A sneak peek of the resin Rat Ogre from Warhammer Community:

Rat Ogre coming from Forge World this month:


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/06/thats-a-big-rat/

Exactly 30 seconds...

It looks unfinished.

Joyboozer wrote:
It looks unfinished.

Lets hope so lol....

Not entirely sure about this one. Is this a special player or are we not getting a Rat Ogre in plastic?

This guy and Varag in particular look like sculptural sketches rather than professional sculpts. No problem continuing with my Isle of Blood Rat Ogre conversion after seeing this.

Exactly who is it at forgeworld that hates fur?

Hmm. Could use a better look at it. That back foot is looking awkward, though.

Wow, the Rat Ogre is...vastly underwhelming. Shame.

I have about 12 Blood Bowl/Fantasy Football rat ogres.

I think I'll pass on this one.

That is a terrible picture.

The Rat Ogre might be fine. It might be awful. I have absolutely no idea because that picture is terrible.

The angle, the gigantic gaps and the incredibly rough finish.

I love that GW are releasing early pics of models, I remember back when White Dwarf used to have sneak peaks of models still in greenstuff that were several months off.... but they should at least put some effort in to taking a decent picture.


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 Breotan wrote:
Is this a special player or are we not getting a Rat Ogre in plastic?

Yeah I'd love to know that as well.

I never complained any about the previous models, but this looks underwhelming as stated by Elbows.

Still gonna get it though.

Man....Foregeworld is supposed to make the good stuff. But with the exception of the goblin ref...NONE of their stuff has looked remotely appealing to me.

3rd party stuff is making FW look bad.

Well originally they didn't plan for BB to sell this well and most TEAMS and big guys were going to be resin. They saw the sales and bumped a few teams to plastic, but I guess some items were too far along in resin to change.

I picked up my BB ogre Saturday and painted him today, great model

I think it was Ogre and Troll in plastic... not sure if the rat Ogre was ever mentioned.

Oh man, I saw that picture on Facebook, thought it was a 3rd party thing or proxie option, and kept scrolling. That's the actual Forge World model? Eeeeeeeeehhhhhh... Yeah, at least from the angle they've shown I have no interest in that. I'll stick with the Isle of Blood one I'm in the process of converting.

 rayphoton wrote:
Man....Foregeworld is supposed to make the good stuff. But with the exception of the goblin ref...NONE of their stuff has looked remotely appealing to me.

3rd party stuff is making FW look bad.

You got that right, ray. Like I said, I have about a dozen rat ogres, and many of them are 3rd party.

I can't think of one of those 3rd party rats that arn't better then this.

The plastic Rat Ogres from Spire of Dawn/Island of Blood would look 100x better as a Blood Bowl player and insanely cheaper. Especially the one with both fists to the ground.

For anyone wondering the size difference between Morg and the new standard Human Ogre



I was a bit surprised had a feeling he was going to be much bigger as the plastic model, but Morg looks a lot more meaty, as it probably should be. Also big fan of the style differences, the Human Ogre looks like he should be with them, where Morg looks much more chaotic.. hopefully that is something they will continue down the road.. and if the Ogre team eventually turns up they will be another style again.

Not sure on the Rat Ogre, only thing going for him is he certainly matches the new Skaven figs.. but will need to see him up close. Will be getting two regardless as my other half wants one for her team.



edit - Aye I've used that one myself previously Aegis, looks great on the pitch with team colours.

 Theophony wrote:
Well originally they didn't plan for BB to sell this well and most TEAMS and big guys were going to be resin. They saw the sales and bumped a few teams to plastic, but I guess some items were too far along in resin to change.

I picked up my BB ogre Saturday and painted him today, great model

Not strictly true.

The lead-in times for plastic production are fairly hefty. If GW really wanted, they can shorten them, but not by much. The only other thing they can really do is shorten a release schedule. I can almost guarantee you that everything that is coming out in plastic between the release of BB (Nov wasn't it?) until next November was planned out far before the initial release of the main game. What they may have done is shorten the release schedule due to the popularity, but nothing that is currently known or slated to be coming out in plastic will have been "bumped" to plastic. It will have been intended as such all along.

I think the more likely scenario is that, due to how popular BB has proven to be, some of the plastic releases are being rushed out ahead of time (or not, these could actually all be the original release dates) and there's pressure being placed on FW to hurry up some of the originally planned resin releases.

Or maybe all of the release dates we're seeing were exactly as intended.

All that said, once GW have some tidy sales figures to review at the next few meetings, I wouldn't be surprised to see some new plastics being "fast-tracked". That said, the quickest you'll be seeing them, due to what I've pointed out above, is toward Christmas and not a moment sooner.

There seems to be a pretty massive gulf in quality between the plastics and the resin minis at the moment which is a shame. A better sculpt would have found its way into a lot of aos armies too.

Yeah, I think I'll stick with my converted one.

 Platuan4th wrote:
Yeah, I think I'll stick with my converted one.

Wow, that thing is totally badass. The Rat Ogre's meagre stat line doesn't do it justice!

Just posting in hopes Forge World reads this and takes note... that rat ogre looks bad in that bad photo and someone should feel bad for posting it.

Chikout wrote:There seems to be a pretty massive gulf in quality between the plastics and the resin minis at the moment which is a shame. A better sculpt would have found its way into a lot of aos armies too.

I think it might have something to do with Seb Perbett making waves in the main studio, plastic designs and all that, and *certain other sculptors* being shuffled off to FW.

In general, anyway, if not BB stuff in particular.

Platuan4th wrote:Yeah, I think I'll stick with my converted one.

Funky.

Say... how easy would it be to convert BB skaven to new-look gutter-runners? As in: how easy would it be to peel off half of that armour?

The BB Gutter Runners don't really have any armor. I actually want to go thru and Add armor to them so they can get better matching colors and style to the rest of the team.

It's so... smooth.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's so... smooth.

Clan Moulder induces frenzy on the rat ogres with pre-game waxings.

@Vermis The only easy way to convert gutter runners from the linerats would be to add capes. It won't be super convincing but it would be pretty clear that all your guys with capes on the pitch are gutter runners.
Throwers would probably be the better conversion targets as they are really lightly armored as well, there are probably a lot of those floating around as I don't see many skaven teams taking more than one thrower if that.
Would be easy to switch the tails out and then you're back to adding a cape/hood.

If this is going to be a trend, I'm scared for the resin teams.

That is definitely a weird sculpt, i'm betting its done by the same person who did Varag. You can usually tell a sculptors style just by looking at it. It may look better from other angles. But compared to the art style of the regular Skaven it seems strange.

Have we heard of any resin teams officially yet?
So far it's plastic Goblins, a Troll and...Union Elves? in plastic at some point and that's it isn't it?

 plastictrees wrote:
Have we heard of any resin teams officially yet?
So far it's plastic Goblins, a Troll and...Union Elves? in plastic at some point and that's it isn't it?

I thought Nurgle was also more or less confirmed as well, there is concept art for them along with the Elven Union.

I wonder if the bad splice lines on it are for mutations , different tails and arms.

 Theophony wrote:
Well originally they didn't plan for BB to sell this well and most TEAMS and big guys were going to be resin. They saw the sales and bumped a few teams to plastic, but I guess some items were too far along in resin to change.

I picked up my BB ogre Saturday and painted him today, great model

That doesnt' excuse poor quality though. Resin doesnt' make figure quality drop from plastic. On the opposite. It being in resin rather than plastic should mean BETTER quality, not worse. Advantage of plastic is in it's cheap price _on large runs_.

Speaking of which are big guys going to sell enough to make it really worth it or are they going to lead into character syndrome in 40k where thanks to idiotic choise of plastic everywhere you end up with 30$ infantry models?

The only other plastic team that has been confirmed, afaik, is Goblins. Nurgle has been rumoured to be resin from the beginning.

Elven Union will also be resin I assume as we haven't heard anything about a plastic release rumour for them at all.

I'd love to see a different picture; the one posted in p61 looks bad, and sometimes, another angle makes all the difference. But the pose does look awkward, though. It's a shame. :/

The Puppets War models are looking better and better

I've a feeling it's a Mark Bedford sculpt. That guy is so hit and miss. His Ork FW characters are, to my mind, the very best there are and I'm a real fussy bastard about my orks. But his Rampagers and now this, I don't know, they feel rushed, 'knocked out' like he doesn't feel like doing certain minis and it shows.

I'll hold off for (hopefully) the plastic bb rat ogre if I do go for a skaven team in addition to my Amazons and Norse.

It's a bad angle, but I don't think it's too bad. Certainly not Varag bad anyway.

SO we finally got Griff Oberwald !!





And a rat Ogre, in resin..





Really not keen on that Rat Ogre but Griff is the first new Resin BB scuplt that I actually like,
It was about time !!

I wonder why they dont put some more effort into the paintjobs. The Griff one looks totally buthered, and I bet that a clean job would increase sales. The pose, otherwise, looks really dynamic and fluid, fitting for a blood bowl player.

 Rayvon wrote:
SO we finally got Griff Oberwald !!

Good 'nuff.

And a rat Ogre, in resin..

My eyes. My poor beautiful eyes.

Blimey. I don't know how much the paintjob contributes to the effect (what were they, going for a cubist look?) but that thing... phew.

The Rat Ogre would benefit immensly from some hair... and not being painted in nude colors.

 Mymearan wrote:
The Rat Ogre would benefit immensly from some hair... and not being painted in nude colors.

I was also thinking 'where is the fur?'

Why does every star player need to be looking sideways too? I appreciate the current trend for 'dynamic' everything but just because you can doesnt mean you need to.

Oh, you wanted a Skaven Rat Ogre! I thought you said Shaven Rat Ogre.

Why does every star player need to hold the ball? I was happy with Zug having alternative hand without the ball (as he should never have it in the first place), but the other star players do not come with that option.

I guess Griff is a good player to get the ball with though.

Maybe some greenstuff fur could improve the shaven rat ogre?

Would you go for Griff with helmer or not? Both looks good in my view. Maybe save it for some much needed variety for the blitzers?

Baxx wrote:

Maybe some greenstuff fur could improve the shaven rat ogre?

No.

Fire.

Only fire.

stato wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
The Rat Ogre would benefit immensly from some hair... and not being painted in nude colors.

I was also thinking 'where is the fur?'

Why does every star player need to be looking sideways too? I appreciate the current trend for 'dynamic' everything but just because you can doesnt mean you need to.

Fur gives opposing players a handhold - and on something the size of a Rat Ogre, that could make the difference between it being held up or not.

Breed 'em bald, that concern is dealt with.

The baldness doesn't bother me, the colour scheme is not flattering though.

Griff looks fine if you keep the helmet on. The bare head is not all that impressive though - could be used for Spess mehreens I guess?

As for the Rat Ogre... I am so underwhelmed by it. It's just can't find one good thing about the damned thing - The pose is bad, the lack of fur, the paintjob isn't flattering either.

Yeah. Burn it with fire.

griff is pretty nice. i dislike his unhelmeted head although it may be the paint job.

i had high hopes for the rat ogre but man that thing is off.
what the heck is he tripping over?

ill probably have to get one just to add a prone dwarf or something at his feet just to complete the look.

ugh...

Why does the Rat Ogre have no fur?

Griff's nice. The helmet option is way better.

