Anyone remember that photo from way back that looked like a plastic demiurg prototype? Some of the materials in that photo looked inquisition-like, was it ever revealed what that was for?

Found it

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/390/250574.page#900066

That was a fan project for Dark Heresy IIRC.

Does anybody remember what they did before Gorkamorka?, they had like race reports and like odd articles about , like a drag circuit car wars / chariot race/ dark future type thing... maybe this is this Blanche thingy alludes too.

Wish we could've seen more of that fan project. It looked very interesting.

I hope it's something good regardless.
My inteests have shifted away from the larger scale games like 40k and WFB, and onto the small skirmish scale games like Urban war and Malifaux.
Something small in scope would be on my "to buy" list.

Well I was hoping for BB, I guess an inquisition skirmish game would make a lot of people happy though.

This is an interesting rumor. At the same time it leaves me a bit confused. Why would GW eliminate 'Specialist Games' only to replace them with these limited runs? Unsupported games never do well.

It sounds like this Inquisition game is going to be Inquisitor meets Necromunda. I am sure there will be new rules but where it fits in the over all scheme of things will be the same.

I am eager to see if and how this materializes.

Actually, their limited runs tended to sell. Not only that, they would sell them to stores to either quickly run out if the game was good, or languish on shelves if not. Either way, they sold their stuff to stores.

In some cases, stores would have to buy a certain amount of the stuff to maintain a level of GW partnership.

Personally I think GW would do very well with a Skirmish sized 40k game. I for one can't afford to start a new army but there is at least 1 box/unit from each army that I would like to buy. If there was a decent rules set to allow me to use 5-10 models then I'd be in my element!

I've got to say I would have preferred Blood Bowl. This will be interesting to see but I can't see myself buying it. I get my fill of 40k playing it tbh.

That said it is more interesting to me from a GW strategy perspective. Do seem to be a move to a lower cost game, more possibly aimed at new players. Very interesting.

I'm a bit concerned to be honest. I've been begging for a scaled down 40k game for awhile. Something that's quicker to play, more strategic and a little more tournement friendly. While I like the idea of the scaled back game, I'm concerned that if this doesn't have rules for other races it won't be much fun. And if the early remarks are true that they want this to be a gateway to the greater 40k universe, the last thing we need is even more players thinking there's nothing to the universe but 10 different flavors of human.

Nvs wrote:
I'm a bit concerned to be honest. I've been begging for a scaled down 40k game for awhile. Something that's quicker to play, more strategic and a little more tournement friendly. While I like the idea of the scaled back game, I'm concerned that if this doesn't have rules for other races it won't be much fun. And if the early remarks are true that they want this to be a gateway to the greater 40k universe, the last thing we need is even more players thinking there's nothing to the universe but 10 different flavors of human.

Hey, ten different flavors of human would be an improvement over the current "Fifty Shades of Space Marines" we have.

Grel777 wrote:
This is an interesting rumor. At the same time it leaves me a bit confused. Why would GW eliminate 'Specialist Games' only to replace them with these limited runs? Unsupported games never do well.

I know it's probably just wishful thinking, but I'd love to see if they do actually support it, and this turns out to just be a weird roundabout way of updating Inquisitor/Necromunda to fall more in line with the current ruleset.

Bondage marines!
But seriously, I agree with Erzanj.

MandalorynOranj wrote:

Grel777 wrote:
This is an interesting rumor. At the same time it leaves me a bit confused. Why would GW eliminate 'Specialist Games' only to replace them with these limited runs? Unsupported games never do well.

I know it's probably just wishful thinking, but I'd love to see if they do actually support it, and this turns out to just be a weird roundabout way of updating Inquisitor/Necromunda to fall more in line with the current ruleset.

Me too.

 Igandris wrote:

Bondage marines!

Emperor's Children ? ^^

Now, end of the off-topic, and back to the mystery box. If it is really Inquisition-themed, I just hope they stay true to the atmosphere of Inquisitor/Dark Heresy/the Witchhunter Codex. Also, not too many skulls.

 BrookM wrote:
Three actually..

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440273a&prodId=prod1630084

Ouch, it was 5 for £5.50 last time I looked...

Herzlos wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Three actually..

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440273a&prodId=prod1630084

Ouch, it was 5 for £5.50 last time I looked...

You might be confusing it with the Combat Squad box, which was five regular marine models. The push fit model box has always been three.

If it is an Inquisitor/Skirmish scale game I really hope it doesn't end as a one off release.

Mystery box this year will be Battlefleet Gothic because the 40k White Dwarf T-Shirts came in tubes which had destinations on them. One was sent to Armageddon and the other was sent to Cypra Mundi Docks.

yukihyou wrote:
Does anybody remember what they did before Gorkamorka?, they had like race reports and like odd articles about , like a drag circuit car wars / chariot race/ dark future type thing... maybe this is this Blanche thingy alludes too.

yeah it was dark future i think...

it used hot wheel sized cars and 20mm scale figs.

GW dropped it as soon as it became apparent that people could just scavenge thier old hotwheels instead of buying the box set of plastic cars they were shilling...

I'm so glad it's not bloodbowl. Yes, it's a popular nostalgic game but just like dreadfleet the models have absolutely no use *outside* of Bloodbowl. Part of the reason 28mm model kickstarters do well and also why space hulk did well is because you can buy the game AND use the models for other things.

People who love bloodbowl already probably made themselves a customized board so a rerelease is pointless. Those who can't get a copy of blood bowl are probably playing the fairly superior version called dreadball anyhow.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:

yukihyou wrote:
Does anybody remember what they did before Gorkamorka?, they had like race reports and like odd articles about , like a drag circuit car wars / chariot race/ dark future type thing... maybe this is this Blanche thingy alludes too.

yeah it was dark future i think...

it used hot wheel sized cars and 20mm scale figs.

GW dropped it as soon as it became apparent that people could just scavenge thier old hotwheels instead of buying the box set of plastic cars they were shilling...

Ignoring the fact that White Dwarf at the time featured tons of those converted Hot Wheels/Matchbox cars and ideas on how to convert them to cars for the game? I don't think it will have anything to do with this, but I liked those old Mad Max-inspired models.

Now if they could combine Dark Future and Gorkamorka at 28mm scale...

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:

yukihyou wrote:
Does anybody remember what they did before Gorkamorka?, they had like race reports and like odd articles about , like a drag circuit car wars / chariot race/ dark future type thing... maybe this is this Blanche thingy alludes too.

yeah it was dark future i think...
it used hot wheel sized cars and 20mm scale figs.
GW dropped it as soon as it became apparent that people could just scavenge thier old hotwheels instead of buying the box set of plastic cars they were shilling...

Dark Future (1988) was WAY before GorkaMorka (1997). DF was from the days of detergent-bottle flyers, White Dwarf-published blueprints for Plasticard Baneblades and the Dark Future articles all showed them using a mix of the official models and Hot Wheels cars. You're projecting modern GW values onto the GW of the day.

