Brother SRM wrote:

 prowla wrote:

I agree, having a gateway game sounds too smart for current GW business practice. Let me summarize the current business strategy for you who are not in the know: "Ship More Plastic! Ship ALL the Plastic!". Besides, how would they shoehorn flyers into a skirmish?

It's more probably Dreadfleet part 2, maybe a 40k version this time, exactly the same with one starship per race

They wouldn't do another Dreadfleet since they know it tanked. This thread went from interesting to stupid really quickly.

Also don't forget the boardgame before Dreadfleet was Space Hulk, and that sold out insanely fast. I don't know how well it served as a gateway to 40k, but frankly that's what the starter box is for. The boardgames seem more like personal projects that people at GW would actually want to play.

Absolutely this. There is no way they'd make that mistake again.

I'd be surprised if there was a stand alone rulebook.

Gw is going to have to actually support a non 40k/WHFB game beyond initial release, and do so for several years, before they win back the good will of the fans.

I've very little interest in trading card games, but hopefully the mini's are good and the game catches on with people who are into his stuff so that they continue to release miniatures for it.

 prowla wrote:
Besides, how would they shoehorn flyers into a skirmish?

Pimped-out Valkyrie as an Inquisitor's personal transport?

I would be all for this.

And in a way it does make sense, as Blanche's art and inquisition warbands have been all over White Dwarf. Perhaps they were trying to get people excited about it without actually announcing it. That would be a very GW thing to do.

I have not enjoyed 40k (the game) in a long time as imo the rules have sucked since 3rd. But I've loved the fluff since back in 2nd edd. Absolutely loved all of GW specialist games, I really loved Inquisitor but as everyone has said the scenery was a big problem, I always had a pipe dream of converting the rules to 28mm. So anywho, if they did make it I will be all over this while I hate myself for paying GW absolutely horrendous prices.

I haven't played a GW game in over a year now, and haven't actually bought a GW product in an even longer period of time. This would get me spending money on them again.

The Inquisition is easily the best part of the 40k universe.

BrotherVord wrote:
Gw is going to have to actually support a non 40k/WHFB game beyond initial release, and do so for several years, before they win back the good will of the fans.

If they are planning it to be a gateway game this is precisely what they don't need to do,

A gateway game would be something that is simple to play & fun to play, and hooks consumers into the 40K (or I guess warhammer) universe

but NOT something that you want them to keep playing (low model count skirmish games do not make the money a 1800-2000 point 40K army does), so you WANT players to get tired of the limitations of your gateway game and more on to the 'big leagues'

you want a 'fire and forget' game that you can just sell (no more development, no more rules, no more minis), then after 4-5 years release an 'all new' box

If the intention is to make a "gateway" game, then the rules and models used will also need to be compatible with Warhammer 40K. Otherwise, what's the point? How do you sell it to someone without telling them that the game is intended to get them interested in 40K, but they can't actually use any of it in 40K?

I hope this is true, but after seeing them turn their back on awesome skirmish games like Necromunda and Mordheim I really doubt it. I just don't understand this company!

i think this pretty much sums it up..

So how and why does that source claim to know that GW "wants" to make a Gateway game? That they are watching Kickstarter? Homebrew-rules by fans?

It's one thing to catch a product listing or something along the lines. Perhaps a whisper from someone involved on the long end of the production/play-testing.

It's quite another to "report" directly from the GW-boardroom on why and for what reasons they (allegedly) make a (rumoured) new game.

 Zweischneid wrote:
So how and why does that source claim to know that GW "wants" to make a Gateway game? That they are watching Kickstarter? Homebrew-rules by fans?

It's one thing to catch a product listing or something along the lines. Perhaps a whisper from someone involved on the long end of the production/play-testing.

It's quite another to "report" directly from the GW-boardroom on why and for what reasons they (allegedly) make a (rumoured) new game.

Rumors.

This is either:

a) the beginning of change where GW is re-evaluating their customer's experience of their games from the ground up

b) a limited edition one-off product that will never be allowed to grow beyond an original release as they still believe that anything but the core 3 (really 2) games will cannibalize 40k sales.

I'd be fine with a one-off, depending on what it came with.

I don't know if this is or is not a good idea since well, I don't know the Inquisitor rules.

I will say that this seems highly plausible to me. I suspect after the failure of Dreadfleet they're thinking they need to be able to leverage the models into another IP, such as with Space Hulk. If this game has heroic scale figurines then I imagine it will sell well just to 40k players who want to use them in games.

I can't help but feel that Bloodbowl has an established fan base, would only need a bit of updating and their are competitors already muscling in on the fantasy football market. It makes much more sense than a card driven miniatures game that may or may not appeal to buyers.

kronk wrote:I'd be fine with a one-off, depending on what it came with.

I'm fine with it as well, but I'd still prefer a complete re-evaluation of 40k from the ground up.

The food isnt any good, and the portions arent big enough....

Looking forward to another $150 ltd edition starter with rulebook and 12 figs. Maybe some scenerey and it will sell out.

They wont change the business model until forced to do so.

Im good with skirmish, but would still prefer bloodbowl.

aclive wrote:
The only thing I don't understand is, why would GW stop all specialist games.....just to make more specialist games....?

For one, the original specialist games were a slightly more long-term affair... They were stocked as a part of the core range for a time before being replaced by the next one, so stores always had 3 core systems instead of just the current two.

The Space Hulk / Dreadfleet model is a switch to stand-alone games that get a single splash release and are then forgotten about. Quick infusion of cash, and then done. So not really the same premise.


But even aside from that, we seem to be in middle of GW's era of taking old ideas, dusting them off a little, and putting them back out there. See 40K, with the codex supplements that were such a terrible idea last time around that they just had to do it again...

Also, GW are not ones for making "Gateway Games". They don't let you use models from specialist games in 40k and WHFB play. Or at least, they frown heavily upon it when you do.

I have never seen any issues with people using specialist models in 40K or fantasy... it's just that the majority of them had no specific use. They did however have rules at one point for using your Warhammer Quest characters as heroes in WHFB, and I vaguely recall there briefly being something similar for Necromunda gangs and Mordheim warbands.

Not convinced on the reliability of this yet, but it would actually be pretty cool. I'd be more than happy to see it and I'd probably pick a box up, whereas I wouldn't for Blood Bowl. It'd be especially cool if it was something that kept getting added too, like with extra "Inquisition Teams" added or something like that.

That said though, I'm not a fan of Mr. Blanche, so I hope it's not too Blanchified.

 Ouze wrote:
I don't know if this is or is not a good idea since well, I don't know the Inquisitor rules.

Inquisitor was about half-way between a skirmish game and a full RPG in terms of complexity. There are a lot of elements lifted straight out of it for the FFG RPG line (from what I've seen), including some of the classier illustration, to give a possible reference point. It was a gorgeous but fairly impractical game, and would need a really serious overhaul to make it approachable from a board game or even skirmish game angle.

Personally, I'd be really happy with a necromunda/mordheim-style and complexity game with some nice minis and more model types.

Sure would make sense for them to do something like this.

That's why I don't give them much hope of it and fully expect them pulling another gak "Space Hulk" move and making just another in a string of gak decisions. Heaven forbid that they just up and come out with something with no strings attached.

The stuff will probably be limited edition finecast, and priced well over a hundred bucks.

Here's to hope, though.

 Snrub wrote:
If this even hints at Necromunda i want to see a 28mm model of the Redeemer.
SCOURGE AND PURGE!

I have a 28mm version of him and his side kick in pewter.
I assembled and primed and cannot bring myself to paint yet.

I like how you think though!

Did not care for Inquisitor when it came out.

Not excited about this either,

It may have been construed that I "ripped into GW for no good reason" but it is not quite that.
The "good reason" for being grumpy is to own product that they dump and then they dust off a different version of prior product but more trendy.

Inquisitor played at 28mm played pretty good I would admit.
I have the original box set of Necromunda and enjoyed it.
I like following in white dwarf the various warbands being made.

They are so secretive and seem to have no official forum for feedback that it is frustrating to see if they are going to give a product a good effort or spin out as a one off.

I agree that if we at least get nice models out of it, there is something to be gained.

I have all the Inquisition 28mm models and liked them a lot, a skirmish warband based on them would work out nicely.

I am a fan of this idea. I love Inquisimunda/=I=28 and some new models would be awesome.

If they are anywhere near as good as the Cultists, I will get multiple sets.

As an aside, I would only get a BloodBowl set for it's inevitable resale value.

~Eric

This could be epic but it`s GW so.......

Cool. This could be interesting.

I'd be gutted for the fact of no Blood Bowl, but at the same time very interested in the skirmish replacement, if it had any kind of xp system in place I'd be all over it.

A dedicated skirmish game for 40k would be fun- although this sounds a little fishy to me.