Yeahhhh I'm sticking to my IoB rat ogre, thank you very much...

Big meh on both, in particular the rat ogre. It looks unfinished, not only because it has alopecia, but also lacks definition in the muscles and face. Griff is a decent sculpt, especially the helmeted option, but isn't significantly different enough from one of the plastic blitzers to make me want to shell out. His whole schtick is looking overly bling and this is a bit understated.

Only one I would consider spending my hard-earned on is Varag, which is a superb sculpt IMO.

Glad I waited till today to order till today, now I must decide if I only want zug, or him and Griff. Passing on Morg, Rat turd and Varag.

So the helmeted Griff looks much better... but I still love the old one. This one does fit the modern look, so I will likely get him. Glad I looked here, as I totally missed the helmet in the FW post.

Griff looks fething ace.

No saving that rat ogre though, sorry to say.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

stato wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
The Rat Ogre would benefit immensly from some hair... and not being painted in nude colors.

I was also thinking 'where is the fur?'

Why does every star player need to be looking sideways too? I appreciate the current trend for 'dynamic' everything but just because you can doesnt mean you need to.

Fur gives opposing players a handhold - and on something the size of a Rat Ogre, that could make the difference between it being held up or not.

Breed 'em bald, that concern is dealt with.

Or looking at recent releases more likely FW have nobody capable of sculpting fur or hair. Even griffs hair is a solid lump a la GW proper.


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grefven wrote:
I wonder why they dont put some more effort into the paintjobs. The Griff one looks totally buthered, and I bet that a clean job would increase sales. The pose, otherwise, looks really dynamic and fluid, fitting for a blood bowl player.

I wonder why they don't put some more effort into the sculpts, with most of them except zjg a good paint job would just be put lipstick on a pig.

The rat ogre is obviously a Hairless Mole Rat Ogre.

SeanDrake wrote:
Or looking at recent releases more likely FW have nobody capable of sculpting fur or hair. Even griffs hair is a solid lump a la GW proper.

Griff's hair looks appropriate for a 50's greaser hairstyle (think John Travolta in Grease).

Well, I guess the IoB rat ogre is still the one we're going to see used most then.

That paint job looks like a cross between pastels and beginner NMM techniques. Very strange.

SeanDrake wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

stato wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
The Rat Ogre would benefit immensly from some hair... and not being painted in nude colors.

I was also thinking 'where is the fur?'

Why does every star player need to be looking sideways too? I appreciate the current trend for 'dynamic' everything but just because you can doesnt mean you need to.

Fur gives opposing players a handhold - and on something the size of a Rat Ogre, that could make the difference between it being held up or not.

Breed 'em bald, that concern is dealt with.

Or looking at recent releases more likely FW have nobody capable of sculpting fur or hair. Even griffs hair is a solid lump a la GW proper.

If you look at the unpainted head bit you can see sculpted hair on it. The painted one just managed to somehow unhighlight it.

The paintjobs on most of these new Bloodbowl releases irk me as well. They're fine on their own but don't really display the models, feels too much like the painter wanted to show off their blending skills.

 AduroT wrote:
Oh, you wanted a Skaven Rat Ogre! I thought you said Shaven Rat Ogre.

Funny, but true. Man that's one bad paint job on a figure that wasn't that good to begin with.

From the photo is looks so unrealistic... I feel im looking at a Voltron model. The paint makes the angles look so sharp and blocky. Im just really not sure what is going on there...

When I think Rat Ogre I really think large imposing beast thats gonna stand up as big as it can and look at you like "ya, try and get past me" Like the IoB Rat ogres or the Stormfiends. This is so hunched over and diving down for what? A rat ogre doesnt need to tackle you at the ankles to trip you...

I heard Judge Dredd wants his eagle back.

 Rolsheen wrote:
The Puppets War models are looking better and better

Puppets war models? Are they making Blood Bowl/Fantasy Football miniatures?

I really like the pose of the Rat Ogre, but without any fure at all it looks completely wrong. Would definitely use an IOB one instead.

 bound for glory wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
The Puppets War models are looking better and better

Puppets war models? Are they making Blood Bowl/Fantasy Football miniatures?

They are.

Hi. I'm thinking about buying the Reavers and I'm just wondering; is the blood bowl game the only way to get the rules?

 Breotan wrote:

 bound for glory wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
The Puppets War models are looking better and better

Puppets war models? Are they making Blood Bowl/Fantasy Football miniatures?

They are.

Do you have a link, friend? Thanks in advance.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Hi. I'm thinking about buying the Reavers and I'm just wondering; is the blood bowl game the only way to get the rules?

No. They also have a free iOS app called My Dugout in which you can purchase the rules. I wanna say it was $25 for the base rules plus Death Zone 1 bundle? There are then additional things you can purchase in the app as well.

 bound for glory wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 bound for glory wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
The Puppets War models are looking better and better

Puppets war models? Are they making Blood Bowl/Fantasy Football miniatures?

They are.

Do you have a link, friend? Thanks in advance.

Their thread, featuring 'Ratbeast' in the title is literally three places down from this one*.


*Correct at time of posting

Not sure why everyone's bashing the paint jobs. They aren't mind blowing but, especially in the case of the rat ogre, there's no detail there to work with. Look at that face! A cashew shaped blob with an eye shaped blob in the middle.

Bit sad about most of these especially after the phenomenal Zug.

 plastictrees wrote:
Not sure why everyone's bashing the paint jobs. They aren't mind blowing but, especially in the case of the rat ogre, there's no detail there to work with. Look at that face! A cashew shaped blob with an eye shaped blob in the middle.

Bit sad about most of these especially after the phenomenal Zug.

I know right, the frigging claws had to be painted as there are no claws! It's obvious in the unpainted pics!
It's a fething disgrace blood bowl is receiving this kind of slap dash support, caught off guard be damned, this is just fething lazy.
The thought process is obviously just rush this gak out so we can get back to marines and Stormcast from every area of GW.

Link for Puppets War Rat Ogre
https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=667

Not a blow your socks off model, but truthfully I think its a better pose.

 Rayvon wrote:


And a rat Ogre, in resin..





Really not keen on that Rat Ogre but Griff is the first new Resin BB scuplt that I actually like,
It was about time !!

Rufus, is that you? Where's Ron?

That rat ogre is indeed not up to par with the other sculpt work from FW. Some really dodgy stuff.

grefven wrote:
I wonder why they dont put some more effort into the paintjobs. The Griff one looks totally buthered, and I bet that a clean job would increase sales. The pose, otherwise, looks really dynamic and fluid, fitting for a blood bowl player.

I actually prefer the paintjobs FW are doing on these. Other manufacturer's like to go with the super smooth blending style of painting, but I actually like the rougher look FW are giving their models. I wish I had the skill to pull off the look FW achieve with some of these models.

But the Rat Ogre, bleh, the face on that thing looks less detailed than a plastic model.

I quite like the rat ogre . Even the IoB/Spire of Dawn rat ogres are somewhat lacking in the hair dept. Not that big a deal to me.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I quite like the rat ogre . Even the IoB/Spire of Dawn rat ogres are somewhat lacking in the hair dept. Not that big a deal to me.

The lack of hair isn't really the problem from where I'm sitting, it's the terrible muscular structure, the soft features and things like its weird jawline.

Also the pose I imagine is supposed to look like it's running forward, but from this angle it just looks like it's falling over.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I quite like the rat ogre . Even the IoB/Spire of Dawn rat ogres are somewhat lacking in the hair dept. Not that big a deal to me.

The lack of hair isn't really the problem from where I'm sitting, it's the terrible muscular structure, the soft features and things like its weird jawline.

Also the pose I imagine is supposed to look like it's running forward, but from this angle it just looks like it's falling over.

Well, they are pretty clumsy beasts. Subject to stupidity etc.

 plastictrees wrote:
Not sure why everyone's bashing the paint jobs. They aren't mind blowing but, especially in the case of the rat ogre, there's no detail there to work with. Look at that face! A cashew shaped blob with an eye shaped blob in the middle.

Because it's very rough. Which might be an interesting effect as AllSeeingSkink says, but in this case it looks less like a conscious style and more like rushed inability. It's backed up by the look as if the painter picked a convex area, worked it up from dark to white, threw a dark outline around it, then moved on to the next convex area. So you've got bits like the throat, left knee, inside left calf, that - while a little darker overall - seem to be getting the same strong highlights from overhead lighting as the back of the neck, the left triceps, and so on. It's blindly following some mini-painting tropes with little thought to the final result, which is not what you'd expect from FW, and only accentuates the perception of the sculpt as a bunch of rough geometric forms (cashew shaped blobs) cobbled together.

I dub it the Rat mediOgre.

I will say the Blood Bowl stuff has been some of the more underwhelming releases I've seen from Forgeworld. I think it doesn't matter too much since there are still so many third party companies who make Blood Bowl figures, but they're not doing themselves any favors.

Also, dislike special characters holding the ball (yeah it's silly but I don't like seeing three or four footballs modeled on the pitch...)

I'm sorry but with the high standard of releases so far, I know some people will disagree but on the hole they have been at least above average that rat ogre is hideous. The puppets of war one looks far and away superior in every way.

I do like it better, but it does still have hooves rather than ratty feet,

I think the IoB one still works better

Not a fan of resin models. I'll stick to the plastic ones (and the plastic teams).

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I do like it better, but it does still have hooves rather than ratty feet,

I think the IoB one still works better

Yea it looks like a really good minotaur, but the body shape and the feet are not how i want a rat ogre to look.

I just got high bid on a IOB rat ogre.

I hope I get it, as this FW one is gak. Mean to say, was that turned out on a Friday afternoon, with the bloke what made it looking at the clock every 10 minutes?

 Vermis wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Not sure why everyone's bashing the paint jobs. They aren't mind blowing but, especially in the case of the rat ogre, there's no detail there to work with. Look at that face! A cashew shaped blob with an eye shaped blob in the middle.

Because it's very rough. Which might be an interesting effect as AllSeeingSkink says, but in this case it looks less like a conscious style and more like rushed inability. It's backed up by the look as if the painter picked a convex area, worked it up from dark to white, threw a dark outline around it, then moved on to the next convex area. So you've got bits like the throat, left knee, inside left calf, that - while a little darker overall - seem to be getting the same strong highlights from overhead lighting as the back of the neck, the left triceps, and so on. It's blindly following some mini-painting tropes with little thought to the final result, which is not what you'd expect from FW, and only accentuates the perception of the sculpt as a bunch of rough geometric forms (cashew shaped blobs) cobbled together.

It's a conscious style that they just didn't pull off very well on the Rat Ogre. The flesh on the BB Dwarf models is painted a similar way, just done much better.

The effect they're trying to achieve is to make it look a bit like an oil painting, where instead of trying to create a super smooth blend you take colours that slightly contrast and just smoosh them together, it creates a bit more depth and a rougher look, it gives a look similar to some of Telltale Games' video games. However because acrylics don't behave like oils, it's actually a tricky style to pull off when painting with acrylics because a bad blend with an acrylic just looks like a bad blend rather than an intentional rough effect (frankly it takes a bit of artistic talent that I lack to pull off with oils as well )

They just kind of failed on the Rat Ogre, where it looks like they made sharp transitions in the paintwork that don't actually exist on the model itself, and the poor sculpting on the muscles just makes it look even worse. The muscles on the model's right upper arm look like they're barely sculpted on at all but almost entirely painted on, and painted on with an inconsistent lighting direction and freakishly sharp edges.

