Yonan wrote:Not sure where you got credit for free stuff from. All I saw was:
- Backers get what they pledged for. The survey will let them say exactly what they pledged for.
- Backers get more rewards than retail purchasers will, as retail don't get the free addons from stretchgoals.

Snrub wrote:

Update #39

Dec 24, 2013
BackerKit rolling out soon
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We're beavering away here at Battle Systems Towers (the home of BS and everything is bang on schedule. We've been working on the new re-tools (making the accurate even more accurate) and designing the new stuff.

To make sure we stay on schedule we need you, the backers, to fill out the BackerKit pledge manager before 1st February 2014. We will be rolling out the BackerKit in a few days so expect an invite in your email.

BackerKit is very easy to useBackerKit is very easy to use

You'll be able to login, update your address details and choose your add-ons. Those who've paid up fully will find that they have 'credit' to spend on add-ons. Choose wisely Late backers (those who jumped in after the KS or pledged for the £1 reward tier) will be in 'debit' ie they'll need to add funds. It all makes sense when you see it.

You'll be able to login and and out as much as you want up to the manufacturing stage. We will be 'locking down' the BackerKit on February 1st 2014 when we'll be giving our manufacturers their final orders. In order to get the stretch goals you will have to jump in and pay in full, before this date of 1st Feb 2014. Those who pledged during the KS are already guaranteed their stretch goals of course. Well done you

After the BackerKit is locked on the 1st Feb it may open again later in the year if we have stock to offer or/and new items. This means we may be able to offer the Stronghold set again if you require another set or could not jump in before the 1st Feb. However as noted above there will be no Stretch goals or free items as listed on the KS. These will be basic sets, but still be totally awesome. ;o)

A note on postage: please double check your postage is paid up. This will save a lot of time for us. Also, the late backers need to make sure they purchase either an Outpost, Station, Stronghold or Hulk, not just add-ons. This is purely so we don't get screwed into the ground paying for postage!

A note on BackerKit: please note that the reward levels differ slightly as the UK postage is included in the price. The international postage (Rest of World) has the UK postage subtracted. The final cost to you is the same.

For example, the Stronghold Sweet Spot pledge is £70 on Kickstarter with £8 shipping to the UK and £16 to RoW. On BackerKit it is £78 for the UK and £8 shipping RoW. On reflection we should have included the UK postage from the start but this was our first Kickstarter and the learning curve is steep! Again, it all makes sense when you see it.

Here's a handy INFORMATION ONLY page you can look at if you don't want to keep looking at the KS page:

http://www.battlesystems.co.uk/bskickstarter.html

Information only page that details pledge levels and add-onsInformation only page that details pledge levels and add-ons

Finally, a few people have pre-arranged to pay via PayPal. The BackerKit won't be much use to you so you will need to contact us directly so we can add you in manually. Just choose what you want and we will invoice you. Please, no more PayPal requests, it's truly a pain in the bum!

Enjoy Christmas (if you celebrate it) and know that we're busy slaving away and ignoring our families for you, our beloved backers

Wayne and Colin.

P.S. Final terrible joke of the year:

Darth Vader: Luke, I know what you've got for Christmas.

Luke: How?!

Darth: I felt your presents....

Sneak peak of the next update ) - FIRST WHITE SAMPLES )))))))

Couple of tweaks needed, but In short... they are good )Couple of tweaks needed, but In short... they are good )

Full report next update- Over and out we now take Xmas day off..... ZZZZZZZZZ

(Colin)

Update #40

Dec 28, 2013
Mini Update ... First invites to BackerKit...
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Ho Ho Ho...

Just like Santa we are checking our list twice... unlike Santa we are then checking our list many more times. Our list is on BackerKit and we want to get it just right.

So here is the plan.

