Cronch wrote: Because that'd limit profits from selling that thing if/when they reprint it. If it can make a decent profit on it's own, it's no going to be part of this service.
The only place you can buy the reprint is at the Warhammer World store. They probably sell what, a hundred a year, and I suspect most of those people would buy it irrespective for a physical copy.
NAVARRO wrote: Sorry, I understand animations are out of GW control since its a third party that does that but why this service did not start with:
A package with Dozens of painting tutorials, Battle reports, lore articles etc? Why 1 per week? Seems to me like GW did not invest themselves in developing content since this is something they have total control.
Not to sound funny, but in that case you understand more than GW seems to do. This week's gap doesn't make GW look good no matter what else they might have thrown in (not that they did, but, you know). They either thought a week without animation was fine, which would point to a terrible lack of understanding their customers, or they thought producing enough in advance was not necessary because they expected everything to work flawlessly and they'd produce enough on time for one episode per week, which would be reckless and unrealistic.
I've been wondering if and when this was going to happen. Having a good laugh right now, too.
Next fun thing thing to see: Do they just button down and wait for it to blow over, or do they recognize their blunder and implement improvements (not that those would happen quickly)?
I'm surprised that the main complain seems to be lack of content and that GW is failing to provide interesting volumes of it..
We are talking about a company that has been generating content for several decades.
I respect the editorial choice of concentrating in generating new and fresh things but I recon that they should have a dedicated a team of Librarians going through archives and organising them in a way that the subs can digest them.
- Making of GW video games, Concept art, back to the past, press releases etc.
- Black goblin the old digital hobby content packed in one nice list with all those articles.
- Youtube thousands of hours of painting articles, rearranged and relisted on a more orderly fashion and hosted on this channel ( no need for people to go to YouTube)
- Hundreds of hours of twitch streams library.
- GW stores locations, interviews, services and past events coverage.
- Golden demons all recorded entries and prizes.
I will stop but I think GW is a company healthy in therms of content.
Cronch wrote: Because that'd limit profits from selling that thing if/when they reprint it. If it can make a decent profit on it's own, it's no going to be part of this service.
The only place you can buy the reprint is at the Warhammer World store. They probably sell what, a hundred a year, and I suspect most of those people would buy it irrespective for a physical copy.
Good deal more than 100 a year, as they keep running out of stock.
I’d love to see digital versions added to the vault though. Sadly I’ve no idea what’s involved in doing that, beyond “scanning a copy”, which I understand to be a gross oversimplification of the process.
Cronch wrote: Because that'd limit profits from selling that thing if/when they reprint it. If it can make a decent profit on it's own, it's no going to be part of this service.
The only place you can buy the reprint is at the Warhammer World store. They probably sell what, a hundred a year, and I suspect most of those people would buy it irrespective for a physical copy.
Good deal more than 100 a year, as they keep running out of stock.
I’d love to see digital versions added to the vault though. Sadly I’ve no idea what’s involved in doing that, beyond “scanning a copy”, which I understand to be a gross oversimplification of the process.
We can quibble the numbers, but ultimately it's not many, and as I say I doubt having an electronic version would even really hit the sales of that book. But it doesn't have to be ROC, but it's just an example of something that is old and wouldn't hit current sales but would get people excited. Another example would be the 2nd ed Codex Imperialis.
Honestly things like art and lore books are great to show digitally because they might actually encourage physical sales. I know that I've bought several comics/graphic novels because I enjoyed the art and such in the digital version and wanted to own in them paper. Without digital I'd likely never have bought them in the first place.
Cronch wrote: Because that'd limit profits from selling that thing if/when they reprint it. If it can make a decent profit on it's own, it's no going to be part of this service.
The only place you can buy the reprint is at the Warhammer World store. They probably sell what, a hundred a year, and I suspect most of those people would buy it irrespective for a physical copy.
Good deal more than 100 a year, as they keep running out of stock.
I’d love to see digital versions added to the vault though. Sadly I’ve no idea what’s involved in doing that, beyond “scanning a copy”, which I understand to be a gross oversimplification of the process.
If they're reprinting it, they already have a digital copy.
NAVARRO wrote: Sorry, I understand animations are out of GW control since its a third party that does that but why this service did not start with:
A package with Dozens of painting tutorials, Battle reports, lore articles etc? Why 1 per week? Seems to me like GW did not invest themselves in developing content since this is something they have total control.
Not to sound funny, but in that case you understand more than GW seems to do. This week's gap doesn't make GW look good no matter what else they might have thrown in (not that they did, but, you know). They either thought a week without animation was fine, which would point to a terrible lack of understanding their customers, or they thought producing enough in advance was not necessary because they expected everything to work flawlessly and they'd produce enough on time for one episode per week, which would be reckless and unrealistic.
I've been wondering if and when this was going to happen. Having a good laugh right now, too.
Next fun thing thing to see: Do they just button down and wait for it to blow over, or do they recognize their blunder and implement improvements (not that those would happen quickly)?
I'm surprised that the main complain seems to be lack of content and that GW is failing to provide interesting volumes of it..
We are talking about a company that has been generating content for several decades.
I respect the editorial choice of concentrating in generating new and fresh things but I recon that they should have a dedicated a team of Librarians going through archives and organising them in a way that the subs can digest them.
- Making of GW video games, Concept art, back to the past, press releases etc.
- Black goblin the old digital hobby content packed in one nice list with all those articles.
- Youtube thousands of hours of painting articles, rearranged and relisted on a more orderly fashion and hosted on this channel ( no need for people to go to YouTube)
- Hundreds of hours of twitch streams library.
- GW stores locations, interviews, services and past events coverage.
- Golden demons all recorded entries and prizes.
I will stop but I think GW is a company healthy in therms of content.
Not sure about that list. There's certainly some good suggestions in there, but some of it is problematic. There has already been a notable negative response to Warhammer+ both with regard to doing things you can get free on Youtube and getting some content creators to stop making their stuff available for free and working for Warhammer+ instead. Removing existing, free Youtube videos like painting guides only to make them available on Warhammer+ again is not going to be a good move. I also doubt that as much as companies love to paywall stuff, hiding store locations from a portion of their customers is something they'd consider.
There is a reasonable expectation, and I'm sure GW is aware of this, that Warhammer+ is going to succeed by offering new content and things that are not easily accessible otherwise. Throwing in anything and everything they have, regardless of actual value, isn't going to be popular.
The need for new content is the core of the issue. The problem with Warhammer+ content creation is that GW is historically very conservative with their spending. Much of the trouble of the Kirby era was down to getting maximum profit out of minimum investment, with cost cutting as the go to fix to keep margins as high as possible. Even though some of Kirby's policies have been rectified in the meantime the reluctance to invest in unproven things is deeply ingrained in GW's corporate culture. We are lucky these days to have Genestealer Cults, Mechanicus, plastic Sisters and the like that GW went all in on, along with a large number of new and untested AoS armies. These things didn't happen overnight and it took GW to see the reception to the first of these armies to keep going and give us more. In my opinion they are handling Warhammer+ the same. Bare minimum investment to get the thing started, and only if it works out they'll actually do the necessary investments to grow it. If it's not reasonably successful either way they'll cut their losses. Not necessarily by dropping it but by sticking with what they've been doing and producing content as cheaply as possible. I never expected Warhammer+ to wow anybody out of the gate. That's just not how GW works.