Motograter wrote:
This could be epic but it`s GW so.......

It could be Epic??

 Grundz wrote:
Can GW resist the urge to squeeze everything for profits and make an actual good, sustainable game?

Maybe some day they will realise that making a good, sustainable game and squeezing everything is not mutually exclusive.

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
I can't help but feel that Bloodbowl has an established fan base, would only need a bit of updating and their are competitors already muscling in on the fantasy football market. It makes much more sense than a card driven miniatures game that may or may not appeal to buyers.

This is a good point, but it also contains its own counterpoint: why update Bloodbowl when all it does is generate revenue for third parties?

Considering the price tag of these limited run games, who'd pay it just to get a new rulebook for their third party minis? They're more likely to crib an illegally distributed PDF of the rules, then expand/extend/replace their third party minis with more third party minis. If the Inquisitor rumour is right, however, and the sculpts are the quality of Space Hulk's, they could see GK players buying the game for both its own merits and to give their main army some variety. Similarly, folks who regularly play DH might pick it up as a function of the tie-in.

Not saying that rationale is necessarily accurate, but it'd be a believable chain of logic for GW, going off their record thus far.

 frozenwastes wrote:
This is either:

a) the beginning of change where GW is re-evaluating their customer's experience of their games from the ground up

b) a limited edition one-off product that will never be allowed to grow beyond an original release as they still believe that anything but the core 3 (really 2) games will cannibalize 40k sales.

Survey says...

I'll believe it when I see it.

I could see them cutting off all the loose ends with the specialist games range before introducing a new skirmish game. That's something that actually does make sense to me.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Jervis has said before that it could have been GW's third "core" game since it's actually very popular, especially in Europe.

Jervis says a lot of things, but they've stopped being a part of the company policy a long time ago. Nowadays he's just some random fossil.

If it is not made as a ltd edition game and is actually a product they will support it could be a huge turning point for GW. If it is a one off then its another wasted opportunity that GW as ever fail to capitalize on

Kinda disappointed it's still not Warhammer quest.

If this is true I am sure it has nothing to do with them noticing the amount of money made by the various high profile kickstarters, and the ongoing success of warmahordes/malifaux/infinity and the smaller boutique games that are out there such as bushido etc.

SeanDrake wrote:
If this is true I am sure it has nothing to do with them noticing the amount of money made by the various high profile kickstarters, and the ongoing success of warmahordes/malifaux/infinity and the smaller boutique games that are out there such as bushido etc.

These games do not exist in GW`s world though. They clearly think these kind of games are a magical fantasy created in minds of weird folks who GW think still will buy there stuff as its the only stuff out there

SeanDrake wrote:
If this is true I am sure it has nothing to do with them noticing the amount of money made by the various high profile kickstarters, and the ongoing success of warmahordes/malifaux/infinity and the smaller boutique games that are out there such as bushido etc.

Well, there is a difference between saying that is what I think they are doing, or what I believe they should be doing, and posting this same thing as rumours from the GW boardroom that this is what they are actually doing.

Precisely because every internet-CEO of GW has been saying that this is what they should be doing, is why I can't shake the feeling that a rumour saying that this is truly what they are doing, is probably too good to be true.

Or, at the very least heavily coloured by wishlisting from the messenger, rather than solid inside information leaked to the interwebs.

But maybe I am just too gloomy.

Mythal wrote:
Considering the price tag of these limited run games, who'd pay it just to get a new rulebook for their third party minis? They're more likely to crib an illegally distributed PDF of the rules, then expand/extend/replace their third party minis with more third party minis.

If it included minis and a board on par with the Space Hulk release, people would buy it.

I probably wouldn't, as I have the current version of Blood Bowl, and as much as I enjoy it haven't had time to play it in years. I would be more interested in an Inquisitor game if it is well done.




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Motograter wrote:
This could be epic but it`s GW so.......

...it could well be awesome.

The limited edition Space Hulk was quite possibly the best boxed game that GW have ever released. Hell, even Dreadfleet was nicely done... it just suffered from the fact that GW apparently didn't think they actually needed to try to sell it. People knew what Space Hulk was, and even if they didn't care about that game could use the minis in other games. Dreadfleet by contrast needed to sell entirely on its own merits... but for that to work, GW needed to put a lot more effort into getting people interested than they did.

Heading off the rumour mill earlier probably would have helped as well. I can't help but wonder if some of the lack of interest in Dreadfleet was people being disgruntled because it wasn't Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl as was rumoured. If GW actually gave some sort of advance word on what they were working on, that would have been headed off much earlier and there would have been much less disappointment at the final release as a result.

Bring back bloodbowl. Lets face it it rocked, it didn't require massive amounts of space, it was easy to play and was fun.

I for one would love to see an Inquisitor game from GW, since building figures to play Inq28 is pretty much all I have been doing lately.

And as an aside, Blanche already is playing regular Inquisitor/Necromunda/Confrontation games with some of our forum members, and it would be nice if that sort of narative game returned to GW proper.

tomcat31 wrote:
it didn't require massive amounts of space, it was easy to play and was fun.

Which are exactly the same merits as a well done skirmish game. Which has the added benefit that the models are compatible with 40k (if they're Inquisitor warbands in the box, they're a perfect for for a Grey Knights army).

i love bloodbowl, and have the xbox version, as well as the orginal tabletop game.

that said, i also really liked the idea of inquisitor. it had great fluff, the rules made a sort of ...sense, and it was pretty expansive. its only major fallback was lack of balance. nothing had a points system, or way of determining rarity, or what you could take. when the local store ran a campaign shortly after release, someone showed up with a warband of 5 space marines. completly curb stomped anything out there,

if they redo inquisitor into a 28mm scale, even if the minis dont work with 40k ill be looking for balance. if a inquisitor boss is 100 points, a space marine better be 500, or something simaler. because the old rules - a space marine with just a bolter and his power armor would crush any other 'normal' warband all by himself without even blinking.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Davespil wrote:

At least if its 28mm and the rules are pretty good we can just get a copy of them and play the game as long as we want. But blood bowl is utter crap.

Have you actually played Blood Bowl on the tabletop? Jervis has said before that it could have been GW's third "core" game since it's actually very popular, especially in Europe. And who gives a goddamn if they don't "get" American football? It's a different (if similar) game. I don't care about Blood Bowl, but a lot of people play it and enjoy it.

Blood Bowl is brilliant - one of the best games they have ever created/released. I don't know much nor do I care at all about American Football or Rugby for that matter, and I have even less interest in playing Madden. What I do have interest in is playing a fun, flavourful, characterful sport-themed boardgame with a Warhammer theme, which Blood Bowl fits to a tee.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Even if the rules suck, we'll get some great minis out of it.

I'm hoping the other way around.

Do not forget the possibility that they will both suck!

Or be in a scale that is incompatible withWH40K... but who would be stupid enough to do a game about the Inquisition that cannot be used with WH40K?

Blanche... is an artist that used to be really good. I love his art for the original Realms of Chaos books. But his old style was too time consuming for GW....

The Auld Grump - pessimism is better than optimism, this way... if I am wrong then there will at least be a good game!

Im all over this, this is the first thing to get me genuinely excited in GW in a while.

Dont get me wrong, Blood Bowl woudl have been nice, but as we know GW is all about the splash releases now there were far too many races that wouldn't have made the cut.

A new skirmish game based around Inquisitor would be fantastic, the fluff that was introduced for the Inquistor 54mm game was some of my favourite ever. Its just a shame the ruleset wasnt robust enough. I even did an article about it on my site. http://www.conclaveofhar.com/hobby-articles.html

*Shameless plug *

With the plastics that GW can produce these days we could get some really great models out of this.

JB may not be everyones cup of tea but there is no denying his artwork is very evocative of the 40k grimdark style. Im fed up of clean lines and overly busy armoured minatures, some Blanchitsu style design could be a breath of fresh air.

My only concern is that as a gateway game it will be toned down and simplified ruleswise. so as not to put off little Billy who is starting off in the hobby.

I will be watching with much interest.

 DarthSpader wrote:

if they redo inquisitor into a 28mm scale, even if the minis dont work with 40k ill be looking for balance. if a inquisitor boss is 100 points, a space marine better be 500, or something simaler. because the old rules - a space marine with just a bolter and his power armor would crush any other 'normal' warband all by himself without even blinking.

That, or balance it with abilities that would center around an Inquisitor's influence and special skills.

It would be pretty awesome to spend half the game off the battlefield pulling strings, really get a feel for how Inquisitors work behind the scenes.

Alright so looking at the timing/nature of this product and previous releases you can come to a couple of conclusions:

- They need a new product to push at Games Day (see: Dreadfleet).
- This is more likely than not to be a single unsupported release (non-artificial demand excluded due to uncertainty) with the possibility of a few fleeting digital release articles/expansions.
- The cost and scale of the models (read: compatibility with other systems) is unknown, but from previous releases we can expect it anywhere from the $150-$200 range.

