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What would they have to pack into the retail boxes? There aren't any extras included in them, they could just ship it straight out when it arrived. In fact, even the metal Wilcard that was sent with each retail box wasn't packed into it, just sent along in a bag with it.

The MVPs were delayed only in as much that they were supposed to be in the boxes when they arrived in the country and weren't. There was never a big box scheduled to turn up two weeks later, and Mantic didn't always plan for the KS to go out after the retail copies, like you're desparately suggesting.

You honstly don't seem stupid enough to believe the crap you keep posting, so at this point I'm just assuming you're trolling for some purpose and will gladly put you on ignore. Have fun!

Riquende, it is my understanding that everything arrived unpacked down to the level that the DB boxes themselves were flat and actually needed assembling - I have not however double-checked this.

Zwei - I didn't say the FF/VM/MVPs were on time either, all I said was they hadn't arrived at the point that the basic boxes were ready to go.

Riquende, Zwei's meta is to roam round the major forums playing devil's advocate most of the time, there's no point in getting wound up by it. If he wants to infer that the order of actions Mantic took to meet their promises on time to as many people as possible (they had promises to retailers too) as indication they'd have screwed KS backers if the circumstances had been different, well that's up to him. You can always go and amuse yourself by reading his attempts to justify Maelstrom's ethically (and maybe legally, we'll see) objectionable behaviour over on The Warhammer Forum if you've got time to kill.

Devil's advocate or not. Your story, as presented here, has some fairly obvious holes in it.

If you cannot convincingly explain it to me, without contradictions, why higher powers just happend to conspire in just such a way that it would hit Kickstarter-Backers, but not retailers, without ever a conscious decision being taken at Mantic to put a priority for retailers in there, how could you hope to convince people genuinely aggrieved about it?

I guess the thing that is important to me is:

Mantic never promised to deliver to kick starter backers before they delivered to retailers that I know if. They DID promise to meet a certain shipping date and have done so.

You can quibble about the right/wrongness of their decision to ship to retailers first, but they seemingly DID keep the promise they made.

Zweischneid, like sedition wars mantic go though an agent in china who sources all of the printers and packaging, and models, and get them all built up. the packagin and printers ****ed up so mantic sourced it locally in nottingham. the molds and figures were unaffected so had to be shipped in from china.

hence print came in whilst models were on a boat, thus ff/vm and mvps held up the KS, delayed as the agent was busy trying to fix both the print for sedition wars and mantic. not a coincidence that it's also the models for sedition wars that all holding that up, despite cmon showing pictures they have boxes in their warehouse which means they probably sourced it locally as well.

course then mantic had to package it all themselves, causing delay and retail originally was meant to be launched in October but was held back to ship with the kickstarters, meaning the print would have actually delayed the trade launch.

 Black Nexus wrote:

course then mantic had to package it all themselves, causing delay and retail originally was meant to be launched in October but was held back to ship with the kickstarters, meaning the print would have actually delayed the trade launch.

What I said, no? If the print issue actually delayed the trade/retail launch, and it still happened before the KS-pledge shipping, than there never was a plan to ship/release retail and KS stuff simultaneously. Right?

 Black Nexus wrote:

not a coincidence that it's also the models for sedition wars that all holding that up,

And by your description, it seems to be the exactly opposite problem of what's ailing Sedition Wars, if Sedition Wars has problems with the miniature, but Mantic has problems with the packaging?


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CptJake wrote:


You can quibble about the right/wrongness of their decision to ship to retailers first, but they seemingly DID keep the promise they made.

I don't quibble about the right/wrongness of their decision. I quibble with (or at least doubt) the claim that no such decision was ever made and retailers-first was just a "coincidence" of supply-chain issues outside their influence.

i'm saying both had problems with packaging and sorted it quickly, whilst still waiting for the miniatures to turn up on a boat, causing the delay. For the record, Mantic have never blamed packaging and print, only ever the MVPs. Sedition Wars models are still on a boat someplace, and will be delivered over a month late... maybe 2?

What I said, no? If the print issue actually delayed the trade/retail launch, and it still happened before the KS-pledge shipping, than there never was a plan to ship/release retail and KS stuff simultaneously. Right?

No, KS were meant to ship first. Retail was pushed back until the end of november, delaying it by a month over the original plan so they shipped the same time as KS. 300 KS were meant to ship in Jan but they reduced the number available to trade to make those 300 ship the same time as the other KS. The MVPs delayed the KS by a week or two, pushing them into december (and then assembly as well!) but retail, already delayed by a month had to ship in the last week of November. They all still went in the same shipping window, just trade turned up first, a significantly reduced number to what had to ship to Kickstarter.

