BLACKHAND wrote:Thats been the worry I think since Ice Angel mentioned it, impaled Nids or a Necron being ground under a tank tread ( A la' Terminator) would be fine but another Marine might not sit as well especially as at that point in the Badab war the Claws still thought of themselves as "good" or at least "not chaos"...still its Ice Angels models at the end of the day
Blackhand you hit it right on the head. I think I should step back here a minute and further explain my take on the Astral Claws. I am painting my Astral Claws like the way they were originally printed WAY back in the day, when Astral Claws and Tiger Claws were basically the same thing. As for my modeling and overall theme, I wanted them to be in the time line when the reality of the situation began to sink in, so when the Astral Claws first walk upon a battlefield strewn the dead marines that they had killed, when my marine is looking down at the exorcists shoulder pad he is thinking what have i done? That's what I am ultimately going for, my Astral Claws believe in what they are doing is right, but that feeling hasn't been replaced by hatred which I think eventually turns them to chaos. So if I had a marine on the front of a rhino it wouldn't be as a trophy, however I don't think I have the modeling capabilities to convey that message, so instead I will leave my tanks as be and let my marines really tell the story.
You could use one of the GW's Space marine casualties, and use the one that looks like it is crawling away with his sidearm pointed, put the vehicle on a base with it, and make it look like he is at his last stand, trying to avoid his inevitable death, that way you have the idea of both sides fighting for what they think is "good".
SO, I have built the last few models in my army, cleaned, and primed them. All except my commander. I have all of my bits for my commander but I have been thinking, what should I do with his base? Have him standing on a marine? Have some rubbly bits nearby? Discarded weapons? Have him standing on a piece of a tank? What are your thoughts?
I would do something very different with him than the other mariens, so i wouldn't go down the route of dead marine on his base. My first concept is to have him ontop of a ruined imperial statue. That would be interesting and keep with your theme but make him very different from the other marines.
IceAngel wrote:I am not using Huron, I'm using his second in command. Corien Sumatris.
When you play him, let me know how he does. I'd like to add him to my Red Corsairs
"Corien Sumatris was believed to have been killed in action... although his body was never conclusively identified..."
I've already played with him several times and I've had great success with him, I think what I like about him the most is his ability to give all of his allies furious charge and +1 WS, very handy especially when I know I'll be fighting plenty of other marines.
Sageheart wrote:I would do something very different with him than the other mariens, so i wouldn't go down the route of dead marine on his base. My first concept is to have him ontop of a ruined imperial statue. That would be interesting and keep with your theme but make him very different from the other marines.
You know Sage, I think you're right. I do have the GW rubble pack, maybe I can get some inspiration from that.
monkeytroll wrote:I like BH's suggestion of a cyber-tiger. But then again I would
Yeah the cyber tiger is a cool idea, but I am not sure how I'd pull that off nor do I think it would fit into the fluff. Cool idea though.
For those without IA9, Corien Sumatris is Huron's second in command and a weapons master, WS 7 even! There is even a *hint* in the fluff that Corien may have even been the chapter master of the Tiger Claws, before they were absorbed back into the Astral Claws. At any rate he is neat and only 165 points!
Quick question, for those with IA10, what does it say about the Executioners?
power armor, storm shield, goldenfang (master crafted power sword, +2 attacks when charges) digi weapons, grenades, spectre pattern bolter (R-12, str 4, Ap 5, assault 2). the bolter is actually attached to his backpack, so he can use without holding it, I created this by taking a devastator signum and attaching a bolter to it with a side clip and a scope. Simple, but looks good.
I'm assuming you want to keep it on a 25mm? I seem to recall on a different thread that you are allowed to increase the base size of any model which is why I ask? If it#s on a 25mm then I would possibly ass a marine back pack on the ground or a rhino hatch or something. It wouldn't take up too much room but would allow you to add the colour you particularly want. Could well be too simple for your force commander but it's always so hard on a 25mm base.
power armor, storm shield, goldenfang (master crafted power sword, +2 attacks when charges) digi weapons, grenades, spectre pattern bolter (R-12, str 4, Ap 5, assault 2). the bolter is actually attached to his backpack, so he can use without holding it, I created this by taking a devastator signum and attaching a bolter to it with a side clip and a scope. Simple, but looks good.
Gitsplitta to answer your question, he doesn't have any effect on the army, but all units in his force within 12 inches get +1 WS, which can be handy. Which would also work on coalition members for Adepticon. Do you think I should paint my commander the same as everyone else or like my tanks, black with orange stripes? That would certainly make him stand out a bit.
So today I've been doing a little bit of painting, I completed one guy and worked on some backpacks, and as I stared at my last three marines, I realized that I wasn't able to get through my list. To revisit,
Fire Hawks - helmet
Marines Errant -
Red Scorpions - shoulder pad
Minotaurs -
Novamarines -
Howling Griffons -
Star Phantoms - banner
Exorcists - done - shoulder pad
Fire Angels -
Salamanders -
Space Sharks - torso
Sons of Medusa - belt pouches
Raptor Legion - helmet
Now, on my last three marines, one has the raptor legion helmet, one has the exorcist shoulder pad, the other has another dead marine torso that I haven't started to paint yet. Any one have a preference?
On a side note, I've been collecting random bits to put on the display base, I was looking through my old models to see what I could cannibalize. 2nd edition land speeder is on the top of that list!
IceAngel wrote:Gitsplitta to answer your question, he doesn't have any effect on the army, but all units in his force within 12 inches get +1 WS, which can be handy. Which would also work on coalition members for Adepticon. Do you think I should paint my commander the same as everyone else or like my tanks, black with orange stripes? That would certainly make him stand out a bit.
Good question. I guess it would mainly matter if you felt that you'd lose track of him or if the figure itself wasn't different or unique enough that your opponents could recognize it.
IceAngel wrote:Gitsplitta to answer your question, he doesn't have any effect on the army, but all units in his force within 12 inches get +1 WS, which can be handy. Which would also work on coalition members for Adepticon. Do you think I should paint my commander the same as everyone else or like my tanks, black with orange stripes? That would certainly make him stand out a bit.
Good question. I guess it would mainly matter if you felt that you'd lose track of him or if the figure itself wasn't different or unique enough that your opponents could recognize it.
Sorry if I (again) seem focussed (to say the least), but reverse camo would be awesome...
(I think I'm going to start a thread where I count all the happenstances I've asked for such a thing... Talk about OCD lol!!)
IMHO black with the orange stripes sounds great for command element troops, such as commanders, and command squads, so that way they are distinguishable from the regular joes.
Just to play devils advocate, if you make your important folks in reverse camo, and you give them, lets say a rhino, wont it look like all the other ones?
IMO, if you decide to use the reverse camo for important stuff, similar to gits usage of the Tranq Pattern, wouldn't you have to either assign the rhino you've already done in reverse to said important folks, or have to repaint it to normal colors?
hmmmm, very good point WM. I do want to paint him differently but maybe not the reverse camo scheme. Possibly more stripes, or larger stripes, or a different color?
So, after a weekend of painting I thought I would post some pictures, because lets be honest. We all enjoy pictures of men................. um, space men at least.
Tactical Squad
Vanguard Squad
Rhino
Tactical Squad
AND MORE MEN! Executioners!
You can see he still has some basing to do, but he is really close to being completed, only his commander, scouts, 5 random guys, and a land speeder to do. Pretty sweet! I think the axes on the assault guys are looking cool too, very mean without being to chaosy.
Per request a picture of everything so far and then a lovely picture of the Executioner combat squad leader that I thoroughly enjoy. Why, you may ask? It's because he is point up, no one ever makes a guy pointing up. It's always down or across the battlefield, but NO not this guy. He is saying, "See that! Shoot that *&^% down!" THAT is going to be important because I can already tell you that in the near future there will be a picture of THIS guy pointing at a Stormraven or a Valkyrie or some flying thing and then you all will be like, wow that's cool.
To also follow up on someones message, the Vanguard are going to come storming out of the raider with my commander, as I write this message I realize that if I could shave some points else where I could probably get some termies instead........... PLAY TEST NEEDED!
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Well here is a very WIP picture of my land raider. I still have a lot of weathering and highlighting and extra bits to paint.
Yggdrasil wrote:That camo on the Executioners is really nice...
Group shot is pretty impressive too!!
As for the Vanguard... Y'a know, Termies aren't so heroic...
Yggs you may be correct but Vanguard arn't heroic at all if they don't have jump packs, so this weekend I have a couple of games planned. Termies will be used and I'll decide after that but I am already leaning that direction. Unfortunantly that would mean not using 5 marines that I've already completed BUT that would mean painting new terminators which I do enjoy. They also have larger bases so I have plenty of opportunity to represent more dead people!