The otherwise excessive lack of information means it is otherwise down to speculation on what the actual product is. Though I can see them advertising this out the wazoo through their current channels.

 Fafnir wrote:

 DarthSpader wrote:

if they redo inquisitor into a 28mm scale, even if the minis dont work with 40k ill be looking for balance. if a inquisitor boss is 100 points, a space marine better be 500, or something simaler. because the old rules - a space marine with just a bolter and his power armor would crush any other 'normal' warband all by himself without even blinking.

That, or balance it with abilities that would center around an Inquisitor's influence and special skills.

It would be pretty awesome to spend half the game off the battlefield pulling strings, really get a feel for how Inquisitors work behind the scenes.

...except that would be utter Bantha Gak in a combat situation. If that's what you want go play the FFG RPG's with a GM with a history in WoDesque games or somesuch. That stuff has little place in a combat situation; I don't care how manipulative you can be, you can't source some magical bullet in the few seconds you have to respond to that ominous sound on the other side of that creaky wall, for example. Combat situation focused games will (and should!) focus on combat skills.

A better idea would be to tell anything in power armour to STFU and GTFO of this power level - that or have some nasty psykers all round to mess with marines. Generally the one thing they're consistently described as being just as vulnerable to as the next guy
Actually I think that'd be way better. "Suuure, have your two or three marines against a ten strong warband - have fun being burnt from the inside, liquefied, sucked into the warp etc".
That could be fun (I mean, the moment some unlucky guy from that 10 man band is spotted by a marine he's dead as a doornail). Asymmetrical gameplay is good and if they could get such vastly asymmetrical builds to work in what is an open list-building pointsbased wargame that would be awesome.
...Of course the idea of GW and balance has that idea leaving a slight taste of ashes in my mouth, but let's dream for the time these are all still rumours

After getting into Infinity, I'd really dig a 40k Skirmish game. If it's like the OP says - open ended enough that you can design your own Warband, it doesn't matter at all if it's not supported with miniature releases.

Remember, there's a huge wealth of miniatures to draw from just from GW to make these, even if you need to find some guy selling one Catachan model. Add to that the massive 3rd party market of bits and complete models, and you've got some great scope for making a unique warband.

if the missions and narrative structure (if any) are open ended as well, it's again does not need support. As long as there's a decent structure for making some vaguely balanced warbands and a decent structure for putting together scenarios or, with premade scenarios, a campaign, I'll buy it, and I know my friends and I will play it.

The lack of an accessible 40k skirmish game is what drove me to Infinity (Necromunda, while there, wasn't what I was looking for). While Something like this won't make me give up Infinity, it'll be a great addition to my game collection.

Is the sleeping giant waking up? After the release of 6th GW started doing something never seen before, the constant pumping of new codexes every single month with new miniatures to boot. Not only that, we now have supplements filled with fluff and cool stuff.

They actually took the decision of axing their specialist games and now rumors of a possible new franchise? It kinda seems they are trying to break the stagnation.

P.S: For me, I just hate how Blanche paints his minis. I get it, it's 40k, it's grimdark, but there's no need to paint all minis vomit green-brown.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Is the sleeping giant waking up? After the release of 6th GW started doing something never seen before, the constant pumping of new codexes every single month with new miniatures to boot. Not only that, we now have supplements filled with fluff and cool stuff.

That's not something we've never seen before. They did the same thing at the start of 3rd edition. Then they ran out of steam, realised that supplemental codexes were an idea that was great on paper but that really annoyed people who were having to buy multiple books to play a single army, and completely changed direction and codex design and everything slowed back down.

Sounds too good to be true, considering how idiotics GW top management is.

If true, it will probably be the best thing that ever happened in my life (well not really, but I'll be damn happy).

 insaniak wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Is the sleeping giant waking up? After the release of 6th GW started doing something never seen before, the constant pumping of new codexes every single month with new miniatures to boot. Not only that, we now have supplements filled with fluff and cool stuff.

That's not something we've never seen before. They did the same thing at the start of 3rd edition. Then they ran out of steam, realised that supplemental codexes were an idea that was great on paper but that really annoyed people who were having to buy multiple books to play a single army, and completely changed direction and codex design and everything slowed back down.

The only thing that annoyed me personally about the old supplement system was some unit entries were in one book while others were in the main book. The new system neatly sidesteps this by only doing FoC alterations, warlord traits and wargear.

Though they introduced a new irritation in the books being too fething expensive even by GW standards. $83au for the codex and $50au for the supplement is just laughable. The sooner I get a tablet so I can get the epubs from Black Library, the better.

There isn't much savings there though!

So if this comes out, how long until they start sending cease and desist letters to people making Inquisimunda blogs and other fan made rules like In The Emperor's Name?

What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

 Micky wrote:
What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

It's anybody's guess, really.

There were a lot of models in Space Hulk. Not as many in Dreadfleet. Without some more idea of just what they're doing with this game, there is just no way to tell what will be in the box.

Not only a lot of models in Space Hulk - look at what they packed into Island of Blood and Dark Vengeance, at the detail they acheived?

Since it's for 2-4 players, probably be enough random henchmen to make 2 good warbands and 2 bad warbands, and a few different 'leaders' (maybe one of each ordo, plus a Chaos leader).

Purely wishlisting, because this would be fantastic.

15 or so Imperial henchmen, 3 Inquisitors (Xenos, Malleus, Hereticus).
7-8 Chaos henchmen, 2 Chaos leaders (Sorcerer and Fighter, not necessarily Marines)
5-6 Genestealer Cultists, 1-2 Purestrains, Magus, Broodlord.

You could set up a variety of different matchups - Xenos purging a Genestealer Cult, Hereticus or Malleus going after a Chaos Cult, combines game with all 4, inter-Ordo bickering, etc.

What no Pocketdemons card game ! well if it has a nice boxed set with all plastic figures then i am interested.

 frozenwastes wrote:
So if this comes out, how long until they start sending cease and desist letters to people making Inquisimunda blogs and other fan made rules like In The Emperor's Name?

If that happens then we'll know it's an Inquisitor thing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
I haven't seen any hate for it yet.

Let Bryll punch his straw man. It's all he's got.

Except for once it's nothing of the sort, unless you consider deriding JB's work as "scribbles" and claiming no model based on his work could fit in with 40K(despite him being one of their primary concept artists) to be high praise. Also, while amusing and fairly accurate, making sarcy comments about Dreadfleet whenever the subject of a boxed game comes up(funnily enough, the same comments people were making about the potential Bloodbowl boxed game which has suddenly transformed into the Holy Grail now there's alternative rumours not to some people's taste) is hardly what I'd call love.

 Snrub wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
Sounds bloody brilliant to me. But keep up the hate guys!

I haven't seen any hate for it yet. It's just not what people want to see from GW from this release.


It's not like people are saying they don't want this, it's the majority would prefer Bloodbowl over an Inqisitor based game. No outright hate though.

The majority, eh? I'd be interested to know where you're getting that from - I've seen more INQ28 warbands floating around online in the last month than I've seen new Bloodbowl teams in nearly a year.

While I'm not exactly ecstatic about the idea that GW would kill off some really fantastic games just to rerelease them in a more expensive, less available, and narrowed in scope format, they'd be far more likely to get money out of me for what's described in the OP than a rerelease of a game I've not seen anyone actually playing since 2001. In fact, the only thing they might be more likely to get money out of me for is probably a new GorkaMorka box.

Anyway, I doubt very much this is true, because as money-grubbing and cynical as such a release would be, it would still require GW's higher-ups to have taken the unprecedented step of paying attention to what's going on in wargaming outside of their own little alternate reality down at GWHQ.

 Micky wrote:
What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

Loki pretty much covered it but it will really depend if GW wants to make multipart plastics or single pose.

An Inquisitor/Henchmen kit with a ton of options would be an auto sell for me, I'd buy tons. But if it's Inquisitor Bob and his 4 henchmen, Johnny, Larry, Curly Joe and Murderella the killer dominatrix then I dunno.

I mean just for Inquisition henchmen we could name a dozen or more archetypes from 'Scum' to Tech Priests to Daemon Hosts to 31 flavors of warrior.

Similarly for cultists we have the normal cannon fodder in robes, but also all sorts of mutants, assassins, criminals, genestealer cultists, psykers, priests etc.

Ideally the game would have some sort of army list and weapon upgrades so we can build the force we want.

I would worry if it's more like Warhammer Quest where characters and their wargear are set in stone and you can only chose which are coming (ie the Ordo Malleus always has a daemon hammer and bolt pistol).

You guys had me at the thought of genestealer cultists and hybrids making a comeback.

I miss my ugly old hybrids. Those were some of the first minis I think I ever painted.