What I'm saying is that if the KS hadn't happened, DreadBall was planned to launch in October but the packaging delay would also have delayed it to the end of November IMO. Ifs and buts though...

Regardless, it's all shipped now and plenty of people have the game so i'm looking forwards to getting some games in. I got what I pledged for... an improved game and get a load of cool toys, some of which other people won't have , in december ahead of christmas as a present for my son (which I'll also pay cuz he won't paint them).

I got mine two days ago, and so far my only complaint was that I didn't get enough bases for everyone. Two of my MVPs are going baseless because I accidentally glued the coach and refbot down to bases before realizing I needed two more bases.

Does anyone know if Mantic will be selling dreadball bases at some point? I'm pretty sure I won't have enough even with the extra pack I ordered.

Pretty sure they are. I believe they come in 10 packs but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

As I understand the whole thing the MVP's were actually earlier then expected. Mantic made a concious decision to hold up on shipping the kickstarter rewards so that they could include the first 8 MVP's. The retail release although a week or so earlier didn't get the MVP's.

I got my copy yesterday, there was a nice big hole punched in the box but luckly nothing was damaged. I also apparently got a shirt that I don't remember pedgeing for.


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Bases come in packs of 48, it was possible to add on additional packs of bases through their pledge manager. count again and if your actually missing some bases let me know and I'll throw a few in the mail.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

Bases come in packs of 48, it was possible to add on additional packs of bases through their pledge manager. count again and if your actually missing some bases let me know and I'll throw a few in the mail.

Ah, that's the problem.

4 10-man teams + 8 mvps + refbot + coach Renton = 50

I was right, my mistake was putting rebot and the coach on bases.

You misread his post. He did not say retail didn't require packing, he said they did not require extras meaning the packing was quicker just as people who only ordered Jacks from the KickStarter got their's before Strikers (oh the travesty that people who spent less on the KS got them sooner! Torches and pitchforks!). Those extras, as has been well-explained already, were the reason the KS pledges went out as they did.

However, this was not secret knowledge. Even if you ignored the KS updates, a launch date of November 20th when all KS pledge levels estimated December delivery should have been clear enough. It's also worth noting that Mantic has met their end of the deal by delivering on-time/early, despite what those thumping their chests about lawsuits would have you believe. I've not heard of other KSers that were that successful managing the same.

As we have previously discussed, the KS did not fund the core game for Mantic. That was likely already in production when the KS launched. The MVPs and restic teams were the last items in, did not go into the retail boxes, and were some of the big improvements that we DID pay for via the KS. I'm just not seeing why you feel the need to try and paint Mantic as some sort of villain.

The worst the can really be accused of is not wanting to spend thousands of dollars/pounds to airmail an extra 2000 boxes to soothe some egos to then have to follow with the extras. They also could have sent everyone basic boxes, then held back the other teams and MVPs for the second shipment. Somehow the option that gets me less stuff and the option that costs Mantic an unreasonable amount of money seem less preferable to assuming your customers are human adults and can wait an extra couple of weeks for something better.

 Krinsath wrote:

However, this was not secret knowledge. Even if you ignored the KS updates, a launch date of November 20th when all KS pledge levels estimated December delivery should have been clear enough. It's also worth noting that Mantic has met their end of the deal by delivering on-time/early, despite what those thumping their chests about lawsuits would have you believe. I've not heard of other KSers that were that successful managing the same.

Additionally, the hundreds of backers whose pledges had a January 2013 delivery date are very very happy as they have their Dreadballs in time for Christmas. Mantic didn't just deliver on-time, they delivered early for those people.

I feel that Mantic went above and beyond on this Kickstarter. I pledged for a different Kickstarter in April with a delivery date of June. Guess what? It's December and I don't have what I pledged for still! Weather or not Mantic intentionally shipped to retailers first or not is not really the point. The point is that we all have our stuff well before the delivery date on the Kickstarter. Kudos to you Mantic!

Got mine in this week, got everyone shorn of the worst part of the sprues and flash. Now just to find some good superglue and figure out some paint schemes(Thinking my Veer-Myn Heap Kings are going to be yellow, green, and orange for their unis, still planning on my Orx/Gob XNOs.)

 Rainyday wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

Bases come in packs of 48, it was possible to add on additional packs of bases through their pledge manager. count again and if your actually missing some bases let me know and I'll throw a few in the mail.

Ah, that's the problem.