Due to the festive season the support desk at BackerKit will be low on staff. So... we are going to send out the links to the BackerKit to just a few backers tomorrow. Then if there are no issues we will start inviting the rest. By the close of the day on the 1st Jan 2014 we will have sent out all the invites so you can jump in and make your selections. )

1. We send you an email with a link to BackerKit

2. You click the link and open BackerKit

3. You will see that your pledge is confirmed at the level you chose

4. If you added additional funds for 'Add-ons' this will show as a credit, (money you can allocate to the Add-ons'). Just select the Add-ons you chose until your credit is used up. (your account will show as £0.00 left to spend)

5. If you want to add more than your original amount you pledged on the KS then just select more Add-ons and when you confirm you will be directed to pay for your additional items.

6. That's it, you have until 1st Feb 2014 to do all this. )

Pre-Arranged Pay-Pal Backers.

If you are one of the Backers who have 'pre-arranged' with us to pay by PayPal then you will still be invited to BackerKit. Just follow the Link to BackerKit, but make a list of all the items you want (or alternatively look at the information only list at http://www.battlesystems.co.uk/bskickstarter.html )

Send your list to us at our main business email info@battlesystems.co.uk (do not use the KS email/message service) We will then send you a PayPal invoice for the amount and once you have paid we will update your backer kit for you.

Please take your time to select everything you want before sending us the list as we will only be able to send you one invoice. You can only pay by PayPal if you were one of the few backers who were talking to us about paying this way while the KS was running. Taking PayPal payments has to be done manually by us and takes time and cost us additional fees ;o)

That's about it. Next update (unless we have further BackerKit notices) will be about the White Copies and manufacturing update. So here is a sneak peak of a Cargo crate.
Close up.


Close up.

Over and out for now...

Colin & Wayne

 Snrub wrote:
So how crazy did people get with buying add-ons?

I managed to contain myself to one each of add-on 6, 7, 10, 12 and 13.

$44 total. Not as bad as I was expecting.

Creator Battle Systems Ltd about 7 hours ago

Hey guys, just pencil sketches at the moment, I'll be working on the infested walls next week. Will have pics before the BK closes )

It is likely that not all these add ons will be available as a full on purchasable product after May. We are not sure how we are going to release the retail versions, but Hulk, Infested Walls, Clean Walls were all KS requests. We may or may not have these in the future.

Project Update #42: White Copies...
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Happy New year to all and...

...You may dispense with the pleasantries commander, I'm here to put you back on schedule

Oh, ok then )

White Copies

So it's back to work for us (in fact work started again boxing day night. lol.) As promised this update will focus on the start of the manufacturing and pre-tool tests.

Before we make the now extensive range of tools required to cut your sets we have made a couple of test tools. These tools test that we can cut everything we want. The KS was moving pretty fast and we were pumping out the designs to meet the weekly update deadline we had set as a bar as we worked through it. To test the tooling we chose two tools to be manufactured in full. The main 'Walls' sheet as this would be the core of the product and so need to be bullet proof. Also the 'Room items' sheet as not only is this also a core sheet in the set, but one of the most complicated and hard to make.

Although we already had test tools made in April last year (we hurled at them our most complex tool at the time) we are always nervous when producing tools. We can confirm that apart from some minor adjustments the tools were exactly as we expected. )



Here are the two tools 'Walls' and 'Room Items'


The above picture shows both these test tools and you can see they are unprinted as we are just testing the fit... and it costs lots of money to set up the printing plates ;o) These sheets are set so that we can deliver what is needed in the right ratios for the KS, but also for the retail product when we get these to your local games shop D

Apology accepted Captain Needa...

The tool drawings are made by us and these are drawn by me (Colin, AKA "The Ginger Claw") then they are overlayed and checked by Wayne (AKA, many things), then sent back to me for checking before uploading to China for production. I used a slightly earlier version of the tool drawing when doing this for the Room Items and so one of the pieces was wrong... the Transfer Conduit... basically the top part was too long as it was based on an earlier design compared to the sides. See below pic... lol.



The top far end of this conduit should be bigger so that the slots are long enough to sit flush when assembled.

