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Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 14:49:25


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


The links just up on the KS comments if you want to look

I'm not linking direct as too many folk will glance and go

'that's not a complete board' and never bother looking again, LOL


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 15:55:52


Post by: adamsouza





Please remember this is just a prototype and not the actual board! We'll show this off next week (hopefully!) The actual board is going to have the full rush track, score track, sin bin and subs bench so you can use it as a complete second pitch. The grid and all of the markings are etched so when you paint it, you'll still see them



This looks better than the acrylic board to me. I think it's cheaper and easier to produce the full rectangle board with the extras etched in that it would be to cut the boards out into that shape I'm willing to bet whoever is manufacturing them suggested it.

In any case I'm in for a MDF board.

I'm not linking direct as too many folk will glance and go 'that's not a complete board' and never bother looking again, LOL


I have ZERO problem with that. That will make owning one that much sweeter.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 16:11:58


Post by: judgedoug


wait, that's only $25?!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 16:19:40


Post by: adamsouza


judgedoug wrote:
wait, that's only $25?!


Actually, an EVEN BETTER VERSION will only be $25.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 16:32:41


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Two more MVP shadows have shown up on the homepage

future stretches ?



that one looks like a Judwan to me



but no idea on the race here


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 16:35:02


Post by: Buzzsaw


Egads, it's the Green Goblin! Run Spidey!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 16:38:46


Post by: judgedoug


 adamsouza wrote:
judgedoug wrote:
wait, that's only $25?!


Actually, an EVEN BETTER VERSION will only be $25.


pledge upped! if it's got all the jazz the board does, then striker plus the mdf board is basically two sets of the game.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 17:04:35


Post by: Alpharius


 Buzzsaw wrote:
Egads, it's the Green Goblin! Run Spidey!


If he has ghost AND pumpkin bombs, goblin sparks, razor bats... I'm in for sure!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 17:26:17


Post by: adamsouza


 Buzzsaw wrote:
Egads, it's the Green Goblin! Run Spidey!


I saw the silhouette and thought Wolverine.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 18:24:33


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Space Jam


Update #36 · Sep. 14, 2012 · 9 comments

With just over two weeks left to go we’re now approaching the quarter of a million dollars mark – a truly exceptional amount. With that in mind we really wanted to say thank you, so we’ve put together two new stretch goals…

$242,500 – Mee-kel Judwan, Superstar Sportsman – Season 2 MVP
What is there to say about this Superstar Sportsman other than if we hit this goal, we’ll sculpt him and include him free with Jack and Striker!



Mee-Kel Judwan - Cool, calm and collected!

$250,000 – Full Roster
This is a truly monumental milestone and we’re going to take this opportunity to upgrade your rewards with loads more figures. If we hit this goal, we will do the following…

1) At Guard ($30) – in addition to the digital copy of the Season 2 rules already included, we will add the Season 2 teams to the list of what you can pick from and add a free MVP to every team chosen at this level.

2) At Keeper ($80) – we will complete your team roster and add in eight models, making for a total of 14 Corporation and 14 Marauders! We will also add a DreadBall Decal sheet with four sets of numbers 1-14 in four different fonts, making Keeper worth over $120.



3) At Jack ($100) – In addition to all of the extras included in Jack, we will add in nine models – 4 Corporation Players and 4 Marauder Players to complete your team rosters, as well as 1 Female Corporation Player (so eventually you'll get one of every player from Season 2!). Couple this with all of the MVPs you've got and you’ll be spoilt for choice as to what you actually play with in your team! We’ll also add the decal sheet, making Jack worth around $200.

4) At Striker! ($150) – We will complete the rosters of all four teams, adding in twelve new models – 2 Corporation, 2 Marauders, 4 Veer-myn and 4 Forge Fathers – and a decal sheet to make Striker! worth over $300!

Once we've completed your team rosters, we’ll do the Z’zor (where you’ll get one Z’zor in Jack, two in Striker and we’ll make the team available as part of the Buy One Get One Free!)

Please help us spread the word - the more backers that support us now, the quicker we can add more free models in!

And if that's enough...

We’ve done some tidy-ups to the main page today, introducing new graphics and making all of the MVPs available so as add-ons (we’ve hit our character limit on the main page too so I’m sure you’ll appreciate more photos of cool minis and less waffle!) Here's an exampl... oh, I wonder who that could be?



Anyway, we’ve also taken the opportunity to include the Referee and some extra Balls as an add-on as well!

Happy hunting >


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 18:47:07


Post by: scarletsquig


The $250k goal is all kinds of absolute awesome!

8/9/12 new minis for keeper/jack/striker pledge levels, free MVPs for guard, it's basically just a heaping great massive pile of minis added to all pledge levels.

Also, the core rules have now been made available as a free download (20 pages out of the 88-page rulebook):

http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e62f0c35454fa3ba687404d69/files/DreadBall_Core_Rules.1.pdf?utm_source=Mantic+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=30af116faf-Mantic_Games_Newsletter_DreadBall_8&utm_medium=email

Also, Zz'or concept art!



Tons of news on this today!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 19:37:21


Post by: Souleater


Must. Resist.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 19:41:16


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


surrender

surrender to the dread side


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 22:01:23


Post by: Black Nexus


wow 12 new models into striker and 9 into jack is pretty impressive.

with aliens bugs and robots I'm not sure this could get much better and im super excited to play it.

has everyone here pledged?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/14 22:20:44


Post by: judgedoug


Yeah. This and Low Life are eating all of my moneys.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 00:11:57


Post by: Azazelx


There we go. Hopefully then in another few stretches they fill out the Season 2 teams as well.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 00:28:25


Post by: adamsouza


 Souleater wrote:
Must. Resist.


Resistance is futile.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 06:31:45


Post by: AlexHolker


 scarletsquig wrote:
Also, the core rules have now been made available as a free download (20 pages out of the 88-page rulebook):

Something that stood out is that the ability to catch the ball is not strictly better than the inability to catch the ball. Forcing the player to try to pick up the ball (and causing a turnover if they fail) means that sometimes a Guard can handle the ball better (forcing the ball to scatter out of an opponent's tackle zones) than a Keeper or other player (moving into the hex, failing the pickup, causing a turnover).


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 07:03:12


Post by: Grot 6


What is the sweet spot pledge level for this one?

I miss Mutant League football, and hockey. I have a few other people really interested in this.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 07:32:08


Post by: Souleater


 Black Nexus wrote:


has everyone here pledged?


TLR - I will probably make a small pledge at the basic level.

I haven't yet. Although I'd really like to. My gaming budget is £60/mnth plus what I make on eBay so I should be careful on my spending.

(I've then backed Planetary Annihilation for more than I sensibly should have to get miniature commanders and Alpha access. Bought some Cryx (but got an army for less than 33% retail) and really, really should spend that £190 in my gaming fund pot on a new graphics card before mine finally goes to Silicon Heaven.)

I dithered the whole month about Sedition Wars then jumped in quite literally at the last second. If both projects were running side by side I would have gone with Dreadball without doubt. SWs looks good but it is another sci-fi wargame. I've debated cancelling my pledge but a) I would feel really bad breaking a promise and b) I'm hoping that the mechanics such as the nano-swarms, etc really make the horror survival schtick work. I have been a little disappointed with the WiP shots of Studio McVey so far. I'm so used to seeing their finished resin boutque stuff...

Previously I've been very critical about Mantic for largely making poor 'copies' of GW's. I felt that with the Forge guys and Vyr-mnn they were largely just pandering to the old-guard. I dislike everything else they have produced so far! However, with Dreadball the quality of the sculpting has visibly improved...well apart from the Corporation Team which hopefully is just suffering from a rushed paint job. I'm still not too sure about their originality but I think most ideas these days have pretty much already been done - so it comes down to how well Mantic make their version of e.g. Ratmen, and how original and interesting their background is.

So, Mantic have gone up a lot in my estimation with this Kickstarter.

Hmm...looking over the last two paragraphs it seems Mantic could only go up in my estimation while McVey would have to deliver the kind of utter perfection likely to cause the implosion of the universe. Not fair on either company.

I've talked to the guys at my gaming club plus a few mates who game. Unfortunately, a number of people can't see past 'fantasy race sport = bloodbowl" However, there are a couple of others who are interested - sadly not enough to put any cash up front with me.

I wouldn't feel too bad pitching in for, say, the Forgefathers and Marauders because I really like those sculpts (and i'd love to paint the FF up in a metallic scheme) and a board to trial the game with people. Ideally, I'd like to try and run a league for this.

Yet I am a sucker for those damn sweet spot deals. I keep looking at Striker! with all the goodies...luckily for me only one of the MVPs is Limited Edition so I could pick the rest up later...and thinking that if I can get the game off the ground hear I'd have a lot of useful stuff to use. Possibly sell of a couple of teams that I didn't need to get others into the game (not that they look that expensive). But it is a lot for a game I haven't played yet....


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 07:55:41


Post by: coyotius


 Grot 6 wrote:
What is the sweet spot pledge level for this one?

I miss Mutant League football, and hockey. I have a few other people really interested in this.


I believe it's $190 for just the miniatures right now:

Striker $150
Goalies $15
Female Corp Team $25 (Gets you Judwan team "free")

Obviously this can go up as more teams roll out...expect another $25 to get the next two teams plus probably some more if you want to upgrade them to hex bases.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 12:13:36


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


We've just unlocked Mee-Kel, the Judwan Jumper MVP

so onto the mega freebie unlock at 250K

only $7500 to go so hopefully we'll get it later today!

And the concept art for the Z'zor striker is up for consultation, so if you want to influence things head over to the comments



Edit: they have 4 arms! which is extra cool (even though I missed the small 2nd pair at first glance and had to have them pointed out to me!)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 12:22:13


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Well it has 4 arms, I would like to see manipulators in the lower section, not sure on the asymmetrical claws, but it was pointed out it may be a dreadball glove, then it is ok.

Not sure is it would benefit from an S shaped posture.



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 12:23:43


Post by: Commander Cain


Hmm, not a fan, I think it is the head that puts me off. It could also be the fact that it shares far too many characteristics with many of the models and sketches by Mantic. They all seem to be tall, slender and even the armour/scales on it look like that worn by the humans and Judwan. I will ponder for a bit and come back with some more constructive criticism and not just say what I don't like after some breakfast!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 12:27:02


Post by: AlexHolker


I think D&D's Thri-Kreen are a better take on the concept aesthetically.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 12:49:32


Post by: Bolognesus


 Commander Cain wrote:
Hmm, not a fan, I think it is the head that puts me off. It could also be the fact that it shares far too many characteristics with many of the models and sketches by Mantic. They all seem to be tall, slender and even the armour/scales on it look like that worn by the humans and Judwan. I will ponder for a bit and come back with some more constructive criticism and not just say what I don't like after some breakfast!


of course the armour looks like that of the humans and Judwan; it's regulation dreadball armour. I'd be surprised if there weren't some similarities...
go read up on John Doe's backstory; it seems those regulations are rather inflexible.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 13:00:36


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 AlexHolker wrote:
I think D&D's Thri-Kreen are a better take on the concept aesthetically.


I'd agree the pose looks a bit static, but hopefully that will change for the actual sculpts

(although doing them as single piece castings that seems to be the way they're going will limit it somewhat)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 13:05:36


Post by: adamsouza


 coyotius wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
What is the sweet spot pledge level for this one?

I miss Mutant League football, and hockey. I have a few other people really interested in this.


I believe it's $190 for just the miniatures right now:

Striker $150
Goalies $15
Female Corp Team $25 (Gets you Judwan team "free")

Obviously this can go up as more teams roll out...expect another $25 to get the next two teams plus probably some more if you want to upgrade them to hex bases.


Striker $150
All 4 Season 2 Teams $50
Keepers $15 ( Mind you keepers are an upgrade to a guard requiring some sort of campaign advancement, so not really needed, but cool looking)
MDF Board $25 (Full version of the game board laser etched into MDF)
Hex Bases x2 or 4 $8 or $16 (you get 44 to start, but striker is up to like 58 models, not counting the season 2 teams (40 figures atm), and they keep adding MVPs)



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 13:08:40


Post by: Commander Cain


Bolognesus wrote:
 Commander Cain wrote:
Hmm, not a fan, I think it is the head that puts me off. It could also be the fact that it shares far too many characteristics with many of the models and sketches by Mantic. They all seem to be tall, slender and even the armour/scales on it look like that worn by the humans and Judwan. I will ponder for a bit and come back with some more constructive criticism and not just say what I don't like after some breakfast!


of course the armour looks like that of the humans and Judwan; it's regulation dreadball armour. I'd be surprised if there weren't some similarities...
go read up on John Doe's backstory; it seems those regulations are rather inflexible.


Oops! I was under the impression that it was not wearing armour, in that case I am fine with it.

Maybe if it was more hunched over and less bipedal it would have a more insect-like appearance. I think it would go a long way to making them seem much more alien.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 17:59:55


Post by: scarletsquig


Yeah, they'll be going with a more insect-like pose when they get some more concept art made.

Agree that it's a bit too "guy in a rubber suit" at the moment, ideally the middle set of limbs need to be functional and larger rather than just looking like some human glued a pair to his hips.

I've tidied up the OP, should be a lot easier to find the useful info with it now.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 22:18:21


Post by: Black Nexus


TLR - I will probably make a small pledge at the basic level.

^^ huh?

thanks for the update Scarletsquig.

i think more legs would make it look slow and be difficult to fit on a base without looking stupid or small. has anyone posted their thoughts over on the update page?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 22:27:11


Post by: Commander Cain


I was about to suggest they hunch the model a bit but someone had beat me to it! Guess I might as well go over there and agree with them though...

I agree though, more legs would make it look far less agile not to mention that they would never fit on the little round disc they come with!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 22:42:40


Post by: scarletsquig


I'm not sure what you mean by "stupid" or "small" there, they already look out of place on the concept as it is, the extra legs are just dangling from the hips.

The legs don't have to touch the ground, they just have to look like they belong on the miniature (also, wow, preying mantises have some really freaky proportions):



Still standing on the back legs, there, but with the middle set of legs in more of a supporting pose that suggests they could be used for climbing/ grappling or moving at speed, even though 2 legs are the default stance and are used for walking slowly.

That's what I mean by a more horizontal pose and making the middle legs look like they're a real and functional part of the alien.

Also, if they get made bipedal because the minis won't stand up correctly on their little round disc bases with a cooler and more dynamic design, then the correct solution is "Add hex bases to the zz'or box so that they can stand up" not "Compromise the design and style of the miniatures based on an arbitrary and easily-fixed manufacturing constraint".

GW hormagaunts stand up no problem at all and they only have have the tip of a single claw touching their bases.

On the plus side, I do really like the head, and the claws on the concept.. it's really just the middle legs and overall posing that need work.. the kickstarter comments are pretty unanimous on this point.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 22:49:00


Post by: PsychoticStorm


And are a nightmare to rank up or place near models.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 23:04:48


Post by: scarletsquig


^ All depends on how the miniature is weighted.

In the case of preying mantises, the abdomen is the largest part, so you could have the bulk of the "sticking out part" being at the rear as a counterweight and still have a mostly horizontal pose with the front rearing up to make sure that it isn't a complete nightmare as far as positioning goes. There are smart ways of designing around that issue that I'm sure Roberto/Remy can handle.

I'm a big fan of "rule of cool" dynamic minis in any game that doesn't involve ranking things up warhammer-fantasy style.

The Judwan are currently my favourite team simply because those poses are extremely cool and dynamic.

The Corporation Striker is brilliant for the same reason, there's a great sense of movement in that miniature, whereas I find the FF/ Veer-myn/ Marauder teams to be a little bit bland in their posing for such a high-speed game, a lot of them are just kinda standing around with their fists raised.

I'd like to see guards lunging to make a tackle, strikers running, that kind of thing. Throw in a hex base if they don't stand up, don't make them less cool just because they won't stand up without one.

Something like what is shown on the front cover artwork would be really cool as a miniature, with that big orc charging forward to grapple and the striker making a desperate lunge for the ball. It's that kind of dynamic posing that really makes things cool and gets across the speed of the game rather than just having a bunch of dudes standing around.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 23:10:16


Post by: Alpharius


I rather like that mini as is - though perhaps that's just the Old School Kaiju fan in me glomming on to the 'man in a suit' comment!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 23:20:10


Post by: Commander Cain


Some good points there scarletsquig. Never realized how odd the proportions were on a mantis, very odd!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/15 23:24:05


Post by: Souleater


 Black Nexus wrote:
TLR - I will probably make a small pledge at the basic level.

^^ huh?


Ah, sorry. I was having a rambling morning. 'Basic' being the rules, board and two teams = Guard. Of course, it would be silly not to go up to Jack from there for a piddly £12!

Thanks to the OP for re-organising the first post.

I have to take issue with Hormagaunts balancing on one foot. Certain poses need extra weighting to keep them upright and they are a right pain to squish up when moving into assault. I agree that a more 'hunched' pose would be cool it would need to avoid straying into other model's hexes.

Quick questions: I take it the MDF boards will be available after the KS? Am I correct that the KS acrylic tokens are copies of the thirteen standard tokens? Thank you.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 00:09:28


Post by: adamsouza


The Acrylic tokens are just more durable versions of the standards tokens.

They haven't said anything, to my knowledge, about the MDF boards being available after the kickstarter, but if they were, and I'd surprised if they weren't, I'd imagine they would cost significantly more.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 10:45:40


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


We’ve now added:

1) the unlocked Season 2 teams to the list you can choose from in Guard ($30) + a free MVP in each!

Choose from: Trontek 29ers (Lucky Logan), Greenmoon Smackers (Slippery Joe), Midgard Delvers (Gorim Ironstone), Skittersneak Stealers (Reek Rolat), Female Corporation (Wildcard) and the Judwan (Mee-kel Judwan)!

2) 8 new players to Keeper – totaling 14 Corporation and 14 Marauders – to complete your team roster, plus a decal sheet.

3) 9 new players to Jack - totaling 14 Corporation and 14 Marauders – to complete your team roster, plus a decal sheet and a Female Corporation Player.

4) 12 new players to Striker – totaling 14 Corporation, 14 Marauders, 14 Veer-myn and 14 Forge Fathers, plus a decal sheet.