More dead people on termies sounds awesome! def if you can get every chapter in their!
maybe have a termie holding a dead marine he has slain (or half of one..) and commenting on it, like your other marine holding a fallen brother's helmet. You could have the helmet off and try to find a head that could fit that "what have I done look" it may not seem very battle worthy, but it would be a very cool model!
I hope you havn't started your commander yet, I had an Idea! Thinking a bunch about what you said a while back, with them starting to come to the realization of 'what have we done?' and I started to think of something like this:
In fact, that whole song, is just what I would be imagining would be going through his head... and the posses when he's sitting at the beginging.. the whole 'Alas poor Yorrick, I knew him well' kinda pose... That's kind what I was envisioning...
That is a good idea. I havn't started my commander yet, I plan on doing him last but I like that idea a lot. I am a little concerned about trying to fit all of that on such a small base but i'll cross that bridge when i get there. My commander also has a lot going on, with his gigantic sword, shield, and nifty backpack. I may have to do some tests before I build him to get some feedback.
In other news, I have my game tomorrow which I am super excited about. I get to beat up on some new people as well, always fun. ALSO, theres an apocalypse game coming up in a few weeks that I won't be playing my Astral Claws in but I will be bringing my Ice Angels and I'm thinking about unleashing my jump pack death company, all 34 of them along with their chaplain handlers of course. I am already getting giddy.
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This is my first attempt at doing some subtle glowing effects, after staring at some pictures in Yggs gallery I figured I better have give it a shot. This is for Adepticon any ways, I better learn something new for this. Feedback please!
Today I had an excellent battle with my buddies the Executioners. We played against a demon / chaos marine army. We used one of the Adepticon army primer missions. The mission had three parts, 1st control table quarters, 2nd annihilate most expensive enemy unit, 3rd kill everything else. Simple enough!
I do have to apologize for the pictures my camera died so I had to use my phone, but as you can see we have one picture of what my landraider was staring at and the other picture is what quickly surrounded my combat unit.
Overall results, utter annihilation! The game went very well for us both strategically and in dice rolls. More importantly, I am most definitely switching out vanguard for terminators, hopefully I'll have some to work on in the next week or so.
In P&M news, I've started to do some more weathering and am hoping to finish the raider up by tomorrow. More pics will soon follow!
Since this is all part of the same project, I thought I'd post my compendium/Badab War era squad. Group shot of my Tranquility Sniper unit (Sternguard) as outfitted for play.
Oh, and Ice... exactly who got wiped out... you guys or them?
Gitsplitta wrote:Since this is all part of the same project, I thought I'd post my compendium/Badab War era squad. Group shot of my Tranquility Sniper unit (Sternguard) with my Pedro Kantor counts-as commander. Only 5 of the sternguard will be in this configuration of the army but I will be doing several more over time.
Oh, and Ice... exactly who got wiped out... you guys or them?
At the end of turn 6 the only thing they had left on the board was an immobilized weaponless dreadnought. I had lost one combat squad and 4 terminators.
I don't have any pictures to add today but I did pick up and build my terminator unit. I also finally put together my commander. I attempted on several occasions to have a cool pose like some of the ones mentioned by joshoftheforest, but I could not get it to work without looking a bit odd. If this had been a regular tactical marine I may have left him but due to the fact its my commander and focal point of the army I decided to have him standing on the remains of a tank (which will be sons of medusa, thank you Grey_death!) in a menacing pose. With my current painting plan I know I'll be working on him for some time so at this point I just want to have him put together.
Adepticon is 33 days away and there is still MUCH to do.
I'm 90% done with my 10 man assualt squad. Still need the jumppacks on the last 4 (they are 80% painted - all the checks take time) and Basing. That leave me with only 2 figures left and then my Heavys. I'M so hoping to get the packs finished tonight.
ICE - Ironically, I plan to use the FW Red Scorpion Libby for my HQ. I'd was hoping that the head was seperated but not to be. I would like to use a different head but it's a complex sawing procedure, I'm not sure I can pull it off and save the head ( I'm no WM of Git when it come to conversions). I'll also give him the Sanguior (sp) wings and jumppack.
For the ravens I plan to " Herarldic" out as much as I can. I may try a bit of Gits battle damage techniques. Starting to magnitize the weapons and weapon load outs. I have a few old world tricks I'm planning to spring. Hope not to disapoint.
I really need to get the assualt squad based including 1/2 half of them off the ground.
GIT - Thanks, watching you paint your sternguard has been helpful.
VITRUVIAN - I used foundation Idyiadian sun (SP) 1 watered down golden yellow. Sepia wash- heavy followed by 2 to 3 more Golden yellow, finished with sunburst yellow for highlights. Very much like GITs formula ( which I re-applied. Black areas & Lines with a fine brush , ( really happy about finally doing a decent job of defing all the finger joints.
Solar_lion wrote:ICE - Ironically, I plan to use the FW Red Scorpion Libby for my HQ. I'd was hoping that the head was seperated but not to be. I would like to use a different head but it's a complex sawing procedure, I'm not sure I can pull it off and save the head ( I'm no WM of Git when it come to conversions). I'll also give him the Sanguior (sp) wings and jumppack.
Question! You're using the rules for Mephiston right? He doesn't have a jump pack, I'd save the time and give him a regular back pack without the sanguinor wings. Thats another reason why Mephiston is so awesome. Unlike new 40k special characters, Mephiston is an upper class kind of guy.
Is he huge and ridiculous? No.
Does he have obnoxious wings? Certainly not!
Does he have a gawdy weapon? Nope, he wields a lame plasma pistol that he never fires. It's probably dusty!
Mephiston just psychically flies around quietly murdering everything on the field of battle, listening to his iEmperorpod, drinking his enemies blood out of boredom.
I say you use the sweet Forgeworld model, put a lame plasma pistol on the ground and have him tiping back a nice bowl of Astartes Blood!
Even better have him standing on the chest of a headless minotaur, drinking the blood out of the Minotaurs helmet!
@WM & BH - Right, that two less friends on the Christmas card list. I love the Mephiston model, though maybe that's nostalgia. I see your point about the collar, but come on he's a classic.
Remember he's not Mephiston. He's the Lamenters version of Mephiston. The Wings represent the WoS psychic power. I wanted to do something not recognizable as Mephiston. I have the original model but as my special character I wanted to do something more unique. WM is right I should leave off the Jetpack. Thanks.
More planning to do. More painting to do.
Finished my Assault squad. There is about 10 touch ups items/ do better items I'd like to get to, but unless I move on I will not be able to get what I need done. ~sigh~
Lennysmash wrote:@WM & BH - Right, that two less friends on the Christmas card list. I love the Mephiston model, though maybe that's nostalgia. I see your point about the collar, but come on he's a classic.
I could live with the model, but I just hate hate hate the plasma pistol arm. You cant even hold your arms like that in not-power armor, hows he pulling it off? Dumb.
Old=/=Classic
Looks good SL, and I can totally see the point of wings, just not the Jump Pack. Better hurry up though, your running out of time!
I just realized that over half of my assault squads are left handed. How unnatural - No wonder they had to go on a hundred year crusade. Ice; sorry for using up your blog space.
I havent been caught up on your thread, because I dont necessarily feel like reading 13 pages of post. But somewhere between my first reply when you were in the fundamental stages of your ice angels, your space marine project took a significant turn....because now all I see are Cincinnati Bengals Marines! What happened? Cant say that I dislike it though. It is rare to see anyone paint their SM orange. The bengal stripes look fantastic...a nice improvement over the ice angels. Great work!
Element206 wrote:I havent been caught up on your thread, because I dont necessarily feel like reading 13 pages of post. But somewhere between my first reply when you were in the fundamental stages of your ice angels, your space marine project took a significant turn....because now all I see are Cincinnati Bengals Marines! What happened? Cant say that I dislike it though. It is rare to see anyone paint their SM orange. The bengal stripes look fantastic...a nice improvement over the ice angels. Great work!
You should check out all 13 pages, lots of good pictures. But to get you up to speed, the striped marines are my old version of the Astral Claws which I'm creating for Adepticon. The Ice Angels will be back afterwards, they are still my main army. The plan is to basically repaint the Ice Angels, more like this......
but that won't happen until after Adepticon. I am actually looking forward to taking all of my new skills back towards my own army. I've got a lot of barrels to drill and a lot of painting to clean up. I feel that this little 1,000 Adepticon army has really raised my own painting level so hopefully when I get back to my Angels they'll actually start to look good!