This is why we have the tools made and before we go to the full production run to fulfil all your lovely sets we will have tested every tool and even have a fully printed finished production set sent to us so we can basically play with it for a few days and test it works just fine... then we hit the print button.



All the parts slotted together )

Above a pic of some of the parts slotted together and in the tub (on the left) some fully printed versions from April last year.



Standard door



Up close and personal... V-Console



Top of the V-Consoles before they are pushed out of the sheet

Fit of the pieces...

The Walls sheet was fine and everything slotted together fine. The room items was nearly perfect except for a few alterations we need to make. Some of the slots were slightly smaller. This was not actually and issue and you can always make a slot bigger, but we will always go for perfection first... shoot for the stars and you get the clouds thrown in. ;o) All the parts slotted together fine and so we are confident as always.



Up close and personal - Cargo Crate

On the sheet...

When these sheets arrive to you they will be packed tightly together. All the components will be held in place by location 'nick cuts'. These cuts serve a few functions. First at the factory in China. When handing hundreds of thousands of sheets having bits drop out on every sheet is a nightmare and will cause massive delays as well as damaged sheets as they are not sitting flat when wrapped. Second there is no issue of parts falling out in transit from China to us and then onto you. What this means is that when you receive the sheets they will be in tip top condition and ready to pop out. For best results you can use a hobby knife and just let it cut the 'Nick' It's basically just like cutting your miniatures off the sprue... except there is no horrible flashing to clean up ;o) (Cool)

Post print and pre-cut drying...

Our manufactures are one of the best when it comes to printing and die-cutting. Early in the procurement phase we quizzed then about how they combat warping of the boards while shipping. They are experts in the industry and have a full post print and dehumidification process to prepare the sheets ready for stamping and also for shipping. This was just one of the factors that pushed us to pick them, even though they were not the best price we received. Hopefully we have done everything we can to combat this )

And so we push on...

Right now we are finalising the tools and finishing the artwork, soon China will have the tools and start construction. We actually tired to get you some pictures of the tools, but the method they use is quite secret and they did not want us to publish them publicly. lol

BackerKit...

By now you should all have your BackerKit invites. We had a few issue of people not getting theirs so check the junk mail folders (many found them in there) and just let us know if you have not received it. We are getting lots of orders of additional items, so grab them while you can. It is likely that not all these add ons will be available as a full on purchasable product after May. We are not sure how we are going to release the retail versions, but Hulk, Infested Walls, Clean Walls were all KS requests. We may or may not have these in the future.

Next major update...

We may well post small updates regarding BackerKit or general communications but the next major update planned so far will be - Clean and infested walls, as I should have them finished by then! ) This will be before we close the BackerKit so you can make an informed decision on what you are buying. This will be the same for the Bunker hopefully too )

Over and out for now

Colin & Wayne

these are just the first run, the walls will have some damage too. ) already done some minor roughing up on some of the others.

If the infested walls ever make it to the shops we would look at the floors too. For now the plan is KS only, but if they do well we could expand

I have a version with the green secretion (shown) but also a more brown secretion too, not sure which direction it will go... but it will hit me in a day or two

just been doing some more touching up on these. Decaying the under wall a bit more and for some of the walls adding some more infestation.

Monday (KS Update) night I'll post all pics and you'll see that the infestation looks just about right. You can clearly tell the difference, but also it blends in well so you can have different areas blended in with infestation, or and entire area of your set up. Also the trick is to make the infestation work well with a multitude of different games, AvP or SWBA etc etc.

Then before the end of Jan (before we close the BK) We will also show more of the bunker set, as so far you have only seen part of what is included in the set. Also a video to explain the finer point of the main set, like what ramps are included in the additional ramps sheets and other info.

Update #43

Jan 13, 2014
Infested Walls... Yeah Baby!!!



"What the hell is this stuff?"

How we approached the design...

Born out of requests while the KS was running the Infested Walls are now done.

While designing the Battle Systems terrain we talked about many directions we could take and one of the ideas was to do some alien infested walls. It was something we thought we would get round to later in retail if there was any demand. After a few days into the KS though it was clear that it was something that everyone wanted.