The plastic rat ogres might be better than this. No, not the nice IoB ones (who are amazing besides the weird fur patches GW uses), the freaking multi-part plastics. And those are hideous!

FW seems to be...fumbling BB releases left and right. Some of the models look like the worst offenders out of Fanatic or whatever they called it when thpse dreadful minis for SGs were released. My hopes for great looking plastic Rotters are squashed. And why do plastic gobbos over any other team??

Right? I have many of each blood bowl team, but only one goblin team and one halfling team.

Why waste plastic on gobbo's?

Because all the people with the plastic Orcs will likely want a box of plastic Goblins to go with them?

Elbows wrote:I dub it the Rat mediOgre.

I think it doesn't matter too much since there are still so many third party companies who make Blood Bowl figures, but they're not doing themselves any favors.

daemonish wrote:The puppets of war one looks far and away superior in every way.

If BB's popularity caught FW by surprise, could I assume that FW and PW had similar time frames to knock these out?

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I do like it better, but it does still have hooves rather than ratty feet

Hooves

Maybe rat-monsters would look better with bare feet, but I think it's a reasonable enough dodge to make use of the bulk of the mini without leaving it with actual hooves, or having to provide separate feet as well as heads and tails.

Rayvon wrote:
Yea it looks like a really good minotaur, but the body shape and the feet are not how i want a rat ogre to look.

I thought it looked close to the IoB ones. It's fairly wide, and fairly abby and obliquey.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:It's a conscious style that they just didn't pull off very well on the Rat Ogre.

And how.

However because acrylics don't behave like oils, it's actually a tricky style to pull off when painting with acrylics because a bad blend with an acrylic just looks like a bad blend rather than an intentional rough effect (frankly it takes a bit of artistic talent that I lack to pull off with oils as well )

It's a wee bit different with big gobs of acrylic on a canvas, but with tiny amounts on a gaming mini it'll definitely dry too fast for the same effect, without a lot of retarder or wet blending. (Even then it'll not stay open for hours, let alone days)

and the poor sculpting on the muscles just makes it look even worse. The muscles on the model's right upper arm look like they're barely sculpted on at all but almost entirely painted on, and painted on with an inconsistent lighting direction and freakishly sharp edges.

To be honest I think it looks like the work of a hobbyist who learned about anatomy by looking at other sculptors' minis, rather than from, y'know, anatomy. If it was a first-time hobbyist showing this off it'd be a case of "Nice work! Well done!" but from a business with the reputation of FW, holding it's hand out for a big fat piece of recompense, it's "Yer havin a laugh!"

Binabik15 wrote:The plastic rat ogres might be better than this. No, not the nice IoB ones (who are amazing besides the weird fur patches GW uses), the freaking multi-part plastics. And those are hideous!

Blimey. But you're not wrong!

I would like to see plastic goblins mainly because I have been waiting years to see some decent plastic goblins

If we see them hopefully it's with all the secret weapons as alternate parts on one sprue. Should be feasible based on the Dwarf sprue and how small the goblins should be.

Really hope to see some plastics soon to get some momentum going good again release-wise.

 plastictrees wrote:
If we see them hopefully it's with all the secret weapons as alternate parts on one sprue. Should be feasible based on the Dwarf sprue and how small the goblins should be.

Really hope to see some plastics soon to get some momentum going good again release-wise.

I hope so, no one takes a Gobbo team without secret weapons...theres where all the fun is. And if they didn't include them then the point of a goblin team in plastic seems like a wasted opportunity. They could have done an elf team and not had to do any resin expansions for them instead.

The disparity between the quality of the new GW plastic Blood Bowl kits and most of the Forgeworld ones (with the exception of the excellent sculpt of the Mighty Zug) is really upsetting.

It makes me concerned for the future of the game if the plan is for FW to be the ones providing long term support.

Why isn't there anyone in a position of creative control at FW with enough clout to stop turds like these being released?

I feel like FW really can only be relied on to make nice vehicles...

I hadn't thought about secret weapons, that's a valid point. Shows how much contact I had with Goblin teams: none IRL FW would have to reserve a lot of release slots for all of them if they're in resin. But aren't many limited to one per team? And the current teams are made of clone sprues (I have to admit I haven't bought any yet, I want to finish a Chaos team first*), aren't they? A plastic chainsaw would make me buy a set out of principle though, converting them from chainswords is such a chore.

I still other teams are needed more in plastic. The 40k Grots and a metric ton of Gobbos, Gnoblars can be very good stand-ins. TKs got nuked, Amazons have many models available, but not GW ones, Halflings are apparently a secret shame for GW (any mention of them in Aos, like, ever?! Thanks, New Line, I guess ?) and only have one third of a somewhat recent model - if you count the stuffed one from the giant kit!- even Elves were gutted recently when it comes to models available. And some races have kits that are not really good for BB (or anything) like Lizzards, the Saurus models are so wimpy I haven't build a single one from the box I bought for BB conversions. Chaos Dwarves? If you're rich enough to hack FW stuff apart they might work, but not great.

Do we know from interviews how FW decided on what teams to do? Cyanide BB and KSs for dozens of alt teams, huge internet leagues, third party sellers...did they mine this treasure trove of market research opportunities?

Man, I sound cranky. Time to fully wake up

*I was/am waiting for a Minotaur I like and enough time to finish a CW sculpt and do two more. After GW plastic Minos and now the resin FW minis I think I really have to do one myself or try to cram Jason Hendrick's amazing ZCide one onto a much smaller base - I'm bummed that GW isn't headhunting guys like him, he single-handedly schooled everyone else about Minotaurs, rat monsters and "Trolls with big hands" with his Abominations. And monsters have long been GW's absolute weak point. No, sculptor I won't name, random folds on crudely shaped sticks are NOT how joints are supposed to work. Okay, I still sound cranky.

PS: I forgot to say it in my last post, that Stormfiend conversion is amazingly well done. Maybe I should give in and do a Skaven team, yes-yes, dirty one turn-turn TD tricks, good-good.

 Binabik15 wrote:
The 40k Grots and a metric ton of Gobbos, Gnoblars can be very good stand-ins.

GW have been lacking Goblin models that don't have hard to remove parts that identify them as 40k models or are in a distinctly "firing a gun" pose.

The WHFB Goblin kit is pretty terrible, they don't look too bad ranked up but individually the models look really awkward.

And Gnoblars look like arse, I never consider them good stand ins for Goblins

So I'm happy enough to see a plastic Goblin team, even though I'd prefer to see a plastic Lizardmen team that matches the video game aesthetic for Lizardmen.

 Binabik15 wrote:
...or try to cram Jason Hendrick's amazing ZCide one onto a much smaller base - I'm bummed that GW isn't headhunting guys like him, he single-handedly schooled everyone else about Minotaurs, rat monsters and "Trolls with big hands" with his Abominations.

I don't think I've seen those. Well, maybe the abominations - were those in the first Zombicide game?

And monsters have long been GW's absolute weak point. No, sculptor I won't name, random folds on crudely shaped sticks are NOT how joints are supposed to work. Okay, I still sound cranky.

Yes you do. You're not wrong, though!

Yeah. Is there a link to those figures(Jason Hendricks)?

Just google Zombicide Black Plague Abominations.



They're nice enough sculpts, but the plastic doesn't do them justice.

Scale shot of the new Rat Ogre next to Griff.. quite happy with now its in my hand.. still another one to go.

As a side note, went with Helmeted Griff, but the 'hair' seemed to good to waste.. then it hit me.. 'Surehanded' is back.

Just have to put this out there, the pics of the rat ogre don't do it justice. I was at Warhammer world over the weekend and saw the painted model, it actually looks quite good.

Why the goblin hate? They're not a top-tier team, but they certainly are fun. I don't play in big tournaments. I play in small leagues with friends. A goblin team in plastic will encourage me to replace the metal 2nd Ed one I already have because I bloody love the little guys.

As for the questions about plastics, the Goblins are the last official team mentioned in terms of plastic team boxes. Blood Bowl has sold well enough that it's a given that more teams will be produced in plastic now, but don't hold your breath on anything popping up any time soon. I imagine the focus will now shift to the resin teams (Nurgle confirmed, but there'll obviously be more) for a bit until GW can push more plastics into design and production.

 ekwatts wrote:
Why the goblin hate? They're not a top-tier team

Your second sentence answers your first. Many people can't imagine not picking the "best" team.

Goblins are tons of fun. (Just like your mom! heyyyy-oooo!) If they had G access as a regular skill up they'd be top tier.

Goblins are bottom tier next to Halflings and other garbage. Still fun garbage, and I would certainly like to see it in plastic. I like this game best as a casual game with friends, that's maybe the best way to play it.

By the pace new teams are released, I hope to finish painting the previous releases until next release. So far I'm 12 dwarves behind, 14 savage orcs behind and all the star players behind.

How come you get the new forge world stuff so quick? I ordered them and I see they're still up for pre-order, which means they'll ship in 2 days and hopefully I get it end of next week.

Is there some hidden trick to get new stuff before everyone else?

And what's up with warhammer world, I thought that was in january? At least Grak and Crumbleberry are listed as "Warhammer world exclusive" at ebay.

Still waiting for the new pitch from Forge World and disappointed they're silent even after the teasing in white dwarf:

Heavily hinted that this is another full plastic team, not an upgrade sprue or a Forgeworld effort by GW in the facebook comments.

That Rat Ogre looks awful. It's those (fake) muscle definition problems that I thought the AoS Fyreslayers also had.

For all most people on this forum claim GW are the masters at plastic model making, they seem to really struggle with muscles at the moment - and faces. Nearly everything released recently is hooded with goggles or metal masked. One of the few faces they did is that Ultramarine Primarch and that (as my grandmother would have said) looks as camp as Christmas.

We're going to see the human upgrades soon (finally)?

What does this mean? New tokens? New rules for yet another human team? New models for alternative human team?

Already waiting for:
-2x unique human blitzers
-2x unique Skaven Gutter Runners
-Deathroller
-Forgeworld Oldowl pitch
-re-stocking of winter pitch and dwarf/skaven pitch

At that point everything so far would be complete.

What do you expect when it comes to Star Player releases? How many will we see? There are about 60 Star Players in total, GW/FW has released 3 miniatures from the older rules and 2 miniatures with new rules (Grak & Crumbleberry). In addition they have 2 new star players in the app and 1 new star player in Deathzone Season 1.

Bright Crusaders sounds Brettonian to me. That would be cool.

A long time BB veteran says (guesses) it's High Elves.

 CragHack wrote:
A long time BB veteran says (guesses) it's High Elves.

It says in Death Zone Season one that they are a Human team.

Bright Crusaders are a human team which had such high standards they never foul or assist in fouls. As a result, their success was limited.

Bretonnia is something different, I've seen them foul on multiple occasions.

Rumors were lantern jawed optional heads for the Bright Crusaders I believe.

Not the same logo but there used to be a legendary team in earlier editions

Yeah same team, they have been there from the start pretty much, the joke play nice team.. they actually have stats and a special rule in the Season 1 book.