I myself am pretty pumped at the prospect of a new 28mm Inquisitor

yeah,
I have mixed feelings...
I kinda want an official hard copy of the BloodBowl living rule book with all the art/fluff put back in!
And the rumoured plastic pitch sounded awesome...

I have enough unpainted 40k to last me a life time!

PAnic...

I love this so much, had a rumbling feeling this would happen since Blanche returned with his feature in WD. Kinna one of those things if you say it out loud it won't come true, inquisitor returns!!

No need for a new bloodbowl anyway, current version is great and available on GW's site.

 nwns wrote:
No need for a new bloodbowl anyway, current version is great and available on GW's site.

Would be nice to have plastic teams done to the standard of Dark Vengeance, though.

I was hoping for a reboot of Bombas over da Sulfa Rivva

 snurl wrote:
I was hoping for a reboot of Bombas over da Sulfa Rivva

No you weren't.



After all of this, I'm going to be really disappointed f it isn't some sort of 28mm scaled Inquisitor/Warbands/Necromunda-hybrid thing.

In other words, if it IS "Bombas over da Sulfa Rivva"!

Yeah,
I've thought about it and now taken complete offense to this threads subject title.

I want bloodbowl...

Panic...

 snurl wrote:
I was hoping for a reboot of Bombas over da Sulfa Rivva

Just in time for the end of aeronautica, new limited edition imperial aeronautica!

I for one will be looking forward to a 40k inq. Game. Just imagine if it was a well supported game in Whitedwarf even if for only a year or two.

I think I'm in the minority here, but I just don't have much interest in BloodBowl.

In fact, I have trouble gettting into any "sports" miniatures games.

Am I alone here?

Probably not. Bloodbowl is also a lot more of a board game than other miniatures games. It's not a bad thing, but it's just different. Same goes with Space Hulk, but at least in that case, you still have soldiers fighting other things.

EDIT: I say that as a huge BB fan.

Also, I don't think GW can do justice to BB anymore. BB was at its height with the BBRC and the massive fan involvement. That's now all been destroyed and all the good will sapped away by things like legal threats to fans for using bloodbowl in their forum domain names. GW isn't willing to maintain the product line, so a one-off board game box isn't going to do as a release if you want the true bloodbowl experience. Other smaller companies have filled the fantasy creatures playing football market now and I think they do a better job than GW would.


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A smaller model count 40k skirmish game is likely going to be a good way to go. But again, I wonder about supporting it. Will the jump from there really be to full size 40k or will there be miniatures to add to the skirmish warbands and small boxes of stuff?

I'd rather play BB than any other GW game. I was hoping the rumored fall release would finally convince my group to start it. I've only played the PC game version.

Still, I'd be excited about a Skirmish Inquisition game. I feel like 40k and WHFB are both spiraling out on control into games that should really not be 30 mm scale... so anything skirmished or BB would be a welcomed change for me.

While a skirmish game sounds interesting, and makes sense from a business standpoint by offering a low-cost entry game with theoretically compatible models, GW's penchant to over-charge enormously for "character" models will present a barrier still to new players.

Who's going to spend $20+ on single models for their warband? How they handle the actual physical product is of great interest to me.

Omg if this box set is bull and doesnt appear by xmas I will buy an xbox and gta5, serious..

 MajorStoffer wrote:
While a skirmish game sounds interesting, and makes sense from a business standpoint by offering a low-cost entry game with theoretically compatible models, GW's penchant to over-charge enormously for "character" models will present a barrier still to new players.

Who's going to spend $20+ on single models for their warband? How they handle the actual physical product is of great interest to me.

Thats a good point, with todays prices a small game is likely to scare away potential gamers that are not yet addicted (and not yet willing to grumpily pay up whatevers on the price tag).
I remember though, when me and my friends started out with necromunda; my friend bought a new heavy for his scavvies, a really large model it costed exactly half of what todays plastic far seer cost and we all had a sour feeling he had been robbed by GW. Today though, we are still here.

Get a PS4 instead.

On topic in here please!

 MajorStoffer wrote:
While a skirmish game sounds interesting, and makes sense from a business standpoint by offering a low-cost entry game with theoretically compatible models, GW's penchant to over-charge enormously for "character" models will present a barrier still to new players.

Who's going to spend $20+ on single models for their warband? How they handle the actual physical product is of great interest to me.

I would imagine they have enough chestnuts in the fire so to speak without committing to a skirmish game like necromunda. But a one shot like space hulk, with Inq. on one side and gene stealer cultists or demons on the other would be a fun game. GW has proven they can do excellent snap fit plastics for box sets.

If this ends up being priced similarly to Dark Vengeance and is meant to be a gateway game to get people into 40k, then why wouldn't people just get DV? And if people decide they don't necessarily want to get into full 40k, but there are no additional products for this inquisitor game, then there's no path for them to expand.

I'm beginning to think that GW's theory that games other than 40k/WFB/LotR just serve to cannibalize sales of those three games (really two) might be a self fulfilling prophecy. Either this games is going to be a one-off like space hulk or it's going to be an introduction into 40k, but if the point is 40k, then how is it a better starter than DV (assuming Space Hulk like prices).

If this is going to be GW venturing back into board game territory (or even a just a skirmish system with a few optional pieces for each side), I think it's going to need to have Island of Blood/ Dark Reach quality and quantities of plastic in order to entice ameritrash boardgamers or fence sitters wary of GW's premium prices on characters models.

As a board gamer first and foremost, I'm a cheapskate. Most board gamers seem to be- much more so than war gamers.

HOWEVER- you start filling a box up with lots of pieces and quality components like the space hulk rerelease or some of Fantasy Flgiht's more blinged out games (like 1st edition Descent), suddenly that price tag is a lot less of a barrier.

I'm just not sure how a product like that fits into GW's larger 40k-centric approach.

I think the big thing is the crossover.

Space Hulk is a good board game. It also helps that all the figures can then be transplanted into a 40k army.

1st edition with its ugly termies was my entry point and was the start of my first space marine army (along with a genestealer cult to fight them).

An inquistor's band against some chaos cultists/ genestealers would be a nice entry point like others have said.

Throw in lots of nice plastic pieces and some good options for custom fodder (plus some scenery if we're lucky?) and you'll get those already committed to 40k to pick it up as well.

Couldn't agree more with the above post.

I'm hoping its an Inquisition game as I'd definitely pick it up.

After not realizing the beauty of the Hulk models until it was to late and the price was just to much to justify, I will not be letting this one slip through my fingers as easily.

CW

I'm going to take the pessimistic angle on this and say that GW is going to screw it up somehow in this perfect storm where they release something that is completely the opposite of what players are hoping for.

A supported Inquisimunda 28mm? Skirmishing warbands of models across a cool board full of terrain? Nope.