The trick with infested walls is to draw them right. Too much in one style and it can limit the range of games they can be used for, too vague in style and they just don't look right. So a few sketches and concepts later we had the design.

Next was the texture. We wanted them to stand out so they had to be bold, but too bright or too much colour and they will look cartoonish. Too realistic looking and it would pull you out of the immersion of the game. We want to escape real life ;o) Also we wanted them to blend nicely with the walls so that you could have a few infested areas here and there, but also bold enough that it would look good if you covered half your base with them.

We decided that it would be best to have the infestation on every side of each wall. This allows you to really infest your base set without having to buy up large amounts of the wall sheets. We will most likely show this in a later update as part of a video. As you will be aware we also have a Clean Walls set, but these walls are quite different and so we will approach these in a different way. We will have some of the walls textures Clean one side, Standard original on the other. This will allow you to isolate the Clean textures into a room to a certain extent. More on this later. )



And the finished walls are...

So here they are. Rather than just draw and texture one side and then flip the image to the other side it became clear that organic life will need more variety. Space station walls need uniform designs and repetitive patterns otherwise it looks messy (we know we tried it), however repetitive organic stuff looks odd when it should be chaotic while it randomly works it way across the walls. So we put different arrangements of infestation on each side of the walls. This means that in one sheet of walls (3 Walls, 1 Door Wall and 1 Blast Door) you actually get a total of eight different infestation patterns. This is done on the ramps too. We have put different levels of infestation on the walls as well, only subtle, but we think it helps to break up the uniformity and so help the immersion.

Here are the pictures of the eight different arrangements of infestation.

















So with infestation on both sides you can immerse yourself and have massive areas of your set up infested. Maybe you could have infested lower levels and the upper levels clean so you start your game on level 3 and have to work your way down.. into the lair )

Here are some pics of the walls in action. We only have time to prototype a small amount of walls so the shots are up close and personal. )



Clearly it all started from this clone chamber...

Ok so there you have it... Infested Walls. We will most likely not be manufacturing more of these as part of the first production run so grab them while you can.











BackerKit

About 70% of the backers who supported us have now logged into backer kit and confirmed their pledges, Add-ons, address details etc. If you have not done so yet (regardless of whether you want to add new items) you will need to log in and confirm your orders. Even if you just picked a Stronghold and want nothing else, you'll need to at least confirm your shipping address. So jump in have a look whats there and confirm whats needed )

PayPal

For those few that had pre-arranged to pay via PayPal (you know who you are), assuming you emailed us, we have your orders and will send out a PayPal invoice soon. Once we have done this and you have paid, we will update your BackerKit for you. )

Thats if for now, over the next few updates we will bring you - Clean Walls and what sides will be textured - The Bunker and what you can do with the ratios as the only set up photo we have showed you so far is not using all of what you get in the pack - A video explaining a few of the finer aspects of the set (like what you actually get in the additional ramps) so you know what and how many additional items to pick up before we close the BackerKit.

So thats it for now, hope you are all recovering nicely from the festive fun.

Over and out for now

Colin & Wayne

Project Update #47: VIDEO UPDATE!!!
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BACKERKIT CLOSES - last chance to finish your orders...

This is it, the final update before we close the BackerKit, if you have not confirmed what you want then now is the time. Make sure your addresses are correct, your add ons are correct... damn... make sure it's all just perfect as it's time for the fun to start D

Ultimately if you have not updated and allocated your funds to what you want we will not be able to send you your lovely goodies, so make sure you check in and check out! If you have not received your link or don't know what to do, just send us a direct email to info@battlesystems.co.uk

As it's now the weekend we can't actually speak to our distributors and manufacturers until Monday so we will leave the BackerKit open until late Sunday night/early Monday (UK time). This will also allow you time to watch the video and make your final choice.

(Note: when the Lock down happens your debit/credit card will then be charged accordingly via STRIPE. Some backers will be charged on Saturday, others on Monday depending on when your own BK was locked down. - Wayne.)