4 10-man teams + 8 mvps + refbot + coach Renton = 50

I was right, my mistake was putting rebot and the coach on bases.

The teams were only meant to be 8-man but were mispacked with 10, that's why you're short. Not sure if that means anyone pledging for the alternate sculpts will get 4 or 6 models next year.

Well had my first game (against a human opponent and I was teaching him) on tuesday and had an absolute blast. Orxs vs humans went down to the nail with a 4+ on the last action of the last rush deciding the game, humans won by 1 but lost out by having 3 fatalities (both guards and a striker). It was a learning experience both of us being blood bowl players it took some getting used to just how fast of a game it is. Biggest mistakes of the game was mine I played the first 12 rushes thinking my goblin jacks had a skill of 5+ not the 4+ they actually have (which makes the 4pt strike they achieved in the game even more impressive) and failing to get fan checks for the fatalities.

All in all impressed and can't wait to try it out again.

Nice, Strange Dude! I'd be interested in seeing a "battle report" of some games to see how it plays (or maybe it'd be called a play-by-play, with pics preferably )

i took some pictures of all the content in the box
it is pic heavy and i did not want to flood this pictures. "didnt know if i should?"

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/496104.page#5103491

Does the box naturally come with 48 hex bases? I ask because I bought a set of 48, and my box only had 48, but some of the posts here make it sound like the box is supposed to come with enough hexes for all your players.

EDIT: Also, would Proxie Models' hex bases work on the Dreadball Pitch?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does the box naturally come with 48 hex bases? I ask because I bought a set of 48, and my box only had 48, but some of the posts here make it sound like the box is supposed to come with enough hexes for all your players.

EDIT: Also, would Proxie Models' hex bases work on the Dreadball Pitch?

Don't know yet.. just ordered a pack of Proxie hexes to find out.. will let you all know when I get them...

The Striker box comes with 48 clear bases, the issue is that they included and extra 2 minis per team that were packaged in the sets in error,

Cannot really complain as you are getting extras and anyway I had more ordered for when the Season 2 and Three teams make their appearance.

No the striker package only comes with 48 free hex bases, just look at the striker graphic on the KS homepage

(they arn't in the basic game either)

They were introduced before the teams expanded and the MVP numbers ballooned

Triszin wrote:
i took some pictures of all the content in the box
it is pic heavy and i did not want to flood this pictures. "didnt know if i should?"

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/496104.page#5103491

Nice pics but you should try putting them in the Dakka gallery instead, now that they're up. That way, you can post smaller versions in the thread (it automatically generates several sizes for posting, you usually want the Medium, I believe 640 x 480). As it is that page takes forever to load

 RiTides wrote:

Triszin wrote:
i took some pictures of all the content in the box
it is pic heavy and i did not want to flood this pictures. "didnt know if i should?"

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/496104.page#5103491

Nice pics but you should try putting them in the Dakka gallery instead, now that they're up. That way, you can post smaller versions in the thread (it automatically generates several sizes for posting, you usually want the Medium, I believe 640 x 480). As it is that page takes forever to load

Wait. How do we generate these smaller sizes? I have always been stuck posting huge pictures as I crop them before uploading so they end up huge!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
No the striker package only comes with 48 free hex bases, just look at the striker graphic on the KS homepage

(they arn't in the basic game either)

They were introduced before the teams expanded and the MVP numbers ballooned

So, then I should ask them about the additional 48 hex bases I bought that didn't show up...Or are they due in the second box?

I know I'm due more hex bases in the second shipment

(and they're on the list I got of stuff coming in the 2nd shipment that's on the invoice)

Have a look at your list and if they're missing drop mantic a line

I did not buy additional hex bases, and my Striker! pledge came with two packages of hex bases (from that pledge level); so even if you ordered extras, I think you should have received the first alotment.

 Commander Cain wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

Triszin wrote:
i took some pictures of all the content in the box
it is pic heavy and i did not want to flood this pictures. "didnt know if i should?"

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/496104.page#5103491

Nice pics but you should try putting them in the Dakka gallery instead, now that they're up. That way, you can post smaller versions in the thread (it automatically generates several sizes for posting, you usually want the Medium, I believe 640 x 480). As it is that page takes forever to load

Wait. How do we generate these smaller sizes? I have always been stuck posting huge pictures as I crop them before uploading so they end up huge!

After they're uploaded, view them in the gallery and you'll see a dropdown below it, for size and forum code

Ah! I see it now! I even looked after you mentioned it but my eyes skipped right past it. Thanks dude!