I have this image in my head of figures standing in static positions on their stat cards in a line in front of the player, with each player rolling "attacks" at each other, while cards representing "thematic terrain" are scattered between them that will modify the dice rolls. If you are lucky you can move a figure from in front of you "snap" onto one of the pieces of terrain, or are moved to be in contact with an opposing figure that they are "fighting in melee combat" with.

They could make a "great" collectible angle to the whole shebang and have the terrain cards and figure cards (accompanying psychic powers and wargear, too?) increase in power/effectiveness as they increase in rarity.

There would be no actual figures released for the game other than a basic core set. You would instead any further be using your 40K figures (so that players are still putting money into the "core" game of 40K, rather than stealing from it). If you want to have your "Space Marine" figure to be a more powerful "Space Marine Veteran with Plasma pistol" you have to buy enough boosters to collect one of the corresponding cards.

Ok, pessimism off. I've had my fun, lol (and scared myself silly with thoughts of how likely GW would be of doing the above idea) .

I too would love to see a skirmish game of 40K come to fruition, if not for the sole purpose of rekindling my nostalgic days of Gorkamorka and Necromunda, but with figures that are easier to get at the present time. I liked the theme of Inquisitor, but not the rules. I am actually an avid fan of the indie-game "In the Emperor's Name", which is basically a rules-light version of 40K skirmish.

That is the most out of left field, unreasonable, and frankly flying rodent gak insane idea I've seen in news and rumors. There's pretty much an equal chance that the mystery box would contain medical waste, or nothing but a crudely scribbled drawing of Jervis Johnson giving you the bird.

 Brother SRM wrote:
That is the most out of left field, unreasonable, and frankly flying rodent gak insane idea I've seen in news and rumors. There's pretty much an equal chance that the mystery box would contain medical waste, or nothing but a crudely scribbled drawing of Jervis Johnson giving you the bird.

Nice vision that!

As universal as the bird is I'm pretty sure if Jervis was going to flip us off it would look something like a peace sign to us Yankees.

And GW could deliver a product that is easier to ship, but just as useful as a box of medical waste to myself, say for example blood bowl

Personally I eagerly await the new box set, in the hope it is something cool.
Nobody expects the inquisition.

That is the most out of left field, unreasonable, and frankly flying rodent gak insane idea I've seen in news and rumors. There's pretty much an equal chance that the mystery box would contain medical waste, or nothing but a crudely scribbled drawing of Jervis Johnson giving you the bird.

Well, it was a snarky post involving the dumbest thing I could possibly think of GW doing with a game, so there's that. Especially as it took several ideas from games I know to have been in development. Hell, if Rackham hadn't screwed up bad enough for some people with their PPP Confrontation, a card/mini game like the goofiness I posted that was exactly their next idea in the pipeline. Don't tell me that GW wouldn't love to make a successful collectible game.

In all reality, I am worried that GW is just going to be over-hyping a "one and done" limited edition box set like Space Hulk and Dreadfleet, which will kind of spit in the face of all the fans that have been lusting for a good 40K skirmish game to be fully supported by GW. I would be much more than pleasantly surprised if this new game ends up being something that remains available for anything more then a woefully short time.

If anything, it would do a lot to reinvigorate my practice of buying 40K products which has dramatically fallen as of late.

A thought occurred to me while at the hobby shop today, mulling over 30 to 50 dollars boxes that contained less figures than I could count on both hands.

An easy way to support a new skirmish game. One that's an entryway drug that still gets people buying into "core" product that eventually leads to bigger and more expensive purchases.

THE RETURN OF BLISTER PACKS.

Smaller sprue sections like the current clamshells, two or three figures that can bolster forces for both games.

But then I remember seeing the 20 dollar individual figures today and know that won't happen.



Plus in the end I couldn't pull the trigger for the GW stuff and got a bunch of inexpensive Reaper blisters. Which then got me all reminiscing about saving my allowance when I was a kid so I could afford to buy a blister pack or two because they were actually affordable for a kid who saved up a few bucks.

Then I started reminiscing even more about all the games that GW used to have on the shelf. Whatever they spring on us, I just hope it's a complete game in and of itself.

 Alpharius wrote:
After all of this, I'm going to be really disappointed f it isn't some sort of 28mm scaled Inquisitor/Warbands/Necromunda-hybrid thing.

No. It's going to be 54mm scale Inquisitor in...



BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!

Seriously, though. It's Dreadfleet in space. Wait and see.

inquisitor skirmish sounds far to awesome to be a resonably priced gateway game....or that could just be GW sense of humour, buy our gateway product to get used to the insain price of our games, infact weve made it so poor value for money that by comparison even failcast blisters will seem like pick and mix! Enjoy kids and remember if your perents dont have credit cards get the feth out of our stores!

sad thing is im probably still going to buy it due too the first six words i typed...lol

 Breotan wrote:
Seriously, though. It's Dreadfleet in space. Wait and see.

Grimfleet 40,000 - In the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, there are only fleets!

Or just call it Battlefleet Gothic?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Seriously, though. It's Dreadfleet in space. Wait and see.

Grimfleet 40,000 - In the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, there are only fleets!

No, if a Grimfleet were in the works, Mantic would have released one a month ago. But they released Bloodbowl first and a 40k skirmish now, so Inquisition it will be

 Kroothawk wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Seriously, though. It's Dreadfleet in space. Wait and see.

Grimfleet 40,000 - In the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, there are only fleets!

No, if a Grimfleet were in the works, Mantic would have released one a month ago. But they released Bloodbowl first and a 40k skirmish now, so Inquisition it will be

Correction, Mantic would have started a Kickstarter that delivers in 6 months.

First of all sorry in advance for grammar mistakes I am not a native English speaker.
I would be very happy if GW puts out game which walks on trails of Gorka Morka, Necromunda etc, because nowdays with insane pricing and, in my opinion, not so good models (I am only playing chaos for a long long time and just cant stand aesthetics of fiends, drakes or lord of skulls or whatever name that abomination has) I dont need anything new and definitely wouldnt consider myself an impulsive buyer. I am occasionally looking on ebay for those OOP chaos raptors cause I never had money to buy them when they were actual (before elongated helm raptors).
I see people mostly think that GW is not going release Inq because lack of big boxes, but wasnt there some talking about forbiding sites to sell bits-and only way to get bits is their boxes. Next we see "probing" of market with those clamp packed single models with prices reaching old rhino price . Maybe they shut down specialist games because they cant support so many systems anymore, market has evolved, long gone are days when they could release two codexes per year without fear of customers losing interest, everything is faster paced nowadays and generally people have much shorter "concentration" period before they lose interest.
So, game like this could fill this space very nicely and I am definitely sure that they are more than capable of releasing great rules because they proved so many times over the years and also if it shows popular they could win back some of the veteran players.
Hope that I managed to present you my view on the situation with my not so great written english.
P.S. It will probably be dreadfleet in spaaace...

It would go nicely hand in hand with the second edition of Dark Heresy.