I'm curious if they'll include any kind of cover/ terrain features if they do go down the inquisimunda path.

I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

The game will be beloved, and be a big hit - but GW - still weary from the Dreadfleet fiasco - will only produce 500 copies world-wide to ensure it sells out.

I'm 100% behind the idea of this.

Also am I the only one who really wants to buy a limited edition Murderella the Killer Dominatrix model?

Not one suggestion of GorkaMorka so far? hmph.

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

As has been said, after what a fiasco that was, I don't see a return to naval games of any sort in GW's future.

I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

That doesn't mean the options can't be in the rules. Having a snap fit Inquisitor with a Daemon Hammer, but rules for other weapons you can use buy buying more stuff from GW, won't hurt at all.

If they truly mean for this to be a gateway game, that's the logical thing to do.

I want Eisenhorn, the fething video game

 Yodhrin wrote:
Except for once it's nothing of the sort, unless you consider deriding JB's work as "scribbles" and claiming no model based on his work could fit in with 40K(despite him being one of their primary concept artists) to be high praise.

Criticism isn't "hate". Learn the damned difference.


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 DIDM wrote:
I want Eisenhorn, the fething video game

What style? The Bethesda "do whatever you want" style, or the Bioware "we have a set story but it's really cool if you get over how linear it is" style?

Honestly I'd take either!

 insaniak wrote:

 Micky wrote:
What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

It's anybody's guess, really.

There were a lot of models in Space Hulk. Not as many in Dreadfleet. Without some more idea of just what they're doing with this game, there is just no way to tell what will be in the box.

If you take all the terrain, islands, wreaks, and extra bits into account, there was way more plastic in the Dreadfleet box. Even if the total model count is lower. Space Hulk made that space up with all the cardboard tiles. If this is a Inquisitor game, will there be card board buildings to fight around, or plastic buildings even? Roughly 20 - 30 figs and plastic building terrain will make for a really big box. And really expensive one.....

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Except for once it's nothing of the sort, unless you consider deriding JB's work as "scribbles" and claiming no model based on his work could fit in with 40K(despite him being one of their primary concept artists) to be high praise.

Criticism isn't "hate". Learn the damned difference.

"Criticism" also isn't flippant sarcasm, you'd think a writer would grasp that simple concept.

Next you'll be telling me that "lol splotchy rubbish" is an insightful and valuable critique of Impressionism

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Except for once it's nothing of the sort, unless you consider deriding JB's work as "scribbles" and claiming no model based on his work could fit in with 40K(despite him being one of their primary concept artists) to be high praise.

Criticism isn't "hate". Learn the damned difference.


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 DIDM wrote:
I want Eisenhorn, the fething video game

What style? The Bethesda "do whatever you want" style, or the Bioware "we have a set story but it's really cool if you get over how linear it is" style?

Honestly I'd take either!

I'm thinking Skyrim style, you decide how true to the emp you stay and run free in a universe

it would be so big it would take a real big company to make, and I don't see the sales to pay for it


part mystery, part bad ass fighting with your posse, part interrogating the bejeebus out of fools, then eating well and flying in a personal space jet

YEA, badazzzzzzzzzzz

To me a skirmish game seems unlikely. Less than a year after the official end of specialist games, with free rules and they turn around and try and sell "new" rules? I would think most of the people interested would probably pass on a limited edition rulebook that's going to run 75 to 90 dollars depending were you live.

 Mecha_buddha wrote:
To me a skirmish game seems unlikely. Less than a year after the official end of specialist games, with free rules and they turn around and try and sell "new" rules?

Not unlikely at all. The skirmish game in Specialist Games was based around 2nd edition. The game, fluff and imagery has prgressed since then. In a time when they're consolidating fluff and IPs, letting an old, out of date IP go and recreating the game style under a new collective IP is a smart move.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Micky wrote:
What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

Loki pretty much covered it but it will really depend if GW wants to make multipart plastics or single pose.

An Inquisitor/Henchmen kit with a ton of options would be an auto sell for me, I'd buy tons. But if it's Inquisitor Bob and his 4 henchmen, Johnny, Larry, Curly Joe and Murderella the killer dominatrix then I dunno.

I mean just for Inquisition henchmen we could name a dozen or more archetypes from 'Scum' to Tech Priests to Daemon Hosts to 31 flavors of warrior.

Similarly for cultists we have the normal cannon fodder in robes, but also all sorts of mutants, assassins, criminals, genestealer cultists, psykers, priests etc.

Ideally the game would have some sort of army list and weapon upgrades so we can build the force we want.

I would worry if it's more like Warhammer Quest where characters and their wargear are set in stone and you can only chose which are coming (ie the Ordo Malleus always has a daemon hammer and bolt pistol).

I think you just described them making Necromunda with a Inquisition vs. cultists setting. That would be awesome.

If that's what they do I could get behind that. But like you said, it's probly just warhammer quest.

I would buy an inquisitor led skirmish game straight away.

Models can always be changed for something better so I don't really care about that, but if the concept works and is good, then I'll be putting away the old RT book and giving this one a try in its place.

 DarthSpader wrote:
when the local store ran a campaign shortly after release, someone showed up with a warband of 5 space marines. completly curb stomped anything out there.

The GM should have put a stop to that or evened the sides up on the spot.

Meh, hope it still is Blood Bowl. Else it'll be another year with not a single GW purchase

 insaniak wrote:

The limited edition Space Hulk was quite possibly the best boxed game that GW have ever released. Hell, even Dreadfleet was nicely done... it just suffered from the fact that GW apparently didn't think they actually needed to try to sell it. People knew what Space Hulk was, and even if they didn't care about that game could use the minis in other games. Dreadfleet by contrast needed to sell entirely on its own merits... but for that to work, GW needed to put a lot more effort into getting people interested than they did.

Heading off the rumour mill earlier probably would have helped as well. I can't help but wonder if some of the lack of interest in Dreadfleet was people being disgruntled because it wasn't Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl as was rumoured. If GW actually gave some sort of advance word on what they were working on, that would have been headed off much earlier and there would have been much less disappointment at the final release as a result.

I thought the main problem with Dreadfleet was that it was quickly regarded as far too random and a hugely tedious way to spend 3 hours?

I was going to buy it, because I like the idea of standalone games, but I haven't seen a single review of it that wasn't warning people not to bother.

Yes it could have done with more marketting, but if it was a bad game it was never going to do well once the reviews got out.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

As has been said, after what a fiasco that was, I don't see a return to naval games of any sort in GW's future.

Unless they think the issue is with it being fantasy naval, and have seen how popular X-Wing is becoming and want a piece of that action.

It'd still suffer the same problems as Dreadfleet; a complete unknown without any real company/fan backing or nostalgia effect.

I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

Yeah it'll be monopose snap-fits, especially if it's a limited run.



I was hoping it'd have been Bloodbowl, as I'd probably have bought it. If it's a new inquisitor game I probably won't unless the mini's are too good to pass up, as my skirmish needs are pretty well met now.

As much as I love Blood Bowl, I am really liking the sound of this Inquisition game.

If it is this there is so much potential for a great game. Awesome Inquisition and ret models is an auto buy for me.

Here hoping

I don't get why people are getting hung up on the minis that might be coming with it. You can use anything from anywhere and 99% of the fun with retinues is coming up with conversions and individual characters.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Meh, hope it still is Blood Bowl. Else it'll be another year with not a single GW purchase

Still don't understand why it would be Blood Bowl when the original is still on sale.

there is a gap in their line for a basic starter game, especially because the Hobbit sets simply aren't working due to cost (which is probably made worse by a hike in New Line licensing costs). Something self-contained that acts as a gateway to 40K would make a lot of sense.

Remember, too, that they have a lot of new production and design capacity since they did Dreadfleet, so I"m hopeful it will be something a lot bigger, in concept and execution, than Blood Bowl. I didn't buy Dreadfleet (who did?) but there were some very cool concepts in there, like the printed sheet, which made it much more than a simple board game. Hopefully they'll retain that but keep the concept like Space Hulk, something that complements their other product rather than being a total contrast.

They will probably release both if it is true. after all Blood bowl is allready "here" the rules are basically already written, it would not need many tweeks anyway.

A skirmish Inquisitor game would be rather cool. And could be used in addition to 40k Campaigns. Like I use necromunda for mine. (for instants a small group of chaos loyalists are attacking a Underground bunker to take down the orbital defenses. For the incoming Chaos thunderhawks ETC)

What if it is just Inquisitor geared for 28mm?

I would either Bloodbowl or Inquisition. But one little thing, i heard a small, thing a few months ago from a guy running my local GW store at the time, saying perhaps the return of Warhammer Quest, or something similar to it, but it may have been wishing.
Also on Eisenhorn game, it would have to be Bioware as those stories are linear, and have no real areas for sidequests which stop you doing the main quest FOREVER, as you can do in Skyrim. At least with Bioware games you have to do the main bit.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

As has been said, after what a fiasco that was, I don't see a return to naval games of any sort in GW's future.