Have to wonder if that means we'll see the Orc team that appears at some point being the Orcland Raiders, as that was the Orc team with special rules in Season 1.

Yes, you will. They have horned helmets

No pic of the model yet.. but I guess he is due soon.. just shared on the BB facebook page.

That's great .
Hopefully the troll model comes with a goblin model packaged with it, either separate, or even better would be separate and an optional one in his hand being thrown/eaten .

Great news. Can't wait to see the troll. Hope he looks better than the rat-ogre.

Resin troll then right?

Pretty sure the original rumour was plastic along with the Ogre, as he already turned up plastic I am guessing the Troll will be as well.

Plastic would make sense with a plastic Orc team AND plastic Goblins coming.

That forgeworld bloodbowl mat looks very nice. It is the first things which says to me 'Empire' (soon to be hopefully) released by GW in a very long time.

 plastictrees wrote:
Plastic would make sense with a plastic Orc team AND plastic Goblins coming.

We have plastic Skaven too, but got a resin Rat Ogre.

 AduroT wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Plastic would make sense with a plastic Orc team AND plastic Goblins coming.

We have plastic Skaven too, but got a resin Rat Ogre.

trolls can be used by two teams (orcs and goblins) whereas rat ogres are only on skaven teams. Also goblin teams can have two of them, so let's hope there are different heads/arms so you don't have two identical trolls on the pitch.

 Theophony wrote:

trolls can be used by two teams (orcs and goblins) whereas rat ogres are only on skaven teams. Also goblin teams can have two of them, so let's hope there are different heads/arms so you don't have two identical trolls on the pitch.

You also have the Swamp Troll for Savage Orcs, Chaos Troll for Chaos Pact and Warpstone Troll for Underworld. Not exactly the same thing, but similar. Also these are teams GW probably have no intention of supporting, but still.

 Olsch wrote:
Great news. Can't wait to see the troll. Hope he looks better than the rat-ogre.

He'd really have to.

Gotta say the rat ogre was something of a let down. On the other hand, the few Skaven players I've played with don't even bother pretending to be a bashy team, so they'd probably have no use for the blasted model.

I suspect trolls will be in plastic and get the same treatment as the ogre, seeing as it is the Orc's equivalent to the Ogre, and I'd imagine a Big Guy for a team in the starter box would sell well. I'm sure that's the logic GW used for the plastic Ogre. So, Orc team set and Troll released concurrently in plastic = both starter box teams receiving identical treatment.

By the same token, perhaps the Dwarf Deathroller will be in ugly resin as well.

Yeah, Deathroller is a Forgeworld release, so it'll be in resin.

My question... when are we going to get plastic goblins, and will GW make you buy an entire team of goblins for the 1 that the Orks can take?

Didn't they say that the Ogre and Troll would be plastic because they can be used by a number of teams?

Or am I imagining that and they only said that about the Ogre?

They said it about both

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Gotta say the rat ogre was something of a let down. On the other hand, the few Skaven players I've played with don't even bother pretending to be a bashy team, so they'd probably have no use for the blasted model.

I suspect trolls will be in plastic and get the same treatment as the ogre, seeing as it is the Orc's equivalent to the Ogre, and I'd imagine a Big Guy for a team in the starter box would sell well. I'm sure that's the logic GW used for the plastic Ogre. So, Orc team set and Troll released concurrently in plastic = both starter box teams receiving identical treatment.

By the same token, perhaps the Dwarf Deathroller will be in ugly resin as well.

I don't play my Skaven as a bashy team but I still value the Rat Ogre for being able to bully an enemy brick and be annoying with his Prehensile Tail. Mine just skilled up as well and will be picking up Guard.

TROLL

This multi-part box contains the components to build a single pose Blood Bowl Troll. The box comes supplied with a 32-mm Blood Bowl round base, featuring a hole to slot the ball into when the miniature has possession. We expect this box to sell well, as the Blood Bowl Troll can be used in several Blood Bowl team, and as such will interest a lot of Blood Bowl player.

Blood Bowl: Troll
New to range
Blood Bowl
Single Miniature
200-24
£ 8.08 /
€ 11.00
£ 15.00 /
€ 20.00

 BrookM wrote:

TROLL

This multi-part box contains the components to build a single pose Blood Bowl Troll. The box comes supplied with a 32-mm Blood Bowl round base, featuring a hole to slot the ball into when the miniature has possession. We expect this box to sell well, as the Blood Bowl Troll can be used in several Blood Bowl team, and as such will interest a lot of Blood Bowl player.

Blood Bowl: Troll
New to range
Blood Bowl
Single Miniature
200-24
£ 8.08 /
€ 11.00
£ 15.00 /
€ 20.00

Thanks for the info!

Only the troll? no goblin team? :(

Other stuff mentioned was..

Team Titans Pack
Available while in demand Restricted
Blood Bowl
Benefits of Training & Dirty Tricks cards
200-04-60
£ 4.85 /
€ 6.60
£ 9.00 /
€ 12.00
Blood Bowl: The Gouged Eye Team (Orks)
New to range
Blood Bowl
10 man Orc team
200-15
£ 10.77 /
€ 13.75
£ 20.00 /
€ 25.00

 AduroT wrote:

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Gotta say the rat ogre was something of a let down. On the other hand, the few Skaven players I've played with don't even bother pretending to be a bashy team, so they'd probably have no use for the blasted model.

I suspect trolls will be in plastic and get the same treatment as the ogre, seeing as it is the Orc's equivalent to the Ogre, and I'd imagine a Big Guy for a team in the starter box would sell well. I'm sure that's the logic GW used for the plastic Ogre. So, Orc team set and Troll released concurrently in plastic = both starter box teams receiving identical treatment.

By the same token, perhaps the Dwarf Deathroller will be in ugly resin as well.

I don't play my Skaven as a bashy team but I still value the Rat Ogre for being able to bully an enemy brick and be annoying with his Prehensile Tail. Mine just skilled up as well and will be picking up Guard.

Yeah, but I don't think the Rat Ogre and Deathroller is a huge appeal to Skaven and Stunty players compared to Ogres and Trolls who are more appealing to Human and Orc players.

Not that the Rat Ogre and Deathroller are completely useless, but it's not uncommon to see Skaven and Stunty teams go through most of a league without touching them.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Gotta say the rat ogre was something of a let down. On the other hand, the few Skaven players I've played with don't even bother pretending to be a bashy team, so they'd probably have no use for the blasted model.

I suspect trolls will be in plastic and get the same treatment as the ogre, seeing as it is the Orc's equivalent to the Ogre, and I'd imagine a Big Guy for a team in the starter box would sell well. I'm sure that's the logic GW used for the plastic Ogre. So, Orc team set and Troll released concurrently in plastic = both starter box teams receiving identical treatment.


By the same token, perhaps the Dwarf Deathroller will be in ugly resin as well.

Theres an "independent" company called "vortice" that makes a Deathroller(and many other Blood Bowl figures). Its one of the most amazing miniatures I've ever seen.


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 AduroT wrote:

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Gotta say the rat ogre was something of a let down. On the other hand, the few Skaven players I've played with don't even bother pretending to be a bashy team, so they'd probably have no use for the blasted model.

I suspect trolls will be in plastic and get the same treatment as the ogre, seeing as it is the Orc's equivalent to the Ogre, and I'd imagine a Big Guy for a team in the starter box would sell well. I'm sure that's the logic GW used for the plastic Ogre. So, Orc team set and Troll released concurrently in plastic = both starter box teams receiving identical treatment.

By the same token, perhaps the Dwarf Deathroller will be in ugly resin as well.

I don't play my Skaven as a bashy team but I still value the Rat Ogre for being able to bully an enemy brick and be annoying with his Prehensile Tail. Mine just skilled up as well and will be picking up Guard.

Yeah, but I don't think the Rat Ogre and Deathroller is a huge appeal to Skaven and Stunty players compared to Ogres and Trolls who are more appealing to Human and Orc players.

Well, only Dwarves can use a Deathroller. Other stuntys can't.


Not that the Rat Ogre and Deathroller are completely useless, but it's not uncommon to see Skaven and Stunty teams go through most of a league without touching them.

Joyboozer wrote:
It looks unfinished.

 plastictrees wrote:
This guy and Varag in particular look like sculptural sketches rather than professional sculpts.

 rayphoton wrote:
Man....Foregeworld is supposed to make the good stuff. But with the exception of the goblin ref...NONE of their stuff has looked remotely appealing to me.

 AduroT wrote:
Oh man, I saw that picture on Facebook, thought it was a 3rd party thing or proxie option, and kept scrolling.

QFT. So far BB has been a poor demonstration of the logic of Specialist Games: launch an incredible set of plastics through the mainstream channel to be supported by mediocre, astronomically priced resin exclusively available through your boutique dealer? It's almost like someone is trying to prove Specialist Games are not worth bringing back by dooming them to fail.

The plastics are sculpted by the specialist team though aren't they?

Are the Troll and the raiders out this weekend?

If so, that's even more bizarre.

I've not hated most of the resins I've seen. The character Ogre was mediocre, but not terrible. It's just that Rat Ogre that looks bad.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/20/hes-on-a-roll/

Such an awesome model

Vorian wrote:
The plastics are sculpted by the specialist team though aren't they?

Are the Troll and the raiders out this weekend?

They release 3/31. Should be up for pre-order on GW's site this weekend, along with the new special play cards.

Wish we had pictures of the troll, usually something has leaked by this point.

Its extremely comical to me they plumped that massive model onto that tiny base. Yeah I am still getting it though...

Big, comical, fits the current dwarves team, love it.
Been waiting to see this before deciding on buying a dwarf team.

As long as it's not priced stupidly high that is.

They are going the 4th ed route. That deathroller is stupid big.

Its like the last one they made...Too big and "over the top". They forget the fluff.That roller is supposed to be grounds equipment.

I think its a bad model.

 bound for glory wrote:
They are going the 4th ed route. That deathroller is stupid big.

Its like the last one they made...Too big and "over the top". They forget the fluff.That roller is supposed to be grounds equipment.

I think its a bad model.

I saw a pic from blood bowl community - it actually fits within the squares. There's no issue having one model on a team that's too big for a square, within reason. I'd argue that big guys mostly look better on 40mm bases, even though they spill over their square. It's when you have an oversized ogre or chaos pact team that size becomes an issue.

I think the roller looks pretty sweet myself. A solid resin sculpt. And yeah, it'll overhang its square, but not by so much its neighbors won't still fit in there's.

Have to rebase that.

I want to play dwarves in bloodbowl, but their new armor looks silly to me. Dwarves should wear leather or chain mail with lords in full plate, not bodysuits with angular pads

I like the idea and one day I would make a whole Dwarf army,just not these or their AOSdwarves.

There are MANY dwarf teams out there.

Don't let granny tell you what to use. Black Scorpion makes dwarves like what you want.

And for $35 a squad.

I love how he's drinking! HA!

 bound for glory wrote:
There are MANY dwarf teams out there.

Don't let granny tell you what to use. Black Scorpion makes dwarves like what you want.

And for $35 a squad.

Iron Golem dwarfs with the Vortice deathroller is IMO the best looking dwarf team out there. The price reflects it, but they're gorgeous miniatures.

Completely new to bloodbowl but I'm sold with the dwarves.
That roller is too good to pass up.