They do look good. And practice makes ( close to ) perfect. I have a whole army of figures painted 15 years ago to remind me where I left off.
Keep up the good work.
Am I going to have to send my Ice Angel to you for refitting I am looking forward to seeing you apply what you have learned from the Claws and the GMS trades to the Ice Angels.
whalemusic360 wrote:Am I going to have to send my Ice Angel to you for refitting I am looking forward to seeing you apply what you have learned from the Claws and the GMS trades to the Ice Angels.
I have no problem doing some refitting, but we can cross that bridge later because now it is time for an update!
These two pics are of my terminators and the mostly completed commander I've built. He has a shield but that will be attached later. If you look carefully at the picture with the two termies and my commander you may see pieces of the same door, they will all be painted Sons of Medusa style to really stand out. On the other bases I've added another banner and a hand coming out of the ground attempting to grasp a discarded bolter. After doing the star phantom banner, which can be easily seen under my lascannon marine, I've really liked the idea. I am thinking something a bit obnoxious as well, possibly Howling Griffin banner.
Here is another updated picture of my land raider, I've started to paint it dirty and worn along with the recently added top hatches. It's coming along nicely. Only a few minor things to work on before I can check that off my list.
Awesome! From what i can see of the commander, he looks boss
Cant help but feel the claws on the LR icon should be picked out in bone, to stop it looking like an imperial fist icon. The sharp ends of the fingers get lost a bit atm.
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:may i ask why you're using the tiger claws color scheme instead of the astral claws one? it's been bothering me for awhile so i thought i ask
I am going for the original version of the Astral Claws, not the new one. Here is the first Astral Claw image from the old white dwarf.
The second is an image used by, I think it was the Belloflostsoul guys, which I took the iconography from. I knew I wasn't going to be able to paint on a lions head on my guys shoulder pads, lol. My marines ended up being a cross between the two.
Nice LR Ice! But I am in agreement with Vitruvian, picking out the claws will make it look a lot less Imperial-Fist-like.
I'm also loving the shoulder mounted bolter your commander has. May I ask what head you're using for him? Looks like a medieval knight's helmet, similar to William Thatcher's in A Knight's Tale, if you know the film. (Heath Ledger at his most awesome, the Joker aside ofc)
Vitruvian XVII wrote:Awesome! From what i can see of the commander, he looks boss
Cant help but feel the claws on the LR icon should be picked out in bone, to stop it looking like an imperial fist icon. The sharp ends of the fingers get lost a bit atm.
Hmm I see what you're saying and I agree, however all of the hands and symbols in my army are in black, so I may just try to highlight the black more, or darken the surrounding symbol to further draw your attention to the claw. Thoughts?
Sandyman11 wrote:Nice LR Ice! But I am in agreement with Vitruvian, picking out the claws will make it look a lot less Imperial-Fist-like.
I'm also loving the shoulder mounted bolter your commander has. May I ask what head you're using for him? Looks like a medieval knight's helmet, similar to William Thatcher's in A Knight's Tale, if you know the film. (Heath Ledger at his most awesome, the Joker aside ofc)
Sandyman11 - The helmet is from Chapterhouse. Corien apparently has a techpriest hook up because they built him the custom backpack, special sword, and other things so i figured he probably wouldn't have a standard helm and that one is by far my favorite Chapterhouse helm.
Vitruvian XVII wrote:Well, i think youve got two chouces:
Paint the claws black and the hand a bit lighter
Paint the claws bone or simply light grey
I'll mess around with it this weekend and let you know!
On a slight side note, does any one else find it incredibly amusing that the raffle army for the Susan G. Komen for the Cure at Adepticon is a death guard army. I hope that was on purpose because that is fantastic. "Lets beat cancer by giving away an army dedicated to the lords of disease and decay!" lol, that's awesome.
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:may i ask why you're using the tiger claws color scheme instead of the astral claws one? it's been bothering me for awhile so i thought i ask
The Astral Claws are the Tiger Claws in the original version of the Badab War fluff. Its only in the recent addition of the fluff that the two have become distinct chapters. The Tiger claws are now considered to be a successor to the Astral claws.
IceAngel wrote:
On a slight side note, does any one else find it incredibly amusing that the raffle army for the Susan G. Komen for the Cure at Adepticon is a death guard army. I hope that was on purpose because that is fantastic. "Lets beat cancer by giving away an army dedicated to the lords of disease and decay!" lol, that's awesome.
I did find that ironic. Bummed you have to be there, I would have bought a few tickets.
The inside of my storm raven(s) is painted military grey. The color most commonly is seen on naval vessels. I wanted to go for more specific details on the control panels and less overall decorated space. The inside looks more like you see in modern naval ships. Since the space looks too new and clean I wanted to add some wash(s) to it to give it more depth and used look.
Blue would look more metalic, black would look oily. I was hoping to reapply others tried and true methods.
I didn't get nearly as much done as I would have liked this weekend, BUT I did finish up my razorback and fiddled with the land raider, more importantly I started on my terminators. Out of all of the pictures I took, this was the only one that came out remotely worth posting, I do apologize, but he is coming along nicely. I've got four of them oranged, which seems to be a big mental hurdle for me, the guy above also has stripes and eyes. I only have to do his weapons and base. I am a bit unsure on how I should do the hammer head. I don't think I should paint the hammer head blue, but at the same time I am not sure how gray would turn out. Thoughts?
You already have blue with the Purity seal and It looks fine. Youcould try a green version. I've always thought about going with red on my chapter.
My 2 cents.
Here is some update on my Lamenters SR. I not happy with the paint coverage. I need to airbrush or get better at prepping the model. Learned alot about what to do or not do on this one.
You should wet blend the hammer using MNN techniques. There are some really good instructional videos out there that talk about how to do it that are really startling. Since it's a very limited surface, it might be worth your effort (and the instructional vid I'm thinking of was of the technique ON a hammer of that sort).
He looks great Ice, wish I were having as much success...
Thanks, the picture looks better than they are. ( how oftern do you get to say that?) The checks do get easier once you get used to doing them. The wings were done with a ruler, but the leg mounts are free hand ( first with a pencil ).
If you do a SR. really examine what part goes where. It is easy to paint over places that you will need to glue something else to. This assumes that you are building it in pieces. like me ( for which somethihngs you will have to do - Interior or Cockpit ). Since I'm running out of time I need to use this one. However I think I can do better so I may find other uses for this one when it's over.
I don't know if it's the same for the Storm Raven, but I've decided that pods should be painted first, then assembled. It took me a whole (late) night just to mask off the yellow sections of the veins on one pod. It would be one heck-of-a lot easier and faster if I could paint each major section without worrying about over-spray onto everything else.
Gitsplitta wrote:Nice work SL... completely mental... but nice!
I think the word you meant to use was An*l.
Coming from the man who painted super cool camo on his Marines and dreads. but after seeing my original chapter LR you can't be suprised.
Thanks. I can't wait to be able to Airbrush.
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Gitsplitta wrote:I don't know if it's the same for the Storm Raven, but I've decided that pods should be painted first, then assembled. It took me a whole (late) night just to mask off the yellow sections of the veins on one pod. It would be one heck-of-a lot easier and faster if I could paint each major section without worrying about over-spray onto everything else.
The prospect of handling the whole model to detail it is unrealistic. I tried to do sections. Where I ran into trouble was I didn't spend enough time examining and masking off the non painted areas. I had to do alot of scrapping paint off some sections in order to get the glue to stick. Additionally my main paint coverage was not as clean as I hoped ( rushed ) I might do the exterior differently once I'm proficent ( sound of laughing in the distance ) at using the airbrush.
No, I think with all those checkerboard patterns... "mental" was the correct choice of words.
It'll take some getting used to when you get your brush... find something you can practice on, get in primed and ready. Ad get some decent airbrush paints! Have you lady stop by the university art supply store, I'm sure they have some kind of acrylic made for airbrushes that you can practice with.
If all else fails, when you come down here for the tournament the FLGS has a good supply of Vallejo air paints... that will give you something to work with until you get your custom mixing straightened out.
Gitsplitta wrote:You should wet blend the hammer using MNN techniques. There are some really good instructional videos out there that talk about how to do it that are really startling. Since it's a very limited surface, it might be worth your effort (and the instructional vid I'm thinking of was of the technique ON a hammer of that sort).
He looks great Ice, wish I were having as much success...
So where did you find this video that you speak of? What does MNN stand for again?
Here are my first attempts at the NMM technique. I really like the finished product and I'm sure it will look fantastic once I figure out how to blend it better. I've only got three more surfaces to paint on that hammer.