Amazing!
Right then, let’s talk more Season 2…

$265,000 – The Z’zor, Season 2 Insectoid Team


Early Concept Art – got an opinion? Drop it in the comments!

If we hit this goal we will produce the Z’zor team – a furious alien insectoid race. With all three player types available, a different bug performs a different role – from hulking four legged Guards to nimble Strikers. If we hit this goal we will:

1) Add 1 Z’zor Player to Jack

2) Add 2 Z’zor Players to Striker!

3) Add the Z’zor team to our list of our Season 2 Buy One Get Free Teams!

$272,500 – Coaches
Behind every great team is a great coach, and in the Season 2 rules you’ll be able to bring these individuals to the game.

If we hit this goal we will sculpt four Coaches to lead the Season 1 teams, and we'll create a bundle - buy 2, get 2 free for $15, meaning you’ll get all four different coaches in one fell swoop!


Yup – Orcy and his hammer (he must have snuck it into the arena...) have made it to DreadBall too!

Coaches for the Season 2 teams will come once we’ve got all of the teams unlocked!

There's more still to come including the Z'zor MVP, that silhouette and Robots - seriously cool Robots!

Right then - we're going to get busy updating all of the graphics on the front page. Enjoy and let's see how quickly we can break these goals down!

Substitution!
With the prospect of new Coaches models on the horizon, we’ve taken this opportunity to update our Free Agent reward level. Instead of being able to get involved in the creation of an MVP, we will instead add your likeness to a Coach model, sculpting him to look like you, kinda like this:


Coach Renton – Free Agent Concept Art. This could be you!!

See the resemblance to anyone? Well, this could be you with a pledge of Free Agent!

If you would like more details about our Free Agent or Man of the Match levels then please get in touch!




Automatically Appended Next Post:
And from the comments

Creator Mantic Games 13 minutes ago
We've done it - a massive boost in model count to everyone, well done guys!

To clarify on the concept art - the art is fairly static to show as much detail as possible for the sculptor to work from - this art is not posed.

We will get Roberto to work up a few poses for each player type shortly, and we'll make sure they are much more hunched and insect-like :-).

which is great to hear


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 11:21:30


Post by: Commander Cain


I take back what I said about not wanting four legged Zzor, that guard looks great!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 11:59:44


Post by: Azazelx


 scarletsquig wrote:

GW hormagaunts stand up no problem at all and they only have have the tip of a single claw touching their bases.


Bear in mind though that Hormagaunts have that claw tip riiiiight back at the extreme edge of the base, are light plastic, and still fall over a lot. With Mantic's figures having that central small base, it might be an issue.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 12:06:10


Post by: PsychoticStorm


The guard looks great, but I am not sure I like the sting at the back.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 13:19:57


Post by: nkelsch


Zzor are great. I like the interpretation.

Lol master splinter.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 14:04:54


Post by: timetowaste85


Anyone else excited to have Master Splinter and the love child of Charles Xavier and Patches O'Hoolihan (from Dodgeball) as coaches?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 14:23:26


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Splinter yes, the other no, I would rather have Coach Renton


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 15:28:13


Post by: sparkywtf


*sigh*

There goes more money. I may have to sell some stuff laying around to start funding my kickstarter fund.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 17:14:17


Post by: Cyporiean


Is it me, or is the dwarf couch the leader from Silverhawks?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 17:40:55


Post by: Black Nexus


^ they've said the dwarf is their own design the others i think are homages

rat - splinter
Orc - orcy
wheelchair guy - patches from dodgeball


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 17:46:07


Post by: Cyporiean


Sure looks like Stargazer, with alittle bit of facial hair, and swapped which arm is robotic.





Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 19:23:31


Post by: scarletsquig


Really liking the new Zz'or Guard... "Mr. Snips" is the perfect name for him.

The value on this is getting really good now.

$200 of stuff in the $100 Jack level.
$330 of stuff in the $150 Striker level.

I can easily see those numbers rising to $300 and $500 by the time this is finished, for a 60-70% off RRP discount.

And the nice thing about this one is that you really can use all those figures, there's less "trade the stuff to get what you want/ have non-useful minis" factor than there was with either the KoW or Reaper freebies. Even if you just have 1-2 of a particular mini, the free agent rules still allow you to use it, and DreadBall Xtreme will feature mixed-race teams.

I really think this is one of the best things about this kickstarter, and why we're seeing so many people who want "one of everything" - it's all useful, it all adds to the game, and you can buy it all at a 50-70% discount.

A lot of people got chastised for moaning about free stuff in both the KoW and Reaper KS, but the point was entirely valid, one pack of minis that you want and can use is more valuable than 3 boxes that you don't and can't (since you have to go through the chore of trading to replace them).

I've suggested a "points" system for the Warpath kickstarter, where each unit counts as one point, and you can swap out one freebie for another of the same value freely. So, if it ends up with 100 free minis scattered around the 8 races, you could opt to just get a swarm of 100 zz'or instead of having to trade with people who collect the 7 other armies but don't collect Zz'or to get there.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 20:26:03


Post by: Slinky


I'd think it's better for them to have smatterings of all the different model ranges out there, so hopefully people then get tempted to complete armies using the models they have from the KS as a starting point.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 20:31:41


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Based on the insane degree of moaning during the Relic Knights KS, allowing swapping is not a smart move

Folk moan about it being complicated (Red Box Games had this problem too)
about not getting 'value' with the swaps,
about not being able to swap what they want
postage not changing if you swap out stuff
not being able to swap for postage costs

and I'm sure there were several other too

I think it would be more trouble than it was worth


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 20:34:53


Post by: PsychoticStorm


I think you are right.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 20:48:28


Post by: Souleater


I like the new Zzor concepts a lot. The coaches...no...don't like he sketches and don't see the point.

(As an aside I might be a little more open to Warpath if it features aliens divergent from the standard bipedal humanoid model.)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 21:07:52


Post by: scarletsquig


I'm completely ignoring the relative levels of moaning in the KS comments and thinking about what would be good for the consumer, to encourage a higher amount of people to become backers.

Obviously, not for this KS, which is excellent, just something to keep in mind for the Warpath one.

They could even simplify it to offering simple "swap-out packages" for the freebies... 8 different options... pick one and all your freebies come from that race (a fixed selection of new KS units) instead of from all 8. Dead simple, rather than having to swap out each individual unit and probably much more manageable for the warehouse side of things.

That way, a pledge for a massive Zz'or army has the option to come with even more Zz'or as freebies, and the same applies to all other races.

That's the kind of thing I can see easily catapulting a WP Kickstarter into the $2m+ territory, offering the same great value as the Reaper Kickstarter, but also having excellent focus so that people can just get one huge Warpath army if they want.

I think there's a significant amount of non-pledgers who just aren't interested in a scattergun approach and having to mess around with loads of fiddly trades and sending/receiving packages to numerous different people to turn the models they don't want into models they do want. And if the kickstarter gives you 7/8th's models that you don't want, and only 1/8th's of the models that you do want, then the value just isn't there, no matter how much free stuff is being given away in total.

It would be so much more efficient from the consumer's perspective to simply have the models they want as freebies rather than all that messing around with post-KS trading even if that means a little more work for the warehouse sending things out.

The Dreamforge one was excellent because it focused on a single faction, there was absolutely nothing in that campaign that people didn't want.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 21:15:13


Post by: RiTides


Yeah, that's what has kept me out of a lot of these "category" of Kickstarters... I just don't know what I'd do with several models from numerous races I didn't plan to use.

I know lots of people love any kind of freebies, but for me untargeted ones don't add value, since I know myself too well by now to say "Oh, I'll sell them later". Nope, they'll just get squirreled away like everything else other than the single faction I tend to play for each game.

I should note that it certainly doesn't take away value- just doesn't add for me.



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 21:19:54


Post by: Zweischneid


 scarletsquig wrote:


That's the kind of thing I can see easily catapulting a WP Kickstarter into the $2m+ territory, offering the same great value as the Reaper Kickstarter, but also having excellent focus so that people can just get one huge Warpath army if they want.


Well, it's a tricky balance.

Reaper (or, for a small variant, DreamForge) did really well by giving their KS focus. They used it, by and large, to give people one thing and one only: miniatures.

No T-shirts, no Dice, no plastic-upgrade-game-cards, no strech-goals for a nicer box or board, no mousepads or any junk of that kind. Just miniatures, more miniatures and miniatures with a vengeance.

I kinda doubt Mantic wants to go that way by the measure of their current and past KS. And it may not even be appropriate for a KS that also wants to put out a game, not just miniatures.

But you'll end up with a sort of dilemma. Those who just want miniatures will want to minimize to the "game-aspects" that come with it. Those that actually want the game to go with the miniatures, will be interested in getting a high-quality game with all the bling you can add to it.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 21:28:58


Post by: scarletsquig


Actually the KoW KS was quite literally Miniatures, Miniatures, Miniatures in it's last 2 weeks.

They tried doing dice and .pdf supplements for special characters as $15k stretches early on in the first 2 weeks of the kickstarter and it failed hard, with the pledges dropping like a stone down to only $400/day at the lowest point.

They've learnt their lesson as far as that goes, I think. This one is being extremely well run right from the start.

You're right that even including a rulebook in the pledge level makes some people annoyed... I remember seeing more than one comment on the KoW KS along the lines of "Don't want the rulebook, I only want cheap minis for my warhamz".

You'd be surprised at how many people want t-shirts though, it's almost become a kickstarter obsession to say "backed the kickstarter, played the game, got the t-shirt". As long as they aren't stretch goals, the bitching from non-t-shirt-wanters is minimal.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 22:17:57


Post by: timetowaste85


Scarlet, do you know when the Warpath Kickstarter is supposed to start? I have a couple friends who were kicking themselves for not getting in on the Kings of War Kickstarter, and they want to get in on the warpath one but want a rough idea when it'll be.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 23:03:08


Post by: scarletsquig


^ Sometime early next year, going by what Ronnie has been saying on the podcast.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 23:43:44


Post by: Rolt


 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Sometime early next year, going by what Ronnie has been saying on the podcast.


Thats cool to hear, I've been holding off buying any of mantics veer-myn stuff because of the upcoming Kickstarter, when its does drop mantic will have all of my money's ALL.OF.THEM.

Either way the new Z'zor are pretty cool, did'nt like them when they only showed the heads, but now I've seen the full bodies I like the direction Mantic have gone with them. They very much remind me of the Iuminoth from Metriod Prime or the "ghost" from final fantasy: the spirits within.I'm very curious how differenet the "true" warpath army version Z'zor are going to look from the dreadball versions and what type of unit's, especialy the vehicles will be like in terms of genral design.


P.s This is what a Luminoth looks like, how cool is that, with a little bit of conversion work I could make the Z'zor close to this.
Spoiler:





Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/16 23:46:32


Post by: timetowaste85


Sounds good-I'd be up for it to start TOMORROW!! But I realize I'm lucky with a job that would permit that, so I guess I'm happy waiting for others wallets to recover to make the earnings that much sweeter next time. I want lots of enforcers on the kickstarter!! Pass it on to Ronnie-LOTS of enforcers.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/17 00:52:49


Post by: English Assassin


I need time to paint this lot (and Sedition Wars) first. Next summer would suit me well...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/17 01:19:48


Post by: Rainbow Dash


if there's one thing this world needs, its more awesome foot-ball esque board games
my hat goes off to you!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/17 05:36:26


Post by: AlexHolker


 scarletsquig wrote:
The value on this is getting really good now.

$200 of stuff in the $100 Jack level.
$330 of stuff in the $150 Striker level.

You're getting ~70 models for $150. Sedition Wars had ~50 models for $80 right from the start.

And the nice thing about this one is that you really can use all those figures, there's less "trade the stuff to get what you want/ have non-useful minis" factor than there was with either the KoW or Reaper freebies. Even if you just have 1-2 of a particular mini, the free agent rules still allow you to use it, and DreadBall Xtreme will feature mixed-race teams.

I do not agree here either. Just taking your argument at face value, KoW let you do the same thing with the allies rules, but unlike Dreadball doesn't limit you to using a handful of your models. Fourteen 29ers and fourteen Greenskins aren't worth much as free agents when you can only field 6-8 models at a time.

But beyond that, you've still got the problem that two specific teams are compulsory if you want a playable game. Giving the male Corp the Space Marine treatment is annoying because I know where that ends up: with donkey-caves crowing about how women are so much less popular than men, so it's only right that they get a raw deal.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/17 06:10:55


Post by: scarletsquig


^ So, you're not gonna pledge for a female team, then.. ?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/17 06:32:15


Post by: AlexHolker


 scarletsquig wrote:
^ So, you're not gonna pledge for a female team, then.. ?

I'm not paying $15 shipping on a $20 team and a $10 ebook, if that's what you're asking. If it comes down to that, I'll wait until it's available from Maelstrom.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/17 06:48:57


Post by: Sining


 timetowaste85 wrote:
Sounds good-I'd be up for it to start TOMORROW!! But I realize I'm lucky with a job that would permit that, so I guess I'm happy waiting for others wallets to recover to make the earnings that much sweeter next time. I want lots of enforcers on the kickstarter!! Pass it on to Ronnie-LOTS of enforcers.


I would love it if the forgefathers came with the proper legs for the KS. Maybe even make it a pledge level if need be -_- hint hint, wink wink


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/17 13:49:44


Post by: Black Nexus


talking about a warpath kickstarter now is pretty irrelevant IMO im sure'll it'll come when it comes. Besides, z'zor mvp concept art is up on mantics facebook page:




they;re asking for feedback on what people think before finalising the design.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/17 14:49:35


Post by: Commander Cain


Vey nice! It seems like they have taken some of the ideas people have been throwing their way and putting them on the mpv. I must say I like the larger head and the curve in the back.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 00:33:15


Post by: scarletsquig


Liking pretty much everything about that design, much more insectoid.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 01:44:03


Post by: Commander Cain


Seems to be he general consensus in the KS comments. Nice to see they took all the suggestions on and changed them up a bit!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 03:28:10


Post by: Alpharius


A strange lull and a negative trend the last 3 days.

They need to add some spice/interesting stretches!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 03:41:18


Post by: judgedoug


negative trend? it made $7000 today


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 06:22:39


Post by: scarletsquig


^ And actually closed at $8500.

Day 1 aside, there has literally only been 2 "good" days approaching $15k, and 2 "bad" days where it fell to around $5k.

Every single other day of this entire kickstarter has been a flat and steady $8k-9k per day, despite the constantly intermittant commentary about "it's slowing down", that really has never been the case.

It is one of the most dead-on linear kickstarters I have ever seen as far as funding goes.

Naturally, it'll go nuts and get another $300-400k in the last week, as pretty much every KS campaign like this does, getting at least 50%+ of the funding right at the end.

I guessed $500k close for this at the start, currently thinking more like $600k-$800k at the moment. So, Season 2 and Ultimate definitely funded, not sure about Xtreme, though.

They have stretch goals planned up to $800k (one season released for every $200k of funding), so it would be wonderful to see that happen, with all of season 2, and the Ultimate and Xtreme expansion sets fully funded.

Remy has some pics of the marauder sculpts up on his blog, if anyone's interested:

http://remytremblay.sculpture.over-blog.com/article-greenmoon-smackers-team-dreadball-110127871.html




Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 09:08:17


Post by: Souleater


Do you think that DB Extreme (DBEX?) might be a good place for some slight resculpts?

If the teams are operating outside the arena they might have different bits of armour..could be a possibility for re-doing figures in a couple of years. I'm sure by then we will have bought the 'current' releases.

Just something I think GW missed out on - teams changing their uniforms now and again as part of ongoing support for the game.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 09:35:22


Post by: scarletsquig


^ I'd imagine they'd do some alternate sculpts for that expansion, with less regulation armour and more unarmoured, rougher-looking players. There will definitely be a new urban pitch with various terrain pieces on it, we know that much.

New update has been posted, the amount needed to reach the next stretch goal has been reduced by $2.5k, and another small $5k stretch goal has been added for the Zz'or MVP.

So, less than $10k to go to unlock the next 2 goals and then on to that Green Goblin character.



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 09:40:40


Post by: Souleater


Okay...now thinking Necromunda crossed with DB....they could call it SkullBall! NecroBall? DreadTown?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 12:05:15


Post by: Black Nexus


z'zor team is in and they've moved on to the MVP @ $175.



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 12:12:32


Post by: Alpharius


 judgedoug wrote:
negative trend? it made $7000 today


Yeah - when I posted that at 11:30 at night, East Coast time, it was looking like it was going to be the lowest point of a four day downward trend.

Hence, a negative trend.

Go west coast go!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 12:19:42


Post by: Azazelx


 Souleater wrote:
Okay...now thinking Necromunda crossed with DB....they could call it SkullBall! NecroBall? DreadTown?


BallBall!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 15:56:37


Post by: Rolt


The kickstarter just hit the 275,000 mark, the Z'zor MVP is in!!!, now that was fast.

Either way we should be seeing this guy next:



Ya'know everyoe's been saying this guy looks like the green goblin due to his helmet, but now that I've looked at him a bit closer is it possible this guy is an Astraina (Spelling?).
Those things on the side of his head could be elf ears not a part of the helmet, they may seem a bit big but just look at the WoW elves.

Would be pretty cool if true.







Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 15:59:10


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Coaches are IN

Z'zor MVP (Buzzy McFly as I call him) is IN

mantics artists have not kept up so we await the next goal
(mantic has popped in to congratulate us and say soon)

and earlier today we said the full MDF board should get shown sometime today


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 16:52:54


Post by: Bolognesus


$282,500 - Nightshade, Season 2 MVP

Rumored to be the child of former Asterian DreadBall star Iga Kizawa – or as some unsavory individuals in the sport claim, a clone of Iga himself – the Striker known only as Nightshade has quietly been making a name for himself over the last couple of cycles – very quietly in fact, as Nightshade is famed for never making a sound.

The most iconic thing about Nightshade is his sculpted body suit – custom DreadBall armour around which the air shifts and swirls as it moves. Technicians theorize that there is some kind of anti-matter projector that allows Nightshade to manipulate not just the ball but also his very appearance, making it incredibly difficult for him to be caught.

Sowing confusion and fear in opposing players is his primary tactic. Blackouts in stadiums have been momentarily reported only for the floodlights to burst back into life just at the moment that Nightshade has found himself in the Strike zone, hurling the ball into the Strike hex. Officials have tried to question Nightshade about these “events,” but he refuses to speak of them.