What about the Rumors that specialist games have been licensed to FFG
I just don't see FFG paying for a license for blood bowl
Blood Bowl doesn't seem to fit for their current range of product.
If true i would expect FFG to release game to compliment their existing line of GW product, fantasy and 40k
So maybe a 40k skirmish game from FFG and a blood bowl game from GW?

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/07/if-fantasy-flight-games-taking-over.html

 Spazz wrote:
What about the Rumors that specialist games have been licensed to FFG

Hogwash. The rumour states GW sold SG to FFG. GW hasn't sold a core IP item in ages. In fact, I don't recall them selling any, ever.

Not to mention SGs are miniature games. Neither GW is willing to give that away, not is FFG interested in those, as shown by DUST.

 Spazz wrote:
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Blood Bowl doesn't seem to fit for their current range of product.

You know that the BB IP is already part of their line, right? They just can't do the minis. If there were any truth to that rumor. this would be a strong asset to FFG. I'm just not sure GW would release any of their minis IP.

My favourite GW games were Necromunda and Gorkamorka.

I think GW realise that skirmish games like Infinity and to a lesser extent, Warmahordes are starting to get ridiculous amounts of attention and create their own corner of the wargaming universe.

Infinity is played with a handful of models and Warmahordes can be played with as few as one or two all the way up to as many as you want.

I think skirmish games is a thing GW can't ignore anymore and I think they're realising that not everyone can afford their three key products.

I for one would like to see a new 40k skirmish game. Blood Bowl has been done to death. If anyone misses it, play the video game. It's pretty much the exact same thing.

Warmahordes has been taking a lot of GW market for a while now. Though it is now more army scale than skirmish scale. Games like infinity, malifaux etc are beating GW into the ground as its cheap and takes less time to play etc.

GW really only has 40k. The hobbit and fantasy may as well not exist.

An inquisitor 28mm skirmish game that is supported and is properly done would be good for GW and would no doubt see them in a bit better light than they currently are.

Puscifer wrote:

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I for one would like to see a new 40k skirmish game. Blood Bowl has been done to death. If anyone misses it, play the video game. It's pretty much the exact same thing.

Sorry but no, not even one bit. My friend who introduced me to BB played the video game. I tried playing the video game, I didn't like it that much. After we tried playing it on the board, I too got hooked. The game is really funny when you are playing it "Old-school", the video game just feels inferior.

On topic: if they did Dreadfleet in space it would be, well, dumb If that's their intentions why would they axe Battlefleet Gothic? Why not simply add new kits the same way we have with the giant kits for 40k armies?

(I guess GW updating one of their specialist games would be too much of an heresy )

 Brother SRM wrote:
or nothing but a crudely scribbled drawing of Jervis Johnson giving you the bird.

Well, rumors have placed John Blanche as having some involvement in this after all...

The recent GW financial reports makes me wonder if they really are going to do a supported ongoing skirmish game. Their business model of 40k support and trying to get as much money out of people before they quit is working. Revenue is stable and they've cut internal costs. Kirby was able to pay himself a huge dividend cheque (another million pounds I think).

My prediction is that this won't be any more supported than their past non-40k/WFB/LOTR game launches. It'll either be a one off like Space Hulk or Dreadfleet or it'll have limited support like the relaunches of Epic or Bloodbowl. It'll get attention in some White Dwarf articles, have a small product line and then get shelved.

It just seems like the perfect product to cannibalize their 40k sales. It's even in the same scale.

At least it looks like GW is starting to take attention of the internet. I'll bet if they actually ARE going to do a 28mm skirmish game, it's in response to how idiotically well skirmish games are doing on kickstarter right now, and finally someone got it though their thick head that GW fans want some of that in the 40K universe. Duh, about time.

It would really be funny if Mantic, with Deadzone, managed to influence GW in something, instead of the other way around.

I really don't see this happening. The boxed set for the end of the year will be The Hobbit Part 2. If there's a second boxed set, I guess Inquisimunda is possible, but I really can't see it being supported for more than, say, three months. It also comes down to their officially allocated shelf space in a standard one-man GW store - which is one of the (many) reasons for the consolidated kits, and probably has a factor in the stuff that goes direct-only.


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 frozenwastes wrote:
The recent GW financial reports makes me wonder if they really are going to do a supported ongoing skirmish game. Their business model of 40k support and trying to get as much money out of people before they quit is working. Revenue is stable and they've cut internal costs. Kirby was able to pay himself a huge dividend cheque (another million pounds I think).

My prediction is that this won't be any more supported than their past non-40k/WFB/LOTR game launches. It'll either be a one off like Space Hulk or Dreadfleet or it'll have limited support like the relaunches of Epic or Bloodbowl. It'll get attention in some White Dwarf articles, have a small product line and then get shelved.

It just seems like the perfect product to cannibalize their 40k sales. It's even in the same scale.

Agreed. I can't see support for anything that they feel might cannibalise 40k sales. Why sell 10-20 plastic figures to someone when you can sell them 50-100?

Agreed. I can't see support for anything that they feel might cannibalise 40k sales. Why sell 10-20 plastic figures to someone when you can sell them 50-100?

Extremely true. The only way I see them stomaching people playing a skirmish ruleset is if it's sold as a way to play with your existing 40K figures while the glue on all your Apocolypse models dries. At least then it's just a different set of rules, while purchasing the models to play it still pads the 40K line.

I still think if it happens, it will be a single release, after which GW disavows any knowledge of it's existence, like Space Hulk.

This is exactly what I was thinking as well. I would love to see a skirmish game from GW set in the Inquisitor 40K setting with plastic minis. I don't think that they will support it after an initial boxed release but it would be nice to get some unique or individual looking sculpts without buying $25 finecast models for each mini in a war band. Here's hoping that we'll find out one way or the other if there is a new game coming this year.

Guys, the OP said this was meant to be a gateway game. Like, something to buy and use 40k models in on a smaller scale.

They don't need to support the game. All they need are rules for a bunch of stuff from each race that's sensible at a skirmish level (I mean, including something liek a Hive Tyrant in this would not work, but Tyranid Primes and Broodlords, as well as anything smaller, would come to the fore), a bunch of generic missions, and let the community do what it will with it. The included models would simply be there so there's models in the box for people who have none yet (the people tha game is aimed at).

So it's there to cannibalize Dark Vengeance sales then?

Only if you don't understand the difference between a gateway game and a starter set.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

I still think if it happens, it will be a single release, after which GW disavows any knowledge of it's existence, like Space Hulk.

Space Hulk may have been to whet people's appetite for a corridor based game. A couple of years later Zone Mortalis comes out with the added benefit to them of selling the walls rather than just flat tiles.

If they put out a set of plastics like they did with Space Hulk that are compatible with 40k minis then they kill two birds with one stone. They get another avenue to bring people into the bigger game and hobby, and they make existing players and collectors want to buy the game for the minis. It also makes the existing community happy in that they get unique figures at presumably cheaper cost than hard plastic or resin.