I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

It doesn't need to be a naval game to be a Dreadfleet like fiasco...

I predict a box with with 10-15 individual miniatures, all of them characters of some sort ranging from an Inquisitor to a Cultist, an Eldar, a DE, a Chaos Marine, etc, all of them represented by a character card and playing a set of canned missions with absoluteness no expandability beyond a few new missions released in a WD 1 month after the game releases.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I don't get why people are getting hung up on the minis that might be coming with it. You can use anything from anywhere and 99% of the fun with retinues is coming up with conversions and individual characters.

Because some people don't like converting? Alternate models I'll give you, I raised that point already. I'm not a converter though - I'd rather have some nice models ready to go.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I don't get why people are getting hung up on the minis that might be coming with it. You can use anything from anywhere and 99% of the fun with retinues is coming up with conversions and individual characters.

When you're buying a miniature game that comes with miniatures, wanting those miniatures to be good is generally not an irrational desire...

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

As has been said, after what a fiasco that was, I don't see a return to naval games of any sort in GW's future.

I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

I don't think he meant naval games, I think he meant GW interpreting "gateway" and "cinematic" to mean "Draw a card and half the enemy models die."

Nobody hated Dreadfleet because it was naval, they hated it because the rules were the single worst set of rules GW had ever printed. (Including the games where you dropped the dice in a boxlid.)


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Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
I would either Bloodbowl or Inquisition. But one little thing, i heard a small, thing a few months ago from a guy running my local GW store at the time, saying perhaps the return of Warhammer Quest, or something similar to it, but it may have been wishing.
Also on Eisenhorn game, it would have to be Bioware as those stories are linear, and have no real areas for sidequests which stop you doing the main quest FOREVER, as you can do in Skyrim. At least with Bioware games you have to do the main bit.

I would have welcomed the return of WHQ a year ago, since FFG doesn't quite get it with Descent, but thanks to the Kickstarters for Kingdom Death, Galaxy Defenders, Myth, and probably a couple others I'm forgetting, the "longform cooperative game where nobody's stuck being the GM" is gonna be a bit sewn up.

If one of the "tactics cards" is named virus bomb... that will be a pretty good day.

 dementedwombat wrote:
If one of the "tactics cards" is named virus bomb... that will be a pretty good day.

I don't need anything so specific. Exterminatus sounds good enough for me

Anything that includes "Virus Bombs" of any sort has gotta be good.

5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Ah another stormy day in Sidsville I see.

Come join us on the good ship Wishlister and hope that there is some kernel of truth in this rumour. Not long till September!

 Sidstyler wrote:
5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Odd. I could have sworn that Space Hulk and Dread fleet both sold for somewhat less than $1000, even here in Oz, but I may be misremembering...

 insaniak wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Odd. I could have sworn that Space Hulk and Dread fleet both sold for somewhat less than $1000, even here in Oz, but I may be misremembering...

Even their main systems are far below 1000$ per army...

 insaniak wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Odd. I could have sworn that Space Hulk and Dread fleet both sold for somewhat less than $1000, even here in Oz, but I may be misremembering...

The hate is strong in this one

Maybe it is neither Blood Bowl nor Skirmish, but DREADFLEET APOCALYPSE!

Gigantic new ships. Even more water. Unique strategems for large-formations of the same ship!

Have you been longing to finally field your entire US$ 1,000.- + collection of Dreadfleet ships in a single game? This is your chance to do so!!!

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

Battlefleet Gothic in-a-box would be a shocker, but I'd probably pick it up.

 Sidstyler wrote:
5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Well, yeah, that's the largest reason why I don't see a proper skirmish game appearing. GW policy seems to be "ship all the plastic!" aka big kits / tons of models. They also are under the impression that people want to blow several hundred euros on fresh products. The only reason I could see GW doing a skirmish is to get people to spend tons of cash on big terrain kits. Unless, of course.. it's 54mm models.. in foulcast.. €50/pop

It's true that GW is very restricted because of their policy to focus strictly on three core games. They could manufacture and sell a ton of specialist games, if they wanted. They could easily release the core set first, then introduce boxed faction expansions, with little need to have single model releases.

 notprop wrote:
Ah another stormy day in Sidsville I see.

Come join us on the good ship Wishlister and hope that there is some kernel of truth in this rumour. Not long till September!

That made me Lol.

As much as I like Bloodbowl, I'd prefer the 28mm skirmish a lot more, even if it's just for the cool figures.

Mythal wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

Battlefleet Gothic in-a-box would be a shocker, but I'd probably pick it up.

Agreed! Plus on the bright side, those ships will go nicely with Rogue Trader even if the rules are terribad.

If its a one shot release box I'm interested anyway, if its more than that and more akin to an older GW Roleplay game with factions, then I'm likely to be in danger of spending more than the one gang anyways.

When Necromunda was in full swing last time, I had all the gangs and in the case of Escher and Cawdor, multiple gangs. I'm hoping GW might consider that if they went down the route as many folks won't restrict themselves to one gang.
Plus with a direct tie in to a 40K army I would expect them to be watching if Grey Knights got a higher percentage of sales in the following year. If that turned out to be the case I could imagine other factions eventually getting a look in.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
If its a one shot release box I'm interested anyway, if its more than that and more akin to an older GW Roleplay game with factions, then I'm likely to be in danger of spending more than the one gang anyways.

When Necromunda was in full swing last time, I had all the gangs and in the case of Escher and Cawdor, multiple gangs. I'm hoping GW might consider that if they went down the route as many folks won't restrict themselves to one gang.
Plus with a direct tie in to a 40K army I would expect them to be watching if Grey Knights got a higher percentage of sales in the following year. If that turned out to be the case I could imagine other factions eventually getting a look in.

And here in lies the problem for GW with their "all-in-one boxgame" releases. A new Inquisition Necromunda game with multiple gangs available would suck peoples spending away from 40K. Its a balance then to get the reduce turnover in 40k and the extra turnover in the gangs. Unless this is forecast in favour of Inqisimunda then they wont bother with an ongoing product and stick to the one-off turnover revenue boost from a single box game.

Sounds like a rehashed Necromunda/Inq. rip off. or The old Kill team game/rules.
GW says, after smoking some funny stufff, DUDE lets make Inquistor and mix it with NEcromunda and we got a new game.WOW man, i bet the Lemmings will buy it because we put a 40 k logo on it.
Sorry, not trying to insult. It is just how GW seems to act sometimes.

 col. krazy kenny wrote:
Sounds like a rehashed Necromunda/Inq. rip off. or The old Kill team game/rules.
GW says, after smoking some funny stufff, DUDE lets make Inquistor and mix it with NEcromunda and we got a new game.WOW man, i bet the Lemmings will buy it...

yep, I really hate it too when GW does those terrible, imaginary things, and the imaginary lemmings start jumping.

I want some imaginary lemmings...maybe they'll be included in the next limited edition boxed set?

I wonder how imaginary lemmings would taste? Hmmm...lemmings sautéed in garlic butter, thrown on the grill, or doused in Dinosaur BBQ sauce. Or all of the above. Now I want BBQd lemmings.

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

If this happens I'll be the first one on the cliff top.


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 dementedwombat wrote:
I want some imaginary lemmings...maybe they'll be included in the next limited edition boxed set?

Oh come on, the imaginary lemmings will obviously cost double what the old imaginary ones did, and there will be lots of flash and holes, and they will probably have too many imaginary skulls on them. This is GW we're talking about here. Or imagining about, anyway.

A 28mm Inquisition game sounds great to me especially if John Banche has helped design the minis, I'm not really a fan of hid style of art but he has great ideas.

I'd buy an Inquisitor style board game as long as it came with some cool models. Blood Bowl I'd have a harder time with since it's already a solid game and the people round here already have teams and so wouldn't likely be changing it up.

Anyone else notice the last 2-3 White Dwarfs all had different flavors of Inq28 ?
Might be something to this one

 notprop wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
If its a one shot release box I'm interested anyway, if its more than that and more akin to an older GW Roleplay game with factions, then I'm likely to be in danger of spending more than the one gang anyways.

When Necromunda was in full swing last time, I had all the gangs and in the case of Escher and Cawdor, multiple gangs. I'm hoping GW might consider that if they went down the route as many folks won't restrict themselves to one gang.
Plus with a direct tie in to a 40K army I would expect them to be watching if Grey Knights got a higher percentage of sales in the following year. If that turned out to be the case I could imagine other factions eventually getting a look in.

And here in lies the problem for GW with their "all-in-one boxgame" releases. A new Inquisition Necromunda game with multiple gangs available would suck peoples spending away from 40K. Its a balance then to get the reduce turnover in 40k and the extra turnover in the gangs. Unless this is forecast in favour of Inqisimunda then they wont bother with an ongoing product and stick to the one-off turnover revenue boost from a single box game.