Asterian teams in the league have taken a lot of damaging criticism for Nightshade’s questionably immoral take on the sport and distance themselves from him at every mention. Leading Asterian coaches have said they would refuse his services, no matter how many points he has accumulated in his relatively short career.

If we hit this stretch goal we'll sculpt and produce Nightshade - a limited edition Kickstarter MVP (you'll only be able to pick him up on Kickstarter and one or two other places as well) - and we'll add him to Jack and Striker!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 17:49:08


Post by: Commander Cain


Ooh very nice!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 17:51:02


Post by: AlexHolker


It's a dirty stinking Gary Stu.

What kind of lame-ass dystopia is this, if the Corporation lets some alien mock them by blatantly cheating at their own game? He wouldn't even get away with that nonsense today.

And anti-matter? The most powerful explosive physically possible?

And why ruin the Asterians by getting them openly involved in Dreadball? Aren't they supposed to be based on the greys and alien abductions, suggesting they shouldn't be showboating on live Corporation television?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 17:59:13


Post by: Alpharius


 AlexHolker wrote:
It's a dirty stinking Gary Stu.

What kind of lame-ass dystopia is this, if the Corporation lets some alien mock them by blatantly cheating at their own game? He wouldn't even get away with that nonsense today.

And anti-matter? The most powerful explosive physically possible?

And why ruin the Asterians by getting them openly involved in Dreadball? Aren't they supposed to be based on the greys and alien abductions, suggesting they shouldn't be showboating on live Corporation television?


You might be taking the whole Space Football thing too seriously?

For example, I don't think that GW wants us to believe that Blood Bowl is 'really' happening in the WFB world...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 18:14:00


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


As far as I'm aware it's not a Grimdark ONLY WAR sort of thing in the Mantic universe

So while war may occur, so might more peacefull interaction

(especially is the Corp is not trying to eliminate all alien species, after all they can be customers too)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 18:16:19


Post by: Black Nexus


who said it was a dystopia? it's clean shiny hard sci-fi not some cyberpunk setting.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 18:20:20


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


and besides Dreadball rules are MEANT to be bent,

or all the MVPs with no head armour (or just no armour) would just get kicked out, not just fined

the league wants heroes and villains and as long as they get that they're happy

and as for today are TEAMS whoes players cheat, take drugs etc banned. Answer NO, they might be removed from the years championship (eg the occasional F1 team) but they still get to take part.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 18:32:59


Post by: Black Nexus


besides, we don't really know anything about Nightshade or his rules. maybe in his rules he'll just have an improved dodge ability or some kind of cloaking or something cool. elves in green menace were super hard to nail down but once you surrounded them they died so maybe he'll be the same. Jake has said he's not a fan of making super hard not-killable good at everything type mvps and only wants to do interesting ones. outcast asterian reject with a cool technological scifi suit is pretty cool. bit batman really.

That and the figure is only limited edition, so you won't even encounter him that much (well, 1300 and counting will get him but you know what i mean...)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 19:46:57


Post by: ironicsilence


Patches is the perfect coach for my female team


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 19:47:48


Post by: nkelsch


I actually like that this is not grimdark... 40k Bloodbowl could NEVER HAPPEN but as far as I can tell, Warpath is more of a space battle between nation states. Doesn't seem like any Warpath race denies the right of any other race to exist... they may have territorial skirmishes or all out war, but there are always going to be people who 'do their own thing' from every race.

Dreadball is very much corporation centric... so I don't see any reason why Rome can't be at war with countries in the middle east, England and Africa but yet gladiators from both regions would be seen in the Colosseum.

These are all meant to be 'spectacle' sports where the population is satisfied and controlled via the sport which may or may not be fully fair or 'real' in the narrative of the universe, but as a game, we play from a level of 'balance' where the cheating of the characters in the universe is part of our game balance even if not in the fictional narrative balance.

Having a special suit giving him increased dodge may be cheating in Dreadball, but for us it is a balanced effect paid for by cost.

I totally love what I am seeing... I am hoping if all turns out well maybe Hockey season can become the 'everyone break out your dreadball minis' season the way football is for Bloodbowl.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 20:10:31


Post by: GrimmKey


OUCH, seems either someone was fakepledging or a bundle of pledgers pulled at once. We just dropped from 276k to 273k. Really wanting this thing to get to 400k so we get all the possibilities on the table, but everything seems to be pointing to people continuing to lose interest.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 20:11:43


Post by: scarletsquig


Doesn't seem like any Warpath race denies the right of any other race to exist...


The Corporation does if it is profitable, or the species is too dangerous. They've happily sent in the Enforcers to make intelligent species extinct on several occasions.

Usually it is more profitable to enslave a race through economic means with a sock puppet government, since that way their labour can be exploited. That's the only reason why the Corporation haven't flat-out killed every intelligent species they get their hands on, economists within the various corporations have determined that better returns would be made from their investment of purchasing the rights to any given hospitable planet by exploiting the native population rather than eradicating it.

This state of affairs is a natural extension of current human activity on earth, where stock market investors will happily let several hundred million people in third world countries go hungry if they decide that there is profit to be made by artificially pushing up the price of grain. It's nothing personal if a few thousand African children / a few million aliens die as a side effect of conducting business in manner which maximizes dividend yield for the shareholders, it's just efficient business.

Corporation background is wonderful and the only really *great* piece of warpath background simply because it is such a direct parody of the current path the humanity has chosen for itself, valuing profit above all else and burning through natural resources at an ever-increasing rate to sustain a system that demands permanent growth. It takes that current state of affairs and extends it out on a galactic scale. Good sci-fi is always a reflection on modern-day events, which is something that has been done very well here... possibly accidentally, since the original stated goal was "make the British Empire in space", which evolved into something much better once the writers got their hands on it (Mantic should give Guy Haley more work).

Money and power drives everything, and DreadBall is one of the major "bread and circuses" things that holds the whole system together.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 20:27:08


Post by: Alpharius


GrimmKey wrote:
OUCH, seems either someone was fakepledging or a bundle of pledgers pulled at once. We just dropped from 276k to 273k. Really wanting this thing to get to 400k so we get all the possibilities on the table, but everything seems to be pointing to people continuing to lose interest.


With 12 days to go, I'm sure it will beat 400K.

Even Kicktraq, which is usually on the low side as it doesn't seem to be able to account for the mad surges at the end, has it just about reaching 400K (though its 'experimental' projection range has it possible getting up to $500K!)

No worries!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 20:41:10


Post by: Black Nexus


OUCH, seems either someone was fakepledging or a bundle of pledgers pulled at once. We just dropped from 276k to 273k. Really wanting this thing to get to 400k so we get all the possibilities on the table, but everything seems to be pointing to people continuing to lose interest.


the 5K which pledged earlier today dropped his pledge once they were safely over the coaches. people did this to relic knights as well. they'd break a stretch goal to see what was next and then reduce it once they were safely over the goal.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 20:46:55


Post by: Rainbow Dash


 AlexHolker wrote:
It's a dirty stinking Gary Stu.

What kind of lame-ass dystopia is this, if the Corporation lets some alien mock them by blatantly cheating at their own game? He wouldn't even get away with that nonsense today.

And anti-matter? The most powerful explosive physically possible?

And why ruin the Asterians by getting them openly involved in Dreadball? Aren't they supposed to be based on the greys and alien abductions, suggesting they shouldn't be showboating on live Corporation television?


its foot ball in space!!

thats good enough for me, FOOTBALL IN SPACE
who cares about the background


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 20:48:12


Post by: Commander Cain


 Black Nexus wrote:
OUCH, seems either someone was fakepledging or a bundle of pledgers pulled at once. We just dropped from 276k to 273k. Really wanting this thing to get to 400k so we get all the possibilities on the table, but everything seems to be pointing to people continuing to lose interest.


the 5K which pledged earlier today dropped his pledge once they were safely over the coaches. people did this to relic knights as well. they'd break a stretch goal to see what was next and then reduce it once they were safely over the goal.


I wondered if itwas possible to do that. Not really sure what the point is to be honest, we will only break the goal anyway given time!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 21:21:45


Post by: Black Nexus


exactly and it just negatively impacts people because they build excitement and then that crumbles and everyone thinks its a bit sh!t. looking at Kicktraq mantic have made over $10k today so its still one of there better days it just would have been nice to keep the 5k and do a 20k day.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 21:29:40


Post by: GrimmKey


And here I thought we were going to hit three stretches in one day. Damn. As to getting everything in at the last day...this isn't Ebay, I hope they seriously don't hold back til the end. The sooner the money flows, the sooner they can put up new stuff, and possibly even force themselves into crazy territory like Bones did. Bones, in the last day, BROKE Kickstarter because of people trying to get in for that $100 deal(I didn't, not looking for Fantasy minis). I know it won't get to that level, but we're at 2 bucks per mini right now, which is an awesome price, and I want it to drop like a stone.


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Well, we seem to have properly breached 275k now, at least...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 22:30:06


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


And now the front page has been updated to include battlefoam bags and box foams as choices



we have no count as to how many models either sort will fit,

or info on if the $15 P&P applies to each type, or to international, UK or USA backers (my guess is yes)

And the current Jack (149/200) and Striker (525/1500) levels have become limited, probably indicating the price will rise after that ?

as I can't imagine going, well thats enough money from this KS

we wait an official update, that I bet will take longer concidering the mucking about with pledges earlier


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 22:42:53


Post by: Buzzsaw


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
And now the front page has been updated to include battlefoam bags and box foams as choices



we have no count as to how many models either sort will fit,

or info on if the $15 P&P applies to each type, or to international, UK or USA backers (my guess is yes)

And the current Jack (149/200) and Striker (525/1500) levels have become limited, probably indicating the price will rise after that ?

as I can't imagine going, well thats enough money from this KS

we wait an official update, that I bet will take longer concidering the mucking about with pledges earlier


That's a nice price ($65) for a battlefoam bag (the last one I recall seeing in a promo was $85). But... limiting the main pledge levels? Waaaaa?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 22:44:38


Post by: Bolognesus


 Buzzsaw wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
And now the front page has been updated to include battlefoam bags and box foams as choices



we have no count as to how many models either sort will fit,

or info on if the $15 P&P applies to each type, or to international, UK or USA backers (my guess is yes)

And the current Jack (149/200) and Striker (525/1500) levels have become limited, probably indicating the price will rise after that ?

as I can't imagine going, well thats enough money from this KS

we wait an official update, that I bet will take longer concidering the mucking about with pledges earlier


That's a nice price ($65) for a battlefoam bag (the last one I recall seeing in a promo was $85). But... limiting the main pledge levels? Waaaaa?


that's just so they can guarantee shipping deadlines.
...which is rather comforting, once you think about it


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 22:49:37


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Now the offical bit

Please note that these items are big! Please add $15 for shipping per item if you are adding them to your pledge.

We’ve also added the Mantic Battle Foam Bag to the extras which also contains three trays of custom DreadBall foam as well as regular sheets to keep all of your miniatures safe!

EDIT! Romeo has just emailed us to let us know that the trays for the DreadBall Box holds 83 miniatures, the cards, the dice and the tokens! Both the MDF and Acrylic Hexboards fit in the Battle Foam Bag.

On the Limit

DreadBall has been moving quickly - the backer number continues to rise and we're just about to go past our previous high on Kings of War.

We always expected this Kickstarter to be bigger, but with pre-orders coming in and the momentum building, we want to manage everyone's expectations.



We're currently hunting down Nightshade as our $282,500 Stretch!

We are rapidly approaching the end of our first print run and to make absolutely certain that we deliver on all of our promises we've put some caps on the Jack and Striker levels - the two most popular levels for new backers - to ensure that we can meet demand and guarantee that these all ship in time for Christmas. All uncapped pledges (for instance Guard and Cheerleader) are also guaranteed to arrive before Christmas - we're just conscious of the increasing levels we're seeing!

If you've got mates that are looking at this game and are thinking about it, please let them know that know is the time to get in on this once-in-a-lifetime offer!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 23:37:57


Post by: Commander Cain


This is going to get Mantic pledges fast and furious. Glad I pledged early for a change!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 23:42:48


Post by: GrimmKey


Chances are, they're limiting the ones that are going to come in by Christmas. They'll reopen the pledge levels, you'll just get yours after the new year(probably, I don't know)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 23:46:24


Post by: nkelsch


So new 'magic number' is:
150 striker
25 for Judwan + second team (female)
25 for Zzor + Second team (unknown)
15 for Season1 Guard

215$ right?

Those battle foam cases are nice.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/18 23:56:03


Post by: sparkywtf


$230

That way you can get the coaches too!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 00:20:53


Post by: nkelsch


sparkywtf wrote:
$230

That way you can get the coaches too!

that is what I was missing! Thanks!



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 00:39:40


Post by: GrimmKey


I'm pledging just 210 right now. That gets me
150 - Striker
25 - Z'zor/FemCorp team combo
20 - 10 color paint set and 3 different brushes
15 - Keeper quadset

Debating grabbing one of those case sets...extra 50-80 bucks though...

Also, we're at 282k!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 02:39:56


Post by: Triszin


im already pledging 230 for striker and a acrylic board, now i think im going to increase it to get the goalies, and trying to put some more money aside so i can get the other teams. darn you mantic.

also its at 288k


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 03:01:28


Post by: timetowaste85


Damn-it zipped up there in the past couple hours. I looked at it earlier and it was "only" 282k. Now it's 289k. And about 40 new strikers added on since yesterday. Holy...crap.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 04:20:10


Post by: GrimmKey


 timetowaste85 wrote:
Damn-it zipped up there in the past couple hours. I looked at it earlier and it was "only" 282k. Now it's 289k. And about 40 new strikers added on since yesterday. Holy...crap.
Limitations and figure boxes. Shrewd move, Mantic, shrewd. I just hope that they give us extra goodies for going over 10k over their not even front-paged stretch of 282k.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 05:25:04


Post by: AlexHolker


 Alpharius wrote:
You might be taking the whole Space Football thing too seriously?

I'd say that Mantic's not taking the whole Warpath thing seriously enough. I don't like it when a professional writes a piece of fiction where the cracks start showing within five seconds of looking at it.

 Black Nexus wrote:
who said it was a dystopia? it's clean shiny hard sci-fi not some cyberpunk setting.

It's a clean shiny dystopia, ruled by the East Space India Trading Company. That doesn't mean everyone has to be on a diet of gruel and lashings, but it would be nice if Mantic would at least treat their villain as somewhat competent.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and as for today are TEAMS whoes players cheat, take drugs etc banned. Answer NO, they might be removed from the years championship (eg the occasional F1 team) but they still get to take part.

Only because it's difficult to tell when someone's doping. Knocking out the power of the entire stadium? That's pretty blatant.

I'm glad that Warpath isn't grimdark, my complaint is that everything the Corporation touches should not turn to gak. I want Mantic to give them enough credit that when someone they don't like takes part in their tournament and knocks out the power for their own advantage, they'll at least ban him from competing. I mean, the organisers of a children's basketball game could do that if they found one of the subs tampering with the lights during every game, so why can't the Corporation?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 05:29:08


Post by: scarletsquig


 timetowaste85 wrote:
Damn-it zipped up there in the past couple hours. I looked at it earlier and it was "only" 282k. Now it's 289k. And about 40 new strikers added on since yesterday. Holy...crap.


Basically, Mantic has massively rationed The Striker and Jack levels all of a sudden. There are around 150 Jacks and 400 Strikers left. Once they're gone, they're gone, that's it. So, what we're seeing is a surge from people who were on the fence about this, saw the rationed Striker level and went "crap, I gotta do this now or I'll miss it".

If you want in on this, DO IT NOW, because in about 3 days time, you won't be able to get in on it at the "sweet spot".

We just burned through 60 Striker pledges in the space of 6 hours, and I would hate to see anyone on dakka who has been on the fence about this to miss out.

Or you could take a gamble that new pledges identical to Striker which ship *after* December will be added later. But that is basically a giant gamble at this point in time, we don't know what Mantic is or isn't going to pull out of the hat at this point.

They really should have stated the limit on their manufacturing capabilities right from the start rather than springing it on people like this. Not only would have it been better in terms of communication, it would have encouraged more people to pledge earlier.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 06:45:56


Post by: Azazelx


 Buzzsaw wrote:

That's a nice price ($65) for a battlefoam bag (the last one I recall seeing in a promo was $85). But... limiting the main pledge levels? Waaaaa?


It's a bit misleading. You need to add $15 for postage, so it's basically an $80 bag. Incidently, you can buy a standard BF bag from Mantic's website for £49.99/US$81 with "free" shipping. The standard one comes with the set standard trays. This one comes with a specific DB set of trays, so it's closer to this one than the custom bag, as you can design your own trays for the custom version. I imagine this will be a new "standard variant". The Battlefoam bag in the KoW KS was $70 without any additional shipping, which was why I picked one up. I'd probably have gotten one of these as well if they were actually $65 or $70, but since it's the same as RRP I don't see a need to jump onto it. Not something I need, after all...


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 AlexHolker wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
You might be taking the whole Space Football thing too seriously?

I'd say that Mantic's not taking the whole Warpath thing seriously enough. I don't like it when a professional writes a piece of fiction where the cracks start showing within five seconds of looking at it.


I'm looking at it in the same way I do Blood Bowl. The fact that I don't care one iota about Mantic's Warpath background/fluff makes that much easier, as well.


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GrimmKey wrote:
And here I thought we were going to hit three stretches in one day. Damn. As to getting everything in at the last day...this isn't Ebay, I hope they seriously don't hold back til the end. The sooner the money flows, the sooner they can put up new stuff, and possibly even force themselves into crazy territory like Bones did. Bones, in the last day, BROKE Kickstarter because of people trying to get in for that $100 deal(I didn't, not looking for Fantasy minis). I know it won't get to that level, but we're at 2 bucks per mini right now, which is an awesome price, and I want it to drop like a stone.


This isn't going anywhere near Bones. But on the other point, I'l already down for $140. I was in within the first 30 minutes of it going up. (I think I was the 9th pledger). Having said that, there's now a bunch of extras I'll be adding, but I won't do it until the end of the KS. I'm not saying this to troll you, but I'll explain why - they keep adding new things as the KS progresses. Paints, board, new teams, coaches, etc etc etc. We know there's going to be quite a few more things added in the next 2 1/2 weeks as well, so I have no reason to go in and micromanage my pledge now to add those extras, since I know there'll be more of them and I'll just have to go in and adjust it again, and again, and again.