BackerKit has been massively active every day right from it's launch on the 1st of Jan. Just like a mini KickStarter it has slowly grown and in the last 24 hours its been receiving at least double the normal activity, which was already massive. We've had great feedback about how easy it is to use and navigate. It cost a small fortune, but clearly it's made your and our lives a lot easier, so I suspect we will be using it again... Thank you for the positive feedback.

Video...

Ok, so if you like to listen to a virtually un-edited me (Colin) chat about some of the finer points of the set then this is the video for you. Here is what is covered in the video... more or less.

What do you get on a wall sheet
What can the wall sheet make as far as rooms go
What do you get on the Ramp sheet, what the ramps are for... and something extra
How do the bunker walls connect to your normal walls
Infested walls (infested both sides?)
Clean walls (Clean both sides)




What happens next...

Once we close the BackerKit we have to count the orders. This is a long task that we need to get right. When you manufacture you don't just make sets. It would be great if we could ask for "3000 Strongholds please", we have to talk in "moulds, Kinds, Sheets, Prints, Stamp Sides, Runs"... and so on. This means that just a single sheet is made up of a Stamp side and a Reverse side, plus a mould (Die-cut tool), so you can imagine what a Stronghold is made up of.

This will take some time and as soon as this is done we will pass the count to the manufactures ready for the final costings. At the same time they will be making all the tools we require... in total there are nearly double the amount we started the KS with, which is great )

After this we have a full white copy test product made (basically a finished cut set with no printed image on it) and this will be sent to us for testing. Then, providing no adjustments are needed we will get a fully printed set. Finally, we make adjustments and then we hit full production and the waiting game starts.

We will keep you up to date along the way as always and make sure you know what is going on.

That's about it for now so jump on BackerKit and make your final orders.

Over and out for now.

Colin & Wayne

Update #49

Feb 23 2014
And so it begins...
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Begun the tool war has...

Well we have been busy, (yes we always say that, but only cos we are always busy ). In particular this last couple of weeks we have been in very close communication with the manufacturers as they begin the very hard task of building all the tools we need.

They chose a couple of the harder tools to start with in this case the 'Mixed Room Items 2' and the 'Elevator, Win Wall'. They need to adjust them slightly on a couple of the slot sizes, but otherwise all good. These will be the tools that they use to cut your orders ).

Here is a picture they sent us as part of the communications.



Just sitting on the desk all cocky like, "check us out yeah"Just sitting on the desk all cocky like, "check us out yeah"



Mixed Room Items leftover sprue after the bits have been popped outMixed Room Items leftover sprue after the bits have been popped out

Below is a reminder of what these sheets make.



a Reminder of what the Mixed Room Items does )



... and the Elevator )

And we just keep giving

The keener eyed among you might notice that both these tools have got a little extra on them than listed on the KS. Mixed Room we have managed to fit on A small Crate (different colour and size than the standard ones in the set), Hatch Counter and a Crate Counter. The Elevator sheet has two small hatch counters and....

... another Window Wall....

... what surely not how can this be...

Yes it was something that was much requested. Many backers asked is we could not have two Window walls in each Add on and we agreed, but said it would not fit on the tool. We had a small idea they we might be able to, but could not say this in case it would not work, so far looks like it is ) The additional window wall does not come with ramps, but you will have plenty left over for this within your current allocation of ramps included in the standard Stronghold.

And we continue...

So it's all technical stuff going on now with sheet adjustments, tool construction and general communication. Considering we are doing something that nobody has done before to this detail, as far as tools are concerned, we are amazed that we have not hit any issues. Every new project has issues, it was one of the first things I was told by a very close and successful gaming company "Something always goes wrong, mould issue, material colour" so we are monitoring our progress very carefully and our manufacturers seem to be as fussy as us, so all good so far. (yes I'm aware I may have just jinxed the whole thing for those superstitious types out there)

Lastly we do have odd moments when we can't work directly on this project while are waiting for someone else (I even watched a film with the wife last week) normally this is filled with admin and general business tasks, however as a business we need to focus on future projects and as part of this we have started work on our Fantasy Line...and it looks mighty fine so far D

BackerKit...

