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It would go nicely hand in hand with the second edition of Dark Heresy.

What about the Rumors that specialist games have been licensed to FFG
I just don't see FFG paying for a license for blood bowl
Blood Bowl doesn't seem to fit for their current range of product.
If true i would expect FFG to release game to compliment their existing line of GW product, fantasy and 40k
So maybe a 40k skirmish game from FFG and a blood bowl game from GW?

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/07/if-fantasy-flight-games-taking-over.html

 Spazz wrote:
What about the Rumors that specialist games have been licensed to FFG

Hogwash. The rumour states GW sold SG to FFG. GW hasn't sold a core IP item in ages. In fact, I don't recall them selling any, ever.

Not to mention SGs are miniature games. Neither GW is willing to give that away, not is FFG interested in those, as shown by DUST.

 Spazz wrote:
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Blood Bowl doesn't seem to fit for their current range of product.

You know that the BB IP is already part of their line, right? They just can't do the minis. If there were any truth to that rumor. this would be a strong asset to FFG. I'm just not sure GW would release any of their minis IP.

My favourite GW games were Necromunda and Gorkamorka.

I think GW realise that skirmish games like Infinity and to a lesser extent, Warmahordes are starting to get ridiculous amounts of attention and create their own corner of the wargaming universe.

Infinity is played with a handful of models and Warmahordes can be played with as few as one or two all the way up to as many as you want.

I think skirmish games is a thing GW can't ignore anymore and I think they're realising that not everyone can afford their three key products.

I for one would like to see a new 40k skirmish game. Blood Bowl has been done to death. If anyone misses it, play the video game. It's pretty much the exact same thing.

Warmahordes has been taking a lot of GW market for a while now. Though it is now more army scale than skirmish scale. Games like infinity, malifaux etc are beating GW into the ground as its cheap and takes less time to play etc.

GW really only has 40k. The hobbit and fantasy may as well not exist.

An inquisitor 28mm skirmish game that is supported and is properly done would be good for GW and would no doubt see them in a bit better light than they currently are.

Puscifer wrote:

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I for one would like to see a new 40k skirmish game. Blood Bowl has been done to death. If anyone misses it, play the video game. It's pretty much the exact same thing.

Sorry but no, not even one bit. My friend who introduced me to BB played the video game. I tried playing the video game, I didn't like it that much. After we tried playing it on the board, I too got hooked. The game is really funny when you are playing it "Old-school", the video game just feels inferior.

On topic: if they did Dreadfleet in space it would be, well, dumb If that's their intentions why would they axe Battlefleet Gothic? Why not simply add new kits the same way we have with the giant kits for 40k armies?

(I guess GW updating one of their specialist games would be too much of an heresy )

 Brother SRM wrote:
or nothing but a crudely scribbled drawing of Jervis Johnson giving you the bird.

Well, rumors have placed John Blanche as having some involvement in this after all...

The recent GW financial reports makes me wonder if they really are going to do a supported ongoing skirmish game. Their business model of 40k support and trying to get as much money out of people before they quit is working. Revenue is stable and they've cut internal costs. Kirby was able to pay himself a huge dividend cheque (another million pounds I think).

My prediction is that this won't be any more supported than their past non-40k/WFB/LOTR game launches. It'll either be a one off like Space Hulk or Dreadfleet or it'll have limited support like the relaunches of Epic or Bloodbowl. It'll get attention in some White Dwarf articles, have a small product line and then get shelved.

It just seems like the perfect product to cannibalize their 40k sales. It's even in the same scale.

At least it looks like GW is starting to take attention of the internet. I'll bet if they actually ARE going to do a 28mm skirmish game, it's in response to how idiotically well skirmish games are doing on kickstarter right now, and finally someone got it though their thick head that GW fans want some of that in the 40K universe. Duh, about time.

It would really be funny if Mantic, with Deadzone, managed to influence GW in something, instead of the other way around.

I really don't see this happening. The boxed set for the end of the year will be The Hobbit Part 2. If there's a second boxed set, I guess Inquisimunda is possible, but I really can't see it being supported for more than, say, three months. It also comes down to their officially allocated shelf space in a standard one-man GW store - which is one of the (many) reasons for the consolidated kits, and probably has a factor in the stuff that goes direct-only.