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Overread wrote: Honestly things like art and lore books are great to show digitally because they might actually encourage physical sales. I know that I've bought several comics/graphic novels because I enjoyed the art and such in the digital version and wanted to own in them paper. Without digital I'd likely never have bought them in the first place.
Even if they don't have that added effect, it still gets people paying GW through the subscription.
There's also not that much competition between a digital offer and the physical books GW sells. GW doesn't frequently release art books and fluff of campaign books doesn't usually get reprinted comprehensively. Once the campaign book sells out, that's it and the best thing you can hope for as a new customer who missed that release is a partial reprint or recap in a future campaign book, codex or core rulebook that builds on it.
I mean, they're already doing it with more recent campaign books. They obviously see that this is an attractive choice. It just the question of if and how they're going to expand it.
A beer is £4.20 round my way. That’ll last me perhaps 20 minutes, and I get nothing to show for it. That price can go up depending on what you’re drinking, and whereabouts you are. This is why I don’t go drinking in London.
A cinema ticket is £12.00 or so. That’s what, 1.5 to 3 hours of entertainment in a format I can’t immediately rewatch.
I paid £55 for a Shocktoberfest ticket. That’s a good three or four hours, but again not something I can revisit on a whim.
Food wise I can do a couple of decent burgers with £5, more or less.
Yes it is.
I can watch stuff on youtube. For free.
Last time I checked, I couldn't download a beer, couldn't magically download a cinema room and cinema sound or even the paper ticket, I couldn't download a burger either.
But please continue to compare businesses with tangible costs to produce tangible experiences to something produced via electric signals
A beer is £4.20 round my way. That’ll last me perhaps 20 minutes, and I get nothing to show for it. That price can go up depending on what you’re drinking, and whereabouts you are. This is why I don’t go drinking in London.
A cinema ticket is £12.00 or so. That’s what, 1.5 to 3 hours of entertainment in a format I can’t immediately rewatch.
I paid £55 for a Shocktoberfest ticket. That’s a good three or four hours, but again not something I can revisit on a whim.
Food wise I can do a couple of decent burgers with £5, more or less.
Yes it is.
I can watch stuff on youtube. For free.
Last time I checked, I couldn't download a beer, couldn't magically download a cinema room and cinema sound or even the paper ticket, I couldn't download a burger either.
But please continue to compare businesses with tangible costs to produce tangible experiences to something produced via electric signals
But that's not true is it. You can't actually watch the Warhammer+ series on Youtube. You could illegally stream them but then that's a moral choice. You also can't download the 40K or AoS app, or access the vault.
A beer is £4.20 round my way. That’ll last me perhaps 20 minutes, and I get nothing to show for it. That price can go up depending on what you’re drinking, and whereabouts you are. This is why I don’t go drinking in London.
A cinema ticket is £12.00 or so. That’s what, 1.5 to 3 hours of entertainment in a format I can’t immediately rewatch.
I paid £55 for a Shocktoberfest ticket. That’s a good three or four hours, but again not something I can revisit on a whim.
Food wise I can do a couple of decent burgers with £5, more or less.
Yes it is.
I can watch stuff on youtube. For free.
Last time I checked, I couldn't download a beer, couldn't magically download a cinema room and cinema sound or even the paper ticket, I couldn't download a burger either.
But please continue to compare businesses with tangible costs to produce tangible experiences to something produced via electric signals
But that's not true is it. You can't actually watch the Warhammer+ series on Youtube. You could illegally stream them but then that's a moral choice. You also can't download the 40K or AoS app, or access the vault.
No, but you can watch Battle Reports, Painting Guides, Lore videos, Animations etc. on YouTube, for free. Most of which are higher quality than anything on WH+.
I'm surprised that the main complain seems to be lack of content and that GW is failing to provide interesting volumes of it..
We are talking about a company that has been generating content for several decades.
I respect the editorial choice of concentrating in generating new and fresh things but I recon that they should have a dedicated a team of Librarians going through archives and organising them in a way that the subs can digest them.
- Making of GW video games, Concept art, back to the past, press releases etc.
- Black goblin the old digital hobby content packed in one nice list with all those articles.
- Youtube thousands of hours of painting articles, rearranged and relisted on a more orderly fashion and hosted on this channel ( no need for people to go to YouTube)
- Hundreds of hours of twitch streams library.
- GW stores locations, interviews, services and past events coverage.
- Golden demons all recorded entries and prizes.
I will stop but I think GW is a company healthy in therms of content.
Adding on to this:
-sit Simon Egan down for an interview on sculpting the primarchs, ask him what went into the design process, how long it takes him, what he takes inspiration from, etc etc
-do the same with... anybody. I'd listen to Jes Goodwin talk for a good couple of hours about designing space marines and Eldar
-concept artist interviews, bring in a bunch of the artists who worked for GW during 2nd, 3rd, 4th edition and get them talking grimdark
-think Mad Doc Grotsnik mentioned this, but bring in people like Andy Chambers, Adrian Wood, Paul Sawyer, to recreate classic and popular battle reports
-I'd subscribe in a heartbeat if they did more Horus Heresy content... again, designer interviews, show off more concept art, battle reports, etc etc
-have Andy Chambers, Rick Priestley, etc discuss the changing state of the game from Rogue Trader to 2nd edition to the 3rd edition overhaul of the rules and onward
-Darren Latham painting Masterclass in addition to what Louise is doing. have them cover the exact same topic, just in their own individual style. have them both do different things. who cares, they're both incredible artists
-Louise from what I remember did a lot of the heavy lifting on the Rogue Trader, Realms of Chaos reprints. cleaning up scanned pages of the original books, etc. Let her talk about that for a short series on restoring the old books.
The content that GW can throw into Warhammer+ is practically endless, there's literally no shortage of ideas for what they can put on this service beyond just the animations.
I think that the price is fine as it is - again, it's basically a fast food meal each month - but I do think that a lot of folks will drop their subscriptions fairly quickly if there isn't a steady stream of new content, especially animations. It does feel like Warhammer+ wasn't quite ready to roll out and that it was rushed, for whatever reason.
Not sure about that list. There's certainly some good suggestions in there, but some of it is problematic. There has already been a notable negative response to Warhammer+ both with regard to doing things you can get free on Youtube and getting some content creators to stop making their stuff available for free and working for Warhammer+ instead. Removing existing, free Youtube videos like painting guides only to make them available on Warhammer+ again is not going to be a good move. I also doubt that as much as companies love to paywall stuff, hiding store locations from a portion of their customers is something they'd consider.
There is a reasonable expectation, and I'm sure GW is aware of this, that Warhammer+ is going to succeed by offering new content and things that are not easily accessible otherwise. Throwing in anything and everything they have, regardless of actual value, isn't going to be popular.
