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 Brother SRM wrote:
Jervis has said before that it could have been GW's third "core" game since it's actually very popular, especially in Europe.

Jervis says a lot of things, but they've stopped being a part of the company policy a long time ago. Nowadays he's just some random fossil.

If it is not made as a ltd edition game and is actually a product they will support it could be a huge turning point for GW. If it is a one off then its another wasted opportunity that GW as ever fail to capitalize on

Kinda disappointed it's still not Warhammer quest.

If this is true I am sure it has nothing to do with them noticing the amount of money made by the various high profile kickstarters, and the ongoing success of warmahordes/malifaux/infinity and the smaller boutique games that are out there such as bushido etc.

SeanDrake wrote:
If this is true I am sure it has nothing to do with them noticing the amount of money made by the various high profile kickstarters, and the ongoing success of warmahordes/malifaux/infinity and the smaller boutique games that are out there such as bushido etc.

These games do not exist in GW`s world though. They clearly think these kind of games are a magical fantasy created in minds of weird folks who GW think still will buy there stuff as its the only stuff out there

SeanDrake wrote:
If this is true I am sure it has nothing to do with them noticing the amount of money made by the various high profile kickstarters, and the ongoing success of warmahordes/malifaux/infinity and the smaller boutique games that are out there such as bushido etc.

Well, there is a difference between saying that is what I think they are doing, or what I believe they should be doing, and posting this same thing as rumours from the GW boardroom that this is what they are actually doing.

Precisely because every internet-CEO of GW has been saying that this is what they should be doing, is why I can't shake the feeling that a rumour saying that this is truly what they are doing, is probably too good to be true.

Or, at the very least heavily coloured by wishlisting from the messenger, rather than solid inside information leaked to the interwebs.

But maybe I am just too gloomy.

Mythal wrote:
Considering the price tag of these limited run games, who'd pay it just to get a new rulebook for their third party minis? They're more likely to crib an illegally distributed PDF of the rules, then expand/extend/replace their third party minis with more third party minis.

If it included minis and a board on par with the Space Hulk release, people would buy it.

I probably wouldn't, as I have the current version of Blood Bowl, and as much as I enjoy it haven't had time to play it in years. I would be more interested in an Inquisitor game if it is well done.




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Motograter wrote:
This could be epic but it`s GW so.......

...it could well be awesome.

The limited edition Space Hulk was quite possibly the best boxed game that GW have ever released. Hell, even Dreadfleet was nicely done... it just suffered from the fact that GW apparently didn't think they actually needed to try to sell it. People knew what Space Hulk was, and even if they didn't care about that game could use the minis in other games. Dreadfleet by contrast needed to sell entirely on its own merits... but for that to work, GW needed to put a lot more effort into getting people interested than they did.

Heading off the rumour mill earlier probably would have helped as well. I can't help but wonder if some of the lack of interest in Dreadfleet was people being disgruntled because it wasn't Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl as was rumoured. If GW actually gave some sort of advance word on what they were working on, that would have been headed off much earlier and there would have been much less disappointment at the final release as a result.

Bring back bloodbowl. Lets face it it rocked, it didn't require massive amounts of space, it was easy to play and was fun.

I for one would love to see an Inquisitor game from GW, since building figures to play Inq28 is pretty much all I have been doing lately.

And as an aside, Blanche already is playing regular Inquisitor/Necromunda/Confrontation games with some of our forum members, and it would be nice if that sort of narative game returned to GW proper.

tomcat31 wrote:
it didn't require massive amounts of space, it was easy to play and was fun.

Which are exactly the same merits as a well done skirmish game. Which has the added benefit that the models are compatible with 40k (if they're Inquisitor warbands in the box, they're a perfect for for a Grey Knights army).

i love bloodbowl, and have the xbox version, as well as the orginal tabletop game.

that said, i also really liked the idea of inquisitor. it had great fluff, the rules made a sort of ...sense, and it was pretty expansive. its only major fallback was lack of balance. nothing had a points system, or way of determining rarity, or what you could take. when the local store ran a campaign shortly after release, someone showed up with a warband of 5 space marines. completly curb stomped anything out there,

if they redo inquisitor into a 28mm scale, even if the minis dont work with 40k ill be looking for balance. if a inquisitor boss is 100 points, a space marine better be 500, or something simaler. because the old rules - a space marine with just a bolter and his power armor would crush any other 'normal' warband all by himself without even blinking.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Davespil wrote:

At least if its 28mm and the rules are pretty good we can just get a copy of them and play the game as long as we want. But blood bowl is utter crap.

Have you actually played Blood Bowl on the tabletop? Jervis has said before that it could have been GW's third "core" game since it's actually very popular, especially in Europe. And who gives a goddamn if they don't "get" American football? It's a different (if similar) game. I don't care about Blood Bowl, but a lot of people play it and enjoy it.

Blood Bowl is brilliant - one of the best games they have ever created/released. I don't know much nor do I care at all about American Football or Rugby for that matter, and I have even less interest in playing Madden. What I do have interest in is playing a fun, flavourful, characterful sport-themed boardgame with a Warhammer theme, which Blood Bowl fits to a tee.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Even if the rules suck, we'll get some great minis out of it.