You can also see my first attempts at painting Sons of Medusa green. Turned out well but there are a lot of layers in there, I can see why gray_death sprays that green.
So far my day has been terrible and I feel like a squigoth sat on my face. In order to make myself feel some what better I decided to take my mind off life and paint more minis! As you can see I've made some progress with a couple more guys.
Absolutely beautiful Ice! And here I had thought I was the only person who made orange a main color of his marines! How do you paint it again?
They look great, especially with the tiger stripes. I really do like how you kept the stripes only to the Termi;s shoulderpad. Really good visual balance imo.
The tank with the stripes, I dunno how I quite feel, though the attempt is certainly admirable!
Keep it up! Youre almost there!
oh and Gits- Youre never gettin away from painting. Youre stuck with us for life
So I skimmed through this thread while writing a paper last night. Appreciated the distraction greatly. : ) I like you work Ice, I was looking at some of it earlier... on the great marine swap I think? Good stuff, I'll definitely be keeping tabs on this thread.
Gitsplitta wrote:Hey SL, you have your quote ending in the wrong place... move it to just behind my "odds & ends" statement.
Love your work, just packed up your paints & will have them on their way. Man that's a pretty looking batch of figures.
Thanks, thou honestly I'm not happy with the SR. I purchased another (which I will do after AC), I dislike the non-conformity of the base color. There are several flaws in the model. Also no easy way to magnitize the weapons. Several of the hinge peices broke easily and had to be drilled and pinned.
After AC I might turn this one into terrain.
Thanks for the paint. My Airbrush should be up and running by the time they arrive.
Solar I think the raven looks cool and I can't wait to see it in person, but I think it would also look fantastic as a piece of ruined terrain! I guess you only have a couple models to go and you're done right? One more raven and a couple guys right?
Sorry the pics are slightly blurry but I think you get the point. I've gotten 4 of the terminators completed, I added a nice flowing cape bit onto a base and painted it howling griffin style. I then added a howling griffin arm reaching for a bolter on another guys base. I've continued to work on the NMM tutorial. Once i get the blending down I think I will definitely use it more in the future, it just turns out so nice even when done poorly! Thoughts?
They look great Ice! And you are really getting the hang of the NMM... nice addition to your bag of tricks. Bases look good too. Will have to add some opposing marine bits to mine but I want to make sure my army actually gets painted before I spend too much time on my bases.
I thought the assembled might find this amusing... I summarize the 4 lists for our Adepticon team as follows:
Solar_lion/Lamenters: "All my eggs in one basket."
Gitsplitta/Mantis Warriors: "I can annoy the heck out of you but probably can't actually kill you."
Ice's friend/Executioners: "My chief strategist was lost in the wilderness as a baby & raised by orks."
IceAngel/Tiger Claws: "I should have taken Huron for the fluff, but self-preservation got the better of me."
I finally got around to working on my last terminator. I think my howling griffin banner turned out pretty good. My commander is next along with my objective. A display board is in my near future.
4000 points of marines on one board, I want it to be as small as possible, most likely two pieces. How big of a board should I have?
I may use my Ice Angels as proxies to see how much room we need but four 18 by 18 inch squares would be a nice three by three foot display I should be able to whip up.
Looking good Ice, nice job with the blending on the thunderhammers. I was watching Les's tutorial, im thinking of picking up some oils for my thunderhammer crew
Ok, so after a great weekend of gluttony, I only managed small amounts of painting, but I did get the board and sliced it into nice 1 x 2 foot boards which will make a nice 2 x 4 display area. I also started to put the first stages of the orange on my commander.
Because I feel the need to do so here is my plan this week.
Monday and Tuesday - paint commander
Wednesday - apply sand, stone, rubble, debris etc to the board
Thursday - Prime board
Friday - Sunday - apply levels of brown to board, built objective, prime objective
Monday - Wednesday - detail board and paint objective.
Thursday - last minute touch ups before leaving for Adepticon....
Friday - enjoy Adepticon
Saturday - Murder the enemies with the Wardens of the Maelstrom aka No Impulse Control.....
Sunday - recover
That's the plan. 12 days to Adepticon, much needs to be done. Here we go!
I finally got around to working on my last terminator. I think my howling griffin banner turned out pretty good. My commander is next along with my objective. A display board is in my near future.
4000 points of marines on one board, I want it to be as small as possible, most likely two pieces. How big of a board should I have?
Talk amongst yourselves!
Ice - remember I have 2 SR and very little troops. Mine will have to be wide enough to accomidate - I can measure the wing to wing if you need it.
First of all I did a couple things a bit on the fly so let me know what you think. He has three purity seals on him, which I painted in my allies colors. Mantis Warrior green, Lamenter yellow, and on his leg Executioner camo. After I started messing around with the shield I really liked the pattern etched into the pewter and I really felt like Corien needed something so I attempted to have the blue squigglies other places on his armor. I did just a couple to test it out. What do you think? More or less, or get rid of them?
After I took these pictures I also realized that I didn't finish a couple level of highlights on the orange, whoops! I will be doing that while I patiently await for some responses. Feedback please!
I can't wait to see the armies together. All the chosen legions have such vibrant schemes to them. And I second the request- where's the head from on Corien? Looks great!
Very cool fig Ice, however, I couldn't help but notice that there is a mold line running up the swordarm from the elbow up to the shoulder. I think I might see one on the guard of the sword as well, but that is slightly blurry.
I definitely like the blue lines on the grey cloth areas and on the orange it does a good job of breaking up what would otherwise be a fairly solid block of orange on the faceplate. I wouldn't do much more than you have since if you add too many it would start getting a bit busy and would probably just end up looking messy.
Overall an excellent fig and a striking paint job.
Awesome this thread is really good and I love the scheme you have used, nice to see somebody taking a hint from the old days of the hobby. Oh good work Solar_Lion loving the storm raven
Okay, I now have four display boards covered in bits, foam, spackle, rocks, etc. Tomorrow they will be covered in sand and various kinds of textures. Which will make friday my day to add a possible second layer and prime the bits. Weekend I need to try to paint the entire board in all of its lovely brown tones. Which leaves me 3 days next week to paint the bits and some where along the line put together my objective.
Oh man! Lots to do and crunch time is arriving!
Thanks for all the great comments too! I'll try to post some WIP pics this weekend.
Wounded apothecary, throwing his last grenade, I have him sitting on a stand so you get a good idea how he will be set. I need to add some damage and make some of the bullet wounds a bit dirtier, but you get the idea. As for the board, it is currently sitting in my garage drying. Steve and I covered it with sand and rocks today. After closely examining Gits Mantis Warriors he uses larger pebbles on his bases so we kept up that thought and put a lot more of them on his section of the board. We're going to end up with myself and solar lion on the back two with steve and git on the front two.
Here is a couple WIP pictures of my objective. I have basically not done anything but paint today. I should be able to finish this guy and still get a good chunk of painting on the boards today. The boards have been browned, but I've been doing some experimenting with the next few steps before proceeding. I don't have to much time to mess anything up so once my tests have concluded I should be able to make some good progress on the boards. So far though, they look neat!
I like the subtley of the piece. Maybe it's just my personal view of what damage a marine can take ( I blame the Horus heresy books) but I reckon that marine may walk again! Is it possible, and I have no idea how to do this other than to add it to the fluff, to raise his importance? Like saying he has X amount of gene seed or something?
I like the subtley of the piece. Maybe it's just my personal view of what damage a marine can take ( I blame the Horus heresy books) but I reckon that marine may walk again! Is it possible, and I have no idea how to do this other than to add it to the fluff, to raise his importance? Like saying he has X amount of gene seed or something?
Thanks Taffiarti! I think that he will most definitely walk again, that's why he is such a great objective. Interesting idea about the importance level of the apothecary and I'm sure that if you set up a campaign you could easily fit that in. For example, you play X number of games and for every game that the apothecary survived he could have X amount of geneseed that he had collected and in the final game that would determine how many victory points he'd be worth. That'd be fun. Especailly if the final game was an apocalypse game.
Nicorex wrote:I have been really enjoying this thread. Do you plan on expanding this army after AC?
I'm glad you've been enjoying the thread Nicorex, I will do some minimal expansion after the game just to make everything fit nicely. For example, I have the Huron model and a 5 man painted unit of marines with various power weapons, i would probably try to make them fit nicely into the army and then be done. I have really enjoyed this project but afterward I will most likely go back to painting my Ice Angels, they still need plenty of attention and I've got a baal predator and a 10 man unit to paint!
In further development, I have completed my objective and added a few more layers to the boards. Next three days will be detail work and adding the various kinds of flocking to the board.