 -Loki- wrote:
Only if you don't understand the difference between a gateway game and a starter set.

Well, when a GW employee finishes the demo game at the store and puts a product into the customer's hands, it's usually Dark Vengeance, so if they instead put a Inquisition box in their hand, they've just cannibalized a sale.

The difference with a gateway game is it lets you capture a different type of player.

If someone sees the prices and simply decides an army is a no go, selling them a skirmish game that can use the majority of th 40k range is a great alternative, because it will probably lead to them buying an army after being drip fed smaller purchases.

If someone wants to have their Inquisitors fight a Genestealer Cult, and they end up buying a box of Genestealers and a Broodlord, maybe then expanding it to general Tyranids as well, adding some Warriors and Gaunts, they might then notice they have enough for a small army, and decide to get into the main game anyway.

it's a different way of hooking people who are against the high price of a full army.

Is there any evidence that GW is going to deviate from their current method and embrace the one you are suggesting?

cadbren wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

I still think if it happens, it will be a single release, after which GW disavows any knowledge of it's existence, like Space Hulk.

Space Hulk may have been to whet people's appetite for a corridor based game. A couple of years later Zone Mortalis comes out with the added benefit to them of selling the walls rather than just flat tiles.

If they put out a set of plastics like they did with Space Hulk that are compatible with 40k minis then they kill two birds with one stone. They get another avenue to bring people into the bigger game and hobby, and they make existing players and collectors want to buy the game for the minis. It also makes the existing community happy in that they get unique figures at presumably cheaper cost than hard plastic or resin.

This is an excellent point. I already bought the DV boxed set and the Space Hulk Box. I will buy an Inquisition Boxed game to get more minis and another game. It's not necessarily a gateway game for me, I'm already in hook, line and sinker. I really just want something that plays a little differently in the setting that I already love. I have no interest in Apocalypse at all and loved Necromunda. I really hope this rumor turns out to be true.

 -Loki- wrote:
Only if you don't understand the difference between a gateway game and a starter set.

DV is a starter set, to teach people the rules of the game. Inquisition would be a gateway game, with a different set of rules, but to teach people about the setting (manking vs xenos, mutants, heretics, grimdark, Imperium) so they can graduate to DV for larger scale combat in the GDotFF.

Setting wise, the best bet would be to have an Ordo Xenos, Malleus, and Hereticus inquisitor to choose from, 9-12 acolytes to pick 3-4 for a retinue, then say an enemy faction for each of the three, with a boss model, some elites, and a bunch of scrubs. Say Xenos would be a Genestealer patriarch, 2-3 Purebloods, and 10ish genestealer cultists. Malleus would have to deal with a Daemonhost, some sorcerers, and chaos cultists. Hereticus would face off against say an Apostate preacher, some big mutants, and a mix of lesser mutants.

What month of the year did Space Hulk and Dread Fleet get released? And was the Hobbit set released during the same month?

 -Loki- wrote:
Guys, the OP said this was meant to be a gateway game. Like, something to buy and use 40k models in on a smaller scale.

They don't need to support the game. All they need are rules for a bunch of stuff from each race that's sensible at a skirmish level (I mean, including something liek a Hive Tyrant in this would not work, but Tyranid Primes and Broodlords, as well as anything smaller, would come to the fore), a bunch of generic missions, and let the community do what it will with it. The included models would simply be there so there's models in the box for people who have none yet (the people tha game is aimed at).

Regardless of what the OP said, I can't see them keeping another game in print, given their current mindset. Something to buy and use 40k models in a smaller scale - in any kind of broad manner just doesn't jibe. The "gateway" game is Dark Vengeance, since it comes with a couple of starter forces and scenarios and is there to encourage you to increase those forces.

Honestly, I think even an Inquisimunda-type game would likely be more boardgame-oriented (a la Space Hulk), if only to discourage an ease of expansion into using your Tyranids and Blood Angels, etc in it as well. They absolutely don't/won't want support in taking things from 40k>New Game, because then it will be an alternative, not a "gateway". I mean, they even took characters' points values out of the Hobbit Goblin Town starter box mini-rulebook.


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 -Loki- wrote:
The difference with a gateway game is it lets you capture a different type of player.

If someone sees the prices and simply decides an army is a no go, selling them a skirmish game that can use the majority of th 40k range is a great alternative, because it will probably lead to them buying an army after being drip fed smaller purchases.

If someone wants to have their Inquisitors fight a Genestealer Cult, and they end up buying a box of Genestealers and a Broodlord, maybe then expanding it to general Tyranids as well, adding some Warriors and Gaunts, they might then notice they have enough for a small army, and decide to get into the main game anyway.

it's a different way of hooking people who are against the high price of a full army.

Not going to happen. They want you to buy Dark Vengeance, a Battalion box, a couple of extras (tank, flyer, large monster, another troops), and a paint set. At that point they're happy enough if you just fall off a bridge. If' you stick around after that, you can buy another one of all of the above, and paint them red this time.

Anything that allows you to use stuff from the majority of the 40k range in would be far too big in scope and need of support to ever happen, and the risk of people stopping there is too large. They want us going from 40k to Apocalypse, not from 40k to Inquisimunda.

If something was going to be released, when is the public likely to hear about it? End of August?

 Azazelx wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Guys, the OP said this was meant to be a gateway game. Like, something to buy and use 40k models in on a smaller scale.

They don't need to support the game. All they need are rules for a bunch of stuff from each race that's sensible at a skirmish level (I mean, including something liek a Hive Tyrant in this would not work, but Tyranid Primes and Broodlords, as well as anything smaller, would come to the fore), a bunch of generic missions, and let the community do what it will with it. The included models would simply be there so there's models in the box for people who have none yet (the people tha game is aimed at).

Regardless of what the OP said, I can't see them keeping another game in print, given their current mindset. Something to buy and use 40k models in a smaller scale - in any kind of broad manner just doesn't jibe. The "gateway" game is Dark Vengeance, since it comes with a couple of starter forces and scenarios and is there to encourage you to increase those forces.

Honestly, I think even an Inquisimunda-type game would likely be more boardgame-oriented (a la Space Hulk), if only to discourage an ease of expansion into using your Tyranids and Blood Angels, etc in it as well. They absolutely don't/won't want support in taking things from 40k>New Game, because then it will be an alternative, not a "gateway". I mean, they even took characters' points values out of the Hobbit Goblin Town starter box mini-rulebook.


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 -Loki- wrote:
The difference with a gateway game is it lets you capture a different type of player.

If someone sees the prices and simply decides an army is a no go, selling them a skirmish game that can use the majority of th 40k range is a great alternative, because it will probably lead to them buying an army after being drip fed smaller purchases.

If someone wants to have their Inquisitors fight a Genestealer Cult, and they end up buying a box of Genestealers and a Broodlord, maybe then expanding it to general Tyranids as well, adding some Warriors and Gaunts, they might then notice they have enough for a small army, and decide to get into the main game anyway.

it's a different way of hooking people who are against the high price of a full army.