I'm hoping the other way around.

Do not forget the possibility that they will both suck!

Or be in a scale that is incompatible withWH40K... but who would be stupid enough to do a game about the Inquisition that cannot be used with WH40K?

Blanche... is an artist that used to be really good. I love his art for the original Realms of Chaos books. But his old style was too time consuming for GW....

The Auld Grump - pessimism is better than optimism, this way... if I am wrong then there will at least be a good game!

Im all over this, this is the first thing to get me genuinely excited in GW in a while.

Dont get me wrong, Blood Bowl woudl have been nice, but as we know GW is all about the splash releases now there were far too many races that wouldn't have made the cut.

A new skirmish game based around Inquisitor would be fantastic, the fluff that was introduced for the Inquistor 54mm game was some of my favourite ever. Its just a shame the ruleset wasnt robust enough. I even did an article about it on my site. http://www.conclaveofhar.com/hobby-articles.html

*Shameless plug *

With the plastics that GW can produce these days we could get some really great models out of this.

JB may not be everyones cup of tea but there is no denying his artwork is very evocative of the 40k grimdark style. Im fed up of clean lines and overly busy armoured minatures, some Blanchitsu style design could be a breath of fresh air.

My only concern is that as a gateway game it will be toned down and simplified ruleswise. so as not to put off little Billy who is starting off in the hobby.

I will be watching with much interest.

 DarthSpader wrote:

if they redo inquisitor into a 28mm scale, even if the minis dont work with 40k ill be looking for balance. if a inquisitor boss is 100 points, a space marine better be 500, or something simaler. because the old rules - a space marine with just a bolter and his power armor would crush any other 'normal' warband all by himself without even blinking.

That, or balance it with abilities that would center around an Inquisitor's influence and special skills.

It would be pretty awesome to spend half the game off the battlefield pulling strings, really get a feel for how Inquisitors work behind the scenes.

Alright so looking at the timing/nature of this product and previous releases you can come to a couple of conclusions:

- They need a new product to push at Games Day (see: Dreadfleet).
- This is more likely than not to be a single unsupported release (non-artificial demand excluded due to uncertainty) with the possibility of a few fleeting digital release articles/expansions.
- The cost and scale of the models (read: compatibility with other systems) is unknown, but from previous releases we can expect it anywhere from the $150-$200 range.

The otherwise excessive lack of information means it is otherwise down to speculation on what the actual product is. Though I can see them advertising this out the wazoo through their current channels.

 Fafnir wrote:

 DarthSpader wrote:

if they redo inquisitor into a 28mm scale, even if the minis dont work with 40k ill be looking for balance. if a inquisitor boss is 100 points, a space marine better be 500, or something simaler. because the old rules - a space marine with just a bolter and his power armor would crush any other 'normal' warband all by himself without even blinking.

That, or balance it with abilities that would center around an Inquisitor's influence and special skills.

It would be pretty awesome to spend half the game off the battlefield pulling strings, really get a feel for how Inquisitors work behind the scenes.

...except that would be utter Bantha Gak in a combat situation. If that's what you want go play the FFG RPG's with a GM with a history in WoDesque games or somesuch. That stuff has little place in a combat situation; I don't care how manipulative you can be, you can't source some magical bullet in the few seconds you have to respond to that ominous sound on the other side of that creaky wall, for example. Combat situation focused games will (and should!) focus on combat skills.

A better idea would be to tell anything in power armour to STFU and GTFO of this power level - that or have some nasty psykers all round to mess with marines. Generally the one thing they're consistently described as being just as vulnerable to as the next guy
Actually I think that'd be way better. "Suuure, have your two or three marines against a ten strong warband - have fun being burnt from the inside, liquefied, sucked into the warp etc".
That could be fun (I mean, the moment some unlucky guy from that 10 man band is spotted by a marine he's dead as a doornail). Asymmetrical gameplay is good and if they could get such vastly asymmetrical builds to work in what is an open list-building pointsbased wargame that would be awesome.
...Of course the idea of GW and balance has that idea leaving a slight taste of ashes in my mouth, but let's dream for the time these are all still rumours

After getting into Infinity, I'd really dig a 40k Skirmish game. If it's like the OP says - open ended enough that you can design your own Warband, it doesn't matter at all if it's not supported with miniature releases.

Remember, there's a huge wealth of miniatures to draw from just from GW to make these, even if you need to find some guy selling one Catachan model. Add to that the massive 3rd party market of bits and complete models, and you've got some great scope for making a unique warband.

if the missions and narrative structure (if any) are open ended as well, it's again does not need support. As long as there's a decent structure for making some vaguely balanced warbands and a decent structure for putting together scenarios or, with premade scenarios, a campaign, I'll buy it, and I know my friends and I will play it.

The lack of an accessible 40k skirmish game is what drove me to Infinity (Necromunda, while there, wasn't what I was looking for). While Something like this won't make me give up Infinity, it'll be a great addition to my game collection.