The need for new content is the core of the issue. The problem with Warhammer+ content creation is that GW is historically very conservative with their spending. Much of the trouble of the Kirby era was down to getting maximum profit out of minimum investment, with cost cutting as the go to fix to keep margins as high as possible. Even though some of Kirby's policies have been rectified in the meantime the reluctance to invest in unproven things is deeply ingrained in GW's corporate culture. We are lucky these days to have Genestealer Cults, Mechanicus, plastic Sisters and the like that GW went all in on, along with a large number of new and untested AoS armies. These things didn't happen overnight and it took GW to see the reception to the first of these armies to keep going and give us more. In my opinion they are handling Warhammer+ the same. Bare minimum investment to get the thing started, and only if it works out they'll actually do the necessary investments to grow it. If it's not reasonably successful either way they'll cut their losses. Not necessarily by dropping it but by sticking with what they've been doing and producing content as cheaply as possible. I never expected Warhammer+ to wow anybody out of the gate. That's just not how GW works.
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Oh yes its quite apparent by now that this has been either planned in a rush or is simply underfunded. Trailing the waters before full committing.
Theres something to be said about past content that could be part of the deal. Plenty of content is forever lost or fragmented into the big WWW and this could provide the perfect opportunity, package them all in one platform.
Simple things that people enjoy like (armies on Parade) is spread everywhere and for the most part lost. One page with galleries divided by years would be quite interesting. Just an example.
-sit Simon Egan down for an interview on sculpting the primarchs, ask him what went into the design process, how long it takes him, what he takes inspiration from, etc etc
-do the same with... anybody. I'd listen to Jes Goodwin talk for a good couple of hours about designing space marines and Eldar
-concept artist interviews, bring in a bunch of the artists who worked for GW during 2nd, 3rd, 4th edition and get them talking grimdark
-think Mad Doc Grotsnik mentioned this, but bring in people like Andy Chambers, Adrian Wood, Paul Sawyer, to recreate classic and popular battle reports
-I'd subscribe in a heartbeat if they did more Horus Heresy content... again, designer interviews, show off more concept art, battle reports, etc etc
-have Andy Chambers, Rick Priestley, etc discuss the changing state of the game from Rogue Trader to 2nd edition to the 3rd edition overhaul of the rules and onward
-Darren Latham painting Masterclass in addition to what Louise is doing. have them cover the exact same topic, just in their own individual style. have them both do different things. who cares, they're both incredible artists
-Louise from what I remember did a lot of the heavy lifting on the Rogue Trader, Realms of Chaos reprints. cleaning up scanned pages of the original books, etc. Let her talk about that for a short series on restoring the old books.
The content that GW can throw into Warhammer+ is practically endless, there's literally no shortage of ideas for what they can put on this service beyond just the animations.
I think that the price is fine as it is - again, it's basically a fast food meal each month - but I do think that a lot of folks will drop their subscriptions fairly quickly if there isn't a steady stream of new content, especially animations. It does feel like Warhammer+ wasn't quite ready to roll out and that it was rushed, for whatever reason.
To add to this further, I'd love to see more info on the model design process. Follow a model from concept sketch, to CAD, to sprue layout & mold design, and then production. It's something they've covered briefly in White Dwarf before but would work better in a video format.
Have they pulled duncan, peachy and other painting tutorials exclusively on to plus yet? That should help bulk out the channel even if just a little bit
No. They're still available on YouTube, but from the way Nick Bayton was talking on the Hobby Clinic show on Twitch the week before last he's been pulled off the painting tutorials to be on Battle Reports on WH+. They had a job posting that looked like it was to do painting tutorials along with Peachy but it looks like the posting has already closed.
Ghaz wrote: No. They're still available on YouTube, but from the way Nick Bayton was talking on the Hobby Clinic show on Twitch the week before last he's been pulled off the painting tutorials to be on Battle Reports on WH+. They had a job posting that looked like it was to do painting tutorials along with Peachy but it looks like the posting has already closed.
Probably better that way. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but in his painting tutorials he always came off as trying way too hard to act like a charismatic human person to me.
The content that GW can throw into Warhammer+ is practically endless, there's literally no shortage of ideas for what they can put on this service beyond just the animations.
I agree 100% with that. They have such a huge backlog of things potentially interesting that I doesn't sit right the lack of content on the service. Almost like they want to have a Warhammer+ without putting too much leg work into it, not even reposting things or building a respectable catalog of audiovisual products.
Another question... Why not record or broadcast live events like games day or gencon seminars etc? Surely people that cannot attend would love to watch it.
Its almost like they have already built a massive amount of content but want to hide it from everyone.
There is so much inexpensive content they could generate.
Someone assembling miniatures.
Making terrain.
Designers talking about stuff they've designed.
Have someone take readers on tours of old White Dwarf content.
Show pictures and talk about Golden Daemon entries.
Tour of Warhammer World.
Make a 5 minute video about each of the amazing displays at Warhammer World.
Do one of those panel shows where 3-4 people talk about topics like: which Primarch would win at Scrabble, which Black Crusade was the blackest, what AoS realm would you want to live in, etc.
I'm surprised that the main complain seems to be lack of content and that GW is failing to provide interesting volumes of it..
We are talking about a company that has been generating content for several decades.
I might actually subscribe if they:
- Add ALL the previous White Dwarf magazines back to issue 1 or at least as far back as they can reasonably go. It doesn't need to be the current issues, so they can still monetise those.
- Add ALL the previous codexes, expansion books, IA books, and rulebooks up to 7th edition. Basically all the rules prior to the great reset that was 8th edition. Let people see how the lore has changed. Let people experience how the older editions played.
- Add ALL the previous Chapter Approved, How To Paint Citadel Miniatures books, and all the other minor hobby books they released. They had some great insight into the designers thoughts and ideas, had some creative experimental rules.
The best part is GW doesn't even sell any of this stuff anymore, so it's hardly taking anything from their pocket. All of this would literally add hundreds of hours of reading material.
bbb wrote: There is so much inexpensive content they could generate.
Someone assembling miniatures.
Making terrain.
Tour of Warhammer World.
Make a 5 minute video about each of the amazing displays at Warhammer World.
On the topic of Warhammer World, have an entire series on how they built those awesome tables in the gaming hall. There are some really cool setups in there. Start with the concept art, ideas, and have someone run through the entire process.
Adding to all of the above, they already managed something approaching that on Twitch before the pandemic too. Typically 2-3 battle reports a week and several hours of interviews, showcases etcetera. Depending on the preferred format, some or a lot of editing would be required to tidy these up a little, but this was what they used to offer every week, for free*. Compared to this, or the output of Guerilla Miniature Games and the likes, and considering the amazing back catalogue of documents they have, and the various knowledgeable, skilled and creative people in their company, it really is mind boggling how they choose to offer so little in their "premium" paid service.
(*Live at least, IIRC past vods were available to paid subscribers, but they removed the paywall early in the pandemic when new live streams became tricky.)
Racerguy180 wrote: The lack of rules in publications and old books is ridiculous.
If they put up all the old rulebook & supplements it would be enuff to get me to subscribe.