Not going to happen. They want you to buy Dark Vengeance, a Battalion box, a couple of extras (tank, flyer, large monster, another troops), and a paint set. At that point they're happy enough if you just fall off a bridge. If' you stick around after that, you can buy another one of all of the above, and paint them red this time.

Anything that allows you to use stuff from the majority of the 40k range in would be far too big in scope and need of support to ever happen, and the risk of people stopping there is too large. They want us going from 40k to Apocalypse, not from 40k to Inquisimunda.

Yes, but the hope(and most will acknowledge that it's probably in vain) is that they recognise how bugf*** insane that attitude is and are making at least token moves towards re-entering the fairly substantial chunk of the market they pulled out of with their abandonment and eventual eradication of the Specialist Games. Warmachine began as a skirmish ruleset, and it's now overtaken WHF in the US and is nipping at its heels elsewhere in the world, and skirmish games in general are flourishing - combined with another year of flat revenue and declining unit sales even in the face of massive cost-cutting, the usual price hike, and an enhanced release schedule, well, money talks, the question is; are GW listening?

What if it is an Apocalypse skirmish game? you only need 5 Titans per side to play this game

 Yodhrin wrote:

Yes, but the hope(and most will acknowledge that it's probably in vain) is that they recognise how bugf*** insane that attitude is and are making at least token moves towards re-entering the fairly substantial chunk of the market they pulled out of with their abandonment and eventual eradication of the Specialist Games. Warmachine began as a skirmish ruleset, and it's now overtaken WHF in the US and is nipping at its heels elsewhere in the world, and skirmish games in general are flourishing - combined with another year of flat revenue and declining unit sales even in the face of massive cost-cutting, the usual price hike, and an enhanced release schedule, well, money talks, the question is; are GW listening?

What's WarMachine? Is that a Pokemon character? Who remembers Pokemon these days, anyway?

 -Loki- wrote:
They don't need to support the game.

This is the big thing. Who really thinks they'd support it?

This is a one-and-done.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
They don't need to support the game.

This is the big thing. Who really thinks they'd support it?

This is a one-and-done.

Unsupported. How about instead of space hulk, it was space cathedral. sisters vs. some temple defiling group.
That would make a strong one and done.


I feel like I just cast and old april fools 1/2 level spell, a Melissa summoning spell.

 frozenwastes wrote:
What month of the year did Space Hulk and Dread Fleet get released? And was the Hobbit set released during the same month?

Space Hulk 3rd Edition: August 17, 2009

Dreadfleet: 1 October 2011

I believe the Hobbit rulebook and some stuff was available in December 2012, with a larger release in February 2013. I can't find exact dates to back that up, though.

How much support would an inquisitor game require? Write the rulebook and make some minis for it. If it sells well they could write and expansion a year down the road. Even if they only make a rulebook for it they make money off the book and some models. If you have the rulebook you can play the game and make new missions up. Seems like a much better idea then making another fantasy version of a TT game about a modern sport and butchering it terribly.

 Davespil wrote:
Seems like a much better idea then making another fantasy version of a TT game about a modern sport and butchering it terribly.

Blood Bowl is NOT a fantasy version of American Handegg.

I am 100% all for a game in the 40k universe where the total cost to play the full game is lower. But not if it is a limited edition game that is gone once the print run sells out. And not even if it gets slowly shelved and ignored like the specialist games line. And if the support basically amounts to "hey, buy a 40k box set and just use those models" then GW is going to see that no one buys Inquisition stuff, but buys 40k stuff. And if there are new supplements that are either iPad only or direct only, then it won't work with "pay where you play" approach for those who frequent an independent retailer.

We know GW isn't going to go hat-in-hand to the traditional distributors. Kirby bragged in last year's financials about how smart it was to go direct and cut out the distributors, so that means if retailers want this, they have to deal with GW's unwillingness to sell it to them.

And if it is regularly available for years to come at the local GW stores, it directly competes with 40k for the demo sales process. And if the game has an overall lower cost, then GW is shifting people from a high-revenue sales track to a low revenue one. I don't think they'll do that.

I don't think we'll see anything other than a Space Hulk style one-off with the occasional iPad only supplement and some characters that also work fine with 40k.

Once a company makes a game, they have zero obligation to 'support' it. I'm curious when this attitude of eternal support came about. Maybe TSR is to blame.

If its good, people will play it for years. I still play Space Hulk, and certainly don't need, or even want, an expansion for it. I'm very pleased that there isn't a years worth of WD articles with additions, errata, supplements, etc. because I don't want to buy WD.

If they make a one-shot Inquisitor box, with great figures, and sell out of it (and it will) how is that not a good business move? Personally I think the 40K and Fantasy model is straight up WRONG. A game system that requires you to buy book after book to have a complete ruleset? When AD&D started the trend of separate rulebooks for player and DM it at least made sense, but in 40K there's no umpire that needs 'hidden' information. A player of a game should have access to all the rules. Right?

I'm pretty sure a big box skirmish game, even an unsupported one-shot, would entice new players, and even expatriate players that have left 'the GW Hobby'.

Looks like a re-release of Space hulk.
Lets hope the models are NOT done in finecast.

I'm pretty sure a big box skirmish game, even an unsupported one-shot, would entice new players

If such a game was to be released it would do virtually nothing to entice new players since like Space Hulk and Dreadfleet it would be sold only in GW stores and therefore mostly to existing customers. The tiny fraction of first time walk-in customers buying such a game would be miniscule.

And since most of the customers for such a game would be existing GW customers, sales would be limited to those with an interest in buying something outside their usual purchasing patterns. If the game is of interest to a lot of existing GW customers (e.g., Space Hulk) they might sell tens of thousands of copies, if it's not (e.g., Dreadfleet) they'll sell a few thousand at most and be stuck with the rest. Even if it's a hit like Space Hulk not every GW customer will buy one due to lack of interest, cost, etc. Even Space Hulk as popular as it was didn't fully sell out. GW brought some to US Games Day the following summer months after it was removed from sale.

The fact that this topic thread is now 14 pages long when there is still no confirmation at all that there will be a "mystery box" release this year is amusing. If there is one and it's, say, Bloodbowl, people discussing an Inquisitor game invested a lot of time for nothing. If there's no "mystery box" at all this year all the people who've been closely following this thread really invested a lot of time over nothing.

Personally, I've been glancing at this thread very infrequently just to see if there was anything new and worthwhile in it. You know, looking for some actual news or a solid rumor. Today is the first time I looked at it in a week or so. I jumped right to the last page of posts as I generally do, skipping over everything else figuring that the latest few posts would be a good indicator of whether or not there was any actual known and useful information posted somewhere before it which I could then go back and look at. As I expected, there apparently has been none. Glad I didn't waste my time actually looking through the thread.

dkellyj wrote:
Looks like a re-release of Space hulk.