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 frozenwastes wrote:
The recent GW financial reports makes me wonder if they really are going to do a supported ongoing skirmish game. Their business model of 40k support and trying to get as much money out of people before they quit is working. Revenue is stable and they've cut internal costs. Kirby was able to pay himself a huge dividend cheque (another million pounds I think).

My prediction is that this won't be any more supported than their past non-40k/WFB/LOTR game launches. It'll either be a one off like Space Hulk or Dreadfleet or it'll have limited support like the relaunches of Epic or Bloodbowl. It'll get attention in some White Dwarf articles, have a small product line and then get shelved.

It just seems like the perfect product to cannibalize their 40k sales. It's even in the same scale.

Agreed. I can't see support for anything that they feel might cannibalise 40k sales. Why sell 10-20 plastic figures to someone when you can sell them 50-100?

Agreed. I can't see support for anything that they feel might cannibalise 40k sales. Why sell 10-20 plastic figures to someone when you can sell them 50-100?

Extremely true. The only way I see them stomaching people playing a skirmish ruleset is if it's sold as a way to play with your existing 40K figures while the glue on all your Apocolypse models dries. At least then it's just a different set of rules, while purchasing the models to play it still pads the 40K line.

I still think if it happens, it will be a single release, after which GW disavows any knowledge of it's existence, like Space Hulk.

This is exactly what I was thinking as well. I would love to see a skirmish game from GW set in the Inquisitor 40K setting with plastic minis. I don't think that they will support it after an initial boxed release but it would be nice to get some unique or individual looking sculpts without buying $25 finecast models for each mini in a war band. Here's hoping that we'll find out one way or the other if there is a new game coming this year.

Guys, the OP said this was meant to be a gateway game. Like, something to buy and use 40k models in on a smaller scale.

They don't need to support the game. All they need are rules for a bunch of stuff from each race that's sensible at a skirmish level (I mean, including something liek a Hive Tyrant in this would not work, but Tyranid Primes and Broodlords, as well as anything smaller, would come to the fore), a bunch of generic missions, and let the community do what it will with it. The included models would simply be there so there's models in the box for people who have none yet (the people tha game is aimed at).

So it's there to cannibalize Dark Vengeance sales then?

Only if you don't understand the difference between a gateway game and a starter set.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

I still think if it happens, it will be a single release, after which GW disavows any knowledge of it's existence, like Space Hulk.

Space Hulk may have been to whet people's appetite for a corridor based game. A couple of years later Zone Mortalis comes out with the added benefit to them of selling the walls rather than just flat tiles.

If they put out a set of plastics like they did with Space Hulk that are compatible with 40k minis then they kill two birds with one stone. They get another avenue to bring people into the bigger game and hobby, and they make existing players and collectors want to buy the game for the minis. It also makes the existing community happy in that they get unique figures at presumably cheaper cost than hard plastic or resin.

 -Loki- wrote:
Only if you don't understand the difference between a gateway game and a starter set.

Well, when a GW employee finishes the demo game at the store and puts a product into the customer's hands, it's usually Dark Vengeance, so if they instead put a Inquisition box in their hand, they've just cannibalized a sale.

The difference with a gateway game is it lets you capture a different type of player.

If someone sees the prices and simply decides an army is a no go, selling them a skirmish game that can use the majority of th 40k range is a great alternative, because it will probably lead to them buying an army after being drip fed smaller purchases.

If someone wants to have their Inquisitors fight a Genestealer Cult, and they end up buying a box of Genestealers and a Broodlord, maybe then expanding it to general Tyranids as well, adding some Warriors and Gaunts, they might then notice they have enough for a small army, and decide to get into the main game anyway.

it's a different way of hooking people who are against the high price of a full army.

Is there any evidence that GW is going to deviate from their current method and embrace the one you are suggesting?

cadbren wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

I still think if it happens, it will be a single release, after which GW disavows any knowledge of it's existence, like Space Hulk.