So I may as well wait and do it once - at the end. This is no doubt an additional reason that these things spike at the end. On top of the "wait and see" people and those making last-minute decisions.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 07:28:33


Post by: scarletsquig


New stretch goal!

Right, all you people who were complaining about "no fat girls" earlier in this thread and ragging on the female team for being too skinny (there were a lot of you!), start pledging.



You can’t miss Helder on the pitch – she’s the one with a trail of broken bodies in her wake. Despite insisting that she’s ready for the role of Striker (and the glory the role brings with it), whether it’s her uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time or her well-renowned right hook (as commentator Jake "the Jackhammer" Thunder found out during what was called an impromptu interview by the media), Coaches have continually pushed her towards playing the guard position – a position she excels herself in.

As a young player growing up she had an unhealthy obsession with the beast known as Buzzcut and Helder often tries to emulate him in her game. Whilst she lacks the physical presence to match him in pure brute strength, she is surprisingly quick (which her celebrity management company says supports her claims that she could rank up alongside the leading strikers of this decade if given the chance), and her "run-up-and-slams" often catch opposing players unawares.

Outside of the sport, Helder has her own range of cookbooks and is known to bake a mean tri-cal Pie.


Mantic has listened to your demands, and acted upon them. She's a real beauty!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 07:30:41


Post by: Souleater


My thoughts on this sudden news are not positive tbh.

Is this a slightly cynical ploy after the confirmation of the Chaos Marine Codex (I tend to think not)?

I wonder if they started this KS project far too soon after the previous one. They aren't anywhere near Studio McVey's level of pledges yet so I am very surprised that their 'print run' is so very small.

I thought part of the idea of a KS was to enable a bigger first print (as well as adding bits and improving quality)



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 07:48:41


Post by: scarletsquig


^ Mantic's board game print runs tend to be about 2,000- 3,000 copies, which they're now approaching (they need to fulfil retailer orders as well).

Once they sell out of the first print run (and both DKH and its sequel did sell out), restocking takes a month or so as the printers need time to get everything produced and packed. It's the card components that are the hold-up which can't be rushed, they have the miniatures side of things all sorted. If the card can't be printed by November, then it's not going to be delivered by December, so it's better that they have a cut-off rather than promising something that they can't deliver.

One of the things that is great about the company is that they *never* do this, shipping deadlines get met on time (or extremely close to it, I've only ever seen a maximum of a 1-week delay on anything, with a very good reason behind it), no matter what, there are no 3-month delays. no peddling BS to cover up failures, no passing the buck, no "blame the manufacturer" with Mantic.

This factor is of course, doubly important with Kickstarters, as pledges are made in good faith, well in advance. If the KoW KS stuff hadn't been delivered already, there is no way in hell this KS would even be at $100k right now. Reputation matters.

They don't make their print runs too large, to avoid having spare stock hanging around in the warehouse taking up loads of space.

Overall, a smarter approach than GW took with DreadFleet, printing way too many copies and then having to recall and destroy thousands of copies when it didn't sell.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 09:12:23


Post by: Zweischneid


 scarletsquig wrote:
New stretch goal!



You can’t miss Helder on the pitch – she’s the one with a trail of broken bodies in her wake. Despite insisting that she’s ready for the role of Striker (and the glory the role brings with it), whether it’s her uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time or her well-renowned right hook (as commentator Jake "the Jackhammer" Thunder found out during what was called an impromptu interview by the media), Coaches have continually pushed her towards playing the guard position – a position she excels herself in.

As a young player growing up she had an unhealthy obsession with the beast known as Buzzcut and Helder often tries to emulate him in her game. Whilst she lacks the physical presence to match him in pure brute strength, she is surprisingly quick (which her celebrity management company says supports her claims that she could rank up alongside the leading strikers of this decade if given the chance), and her "run-up-and-slams" often catch opposing players unawares.

Outside of the sport, Helder has her own range of cookbooks and is known to bake a mean tri-cal Pie.


Mantic has listened to your demands, and acted upon them. She's a real beauty!


Whatever else they are doing, their backstories are getting better with each new MVP! Someone over at Mantic is really getting into the flow there. Great stuff.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 09:12:34


Post by: AlexHolker


I think Helder would be better if she was toned down a bit. This is the heaviest guy in the NFL, Michael Jasper, with a BMI of 45.6. Using that as inspiration would give you a character who can pass as a professional athlete in a sport that does not revolve around standing up, but would still fit with her biography.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 11:27:53


Post by: scarletsquig


Robot team goal is up, for $325k:



The original DreadBall games were considered, by some, to be a showcase for the prowess of biological organisms. In a world so dominated by machines, it was a throwback to a simpler age – an almost prehistoric urge to fight or flee, and all in the context of a brilliant sporting spectacle. But the robots were bound to come.

Too many big corporations had vested interests in showing off their cybernetic prowess for the lobby to go away, and the first robot team took to the field in the early days of Shemtek SmackDown III. This team, the “Oilers”, caused enormous damage to the opposition and was banned part way through its second game. Digby was buried under lawsuits from the teams, the relatives of the slain players and their many fans. How could they let such objects take to the field? It was a while before the second robot team rolled out onto a neodurium pitch.

The “New Oilers” were different. Their ballistic ceramic casings were covered in gel pads so they caused fewer injuries, and their servos downrated to avoid punching entirely through a human torso in one blow. The crowds were mollified, then excited by this new turn, especially when the Oilers showed off their new twist.

DreadBall’s rules state very clearly that a player must play as a single position, but they never considered that someone could change from one to another within a match. The robots can. They troop out onto the pitch as Jacks, but at the whirr of a servo they can change to a Striker or a Guard, avoiding any infringement of the letter of the rules by only every being a single role at a time, but the spirit of the rules is ridden over roughshod. And the crowd loves it!




Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 12:29:30


Post by: Rolt


The top two look the best, there've got a nice uniquness to them and would stand out well among the other teams. Draft 2 has some nice details but TBH kinda looks like a Michel Bay Transformers left over. Draft 3 again the same issue some nice parts to it but the head (and the arms a bit) makes it look like a Nercon rejet, despite the vast differences in design, lets face it fanboys are fanboys and Mantic would'nt hear the last of it over them.

Either way Draft 1 are cool, they would look very good painted orange and silver with manlfacters/sponsers logo's across their chest and upper legs. Anyway just my 2 pennys worth.


P.s why does the Helder girls helmet look so much like a forgefather helmet?






Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 12:35:29


Post by: Salacious Greed


I might be cynical, but why offer up stretch goals from where the money total stands, when you were lax in getting up new stretch goals? They should have throne "the fat lady", aptly named since for the proverbial viking opera singer apparently, as a small stretch goal after $282,500. So we get a stand alone MVP for $22,500? Wow, thanks.

As for the robots, I like the sleek look of sketch A. Not the clunky look of the others. Chaos indeed.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 12:56:37


Post by: Slinky


As the total goes up, the distance between stretch goals must necessarily increase too, as they need to send out more and more copies of the new model and all previous models as they get more backers...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 13:18:41


Post by: GrimmKey


scipio.au wrote:This isn't going anywhere near Bones. But on the other point, I'l already down for $140. I was in within the first 30 minutes of it going up. (I think I was the 9th pledger). Having said that, there's now a bunch of extras I'll be adding, but I won't do it until the end of the KS. I'm not saying this to troll you, but I'll explain why - they keep adding new things as the KS progresses. Paints, board, new teams, coaches, etc etc etc. We know there's going to be quite a few more things added in the next 2 1/2 weeks as well, so I have no reason to go in and micromanage my pledge now to add those extras, since I know there'll be more of them and I'll just have to go in and adjust it again, and again, and again.

So I may as well wait and do it once - at the end. This is no doubt an additional reason that these things spike at the end. On top of the "wait and see" people and those making last-minute decisions.


I think you mean 1 1/2, and yes, I'm dreading/anticipating the announcement of the cheerleaders. But I still don't see WHY you're waiting. As it stands, you've not actually bought anything, you've just promised money to Mantic so they can make their game without worrying. The more support they feel they're getting, the more stuff they're going to put out(or suffer a possible backlash). Granted, I know that they won't breach that ridiculously awesome price-per-mini that Bones was offering, but a man can hope that he has a set of awesome minis that he can say "I paid less than a dollar per". But while going in and adjusting it isn't a problem to me, but I can see where you're coming from.


scarletsquig wrote:New stretch goal!

Right, all you people who were complaining about "no fat girls" earlier in this thread and ragging on the female team for being too skinny (there were a lot of you!), start pledging. Mantic has listened to your demands, and acted upon them. She's a real beauty!

Hah, I already know what I'm going to paint her up as



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 13:27:51


Post by: Azazelx


GrimmKey wrote:

I think you mean 1 1/2, and yes, I'm dreading/anticipating the announcement of the cheerleaders. But I still don't see WHY you're waiting. As it stands, you've not actually bought anything, you've just promised money to Mantic so they can make their game without worrying. The more support they feel they're getting, the more stuff they're going to put out(or suffer a possible backlash). Granted, I know that they won't breach that ridiculously awesome price-per-mini that Bones was offering, but a man can hope that he has a set of awesome minis that he can say "I paid less than a dollar per". But while going in and adjusting it isn't a problem to me, but I can see where you're coming from.


Basically, because I don't feel obliged to micromanage my pledge on a seemingly-daily basis according to the stretch goals, and frankly I can't be arsed mucking about with the pledge manager more than a couple of times for a campaign at the most, which is why I might give a bump on the second-last day to cover the stuff they added in since the start - though still knowing that more will come up after than and while I sleep.

I know you didn't suggest it, but nor do I feel any reason to just add $200 to my pledge to "cover" what I might buy. If we go down that road, I may as well pledge $5k now and pull $4,700 (or whatever) on the last day during the last-minute frenzy.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 13:50:11


Post by: GrimmKey


 scipio.au wrote:
GrimmKey wrote:

I think you mean 1 1/2, and yes, I'm dreading/anticipating the announcement of the cheerleaders. But I still don't see WHY you're waiting. As it stands, you've not actually bought anything, you've just promised money to Mantic so they can make their game without worrying. The more support they feel they're getting, the more stuff they're going to put out(or suffer a possible backlash). Granted, I know that they won't breach that ridiculously awesome price-per-mini that Bones was offering, but a man can hope that he has a set of awesome minis that he can say "I paid less than a dollar per". But while going in and adjusting it isn't a problem to me, but I can see where you're coming from.


Basically, because I don't feel obliged to micromanage my pledge on a seemingly-daily basis according to the stretch goals, and frankly I can't be arsed mucking about with the pledge manager more than a couple of times for a campaign at the most, which is why I might give a bump on the second-last day to cover the stuff they added in since the start - though still knowing that more will come up after than and while I sleep.

I know you didn't suggest it, but nor do I feel any reason to just add $200 to my pledge to "cover" what I might buy. If we go down that road, I may as well pledge $5k now and pull $4,700 (or whatever) on the last day during the last-minute frenzy.

Yeah, that last option's one I DON'T want to see. I'd rather your method go through than someone who ends up having to pull their pledge or never meant their pledge to begin with, I just remember that people on the last day of Bones not being able to pledge because they broke the site with too many people doing it at once.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 14:05:16


Post by: timetowaste85


Those robots are gorgeous!! Let's hit that goal, I want me a robot team, a Zz'or team, a girl team, hell, I want all the teams, who am I kidding? Feth me, I'm dropping more on this KS than I did on the KoW one, and I'll probably drop even more on the Warpath one when it hits. Of course, these newer KSs get more attention from me because my friends ended up loving KoW and want more Mantic.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 15:05:44


Post by: Buzzsaw


 scarletsquig wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
Damn-it zipped up there in the past couple hours. I looked at it earlier and it was "only" 282k. Now it's 289k. And about 40 new strikers added on since yesterday. Holy...crap.


Basically, Mantic has massively rationed The Striker and Jack levels all of a sudden. There are around 150 Jacks and 400 Strikers left. Once they're gone, they're gone, that's it. So, what we're seeing is a surge from people who were on the fence about this, saw the rationed Striker level and went "crap, I gotta do this now or I'll miss it".

If you want in on this, DO IT NOW, because in about 3 days time, you won't be able to get in on it at the "sweet spot".

We just burned through 60 Striker pledges in the space of 6 hours, and I would hate to see anyone on dakka who has been on the fence about this to miss out.

Or you could take a gamble that new pledges identical to Striker which ship *after* December will be added later. But that is basically a giant gamble at this point in time, we don't know what Mantic is or isn't going to pull out of the hat at this point.

They really should have stated the limit on their manufacturing capabilities right from the start rather than springing it on people like this. Not only would have it been better in terms of communication, it would have encouraged more people to pledge earlier.


I find this very problematic: I've been vacillating on the game for weeks (the season 1 teams are very hit-or-miss for me), but I jumped in and got one of the Striker! pledges. Now, that's fine for them that it increases pledge levels at this point, allowing for more stretches, but I'm still vacillating, I've merely grabbed a spot in line since the word is "buy now!".

Of course, the benefit for Mantic is even if people like me decide, at the end, that we're not interested and drop pledge, the deal only gets better at the end of the term, so they will be unlikely to suffer for a few people dropping out.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 15:14:39


Post by: judgedoug


those Draft 1 robots are amazing. I can't wait to get those models.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 15:17:22


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 scarletsquig wrote:
New stretch goal!

Right, all you people who were complaining about "no fat girls" earlier in this thread and ragging on the female team for being too skinny (there were a lot of you!), start pledging.




I think I dated her once...

I like her!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 16:51:22


Post by: Cytisus


Well, the limiting of the number of Strikers worked on me. I'm in for 165 (Striker + shipping). Probably gonna increase the amount in the end for some of the extras...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 17:40:03


Post by: nkelsch


Like the fat girl... torn on the robots.

I feel like in a universe where amazing robots can be built... why would humans ever need genetically augmented super cyber suits? I don't see much difference than a super cyber suit vs a robot. Boils down to Ironman 2 where the almost exact same technology was used to make them basically the same.

I was hoping for a bit of a retro look. Why does a robot need fingers? they are either doing their primary function or 'Off'. I would expect them to have scoop hands which quickly scoop up the ball, possibly via vacuum and then shoot it out of the other arm out of a cannon. I would expect Guard to have "clampy and squeezie" hands or even blunt bashing instruments.

If you are a robot race wishing to live and interact with a humanoid-based civilization, I get being a fully functional robot. If you are just a bot for playing a sport... I dunno why you wouldn't have chainsaw hands.

Also: will the robot team's transforming mechanic possibly include 'replacing' models on the board with different looking models or something?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 17:59:04


Post by: timetowaste85


nkelsch wrote:
Boils down to Ironman 2 where the almost exact same technology was used to make them basically the same.


Robots can't get drunk and have a spread and newspaper article done on them by Vanity Fair girls. I think Tony Stark's liver and loins would like a word with you.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 18:16:46


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I would imagine that we will get 3 robot poses jack guard and striker, and swap them in and out as the robots on the pitch change form

I've suggested to mantic that we move away from the hand for them, giving guards hitty things, strikers shooty things and jacks one of each

we wait and see what happens


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 18:17:07


Post by: GrimmKey


nkelsch wrote:
Like the fat girl... torn on the robots.

I feel like in a universe where amazing robots can be built... why would humans ever need genetically augmented super cyber suits? I don't see much difference than a super cyber suit vs a robot. Boils down to Ironman 2 where the almost exact same technology was used to make them basically the same.

I was hoping for a bit of a retro look. Why does a robot need fingers? they are either doing their primary function or 'Off'. I would expect them to have scoop hands which quickly scoop up the ball, possibly via vacuum and then shoot it out of the other arm out of a cannon. I would expect Guard to have "clampy and squeezie" hands or even blunt bashing instruments.

If you are a robot race wishing to live and interact with a humanoid-based civilization, I get being a fully functional robot. If you are just a bot for playing a sport... I dunno why you wouldn't have chainsaw hands.

Also: will the robot team's transforming mechanic possibly include 'replacing' models on the board with different looking models or something?

They have to conform to the rules(For now, DreadBall EXTREEEEEEEME might get you chainsaw hands) and humans are vain speciesists. So we get a humanoid robot by a rival to the 29ers that's more likely to get along with them than the Smackers, the Steelers, etc. Or that's my guess


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 18:21:36


Post by: AlexHolker


The stated reasoning for the transformation doesn't fly (you've already got Jacks so there's obviously no rule against having a Guard/Striker hybrid, and the difference between a Guard/Striker hybrid and a Guard that can turn into a Striker and back at will is rather arbitrary), so here's how I'd do it: whenever one of your robots is about to enter the field, you have your pit crew do a quick change-out of components, either adding extra armour for protection at the expense of manoeuvrability or the glove for handling the ball and running around. Every player is both a Guard and a Striker, but can only do the one thing until it goes off the field for a pit stop.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 18:29:17


Post by: Mad4Minis


Well, not able to get in on the kickstarter, but might give it a try someday. Even if I dont, I still might pick up some human and robot teams for conversion for other uses.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 19:49:22


Post by: GrimmKey


 AlexHolker wrote:
The stated reasoning for the transformation doesn't fly (you've already got Jacks so there's obviously no rule against having a Guard/Striker hybrid, and the difference between a Guard/Striker hybrid and a Guard that can turn into a Striker and back at will is rather arbitrary), so here's how I'd do it: whenever one of your robots is about to enter the field, you have your pit crew do a quick change-out of components, either adding extra armour for protection at the expense of manoeuvrability or the glove for handling the ball and running around. Every player is both a Guard and a Striker, but can only do the one thing until it goes off the field for a pit stop.

But that doesn't allow for mid-round changes. Imagine you've got one robot who's free. The rest are preventing the other team from moving. BAM, he is able to go from one to another to the third in one turn, just by spending your chips.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 20:12:33


Post by: AlexHolker


GrimmKey wrote:
But that doesn't allow for mid-round changes. Imagine you've got one robot who's free. The rest are preventing the other team from moving. BAM, he is able to go from one to another to the third in one turn, just by spending your chips.