Is the sleeping giant waking up? After the release of 6th GW started doing something never seen before, the constant pumping of new codexes every single month with new miniatures to boot. Not only that, we now have supplements filled with fluff and cool stuff.

They actually took the decision of axing their specialist games and now rumors of a possible new franchise? It kinda seems they are trying to break the stagnation.

P.S: For me, I just hate how Blanche paints his minis. I get it, it's 40k, it's grimdark, but there's no need to paint all minis vomit green-brown.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Is the sleeping giant waking up? After the release of 6th GW started doing something never seen before, the constant pumping of new codexes every single month with new miniatures to boot. Not only that, we now have supplements filled with fluff and cool stuff.

That's not something we've never seen before. They did the same thing at the start of 3rd edition. Then they ran out of steam, realised that supplemental codexes were an idea that was great on paper but that really annoyed people who were having to buy multiple books to play a single army, and completely changed direction and codex design and everything slowed back down.

Sounds too good to be true, considering how idiotics GW top management is.

If true, it will probably be the best thing that ever happened in my life (well not really, but I'll be damn happy).

 insaniak wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Is the sleeping giant waking up? After the release of 6th GW started doing something never seen before, the constant pumping of new codexes every single month with new miniatures to boot. Not only that, we now have supplements filled with fluff and cool stuff.

That's not something we've never seen before. They did the same thing at the start of 3rd edition. Then they ran out of steam, realised that supplemental codexes were an idea that was great on paper but that really annoyed people who were having to buy multiple books to play a single army, and completely changed direction and codex design and everything slowed back down.

The only thing that annoyed me personally about the old supplement system was some unit entries were in one book while others were in the main book. The new system neatly sidesteps this by only doing FoC alterations, warlord traits and wargear.

Though they introduced a new irritation in the books being too fething expensive even by GW standards. $83au for the codex and $50au for the supplement is just laughable. The sooner I get a tablet so I can get the epubs from Black Library, the better.

There isn't much savings there though!

So if this comes out, how long until they start sending cease and desist letters to people making Inquisimunda blogs and other fan made rules like In The Emperor's Name?

What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

 Micky wrote:
What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

It's anybody's guess, really.

There were a lot of models in Space Hulk. Not as many in Dreadfleet. Without some more idea of just what they're doing with this game, there is just no way to tell what will be in the box.

Not only a lot of models in Space Hulk - look at what they packed into Island of Blood and Dark Vengeance, at the detail they acheived?

Since it's for 2-4 players, probably be enough random henchmen to make 2 good warbands and 2 bad warbands, and a few different 'leaders' (maybe one of each ordo, plus a Chaos leader).

Purely wishlisting, because this would be fantastic.

15 or so Imperial henchmen, 3 Inquisitors (Xenos, Malleus, Hereticus).
7-8 Chaos henchmen, 2 Chaos leaders (Sorcerer and Fighter, not necessarily Marines)
5-6 Genestealer Cultists, 1-2 Purestrains, Magus, Broodlord.

You could set up a variety of different matchups - Xenos purging a Genestealer Cult, Hereticus or Malleus going after a Chaos Cult, combines game with all 4, inter-Ordo bickering, etc.

What no Pocketdemons card game ! well if it has a nice boxed set with all plastic figures then i am interested.

 frozenwastes wrote:
So if this comes out, how long until they start sending cease and desist letters to people making Inquisimunda blogs and other fan made rules like In The Emperor's Name?

If that happens then we'll know it's an Inquisitor thing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
I haven't seen any hate for it yet.

Let Bryll punch his straw man. It's all he's got.

Except for once it's nothing of the sort, unless you consider deriding JB's work as "scribbles" and claiming no model based on his work could fit in with 40K(despite him being one of their primary concept artists) to be high praise. Also, while amusing and fairly accurate, making sarcy comments about Dreadfleet whenever the subject of a boxed game comes up(funnily enough, the same comments people were making about the potential Bloodbowl boxed game which has suddenly transformed into the Holy Grail now there's alternative rumours not to some people's taste) is hardly what I'd call love.

 Snrub wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
Sounds bloody brilliant to me. But keep up the hate guys!

I haven't seen any hate for it yet. It's just not what people want to see from GW from this release.


It's not like people are saying they don't want this, it's the majority would prefer Bloodbowl over an Inqisitor based game. No outright hate though.

The majority, eh? I'd be interested to know where you're getting that from - I've seen more INQ28 warbands floating around online in the last month than I've seen new Bloodbowl teams in nearly a year.

While I'm not exactly ecstatic about the idea that GW would kill off some really fantastic games just to rerelease them in a more expensive, less available, and narrowed in scope format, they'd be far more likely to get money out of me for what's described in the OP than a rerelease of a game I've not seen anyone actually playing since 2001. In fact, the only thing they might be more likely to get money out of me for is probably a new GorkaMorka box.

Anyway, I doubt very much this is true, because as money-grubbing and cynical as such a release would be, it would still require GW's higher-ups to have taken the unprecedented step of paying attention to what's going on in wargaming outside of their own little alternate reality down at GWHQ.