I am in full agreement, but I suspect GW is worried that exposing people to older editions might impact sales on the "best edition yet". They seem very fond of their piecemeal rule sales to the point they've adopted some of the less savory DLC habits. Old editions have basically never actually been complete, but handing them out as part of a subscription and putting people in a position where they might enjoy essentially complete sets of superior rules without ever paying for a new codex or supplement again seems like something they are unwilling to risk, as highlighted by removing rules from the campaign books they put up in the vault.
Eh its a null worry really. Old rules editions are still out there and very plentiful in supply in paper format. Same as they are for most other games that have older editions; heck even video games have older edition downloads.
Those who will use them will still get access and use them; but the vast overwhelming majority keep "up to date" with the latest.
Putting things like old battletomes/codex/rulebooks up might actually net GW more money because now people with a casual interest in the history of the game and its lore and products won't have to spend money on secondhand products. They can just get them digitally from GW directly.
The biggest issue would be if they put up old editions as full books online because that's something they've taken away from the current digital release of the rules. So that would be the big "risk" for them; that people would want digital access to current publications too.
Of course if they bundle that in as paid extras to the Warhammer+ system then it won't "harm" the digital apps.
Rihgu wrote: When I upgraded my app's subscription to the full Warhammer+ sub it just worked for me. I couldn't actually make a Warhammer+ subscription except through upgrading my app.
Did you buy your Warhammer+ subscription through the app then? That's what, $60 so you have to buy it twice. : /
Buy what twice? I was paying for the Warhammer App, and then Warhammer+ came out, so I went into my iPhone's app subscription settings and flipped "upgrade to Warhammer+".
I wasn't charged twice, didn't buy anything twice, it just took upgraded the subscription.
That's the thing that's driving me nuts- I don't see the "upgrade to Warhammer+" in my subscriptions. It just wants me to buy a year.
Overread wrote: Eh its a null worry really. Old rules editions are still out there and very plentiful in supply in paper format. Same as they are for most other games that have older editions; heck even video games have older edition downloads.
Those who will use them will still get access and use them; but the vast overwhelming majority keep "up to date" with the latest.
Putting things like old battletomes/codex/rulebooks up might actually net GW more money because now people with a casual interest in the history of the game and its lore and products won't have to spend money on secondhand products. They can just get them digitally from GW directly.
It's not that I disagree with what you said, but just because that's a reasonable stance to take doesn't mean that GW reasons like that or sees the merit in it if they do. Of course my outlook is fundamentally different to yours about just how much GW's decisions are founded on pettiness and paranoia. So not much else to say on that, I guess.
Overread wrote: The biggest issue would be if they put up old editions as full books online because that's something they've taken away from the current digital release of the rules. So that would be the big "risk" for them; that people would want digital access to current publications too.
Of course if they bundle that in as paid extras to the Warhammer+ system then it won't "harm" the digital apps.
People want current digital editions regardless of whether anything comparable from older editions exists on Warhammer+ or not. I should know. I'm one of those people.
You're probably right that it gives such people additional cause to feel justified in their demands but I'm not really sure how relevant that is to GW. The decision to do away with digital codices is so mindnumbingly stupid that I'm not sure any reasonable argument is even going to touch on what's going on with GW in that regard.
slightly off topic here, weren't subscribers supposed to get a $10 voucher when signed up for one month? Surely it's been that long and how is that distributed (old man memory syndrome)?
Overread wrote: I think you has to be signed up for 2 months not just one.
ah, makes sense. Need some Attack Bikes and trying to decide if getting the voucher for $10 off is better than adding items to order to reach $240 for miniature. was thinking of Necron codex and elite edition anyway. There is a chance that thy both occur on same day (Oct 28th is 2 months, last day of promo is also Oct 28th but I have a sneaky suspicion that it will not overlap and Oct 28th was chosen as last day for that reason)
bullyboy wrote: slightly off topic here, weren't subscribers supposed to get a $10 voucher when signed up for one month? Surely it's been that long and how is that distributed (old man memory syndrome)?
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Vorian wrote: Interesting given some of the suggestions here, this week there's a show about Angels of Death.
Half an hour of people talking about the show and interviewing some of the creative behind it.
Given its called the inaugural episode, presumably it'll be an ongoing feature
Wonder if they'll talk about why we're not getting new episodes of it and why it seems to have halted.
It was the only part of the sub I looked forward to each week.
Vorian wrote: Interesting given some of the suggestions here, this week there's a show about Angels of Death.
Half an hour of people talking about the show and interviewing some of the creative behind it.
Given its called the inaugural episode, presumably it'll be an ongoing feature
Wonder if they'll talk about why we're not getting new episodes of it and why it seems to have halted.
It was the only part of the sub I looked forward to each week.
They talk about a mid season break in it, so with Hammer and Bolter coming back next week maybe there's 3 weeks of that before we get episodes 6-10.
Vorian wrote: Interesting given some of the suggestions here, this week there's a show about Angels of Death.
Half an hour of people talking about the show and interviewing some of the creative behind it.
Given its called the inaugural episode, presumably it'll be an ongoing feature
Wonder if they'll talk about why we're not getting new episodes of it and why it seems to have halted.
It was the only part of the sub I looked forward to each week.
They talk about a mid season break in it, so with Hammer and Bolter coming back next week maybe there's 3 weeks of that before we get episodes 6-10.
Yeah. I just watched the talk show and heard them use the phrase 'mid season break'.
I guess that means a few weeks/months of no Angels of Death, but at least it is coming back eventually. Hope they'll do something to make the sub worth while in the meantime.
Interestingly enough you don't have to be a subscriber to enter, it's in the terms and conditions presumably to meet legal requirements in various locations - purchase to enter is illegal in some jurisdictions and residents of Canada or Belgium must correctly answer a skill-testing question in order to win a prize, in accordance with Canadian and Belgian laws.
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and yep voucher code arrived earlier now to wait on either the Boltboyz or Dol Guldur terrain release.
Gotta ask support if WH+ is allowed for countries which don't have it available yet, I always try raffles and when I have luck, I have luck, from wines in baskets to laundry machines.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, so you can ask in an e-mail? well, better to ask, but even being on a country without WH+ I'm still allowed to get a miniature and access to the Vault.
It'll be a small studio so yeah, having two projects alternate isn't a new thing. While the Mandolorean was on, Bad Batch was being worked on. While Bad Batch was on, Book of Boba Fett was being worked on.
Gert wrote: It'll be a small studio so yeah, having two projects alternate isn't a new thing. While the Mandolorean was on, Bad Batch was being worked on. While Bad Batch was on, Book of Boba Fett was being worked on.
lol what?
Playing =/= "running projects"
Mandalorian ran week after week.
H&B went three eps then stopped
AOD went five eps then stopped
Now H&B #4
Joke.
They even put the sizzle reel 4-6 of H&B behind the paywall to pretend they've got more content than they do....
2021 2 min TV-14, 15
Animation
Summary
Stare into the warp and glimpse the future with this trailer for the next three episodes of Hammer and Bolter, featuring Aeldari, Adeptus Astartes, and Adepta Sororitas
Automatically Appended Next Post: lolbtwwtf is going on with Angels of death? It has the worst lighting and worse colour pallete.
