily with very little flash or scraping needed - did pretty much the whole box in an hour and even did a little bit of chopping of arms so there would be a bit more variation in the poses
Where are the pictures?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
My orx guard have problems with their neck tabs. Clipping them off works, and lets me pose their heads differently, but it's still a bit weird how the tab and slot don't look at all alike.
The Forgefathers were great. They fit together beautifully and only the Jacks had any flash problems. Same thing with the MVPs.
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Post by: Krinsath
I had no issues at all with assembly. Only wrinkle was the Orx have two nearly identical looking heads that go in completely different angles (one looks left, the other right). The rest of it was pretty much "only one thing fits here properly" so even without directions (which would have been nice mind you), it wasn't hard at all. The overall look of the models is nice, and they paint up about as well as GW plastics. Some clever modeling on the humans means that the Jacks and Strikers can all be subtly different from each other.
Some mould lines are troublesome, but as bad of a painter as I am, that will be the least of their issues. Overall I'm quite happy with the product.
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Post by: wilycoyote
Just an observation as it really is not too much of an issue to me as I was always planning to use the clear bases anyway, but does anyone else feel that the Vermyn models are a little front heavy? To get them to stand by themselves I would have had to bend them a liittle more upright that sort of loses the dynamic pose intended.
I wonder if this is something to do with the bases on the models being smaller than the slot on the clear base. It would suggest the original intention may have been larger model bases - I am sure on one video Ronnie clicked the model in and out of a clear base. Did anyone get any original metals and if so was the base size larger?
Just curious....
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The veermyn strikers generally NEED their hex bases, and I'm not sure it would be any different even if their inbuilt base was large enough to fill the whole of the hex base void.
My guess is Ronnie was using a prototype hex base in the video that had an overhang to 'grab' with, but that turned out not to be possible when they went to the metal moulds.
I quite like the look of the Veermyn though, as I think the 'almost falling over' look matches their background of high speed, low skill players
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Post by: wilycoyote
Sounds reasonable.
I agree about the pose, they do give a great impression of "skittering" forward with loads of speed but limited control
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Post by: adamsouza
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-the-futuristic-sports-game/posts/472302?ref=activity
Season 2 Shipping Update; Z'zor; Teratons Spotted!
Update #110 · May 5, 2013 · 11 comments
Judging by the comments we’re seeing Season 2 packages turning up all over the world! Fantastic news!
The guys in the warehouse have been extremely busy picking and packing orders – a sterling effort from our team!
This means that your Season 2 models will be with you shortly. Make sure you keep an eye out for the postman!
Z’zor
Some of you have noticed that your Z’zor team bag have one extra Guard and one less Jack than what makes up a starting team. We’re sorry to say that a mold issue has caused this error.
For most of you the 2 extra figures you get at Striker should cover the missing figure in your starting line-up - however we have our manufacturer casting lots of single Z’zor Jacks and we will be shipping them out with your 3rd shipment, ensuring you get your missing figure.
We’re sorry for the inconvenience.
Teraton Team
The Teraton Team sculpts were spotted at this year’s Salute.
These figures are from Stewart Gibbs’ personal collection and are not the official paint scheme and have not been painted by our painting studio (so be nice!)
Image taken from Riquende's Wargaming Blog
You can see more pics from Salute in this slideshow put together by Matt Gilbert.
Speaking of Teratons… if you like your sci-fi tabletop games then the Teratons makes an appearance in our new Deadzone game – complete with wrist mounted machinegun, flamethrower and combat blades!
The Z’zor have me particularly excited. They look great and give me a warm fuzzy feeling about their future in Warpath
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Post by: timetowaste85
Have people in the US started getting their season 2 stuff yet? I'm waiting excitedly by the mailbox.
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Post by: CptJake
 timetowaste85 wrote:Have people in the US started getting their season 2 stuff yet? I'm waiting excitedly by the mailbox.
I sure have not gotten mine. Not even a shipping notice.
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Post by: DaveC
There are no shipping notices (unless you paid for courier was that an option on Dreadball?) it just turns up at your door by the regular postal service.
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Post by: Krinsath
I have not received mine either, though hearing from others that I don't need to start worrying yet is nice.
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Post by: timetowaste85
I just wanted to check in since it sounds like our maple-syrup drenched brothers to the north have gotten theirs already, but it's probably US customs bogging us down.
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Post by: adamsouza
I received my DreadBall Season 2 stuff yesterday.
No notice, just a big white padded envelope.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Nice. I only live a couple hundred miles from you, so mine should be in soon.
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Post by: Krinsath
And I in turn live only a couple hundred miles from you! The Dakka chain will remain strong!
Envelope though, suppose that means checking the mailbox instead of the front porch...
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Post by: Jerram
Just got mine in, although I'm missing "Gabe"
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Post by: DaveC
Just on Gabe as I haven't seen it posted here Gabe is a metal miniature which surprised me they either didn't sell enough to make it restic or there's to much detail and metal worked better.
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Post by: Baragash
 DaveC wrote:Just on Gabe as I haven't seen it posted here Gabe is a metal miniature which surprised me they either didn't sell enough to make it restic or there's to much detail and metal worked better.
I assume as it's KS exclusive they aren't selling enough for Restic, so unlike the normal MVPs no future sales.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Huzzah! I got my stuff before the US.
Everything is very nice indeed, while the models do still require a lot of cleanup the result is satisfying. My favorite sculpt so far has to be Gabe, very detailed and true to the concept art, the robots are also excellent.
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Post by: adamsouza
I'm happy with them in general.
I would have loved a piece of paper with reference photos on how to assemble them though.
On a side note, were we not supposed to get our extra season 1 figures with season 2, or was that pushed back all the way to season 3 ?
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Post by: Triple9
Finishing up the season 1 teams got pushed to season 3. I'm a bit north of Boston, so hopefully get mine in the next day or so.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
How big are these figures? True 28mm? Any got comparison shots? I've went through quite a few pages of this thread to no avail...
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ That's because there's another thread for this, this one is supposed to be locked/archived as per dakka's policy on kickstarter threads.
Here's the thread with the bulk of the post-kickstarter discussion:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/502957.page
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Post by: Azazelx
Got my Season 2 package today. I thought I'd gotten the coaches, but apparently not. The figures all look okay, though they're hard to see if any have issues inside the baggies (and there are so many baggies, I won't be opening them till I'm assembling and painting them). I've opened and started to assemble one of my Buzzcut models - very well sculpted - and he could stylistically be either an Ork or an Ogre. I'll probably do this one more Ogrish, and the second one I'll swap a 40k or Kromlech/Maxmini/etc Orc head in with a spiky shoulderpad or something. The pose isn't the best (he does look a little like he's doing the Skinhead Moonstomp!), and as I've just assembled him, I've found that he's also totally incapable of standing up on the silly little mantic disc-base. I'll have to mount him on a slotta with blu-tac for painting.
Anyway, he's outside now, with his primer drying.
They sent me 3 of Michael Judwan and only 1 of Helga (supposed to be 2/2) so I emailed Stewart to get it sorted out.
The rulebook is good quality. The cover could stand to be a touch thicker, and the artwork a touch smaller, but it's a very good, very professional looking set of rules.
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Post by: reds8n
Locking as this is all over, see the link above for follow up posts.
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