Off of that last post, I still consider myself fairly new to the hobby, and was wondering,
What does one do with a completed army, specifically when you have another army that you prefer of the same race? Is the other one just kept in storage? Or do you use it occasionally?
You can never have too many armies!.. I always like to do theme armies. Never know when you find a new player who doesn't have an army and you can let them use one of yours. or...
you want to paint a different looking army, in love with your original.. keep it as a reminder of the countless hours spent painting. Or...
Other people sell them off occasionally.
Trade them in the marine swap...
I have 3 SM armies, all the codex's play differently, but the real reason is I like to paint variety. I have most of my original RT models. I keep them for fun. And .. the real answer... it's like a catapult.. sure you may not use it very often, but that one time you really need one, you be glad you kept it.
Board update, so I know I keep saying I am going to take some pictures and post them, but every time I take a picture I see something I need to fix or want to change, so at this point I think I am going to wait until they are all completed.
In other news though, the boards are nearly completed. Steve and I sat down and painted everything on all four quadrants of the board, we further washed and highlighted everything and even laid down a lot of the static grass flocking. All of the "loyalist" chapters are represented as well! All that's left is to add the fall colored flocking stuff and then the tall grass so Gits Tranquility guys have something to hide in. Over all it turned out better then I expected. The further along the display board gets the happier I am becoming about it!
Tomorrow, I am helping Steve complete his army and we're doing the final flocking. Army lists have been compiled, books, dice, templates, and all necessary gaming utensils have been packed. Three days from now the Wardens will gather! Get excited!
OKAY! I have returned from Adepticon. It was a blast! I think one of my teammates is going to be starting a thread to show stuff in but in the meantime I will here for quite some time uploading 194 pictures for all of you to enjoy. I will be adding titles and descriptions at a later date but usually the pics speak for themselves. Thanks to everyone who stopped by and chatted, it was great to meet so many fellow gamers and dakka members. For those who missed it I highly recommend you make it to this event. It was a great time and everyone was cool. The armies were great and the event ran without a hitch (that I know of). Even compared to official Games Workshop events, this was way better. Grand Tournaments and Games days are neat and all but this one had a better atmosphere.
At any rate, I will post more about this later on the appropriate thread but I will let you all know. I need a short break from painting and modeling, lol.
And Ice and his friend were very cool to play with. None of the gamers we played with were nothing but fun. some more competive than others but all helpful, reasonable and appeared to have a good time.
I second Ice's comment.. get a team together and go geek out for a weekend.
Here is a couple WIP pictures of my objective. I have basically not done anything but paint today. I should be able to finish this guy and still get a good chunk of painting on the boards today. The boards have been browned, but I've been doing some experimenting with the next few steps before proceeding. I don't have to much time to mess anything up so once my tests have concluded I should be able to make some good progress on the boards. So far though, they look neat!
There will be more pics later!
How do you paint the white? What colors do you use?
Here is a couple WIP pictures of my objective. I have basically not done anything but paint today. I should be able to finish this guy and still get a good chunk of painting on the boards today. The boards have been browned, but I've been doing some experimenting with the next few steps before proceeding. I don't have to much time to mess anything up so once my tests have concluded I should be able to make some good progress on the boards. So far though, they look neat!
There will be more pics later!
How do you paint the white? What colors do you use?
Something that I've learned about painting white is that one layer is just not enough. I prime that model black, then painted fortress gray on his armor, and then several layers of watered down white, once that was finally done I worked on the details and what not but went back and added a black wash and a brown wash to make him look dirty.
joshoftheforest wrote:I'm so glad you guys had a good time!! That being said... it's been pretty lonely here on Dakka without you all
Thanks josh! Sorry we left you hanging, but now you'll have all sorts of great pics and stories to read about.
I actually just started a new thread, Adepticon 2011 review, which will have all our team highlights and stories in one central location. Easier for everybody.
OH MAN, I managed to stay away from any modeling or painting for approximately 4 days before I had to get back to it. Today I built my forgeworld Huron model and I built an Ice Angel for the great marine swap. He is making me a tech marine so I decided I would make a "techy" guy to send him. I havn't named him, but im always open for suggestions.
And Whale_music, yes I saw the mold lines and I fixed them. Jeez, I can already see him pointing his finger and hear him calling me out.
Gitsplitta wrote:very nice work Ice.... glad to be back with your Ice Angels?
I am, yet now when I look at them I see all of the little things that I can improve on them. I primed some guys today and I've got a random group of items that I plan to now paint. The marine swap marine is top on the list but I've got some other things that I'll be doing as well. Pictures will of course follow as the WIP continues.
I also have a terrain feature that I've had laying around for years that I want to put together. I've got a forgeworld manticore platform that I've had for 3 or 4 years now, I want to turn it into a terrain piece but I've never quite determined how I want it done. If any one has a suggestion I would greatly appreciate it. Keep in mind my board is an arctic board.
Does that thing he is holding count as a combie-bolter? If so does it have the normal rules for one or is he effectively carrying two separate weapons? Very nice work
Young_Logan wrote:Does that thing he is holding count as a combie-bolter? If so does it have the normal rules for one or is he effectively carrying two separate weapons? Very nice work
I would treat that as a combi-bolter. Yeah, definitely a combi-bolter. He also carries a searchlight, lol.
As you can see we have a couple different things going on here. First off we have my trygon that I've had for quite some time and am just now painting. He has a lot to do but you get an idea where I'm going. I am not happy with his painted claw, so that will most likely change, but the colors will not. The next picture is Brother Mattawatzu one of my death company dreadnoughts. I tried out Grey_death's battle damage tutorial and it works great. Very simple and doesn't take very long at all, the hardest part is deciding when to stop. The last picture is of my marine swap for Poly. I revisited Yggs tutorial on adding the light effect. The picture is a bit dark but we're getting there. I need to continue to work on the light effect skill. As always suggestions are appreciated!
Like the OSL on the marine, though to me I'd rather call his weapon a combi-melta, rather than combi-bolter (which are the Chaos counterparts of stormbolters, if I'm correct). Great conversion, looks really tech-y!!!
As for the Dread battle damage, I think it'd look better if some of the chips were a bit larger. I don't know why, it looks real good that way, but I have that kind of feeling...
Yggdrasil wrote:Like the OSL on the marine, though to me I'd rather call his weapon a combi-melta, rather than combi-bolter (which are the Chaos counterparts of stormbolters, if I'm correct). Great conversion, looks really tech-y!!!
As for the Dread battle damage, I think it'd look better if some of the chips were a bit larger. I don't know why, it looks real good that way, but I have that kind of feeling...
Keep up the good work!
Chaos version of the stormbolter is a twin-linked bolter
So I've slowly made some progress on Mattawatzu, I think I may actually paint his claws blue to match, but over all the battle damage is working well. I need to paint something on his name plate and after looking at the pictures I think I will paint the sesimc hammer housing white, it looks a bit odd being the only black flat panel on him. As for my marine swap, I added a bit more lighting on his back pack and started working on his base. I need to add some ice bits, but for the most part he is good to go. Thoughts?
Lighting effect on the Marine looks very well, not overdone, and not too dark. Also, it's very finely blended into the surface, so it looks pretty realistic, not like another layer of paint slapped on.
So the Trygon progress has slowed down a bit. I did change his tongue color and really all that's left to do is add the detail on his plates that go down his back and tail, that however is turning to be a rather dull task.
While taking this pics I did take this one as well! The marine swaps are always a good reminder of how much better other people are at painting then I am, lol.
@Sage - I have actually been spending most of my time writing Ice Angel fluff. I decided to write a separate story to submit to the black library, but the task is proving to be taking longer then expected. Once it is completed I'll once again add to my fiction blog, but I do not know how much longer this will take me. In the mean time you'll have to wait. Sorry.
Dont put yourself down! Your Ice Angels (especially the newer colour scheme) look great. That pic also shows how nice the gradients on Gits MW are, its the best pic ive seen of them.
I have finally completed my trygon. Next is my repair of Polyd8's marine. After that though I am a bit undecided. I have plenty of orks to paint along with quite a few Ice Angels. I am leaning towards working on the Ashurbani again but my priority is to finish up my story so I can then go back to adding to my dakka ice angel fluff. Some where WAY down the road I will have to get Poly's marine involved as well. He needs a name as well.
Yesterday I had a really fun battle against my buddy, Logan Grimmnar and his space puppies. I decided to spice it up a bit and play with my orks. I used nearly every ork model I have, which is about 1500 points of randomness. It was an objective based game and technically I won, I however had only 7 guys on the board and he had about 16. I don't have any pictures or a really battle report per say, but I do have some musings about my various ork units. Please chime in for I have only played with my orks a handful of times so far, it is a work in progress for sure.