In that case it's still important that the modes be distinct from one another, visually and in role. There should be no Jack mode (because it would only weaken the concept), just a heavily armoured Guard mode with all its joints and vitals protected that can do little but bull rush opponents, that can open up into a Striker mode where its joints are free from its usual constraints but are no longer protected.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 20:40:11


Post by: scarletsquig


New pics of both the MDF and acrylic boards, both have been upgraded to include the score/turn trackers, reserve bench and sin bin:




Looks like 2 different thicknesses of MDF in use on the $25 board, so you're getting a good amount of 3d texture there.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 20:42:20


Post by: GrimmKey


 AlexHolker wrote:
GrimmKey wrote:
But that doesn't allow for mid-round changes. Imagine you've got one robot who's free. The rest are preventing the other team from moving. BAM, he is able to go from one to another to the third in one turn, just by spending your chips.

In that case it's still important that the modes be distinct from one another, visually and in role. There should be no Jack mode (because it would only weaken the concept), just a heavily armoured Guard mode with all its joints and vitals protected that can do little but bull rush opponents, that can open up into a Striker mode where its joints are free from its usual constraints but are no longer protected.

To be fair, this is for DreadBall Season 2, where the rules are a little different, perhaps there's a purpose for the robot to be a Jack, and maybe they've got more tricks up their sleeves. Hopefully when we hit the 325 line, they'll have some more info for us.


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 scarletsquig wrote:
New pics of both the MDF and acrylic boards, both have been upgraded to include the score/turn trackers, reserve bench and sin bin:
Looks like 2 different thicknesses of MDF in use on the $25 board, so you're getting a good amount of 3d texture there.

...Wow. I'm...really liking that MDF board. Dammit, I need to save money.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 20:59:35


Post by: Commander Cain


Nearly at $325k! Looks like some fake pledges again though, we seem to have jumped $4k in the last few minutes...

Aaand hit that goal!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 21:04:38


Post by: Pacific




Mantic has listened to your demands, and acted upon them. She's a real beauty!


That is quite possibly the coolest thing I have ever seen on KS, and definitely the coolest thing that Mantic has ever produced some concept art for.

Pledge confirmed.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 21:11:36


Post by: Souleater


Saw new Chaos Models.

Pledged at Striker!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 21:21:54


Post by: adamsouza



$340,000 – DBR-7 Prototype, Robot MVP


DBR-7 is a cybernetic MVP and one-of-a-kind prototype keeper. Unlike other robots in the league he cannot transform and has instead risen above the usual robotic spectacle and into the ranks of the celebrity with his point-saving heroics. Crowds erupt into cheers when this bot steps out onto the pitch and his veiled operators always make sure to address them with a signature gloved salute.

If we hit this goal we will be able to fund the hulking robot known as DBR-7 and will include him free at Jack and Striker!



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 21:28:14


Post by: Commander Cain


 Souleater wrote:
Saw new Chaos Models.

Pledged at Striker!


Don't blame ya!

Robot MPV is great, the other head options on the site look much better, especially the D one.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 22:57:59


Post by: nkelsch


So robots are athletes out of "Real Steel" where they have operators or are they AI?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/19 23:47:50


Post by: Commander Cain


Well the fluff for the MPV mentions operators so I presume the rest of the robots are as well. Would be great to get some models of the operators maybe as coaches or something!


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Found it!

Mantic wrote:Crowds erupt into cheers when this bot steps out onto the pitch and his veiled operators always make sure to address them with a signature gloved salute.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 02:03:50


Post by: Triszin



where* did you find this picture? it looks awesome and am happy i'm getting one.

i'm kinda disappointed that they didn't go not geth but still these robots look awesome.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 07:49:09


Post by: scarletsquig


^ It's been posted in the kickstarter comments.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 13:33:12


Post by: Rolt


Next Goal:

$354,999 – Coach Renton

Earlier this year we started a Kickstarter for Kings of War, our fantasy miniatures wargame - 1568 backers and $354,998 later and it was an overwhelming success!

When we saw that there was a lot of love for the Coach Renton concept after feedback from the coaches, it only seemed right that if beat the Kings of War goal, we’d mark the occasion by sculpting him as a limited edition Kickstarter model and include one in your pledge to say thanks.



Even though his team was recently beaten by a different Ronald(o), Coach Renton is famed for his flamboyant style, post-match rants and signature dance moves whenever a Strike is made and big points are earned.

If you help us beat the Kings of War Kickstarter Total, we will include a limited edition Coach Renton figure in pledges of Jack and Striker! to thank you for all of your support!

We are building to a massive finish and can't wait to see what happens over the next couple of days. Thanks again! (and yes, we are busy scribbling new drawings!)

PS: If you want to see yourself sculpted as a figure and be immortalised on the cover of the Season 2 Rulebook (which will be available as a hard copy add-on soon, then check out our Man of the Match pledge level!


Looks like they want to try and beat the kings of war kickstarter by ONE WHOLE DOLLAR!, considering this kickstarter still has 10 days left it could easily hit closer to the 500-600,000 mark. Anyway this figure is included due to people asking for it in the kickstarter comments, good to see Mantics listen's to thier fans.




Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 13:34:42


Post by: AlexHolker


Bleh. How about some stretch goals to get the teams down below GW prices per model?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 14:01:13


Post by: judgedoug


 AlexHolker wrote:
Bleh. How about some stretch goals to get the teams down below GW prices per model?


Aren't the MSRP of the team boxes about $3 per model while GW's Blood Bowl team boxes are $4 per model?


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comments of the most recent update

Ahmad F about 2 hours ago
I was hoping Ronnie in a cheerleader dress with pompoms. Oh well. This will do

Creator Mantic Games about 1 hour ago
@Ahmad - Ronnie says you've got two choices - you can take up the $5000 pledge and get exactly that model made :-). Alternatively, if we get to $1,000,000, he'll do it for real!


So all the Mantic haters should now support Dreadball so they can see Ronnie dressed in some cheerleading gear.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 14:58:38


Post by: Alpharius


Not quite the incentive you think it is, I'm afraid!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 15:00:23


Post by: adamsouza


 AlexHolker wrote:
Bleh. How about some stretch goals to get the teams down below GW prices per model?


GW Bloodbowl Team $49.50 for 12 figures is $4.13 per figure ($3.75 per figure for 16 man $60 Human Team)

Mantic Striker Deal $150 for 77 figures is $1.94 per figure

Striker + Coaches + Keepers + 4 season 2 teams is 117 figures for $230, $1.96 per figure

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED !!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 15:15:54


Post by: sparkywtf


And do forget the extra 50 dollars it will be for the 4 season 3 teams that will come out because we are going to pass those stretch goals!

Time to sell that kidney. I wonder if the bank will back a loan with all the plastic guys I have in the closet so I can get some money for all these KS.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 15:23:18


Post by: AlexHolker


GW MSRP is £18 for 10 multipart, plastic models, or £1.80 per model. Dreadball team MSRP is $25 for 8 monopose, plastic models, or ~£1.90 per model.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 15:31:48


Post by: sparkywtf


 AlexHolker wrote:
GW MSRP is £18 for 10 multipart, plastic models, or £1.80 per model. Dreadball team MSRP is $25 for 8 monopose, plastic models, or ~£1.90 per model.


You aren't even comparing apples to oranges there... more like... apples to tomatoes... And don't give me anything about tomatoes being a fruit.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 15:34:17


Post by: judgedoug


 AlexHolker wrote:
GW MSRP is £18 for 10 multipart, plastic models, or £1.80 per model. Dreadball team MSRP is $25 for 8 monopose, plastic models, or ~£1.90 per model.


Comparing sprued plastic to Restic - not really. Can't do side detail (unless sliding core) on sprued plastic. Mantic's figures are not sprued.
So I take it you haven't worked with Restic yet?
I just assembled 20 restic Gore Riders (my first sprueless plastic resin plastic hybrid whatever) and my observations are: more durable than metal, lighter than metal, easier to work with than metal, same detail as metal, cheaper than metal, more expensive than plastic, more detail than plastic. After my Gore Riders I never want to ever use metal again. Which makes my pile of unpainted metal figures very sad.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 15:44:09


Post by: Black Nexus


 AlexHolker wrote:
GW MSRP is £18 for 10 multipart, plastic models, or £1.80 per model. Dreadball team MSRP is $25 for 8 monopose, plastic models, or ~£1.90 per model.


fair enough, not seen these on the list of blood bowl product workshop sell on their website

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat480004a




Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 16:01:20


Post by: judgedoug


holy crap! $15 for a figure? jeez I remember paying $6.50 for the blister of all the trophies in 2004, now it's $29.75? *barf*


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 16:16:08


Post by: AlexHolker


Oh, so now Dreadball is just a Blood Bowl clone, and can't be compared to anything except Blood Bowl?

Here, let me spell it out for you in a way immune to pedantry: I would like it if the MSRP of a Dreadball team was better than $24.99/£15 for 8. Got that?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 16:19:18


Post by: judgedoug


Technically, I did just compare, within Mantic's own range. 10 Gore Riders is MSRP $35, and that's cavalry. I agree 8 guys for $25 is a bad deal, and should be 10 figures. You brought up the Blood Bowl price comparison.

Thankfully it's not something I'm too concerned about as I'll be doing the KS deal, but for Mantic's future expansions it should be a bit more affordable.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 16:26:37


Post by: AlexHolker


I did not bring up Blood Bowl or any Blood Bowl miniature, I brought up GW's 10 man plastic kits, which have a standard price of £18 for 10.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 16:44:42


Post by: judgedoug


My mistake, I read that as the Blood Bowl plastic teams. My apologies, I was wrong, looking back I think I combined your post and another's in my brain.

But that pricing seems wrong, I thought the plastic 10 man boxes of Greatswords and Tomb Guard and such were $45?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 17:10:28


Post by: Dysartes


Out of interest, Alex, is there actually anything you're happy about with this KS? Almost every update seems to fetch a new complaint from you.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 17:14:20


Post by: lord_blackfang




I don't get it. What's he a rip-off of?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 17:15:36


Post by: Dysartes


 lord_blackfang wrote:


I don't get it. What's he a rip-off of?


I believe it is concept art of Mantic's Ronnie Renton as an Enforcer Coach (I think - the armour seems right for Enforcers, anyway).


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 17:16:25


Post by: judgedoug


Honestly that's a very cool mini that can be used for loads of games, including a cool IG character or assassin or something.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 17:18:56


Post by: scarletsquig


Alternate Corporation commander or even better, Forward Observer (assuming that hero stays in the list) for Warpath.

Never mind Dreadball, that's the main use for that Ronnie mini.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 17:19:23


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 AlexHolker wrote:
I did not bring up Blood Bowl or any Blood Bowl miniature, I brought up GW's 10 man plastic kits, which have a standard price of £18 for 10.


Well if Mantic want to get to that point great,

but since restic is not plastic, or as cheap as a raw material I doubt we will hit that point

Mantic are not asking us to pay the larger stretch goals required for plastic tooling either, which is a plus as we get more variety in the game

(the sad part is it means no real pose-ability without conversion)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 17:27:11


Post by: adamsouza


 AlexHolker wrote:
Oh, so now Dreadball is just a Blood Bowl clone, and can't be compared to anything except Blood Bowl?


You actually didn't spell it out what models you were comparing it to in the post of yours I replied to.
I feel Bloodbowl is the ONLY comparable GW product, so that's what I compared to.

Here, let me spell it out for you in a way immune to pedantry:


If wanted to be pedantic about it I would have compared them to terminators (5 for $50), or Ork Lootas (5 for $25), or Tactical Marines ($37.25 for 10), etc....

I would like it if the MSRP of a Dreadball team was better than $24.99/£15 for 8. Got that?


Me to. I would have preferred 16 models for $24.99, or less for that matter, but about $3 a model retail in this hobby isn't outrageous and the kickstarter has lowered the cost per model to under $2


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 19:30:09


Post by: Alpharius


 Dysartes wrote:
Out of interest, Alex, is there actually anything you're happy about with this KS? Almost every update seems to fetch a new complaint from you.


That has seemed to be the trend...

Overall, I think this campaign offers a really good value at certain 'sweet spots'.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 19:53:39


Post by: decker_cky


 adamsouza wrote:
If wanted to be pedantic about it I would have compared them to terminators (5 for $50), or Ork Lootas (5 for $25), or Tactical Marines ($37.25 for 10), etc....


Actually...to be really pedantic, you'd compare to something in finecast, which is the closest material to what Mantic uses, though inferior in quality.

5 Eldar Wraithguard for $59.

Also can't forget the number of 'character' equivalent models included with this set. Add those into the GW calculation and the kickstarter probably is much cheaper per model already.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 20:11:53


Post by: adamsouza


decker_cky wrote:
Also can't forget the number of 'character' equivalent models included with this set. Add those into the GW calculation and the kickstarter probably is much cheaper per model already.


True. True.

When I was looking up BloodBowl prices andI saw the DoomRoller is now $49.50, I thought about it, but decided against it as I was trying to make a reasonable comparison and not completely skew it with GW's outrageous prices.

Nice to hear a kindred spirit on the matter.

Anyhow, If you check my posts on the DreadBall pricing, I was quick to point out how I thought it was expenisve, at first. When they started dumping in extra figures and I heard how much CoollMiniOrNot spent on shipping for the Zombicide kickstarter, I changed my opinion to that it was a good deal. Maybe not MUST HAVE like the Reaper Bones Kickstarter was, but a good deal none the less.

I'm a huge fan of BloodBowl, and while some people don't like to draw the comparison between the two games, Dreadball is like Bloodbowl in all the good ways. The Scifi/Fantasy inspired teams, minaitures, Dice, sport themed, and a bit tounge in cheeck, are things that have won me over.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 20:19:47


Post by: Commander Cain


I think the kickstarter was a good way to go with this. Had they just brought it out through their store I would never have bought it. Maybe picked up a team of two to chop up and fit into another game but I see it as good enough of a deal that I want to be in on the fun!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/20 21:58:53


Post by: GrimmKey


Only about 4k until next stretch!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 00:21:45


Post by: AlexHolker


 Dysartes wrote:
Out of interest, Alex, is there actually anything you're happy about with this KS? Almost every update seems to fetch a new complaint from you.

There is nothing about this Kickstarter that I find good through-and-through. There are many things that could be good with a bit of thought, and a couple that I'd write off completely.

Things like making it possible to buy all the components required to play a game of Dreadball without being forced to buy the 29ers. Or not making the individual teams even more expensive than previous restic models like the Corporation Marines, which are themselves more expensive than the ones that came before that like the Wraiths. Or even little things like not constantly belittling the Corporation for the sake of cheap laughs, or playing Helger straight as a female Dreadball player with an Offensive Line's build instead of making a fat joke.

And I do not say these things because I don't like Mantic (well, except for my indifference towards a sculpted portrait of Ronnie Renton being added to the game), I do not like Mantic because they give me cause to say these things.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 01:01:05


Post by: Black Nexus


you can buy a copy of dreadball without picking up the 29ers. you could get 2 season 2 teams, MDD pitch, cards, counters, refbot, balls and a copy of the rules all for $76


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you can buy a copy of dreadball without picking up the 29ers. you could get 2 season 2 teams, MDD pitch, cards, counters, refbot, balls and a copy of the rules all for $76


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 01:26:05


Post by: RiTides


 scarletsquig wrote:
Basically, Mantic has massively rationed The Striker and Jack levels all of a sudden. There are around 150 Jacks and 400 Strikers left. Once they're gone, they're gone, that's it. So, what we're seeing is a surge from people who were on the fence about this, saw the rationed Striker level and went "crap, I gotta do this now or I'll miss it".

If you want in on this, DO IT NOW, because in about 3 days time, you won't be able to get in on it at the "sweet spot".

We just burned through 60 Striker pledges in the space of 6 hours, and I would hate to see anyone on dakka who has been on the fence about this to miss out.

Or you could take a gamble that new pledges identical to Striker which ship *after* December will be added later. But that is basically a giant gamble at this point in time, we don't know what Mantic is or isn't going to pull out of the hat at this point.

They really should have stated the limit on their manufacturing capabilities right from the start rather than springing it on people like this. Not only would have it been better in terms of communication, it would have encouraged more people to pledge earlier.

Well, that definitely seals it for me- I will not be pledging for this.

Quite a gamble on their part that seems to be paying off. But it feels manipulative to me. They have 1500 Striker pledges available, but only 200 Jack? Those numbers look artificial to me and more as a way to spur flagging demand in the typical slow-down mid-Kickstarter.

So, yeah... I'm not going to be goaded into pledging during the typical slow-down period by making the sweet spot a limited pledge. What will they do when they run out- offer a similar pledge for a bit more?

I'm not going to play that game... so, lost customer here. But it looks like plenty of people are willing to...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 01:37:11


Post by: adamsouza


What will they do when they run out- offer a similar pledge for a bit more?


Similar pledge with a later shipping date.

The limited quantitiy is what they feel they can handle and ship on time (December)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 01:40:41


Post by: AlexHolker


 Black Nexus wrote:
you can buy a copy of dreadball without picking up the 29ers. you could get 2 season 2 teams, MDD pitch, cards, counters, refbot, balls and a copy of the rules all for $76

I stand corrected. I did not see the cards being added.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 01:42:02


Post by: Buzzsaw


 RiTides wrote:
 scarletsquig wrote:
Basically, Mantic has massively rationed The Striker and Jack levels all of a sudden. There are around 150 Jacks and 400 Strikers left. Once they're gone, they're gone, that's it. So, what we're seeing is a surge from people who were on the fence about this, saw the rationed Striker level and went "crap, I gotta do this now or I'll miss it".

If you want in on this, DO IT NOW, because in about 3 days time, you won't be able to get in on it at the "sweet spot".

We just burned through 60 Striker pledges in the space of 6 hours, and I would hate to see anyone on dakka who has been on the fence about this to miss out.

Or you could take a gamble that new pledges identical to Striker which ship *after* December will be added later. But that is basically a giant gamble at this point in time, we don't know what Mantic is or isn't going to pull out of the hat at this point.

They really should have stated the limit on their manufacturing capabilities right from the start rather than springing it on people like this. Not only would have it been better in terms of communication, it would have encouraged more people to pledge earlier.

Well, that definitely seals it for me- I will not be pledging for this.