Space Hulk may have been to whet people's appetite for a corridor based game. A couple of years later Zone Mortalis comes out with the added benefit to them of selling the walls rather than just flat tiles.

If they put out a set of plastics like they did with Space Hulk that are compatible with 40k minis then they kill two birds with one stone. They get another avenue to bring people into the bigger game and hobby, and they make existing players and collectors want to buy the game for the minis. It also makes the existing community happy in that they get unique figures at presumably cheaper cost than hard plastic or resin.

This is an excellent point. I already bought the DV boxed set and the Space Hulk Box. I will buy an Inquisition Boxed game to get more minis and another game. It's not necessarily a gateway game for me, I'm already in hook, line and sinker. I really just want something that plays a little differently in the setting that I already love. I have no interest in Apocalypse at all and loved Necromunda. I really hope this rumor turns out to be true.

 -Loki- wrote:
Only if you don't understand the difference between a gateway game and a starter set.

DV is a starter set, to teach people the rules of the game. Inquisition would be a gateway game, with a different set of rules, but to teach people about the setting (manking vs xenos, mutants, heretics, grimdark, Imperium) so they can graduate to DV for larger scale combat in the GDotFF.

Setting wise, the best bet would be to have an Ordo Xenos, Malleus, and Hereticus inquisitor to choose from, 9-12 acolytes to pick 3-4 for a retinue, then say an enemy faction for each of the three, with a boss model, some elites, and a bunch of scrubs. Say Xenos would be a Genestealer patriarch, 2-3 Purebloods, and 10ish genestealer cultists. Malleus would have to deal with a Daemonhost, some sorcerers, and chaos cultists. Hereticus would face off against say an Apostate preacher, some big mutants, and a mix of lesser mutants.

What month of the year did Space Hulk and Dread Fleet get released? And was the Hobbit set released during the same month?

 -Loki- wrote:
Guys, the OP said this was meant to be a gateway game. Like, something to buy and use 40k models in on a smaller scale.

They don't need to support the game. All they need are rules for a bunch of stuff from each race that's sensible at a skirmish level (I mean, including something liek a Hive Tyrant in this would not work, but Tyranid Primes and Broodlords, as well as anything smaller, would come to the fore), a bunch of generic missions, and let the community do what it will with it. The included models would simply be there so there's models in the box for people who have none yet (the people tha game is aimed at).

Regardless of what the OP said, I can't see them keeping another game in print, given their current mindset. Something to buy and use 40k models in a smaller scale - in any kind of broad manner just doesn't jibe. The "gateway" game is Dark Vengeance, since it comes with a couple of starter forces and scenarios and is there to encourage you to increase those forces.

Honestly, I think even an Inquisimunda-type game would likely be more boardgame-oriented (a la Space Hulk), if only to discourage an ease of expansion into using your Tyranids and Blood Angels, etc in it as well. They absolutely don't/won't want support in taking things from 40k>New Game, because then it will be an alternative, not a "gateway". I mean, they even took characters' points values out of the Hobbit Goblin Town starter box mini-rulebook.


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 -Loki- wrote:
The difference with a gateway game is it lets you capture a different type of player.

If someone sees the prices and simply decides an army is a no go, selling them a skirmish game that can use the majority of th 40k range is a great alternative, because it will probably lead to them buying an army after being drip fed smaller purchases.

If someone wants to have their Inquisitors fight a Genestealer Cult, and they end up buying a box of Genestealers and a Broodlord, maybe then expanding it to general Tyranids as well, adding some Warriors and Gaunts, they might then notice they have enough for a small army, and decide to get into the main game anyway.

it's a different way of hooking people who are against the high price of a full army.

Not going to happen. They want you to buy Dark Vengeance, a Battalion box, a couple of extras (tank, flyer, large monster, another troops), and a paint set. At that point they're happy enough if you just fall off a bridge. If' you stick around after that, you can buy another one of all of the above, and paint them red this time.

Anything that allows you to use stuff from the majority of the 40k range in would be far too big in scope and need of support to ever happen, and the risk of people stopping there is too large. They want us going from 40k to Apocalypse, not from 40k to Inquisimunda.

If something was going to be released, when is the public likely to hear about it? End of August?