Before I get to my ork break down, I did want to mention that my opponent put Logan Grimnar in a drop pod with a group of long fangs, he gave them all relentless so they could fire the turn they dropped. First turn he dropped in on my side of the board and unleashed split fire hell. It should have gone terrible for me but he rolled TERRIBLE and I only lost a biker and a kan, but it was an interesting idea.
As for my orks, here is what I was playing with.
Warboss
Weirdboy
Gretchen
Boys
Nobs on trukk
Meganobs
Loota's
Burna's
Bikers
Stormboyz
Killa Kans
I like the warboss because I could get the nobs as troops but he himself wasn't all that useful, at least in this game. My weirdboy killed more orks then wolves. The gretchen actually held an objective, for the points that was super handy. My boys didn't fair so well, the nobs on the trukks took out an entire unit of long fangs before getting massacred by some gray wolves. The meganobs did great, may have to get a battle wagon for them. The lootas usually do well for me, but they didn't hit anything and then got torn up by Logan in CC. Burnas lasted me nearly the entire game but didn't have the opportunity to fire much, not sure they are worth the points. They didn't get to fight in CC either. The bikers are great, I may have to try a nob biker unit next time. The stormboyz actually did well, they made it across the board and took out a dreadnought in CC on their first charge, I think I was rather lucky with them this time. The killa kans did great and are totally worth the diddly amount of points you pay for them.
All in all it was a great game and a blast, I did learn a few things but also had a few questions. For example, the runtherd has the squig hound that lets you reroll morale checks. How many rerolls can you take in a turn? Is that determined by the number of gretchen in the unit or is it only once?
I haven't been doing a lot of modeling or painting as of late, but I did get a random urge to make some terrain. As you can see I now have some tall ice/rock/spire thingies. I still have plenty to do on them but at this stage you get a good idea what they will look like. There are a total of four terrain pieces of various sizes in there. Thoughts?
Vitruvian XVII wrote:Good start, very good for BLOS terrain.
Did you use a hot wire cutter?
Correct! That is exactly what I wanted the terrain pieces to do too. I have plenty of hills and rubble/difficult terrain pieces, but nothing that was good at blocking line of sight. The only exception was my ork garage that ended up being almost too big.
I think they will look stunning on the table when done.
I think you should go with the ice theme rather than rocks/spires. Ii think the paint job will be easier for you and it will fit better with your fluff, your name and general theme. Makes me want to make some myself
taffiarti wrote:I think they will look stunning on the table when done.
I think you should go with the ice theme rather than rocks/spires. Ii think the paint job will be easier for you and it will fit better with your fluff, your name and general theme. Makes me want to make some myself
PS - i love your Trygon!
Thanks Taffiarti! I will post up some more WIP pictures as I go along. I highly recommend you make some of these, they are easy and look really cool. As long as I don't butcher the paint job they should come out great.
You are too modest. I doubt it occurs to any of your readers that you will butcher them!
Out of interest what did you make them out of? I have often heard of the pink/blue insulation but I have never rely been able to find the GB equivalent.
I am not entirely sure what it is specifically called. I went to our local Lowes, which is a hardware super store, and purchased an 8' x 4' piece of blue insulation foam board. It's two or three inches thick and every easy to work with. Even the scraps can be used for all matter of fun stuff. Of that 8' x 4' board I have created a lot of hills and other pieces. I still have half of it left.
Same here in NZ, I have tried to get it, but outside of a few university art supply stores who sell it to architecture students I can't get my hands on any.
nice terrain, i came across some fluff for your army a while ago but i never subbed, looking good since i last saw it though, and the terrain looks very cool indeed
I am surprised you guys have such trouble finding that foam. I wonder if its a climate thing. It is dirt cheap.
bigfish wrote:nice terrain, i came across some fluff for your army a while ago but i never subbed, looking good since i last saw it though, and the terrain looks very cool indeed
Thanks bigfish, the ice angel fluff still continues actually. Link is in my sig.
IceAngel wrote:I am surprised you guys have such trouble finding that foam. I wonder if its a climate thing. It is dirt cheap.
bigfish wrote:nice terrain, i came across some fluff for your army a while ago but i never subbed, looking good since i last saw it though, and the terrain looks very cool indeed
Thanks bigfish, the ice angel fluff still continues actually. Link is in my sig.
Top image is of my marine swap I've been working on. Nearly completed at this point. The second picture is of one of our newest ork boyz. You can never have enough boyz and when my buddy picked up the newest box of savage orks we had a blast creating and painting them up.
My brother has done something similar with the savage ork set, although nothing quite so striking. Were you planning to add tattoos or anything to them?
Absolutely! Whenever you have a big green mass of muscle like that it begs to have a tattoo on it. I feel like the savage ork models must have tattoos on them.
Squad Ashurbani WIP. As you can see I've gotten a couple different degrees of progress on them but they are coming along. I like the way the color scheme is coming across on them.
At some point I hope to get my boarding master painted along with my own special character, the Unspeakable.
It's because it's subtle that I like it. I always imagined that the brightness of these guns would rise and fall depending upon what stage of the shot or charge cycle it was in. I actually find it quite refreshing that the OSL is not taking over the base colours of the miniature.
Thanks guys! I don't use lighting effects nearly enough. I have always loved both the subtle and the over done lighting on models but I don't seem to recognize the times when it should be done other then the blatantly obvious searchlights and head lights. I am trying to do it more often on the plasma weapons and small lights on special equipment etc.
Side note: I finally got what I needed to resume work on my terrain spires. They are currently drying after their glue and sand dance.
I haven't been able to as much modeling in as of late but I have managed to sneak in some time working on these guys. Number 1, we have my first attempts at creating a frozen river. Please tell me what you think, any suggestions? I have about 13 more river pieces already cut out and ready to be worked on. The other two pieces are the nearly completed spires I started awhile back. They came out great. We've already played a game with them and they are very effective terrain pieces. My collection of hills, difficult terrain, and now impassible terrain is very nice. All that remains is to make some rubble / buildings and the river.
Dang Ice... somehow your blog fell off my subscription list. Have missed a bit.
I like the OSL on the dread. I don't really like the weathering though. The black (OK dark) pitting on the white just looks odd. I'm not suggesting that you didn't do the weathering correctly... the extreme contrast just doesn't work for me.
I like your terrain. Reminds me of the terrain pieces I made back in 3rd edition... had a lot of fun with those.
bigfish wrote:That ice river is looking pretty dam good.
taffiarti wrote:I agree with Bigfish. great job!
Thanks guys, I'm glad you like!
Gitsplitta wrote:Dang Ice... somehow your blog fell off my subscription list. Have missed a bit.
I like the OSL on the dread. I don't really like the weathering though. The black (OK dark) pitting on the white just looks odd. I'm not suggesting that you didn't do the weathering correctly... the extreme contrast just doesn't work for me.
I like your terrain. Reminds me of the terrain pieces I made back in 3rd edition... had a lot of fun with those.
What do you suggest other then the black? Silver or a lighter gray?
Vitruvian XVII wrote:Looks sweet, very evocative of the biting chill of winter
Thanks Vitruvian, that's what I was shooting for.
40k Ninja wrote:Cool ice bergs. How did you do them?
I actually cut up 2.5 inch insulation foam in long pieces and then stood them up. The key was the cuts in short back and forth motions.
1-i wrote:Space Marines on skates, Ice-capades for the Emporer.
I think that some dark spots in the lower layers would help bring out the depth details but really it looks great as is.
Thanks 1-i, I didn't think about that. I am not sure I would add a darker blue and because of the foam we didn't prime them because it eats the foam and I actually don't have any black house paint at the moment. You don't often paint any part of your house black, lol. If I did I would give it a shot.
Yggdrasil wrote:OSL : awesome, check.
Frozen River : looks like a *real* frozen river, check.
Huge Icicles Forest : awesome, check!
I somewhat agree with Git's feeling about the weathering, though it only struck me when he mentioned it. Before that, I was all about the OSLlol!
Thanks Yggs! The OSL wouldn't have happened without you, lol. Do you have an idea how I should change the battle damage?
I'm glad the river has been such a big hit. I have already started the long process on five more pieces. Should be a week or so before I'll be able to post a pic of them.
So I just got back from my vacation to GenCon. It was phenomenal as always. Didn't play any warhammer or even a games workshop related game but had a blast. Throughout my vacation I did manage to work a tiny bit on my river. Below is a picture of the pieces and where they are at so far. It ended up being 6 pieces that can span my entire 4x8 board with two turns in it. Gives me plenty of options to work with. I may make one more straight piece but as of right now it is a good starting point. Currently I need to glue down some texture and then begin the painting process.