Lastly we must tell you that Backerkit is fully locked down and we are collating all the orders together for the final shipping costs (not looking forward to this one) and also for the printing numbers.

We may open the BackerKit again in the later months or before we ship, but any orders of the Stronghold will not have stretch goals, from now on we offer only the standard set... which is totally awesome value BTW )

And that is all for now, we are still on time for a May delivery (so far) and all is good...

Over and out for now

Colin & Wayne

 GrimDork wrote:
I dunno about you guys, but I think one of the most exciting things about this project for me is getting to crack open the box and start playing with everything. I mean, sure, we have to pop all of the bits out of the sheets. Maybe we even have to ply a brand-new-sharp hobby knife in a few areas, and maybe we'll want to get some markers to blend the white edges away. But still, there won't be any endless sprue clipping or slicing with a hobby knife, no prepping priming or painting. Looking forward to just diving in without all of the extra up front work.

 GrimDork wrote:
Aww no DZ terrain love? Its the very first thing I tore into after I verified I had the right number of baggies of models Granted the second baggy of models I opened had a broken plague dog foot, that was easily sorted with a bit of glue. The terrain is lovely, but if you want to assemble it in a robust manner with the clips... you will need more. Like... double the amount you received. At another poster's suggestion I've been delving into using clips only where absolutely necessary and using hot glue on my "permanent" structures or modules. It seems to work pretty well.

My only concern is that the bunker walls I ordered may clash with my fortifications sprues in terms of aesthetic. I guess the DZ stuff is habtainers and the bunker walls are on-site constructions...

Can't wait for mantic to get my my missing accessory sprues... going to have a veritable mountain of boxes, canisters, and barrels with which to fill up a large indoor warehouse

 Yonan wrote:
Get enough and play 40k >:-) Some of us *may* have gotten enough ; p Wouldn't really require any rules mods I would think. You'd probably want to limit it to 1K or less games and you'd be unlikely to want to take any armour, unless you made a mission where you were attacking an armour depot and the tanks were able to defend inside said depot, but unable to leave the hangar they're in.

 RiTides wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
Get enough and play 40k >:-) Some of us *may* have gotten enough ; p Wouldn't really require any rules mods I would think. You'd probably want to limit it to 1K or less games and you'd be unlikely to want to take any armour, unless you made a mission where you were attacking an armour depot and the tanks were able to defend inside said depot, but unable to leave the hangar they're in.

I only got a Hulk, but I'm hoping to use the walls without the floor tiles as terrain on a spaceship looking board (the Games & Gears anime wars board).

I know the walls hook into the floor, but I'm an engineer, hopefully I can figure something out

Failing that I'll just have really cool Hulk to play something like, er, Space Hulk with at some point

Project Update #50: Samples arrive … Our full technical report to you )
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Well well, what have we got here… After much waiting while our manufacturers painfully create every tool we have finally received the first half of the samples and they are fully cut and printed as would be the final product )

Below are our first impressions and review. Quite technical in parts, but essential for every backer ;o)

Arrival

Yesterday we received the first half of the samples. These are not the white copies but the fully printed and cut articles. We unpacked them with the mind set of your good selves and the anticipation of receiving your goodies. I was a little anxious as to the final print surface as we had asked for a more Matte finish to remove a little of the gloss. Also to see the cut of the tools.



We could not wait and unpacked the sheets at the storage facility, helpful staff member Anil is our beautiful assistant manager

Print finish

Well I can say that the finish is very good and the sheets look stunning. If you were happy with the print quality of the ones we made (the ones you have seen on the KS, at shows and in all the videos) then I can confirm that not only are they up to the same standard, but better, more detailed and generally better quality. Also unlike the prototypes that we made, these are protected a little. When we took our prototype to shows we did get the odd rain drop land on it while carrying it from the car to the show hall and the ink just ran. These (while not water proof, they are just card) will not suffer from this as you can just wipe them clean.