Deep blacks? Illegal
Colours? Like two on screen maximum...
Oh but look someone's gone to the effort of putting spamming plenty of unrealistic lens bloom, because....reasons
Like....skin just...doesn't ...reflect light like .... that...
lolbtwwtf is going on with Angels of death? It has the worst lighting and worse colour pallete.
Deep blacks? Illegal
Colours? Like two on screen maximum...
Oh but look someone's gone to the effort of putting spamming plenty of unrealistic lens bloom, because....reasons
Like....skin just...doesn't ...reflect light like .... that...
It's an art style. It's Richard Boylan's art style, the guy who did the animation of Helsreach. You are allowed to not like it but pretending it's some kind of low quality animation just because it doesn't use colours everywhere is just sad.
It's an art style. It's Richard Boylan's art style, the guy who did the animation of Helsreach. You are allowed to not like it but pretending it's some kind of low quality animation just because it doesn't use colours everywhere is just sad.
It might be the same guy, but it sure ain't the same style.
*cough* It's locked on the warhammer plus website The fact that the "sizzle reel" is on youtube, just makes it even funnier.
lolbtwwtf is going on with Angels of death? It has the worst lighting and worse colour pallete.
Deep blacks? Illegal
Colours? Like two on screen maximum...
Oh but look someone's gone to the effort of putting spamming plenty of unrealistic lens bloom, because....reasons
Like....skin just...doesn't ...reflect light like .... that...
It's an art style. It's Richard Boylan's art style, the guy who did the animation of Helsreach. You are allowed to not like it but pretending it's some kind of low quality animation just because it doesn't use colours everywhere is just sad.
It's an amateur sin city ripoff applied with no good reason. It just comes off as lame. Film noir doesn't suit 40k. Childish but not in a good childish way.
It's an art style. It's Richard Boylan's art style, the guy who did the animation of Helsreach. You are allowed to not like it but pretending it's some kind of low quality animation just because it doesn't use colours everywhere is just sad.
It might be the same guy, but it sure ain't the same style.
Style A looks like its rendered on an Amiga 500 in grayscale
Style B looks like a lame sin city film noir with a dash of JJ abrams stupiditiy.
Quick say some gak about disney which makes no logical sense whatsoever in regards to GW stretching out crumbs in the most pathetic manner which disney plus has neverdone, amirite?
*cough* It's locked on the warhammer plus website The fact that the "sizzle reel" is on youtube, just makes it even funnier.
The sizzle real is free on YT. You said it wasn't and you were wrong. Not a hard concept to grasp.
I said it was behind the paywall and on warhammer tv it is currently paywalled . Not a hard concept to grasp i
You know if you clickee it says you do not have permission to viewee lol
BertBert wrote: Just in case people missed it in the other thread:
Feel free to use my voucher code, I don't buy directly from GW:
Spoiler:
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Thank you for sharing it, but once entering it, GW says that there is a problem registering the voucher. Either it was already reclaimed or it can only can be reclaimed by German accounts, since it does not say "it has already be claimed". That or you put it wrong, but I doubt that.
Giving away voucher. It's dirt easy to get with that bigger discount than flgs can provide. I got 48% discount myself with voucher and for item flgs can't provide one to begin with.
Only reason you have no use for voucher is if you buy zero gw items. Is there even legit store giving 25% off? Let's say yes. Any item less than 40 pounds and voucher is bigger discount.
I got my $28AU voucher today, isn't the best but is good for free (and is better than usually get from GW).
For example, when they had that voucher deal recently and got a voucher for every xx amount spent, I went whole hog and bought the entire dark elf army I wanted for fantasy (because the models I wanted no local or online stocked, had to get all from GW). I spent maybe $1000AU or so and got a $98 voucher...
I could not get those models on sprue cheaper anywhere else (because my love is the building/conversion/painting), I had to buy from GW and got a voucher then (pitiful as was).
I spent the voucher on some other models I wanted that my online stores don't stock, that is the only time I will spend money on GW online (instead of the 20%-25% cheaper you will get from online stores). That and for pre-order cards etc like for Necromunda or boxes I want etc that are limited. I always get the pre-order cards or something that is limited from GW that I want, just in case.
The $28 voucher that has to be used in a month...idk what to spend on atm, I just hope the new Necomunda stuff comes out soon...
Spectral Ceramite wrote: The $28 voucher that has to be used in a month...idk what to spend on atm, I just hope the new Necomunda stuff comes out soon...
I got mine and foolishly redeemed it digitally, now sadly my intended choice (Deathwatch Kill Team box) is out of stock online...
Well I have the month for it to get in stock or for a preorder to pop up that interests me. Otherwise I am not sure what I am going to do with it.
Spectral Ceramite wrote: The $28 voucher that has to be used in a month...idk what to spend on atm, I just hope the new Necomunda stuff comes out soon...
I got mine and foolishly redeemed it digitally, now sadly my intended choice (Deathwatch Kill Team box) is out of stock online...
Well I have the month for it to get in stock or for a preorder to pop up that interests me. Otherwise I am not sure what I am going to do with it.
You didn't foolishly do anything, it has a time limit and says in the email, its not when apply.
I love the DW kill team veteran box, is my fav box. I have like 16k+ of DW firstborn (but that includes forgeworld vehicles etc but I hate magnetising individual guys, I love just to have what I want when want so have a massive core of vets with multiple combos).
The versatility of these guys is awesome and the choice of conversions is the best, I love this faction and have collected it for years.
From GW, to buy this box would cost me now $66AU, but from my main online retailer would cost me $55 (is one I choose over others cause is always reliable and has never failed me, though less discount). Granted I bought most of my stuff ages ago when cheaper (and multiple limited boxes like with harlies etc), was just a quick search.
So the voucher I would spend on other things cant get online from others.
I would wait, maybe something come out soon will want and get a free discount.
tneva82 wrote: Giving away voucher. It's dirt easy to get with that bigger discount than flgs can provide. I got 48% discount myself with voucher and for item flgs can't provide one to begin with.
Only reason you have no use for voucher is if you buy zero gw items. Is there even legit store giving 25% off? Let's say yes. Any item less than 40 pounds and voucher is bigger discount.
Shhh people can't hate them for their offensive pricing and lack of goodwill when you point out things like this, especially when orders £20 or more are free postage.
Spectral Ceramite wrote: The $28 voucher that has to be used in a month...idk what to spend on atm, I just hope the new Necomunda stuff comes out soon...
Well I have the month for it to get in stock or for a preorder to pop up that interests me. Otherwise I am not sure what I am going to do with it.
I hear you... I am hoping something comes within next month that is worth it... If it is just Orctober or some crap like that...sigh
tneva82 wrote: Giving away voucher. It's dirt easy to get with that bigger discount than flgs can provide. I got 48% discount myself with voucher and for item flgs can't provide one to begin with.
Only reason you have no use for voucher is if you buy zero gw items. Is there even legit store giving 25% off? Let's say yes. Any item less than 40 pounds and voucher is bigger discount.