In other news I did receive my marine in the mail from BBL. I need to base him. I've got another swap to work on and then a buddy of mine picked up a deff dread for me as well. PLENTY TO DO!
I almost forgot to mention. At GenCon I went to a couple great seminars one of which was on writing novels and short stories. It was a list of things not to do that many amateur writers often do. As you can imagine I took a lot of notes and am hoping to improve upon my own story with this new found list. Keep an eye out for that once I get back into writing!
After double-checking, I'm not so sure you should change things on the weathering itself.
I think the problem comes that there's too much contrast between the highly-weathered "hull" (in white) with the rest of the model, that have little to no chipping. It's even more striking on the plasma "barrel" : it is painted white as the hull, though doesn't have a single chip!
I also think a brown (Graveyard Earth?) could do the trick for the chipping... But I've never weathered white, so who knows? Actually, I've only weathered one piece of scenery lol...
I'm glad the OSL tutorial helped!
As for GenCon... Could you write a list or a summary of the important traps to avoid? Recently I've tried beginning some fluff for my chapter, but I've started at least a dozen times from 3-4 sides of the story, and I just seem to drown myself in useless ramblings & details... So any trick might prove really helpful!
Thanks guys! I can see your point Yggs. I can see your point with the weathering. I will try to go back and weather the gun barrel along with some of the other bits to see if that helps. As for the fluff aspect I will respond to that on my fluff page in a few minutes.
As for your OSL on Brother Sattawatzu; great stuff. In conjunction with the white of the body it gives a real powered up and HOT! charged feel. Great job!!
Oh and a Tip: Come to NZ and build me a table like that... Oh and teach me how to play this game
vent wrote:Nice table! I Really like that scenery.
As for your OSL on Brother Sattawatzu; great stuff. In conjunction with the white of the body it gives a real powered up and HOT! charged feel. Great job!!
Oh and a Tip: Come to NZ and build me a table like that... Oh and teach me how to play this game
lol, vent I will make you a deal. You buy the tickets and I will come and visit you! I will even build you the table! I love doing that stuff.
side note: writing tips are up on my ice angel fluff thread.
You know... I never commented on it but I've been remiss in my orkish duties. I really like that ork you painted up. I take it he's some kind of primitive ork with a few 40k bits added??
I've been contemplating getting some Black Orks for some time and modifying them to act as a unit of 'Aard Boyz. That's a ways away but once I feel a bit more comfortable about where I am on my marines it would be a nice diversion for a bit.
Solar_lion wrote:I thing Ygg is correct earth would work, I try to slightly a touch of red or rust, very very light thou.
SL
I'm not sure how the red would look, i may experiment with both the red and earthen looks.
Git, you are correct. That is a savage ork with ork boy bits. We ended up with a whole mess of great looking orks from combining the two kits. The idea is to have a ton of orks of all kinds because that is what an ork horde would look like.
In river news, I have flocked and painted them blue. I am over the hump, they should be done here sooner then later. I just need to add some blues along with with white then go back and add the frozen icy watery bits. I am super excited.
Side note: I built my first deff dread. Twice actually. I built it first and then realized that I had put to much dakka on the deff dread. NOW all orks know that you can never have to much dakka but in this case I had so much dakka I couldn't fit all of my arms on him. I had to remove some of the dakka. My inner ork was saddened by this. My inner ork said to make the body bigger and add even more arms.
I finished up my river pieces today. Glued down some of my icy bits and decided I needed to give you guys a better view of my handy work. I am pretty happy with the results. The longest piece warped a bit in the middle which bothers me and I am unsure of how to fix it. Worse case scenario is I cut it in half. That'll show it!
Here are a couple of close ups using my awesome guest marines to give you some scale.
Captain Razzik with Brother Aquilum, Inushi, Inigo, and Nefas.
unknown battle brother.
Brother Walters
Brother Evrard, Desai, and Reven
Brother Kvothe and Brother Jaska
Nice frozen water effect.
The only suggestion is to blend the river edges more to match your table . It seems the table had darker undertones. Could be the pic.
Wow great looking table! I might have missed something, but could you tell me how you got that amazing water effect?
Unless it's a well guarded government secret.
Solar_Lion I see what you are saying but I think it isn't as much my table looks darker as much as my terrain isn't light enough. The terrain and my board are actually all painted with the exact same blues and whites. My wife pointed out almost immediately that there isn't enough white on my river pieces. I may go back and add a bit more and see how that looks. I will keep you posted.
As for the water effect, it was SUPER easy. I had recently redone my kitchen sink and had nearly a full container of silicon gel. After I had fully painted my river pieces I simply added a liberal amount of silicon to the river and then spread it out so that it was some what even. That was it.
On several of the river pieces I experimented with different painted effects but ultimately they turned out so subtle that you can hardly tell.
Gitsplitta wrote:You need frozen mountains, or glacier edges... or something. Brilliant table though... should give the Ice Angles home field advantage.
I am not sure how feasible a frozen mountain would be unless the entire table WAS the frozen mountain. How cool would that be? From a terrain stand point I am not sure what else I really need except for some buildings and rubble. I've got a large selection of hills, spires, a river, and large areas of difficult terrain. Next on the terrain docket will be more ork buildings but that won't be for quite some time. I've got another marine swap to do and then I need to paint up some orks and finish the Ashurbani. Some where in there I also want to work on my dreadnought again. I want to try some battle damage on the rest of him to see how it affects the model as a whole.
I am battling a couple buddies today and I was tossing around the idea of fielding all of my guest marines. I took a look at what they were equipped with and determined I could only field them as jump pack less vanguard or honor guard. Not wanting to field more then one commander for points purposes I did a 10 man vanguard unit and one honor guard with Captain Razzik. After equipping them as is and tossing all 16 into a crusader I ended up with 1,010 points for 16 marines and a tank. Wow. Not sure how often that will get used, lol.
Pictures of the game will be up later on today. Get excited!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Today we had an awesome three way battle. It was a single objective based game. You could only hold the objective with troop choices. It ended up being a draw but it did go for 7 turns. Here is the battlefield and a picture of the three armies. The tyranid player had other things in reserves but no one else did.
This was the first battle we'd played with the new river. We ran it as dangerous terrain. There were many deaths in the frozen river. Here is what it claimed in its first battle.
Over all the battle was a blast. I took 5 dreadnoughts which was a lot of fun. My tech marine actually managed to fix an immobilized dread AND repaired a destroyed weapon. It was the most use a tech marine had ever had in one of my armies.
KillaKan in the drink, that made all the work you did worth it.
That river looks great on the table and with the natural light and table backdrop I take back my "darken the low points" suggestion from before. That looks about as good as it can get.
1-i, something that I think i am going to try to do is actually add more white to my river pieces. I think that that will accentuate the recesses a bit more. After staring at the river for several hours while we played a three way battle I had plenty of time to examine my own work. The biggest difference between the river and my board is that I have more large areas of white on the board and the white only dry brushed on the river. I think painting the edges of the river white and being a bit more consistent across the terrain pieces will help the overall feel of the terrain.
Automatically Appended Next Post: UPDATE:
A WIP picture of my marine swap for 1-i. I still have plenty to do but he is coming together nicely.
Ok, as you may have noticed I haven't done any painting, constructing, or even writing as of late. I have lost some serious motivation. Mainly because it has moved to other things, but that is besides that point. Every time I sit at my compute my Ice Angel army stares me down. All 20k points of it watching me. I do battle with them on a regular basis but my goal two years ago was to start fixing them up and making them look good. So far that upgraded treatment has only happened on perhaps 30 models and even now I think my painting has improved enough to where I may have to go back and have to upgrade and upgraded ones! As you can see I've got a long way to go. The pictures above are of my four shelves of Ice Angels, a drawer of non-displayed marines, and then a side shot of some orks.
It seems every day I check out my dakka subscribed threads and I cry at the awesomeness of it all. The amazing tru-scale marines, the ridiculous conversions, the amalgamation of crap, bits, goo, and paint that turn into tiny creations of AWE. When I even conceive the notion of starting up one of my next painting projects my mind poops a nugget of Gibraltar-halt.
And it doesn't happen.
SO, I would like some of your assistance. I want you to pick my next project. Rules: Pick one model in any of these pictures. I will post a close up of the subject and I will begin to work on him. I will paint him up to the best of my ability. If its an ork I'll even let you pick the colors. Once he is done I will start on the next model someone else has chosen. I will paint in the order they are posted. Please only pick one model.