On a side note, I noticed the teams on the BB website.
Quick OT question really, but I noticed lizardmen teams consist if saurus, skinks and up to 1 kroxigor.
Do the saurus/skinks get roles? (blitzers, linemen etc)

Got a ton of lizardmen models spare and want to convert them, but if they do have specific roles I want them to look the part.

No, Saurus are just Saurus and Skinks are just Skinks. It can be a blessing and a curse, as Saurus are pretty good at bashing (really good once they get block and/or guard), and Skinks are really good at running around quickly, exploiting openings, and moving the ball long distances, but it is very ill advised to use one type of player to do the other's job. Even though Lizardmen have only 2 regular types of players and a Big Guy, they can feel like a diverse team.

decker_cky wrote:

 bound for glory wrote:
There are MANY dwarf teams out there.

Don't let granny tell you what to use. Black Scorpion makes dwarves like what you want.

And for $35 a squad.

Iron Golem dwarfs with the Vortice deathroller is IMO the best looking dwarf team out there. The price reflects it, but they're gorgeous miniatures.

I have the old metal GW dwarves swimming in simple green right now, but I have been eyeing those Iron Golem dwarves . They are just too pricey on my budget, but I might splurge anyway.

Cheers kommissar

Means I can get started on them tomorrow.
Since I got a ton of spares I may as well build a maxed out team.
That way I can swap and change as I need.

Just didn't want to pour hours of work into converting a team and then find it doesn't look right lol.

Clearly the low cost deathroller model. it doesn't have blinkers or a cup holder The team didn't have money for the Gran Turismo version?

The "Team Titan Cards" are going up. What exactly are they?

Cleverly worded cross-over with Knight Miniatures.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
No, Saurus are just Saurus and Skinks are just Skinks. It can be a blessing and a curse, as Saurus are pretty good at bashing (really good once they get block and/or guard), and Skinks are really good at running around quickly, exploiting openings, and moving the ball long distances, but it is very ill advised to use one type of player to do the other's job. Even though Lizardmen have only 2 regular types of players and a Big Guy, they can feel like a diverse team.

Technically they call them Skink Runners and Saurus Blockers now, but yeah, all lizards of the same race are the same.


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 auticus wrote:
The "Team Titan Cards" are going up. What exactly are they?

"Builds on both the cards included in the boxed game, as well as the Blood Bowl Special Play Cards: Hall of Fame (200-03-xx). Split into two decks the Benefits of Training and the Dirty Tricks decks."

Where does one buy the Vortice Miniatures? Cant find an online store for them, depending on price might go with their Deathroller.

I think the only sell direct, their facebook https://www.facebook.com/vortice.miniatures/ says


Vortice Miniatures Information/ orders by mail please: vorticeminiatures@gmail.com

Zetan wrote:

 KommissarKiln wrote:
No, Saurus are just Saurus and Skinks are just Skinks. It can be a blessing and a curse, as Saurus are pretty good at bashing (really good once they get block and/or guard), and Skinks are really good at running around quickly, exploiting openings, and moving the ball long distances, but it is very ill advised to use one type of player to do the other's job. Even though Lizardmen have only 2 regular types of players and a Big Guy, they can feel like a diverse team.

Technically they call them Skink Runners and Saurus Blockers now, but yeah, all lizards of the same race are the same.


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 auticus wrote:
The "Team Titan Cards" are going up. What exactly are they?

"Builds on both the cards included in the boxed game, as well as the Blood Bowl Special Play Cards: Hall of Fame (200-03-xx). Split into two decks the Benefits of Training and the Dirty Tricks decks."

Thanks for the clarification

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Clearly the low cost deathroller model. it doesn't have blinkers or a cup holder The team didn't have money for the Gran Turismo version?

What do you mean no cup holder? He's standing right there. And he can probably blink too, though maybe not in perfect time if he'd holding more beer than the cup…

I Actually dont mind that death roller, I would never use on the pitch though, waste of points in my opinion !

Super fun waste of ponts.

It benefits greatly from "Get the ref" and Referee's rest area stadium upgrade (BB2). Best situation is if you can stop the opponent from scoring first half, and use bribe in 2nd half when dwarves receive the ball.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think the only sell direct, their facebook https://www.facebook.com/vortice.miniatures/ says


Vortice Miniatures Information/ orders by mail please: vorticeminiatures@gmail.com

Got a reply from them on FB, they are in the process of putting together a new website.

Why is the Troll still shrouded in mystery? My local is taking pre-orders!

Baxx wrote:
Super fun waste of ponts.

It benefits greatly from "Get the ref" and Referee's rest area stadium upgrade (BB2). Best situation is if you can stop the opponent from scoring first half, and use bribe in 2nd half when dwarves receive the ball.

Haha

Plenty of people would agree with you as well !!

Personally, playing dwarves is as far from super fun, as it gets !

They play very monotonously yes. I find them fun in competing against bash teams, where their biggest challenge is.

But wouldn't you say Khemri is an even more boring team? Dwarves are elf-like in comparison.

What's your take on the new Star Players? I think GW messed up big time, seems they have forgotten that every single previous Star Player has the Loner skill. The Nurgle Star Player in Death Zone Season 1! does have Loner, but all the rest does not have it.

And Grak & Crumbleberry is just horrendously underpriced for that Ogre alone, not to mention the kick team mate which is much better than throw.

Baxx wrote:
They play very monotonously yes. I find them fun in competing against bash teams, where their biggest challenge is.

But wouldn't you say Khemri is an even more boring team? Dwarves are elf-like in comparison.

What's your take on the new Star Players? I think GW messed up big time, seems they have forgotten that every single previous Star Player has the Loner skill. The Nurgle Star Player in Death Zone Season 1! does have Loner, but all the rest does not have it.

And Grak & Crumbleberry is just horrendously underpriced for that Ogre alone, not to mention the kick team mate which is much better than throw.

I do prefer Khemri slightly, but not much more, I am not a fan of bashy teams on the whole if I am honest and after twenty odd years playing the game, I am still getting used to using them !

I thought that the star players still had loner, I am not at home but I am pretty sure I saw loner listed in the star players summary at the back of the deathzone book.
As far as I am concerned every big guy and star player should have to make a roll before performing an action, that is always how it has been, it makes up for the blatant advantages they they give and also encourages a player to keep his team alive.
It really sucks if they are going to start bringing out star players with no loner skill

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Blood-Bowl-Troll


Please trolls and goblins for AoS with this style.

Looks good. Hope there is an alternate hand, I've never been fond of "Troll in the act of TTM" pose.

Shame there's no option for not throwing a Goblin.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Shame there's no option for not throwing a Goblin.

Hand swap with AoS Fellwater Troggoths? It should be easy to cut out the wood stick from their fist since it's all plastic.

It does look good, a bit of a specific pose.

Would have been a good one to include with the Goblins and a more generic one released on its own maybe.

Let's hope there's a different version with the Goblin release, though I fear that's wishful thinking

 feeder wrote:
Looks good. Hope there is an alternate hand, I've never been fond of "Troll in the act of TTM" pose.

Look at the sprues on the link, there is an open hand and a separate ball....

I take that back....looks like the open hand is 2 piece and the ball is the goblin ball. This thing is going to be like 36$ CAD..feth that.swamp trolls it is..

The model its beautiful but... don't it looks like... too profesional?

I expect that pose from a Elf player that know what its doing. A troll its stupid as a rock! How he can know such a technique to throw the ball (gobbo!) properly?

Not a huge fan, but it's nicely sculpted at least. Should be easy to convert into winding up for a big Mighty Blow.
I agree that the pose looks way too much like he knows what he's doing.

Galas summed up my thoughts that I couldn't put into words. If I'm getting a troll ever, I want it to maybe be having a head/-scratching moment or a very angry troll about to take a swing at someone. It's pose makes the troll look so intelligent that the notion itself becomes rather dumb.

Couldn't we have at least gotten a pose of the troll maybe trying to eat the goblin instead?!

I think it's good? It's honestly hard to tell from that pic. It's definitely not rat ogre bad, but I need more pics to decide if I like it.

I don't like it. Whats with the weird mask thing he's got going?

 bound for glory wrote:
I don't like it. Whats with the weird mask thing he's got going?

Thats his gloved hand! The photo is a bit of a let down, definately not the 'magic angle'.

Got bored and made a kroxigor for my lizardmen lol.
Waiting to see how they go about the lizardmen before I convert much more though.
Besides, I still need to do some GS work.

That troll is incredible

Joyboozer wrote:
I think it's good? It's honestly hard to tell from that pic. It's definitely not rat ogre bad, but I need more pics to decide if I like it.

You can see the 360 on the new Zealand site. I kind of like the pose.

Chikout wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I think it's good? It's honestly hard to tell from that pic. It's definitely not rat ogre bad, but I need more pics to decide if I like it.

You can see the 360 on the new Zealand site. I kind of like the pose.

Yeah, most of its OK, just not a fan of the head, it's weird. They seem to have designed the orcs to be less goofy and more serious, and yet the troll and goblin are extra cartoonish.

 Breotan wrote:
Hand swap with AoS Fellwater Troggoths?

A Fell whatnow?

*searches*

Oh. River Trolls. Right... how could I not know.

Eh, bit disappointed to be honest. The pose just isn't working for me, maybe if his left arm was lower instead of half covering his face, and his right arm was more slung back and less covered in details.

From the pose it looks more like he's about to throw the goblin directly in to the ground rather than any distance.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Hand swap with AoS Fellwater Troggoths?

A Fell whatnow?

*searches*

Oh. River Trolls. Right... how could I not know.

I throw up a little in my mouth every time I hear one of AoS's terrible renaming of standard fantasy stuff. I threw up a little more when I had to try find Stone Trolls on the GW site which are now called Rockgut Troggoths

At least I'm glad BB hasn't gone full you know what and are keeping the names standard.

I don't get that pose.

Rather than a throwing pose, it looks to me like he's raising the goblin up in the air while simultaneously covering one of his eye and jumping up and down on one leg.

Maybe it's clearer from a different angle?

 Zywus wrote:
I don't get that pose.

Rather than a throwing pose, it looks to me like he's raising the goblin up in the air while simultaneously covering one of his eye and jumping up and down on one leg.

Maybe it's clearer from a different angle.

I keep rotating it around in the 360 view and.... nope... still looks wrong

A lot of the other BB poses we've seen look fine in a 360, this one really isn't doing anything for me.

I really like it, beatiful sculpt...but not really as a BB model, as others said. The pose should work really well on "a 2-handed chop motion" Troll. Do I need a Troll with a 'uge choppa? Maybe, depends on price, I guess.

PS: Is that not one of 'Eavy Metals best paintjobs recently? Wow. They're getting GOOD at this. Compare that to 6th Ed spearmen that looked like basecoat and some shades with no highlight in WD pics.

 Binabik15 wrote:
I really like it, beatiful sculpt...but not really as a BB model, as others said. The pose should work really well on "a 2-handed chop motion" Troll. Do I need a Troll with a 'uge choppa? Maybe, depends on price, I guess.

Yeah true. I'm thinking it might look better without the goblin and if it's at all possible to lower his left arm so it's not covering his face, then it might just look like he's getting ready to bash someone.

It's a shame they didn't make the goblin a separate piece because then he'd just have a big open hand which I think would look a bit better.