Empty sprue after we popped out the parts from the Room Items sheet



All the parts assembled. (plus the Battle table from another sheet as we got excited about that one ) Spot the alternate designs that we agreed to put on the V-Consoles while the KS was running when we got enough backersAll the parts assembled. (plus the Battle table from another sheet as we got excited about that one ) Spot the alternate designs that we agreed to put on the V-Consoles while the KS was running when we got enough backers



The right Wall is our prototype which looks great, but is grainy compared to the finished article )

Penning

The above assembled parts have not been penned and as you can see the finish is great. On the prototype (as seen on the KS) we penned the edges of all the walls and any of the grey parts so that there were no white edges showing (the card we used for the prototype was white). Here the card is already grey (which we knew it would be) and it's perfect as the edge colour. That just saved everyone who was planning on penning the edge of their set some time.

Labels and card

The sheets are named and numbered to help us pack these in the right quantities and also to help you identify which bits go together. The sheet card is of a good density and each sheet is heavier than the card we use in the prototypes by about 30%.



A fresh un-punched sheet- just before I push out all the juicy bits )

Tool cuts

We mentioned in an earlier update that we would have the tools 'Nicked' to keep all the pieces in place on the sheet while in transit and also to help the manufacturing process while being packed in the factory. These have the Nicks in place and they do their job very well. All the samples we got (half of the tools so far) stayed in place well with no separation in transit. Ours were only wrapped in bubble and put in a courier box too. Yours will be in it's own box made to fit your set )

Like when you cut your plastic miniatures off their sprues or when you pop out your miniatures from the blister packs there is a little bit of adjustment to be made on some slots. Instead of using a scalpel to remove and clean flash or mould lines from your miniatures, here you would use a scalpel to remove a tag on a slot where the tool-blade makes its final pass.

So that the parts are perfectly cut with no join lines, we have the blades of the cutting tool terminate in the slot (the slots are where you would put the plastic connector clips or where the room items slot together) this gives you the most accurate cuts on the edges of the pieces, so no wonky walls and corners are right angles. It's all very technical, but does mean our manufacturer can use shortened blade lengths and so have more accuracy and strength in each tool.

Every part popped off the sheets perfectly with no hassle whatsoever, just use a hobby knife to cut any tabs off in some of the slots and you are ready to assemble. It was strange as it was just like separating minis from their sprues… something we have not done for some time now that we are in the trade, ironic really, … we are definitely going to have a nice game of something once we have delivered your goodies…. what shall it be, DeadZone maybe? )




Sheet alignment

As with any printed product that is two sided things need to be lined up. There is a 3mm tolerance on this which is why you always have a bleed (extra image around the edge of every part that needs to be cut) this means that if the blade is off by 1mm there will be no white lines or jarring image issues. We have designed our sheets with this in mind and the samples are great. Occasionally you can see where the cut is slightly off (this is normal and within tolerance) but the bleed lines work perfectly so when popped off the sheet the offset disappears and the illusion is kept. In fact the samples we have received are much better than the prototypes you have seen on the KS video and photos. We made these ourselves by sticking an image to card, then cutting this out, then cutting the image for the other side and placing them on the other side… by hand, we have some wonky ones in the videos I can tell you, but it really does not matter or notice when assembled. In short the alignment is better than our prototype and we are pleased.

Conclusion

Overall we are very happy indeed with these first samples as they really do look great (which is the most important part) and we will be testing them extensively over the next few days. Despite this we are perfectionists… so we are writing a full report to our manufactures of improvements we would like to make…. can they get those slots more accurate, can the sheets line up even better, can the parts magically fly out the box and assemble themselves with a chocolate on a pillow to finish?… shoot for the stars and get the clouds thrown in we have said before and are still saying. The rest of the samples are being packed up and sent today by our manufacturers and so we should get these sometime next week.