See, that IS the thinking at GW by all appearances, but it strikes me as completely daft thinking.

What type of players played specialist games? Mainly two types; people like me who're suckers for the IP and want as many different ways to interact with it as possible, and people who're not interested in collecting large armies in 28mm scale for whatever reason(they prefer smaller scales for big battles, they prefer to spend small chunks of cash on lots of different games rather than a big chunk on one, they just plain prefer skirmish-sized gaming etc etc).

The former type of person bought 40K, AND all it's derivatives, and and going by how common linked-campaigns were back when the SGs got regular support we were hardly a tiny minority. The latter type isn't going to magically change their spending and playing habits just because you took away the products they liked, they're going to do exactly what many people did when GW started to wind-down SGs; go to other companies. And THAT was the value that GW gave up when they decided to give up on their other systems; retention.

If I got bored of playing 40K a few years back there were two skirmish games, a mass-battles game, and a space naval combat game all set in the same IP for me to try. If I got bored with the IP I could try out Fantasy for the cost of a Mordheim warband, and if I liked it had almost as many options for games to play there too. Inevitably, I would find my passion for 40K again long before I ran out of GW games to try. Now what are my options? Find hundreds of pounds to drop on a Fantasy army I might not even end up enjoying, stop wargaming altogether, or look at what other companies are offering. Since most people don't have an army's worth of cash just sitting around to blow on hobby stuff on a whim, the "core games" strategy GW have been pursuing has been one of the biggest reasons for the successes being enjoyed by many of their competitors, and adopting strategies that help your competitors sounds like a really stupid business practice to me, but then I'm sure someone will be along soon to tell me I'm a "basement-MBA" who couldn't possibly begin to appreciate the fiscal genius of the GW board

Games Workshop used to be more than just a couple of games systems, they were a whole ecosystem, and by ensuring that as many people as possible stayed within that ecosystem they essentially locked most competition out of the market in a lot of places - people would play GW games for no other reason than they knew everyone else played GW games, and so they'd always have someone to play against, and many different ways to play them thanks to SGs. Now games that began their lives filling in the niches abandoned by GW when they began their neglect of the SGs like Warmachine are rising up to challenge the two core Warhammer systems, and new ways of finding funding have resulted in a glut of new skirmish games in tons of new fantasy and sci-fi IPs.

There are supermarkets out there that sell huge swathes of product at a substantial loss, just to make sure customers keep walking through their doors and spending money in their tills rather than their competitors', so don't anyone try telling me that GW abandoning the SG's because they weren't [/i]as profitable[i] as the main systems is business genius - money is nice, but GW need to realise that focusing exclusively on the bottom line can actually hurt said focus of attention when you lose sight of all the intangible and long-term benefits you can gain from "not-unprofitable-but-less-than-optimal" systems.

 Eisenhorn wrote:
Anyone else notice the last 2-3 White Dwarfs all had different flavors of Inq28 ?
Might be something to this one

You mean John Blanche's column, Blanchitsu? The one that's been running in every issue since the White Dwarf relaunch?

Interesting.

If they have options for Xenos, I'm in.

I've been dying to use my Court of the Archon for something.

I like this Inquisitorial idea more and more!

Heres the dilemma:
A great skirmish game with awesome models, however, each model is finecasted and cost you £28.00 (because, hey, you get some neat rule cards and special dice too!).

GW is currently testing the pricing limits, it would be great if they had the merchandise to match it.

Yeah I've been hoping for a skirmish game or supplement.
Remember when GW came out with the armor WD suppliment,
then after a while the Flyer suppliment, now Apocalypse. No where to go but the small little infantryman. I do hope they include rules to field every race not just inquisitors.

If this happens, I will definitely buy it.

Of course, I would also definitely buy a new Blood Bowl set.

 Fayric wrote:


GW is currently testing the pricing limits, it would be great if they had the merchandise to match it.

Agreed. I think I am gonna pass and spend my money on some simple white T-Shirts instead ("designed" by Kayne West no less! Trendiest white I've ever seen).

GW needs to see that they can't fool the customers!.

Holy cow that shirt is pretty mentally challanged.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Odd. I could have sworn that Space Hulk and Dread fleet both sold for somewhat less than $1000, even here in Oz, but I may be misremembering...

The hate is strong in this one

Now, now. He's making "critical observations" and providing "valuable feedback."


If this rumor is true (and Tasty's record isn't too bad with this stuff), there are so many variables involved (minis, rules, replayability, support, etc.)that it's hard to know what to think about it. It could literally end up being the worst thing GW's ever done, or the best, or anywhere in between.

 gorgon wrote:

If this rumor is true (and Tasty's record isn't too bad with this stuff), there are so many variables involved (minis, rules, replayability, support, etc.)that it's hard to know what to think about it. It could literally end up being the worst thing GW's ever done, or the best, or anywhere in between.

I appreciate your willingness to take a firm stand on this rumor and really put yourself out there!

Mmmmm ....£40 book...£60-£75 finecast warband.....29mm+ so its not compatible....
poorly supported..they makes their money then it will be dropped....crash bang.... until there next crappy idea.
Which not doubt everyone will buy it anyway because GW knows everyone will.....

I love the idea of an Inquisition game if it was fully supported. Being that most seem to agree the box release will have limited support, I'd rather see Bloodbowl. Inquisition versus Chaos over and over again would be annoying to me as my enjoyment comes mostly from the Imperium versus Xenos aspect of 40k. No support means no Ordo Xenos expansion with Eldar/Dark Eldar/Ork teams...which is where I'd love to sign on to play.

Supported for 3-4 solid expansions? Give me Inquisitor 2.0!
Not supported beyond splash or maybe one expansion? Give me Bloodbowl 2.0!

Yodhrin wrote:

 notprop wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
If its a one shot release box I'm interested anyway, if its more than that and more akin to an older GW Roleplay game with factions, then I'm likely to be in danger of spending more than the one gang anyways.

When Necromunda was in full swing last time, I had all the gangs and in the case of Escher and Cawdor, multiple gangs. I'm hoping GW might consider that if they went down the route as many folks won't restrict themselves to one gang.
Plus with a direct tie in to a 40K army I would expect them to be watching if Grey Knights got a higher percentage of sales in the following year. If that turned out to be the case I could imagine other factions eventually getting a look in.

...stuff....

...more stuff....

The thing is though back when Necro was released, I don't know about you but I was but I was Little Timmy notprop hovering up every GW product I could lay my grubby mits on. On reflection that meant I got the boxgame, a delaque gang, then another gang (£12 for a gang was allot of money then!) then played it all summer. My Epic army was neglected and 40k didn't get a look in. Will the Little Timmy's carry on with everything (unlikely know my kids!) or focus on one thing at a time.

Now I'm the other category I'll by whatever new stuff I like, which isn't that much generally.

So daft is one way of looking at it the economics of answering to shareholders is another.

Manchu wrote:If this happens, I will definitely buy it.

Of course, I would also definitely buy a new Blood Bowl set.

Tru dat!

 Alpharius wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

If this rumor is true (and Tasty's record isn't too bad with this stuff), there are so many variables involved (minis, rules, replayability, support, etc.)that it's hard to know what to think about it. It could literally end up being the worst thing GW's ever done, or the best, or anywhere in between.

I appreciate your willingness to take a firm stand on this rumor and really put yourself out there!

If true though, it isn't obviously a dud idea, right? In fact it has extremely high potential, especially since GW has historically made some good skirmish games. You just have to wonder about the execution given that the last two mystery boxes have been highly "self-contained." I think that approach would drastically limit this idea's appeal. Part of the appeal of Inquisimunda, etc lies in the way they open up possibilities.

So who knows how this will turn out? Clearer?

I honestly hope it sucks extremely bad.

... Not because I hate GW, but because I enjoy other GW games that are skirmish sized and hate the competition and the idea that people in my general gaming communities will wander toward it simply because it is made by GW.

HOPEFULLY, it is like Dreadfleet in that it is limited release and never seen again.

Again, not because I hate GW. I actually enjoy 40k, Hobbit (yes, I'm the only one I know in any of the 'local areas' I frequent), and the occasional Blood Bowl. I just don't want to have to constantly remind people that there are other skirmish level games that 'do it better' (my likely future opinion, since GW claims to be a hobbiest model company first and a gaming company second).

busby wrote:
Again, not because I hate GW.

That may be. Your reasoning still belongs in the pants on head category. Surely we all understand that people play what they enjoy and not what is objectively the best (assuming we could quantify best)?

I personally don't care if it's a limited release or not. What counts is model quality and rules, in that order. I can do everything else myself. It's not like it's hard to build an extra layer of rules when the core is good enough.