It's not just about the discount, I'd also rather support local retailers who have provided great service over several years of patronship. They also ship much faster than GW, so I get whatever I ordered the next day / in two days max.
I'd also like to think I made one user a little happy with that gift, so it works out perfectly for me.
tneva82 wrote: Giving away voucher. It's dirt easy to get with that bigger discount than flgs can provide. I got 48% discount myself with voucher and for item flgs can't provide one to begin with.
Only reason you have no use for voucher is if you buy zero gw items. Is there even legit store giving 25% off? Let's say yes. Any item less than 40 pounds and voucher is bigger discount.
It's not just about the discount, I'd also rather support local retailers who have provided great service over several years of patronship. They also ship much faster than GW, so I get whatever I ordered the next day / in two days max.
I'd also like to think I made one user a little happy with that gift, so it works out perfectly for me.
This is very commendable and is a wonderful thing to do for a fellow community member. I just wish you'd framed this as "I'm doing something nice" rather than "I never buy from GW".
tneva82 wrote: Giving away voucher. It's dirt easy to get with that bigger discount than flgs can provide. I got 48% discount myself with voucher and for item flgs can't provide one to begin with.
Only reason you have no use for voucher is if you buy zero gw items. Is there even legit store giving 25% off? Let's say yes. Any item less than 40 pounds and voucher is bigger discount.
It's not just about the discount, I'd also rather support local retailers who have provided great service over several years of patronship. They also ship much faster than GW, so I get whatever I ordered the next day / in two days max.
I'd also like to think I made one user a little happy with that gift, so it works out perfectly for me.
This is very commendable and is a wonderful thing to do for a fellow community member. I just wish you'd framed this as "I'm doing something nice" rather than "I never buy from GW".
But not buying GW is a good thing for the overall community. The hobby would be much improved if everyone didn't buy from GW
tneva82 wrote: Giving away voucher. It's dirt easy to get with that bigger discount than flgs can provide. I got 48% discount myself with voucher and for item flgs can't provide one to begin with.
Only reason you have no use for voucher is if you buy zero gw items. Is there even legit store giving 25% off? Let's say yes. Any item less than 40 pounds and voucher is bigger discount.
It's not just about the discount, I'd also rather support local retailers who have provided great service over several years of patronship. They also ship much faster than GW, so I get whatever I ordered the next day / in two days max.
I'd also like to think I made one user a little happy with that gift, so it works out perfectly for me.
This is very commendable and is a wonderful thing to do for a fellow community member. I just wish you'd framed this as "I'm doing something nice" rather than "I never buy from GW".
But not buying GW is a good thing for the overall community. The hobby would be much improved if everyone didn't buy from GW
tneva82 wrote: Giving away voucher. It's dirt easy to get with that bigger discount than flgs can provide. I got 48% discount myself with voucher and for item flgs can't provide one to begin with.
Only reason you have no use for voucher is if you buy zero gw items. Is there even legit store giving 25% off? Let's say yes. Any item less than 40 pounds and voucher is bigger discount.
It's not just about the discount, I'd also rather support local retailers who have provided great service over several years of patronship. They also ship much faster than GW, so I get whatever I ordered the next day / in two days max.
I'd also like to think I made one user a little happy with that gift, so it works out perfectly for me.
This is very commendable and is a wonderful thing to do for a fellow community member. I just wish you'd framed this as "I'm doing something nice" rather than "I never buy from GW".
But not buying GW is a good thing for the overall community. The hobby would be much improved if everyone didn't buy from GW
If no one buys from gw, no 40k hobby.
Or GW is forced to make a change for the better for once in their existence.
tneva82 wrote: Giving away voucher. It's dirt easy to get with that bigger discount than flgs can provide. I got 48% discount myself with voucher and for item flgs can't provide one to begin with.
Only reason you have no use for voucher is if you buy zero gw items. Is there even legit store giving 25% off? Let's say yes. Any item less than 40 pounds and voucher is bigger discount.
It's not just about the discount, I'd also rather support local retailers who have provided great service over several years of patronship. They also ship much faster than GW, so I get whatever I ordered the next day / in two days max. I'd also like to think I made one user a little happy with that gift, so it works out perfectly for me.
This is very commendable and is a wonderful thing to do for a fellow community member. I just wish you'd framed this as "I'm doing something nice" rather than "I never buy from GW".
But not buying GW is a good thing for the overall community. The hobby would be much improved if everyone didn't buy from GW
If no one buys from gw, no 40k hobby.
Or GW is forced to make a change for the better for once in their existence.
Your rage boner for Games Workshop is something else man.
Anyways... Gonna give W+ a try. Does anyone know if it has download capability like D+ or Hulu? I have a rather large plane flight coming up with nothing to do during flight time. Wish I could get my hobby stuff past TSA.
someone is giving away a code he does not not need and gets framed because he is not buying stuff he does not need for 50% discount
If I don't need it, it does not matter if it is 10%, 50% or 100% off, I don't need it so better give it to someone else who might
this is perfectly fine and how things should be in the first place
You're on the internet, there's people who'll do their best to make any act of good look like the worst thing ever. Some people are just addicted to cynicism.
someone is giving away a code he does not not need and gets framed because he is not buying stuff he does not need for 50% discount
If I don't need it, it does not matter if it is 10%, 50% or 100% off, I don't need it so better give it to someone else who might
this is perfectly fine and how things should be in the first place
They never said they weren't going to buy anything or didn't need anything, their reason for giving it away was they didn't want to buy from GW direct.
I hasten to add again it's generous and nothing wrong with that, but there's just a slew of ways it can be presented which sound nicer and don't infer buying from GW is a bad thing to do.
But you don't know the reasons why they don't buy from GW direct, could be from something very simple as "they don't ship to my country for free or I need a credit card to pay which I don't have" to "I only buy from FLGS to support the place were I play my games"
there is nothing wrong with not buying from GW direct, specially if you don't need any of the GW-Shop exclusives
someone is giving away a code he does not not need and gets framed because he is not buying stuff he does not need for 50% discount
If I don't need it, it does not matter if it is 10%, 50% or 100% off, I don't need it so better give it to someone else who might
this is perfectly fine and how things should be in the first place
They never said they weren't going to buy anything or didn't need anything, their reason for giving it away was they didn't want to buy from GW direct.
I hasten to add again it's generous and nothing wrong with that, but there's just a slew of ways it can be presented which sound nicer and don't infer buying from GW is a bad thing to do.
But it wasn't. And I fail to see why that is a problem.
They never said they weren't going to buy anything or didn't need anything, their reason for giving it away was they didn't want to buy from GW direct.
There is literally nothing negative with not wanting to buy directly from GW. Even ignoring the obvious that corporations are not our friends, and having parasocial relationships where you care about their "health" is damaging the balance of customer-company, if you don't buy directly from GW, you're supporting your local gaming economy. If you buy GW from your LGS, gw still gets money, so the marine releases can continue forever, but you now have a store that you can meet people in or play at. Buying directly from GW is the worst way you can support your hobby.
edit to avoid online conniptions: I am not calling anyone immoral or bad for buying directly at GW. It's just not the best way to go about your hobby.