 Azazelx wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Guys, the OP said this was meant to be a gateway game. Like, something to buy and use 40k models in on a smaller scale.

They don't need to support the game. All they need are rules for a bunch of stuff from each race that's sensible at a skirmish level (I mean, including something liek a Hive Tyrant in this would not work, but Tyranid Primes and Broodlords, as well as anything smaller, would come to the fore), a bunch of generic missions, and let the community do what it will with it. The included models would simply be there so there's models in the box for people who have none yet (the people tha game is aimed at).

Regardless of what the OP said, I can't see them keeping another game in print, given their current mindset. Something to buy and use 40k models in a smaller scale - in any kind of broad manner just doesn't jibe. The "gateway" game is Dark Vengeance, since it comes with a couple of starter forces and scenarios and is there to encourage you to increase those forces.

Honestly, I think even an Inquisimunda-type game would likely be more boardgame-oriented (a la Space Hulk), if only to discourage an ease of expansion into using your Tyranids and Blood Angels, etc in it as well. They absolutely don't/won't want support in taking things from 40k>New Game, because then it will be an alternative, not a "gateway". I mean, they even took characters' points values out of the Hobbit Goblin Town starter box mini-rulebook.


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 -Loki- wrote:
The difference with a gateway game is it lets you capture a different type of player.

If someone sees the prices and simply decides an army is a no go, selling them a skirmish game that can use the majority of th 40k range is a great alternative, because it will probably lead to them buying an army after being drip fed smaller purchases.

If someone wants to have their Inquisitors fight a Genestealer Cult, and they end up buying a box of Genestealers and a Broodlord, maybe then expanding it to general Tyranids as well, adding some Warriors and Gaunts, they might then notice they have enough for a small army, and decide to get into the main game anyway.

it's a different way of hooking people who are against the high price of a full army.

Not going to happen. They want you to buy Dark Vengeance, a Battalion box, a couple of extras (tank, flyer, large monster, another troops), and a paint set. At that point they're happy enough if you just fall off a bridge. If' you stick around after that, you can buy another one of all of the above, and paint them red this time.

Anything that allows you to use stuff from the majority of the 40k range in would be far too big in scope and need of support to ever happen, and the risk of people stopping there is too large. They want us going from 40k to Apocalypse, not from 40k to Inquisimunda.

Yes, but the hope(and most will acknowledge that it's probably in vain) is that they recognise how bugf*** insane that attitude is and are making at least token moves towards re-entering the fairly substantial chunk of the market they pulled out of with their abandonment and eventual eradication of the Specialist Games. Warmachine began as a skirmish ruleset, and it's now overtaken WHF in the US and is nipping at its heels elsewhere in the world, and skirmish games in general are flourishing - combined with another year of flat revenue and declining unit sales even in the face of massive cost-cutting, the usual price hike, and an enhanced release schedule, well, money talks, the question is; are GW listening?

What if it is an Apocalypse skirmish game? you only need 5 Titans per side to play this game

 Yodhrin wrote:

Yes, but the hope(and most will acknowledge that it's probably in vain) is that they recognise how bugf*** insane that attitude is and are making at least token moves towards re-entering the fairly substantial chunk of the market they pulled out of with their abandonment and eventual eradication of the Specialist Games. Warmachine began as a skirmish ruleset, and it's now overtaken WHF in the US and is nipping at its heels elsewhere in the world, and skirmish games in general are flourishing - combined with another year of flat revenue and declining unit sales even in the face of massive cost-cutting, the usual price hike, and an enhanced release schedule, well, money talks, the question is; are GW listening?

What's WarMachine? Is that a Pokemon character? Who remembers Pokemon these days, anyway?

 -Loki- wrote:
They don't need to support the game.

This is the big thing. Who really thinks they'd support it?

This is a one-and-done.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
They don't need to support the game.

This is the big thing. Who really thinks they'd support it?

This is a one-and-done.

Unsupported. How about instead of space hulk, it was space cathedral. sisters vs. some temple defiling group.
That would make a strong one and done.


I feel like I just cast and old april fools 1/2 level spell, a Melissa summoning spell.