PS: Is that not one of 'Eavy Metals best paintjobs recently? Wow. They're getting GOOD at this. Compare that to 6th Ed spearmen that looked like basecoat and some shades with no highlight in WD pics.

I'm really loving the grittier style GW are using for the BB models now and this Troll really highlights it with the mix of different greens, browns and some purplish tones.

I wish I could paint like that, even if I could pull off the technique I completely lack the artistic ability.

If I remember correctly, the next team is goblins?

They said it in the last warhammer fest, Or am I imagining it?

I thought the bright crusaders are next?

Wish I could see these new models painted by someone with talent. I hate to say it but the hack they have painting stuff for the FW photos needs to be replaced.

They have an entire studio devoted to painting stuff up for photos, and they need to use them. The models look pretty poor, but I hope it's just the poor paintwork which is doing that.

Don't care for the death roller, but I don't care for the "can only sculpt straight edges" approach they've gone for most of the dwarfs lately.

 Elbows wrote:
Wish I could see these new models painted by someone with talent. I hate to say it but the hack they have painting stuff for the FW photos needs to be replaced.

Agree to disagree, for the most part I like the stuff they've been painting for BB (with a couple of exceptions like the Rat Ogre that was just a complete miss). I prefer the rougher style, sure, blending is difficult and takes a lot of time, but frankly I usually think it ends up looking too cartoonish for my tastes. I like that they're going for a rougher oil painting style.

I don't like the pose of the troll.
It looks like he is scared of a mouse and maybe wants to smack it with the goblin.

 SirOllox wrote:
I don't like the pose of the troll.
It looks like he is scared of a mouse and maybe wants to smack it with the goblin.

That exact situation very much needs to become a Special Play event card (if not full rule!), haha!

What are the 'Benefits of Training' cards? Are they a 5th deck choice (that are not featured in season 1 / special play card variants pdf) or a deck with different rules?

I like parts of the troll, but it needs cutting into small bits and reposing, and removing the goblin.

 SJM wrote:
I like parts of the troll, but it needs cutting into small bits and reposing, and removing the goblin.

And adding two squig pom-poms to create the greatest cheerleader bloodbowl has even seen.

 plastictrees wrote:

 SJM wrote:
I like parts of the troll, but it needs cutting into small bits and reposing, and removing the goblin.

And adding two squig pom-poms to create the greatest cheerleader bloodbowl has even seen.

Whatever it tries to spell would be humorous .

Its well done, its just something about it does not look quite right, not sure whats going on, looks more like a dance, than it does a throw.

Its well done, its just something about it does not look quite right, not sure whats going on, looks more like a dance, than it does a throw.

Its well done, its just something about it does not look quite right, not sure whats going on, looks more like a dance, than it does a throw.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
From the pose it looks more like he's about to throw the goblin directly in to the ground rather than any distance.

Based on my experience with Throw Team-Mate, that's a pretty realistic outcome.

100 points for anyone who converts the troll with castanets.

 mindrobber wrote:
What are the 'Benefits of Training' cards? Are they a 5th deck choice (that are not featured in season 1 / special play card variants pdf) or a deck with different rules?

Fifth and sixth deck choices I believe.

 SJM wrote:
100 points for anyone who converts the troll with castanets.

I thought about converting one as a baseball pitcher in the middle of his wind-up. It might represent just how stupid Trolls are, showing up for the wrong sport. :-)

BigDaddio wrote:

 SJM wrote:
100 points for anyone who converts the troll with castanets.

I thought about converting one as a baseball pitcher in the middle of his wind-up. It might represent just how stupid Trolls are, showing up for the wrong sport. :-)

That was a genius idea. Have an exalt; have another if you actually do it.

Sorry, I have to post this here



The traduction its: "GW becoming reconciled with the Spanish market"

It's what the people want.

I'm hoping that the Goblins come with at least one Troll. Just for some variety. I expect Forgeworld to come up with a Ripper model along with the 4 special weapons goblins (or is it going to be 6?)

If there was going to be a troll that came with goblins, it would have been this one holding a goblin.

 AduroT wrote:
If there was going to be a troll that came with goblins, it would have been this one holding a goblin.

I think what Anpu was suggesting was because Goblins can take 3 trolls, so maybe we'll get lucky and their sprue will come with a troll (seeing how goblins are small and all the BB team sprues have been the same size thus far, there might be left over room on the sprue). Otherwise it's going to look pretty derpy having 2 trolls in such an oddly specific pose.

I'm not going to be holding my breath though. I think for now I'm just going to use an old troll model I have kicking around and wait and see if GW or FW bring out something else. Reposing this troll is likely going to be too much of a pain in the arse.

EDIT: My mistake, Goblin teams can only take 2 trolls, in that case I doubt GW will include a troll on the Goblin sprues, maybe FW will release a star player troll though?

someone knows when goblin team comes?

Bright crusaders & Deathroller May
Orcland Raiders June
Something and something in July

I guessed Goblins and Elven Union and Hastings said one was right. Presumably that's the Goblins and something else.

Vorian wrote:
Bright crusaders & Deathroller May

We already have the Deathroller up for preorder and it comes out end of March, not May.

Good point - he did actually say in that discussion that he wasn't expecting that even as early as May; so it looks like they've surprised him even more.

I believe that bright crusaders will be from forgeworld (other plastic human team isnt a good idea)

And i hope that new teams will be plastic.

One new team each month please

Yup, crusaders and raiders are resin upgrades. Maybe we'll see the resin booster for the Skaven before too long too

From Hastings:

As for BB I think we all have pretty much the same information, the team working on it have been pretty open with what they are planning in the upcoming year, IIRC there's a plastic goblin team with resin secret weapons, resin skaven booster, plastic elf (not 100% sure which but seem to think I was told union), more resin star players (mainly from Death Zone 2), resin dark elf team, nurgle team (have been told this is resin, but also that it is plastic, so no idea which is correct/most up to date), and at a later time a plastic chaos team with a new minotaur (hoping this is plastic and not resin but I don't know), there's also a couple more card pitches (I think also including a special event one I seem to remember) as well as the neoprene/mousemat material one, and obviously DZ2. Plenty to look forward to!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
If there was going to be a troll that came with goblins, it would have been this one holding a goblin.

I think what Anpu was suggesting was because Goblins can take 3 trolls, so maybe we'll get lucky and their sprue will come with a troll (seeing how goblins are small and all the BB team sprues have been the same size thus far, there might be left over room on the sprue). Otherwise it's going to look pretty derpy having 2 trolls in such an oddly specific pose.

I'm not going to be holding my breath though. I think for now I'm just going to use an old troll model I have kicking around and wait and see if GW or FW bring out something else. Reposing this troll is likely going to be too much of a pain in the arse.

EDIT: My mistake, Goblin teams can only take 2 trolls, in that case I doubt GW will include a troll on the Goblin sprues, maybe FW will release a star player troll though?

Right, I know what I meant. I mean that if they were to have sculpted multiple Trolls, one to sell separately and one to put on the goblin sprues, then the one holding the goblin would have been the one they put on the goblin sprues, so seeing it sold separately means the odds of there being a different one with the goblins is pretty close to nil.

 AduroT wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
If there was going to be a troll that came with goblins, it would have been this one holding a goblin.

I think what Anpu was suggesting was because Goblins can take 3 trolls, so maybe we'll get lucky and their sprue will come with a troll (seeing how goblins are small and all the BB team sprues have been the same size thus far, there might be left over room on the sprue). Otherwise it's going to look pretty derpy having 2 trolls in such an oddly specific pose.

I'm not going to be holding my breath though. I think for now I'm just going to use an old troll model I have kicking around and wait and see if GW or FW bring out something else. Reposing this troll is likely going to be too much of a pain in the arse.

EDIT: My mistake, Goblin teams can only take 2 trolls, in that case I doubt GW will include a troll on the Goblin sprues, maybe FW will release a star player troll though?

Right, I know what I meant. I mean that if they were to have sculpted multiple Trolls, one to sell separately and one to put on the goblin sprues, then the one holding the goblin would have been the one they put on the goblin sprues, so seeing it sold separately means the odds of there being a different one with the goblins is pretty close to nil.

Not necessarily, I'd just imagine the one that takes up less space on the sprue would be the one included with the goblins.

Yes, this one took up 2 small sprues by itself...

Sometimes with my goblins, I'll purposely go low TV to induce a star player... and sometimes that can be Ripper the Troll. Ripper is awesome.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
If there was going to be a troll that came with goblins, it would have been this one holding a goblin.

I think what Anpu was suggesting was because Goblins can take 3 trolls, so maybe we'll get lucky and their sprue will come with a troll (seeing how goblins are small and all the BB team sprues have been the same size thus far, there might be left over room on the sprue). Otherwise it's going to look pretty derpy having 2 trolls in such an oddly specific pose.

I'm not going to be holding my breath though. I think for now I'm just going to use an old troll model I have kicking around and wait and see if GW or FW bring out something else. Reposing this troll is likely going to be too much of a pain in the arse.

EDIT: My mistake, Goblin teams can only take 2 trolls, in that case I doubt GW will include a troll on the Goblin sprues, maybe FW will release a star player troll though?

Right, I know what I meant. I mean that if they were to have sculpted multiple Trolls, one to sell separately and one to put on the goblin sprues, then the one holding the goblin would have been the one they put on the goblin sprues, so seeing it sold separately means the odds of there being a different one with the goblins is pretty close to nil.

Not necessarily, I'd just imagine the one that takes up less space on the sprue would be the one included with the goblins.

Though having an non-throwing troll included in the Goblin team kit would incentivize non-throwing Orc players to buy the Goblins as well, and the clampack would incentivize throwing Goblin players to buy that even with the troll in kit.

Not that I think it's particularly likely that they include a Big Guy in a team kit at all. Though if, per Hastings, they're making secret weapons resin as well, I'm not sure what else they'd include in Goblins. Maybe only some of the weapons are resin and the rest are in the kit? Or - less likely but interesting to speculate about - could they possibly be changing the rules for Goblins in DZ2 so there are more standard positionals? Maybe they'd try to make them into more of a standard team.

Personally I'm interested in more information about the Skaven resin upgrade. I need more players for my team but don't want to be proxying them for months just to avoid buying another box now.

While I can somewhat agree that FW isn´t really showing off their Star Players and Big Guys with their paintjobs but the miniatures themselves are pristine when in hand and unpainted.

Vorian wrote:
Bright crusaders & Deathroller May
Orcland Raiders June
Something and something in July

I guessed Goblins and Elven Union and Hastings said one was right. Presumably that's the Goblins and something else.

My guess (and my hopes) are that we'll see Goblins in plastic and Dark Elves in resin. It seems whenever someone asks about teams beyond the first four plastic teams, they have always gotten a response of "We plan on making more teams in resin, like Dark Elves...." or at least from what I recall.

As far as Elves go I'd absolutely love to see a Wood Elf team, I think the other Elvish teams aren't too hard to make with existing models (either GW conversions or 3rd party) but the Wood Elves are a bit lacking.

Though more than anything I'd love to see a Lizardmen team using the aesthetic seen in the video game.

I would be happy with any elves at this point, even DE that I just cannot seem to do well with, no matter how hard I try !!

I find it very frustrating that they are bringing out a Goblin team before any elves !!