I was a big big big 40k fan up until a couple of years back when I realised that between work, husband and daddy duties I neither have the time or the money to keep up with the system.

I find myself able to get in a game or two per week but these are restricted to evenings. So skirmish games are ideal.

If GW were to release a set of skirmish rules either as a one-off or an on going system, I for one would be extremely happy. Not to mention that I could finally blow off the dust from my many 40k armies!

The mystery and limited? thing means that if it turns out to be something desirable it will be sold out in a heartbeat and many of us will not get the box. Also summer vacations means many will not be able to keep up with the news and buy things in such small time frame.

I love BB and skirmish games in general and regardless of price I'm more concerned with the material that they will be doing this, finecast will make even the most attractive game a pass for me.

Don't worry, I'm going to buy 5 boxes and scalper the living crap out of ordinary people like you.

A Nec/Inquisitor skirmish game is likely to sell well, even better if there is a little thought put into it. At 5-10 figures a faction, I could see 8-10 distinct leaders who would make up the remainder of their gang/retinue from a pool of say around 20 other types/characters.

One stumbling block is that it needs to be standalone and play out of the box. So plastic terrain is unlikely, cardstock must be heavy not too flimsy.

Other drawback is that Mantic already have Deadzone out there,figure quality looks variable bit perhaps GW waited too long to republish a skirmish game

My fiancé will have my hide if this rumor proves to be true.
I'm not supposed to buy any more models until I've finished the ones I have now...

wilycoyote wrote:
Other drawback is that Mantic already have Deadzone out there,figure quality looks variable bit perhaps GW waited too long to republish a skirmish game

Why? Deadzone is not going to compete with a GW published retake on Necromunda and more than Mantic's big systems compete with WH40k/WFB. And that's a good thing.

Hopefully there will be enough to go around. Otherwise the low-lifes will buy copies just to resell.

wilycoyote wrote:
Other drawback is that Mantic already have Deadzone out there,figure quality looks variable bit perhaps GW waited too long to republish a skirmish game

Drawback? If I was in charge of GW, I'd see this as an opportunity to cripple Mantic. GW's plastic kits don't have to cost as much as they do, and there is a strategic benefit in pricing the essentials low enough that companies without reliable access to plastic manufacturing can't afford to undercut you. Choose a few appropriate plastic kits (say, Stormtroopers, Assorted Hangers-On/Hivers, Cultists/Muties) and half a dozen leader mini-sprues, put them at the prices of three years ago and watch Mantic wither and die as they're undercut by their own customers dumping Deadzone on Ebay.

Deadzone doesnt officially release till December does it? If the Inquisitor game is true (hopefully) and releases in September then it would hit retail before deadzone (after kickstarter however).

I would love a boxed 40k skirmish game. I bet I could use it to get some of my friends who are into board games but not so much wargaming to pick up full-fledged 40k if it was good enough. I'd also be really happy with cardstock terrain like Necromunda had.

Tbh cardstock terrain would feel like a step backwards for me! But then, I suppose it worked for Space Hulk!

licclerich wrote:Mmmmm ....£40 book...£60-£75 finecast warband.....29mm+ so its not compatible....
poorly supported..they makes their money then it will be dropped....crash bang.... until there next crappy idea.
Which not doubt everyone will buy it anyway because GW knows everyone will.....

I love how everyone will buy it anyway, but that somehow it's another "crappy idea" from GW. lol

If it were crappy, people wouldn't buy it.

If it makes extremely good bank, I doubt it will be dropped. They may even place a different team of people on it for continued support so they can continue to high rate of 40k releases without disruption.

I see 20 to 30 mini`s in the box. No scenery cos well why when they sell it already. A fairly well detailed rulebook, psychic cards, wargear cards, special dice etc. And going off what has been said if it is a non limited edition game they will support, then maybe releases every other month. New characters, scenarios etc.

 Emperors_Champion wrote:
Tbh cardstock terrain would feel like a step backwards for me! But then, I suppose it worked for Space Hulk!

Stuff like scaffolding and ramps that could easily fold up in the box and provide a multi-levelled playing field would be nice on the cheap.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I would love a boxed 40k skirmish game. I bet I could use it to get some of my friends who are into board games but not so much wargaming to pick up full-fledged 40k if it was good enough. I'd also be really happy with cardstock terrain like Necromunda had.

I love the Necromunda cardstock terrain, but I don't see them doing cardstock terrain again. Space Hulk is different since it's a board game, but they haven't done card terrain since 2nd edition 40k. Even in 3rd it was plastic ruins or building your own.

I suppose they could do something similar to the malifaux range of scenery. Not really expensive and gives a good scope for what they can add later on. Though again 40k scenery is already out there cities of death buildings etc. The only thing they could do is some interior buildings, offices, housing types perhaps

aclive wrote:
the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe.

Yet another reason GW is like a drug dealer. The only difference is the the first hit isn't free.

I'd happily take Necromunda, Blood Bowl or whatever. Anything to distract a veteran 40k player from this awful edition of the game...

 WarAngel wrote:

aclive wrote:
the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe.

Yet another reason GW is like a drug dealer. The only difference is the the first hit isn't free.

It's called plastic crack for a reason and back in the day they did give a free model or box to newcomers. I got a free commissar. This was 13 years ago mind...

On second thought, Blood Bowl, Inquisitor and Necromunda all have solid rules and models. I want an updated version of Gorkamorka!

Oh great Athe, let this be true!

 brassangel wrote:


If it makes extremely good bank, I doubt it will be dropped. They may even place a different team of people on it for continued support so they can continue to high rate of 40k releases without disruption.

If Space Hulk didn't get anything after nearly selling out before release. This will not either, no matter how well it sells. It is sad how many thing sell great for GW and they never even reprint.

 BryllCream wrote:

 WarAngel wrote:

aclive wrote:
the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe.

Yet another reason GW is like a drug dealer. The only difference is the the first hit isn't free.

It's called plastic crack for a reason and back in the day they did give a free model or box to newcomers. I got a free commissar. This was 13 years ago mind...

In the back of every Black Library book I buy I see a huge advertisement that says "Come to a GW store. First mini free!"

Noir wrote:

 brassangel wrote:


If it makes extremely good bank, I doubt it will be dropped. They may even place a different team of people on it for continued support so they can continue to high rate of 40k releases without disruption.

If Space Hulk didn't get anything after nearly selling out before release. This will not either, no matter how well it sells. It is sad how many thing sell great for GW and they never even reprint.

This is supposedly a gateway game that will always be available. Nothing like space hulk

 dementedwombat wrote:

In the back of every Black Library book I buy I see a huge advertisement that says "Come to a GW store. First mini free!"

Often with a picture of a badass spacewolf, an apothecary, a vampire special character, stuff like that. Not quite the model you'd get I reckon, but hey. Has anyone tried to take up those offers? Or are they from when the books were printed a while ago and they don't do it anymore.

 col. krazy kenny wrote:

GW says, after smoking some funny stuff

I fear there is a lack of that at GW now... Otherwise they would have a sense of humor like they used to

 motyak wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

In the back of every Black Library book I buy I see a huge advertisement that says "Come to a GW store. First mini free!"

Often with a picture of a badass spacewolf, an apothecary, a vampire special character, stuff like that. Not quite the model you'd get I reckon, but hey. Has anyone tried to take up those offers? Or are they from when the books were printed a while ago and they don't do it anymore.

They still do it. You get a push fit Space Marine with a bolter. They used to give you some model from the starter, but I guess now they've made a single frame push fit Bolter marine for this purpose.

 Squat Kid wrote:
I'd happily take Necromunda, Blood Bowl or whatever. Anything to distract a veteran 40k player from this awful edition of the game...

I love 6th edition and enjoy it more than the last three editions, but even still, there's room in my heart for Necromunda or possibly even another skirmish game! Small games and skirmishes are some of my favorites.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Squat Kid wrote:
I'd happily take Necromunda, Blood Bowl or whatever. Anything to distract a veteran 40k player from this awful edition of the game...

I love 6th edition and enjoy it more than the last three editions, but even still, there's room in my heart for Necromunda or possibly even another skirmish game! Small games and skirmishes are some of my favorites.

I started in 3rd and loved it. 4th was better, especially kill team rules. 5th was by far my favorite because they got rid of all the wonky terrain and line of sight rules, and 6th seems like a step backward for me. If they could capture the essence of 4th edition kill teams mixed with Necromunda, Gorkamorka and a little Inquisitor thrown in, they'd have one hell of a game

Motograter wrote:

Noir wrote:

 brassangel wrote:


If it makes extremely good bank, I doubt it will be dropped. They may even place a different team of people on it for continued support so they can continue to high rate of 40k releases without disruption.

If Space Hulk didn't get anything after nearly selling out before release. This will not either, no matter how well it sells. It is sad how many thing sell great for GW and they never even reprint.