If I have literal free money for a shop and give it to you because I buy their products but refuse to buy it from their shop, that infers that its bad to buy from them directly and doing so isn't a good thing. If I give you the money because I'm too much of a good soul to buy from this place, I'm indirectly inferring that whoever does use it, is of lower moral standing than me.
It's not a difficult concept, I know that wasn't what was intended, I know BertBert had no ill-will and one hobbyist somewhere got a cheaper item. These are all good, so is supporting your local stores, all I'm saying is when you give literal free money to someone because buying from somewhere is against your moral code, the person who takes that free money is suggested to be of lower moral standing.
They never said they weren't going to buy anything or didn't need anything, their reason for giving it away was they didn't want to buy from GW direct.
There is literally nothing negative with not wanting to buy directly from GW. Even ignoring the obvious that corporations are not our friends, and having parasocial relationships where you care about their "health" is damaging the balance of customer-company, if you don't buy directly from GW, you're supporting your local gaming economy. If you buy GW from your LGS, gw still gets money, so the marine releases can continue forever, but you now have a store that you can meet people in or play at. Buying directly from GW is the worst way you can support your hobby.
edit to avoid online conniptions: I am not calling anyone immoral or bad for buying directly at GW. It's just not the best way to go about your hobby.
This, but it might not stop other people feeling bad for buying direct.
Dudeface wrote: If I have literal free money for a shop and give it to you because I buy their products but refuse to buy it from their shop, that infers that its bad to buy from them directly and doing so isn't a good thing. If I give you the money because I'm too much of a good soul to buy from this place, I'm indirectly inferring that whoever does use it, is of lower moral standing than me.
Are you implying it's not a bad thing to buy directly from GW? Because it kind of is.
Dudeface wrote: If I have literal free money for a shop and give it to you because I buy their products but refuse to buy it from their shop, that infers that its bad to buy from them directly and doing so isn't a good thing. If I give you the money because I'm too much of a good soul to buy from this place, I'm indirectly inferring that whoever does use it, is of lower moral standing than me.
Are you implying it's not a bad thing to buy directly from GW? Because it kind of is.
It's not a bad nor good thing in reality, if you have a local store you play at, go support them. If you mail order and only play with a friend, it doesn't matter too much really.
This, but it might not stop other people feeling bad for buying direct.
I don't know if feeling bad for consumptionism is something I care too much for. That's between you and your confessor.
Nah, I just spared a thought for some who don't have a flgs or don't know about 3rd party sites etc and buy direct feeling like dicks because other people tell them they're feeding the devil.
I personally don't care where people buy stuff and like people supporting local stores, I just wanted to make sure nobody was left feeling bad.
Dudeface wrote: If I have literal free money for a shop and give it to you because I buy their products but refuse to buy it from their shop, that infers that its bad to buy from them directly and doing so isn't a good thing
Not necessarily.
You can find most things GW sell at a 20% discount elsewhere on the internet. So a £10 voucher on something that costs £50 is at 20% discount. For anything over £50, if I can get 20% off I'm doing better with that than using a £10 voucher. You only come out ahead if the thing you want costs less than £50. And you want it this month. And it's in stock.
It's easy to envisage someone doesn't meet those requirements.
I guess technically you could buy this dice set - https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Citadel-Dice-Bone for £6.50 plus £3.50 postage and packing and therefore get it for completely free? Don't know if anyone has tried that.
Dudeface wrote: If I have literal free money for a shop and give it to you because I buy their products but refuse to buy it from their shop, that infers that its bad to buy from them directly and doing so isn't a good thing.
I would say that infers that they don't buy from the GW store. The reasons, if you imagine any, will usually say more about you than about them.
Just to clear things up a bit more, my initial statement was really just that: a statement of fact. I don't order directly from GW.
It was meant to explain why I have no use for the voucher, not to disparage people who do it differently. Everyone is of course welcome to order where they please, and I suspect that for some countries or more secluded areas there is likely no better alternative anyway. There will also be people who order from GW out of principle to support their favourite hobby company in the best way possible, which is also fine with me. I don't care either way and I certainly don't want to steer people towards one or the other. If anything, my giving away GW store credit is enabling the latter group of people.
I do acknowledge that my matter-of-fact explanation could be misconstrued, so I just want to make sure people understand what was actually meant.
Just to clear things up a bit more, my initial statement was really just that: a statement of fact. I don't order directly from GW.
It was meant to explain why I have no use for the voucher, not to disparage people who do it differently. Everyone is of course welcome to order where they please, and I suspect that for some countries or more secluded areas there is likely no better alternative anyway. There will also be people who order from GW out of principle to support their favourite hobby company in the best way possible, which is also fine with me. I don't care either way and I certainly don't want to steer people towards one or the other. If anything, my giving away GW store credit is enabling the latter group of people.
I do acknowledge that my matter-of-fact explanation could be misconstrued, so I just want to make sure people understand what was actually meant.
Any reasonable person reading your original post can understand this. Personally I think the best way to do it would have been to find a homeless guy, use your phone to record yourself giving him the voucher and then upload the video to Youtube, but the way you did it was completely acceptable and needs no explanation.
Just to clear things up a bit more, my initial statement was really just that: a statement of fact. I don't order directly from GW.
It was meant to explain why I have no use for the voucher, not to disparage people who do it differently. Everyone is of course welcome to order where they please, and I suspect that for some countries or more secluded areas there is likely no better alternative anyway. There will also be people who order from GW out of principle to support their favourite hobby company in the best way possible, which is also fine with me. I don't care either way and I certainly don't want to steer people towards one or the other. If anything, my giving away GW store credit is enabling the latter group of people.
I do acknowledge that my matter-of-fact explanation could be misconstrued, so I just want to make sure people understand what was actually meant.
I understood, I just saw an angle where someone was maybe feeling like they shouldn't have used a voucher or should feel bad for ordering direct, not through your own intent, just as a passive side effect.
Again, much praise for supporting your locals and helping someone else.
Yeah this is something the company I work for does as well with our subscription service. If a trial requires a customer to put in their CC creds, you'll retain the majority of them as paying customers simply because they won't remember to cancel.
Yep, Amazon and others often do the same thing. Though sometimes people don't notice that they do it. For example many people already have card data stored on somewhere like Amazon. So when you get your "free, opt out at end, trial" of something like Amazon Prime you don't have to think to opt out and you don't have to "worry" about giving them any more data.
Or you know, a promotion. What a weird hate boner you have.
GW almost never does promotions tho.
They had a promotion at the start and they're literally having a sale right now for Warhammer Day. It doesn't take a lot of mental gymnastics to realise you do promotions to tie in with events.
Sure, but also, WH+ is basically the ONLY thing they had a promotion on in forever, and the warhammer day discounts are also the first time in I think literal two decades they did that (not counting christmas bundles, it's definitely not christmas yet) It's easy to see how running two promos on a product when they used to have no promos never policy can be construed as trying to get more customers for the product.
But of course they are trying to get more customers. Everything GW does is to try to get people to buy their stuff. That was never disputed?