How so? did i miss something?

dkellyj wrote:
Looks like a re-release of Space hulk.
Lets hope the models are NOT done in finecast.

Because GW is well-known for all its finecast boxed games. Seriously, if you have even been half paying attention to anything GW releases, you must have noticed it is always, without fail, plastic!

 Desubot wrote:

dkellyj wrote:
Looks like a re-release of Space hulk.

How so? did i miss something?

Don't feed the trolls.

Space Hulk the VIDEO GAME is being released on August 15. You can advance order from Steam. There is no indication of a Space Hulk boxed game re-release. That would be risky for GW since the thousands of us who already bought it in 2009 would not be buying it this time around. It would sell a fraction of the copies it did in 2009 if they re-released it so soon.

Space Hulk link:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/242570

Dr Mathias wrote:Once a company makes a game, they have zero obligation to 'support' it. I'm curious when this attitude of eternal support came about. Maybe TSR is to blame.

There are a few factors involved.

One is that ongoing product releases are a vote of confidence. I know that product lines that get new releases year-in, year-out are actually played by people. There are opponents out there. Otherwise the company wouldn't be spending money designing and publishing the products. If a company makes a game and then does nothing after, it's because they believe it's not worth the capital. And what's the only way it's not worth the capital? if it's not selling well enough to merit future purchases. Or in the case of GW, they don't want to allocate production to something that might cannibalize 40k.

The second is that in many places, hobby gaming is tied to organized events at local stores. And you need product releases to give the store something to sell. If products are all one-offs with no follow up support, then those interested will get the game and that will be the end of the revenue stream. And in many places, that'll mean that the local community surrounding the game will dry up as less and less places will be available to play.

If its good, people will play it for years. I still play Space Hulk, and certainly don't need, or even want, an expansion for it. I'm very pleased that there isn't a years worth of WD articles with additions, errata, supplements, etc. because I don't want to buy WD.

You missed out on the 1st Ed golden age of Space Hulk. it was well supported and people were making all sorts of custom forces. There were two major expansions as well as WD support, there was also the Citadel Journal articles.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Once a company makes a game, they have zero obligation to 'support' it. I'm curious when this attitude of eternal support came about. Maybe TSR is to blame.
If its good, people will play it for years. I still play Space Hulk, and certainly don't need, or even want, an expansion for it. I'm very pleased that there isn't a years worth of WD articles with additions, errata, supplements, etc. because I don't want to buy WD.
If they make a one-shot Inquisitor box, with great figures, and sell out of it (and it will) how is that not a good business move? Personally I think the 40K and Fantasy model is straight up WRONG. A game system that requires you to buy book after book to have a complete ruleset? When AD&D started the trend of separate rulebooks for player and DM it at least made sense, but in 40K there's no umpire that needs 'hidden' information. A player of a game should have access to all the rules. Right?
I'm pretty sure a big box skirmish game, even an unsupported one-shot, would entice new players, and even expatriate players that have left 'the GW Hobby'.

I'm actually happy with "one-box" games, particularly boardgames. By "support", we're kinda talking about two different things in this thread, though:


1) People are talking about "with the option to use all their 40k stuff". Now think about how much 40k stuff there actually is. Even 40k doesn't seem to be big enough to support all the 40k stuff these days. It would take years, even if you cut out all the dreadnoughts, tanks, and Carnifexes. Can you see GW making a game that uses cheap plastic troop-type 40k figures but doesn't allow Helldrakes and DreadKnights and WraithKnights? Yeah, me too!

2) Support in the context of the game actually, you know, remaining available. Dread Fleet and The Hobbit are both still available, but for all the wrong reasons. Space Hulk is an utter bitch to get hold of, on the other hand.

I can maybe see a "one-box" game, but then again, I'm expecting the Hobbit to be their boxed games for Christmas 2013 and 2014 - due to probable contractual obligations if nothing else...

Once a company makes a game, they have zero obligation to 'support' it. I'm curious when this attitude of eternal support came about. Maybe TSR is to blame.

I have no idea how long you have been in the hobby, so don't take this as an insult, but you must have missed the glory days of Specialist Games in it's prime. Those days (and 40K at the same time period) was GW at their game-supporting best. Specialist games actually had their own mini-mag, as well as some of their main games like Battlefleet Gothic, Necromunda, and Mordheim.

Now we get stuff that only people with Ipads can access........blarf.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Once a company makes a game, they have zero obligation to 'support' it. I'm curious when this attitude of eternal support came about. Maybe TSR is to blame.

I have no idea how long you have been in the hobby, so don't take this as an insult, but you must have missed the glory days of Specialist Games in it's prime. Those days (and 40K at the same time period) was GW at their game-supporting best. Specialist games actually had their own mini-mag, as well as some of their main games like Battlefleet Gothic, Necromunda, and Mordheim.

In other words, when GW was at its best

Tons of people beg to differ, but that's definitely my opinion. GW used to support the hell out of their IP. Now they just kind of pimp it.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Now we get stuff that only people with Ipads can access........blarf.

Which things are those? I was of the understanding that all of the new digital products existed as regular eBooks as well.

 cincydooley wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Now we get stuff that only people with Ipads can access........blarf.

Which things are those? I was of the understanding that all of the new digital products existed as regular eBooks as well.

That and Space Hulk is PC as well.

 cincydooley wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Now we get stuff that only people with Ipads can access........blarf.

Which things are those? I was of the understanding that all of the new digital products existed as regular eBooks as well.

I think the only "core" Codex available at the moment is Eldar.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions?page=1

Vetric wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Now we get stuff that only people with Ipads can access........blarf.

Which things are those? I was of the understanding that all of the new digital products existed as regular eBooks as well.

I think the only "core" Codex available at the moment is Eldar.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions?page=1

It sounds like everything from now on will be.

 Azazelx wrote:

Anything that allows you to use stuff from the majority of the 40k range in would be far too big in scope and need of support to ever happen, and the risk of people stopping there is too large. They want us going from 40k to Apocalypse, not from 40k to Inquisimunda.

40k allows for smaller games already. If this were not so then GW would have made the foc stipulate higher minimums. Rules would be written to make games below say 1500 points impossible to play. They don't do that, instead they build up how better the larger games are and rely on wow factor to get people buying more to play larger games.

Having a dedicated skirmish game would not take people away, it would bring in people who currently don't like the wargamming style of the current rules or aren't interested in Space Marines - the main faction any newbie hears about. Inquisimunda as you put it does not need to be big in scope at all. It needs rules to assemble an Inquisition force and rules for a chaos or xenos one. I think cultists would be best.
Existing fans would buy the game as it's part of the wider universe they are familiar with. New people, wanting to learn more about the wider 40k universe would become interested in 40k and learn about Black Library and Forge World.

yeah,
I hate this gak...

 pretre wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

dkellyj wrote:
Looks like a re-release of Space hulk.

stupid question?...