 Rayvon wrote:
I would be happy with any elves at this point, even DE that I just cannot seem to do well with, no matter how hard I try !!

I find it very frustrating that they are bringing out a Goblin team before any elves !!

I'm similarly frustrated that the Ork team doesn't have a goblin yet. To each their own, I guess.

There are plenty of 3rd party teams available that are just amazing sculpts.

I imagine the goblins are getting their team this early because you can take goblins in the Orc team, and then that's also why the special weapons are apparently going to be resin and not plastic as the Orcs can't use those.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
I would be happy with any elves at this point, even DE that I just cannot seem to do well with, no matter how hard I try !!

I find it very frustrating that they are bringing out a Goblin team before any elves !!

I'm similarly frustrated that the Ork team doesn't have a goblin yet. To each their own, I guess.

There are plenty of 3rd party teams available that are just amazing sculpts.

I wish I could use third party sculpts, there are indeed some quality ones, but I will be playing at Warhammer World most of the time.

I am also waiting for some extra orc blockers and black orcs to be released as well as the gobbo, not sure why they decided to release star players before they made these.

It seems like a pretty half arsed re release of the game so far to me.

I cannot wait for the Amazons.

Rayvon wrote:
I wish I could use third party sculpts, there are indeed some quality ones, but I will be playing at Warhammer World most of the time.

I am also waiting for some extra orc blockers and black orcs to be released as well as the gobbo, not sure why they decided to release star players before they made these.

It seems like a pretty half arsed re release of the game so far to me.

Yeah....that's a bad spot to be in. I'm pretty lucky in that my LGS that does Blood Bowl doesn't care about minis being official or what not, or as an Undead player I'd be screwed. GW doesn't even make anything that remotely resembles a mummy anymore, and their Zombies are hideous (not in a good way).

I will agree that this has been a pretty half-arsed re-release (though I think this isn't the Forgeworld guys fault, they don't seem to be allocated enough resources to do much with it.....in their interviews and the podcasts I listed to with them....they all seemed really excited about it). It would be nice if we could get a new plastic team every other month or so. I don't think they have plans for any more plastic teams beyond the Goblins. Which is kind of odd as Blood Bowl sold very well by all accounts I have heard.

The choice of teams they offered in Season One was really bad too. Three elf teams out of Seven was a bit much, especially considering the Elf Union is an "All-Star" style team and a new one at that. We got no Undead teams of any stripe, and we got Nurgle instead of normal Chaos. I would have imagined the first nine teams would be something like: Humans, Orcs, Dwarves, Dark Elves, High Elves, Skaven, Chaos, Undead, and Lizardmen. That seems that would cover the more popular teams right off the bat (barring Wood Elves....who should have been be an early expansion with that lineup).

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I cannot wait for the Amazons.

Amazons would be awesome, but at this rate I think we are looking at something like 2020......

Goblins in plastic seems a little ridiculous, especially if the special weapons will be resin add-ons.
Oh well, limits my regret for converting a plastic high elf team.

Amazons are the very LAST taem they should bother with.

Not mentioning the5 female teams Shadow Forge makes(Dwarf, Orc, Gridiron girls, dark elf, elf, bunnies) there must be(excluding Gw's piss poor amazon models) a dozen female teams. I use the broad term "female team" because there are dark elf girls, dwarf ladies, etc. And most can be used for say, humans or, whatever.

Look, I have about 2,000(yeas. 2,000+) Blood Bowl/Fantasy Football figures(and I don't even collect sideline staff. But I do have a soft spot for REF figures), and I love new teams. But the amazon thing is played.

They never really look like they may be playing a violent sport. They are ridiculus in their bodily proportions(I'm a FREAK for big tities(as long as they are real), but some of these ladies would have trouble standing up), and they all basically look like they are pole dancing.

I know, I know...They sell. But its played. Lets move on to something new for the game.

Deathroller arrived this morning.. I knew it wasn't going to go on the 32mm.. way too small.. but it seems after putting it together its footprint was too big for even 40mm in my mind, so put it on a 50mm.. which makes not much difference at the end of the day as you still need to get the model on the line no matter how tiny the base is.



And a scale shot to show it next to other players.



I adore the model.. although as with a lot of FW stuff, struggling to see how it warrants a £38 price tag when Morg was £20, but still happy I got it. Might get another if I ever do a second Dwarf team.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Deathroller arrived this morning.. I knew it wasn't going to go on the 32mm.. way too small.. but it seems after putting it together its footprint was too big for even 40mm in my mind, so put it on a 50mm.. which makes not much difference at the end of the day as you still need to get the model on the line no matter how tiny the base is.



And a scale shot to show it next to other players.



I adore the model.. although as with a lot of FW stuff, struggling to see how it warrants a £38 price tag when Morg was £20, but still happy I got it. Might get another if I ever do a second Dwarf team.

oooooooooooooo! thx for posting! Gotta get me a deathroller

I'm thinking I might do a Halfling team in the next local season. Probably use the new medium sized Sylvaneth models for the Treemen and Warmachine Dwarves for the Halflings.

Multiple plastic kits and several resin star players, an expansion book.

Games Workshop have supported Blood Bowl more in the last five months than they for almost all of the 1990s. I don't see this as half-arsed at all. There's a release schedule. We're half a year in. You're simply not going to have got everything you wanted yet. Calm down.

 ekwatts wrote:
Multiple plastic kits and several resin star players, an expansion book.

Games Workshop have supported Blood Bowl more in the last five months than they for almost all of the 1990s. I don't see this as half-arsed at all. There's a release schedule. We're half a year in. You're simply not going to have got everything you wanted yet. Calm down.

The very first two teams they came out with, did not even have enough positionals to make a full team, If i want to make an Orc team, I need to buy two boxes just to get enough blitzers and black orcs, and even then I would have four identical blitzers and four identical black orcs. The has still not been rectified, the first team is still missing players and goblins and yet they are already releasing a fifth team.

This is why it is half arsed, I can appreciate that there is a release schedule and I can cope with having to wait for my team, but it does show that these releases are somewhat shoehorned in at the last minute and not much thought seems to have gone in with it.


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 Sabotage! wrote:


Yeah....that's a bad spot to be in. I'm pretty lucky in that my LGS that does Blood Bowl doesn't care about minis being official or what not, or as an Undead player I'd be screwed. GW doesn't even make anything that remotely resembles a mummy anymore, and their Zombies are hideous (not in a good way).

I will agree that this has been a pretty half-arsed re-release (though I think this isn't the Forgeworld guys fault, they don't seem to be allocated enough resources to do much with it.....in their interviews and the podcasts I listed to with them....they all seemed really excited about it). It would be nice if we could get a new plastic team every other month or so. I don't think they have plans for any more plastic teams beyond the Goblins. Which is kind of odd as Blood Bowl sold very well by all accounts I have heard.

The choice of teams they offered in Season One was really bad too. Three elf teams out of Seven was a bit much, especially considering the Elf Union is an "All-Star" style team and a new one at that. We got no Undead teams of any stripe, and we got Nurgle instead of normal Chaos. I would have imagined the first nine teams would be something like: Humans, Orcs, Dwarves, Dark Elves, High Elves, Skaven, Chaos, Undead, and Lizardmen. That seems that would cover the more popular teams right off the bat (barring Wood Elves....who should have been be an early expansion with that lineup).

The teams they chose do seem pretty random, it would have been easy for them to find out the most popular and it would have made sense to bring them out first, I am a bit gutted that there is no sign of the undead or Necro.

Ah well, thats enough moaning I guess, I am grateful that they re released the game, even if I cannot yet play it !!

It would have made more sense to do boosters for human, orc and Skaven before star players - but it's a bit harsh to call it half arsed just for that.

The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

Vorian wrote:


The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

I often wondered where this idea of boosters came from, they never did it with any previous versions of the game that im aware of, or any army units either really with the exception of specialists.

Vorian wrote:
It would have made more sense to do boosters for human, orc and Skaven before star players - but it's a bit harsh to call it half arsed just for that.

The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

Maybe it is a bit harsh, but the order they are picking the teams seems pretty random as well, which adds to the half arsed ness of it for me !!

stato wrote:

Vorian wrote:


The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

I often wondered where this idea of boosters came from, they never did it with any previous versions of the game that im aware of, or any army units either really with the exception of specialists.

The previous versions of the game supplied a full team straight out of the box.

The previous versions of the game supplied a full team straight out of the box.

What do you mean? The 3rd edition sprues came with exactly the same positionals as the new box. But the 3 linemen on each sprue were identical

2nd edition had boosters for certain, 3rd had some as well.. you had the team blisters as well.. (one of my rare items is an old Blood Bowl Team booster) but you could get touch up boosters.. and Star players came that way as well.

 Rayvon wrote:
The previous versions of the game supplied a full team straight out of the box.

Only in the same way the new teams do. The third edition plastic teams were identical in composition to the new edition – two blitzers, two throwers, two catchers, and six linemen for the the humans and two blitzers, two blockers, two throwers and six linemen for the orcs. The metal teams (Gouged Eye and The Marauaders) of the period that came out afterwards were identical in composition except for substituting a third blitzer for a thrower.


The same applies for the other teams – the Skaven got a third gutter runner instead of a thrower, for example; but they were all 12-man. The only team that was full out of the box was the Specialist Games 2004 humans; even the Pro Elves were supplied as a 12-man team.

I understand the frustration that you can't put together your particular orc team owing to a lack of models, but a little conversion work (even a paintjob) on some spare linemen – or picking up some older blocker sculpts, or looking at third-party options – is a small price to pay to have a decent 12-man team from the start.

As with everything, it'll come with time. From what we've heard, GW have been caught a little flat-footed with Blood Bowl's success. It's presumable easier to sculpt and release individual stars – to keep things ticking over – than boosters or full teams, so I'm willing to give them time

pogey wrote:

The previous versions of the game supplied a full team straight out of the box.

What do you mean? The 3rd edition sprues came with exactly the same positionals as the new box. But the 3 linemen on each sprue were identical

In the 2nd edition it was the rings around the bases that denoted the different positions, I did not have to buy two lots of teams or any extra models to complete my teams as I do with the new version.

Plenty of the metal teams I bought came complete with every mini I needed as well.

I was not familiar with 3rd ed, so I was wrong about that one, apologies

stato wrote:

Vorian wrote:


The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

I often wondered where this idea of boosters came from, they never did it with any previous versions of the game that im aware of, or any army units either really with the exception of specialists.

The idea comes from the (reasonably reliable) rumour that Skaven are getting a resin booster

Vorian wrote:

stato wrote:

Vorian wrote:


The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

I often wondered where this idea of boosters came from, they never did it with any previous versions of the game that im aware of, or any army units either really with the exception of specialists.

The idea comes from the (reasonably reliable) rumour that Skaven are getting a resin booster

The Skaven resin "booster" wasn't just the Rat Ogre, was it?

- There will be a Skaven booster done in Resin but with styles to match the plastic (2-3 new Gutter runners included).

News that came from one of the WHW open days

For Orcs, get a pack of Orruk Brutes. They fit really well as black orcs. Use the original 2 black orcs as blitzers instead.

Or resculpt/convert, orc team is the easiest to work with.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Hand swap with AoS Fellwater Troggoths?

A Fell whatnow?