Quite a gamble on their part that seems to be paying off. But it feels manipulative to me. They have 1500 Striker pledges available, but only 200 Jack? Those numbers look artificial to me and more as a way to spur flagging demand in the typical slow-down mid-Kickstarter.

So, yeah... I'm not going to be goaded into pledging during the typical slow-down period by making the sweet spot a limited pledge. What will they do when they run out- offer a similar pledge for a bit more?

I'm not going to play that game... so, lost customer here. But it looks like plenty of people are willing to...


It's frankly a rather cynical move that is unlikely to be fruitful in the long term, I think. I have some passing interesting in the game, so I grabbed one of the Striker! pledges. Why not, after all? I don't have to pay for some time, and if I don't "get in line" now, I'm out of luck.

But I'm leaning strongly to not getting it. I'm mostly indifferent to the 4 teams that come with the box (much more interested in the season 2 teams), and frankly would probably benefit from waiting for the Warpath KS. But here I sit, holding my place in line on the off-chance something strikes me later.

That just doesn't seem like a great policy on their part.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 01:48:03


Post by: RiTides


Yeah I know, right?

I mean, why shoot yourself in the foot... I'm like any gamer, easily tempted by the clock ticking down and a great deal slipping through my fingers

They suddenly decided, mid-campaign, to take that deal off the table before the end. Thereby really turning off folks who would have pledged at the end otherwise.

It may pay off... but it does not with me, at least...



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 01:54:54


Post by: Bolognesus


Okay, ti,e to clarify some things, obviously.
Buzzsaw, AlexHolker: all this limit means is that this is all they can deliver before christmas. Once these run out, additional sets will be available at the same price, you'll just get them a few weeks or so later.
@black nexus: BOGOF teams are only available at striker! Or above. Two teams:2*40. MDF pitch:25. Counters:10. Cards:8. Refbot+ball:5. Total: $88. Still, valid point.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 02:04:37


Post by: GrimmKey


And we have reached Coach Renton. Hopefully, they wake up and add another stretch goal soon.


WOOP, I spoke too soon, just got the email for the next stretch! Female and Z'zor Keepers!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 02:09:00


Post by: Buzzsaw


Bolognesus wrote:
Okay, ti,e to clarify some things, obviously.
Buzzsaw, AlexHolker: all this limit means is that this is all they can deliver before christmas. Once these run out, additional sets will be available at the same price, you'll just get them a few weeks or so later.
@black nexus: BOGOF teams are only available at striker! Or above. Two teams:2*40. MDF pitch:25. Counters:10. Cards:8. Refbot+ball:5. Total: $88. Still, valid point.


Ehhhhhh... considering how incredibly loose the shipping estimates are on a kickstarter, that seems a lot more like a convenient justification for an attempt to get people off the sidelines then a legitimate excuse. Consider the text of their update:

We are rapidly approaching the end of our first print run and to make absolutely certain that we deliver on all of our promises we've put some caps on the Jack and Striker levels - the two most popular levels for new backers - to ensure that we can meet demand and guarantee that these all ship in time for Christmas. All uncapped pledges (for instance Guard and Cheerleader) are also guaranteed to arrive before Christmas - we're just conscious of the increasing levels we're seeing!

If you've got mates that are looking at this game and are thinking about it, please let them know that know is the time to get in on this once-in-a-lifetime offer!


At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if this is the limit of their print run, why didn't they have the limits from the beginning?

Put another way, I know that's their justification, I just don't care.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 02:15:47


Post by: adamsouza


Keep Ball
Update #51 · Sep. 20, 2012 · 3 comments WOW – amazing stuff guys, we’ve broken our previous Kings of War Kickstarter total with 9 days to go! That means that Coach Renton is now included in Jack and Striker!


We’re going to keep working on finishing Seasons 1 and 2 over the next couple of stretches (Cheerleaders, prone figures, one or two new MVPs and alternate sculpts have all been suggested), starting with these…

$370,000 –Female Corporation and Z’zor Season 2 Keepers



Becoming a Keeper takes years of physical and mental conditioning. Corporations tend to invest in two to three personal coaches to train a single Keeper and often draft in promising new recruits from the army because of their experience with intense training and heavy exertion.



Z’zor Keepers are surgically altered Guards who have demonstrated particular resilience on the field of play. They have a scoop-like claw grafted in place of one of their pincers and hardened armour plates are layered over the previous exo-skeleton to make these beasts even more imposing.

Keepers are upgrades to Guards earned through experience over a league and you can have as many Keepers as you can have Guards. If we pass this goal we will be able to fund two different Season 2 Keeper sculpts – one for the female Corporation and one for the Z’zor – and put them together as a Buy One Get One Free bundle for just $8!

Note that as they are a team of Strikers the Judwan do not have a Keeper. The Robots we’re less sure on but we think they could be a team of Jacks.
Thanks guys!



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 07:10:52


Post by: scarletsquig


 Buzzsaw wrote:

Ehhhhhh... considering how incredibly loose the shipping estimates are on a kickstarter, that seems a lot more like a convenient justification for an attempt to get people off the sidelines then a legitimate excuse.


Mantic doesn't treat the shipping times listed on the kickstarter as an estimate, it treats them as a deadline. All that KoW KS stuff? Already shipped (except obviously for the stuff that hasn't been sculpted/tooled yet).

The bulk of other companies doing kickstarters might treat them as a casual estimate, but Mantic does not. One out of 3 kickstarter projects fail to meet their estimates (sometimes massively), and its one of the things that puts people off of pledging in the first place.

Better that they be up-front about how much they can realistically deliver rather than promise what they can't, especially when "delivery before Christmas" is the goal, people do get really annoyed if that particular date gets missed for some odd reason.

I'm fairly certain we'll see a new late bird striker pledge appear, most likely involving a single delivery of everything at once, sometime in early 2013.


I only posted an encouragement to get a pledge in now before the Striker level runs out as a courtesy to Dakka members paying casual attention to this who might have otherwise missed it.

I'm also fairly certain that this isn't a "cynical ploy" by them (oh jeez, how many times have we heard *that* line in this thread?), as evidenced by the fact that the massive surge in pledges took them completely by surprise and resulted in a 20k stretch without any new stretch goals being posted... and yes, before you post a reply to that, the kickstarter comments filled up with "Mantic is doing this deliberately to get our money without any stretches in return" before the staff even had a chance to wake up, so any continuation of the marketing ploy conspiracy into that territory has already surfaced elsewhere.

I'm really pleased that the cards have been added as optional extras, it looks like people will be able to buy the game without having to buy the initial two teams if they want, now! You can even just buy the one team if you want.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 12:40:09


Post by: RiTides


It has surfaced elsewhere because it's an obvious criticism

It's great that they want to deliver on-time. But if they had those limits, they should've been upfront about it.

You actually said this yourself in the post I quoted, I was simply agreeing with you! And I also agree it was worth posting for Dakka members to get on then if they wanted in. Doesn't mean it's a great move by them, though (as you seemed to agree with).


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 13:26:12


Post by: decker_cky


 scarletsquig wrote:
I'm really pleased that the cards have been added as optional extras, it looks like people will be able to buy the game without having to buy the initial two teams if they want, now! You can even just buy the one team if you want.


More importantly....Striker + set of cards + ref + pitch = 2 people each get a set of the game (then they can add extras and fill out new teams, keepers, etc.. as they want).


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 13:43:41


Post by: Black Nexus


i suspect the limit is there because they hadn't anticipated quite the take up they were going to get bearing in mind that print run isn't just restricted to kickstarter but retail as well. they'd have looked pretty stupid if there was a limit of 2000 strikera in the beginning and they ended with 1500 of them left it would look like a failure.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 15:16:55


Post by: Buzzsaw


scarletsquig wrote:
 Buzzsaw wrote:

Ehhhhhh... considering how incredibly loose the shipping estimates are on a kickstarter, that seems a lot more like a convenient justification for an attempt to get people off the sidelines then a legitimate excuse.
...

I'm also fairly certain that this isn't a "cynical ploy" by them...


Well, Gosh. If their reassurances have convinced you, then how can I possibly quibble with them?

Ahh, just giving you a hard time. The problem is, of course, that if what you/they say is the unvarnished truth, it raises some... interesting questions. Besides, certain facts just speak for themselves.

RiTides wrote:It has surfaced elsewhere because it's an obvious criticism

It's great that they want to deliver on-time. But if they had those limits, they should've been upfront about it.

You actually said this yourself in the post I quoted, I was simply agreeing with you! And I also agree it was worth posting for Dakka members to get on then if they wanted in. Doesn't mean it's a great move by them, though (as you seemed to agree with).


That's the interesting question, about the limits: the reason given for capping Striker! pledges is that they are "nearing the end of the print run", and they want to make sure everyone gets their stuff. But at the same time, they are guaranteeing that Cheerleader pledges will be delivered on time. Cheerleader pledges are simply "2 x Striker! Two of everything from Striker!".

So... they are worried about running out of Striker! packages for Christmas... but if you pay more upfront and buy more, you are guaranteed to get it by Christmas. Not at all curious.

Also, if the print run is coming to an end, does that mean that the print run has already been finalized? If they intend world-wide shipping and delivery by end of December, that seems pretty likely. So... since the kickstarter isn't over yet, how did they finalize the contents of the first print run? I mean, the very first stretch goal was The Ref, who was not going to be a part of any sets (kickstarter or otherwise) unless that stretch was met (she would be bought separately). That goal was met, so all the sets shipping will have The Ref in it.

So either that statement (much argued about in this thread, if I recall correctly) was mere puffery, or they decided, some time between that goal being met and now, to finalize their details on the print run. Before the Kickstarter closed, and before any money actually went to them. So when did they finalize? Why would they finalize, since it was during the kickstarter, with a number of copies that would force a limitation (well, except on people that bought in bulk...)?

Mysteries wrapped in enigmas... woooooo....


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 15:40:57


Post by: adamsouza


362,527 of 370,000 with 9 days to go.

Yesterday in the comments there was mention that Cheerleaders may be heading our way soon.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 17:39:45


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I imagine that the stuff not made by mantic like the box board, rules, cards, card counters were ordered before the KS started, so there was a limit on how many sets they could complete.... probably determined by a combination of how much they could afford, and what they hoped the KS would provide, as we've passed the KOW one with 10 days to go

(they don't seem to have taken delivery of any of it yet to as they are still demoing/videoing prototypes of the board, card counters etc)

When the box and contents arrive at mantic HQ they will then add they figures/hex bases etc that they do make themselves, so no problem with adding a ref figure or anything else like that the KS funds




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Anyhoo

on to the new update

Renton Ramblings - DreadBall update!


Update #52 · Sep. 21, 2012 · 10 comments


When he’s not busy prancing around in a cheerleader outfit, Ronnie talks non-stop about DreadBall and how great it is. John-luc Haywood managed to get a camera in front of him for one of his rambles…

There should be a video here but I can't get it to come across, Ronnie talking about progress, and where he wants the project to go

There are a couple of important points Ronnie has touched on there:

1) Extra packs of cards are available in the extras!



2) Acrylic upgrade packs for your pitches are now available as an add-on the front page including upgraded hex shaped Acrylic Counters!







These packs are fully interchangeable with the Quadrant Zero MDF gaming pitch or the premium Co-prosperity Park Arena - use them to “brand” your pitch in support of your team!



3) Ok, Ronnie might not have mentioned dice but we can confirm that they will be etched and not printed >

Also, we had some questions about the quality of the T-shirts so designer Sam has asked Julian to model this Midgard Delvers t-shirt for us!



They are made in the same material as actual football shirts. Think we're all down for one too!

PS - Ronnie is over in Ireland today meeting up with the guys at Beasts of War. Shaping up to be an exciting weekend I can tell you!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 17:48:02


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Does anyone know which models are Kickstarter exclusives? I'm probably going to wait for retail for the game itself, but I definitely want Wyn Grethski and Batelf...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 17:51:37


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Wyn Grethski is not quite KS exclusive but will be tricky to get (probably conventions, mantic points or some such)

Nightshade is the same almost exclusive

Coach Renton is a KS exclusive

T-Shirts KS exclusive

Dice KS exclusive

The Full Acrylic pitch may well be KS exclusive as Mantic feel it may be too expensive to sell via retail (and if they do the price will rise a fair bit)

that's it so far


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 19:53:17


Post by: GrimmKey


I asked if they're planning on making clear Strike Zones for people wanting to do light-work under the game board(Like for when a score is successfully made), but unfortunately, they're not currently planning this. Nor do they have an option for those of us who cannot attend the convention that the ticket's for.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 20:55:34


Post by: Souleater


I really like the keeper models I've seen for all the races so far.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 21:03:35


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Another tease



ForgeFather MVP guard

not anounced as a target (instead as a new artist tester) but......



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 21:16:12


Post by: Cyporiean


I have a feeling $370k is the goal for that one...


...and that its by Heath Foley.

edit err, not goal, but when we'll see it announced.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 21:16:58


Post by: Souleater


Hmm...does look like he made his own armour while locked in the garage by The Bad Guys (tm)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 22:43:36


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


We hit the target and have not one, but 2 new stretches


$385,000 – Forge Father Alternate Sculpts

We’ve been inundated with requests for more variant sculpts and if we pass this stretch goal we’ll be able to fund three new alternate sculpts for the Forge Father Midgard Delvers – a Striker, a Jack and a Guard. Sculpting these alternate models is like funding a whole new team, so it’s a big undertaking and one we’re sure you’ll help us with!

To say thank you we will upgrade the four Forge Father players from the Full Roster ($250,000) Stretch Goal to these new sculpts* meaning you'll get more variety in your set!



Original Forge Father Concept Art by Roberto Cirillo

But that’s not all - DreadBall is a bloody and violent game and big models on the board sometimes get in the way of play when they’ve been knocked over. To help with this, we’ll also sculpt a “Prone” counter to denote knocked over models at the same time and include one free at Striker! – at the very least it’ll protect your paint jobs!



Prone Counter concept art by new artist Heath Foley for illustrative purposes only – obviously you’ll be getting a Forge Father counter!

That’s one big upgrade for the Forge Father team, but that’s not all we’ve got… you asked for him, so here he is!

$400,000 – Yurik “Painmaster” Yurikson, Forge Father Guard MVP

Yurik Yurikson is notoriously difficult to interview. He doesn't like to talk about how he got into DreadBall, or how he found himself slumming it as a Free Agent for almost a decade before rejoining the Midgard Delvers, or how he once took down three opposing guards with a single Slam. In fact, all Yurik wants to talk about is how much he hates “Brickbat” Vognar, long-serving guard with the Manglers.

The common belief is that it all stems back to a head injury he receives courtesy of the Orc Guard back at SlamBall IV. One thing's for sure, that's the last time he spoke to a journalist without spewing bile about the “worthless son of a Grogun” who “needs to be taught a lesson in pain” and who “won't be so damned cocky with a...” ...well, we can't print the rest of that quote, but I think we all remember it. Yurik's tirades have become legendary, to the point where there's a small legion of fans who watch him play just so they can see what he says before and after the game...



Early Concept Art by Heath Foley - drop us your feedback in the comments and tell us what you want to see!

This would be another amazing milestone number achieved and we’ll be able to fund Yurik “Painmaster” Yurikson – a Forge Father Guard MVP. Often described as the “Iron Ancestor of the DreadBall pitch,” Yurik suits up in full DreadBall armour in anticipation of a chance encounter with “Brickbat” Vognar.

If we hit this goal, we’ll be able to sculpt Yurik and include him in Jack and Striker!, rounding out our 8 Season 2 MVPs!

Have at it guys, that's a big Forge Father upgrade and we've still got plenty of stuff to come - Cheerleaders and more alternate sculpts are around the corner and we've also seen Asterian Concepts (including a note from Roberto saying that the Asterian MVP is one "Sexy pointy-eared" lady.) We're looking forwards to that and Ultimate DreadBall!

*Ships Q2 2013


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 22:49:23


Post by: Rolt


(Looks like Orlando's a faster typer than me /sniped/)

Sexy female space elf MVP you say Mantic?, at first you had my curiosity, now you have my attention.



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/21 23:04:11


Post by: Souleater


Really like the Forge Fathers.

Not so sure about the prone model. I think it would actually be simpler just to lay my lightweight plastic model on it's back then remember if the prone guy is a guard or jack.

I support the inclusion of Alt Sculpts for the original teams. Four identical players would be a bit...er...samey.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 02:35:48


Post by: Salacious Greed


So, let me see if I've got this stretch goal right:

They're going to sculpt different poses. And give us these poses in the 14 forgefathers we're already receiving. So, they're not really adding anything. Since we already unlocked the 14 player teams in Striker. Plus, they really look like the same figure, just with more armor in each pic. So. Not much value.....added. Especially seeing as another kickstarter had $3000 stretch goals to add 5 figures being sculpted for casting. Now, you had to pay for those figures, so the cost was really only for the sculpting there. But, we're not receiving anymore figures in this stretch goal, the same 14 we unlocked earlier. So this one really smacks of money grabbing......


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 03:01:17


Post by: GrimmKey


They're adding something in that they're adding variety to what we're receiving. Before, we would have had 3 or 4 molds spread out throughout 14 figures. They're paying for THREE all new molds. Then add to that the fact that for that SAME STRETCH GOAL, we get an all new piece in the form of a "Prone" Delver(Art that's up currently is for the Smacker Prone). That's pretty awesome for 15k.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 03:37:50


Post by: judgedoug


Methinks there's a lack of understanding of what monopose concept art is


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 06:54:18


Post by: scarletsquig


Yeah, those concepts posted are not the final poses of what the figures will look like. Worth mentioning.

I'm much happier with a bunch of alternate sculpts for this game, I can't see why anyone wouldn't be.

6 different sculpts is a lot better than 3, and Sedition Wars had similar stretch goals to this that people liked.

It directly improves the quality of the final product for every single person who purchases it, either through the kickstarter or outside of it.

It is a textbook example of what kickstarter funding should be doing, allowing a better quality for the models than would have otherwise been possible.

Also, they're looking at "wrapping up" season 1 and 2 at this point in the kickstarter, so expect a few stretch goals like this which simply flesh out the game and produce a quality product.. alternate poses and prone models might be less exciting than a new team or whatever, but at some point you have to dial things back a bit and focus on quality and options rather than quantity.