Don't feed the trolls.

Don't be so stupid... you sound like an auto-Troll!...
Have you actually considered his post properly and evaluated its value?

He's right Space Hulk 1.2 would sell out.
and in two years time Space HulK 1.3 will sell out too...

SOLD!!! to the auto-trolls!

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
I hate this gak...

 pretre wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

dkellyj wrote:
Looks like a re-release of Space hulk.

stupid question?...

Don't feed the trolls.

Don't be so stupid... you sound like an auto-Troll!...
Have you actually considered his post properly and evaluated its value?

He's right Space Hulk 1.2 would sell out.
and in two years time Space HulK 1.3 will sell out too...

SOLD!!! to the auto-trolls!

Panic...

Ok, so did you read the comment?
The reason the guy is being called a troll is because in a thread based around the notion that Space Hulk is not being re-released, and another game is being discussed, he randomly says the contrary with no cause or evidence like it's obvious.

 frozenwastes wrote:

Dr Mathias wrote:If its good, people will play it for years. I still play Space Hulk, and certainly don't need, or even want, an expansion for it. I'm very pleased that there isn't a years worth of WD articles with additions, errata, supplements, etc. because I don't want to buy WD.

You missed out on the 1st Ed golden age of Space Hulk. it was well supported and people were making all sorts of custom forces. There were two major expansions as well as WD support, there was also the Citadel Journal articles.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Once a company makes a game, they have zero obligation to 'support' it. I'm curious when this attitude of eternal support came about. Maybe TSR is to blame.

I have no idea how long you have been in the hobby, so don't take this as an insult, but you must have missed the glory days of Specialist Games in it's prime. Those days (and 40K at the same time period) was GW at their game-supporting best. Specialist games actually had their own mini-mag, as well as some of their main games like Battlefleet Gothic, Necromunda, and Mordheim.

Just wanted to clarify that I've been playing GW games for over 20 years, with an absence during 4th and early 5th edition 40K. I fondly recall the glory days of Space Hulk (of which I own all the editions) and I have seven Necromunda gangs. I liked all the extra stuff in Citadel Journal, all the various magazines like Gang War and Planet Killer etc. I was a voracious GorkaMorka and Battlefleet Gothic player. I was happy to buy WD for many, many years.

But, I also like "Bommerz", Block Mania (admitting one expansion and a WD article for that) and the other one-shot games, even the Dark Eldar gladiator rules published in WD.

I'm just saying I think its okay for a company to produce a standalone game, no fuss, no expansions, no implicit support for years to come.

I don't think a 40K setting skirmish would cannibalize 40K. I think if done right, GW games can cross-pollinate. Using Necromunda gangs as IG, or Gorkamorka orcs for 40K, are examples that did happen, and not infrequently.

Maybe my expectations are skewed because I play historical games like AK-47 Republic and The Sword and the Flame that don't have massive (or any) producer support, yet remain popular within the historical playerbase (which I will fully admit is much smaller, and maybe even irrelevant for this comparison).

As another posted, this thread is pretty long, and kind of odd considering lack of substance, so I shouldn't have said anything

I get what you are saying, but with historicals, the risk is so much lower than with sci-fi or fantasy from a specific universe. It's so much easier to use your existing figures and try a new historical rules set as you'll never be left with figures from a very specific universe that don't work well with other figure lines in the future.

cadbren wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Anything that allows you to use stuff from the majority of the 40k range in would be far too big in scope and need of support to ever happen, and the risk of people stopping there is too large. They want us going from 40k to Apocalypse, not from 40k to Inquisimunda.

40k allows for smaller games already. If this were not so then GW would have made the foc stipulate higher minimums. Rules would be written to make games below say 1500 points impossible to play. They don't do that, instead they build up how better the larger games are and rely on wow factor to get people buying more to play larger games.

Having a dedicated skirmish game would not take people away, it would bring in people who currently don't like the wargamming style of the current rules or aren't interested in Space Marines - the main faction any newbie hears about. Inquisimunda as you put it does not need to be big in scope at all. It needs rules to assemble an Inquisition force and rules for a chaos or xenos one. I think cultists would be best.
Existing fans would buy the game as it's part of the wider universe they are familiar with. New people, wanting to learn more about the wider 40k universe would become interested in 40k and learn about Black Library and Forge World.

You seem to be agreeing with me while trying to disagree??

I agree that any Inquisimunda game would be small in scope. Say, Inquisitors vs Cultists, and few to no additional rules as they wouldn't want people bringing their Tyranids and Eldar into it, but instead turning their Inquisitors and Cultists into 500-pt armies from the Grey Knights and Chaos codices, and up and away from there.

Having said that, I can't see anything being "dedicated" to beyond a three-month limited splash release window.

It would be great if they made a 40k skirmish game and took the opurtunity
to produce genestealer culists, squats, sisters of battle and other beloved
relics of GWs haydays that would not interfere with regular 40k sales.
Perhaps some sweet servants of omnissiah!

But this would prove that GW acknowledge the existence of those nostalgic bits
and the good players of dakka would surely read profhesies of doom and/or revelation
in such a release.

There's no doom. And no one is predicting doom. I keep reading things like "good players of dakka would surely read prophecies of doom" but no one actually ever predicting doom. Even in the threads about GW's financials. Or a thread complaining about prices.

This idea that there's a subset of Dakka members that see the end of GW around every corner just isn't true.

What I don't see is a place for this new game in their current business model unless they go for another limited run like Space Hulk or price it so high that the lower model count is off set by much higher prices. They need to get a certain amount of revenue for each person who starts and part of 40k and WFB's purpose is to be a high model count game in order to sell the idea of buying a greater quantity of models.

 frozenwastes wrote:
There's no doom. And no one is predicting doom. I keep reading things like "good players of dakka would surely read prophecies of doom" but no one actually ever predicting doom. Even in the threads about GW's financials. Or a thread complaining about prices.

This idea that there's a subset of Dakka members that see the end of GW around every corner just isn't true.

It is called "Reductio ad absurdum", a few GW White Knights are incapable of admitting their beloved's failings so they kind of have to resort to that type of "argument" to try and discredit its critics.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

The fact that this topic thread is now 14 pages long when there is still no confirmation at all that there will be a "mystery box" release this year is amusing. If there is one and it's, say, Bloodbowl, people discussing an Inquisitor game invested a lot of time for nothing. If there's no "mystery box" at all this year all the people who've been closely following this thread really invested a lot of time over nothing.

You are correct. This thread is a discussion about a rumour in its purest form. It is not news. However I don't believe it is All for not. As is true with all conversations this is a sharing of ideas. It has allowed many people the opportunity to express their feelings of excitement and frustration, hopes and dreads, or opinions in general about a shared interest. For these reasons I have found it quite useful.

Again you are right. This may never materialize into anything tangible, but I would argue that the fact that it has caught the attention of so many people and produced 14 pages worth of ideas makes it something.