*searches*

Oh. River Trolls. Right... how could I not know.

LOL, I literally had the same reaction

Great conversion potential in that troll model. Would make a cool Rock Lobber and the goblin can easily be swapped out for other items (nets, rocks, a horse!).

2nd edition came with a full team... Of completely identical, hideously ugly plastics that used coloured rings to denote positions. There's just no comparison with the current version at all, I don't even know why you'd make it.

And I loved 2nd edition.

Sorry, I just feel like some people enjoy complaining (yeah, yeah, welcome to dakka) when this is without a doubt the best-looking Blood bowl we've ever had, using a really good ruleset, and with steady, regular releases planned a year in advance. With 24+(?) teams to get through, no, you aren't necessarily going to get that exact one you want within the first five months of the release schedule. Statistically. Boo hoo. But nothing I've seen sk far suggests that this is half-arsed.

A couple of slightly dodgy resins. Still, boo hoo...

 ekwatts wrote:
2nd edition came with a full team... Of completely identical, hideously ugly plastics that used coloured rings to denote positions. There's just no comparison with the current version at all, I don't even know why you'd make it.

And I loved 2nd edition.

Sorry, I just feel like some people enjoy complaining (yeah, yeah, welcome to dakka) when this is without a doubt the best-looking Blood bowl we've ever had, using a really good ruleset, and with steady, regular releases planned a year in advance. With 24+(?) teams to get through, no, you aren't necessarily going to get that exact one you want within the first five months of the release schedule. Statistically. Boo hoo. But nothing I've seen sk far suggests that this is half-arsed.

A couple of slightly dodgy resins. Still, boo hoo...

Sorry for not agreeing with everything you say and sorry for not liking the things you like.
no need to give it the chlidish boo hoo rubbish though, just disagree.

The 3rd edition teams needed some add-ons if you wanted to run max blitzers etc. But those days you could still order individual metal models and bits from mail-order, so you could easily fill out a team as you pleased,

I personally see no point in buying the current teams since I'd have to use a lot if identical models (I can live with two copies in a team bit no more), so I won't be buying any of the new teams until they come out with some sort of booster models, if ever they do.

I would be open to convert, but the models seem out of scale with anything previously released so that don't seem worth the effort.

 Zywus wrote:
The 3rd edition teams needed some add-ons if you wanted to run max blitzers etc. But those days you could still order individual metal models and bits from mail-order, so you could easily fill out a team as you pleased,

I personally see no point in buying the current teams since I'd have to use a lot if identical models (I can live with two copies in a team bit no more), so I won't be buying any of the new teams until they come out with some sort of booster models, if ever they do.

I would be open to convert, but the models seem out of scale with anything previously released so that don't seem worth the effort.

I think you exaggerate a little bit. As has been mentioned you can take the Orcs and mix them with Brutes to fill out the Black Orcs, they aren't out of scale. The Skaven team is almost full except for the Gutter Runners (you can only take 2 Blitzers and 2 Throwers anyway, which is what comes in the box) and 2 Gutter Runners is a decent starting team (you'll want more over time, but I've won a decent proportion of games just using 2 Gutter Runners) if you really want you can convert the Deathrunners from Silver Tower (you used to be able to get them on ebay reasonably cheap, haven't checked recently).

Not to mention the Dwarf team which comes with 2 Troll Slayers, 2 Runners and 2 Blitzers.... which is all you're allowed to take anyway.

The human team is the only one I don't really know how to expand. If you don't mind the models I suppose you could use Griff and Zug as positionals instead of Star Players.

Personally I'm not overly interested in league play anyway, so I'm happy enough with the teams out of the box and I'm just waiting to see if they release more positionals over time.

Human Blitzers are easy to convert. Just carve the larger bird crest on their helmet out of a piece of plasticard and glue it on and presto.

 AduroT wrote:
Human Blitzers are easy to convert. Just carve the larger bird crest on their helmet out of a piece of plasticard and glue it on and presto.

Yeah, I guess the main reason I don't like that idea is the human blitzers already look too similar to linemen and all the blitzers/linemen have very similar and boring poses But yeah, I guess that could work.

Might not be real news, but the BB troll is already sold out on the U.S. Site

 Theophony wrote:
Might not be real news, but the BB troll is already sold out on the U.S. Site

i hope the shadow wars and blood bowl troll sell out are april fools

 Zywus wrote:
The 3rd edition teams needed some add-ons if you wanted to run max blitzers etc. But those days you could still order individual metal models and bits from mail-order, so you could easily fill out a team as you pleased,

I personally see no point in buying the current teams since I'd have to use a lot if identical models (I can live with two copies in a team bit no more), so I won't be buying any of the new teams until they come out with some sort of booster models, if ever they do.

I would be open to convert, but the models seem out of scale with anything previously released so that don't seem worth the effort.

I pretty much agree with this, back in 2nd ed, I did not mind them all being the same because it was that or nothing, but this latest release seems like its just trying to get us all to buy two lots of teams or models from other ranges to use instead.

I just dont have time for converting, not even cutting weapons off hands, and with the current state of AoS I dont even know which models I am suppose to use as elves anyway !!!



Saying that, I would instantly buy an agility four team as soon as it was released, thankfully the team rosters i use for Elves only have two of each positionals, so I think that would fit with the current GW way of doing things.
I hope it is sooner rather than later too, all these leagues I see have a boatload of slow bashy teams, and most of them seem to be in dire need of having rings ran around them !!

Bloodbowl is coming to Made to Order next weekend

Now this is good news, hopefully some big guys are on the list too !

I hope the old death roller and dwarf characters are there. I have a basic dwarf team, but want to flesh it out.

 Theophony wrote:
I hope the old death roller and dwarf characters are there. I have a basic dwarf team, but want to flesh it out.

Indeed, the previous 2 metal death rollers would be auto-purchases but they could affect sales of the newer variant so probably not as likely as some of the other possibilities such as Hthark the Unstoppable in the teaser picture. Hope to see Grim Ironjaw too as that was a class model and holds up well imo.

The troll looks gooood

No comments on the new Team Titans decks Dirty Training and Benefits of Training?

I think they looked awesome, gonna test them later this week. Not sure how they should be valued though. GW have already released multiple variants for selecting cards, but they only apply to the then released decks from starter set and first deck expansion.

So will elves of any kind be coming in plastic?

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
So will elves of any kind be coming in plastic?

The general assumption is that all the teams in Season One will be brought over over the next few months. Seems to be one team a month or so, wondering if the MTO this month is the release or if it's an additional.

Specialist Design Studio had shown design sketches of Nurgle, Elf and Goblin teams (all by Mark Bedford if I remember correctly). Back then it wasn't clear if they would be plastic too. Now with BB being a financial success there is a good chance that these will indeed be plastic kits and FW only makes upgrade kits for them like with the Orc and Human teams.

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Found some of it. Photos and info (but there were some contradicting reports on other websites / from other visitors what would be plastic and what wouldnt)

https://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.de/2016/05/warhammer-fest-2016-part-one-blood-bowl.html

Most commonly corroborating rumours were as follows:

Goblins -plastic
Nurgle -resin
Elves -either

The elves didn't really get a mention at first, but these are where the rumours have been conflicting.

With the success of Blood Bowl, the Nurgle team may be moved over to plastic. But there's NO firm conformation or even rumour to that effect.

So the only real "strong" bet is plastic goblins.

Really? because the last I heard was Nurgle/Elves in plastic.

I'd be pretty upset if they decided that Nurgle is going to be resin, it's sets a pretty bad precedent.

The only problem I have with resin teams, is the pricing.

Ten FW resin men normally go for £45+ and there needs to be twelve here.

Then you factor in the larger models which are £20-£40 so you end up with a single blood bowl team costing you in the range of 5 start up teams or a about 3 teams including the 0-1 large.

As long as they actually provide the right positionals and no duplicates, that would be fine with me

twistinthunder wrote:
Really? because the last I heard was Nurgle/Elves in plastic.

I'd be pretty upset if they decided that Nurgle is going to be resin, it's sets a pretty bad precedent.

There are rumours that Nurgle is possibly being moved into plastic, which counteracts the very firm early rumours at launch last year that they would be resin.

When I hear these things I always try and factor a nice big dose of reality in: Companies plan their releases far in advance, and models are designed long in advance of their release dates. Prototyping and production runs can happen about a year prior to release. I don't know the intricacies of GWs processes, obviously, so these are variables, but the "concept to shelf" process is not fact.

Let's imagine GW released BB in November, 2016, and it sold blindingly well. Early indications would have been excellent. First quarter figures in 2017 will have effectively cemented any proposed changes in strategy, such as which teams might be produced in resin or plastic (and what would be realistic to produce).

If Nurgle were already on the drawing board at the time of release, it is by no means impossible that they might decide to switch production to plastic (design and modelling is already done at that point, most likely, after all). But until somebody confirms that (ie: has seen sprues) then at this point I'd assume resin.

As for elves, who knows? There were concepts but no real news as to whether to expect them in resin or plastic as, if they were coming (and it was still an "if" back when the rumours came out, as BB was still fresh at that point), they were scheduled well after the Nurgle and Goblin teams.

Goblins were always rumoured in plastic. There's no conflicting information worth considering on that point.

Nurgle is not interesting because it would be among the easiest teams to make out of existing models in Fantasy/AoS/40k range.

Just look at this, they look excellent!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/20/duncan-rhodes-the-stinktown-floaters/



If anyone want a great looking nurgle team, just do that. I'd rather see teams which can not be so easily converted.

While I heard the goblins were plastic, I'd heard the special weapons would be resin.

With the new card decks, we finally have a use for the new trap doors on the pitch. So far only a single card?

Bright crusaders

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Bright-Crusaders-2017

Quite like? But not more than the Reikland Reavers set. No option to buy without human team? Would have thought it would make sense to release a pure upgrade set for those with the boxset... [would also make it easier to get the necessary 4 blitzers]

Stinktown Floaters? Ewww

The great Blight Kings set is exactly WHY I hope for plastic Nurgle players. You could make more varied Kings or Rotters that way, and new beastmen plastics are way past due. Combined with Death Guard kits and the plague zombies AoS, 40k and BB Nurgle could be the the visually most cohesive Cult line-up of all time. GW got Nurgle down to a science once they emulated Brian Nelson's characters and Adrian Smiths artwork for everything instead of silly looking tentacles and crudely sculpted torn bellies (see: Plague Marines and metal Rotters, Beasts).

 WarpSpider767 wrote:
necessary 4 blitzers]

Have I misunderstood the rules for twenty years? I've played humans with two Blitzers all that time; I hadn't realised I was doing it wrong.

Actually, the new human team makes a conversion from LIneman to Blitzer quite easy - cut the knuckledusters off one hand, lengthen the blades on the other to make a punch dagger. I painted the base rims on all my 3rd edition Blood Bowl teams anyway, so that makes it even clearer.

Another identical human team to paint, except different heads...

Edit: And torsoes.

Think I'll go for same colors as my original human team, so I can swap players and make a more unique team.

Baxx wrote:
Another identical human team to paint, except different heads...

And chest, and shoulderpads, that you don't even need to buy in the first place, but yeah.

Oof. The Bright Crusaders release is why I wish the plastic human team had more options for poses.

I guess the Middenheim Marauders will be the same?