Dreadball already has more support from Mantic than Bloodbowl does from GW in terms of peripheral extras such as separate cards/ dice/ custom boards, the only areas where it is lacking are the number of teams, and the sculpt variety within those teams.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 07:22:15


Post by: Souleater


Sedition Wars did a similar thing they upgraded the basic game with a few alternate pose models.

Kickstarter isn't simply about free/cheap/exclusive stuff. It is also about improving the core product.

If only KS'ers are getting the alternate models I'd be slightly sad. I would like all boxes to get the alternate sculpts in the main game. I know this might not be possible until after the initial print run because they need to sculpt them.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 09:06:50


Post by: Azazelx


Salacious Greed wrote:
So, let me see if I've got this stretch goal right:

They're going to sculpt different poses. And give us these poses in the 14 forgefathers we're already receiving. So, they're not really adding anything. Since we already unlocked the 14 player teams in Striker. Plus, they really look like the same figure, just with more armor in each pic. So. Not much value.....added. Especially seeing as another kickstarter had $3000 stretch goals to add 5 figures being sculpted for casting. Now, you had to pay for those figures, so the cost was really only for the sculpting there. But, we're not receiving anymore figures in this stretch goal, the same 14 we unlocked earlier. So this one really smacks of money grabbing......


So.. don't pay extra for them? I'm already happy with my pledge. The fact that I'll get some more variation in my figures is a good thing. I'm not being asked to pay any more for it, so I'm ok with it.


I mean, it's not that different to a stretch goal that you're not personally interested in that would cost you more money to buy into. Compare it to:
$270,000
ACHIEVED – Coaches
We’ll sculpt 4 DreadBall Coaches.
Coaches - 2 Figures + 2 Figures free! - $15

Now if you're already at Striker and not interested in a figure of Ronnie and Orcy, then that stretch goal gets you nothing. If you're at Striker and they hit this stretch, you get some alternative sculpts for nothing.

At some point with these things, people need to just be happy with what they pledged for, and not be overcome with... well, not salaciousness, but...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 13:47:04


Post by: decker_cky


 scarletsquig wrote:
Also, they're looking at "wrapping up" season 1 and 2 at this point in the kickstarter, so expect a few stretch goals like this which simply flesh out the game and produce a quality product.. alternate poses and prone models might be less exciting than a new team or whatever, but at some point you have to dial things back a bit and focus on quality and options rather than quantity.


Yeah....at this point the fleshing out will probably include filling out season 2 teams so you can have 14 players when you buy the team with striker, coaches, prone markers for each team, and extra poses for each team. That's probably enough stretches to go all the way to $550-600k.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 15:19:33


Post by: Black Nexus


i can see them mixing in the development of new teams as well to entice the new backers cuz hinting at asterians suggests they'll be around at some point and it keeps it interesting and adds some spark.

Alt scultps - great for variety, loads of people have asked for it so good PR, better core produce

New teams - big story, great news, more variety overall and another chance to win over those that aren't necessarily interested in the initial 8 teams.

sounds about right to me.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 16:12:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Some more News from Mantic in the KS comments (questions & mantics answers/coments are in red, the white is me)

People asked if you needed to get one of each keeper in the $15 for 4 season one, or $8 for 2 season 2 as they didn't plan to get all the teams

You will be able to mix and match your keepers (have two of the same), my guess the season 1 and season 2 keepers still can't be mixed

Following requests from backers:

We will make coloured unbranded Pitch Upgrade packs available.

We'll expand the colour choice from Red and Blue to incorporate 6 more colours at the $20 DreadBall Pitch Upgrade Level.

In addition, for an extra $5 you can upgrade your Co-prosperity Park Arena Premium Game Board ($80) to to have different coloured components (the strike zone, subs bench and sin bin for clarity!).


Following questions about the White Mantic Boxs Ronnie showed off in the most recent video update (would teams come in them for the KS)

We cannot ship the Kickstarter teams in the boxes - either S1 or S2 teams - but they will be available as an extra bundle, we're thinking 2 for $5.

how many figures will a single box hold?

As many as you can fit in it! I've got 20 Skeletal infantry in one at the moment, but we imagine you'll use one case per team.

will the boxes fit the hex bases?

Yes. In fact the bases help the foam grip the models. If you are worried though, the models also snap fit into the bases and can be removed, so you could always not glue them on to the figures



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Another point that came up is that MVPs WILL count towards your 14 player team limit.

So it seems like if you want to be able to field MVPs you'll need to leave an empy space (or more) in your roster


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 17:44:07


Post by: nkelsch


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Another point that came up is that MVPs WILL count towards your 14 player team limit.

So it seems like if you want to be able to field MVPs you'll need to leave an empy space (or more) in your roster


I am curious if the team roster max is 14 models, and most teams will probably have 1-2 keepers and an MVP, why the boxed teams have 8 models?

2 boxes gives you too many models so 3-4 will go to the bitbox. 8 plus 2 goalies and an MVP is 11 which means it is harder to max out your team.

I feel like the box should include 10-12 or there needs to be a way to buy a 4-pack so someone can buy 12 models without having to buy 2 boxes to get 16 models and not use some.

I guess I am assuming the game won't require maxing your roster in a season the same way BB does.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 17:53:01


Post by: adamsouza


6 on the pitch maximum, so the box of 8 already gives you 2 backup players. The Goalie is an upgrade from advancement so I don't know if you can even plan having 1 on your team.

I think it's more of a hot dog and buns scenario. 8 is enough to get you playing, but short of a full roster so you will want to buy a second box.



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 18:03:34


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Well the keepers are only created when one of your guards does something really well (and rolls the apropriate upgrade), so they may not be as common as you think

As to why a box is 8, I suspect it's because that gives you a full team on the board (6) plus 2 substitutes for the bench

2 boxes will let you build a full roster in any way you choose, for example a human team box has 2 x Guards, 3 x Jacks, 3 x Strikers,

but a full roster team can have NO MORE than double the number of players at each position so you could go for

4x Guard/Keeper, 4x Jacks, 6x Striker
or
2x Guard/Keeper, 6xJack, 6x Striker
etc


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 18:04:50


Post by: DaveC


Mantic posted this earlier

Creator Mantic Games about 3 hours ago

The maximum number of players you can have on your roster is 14, and this includes MVPs and Free Agents. You're going to have to be VERY unlucky with your army checks to get through all of your subs!

We will be releasing a team upgrade pack where you can add a smaller amount of models to your teams though.




So it looks like you will be able to buy smaller booster packs later.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 18:10:29


Post by: Rolt


 DaveC wrote:

The maximum number of players you can have on your roster is 14, and this includes MVPs and Free Agents. You're going to have to be VERY unlucky with your army checks to get through all of your subs!


Sorry but what are Free Agents and what do they do?



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 18:30:09


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


My guess is that free agents are normal players of a different race you might want to add to you team

(for mixed teams which will probably arive in season 3/Ultimate Dreadball)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 19:20:49


Post by: Black Nexus


free agents are "free" models you get to include in your roster if you are playing in a league against a team with a higher ranking than yours to balance out play they are like extra player of different species so you can could have a forge father guard in your corporation team if you roll right.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 19:51:18


Post by: adamsouza


 DaveC wrote:
The maximum number of players you can have on your roster is 14, and this includes MVPs and Free Agents. You're going to have to be VERY unlucky with your army checks to get through all of your subs!


From what I read in the rules preview, to put someone out of the game, it looks like you have to beat their armor roll by 4 successes on a 3 die test. It's not impossible when you factor in modifiers, like guard and coaching dice, but I can't see it happening all that often.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 20:41:48


Post by: Rolt


Preview of Number 88 MVP from the kickstarter:




Looking good, the KS is currently at $380,000. Were not far off the next 2 goals.



Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/22 23:21:05


Post by: GrimmKey


Less than 17k until the next set of stretch goals.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 01:24:13


Post by: Azazelx


 adamsouza wrote:
6 on the pitch maximum, so the box of 8 already gives you 2 backup players. The Goalie is an upgrade from advancement so I don't know if you can even plan having 1 on your team.
I think it's more of a hot dog and buns scenario. 8 is enough to get you playing, but short of a full roster so you will want to buy a second box.


Assuming I enjoy the game, I'll just convert any extras I need from various Warpath, Warhammer & 40k Plastics. The various archetypes aren't exactly hard to match with existing ranges...

Having the extras players via the Kickstarter will be handy for us, as the team boxes at retail level are still quite lacking - both in numbers and not having the bases included. This will probably hurt them in the long run, though it won't effect me as I'll have the complete game.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 01:28:19


Post by: GrimmKey


Man, I really hope we get all the prones and the cheerleaders at least...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 02:16:35


Post by: adamsouza


 scipio.au wrote:
 adamsouza wrote:
6 on the pitch maximum, so the box of 8 already gives you 2 backup players. The Goalie is an upgrade from advancement so I don't know if you can even plan having 1 on your team.
I think it's more of a hot dog and buns scenario. 8 is enough to get you playing, but short of a full roster so you will want to buy a second box.


Assuming I enjoy the game, I'll just convert any extras I need from various Warpath, Warhammer & 40k Plastics. The various archetypes aren't exactly hard to match with existing ranges...

Having the extras players via the Kickstarter will be handy for us, as the team boxes at retail level are still quite lacking - both in numbers and not having the bases included. This will probably hurt them in the long run, though it won't effect me as I'll have the complete game.


I agree. The extra models were a factor in me getting the Kickstarter version over waiting for retail. If weren't for all the goodies thrown in with Striker I would probably never have bought a ForgeFarther or Veermen team.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 07:23:17


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


385K achived, so the Forge Father team is upgraded with alt poses and a prone player is added to striker

now on to the painmaster himself at 400K


Automatically Appended Next Post:
A new update with art for the FF prone token



plus a peek ahead to cheerleaders

What do you think?

Heath has produced this great piece of concept art for the Denton Dazzlers Cheerleaders as a possible future stretch goal!



Much like the action on the pitch, DreadBall Cheerleading is a physical sport in its own right and, if Catalina Luvan’s right hook on Goblin Stunner Kruela Dancov is anything to go by, it can be just as bloody. For the most part, DreadBall Cheerleading Troupes belong to individual Stadiums rather than specific teams (though some wealthy Corporation owners employ their own as well) and gone are the days of the Pom-Pom – Cheerleaders instead wear energized Flexire skirts and carry sophisticated ‘shields’ that shimmer with trails of bright colours, team logos, point-scoring explosions and half time advertising. They also make great protection when the crowd starts getting rowdy and begin throwing things…

Jake already has the in-game mechanic for the cheerleaders nailed on and these models will be used in game, so let us know what you think!

PS: There are now only 145 pre-Christmas shipping guaranteed Striker! packages left so if your mates or club members are thinking about getting in on the game, now is the time to get them to do it!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 18:21:38


Post by: scarletsquig


Cheerleaders look great! Really liking this new concept artist, there's a great sense of playfulness in those sketches, which is exactly what you want for a game like this.

Kickstarter commenters are raging about sexism because there aren't any male cheerleaders.

I am really, really hoping Mantic does a hairy male FF cheerleader in nothing but a Borat mankini now, with a nice big "we have listened to your feedback, and here he is!" header for the update.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 18:28:06


Post by: Zweischneid


Cheerleader concepts look great. But will they do them with clear plastic? Will be interesting to see of the transparent parts make it to the final mini (if they make it).


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 18:29:10


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I'm all for that, confound folks expectation

We got Anne Marie Helder, and nobody was expecting her (if the sculpt matches the art it will be one of my favorites)

so now we need Beefcake cheerleaders too!

and we're down to 134 preXmas striker's


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 18:34:48


Post by: Cyporiean


 scarletsquig wrote:
Cheerleaders look great! Really liking this new concept artist, there's a great sense of playfulness in those sketches, which is exactly what you want for a game like this.


Me too, but I'm biased.

Here is a bit more of his art: http://artofhf.wordpress.com/


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 18:42:22


Post by: coyotius


@Cyporiean: Haha...of course you are.

Both artists are good...the previous one gave us the judwan, z'zor and robots...all of which are keeping me as a backer. Without them I think i may have dropped. Or was it the new artist? I dunno, but I can't wait for the robots.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 18:45:22


Post by: Commander Cain


Love the cheerleader concepts! I would like to see the transparent bits made in see through plastic. Pretty sure that would be extremely hard to pull of though.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 19:08:47


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Commander Cain wrote:
Love the cheerleader concepts! I would like to see the transparent bits made in see through plastic. Pretty sure that would be extremely hard to pull of though.


as soon as the art went up several of us asked for the skirt not to be sculpted, just slots so we could stick in a bit of printed clear plastic.

I think we'll have to have the electro-poms cast though, but as those only have the team logo on it will be easier to paint


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 20:36:48


Post by: scarletsquig


 Cyporiean wrote:
 scarletsquig wrote:
Cheerleaders look great! Really liking this new concept artist, there's a great sense of playfulness in those sketches, which is exactly what you want for a game like this.


Me too, but I'm biased.

Here is a bit more of his art: http://artofhf.wordpress.com/


Wow, that's great, really liking that space orc:
Spoiler:


Judging from the file name that was one of the sample pics he sent their way.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 22:59:34


Post by: Azazelx


 scarletsquig wrote:
Cheerleaders look great! Really liking this new concept artist, there's a great sense of playfulness in those sketches, which is exactly what you want for a game like this.

Kickstarter commenters are raging about sexism because there aren't any male cheerleaders.

I am really, really hoping Mantic does a hairy male FF cheerleader in nothing but a Borat mankini now, with a nice big "we have listened to your feedback, and here he is!" header for the update.


Lack of male cheerleaders wouldn't have worried me, but now that you've put a Borat-in-Mankini picture into my mind, I've got a mind to join them to get a figure like that into production! Get over there and "suggest" that to Mantic!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/23 23:56:23


Post by: GrimmKey


I just want some non-humans to cheer on their teams too.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 00:06:36


Post by: Groundh0g


I'm so proud of myself for resisting the urge to jump on this. Been Kickstarter crazy the last couple of months, and I spent a stupid amount on Sedition Wars already. Not to mention that fact that I have enough 28mm Mongols and samurai to keep me busy painting for the next decade or so... Having said that, love the models - the Delvers in particular - and as a huge Bloodbowl fan back in the day, I really hope the ruleset delivers. I could see myself supporting this post-kickstarter once people have had a chance to play a few games and report back.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 01:29:37


Post by: jamsessionein


I've been holding off on this because I know for damn sure I'm never going to have anyone to play this with - all the hobby stores in my area are dead and gone now - but hell, I like the minis. Maybe I can shove some of them into my other tabletop armies. And anyway, I want Mantic to do well... so, in I go.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 06:16:44


Post by: Groundh0g


 jamsessionein wrote:
I've been holding off on this because I know for damn sure I'm never going to have anyone to play this with - all the hobby stores in my area are dead and gone now - but hell, I like the minis. Maybe I can shove some of them into my other tabletop armies. And anyway, I want Mantic to do well... so, in I go.


Well yeah, there's that too. I know I will never actually end up playing Sedition Wars either, that was just the first KS to pull me in thanks to models...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 07:42:47


Post by: Azazelx


Remember guys - Sedition wars and Dread Ball are self-contained miniature boardgames. You don't necessarily need other miniature wargamers to play them with. You just need some friends or a wife/GF/etc willing to play a board game with you.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 10:48:04


Post by: Commander Cain


$400k! I am guessing cheerleaders will be up next. Seeing as that was the latest new concept art.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 10:59:40


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


And the painmaster is in

on to

So here we go - something new for you!

$425,000 – Asterian Team



Jack Concept Art for Art Direction - let us know what you think!

Even before Man began its space age, there had been reports of mysterious beings and fey creatures appearing to a few individuals. Once dismissed as legend, dedicated research has finally proved the existence of the advanced alien race known as the Asterians.

Asterians are naturally inquisitive, and whilst the Corporation spin builds a mythology based on murder and abduction, there are those who leave the safety of their other-plane homes simply to sate their thirst for knowledge. It was these Asterian adventurers (or mercenaries as the Corporation documents them) that first discovered DreadBall for their race, and the allure of glory and physical challenge the game presented was simply too enticing to ignore.

If we hit this goal we will be able to fund the Asterian Team, an alien team with both male and female players.



We will include two figures into Striker! and make the team available as part of our Buy One Team Free Get One Team Free (remember you can mix and match teams – you can have two of the same or two different ones!)

$440,000 – Mellisandra - Asterian MVP



Mellisandra Concept Art - which options would you use?

Mellisandra was once the mercenary chief of the Diabolic Sevens, an Asterian rapid attack force. With her specialized military training and hand-to-hand combat expertize, turning to the pitches of the Galaxy’s Greatest Sport was an easy choice for this glory-hunter.

If we hit this goal we will be able to fund Mellisandra, an Asterian MVP. We will include her in Striker! and make her available as an individual add-on!

There you go guys – have at it! We’re going to be introducing an update to our main page soon to make constructing your pledge super easy so make sure you look out for that!

PS: Did we mention there is just 6 days to go and less than 100 Striker packages left? Best be quick!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 14:22:55


Post by: Black Nexus


awesome. 6 days to go... don't think I can take much more of this

Any ideas on when we might see ultimate?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 15:21:05


Post by: adamsouza


Don't rush it.

Everyday we get some thing new added.

 scipio.au wrote:
Remember guys - Sedition wars and Dread Ball are self-contained miniature boardgames. You don't necessarily need other miniature wargamers to play them with. You just need some friends or a wife/GF/etc willing to play a board game with you.


He's absolutely right. I was starting to sweat who was going to play Dreadball with me, until I realized that with 4 teams and 2 boards no one else needed to buy anything.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 15:56:05


Post by: rosafari


Heads up: I'll be relinquishing an early bird striker in the next few min - decided I only need Guard at most so hopefully one of you can catch it.

EDIT: Out now! And it was Jack I swapped for btw couldn't remember which was which


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 16:47:13


Post by: Souleater


Evil Space Elves FTW!

Out of interest are people finding much interest from other gamers, FLGS, for this game?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 16:54:59


Post by: nkelsch


 Souleater wrote:
Evil Space Elves FTW!

Out of interest are people finding much interest from other gamers, FLGS, for this game?


My bloodbowl friends are a bit of "wait and see", but I showed the Kickstarter to some of my non-wargaming but gamer friends who are interested to play it when I get my models.