The only models currently off limits are the marines swaps, (the non Ice Angels in the top picture) and Captain Ruusa as he was painted for me by someone else.
I spy with my little eye both marines I sent you. I don't know if it was intentional, but it looks like Reven is stationed behind Xerin and his shield, shooting over his shoulder. Team work in action
From a playable 40k standpoint... what do you have painted. I want an army list of what's painted... finished. Do NOT go back and re-paint the re-paints... that's a fools errand. What can the Ice Angels field already? Let's start there & then we can look at what you should paint next.
If you go at this haphazardly... you're definitely going to burn out without accomplishing what you'd like.
From a playable 40k standpoint... what do you have painted. I want an army list of what's painted... finished. Do NOT go back and re-paint the re-paints... that's a fools errand. What can the Ice Angels field already? Let's start there & then we can look at what you should paint next.
If you go at this haphazardly... you're definitely going to burn out without accomplishing what you'd like.
Damn you Gits! For an ork player you make way to much sense.
How specific do you want the list of fieldable painted units?
Well it seems you can build a few solid lists out of that many troops. I would try to figure out what kind of army you want to play, see how you can field it with what you have and then see what needs work on. You have enough options there to make a cool list I'm sure.
Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:I spy with my little eye both marines I sent you. I don't know if it was intentional, but it looks like Reven is stationed behind Xerin and his shield, shooting over his shoulder. Team work in action
I don't know if they are working together but I did actually play a game with Reven the other day. He didn't survive but he did kill some ork lootas before getting eaten by a Trygon.
Sageheart wrote:Well it seems you can build a few solid lists out of that many troops. I would try to figure out what kind of army you want to play, see how you can field it with what you have and then see what needs work on. You have enough options there to make a cool list I'm sure.
I can build a lot of different lists and some ridiculous apocalypse lists. My favorite is still an entire jump pack army deep striking on the battlefield. It is usually a suicide mission for my marines but the rest of my team then usually gets a few turns to cause havoc while I'm the target. I don't recommend doing this against every army.
1-i wrote:I just read my post and probally should clearify
your primary troops = tactial squads
But after looking closely at your pics Id say go with one of the Speeders.
lol, it has been a long time since I used my speeders. A couple of them need some serious base repairs.
Gitsplitta wrote:So... the "unpainted drawer guys" are the only figures that need to be painted? Everything else above them is done?
Correct! The only figures unpainted, are in the drawer. All others are painted but to various levels. Many of which I painted a decade ago that desperately need to be repainted. The goal here IS to repaint my army. Outside of very small lists, when i field an army you get a wide variety of painted levels. There are certain models that I don't usually field because they don't look nearly as good as others and that just isn't fair to the models.
No I do not, mostly because outside of a couple of the dreadnoughts, all of the guys that are at the standard I want I have sent to other people via the marine swap. Even the a fore mention dreadnoughts could use a little more love. I think we should attack this assuming that there isn't a marine in my army up to the standards that I want or am capable of doing.
Then that's where I would start. Do the dreads first 'cause they'r whiz-bang and impressive. Then move on to the rest. Finish squads if you can, then single figures. Then at least you'll have some that are "complete" & can build on that.
I feel like this is becoming the "Gitsplittas 10 Step Army Upgrade Process", but I took your advise and started with a unit that didn't need to much work. It wasn't one of my dreadnoughts but a unit of terminators. I did a bit of touch ups, drilled out some barrels that I had missed, then worked on their bases some.
Believe me Ice... I have so bloody much to paint that I've gotten pretty good at coming up with schemes to trick myself into staying motivated.
The termies look great. And you may have it figured out. Start by cleaning up what you have close, so you don't have that nagging "nothing I've got is really finished" thing going on in the back of your head. Also, do them in fieldable chunks if you can. Finish whole squads as opposed to a figure here or there. Use vehicles (like the dreads) to break up the monotony of the infantry. Lastly, have a specific army build in mind and try to work towards that first. Once that's done, you can add elements to it while still feeling like you've got something concrete completed.
My Adepticon army was my first "leg". My second leg will be complete when I finally get my two LS Storms done and the last couple of sternguard. Then I can just add bits (like the attack bikes, then vindies, etc.) as I feel like it with no pressure.
I think your on a good track now with Gits pointers. One thing I use to help keep me going is an excel sheet I made that I can track my models painted, broken down by unit type and wargear. It also totals up my total points painted and total models painted. It really gives me a sense of movement in your army. I'd be happy to send you the file if you want. I think Gits uses it as well.
I'd also throw away the old Lemartes model and pick up the new one. Like a billion times better than the old one.
After the terminators I started to do some minor things to the Uttuakki, drilling out barrels! I also finally got around to basing all of my orks. Here is a pic of some of them with their lovely snow bases.
After the Uttuakki I think I am going to make up some 10 man assault squads and start working on updating them. They shouldn't need a lot of work but enough to keep me busy for awhile.
Here is also a couple pictures of my next targets. Here are all of my assault marines with jump packs. I have three full 10 man units and 15 other marines that have either special weapons or sergeant type weapons, I may make some of them into honor guard. I have a lot of work ahead of me with some of these guys but considering I use them fairly often it will be well worth it.
Unless you field a jump honor gaurd I wouldnt think they should be a priority at this time. Definatly complete your basic jump guys they are so close so they might as well be done.
@GiraffeX - not a bad suggestion. I may try that. I plopped down all of my jump pack troops and it is already a bit intimidating, doing a 10 man unit will be my first goal.
@1-i - I'm glad you like 1-i.
@Briancj - You can battle on my table whenever you'd like! Just let me know if you're ever in the greater Indianapolis area, lol.
I ablsolutely Love your ideas Ice Angel once again I cant quit looking lol. I am as well trying to make a game board. What did you use for your base on the board?
SatanicMonkey10 wrote:I ablsolutely Love your ideas Ice Angel once again I cant quit looking lol. I am as well trying to make a game board. What did you use for your base on the board?
Amazing work though keep it up
SatanicMonkey10
For the base of board do you mean what kind of wood or how did I get the overall snowy look?
Briancj wrote:There's a very good chance, Ice, that I will attend GC in 2012!
Did you get a chance to play the Artemis Spaceship Bridge simulator while you were there?
I did not play the Artemis Spaceship Bridge Simulator. I did play a ton of games but it is so hard to get everything in, even in 4 days! GenCon is so fantastic. I am already excited about next year. I didn't really see any 40k events this year though and that was a bit disappointing. Not that I would have played because they take so freaking long, but I do always like to stop by and get ideas from other peoples work.
Side note: Any one have any good battle damage tutorials for models that are in black?
Briancj wrote:GW and GenCon have a long, acrimonious history. Thus, you will never see an official GW presence at Gencon.
oh yeah, i was fully aware of that, but in previous years there had always been local gaming groups running their own 40k tournaments. Last year I played in two of them, the year before that I was in one of them, but this year there weren't any to partake in. I was a bit disappointed by the 40k gamers of greater Indianapolis.
oh I almost forgot. I did manage a small amount of work today on my assault marines. I worked on some bases. I broke off some old bits I didn't like and replaced them with newer ones. This also gave me another 5 man unit that I can field without having to use them as honor guard. I also did some serious cleaning on a couple of my really old models. I didn't realize that some of these old models were actually old death company models. Any one remember the old pewter death company? My original death company had one of every weapon in it and all sorts of junk. I had auto pistols, hand flamers, las pistols, they were a royal pain to use but a lot of fun to put together. They were almost like a necromunda gang more then a 40k unit, lol.
I do remember some old DC models, but not the loadout you're talking about...
The old plastic, assault weapons sprue came with those indeed : autopistol, plasma pistol, hand flamer, laspistol, and... maybe one that I can't recall, but I had always thought it was a generic, Imperium sprue : my Space Wolves also came with those sprues, yet they couldn't equip the auto&las pistols, only hand flamers & plasma pistols !
Are you sure you didn't go overboard when you built them
oh yeah! In second edition you could equip death company members with just about any weapon you wanted outside of heavy weapons and if you recall in second edition units were already prefilled sizes, so a tactical unit was 300 points for 10 men plus gear etc. I think that's why I always went over the top with my absurd combinations. My reasoning was that they used up their ammunition already and are now picking up whatever weapon they find on the battlefield. They are crazy enraged psycho astartes, why not?!
Despite my lack of posts as of late I have continued to work on my assault marines. I have 21 one of them complete which leaves me with 23 assault marines left to do. Nearly half way. The above picture is the latest one that I've completed. I also managed to toss in a couple of orks just to spice things up a bit. I hope you like!
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