They're not advertised as a "promotion" or "discount", they're just "best way to start OMG!!!".
And yes, obviously GW, like any company, wants people to spend all of their money with them if possible, but they very, VERY rarely do so via discounts at all. Especially not discounts of brand-new products.
I am not saying it IS desperation or anything like that, but to an outside observer it may look like it based on GW's previous behavior.
What about promos like:
The Sgt figure when you spend XXX you get him free.
Get a subscription to White Dwarf and get a free exclusive miniature.
Buy XXX get free delivery.
Buy XXX get a store credit.
They do plenty of promotions.
The fact they never did promotions on Warhammer + is because it’s new.... oh wait...the promoted it’s start up with get a free miniature if you stay with us for a year, plus a gift certificate and a couple months free on top of that.
No, you're right, they do count as promotions.I retract my statement.
I could argue that offering things for free (technically, even if it does require putting payment information into an app) is nowhere near the same as offering things when you buy enough things to quality, but it's halloween, I got goats to sacrifice and satan to summon, so sure, Warhammer Plus is a booming product and this promotion is in no way tied to lackluster performance of said product, just like having discount on Dominion box yesterday was in no way tied to the fact they still haven't sold out of it, four months after launch. Just happy little coincidences.
Actually considering the nature of Warhammer+ I could well see that they pre-planned multiple discounts and promotions. These might not be reactionary but proactive measures taken to push sales of it.
Don't forget GW typically doesn't have to do sales because their products don't devalue and have a long shelf life in terms of how long the product itself can last, and in how long it can viably sell for.
These aren't DVDs or Music that cycle super fast on the shelves and devalue to half their value sometimes in under half a year etc...
So GW typically isn't under pressure to devalue and sell their own products. They tend to only do it when they want to shift excess stock which is more about clearing warehouse space for other products than anything else.
Warhammer+ doesn't devalue either, but at the same time its clear that they know if they can secure enough people on it it will self-sustain itself very well in the long run. Granted they have not done any favours by having lacklustre apps for the army building and such. So there is an element of "released before it was baked" or "underfunded departments" or "under skilled departments" here and there within the service.
Heck vouchers were mentioned as a Warhammer+ bonus/subscriber feature in the early marketing anyway.
Don't forget GW typically doesn't have to do sales because their products don't devalue and have a long shelf life in terms of how long the product itself can last, and in how long it can viably sell for.
These aren't DVDs or Music that cycle super fast on the shelves and devalue to half their value sometimes in under half a year etc...
So GW typically isn't under pressure to devalue and sell their own products. They tend to only do it when they want to shift excess stock which is more about clearing warehouse space for other products than anything else.
GW is not doing it and sell stuff for full price to the last hour, but it devalues vary fast compared to the past with some products having a shelf life of less than 6 moths
this usually only affects independent stores and not GW itself, but the "new" books, boxes are often not even selling for discount with the books being replaced, the units nerfed or the game being replaced by something new
with WH+ they doing something normal for the market but something unusual for GW
oni wrote: HAHAHA... Figures. I placed an order yesterday.
Sort of same. I placed an order on Saturday... and the largest error on my part - about 30 minutes before the pre-orders went up for sale in my region. So nope, didn't pre-order any of the things I wanted, and also didn't get this promotion
If I had pre-ordered Kill Team on Saturday and perhaps taken an interest in one of those discounted boxes, I might be irritated now. I guess from now on if this sort of thing interests you, you have to pay attention to the calendar, not pull the trigger on orders close to the end of the month and just wait if they run a promotion at the beginning of the next one.
Luckily this is a typical GW affair that is only useful under highly specific circumstances and you'll likely get a better and more straightforward deal from an independent store selling at a discount, so typically nothing's lost if you miss out on the promotion.
It’s a few hoops to jump through for a 10% discount.
But it also lets you take advantage of all the “only from the us” offers that GW runs. Art cards, knick knacks, etc. Which (unless you care a lot about those sort of things) are not worth giving up the discount you can get elsewhere. Or items that normally are not stocked at the online sellers/FLGS. So this lets you have you cake and eat it.
It’s a nice little perk. I probably won’t take advantage of it, but who knows. Others might get some milage out of it, so good for them.
Any step towards sales and discounts from GW is a good one.
AOS players in particular like these as plenty of armies there are the no-flgs discount category.
If I had cash might be tempted to go for say bloodcrushers now and then with discount maybe COS battle mage box. Would find use for those and no FLGS discount.
Also minimum purchase is bit steep for my hobby budget atm :-/
it's a discount on future order, so you have to buy full price now and then again in December with a 10% discount...but not off the whole order, only 10% of current order.
So spending 100 pounds now, you will get 10 pounds off the december order, instead of 10% off december order- you could spend 300 pounds and still get only 10 pounds off (if I understood correctly)
Depends on where you live, I guess. I wouldn't expect to get much more around here, so 10% sounds okay to me. It just doesn't compare to a straight discount from an independent retailer.
For GW's promotion you have a pretty high minimum spend this month and a required additional purchase the following month, though at least in the latter case you may only pick up something close to your voucher value. It's also a Warhammer+ perk, so if you are interested, you have to add the cost of at least two monthly subscriptions to it. It's GW making you jump through hoops to ensure they benefit from multiple purchases directly from them for the added profit over selling the same items through 3rd parties.
As has been pointed out, under certain conditions it's a reasonable offer. But it's very limited and less easy to benefit from compared to a general discount on GW stuff from independent stores.
Essentially, your next-month purchase has to be smaller than this month's to get 10% off, and the smaller the December order, the more you save on it. The larger your order, the smaller the saving. Which is...uh...an interesting choice.
Is there a certain time that the weekly uploads are switched active on WH+? Because it's Wednesday and yet nothing new. Wild theory: The intern that has to upload everything manually is on vacation for 2 weeks so there will be no uploads today and next week. Hence the free 2 weeks voucher.
GiToRaZor wrote: Is there a certain time that the weekly uploads are switched active on WH+? Because it's Wednesday and yet nothing new. Wild theory: The intern that has to upload everything manually is on vacation for 2 weeks so there will be no uploads today and next week. Hence the free 2 weeks voucher.
It's normally some point after lunchtime - I haven't been keeping that close an eye on it.
We should be getting the next episode of Angels of Death today:
So let's see. They give out 2 free week. Then after giving it they announce contents coming wednesday. Then contents not coming and that's the reason for 2 weeks...
For conspiracy theories that's some convoluted one.
I love how the Ad-Mech keeps ending things with either hints of super foresight or threat. You can almost sense that behind the metal and mask is a rather sarcastic original human mind. Or one driven to it through being the only survivor on the planet (or at least the only one in that area who is alive; one would assume there might be other small pockets of resistance or survival)
Am I right in thinking WH+ has reduced the frequency of their painting tutorials to every other week? Seems that way. I suppose they could only keep up the punishing pace of one video per week for so long I think I'd actually be quite annoyed if I had paid for a full sub only to realise this is the state of that particular part of the service after such a short period (it being the only thing that looked remotely appealing to me).