I figure if I provide the models and game, people will play it with me and if there is interest and we enjoy it, then people will buy their own or continue to use mine. That is how I have gotten people into Bloodbowl by having 16 teams available





Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 16:56:23


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Game stores ?

No, or rather, not via KS

They seem happy to pick it up via a distributor later (probably makes business sense if you've not got a direct acount with Mantic)

Gamers ?

No huge demand, but if anybody brings along something new it will get played, and if we enjoy it played again, seems it's my turn to bring the new thing


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 17:26:28


Post by: DaveC


 Black Nexus wrote:

Any ideas on when we might see ultimate?


@$500k it would appear

Mantic posted:

"We've just launched two new stretch goals and we have a big event planned if we can get the $500,000 goal with Ultimate "




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Down to 50 pre-Christmas delivery Strikers left now.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 17:45:41


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


There are only


50 Striker slots for pre-Xmas delivery left (gives the best extras)

at the rate they're going I'd say less than 24 hours to grab one


Automatically Appended Next Post:
we're sure they'll be replaced with a 2013 delivery version, but pre-Xmas, that could count as a present!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 18:23:02


Post by: GrimmKey


I've pledged 300 bucks with Striker. That's...really all I can afford, maybe 5 bucks more if they've got something I NEED. As it is though, I should have about 50 bucks to work with after what they currently offer's through.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 22:03:33


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Mantic have shuffled round the number of sets available at different pledge levels, reducing keeper and jack to open more pre-Xmas Striker slots

so at the moment there are

25 Keeper level slots ($80) - the basic game

40 Jack level slots ($100) - the game plus some free bits

126 Striker level slots ($150) -the game & most free stuff


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/24 22:32:52


Post by: GrimmKey


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Mantic have shuffled round the number of sets available at different pledge levels, reducing keeper and jack to open more pre-Xmas Striker slots

so at the moment there are

25 Keeper level slots ($80) - the basic game

40 Jack level slots ($100) - the game plus some free bits

126 Striker level slots ($150) -the game & most free stuff

Assuming they sell ALL of that and get no more cash...we might be just under 700k.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 00:02:05


Post by: Azazelx


Hm, this is starting to get expensive. Any word on whether we'll be able to add additional stuff after the fact? Especially with the final stretch goal frenzy-type thing and people around the globe being asleep (Female soldiers on DFG's KS, etc)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 00:04:46


Post by: Commander Cain


I decided to add the coaches and keepers to my pledge. I get the feeling that if I don't get them now I will regret it later on!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 01:37:55


Post by: adamsouza


$150 Striker
$25 MDF Board
$50 4 Season 2 Teams
$15 Season 1 Keepers
$8 Season 2 Keepers
$15 Coaches
$8 Multi Base
$10 Trophy
$8 Wayne Gretzki
$8 Nightshade

They are killing me


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 02:08:33


Post by: coyotius


@adamsouza: Are you buying extra MVPs? I thought those were included in Striker.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 02:10:27


Post by: Buzzsaw


 adamsouza wrote:
$150 Striker
$25 MDF Board
$50 4 Season 2 Teams
$15 Season 1 Keepers
$8 Season 2 Keepers
$15 Coaches
$8 Multi Base
$10 Trophy
$8 Wayne Gretzki
$8 Nightshade

They are killing me


Wait, what? Wayne and Nightshade are extra? Why are they pictured on the Striker! guide? Seriously, this is what it says;


Striker! – Get all of this!

Ships free in the USA and UK. Everywhere else please add $15 to your pledge.


If Wayne and Nightshade are not included, then that is wildly (possibly illegally) misleading.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 02:15:54


Post by: coyotius


I think he's stocking up since they're "limited edition". They're definitely in Striker...not a bad idea if you want to hoard 'em in case the game gains traction down the road.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 02:18:52


Post by: Buzzsaw


 coyotius wrote:
I think he's stocking up since they're "limited edition".


That makes more sense. Although the fact those two MVPs are outlined in yellow seems to have no significance whatsoever. I can't seem to find any information to support the idea that they aren't included in the pledge levels.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 02:27:31


Post by: Cyporiean


I believe they are in yellow because they are Kickstarter exclusive (or close to it)


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 04:10:06


Post by: adamsouza


 coyotius wrote:
I think he's stocking up since they're "limited edition". They're definitely in Striker..d.


I learned with Zombicide that my friends who I get to play the game will want the kickstarter exclusive stuff.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Well would you believe it – with 5 days still to go, the Asterian Team are in!


That’s now 2 Asterian players added to Striker! and the team is now available to pick-up as part of Buy One Get One Free!

Right then, let's get this fortune hunter locked down...

$440,000 – Mellisandra, Asterian MVP


Mellisandra Concept Art - we're hearing current boots and shoulder pad, alternate glove and chest plate, and then head with half shaven hair. That sounds great to us!

Mellisandra was once the mercenary chief of the Diabolic Sevens, an Asterian rapid attack force. With her specialized military training and hand-to-hand combat expertize, turning to the pitches of the Galaxy’s Greatest Sport to seek her fortune was an easy choice for this glory-hunter.

If we hit this goal we will be able to fund Mellisandra, an Asterian MVP. We will include her in Striker! and make her available as an individual add-on!

Mellisandra might be one-hard nosed lady, but the sport needs it's glamorous side too:

$460,000 – The Denton Dazzlers, Cheerleader Troupe


Much like the action on the pitch, DreadBall Cheerleading is a physical sport in its own right and, if Catalina Luvan’s right hook on Goblin Stunner Kruela Dancov is anything to go by, it can be just as bloody. For the most part, DreadBall Cheerleading Troupes belong to individual Stadiums rather than specific teams (though some wealthy Corporation owners employ their own as well) and gone are the days of the Pom-Pom – Cheerleaders instead wear energized Flexire skirts and carry sophisticated ‘shields’ that shimmer with trails of bright colours, team logos, point-scoring explosions and half time advertising. They also make great protection when the crowd starts getting rowdy and begin throwing things…


The Denton Dazzlers are one of the Galaxy’s most famous Cheerleading troupes and if you help us pass this goal, we’ll be able to fund sculpts for them. Cheerleaders will have a physical in-game effect just like the Coaches, as Jake explains in his initial brief:

Everyone loves cheerleaders, and DreadBall fans are no exception. Whether they are human, alien or robot, cheerleaders are part of the DreadBall experience, helping to wind up the fans into a fever pitch of excitement.

Currently their rules are still being playtested, but it looks like they’ll work something like this.

Coaches will be able to buy one or more cheerleaders as part of their team. At the start of each game the cheerleader models are placed on the scoring track, one model per space, starting at 1. During the game, whenever the team scores you move the tracking marker as normal. If it lands on a space containing a cheerleader then she/he/it rouses the crowd to even greater enthusiasm and you make an immediate Fan Check (on top of any you got from the Strike itself). The cheerleader model is removed from the scoring track and placed next to the team’s subs bench. Other Coaching Staff may be able to reposition the Cheerleaders during the match to make the most out of their skills.

A Fan Check, in case you didn’t know, is one of the ways the cards are used. This is a test to see how much support the fans give the team, and counts towards generating extra Coaching Dice.

These rules will be playtested and tweaked ahead of the Season 2 launch next year, but the ability to generate extra coaching dice - essentially free one-use only dice - is invaluable. If we hit the goal, we'll be able to sculpt the Troupe and make them available as a pack of four models for $15 - that's two figures for free!

And there we are guys, another stretch bites the dust! Let's get that MVP - still plenty more to come!





Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 11:39:50


Post by: Black Nexus


That makes more sense. Although the fact those two MVPs are outlined in yellow seems to have no significance whatsoever. I can't seem to find any information to support the idea that they aren't included in the pledge levels.


they are limited edition. you get them in striker and you can add extra on in the addon section but they are only available as part of the kickstarter and probably a couple of other places like mantic points and convention.

seriously i don't know how them being a different colour or listed in the extras means they are not in striker...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 16:36:25


Post by: DaveC


Surprised no one has posted this yet:

Dreadball Ultimate - Mech



Article from BoW:

http://www.beastsofwar.com/dreadball/dreadball-ultimate-dreadball/

These should start appearing at or after $500k.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 16:44:49


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


And Jake on his blog talking about Ultimate Deadball

http://quirkworthy.com/2012/09/09/ultimate-dreadball/



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and Mantic has just posted the Mech in Update 59 together with

PS - The Kickstarter is coming to an end soon and with less than 100 guaranteed pre-Christmas shipping Strikers! left and an incredibly limited amount of Jacks ($100) and Keepers ($80) we will not be able to increase the Striker! level again – if your friends are on the edge or if you know anyone who will want it under the Christmas tree, now is the time to act!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 17:31:47


Post by: PsychoticStorm


if they drop it after the Christmas pledges fill up, it will be a vast disappointment.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 17:32:39


Post by: Souleater


 DaveC wrote:
Surprised no one has posted this yet:



Too busy arguing about cheerleaders!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 18:08:07


Post by: nkelsch


Just give me my models already!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 18:17:38


Post by: Souleater


Really not sure about Mechs to be honest.

I'd be more in favour of rounding out the teams and adding alt poses to any existing teams lack them.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 18:25:26


Post by: GrimmKey


 Souleater wrote:
Really not sure about Mechs to be honest.

I'd be more in favour of rounding out the teams and adding alt poses to any existing teams lack them.

More Ultimate Dreadball for the rest of us!


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MVP is gotten as of 2:37! Onwards to Cheerleaders and Mechs!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 18:45:56


Post by: nkelsch


Yeah, I am not sure the game needs 'big guys'. I would like to get my models and play before considering big guys.

I would support more alternative poses and overall variety over more models... Save something for a next year kickstarter.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 18:50:08


Post by: porkuslime


Asterian MVP is a go!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 18:56:24


Post by: PsychoticStorm


nkelsch wrote:
Yeah, I am not sure the game needs 'big guys'. I would like to get my models and play before considering big guys.

I would support more alternative poses and overall variety over more models... Save something for a next year kickstarter.


well given their next kickstarter is rumored to be the warpath, if this mech is a civilian version of a military mech, they are saving up mould costs with it for the next kickstarter.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 19:03:03


Post by: GrimmKey


The mechs were hinted at early on, and were one of the reasons I've dropped so much cash for this game. The mechs aren't for the first or second seasons though, they're for Ultimate, and there's still one more game left to reveal(Extreeeeeeme, wasn't it?). ONWARD, friends, onward into the shiny future where the blood wipes right off the field!


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 19:22:21


Post by: scarletsquig


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
nkelsch wrote:
Yeah, I am not sure the game needs 'big guys'. I would like to get my models and play before considering big guys.

I would support more alternative poses and overall variety over more models... Save something for a next year kickstarter.


well given their next kickstarter is rumored to be the warpath, if this mech is a civilian version of a military mech, they are saving up mould costs with it for the next kickstarter.


Bingo. There are already rules for mechs in the Warpath Corporation army list.. quick swapout of the dreadball glove arm with a gun and there you have it.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 21:06:59


Post by: Black Nexus


I would support more alternative poses and overall variety over more models...


well the corporation, marauders and the forge fathers are done and all three goals seemed to damage the surge they were having. they promised to do the Veer-myn so we will see them before it ends remember there are still four days left and they are going to keep blowing through these things so i suspect we'll see it towards the end when everyone clamours to get on board before it finishes.

think it's one of those nice thing to have type goals, but one that doesn't attract new backers, only improves the offering for the current backers without adding any extra cash to the total.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 21:49:15


Post by: Souleater


I've been looking at the Warpath site and have come to the conclusion that the Dreadball models are of a superior sculpt. Are my old eyes deceiving me or have Mantic improved their sculpting/casting since those WP models were done?

I saw a WiP of the Ogres in the Kings of War thread and they looked much better than Mantic's earlier stuff.

OT: I want to fund DreadBall...not make Warpath cheaper.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 22:03:40


Post by: Buzzsaw


 Souleater wrote:
I've been looking at the Warpath site and have come to the conclusion that the Dreadball models are of a superior sculpt. Are my old eyes deceiving me or have Mantic improved their sculpting/casting since those WP models were done?

I saw a WiP of the Ogres in the Kings of War thread and they looked much better than Mantic's earlier stuff.

OT: I want to fund DreadBall...not make Warpath cheaper.


I would say that what we're seeing is the virtues of having a single talented sculptor tackle an entire range. Remy Tremblay is, to the best of my knowledge, responsible for a great deal of the previewed sculpts (also the Ogres that have been previewed), and his style admirably suites the Warpath/Dreadball aesthetic/Universe.

This is not to say that the previous sculpts were bad (or, indeed, that they were not done by Tremblay), just that, like the Dark Eldar relaunch, having a single unified aesthetic created by having a single hand behind everything can reap dividends.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/25 22:12:05


Post by: Souleater


If the rest of the range is as good as, say, the Marauders then we're going to have a great set of models.


I think we're going to have to compromise - Ultimate DeadBall is in fact going to be about a bus full of Cheerleaders that takes a wrong turning into an abandoned chemical works and are hunted down by a psychotic mech-pilot raging about hurtful comments regarding the size of her mouth.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 01:51:15


Post by: GrimmKey


So it would seem that the guys from Penny Arcade struck again...Should I be irritated that they've forced themselves into two games now? Granted, they're paying for it, but...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 01:54:41


Post by: Buzzsaw


GrimmKey wrote:
So it would seem that the guys from Penny Arcade struck again...Should I be irritated that they've forced themselves into two games now? Granted, they're paying for it, but...


Yeah, am I alone in not being a crazy big fan of those guys? Not that I dislike them, I just don't really see a model of them as... you know, something I would pay for...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 01:56:27


Post by: Vain


 Buzzsaw wrote:
GrimmKey wrote:
So it would seem that the guys from Penny Arcade struck again...Should I be irritated that they've forced themselves into two games now? Granted, they're paying for it, but...


Yeah, am I alone in not being a crazy big fan of those guys? Not that I dislike them, I just don't really see a model of them as... you know, something I would pay for...


I am fine with it as it usually means there will be a massive influx of Penny Arcade fanboys/girl dumping a not inconsiderable amount of money and boosting the overall value of the kickstarter.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 02:02:23


Post by: GrimmKey


 Vain wrote:
 Buzzsaw wrote:
GrimmKey wrote:
So it would seem that the guys from Penny Arcade struck again...Should I be irritated that they've forced themselves into two games now? Granted, they're paying for it, but...


Yeah, am I alone in not being a crazy big fan of those guys? Not that I dislike them, I just don't really see a model of them as... you know, something I would pay for...


I am fine with it as it usually means there will be a massive influx of Penny Arcade fanboys/girl dumping a not inconsiderable amount of money and boosting the overall value of the kickstarter.

We can hope, we can hope. I'm a fan of Penny Arcade, but...they're clowns most of the time, so it feels weird as hell when they're being portrayed as heroes.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 02:04:02


Post by: Cyporiean


I'm just glad its not a stretch goal.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 02:07:47


Post by: nkelsch


 Buzzsaw wrote:
 Souleater wrote:
I've been looking at the Warpath site and have come to the conclusion that the Dreadball models are of a superior sculpt. Are my old eyes deceiving me or have Mantic improved their sculpting/casting since those WP models were done?

I saw a WiP of the Ogres in the Kings of War thread and they looked much better than Mantic's earlier stuff.

OT: I want to fund DreadBall...not make Warpath cheaper.


I would say that what we're seeing is the virtues of having a single talented sculptor tackle an entire range. Remy Tremblay is, to the best of my knowledge, responsible for a great deal of the previewed sculpts (also the Ogres that have been previewed), and his style admirably suites the Warpath/Dreadball aesthetic/Universe.

This is not to say that the previous sculpts were bad (or, indeed, that they were not done by Tremblay), just that, like the Dark Eldar relaunch, having a single unified aesthetic created by having a single hand behind everything can reap dividends.


Agree. Also, these seem to be a little 'hero-scale' opposed to relaistic. Giant head-sized fists. But the suits look like they got beefy people inside them where the warpath ones seem to look like skinny robots.

So it is either they are getting better or the 'hero-scale' just looks better with these designs. They are almost like between realistic and GW hero-scale. splitting the difference, and it looks good.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 02:13:53


Post by: GrimmKey


 Cyporiean wrote:
I'm just glad its not a stretch goal.
Yeah, I was worried when I first saw it that that would be the case. Limited release I don't have to get unless I want it? Fine and dandy, sirs, fine and dandy.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 02:22:21


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


GrimmKey wrote:
So it would seem that the guys from Penny Arcade struck again...Should I be irritated that they've forced themselves into two games now? Granted, they're paying for it, but...


What's the other one?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 02:34:46


Post by: Cyporiean


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
GrimmKey wrote:
So it would seem that the guys from Penny Arcade struck again...Should I be irritated that they've forced themselves into two games now? Granted, they're paying for it, but...


What's the other one?


Relic Knights and Zombicide.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 03:32:48


Post by: Groundh0g


Groundh0g wrote:
I'm so proud of myself for resisting the urge to jump on this. Been Kickstarter crazy the last couple of months, and I spent a stupid amount on Sedition Wars already. Not to mention that fact that I have enough 28mm Mongols and samurai to keep me busy painting for the next decade or so... Having said that, love the models - the Delvers in particular - and as a huge Bloodbowl fan back in the day, I really hope the ruleset delivers. I could see myself supporting this post-kickstarter once people have had a chance to play a few games and report back.


...and 48 hours later, I pledge $215...


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 03:53:28


Post by: GrimmKey


Groundh0g wrote:
...and 48 hours later, I pledge $215...

Whatcha getting?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 04:37:34


Post by: Groundh0g


GrimmKey wrote:
Groundh0g wrote:
...and 48 hours later, I pledge $215...

Whatcha getting?


Striker, the 4 extra teams, and $15 shipping.


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 04:38:44


Post by: GrimmKey


Groundh0g wrote:
GrimmKey wrote:
Groundh0g wrote:
...and 48 hours later, I pledge $215...

Whatcha getting?


Striker, the 4 extra teams, and $15 shipping.

Cool, but whatcha gonna do if they add in a 6th team?


Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - Completed! - 3 seasons fully funded! @ 2012/09/26 05:14:54


Post by: Groundh0g


Up my bid, most likely....... :S