This is supposedly a gateway game that will always be available. Nothing like space hulk

'Always be available', huh? If it's not fantasy or 40k its shelf life is limited. LotR remains as long as the licence, a few things like Epic lasted quite a long time in various editions. But most GW games last couple of years tops, they're a distraction from pushing space marines.

I'd rather a game about the Inquisition than Blood Bowl.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd rather a game about the Inquisition than Blood Bowl.

what about a game about the inquisition playing blood bowl

I personally will keep an eye on this and make my decision based on what the actual rules and how much it will cost me in the end. If it fails, well I always have infinity.

Motograter wrote:
This is supposedly a gateway game that will always be available. Nothing like space hulk

Says who? You're projecting the collective hopes of a few starry-eyed dreamers for a new GW paradigm, supported with no justification whatsoever.

If this is true it will be a instant buy for me.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:


Says who? You're projecting the collective hopes of a few starry-eyed dreamers for a new GW paradigm, supported with no justification whatsoever.

Nobody. It's a rumour. I get it. For all we know, GW might release a box of DreadFleet 2.0 the Dreader Fleet.

But it's rather tedious to repeat in every single post that this is indeed a rumour and should be read accordingly.

It's not a bad strategy to streamline the discussion by running with, for the purposes of the discussion, the assumption that the rumour is credible, since presumably most people will be aware that this is indeed a rumour until we have some solid evidence (e.g White Dwarf scans, GW announcement, nondescript teaser trailer, blurry Games Day pics, etc..).

Indeed, this entire sub-forum on Dakka happens to be named News & Rumours. You should know what you're reading when you're here.

 greenskin lynn wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd rather a game about the Inquisition than Blood Bowl.

what about a game about the inquisition playing blood bowl

Legendary!

I expect that this year's box (and next year's box as well) will be The Hobbit 2.0 and 3.0. I wouldn't be surprised if an annual-release trilogy of boxed-release boardgames were part of their contract with NLC.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:


Says who? You're projecting the collective hopes of a few starry-eyed dreamers for a new GW paradigm, supported with no justification whatsoever.

Nobody. It's a rumour. I get it. For all we know, GW might release a box of DreadFleet 2.0 the Dreader Fleet.

But it's rather tedious to repeat in every single post that this is indeed a rumour and should be read accordingly.

It's not a bad strategy to streamline the discussion by running with, for the purposes of the discussion, the assumption that the rumour is credible, since presumably most people will be aware that this is indeed a rumour until we have some solid evidence (e.g White Dwarf scans, GW announcement, nondescript teaser trailer, blurry Games Day pics, etc..).

Indeed, this entire sub-forum on Dakka happens to be named News & Rumours. You should know what you're reading when you're here.

Except that the original rumour states that a mystery box is on the way, people saying that this will be a fully supported gateway skirmish game for 40k doesn't feature anywhere in the rumour and goes completely against everything that GW has been done in the past 5+ years.

Odds are that even if this is a 28mm Inquisitor game like the rumour says, it will be a one time limited edition release just like Deadfleet and Space Hulk were, designed to be just a quick money grab for GDub.

PhantomViper wrote:


Except that the original rumour states that a mystery box is on the way, people saying that this will be a fully supported gateway skirmish game for 40k doesn't feature anywhere in the rumour and goes completely against everything that GW has been done in the past 5+ years.

Odds are that even if this is a 28mm Inquisitor game like the rumour says, it will be a one time limited edition release just like Deadfleet and Space Hulk were, designed to be just a quick money grab for GDub.

No. Rumour says pretty explicitly that it might not be a limited thing if it sells enough. It also notes that an option allegedly being discussed in Nottingham is continued support through digital formats only.

Is that a rather whacky and unbelievable rumour? Yes. How would anyone be able to get rumours from GW's board rooms on them deliberating the possibility of doing a non-limited thing if it sells well enough? I sure don't know.

But it is the rumour for all it's worth (and the rumour, by the end of the year, should probably by judged by that).

Odds might be different, pointing to a Space Hulk style thing no matter what. But the odds are not the rumour. They are your speculation.

TastyTaste wrote:As for rules complexity that is anyone's guess, but the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe.
(...)
This also might not end up as a limited edition run, but that all depends on sales, and if any support is continued will be done through digital expansions and updates.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Motograter wrote:
This is supposedly a gateway game that will always be available. Nothing like space hulk

Says who? You're projecting the collective hopes of a few starry-eyed dreamers for a new GW paradigm, supported with no justification whatsoever.

PhantomViper wrote:Except that the original rumour states that a mystery box is on the way, people saying that this will be a fully supported gateway skirmish game for 40k doesn't feature anywhere in the rumour and goes completely against everything that GW has been done in the past 5+ years.

Odds are that even if this is a 28mm Inquisitor game like the rumour says, it will be a one time limited edition release just like Deadfleet and Space Hulk were, designed to be just a quick money grab for GDub.

Hope the original quote makes it clear what was said.

I apparently glossed over that part when I first read the OP...

My mistake, I stand corrected.

How does being limited edition or not depending on sales even work? I'm pretty sure you can't market something as limited edition and then continue making it if it sells well...?

Maybe they keep finding hidden stock buried away in the warehouse every so often?

Hey,

Part of what makes this rumour "interesting" is the fact that - if true - sounds like GW is throwing out all their established practices to cave in on the ultimate fan-wish-listing later this year. It goes against "the odds" in just about every way imaginable.

So BoK either has some serious inside information, or someone's been seriously trolled by their own vivid wish-listing.

GW could be prepping the ground for a new "third game" as and when LotR/Hobbit stagnates/license finishes. Lets hope so eh.

 warboss wrote:
I'm a bit more worried about it being based off the Blanche artwork. I realize there are lots of people out there who like his stuff but I'm definitely not one of them. For me, the Blanche Black Library
art book was an instant sell whereas the Goodwin one was a definite keeper.

Remember Femme Militant? they were rather sub par too.

 notprop wrote:
GW could be prepping the ground for a new "third game" as and when LotR/Hobbit stagnates/license finishes. Lets hope so eh.

I hope this is true just so we can see more this GW that actually moves it's butt and creates new and interesting things!

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 notprop wrote:
GW could be prepping the ground for a new "third game" as and when LotR/Hobbit stagnates/license finishes. Lets hope so eh.

I hope this is true just so we can see more this GW that actually moves it's butt and creates new and interesting things!

I do find it extremely hard to accept this,. I certainly would buy it but depending on what they plan to do. but if there is a limited set of figures i.e. a box and thats it, it might put me off. I hope its a full game and a range. if not I might just ignore it.

yukihyou wrote:
I do find it extremely hard to accept this,. I certainly would buy it but depending on what they plan to do. but if there is a limited set of figures i.e. a box and thats it, it might put me off. I hope its a full game and a range. if not I might just ignore it.

And if it's a game but not a range (ie. a fire-and-forget release to boost sales in a particular quarter, ala Dreadfleet)?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How does being limited edition or not depending on sales even work? I'm pretty sure you can't market something as limited edition and then continue making it if it sells well...?

They could produce it as a limited run as opposed to limited edition, that way once it sells out they have the option of printing off more runs.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

yukihyou wrote:
I do find it extremely hard to accept this,. I certainly would buy it but depending on what they plan to do. but if there is a limited set of figures i.e. a box and thats it, it might put me off. I hope its a full game and a range. if not I might just ignore it.

And if it's a game but not a range (ie. a fire-and-forget release to boost sales in a particular quarter, ala Dreadfleet)?

Bloodbowl I can see / would buy, but this? No, it would annoy me far to much.

If it had female inq/ sob or some other female figures and or minor aliens then I might pick it up. otherwise a 90 pound box game for 10 figures at most?, Hell no.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How does being limited edition or not depending on sales even work? I'm pretty sure you can't market something as limited edition and then continue making it if it sells well...?

I don't think there's anything to really stop you but you could just release it as a revised or even second edition with a different cover.

 -Loki- wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

In the back of every Black Library book I buy I see a huge advertisement that says "Come to a GW store. First mini free!"

Often with a picture of a badass spacewolf, an apothecary, a vampire special character, stuff like that. Not quite the model you'd get I reckon, but hey. Has anyone tried to take up those offers? Or are they from when the books were printed a while ago and they don't do it anymore.

They still do it. You get a push fit Space Marine with a bolter. They used to give you some model from the starter, but I guess now they've made a single frame push fit Bolter marine for this purpose.

You can still buy those push fit marines in 5-packs.

Three actually..

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440273a&prodId=prod1630084

 greenskin lynn wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd rather a game about the Inquisition than Blood Bowl.

what about a game about the inquisition playing blood bowl

I want a game of 2 Inquisitors fighting over whether to play "Blood Bowl" or Gorkamorka".