We are still expecting to receive the delivery in May. Our target date was always the 5th May and then packing and sending out to everyone throughout May. Now this is still possible, but we could receive the delivery around May 10th- 15th, which means most of you will get your goods around May end, but will keep you posted as always.



Just started by slotting stuff together and bunging it on the table

We (you guys and us) are tooling something that has never been achieved before to this complexity and so far we are winning, thank you all.

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/08 21:44:04

Post by: Yonan

Just read through the update and... yay, getting a better product than the test stuff. Can't complain about that!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/08 21:45:19

Post by: GrimDork

Video looks good. Looks like this stuff won't be quite the amazing open the box and zomg there's terrain in it I had in the back of my mind, but it'll be closer than anything else. It'll be like popping models off of a sprue and dry fitting them for poses but then being done. So yeah still super excited, and this is potentially coming mid-late next month?

WE GET OUR LOVELY TERRAIN IN A MONTH AND CHANGE!? I swear it feels like I've ordered normal stuff not from a kickstart that's taken this long, really impressed with the speed of this.

@Yonan I was in TLDR camp, it's better material now? Sick. I also like that they get their storage from Staples, means I should be able to copy cat them!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/08 21:49:21

Post by: Yonan

Haven't watched the video yet, but from the update text I got:
- 30% denser cardboard (higher load toloerance, more durable etc basiscally)
- better finish on the surface so water damage much less likely.... don't play with it in the bath though. (I should have cancelled my pledge...)
- higher quality/resolution images
- card coloured grey already so less need to pen in the sides to match the surfaces
- "miscuts" won't be problematic as the textures overlap the cut by 3mm so even if it's 1mm out, it'll still be (basically) fine.

iirc

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/08 21:53:14

Post by: DaveC

 Yonan wrote:
- 30% denser cardboard
- better finish on the surface so water damage much less likely
- higher quality images
- card coloured grey already so less need to pen in the sides to match the surfaces
- "miscuts" won't be problematic as the textures overlap the cut by 3mm so even if it's 1mm out, it'll still be (basically) fine.

iirc

You do recall correctly indeed - I did read the update myself but put the video first as I'm sure people will look at the wall of text and think sod it I'm not going through all that!

@Grimdork you probably could make a good looking set up for Dreadball around the edge of the pitch but as it's just decorative with no game purpose I don't see the point but it would look cool.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/08 21:54:12

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 GrimDork wrote:
Video looks good. Looks like this stuff won't be quite the amazing open the box and zomg there's terrain in it I had in the back of my mind, but it'll be closer than anything else. It'll be like popping models off of a sprue and dry fitting them for poses but then being done. So yeah still super excited, and this is potentially coming mid-late next month?

WE GET OUR LOVELY TERRAIN IN A MONTH AND CHANGE!? I swear it feels like I've ordered normal stuff not from a kickstart that's taken this long, really impressed with the speed of this.

@Yonan I was in TLDR camp, it's better material now? Sick. I also like that they get their storage from Staples, means I should be able to copy cat them!

Actually, if its anything like TerraClips - and its look much better manufactured - you should be able to assemble a bunch as you pop them out. The props are no brainers, and you can do some sample setups, too. Its way more fun that way.

I'm fully planning on queueing up a few movies on the BlueRay, and spending most of a day popping them out and putting stuff together.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/08 22:05:33

Post by: Yonan

 DaveC wrote:
@Grimdork you probably could make a good looking set up for Dreadball around the edge of the pitch but as it's just decorative with no game purpose I don't see the point but it would look cool.

Don't see the point.... would look cool....
*RG4 logic error*
*Does not compute*
*Self destruction imminent*
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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/08 22:07:42

Post by: GrimDork

@Dave I know it wouldn't serve any purpose, just like the $175 jail kit thing they're selling on the DBX kickstarter doesn't technically serve one either, but it might look cool

All of those enhanced features sound lovely, I can't wait to play with this stuff.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/08 22:39:55

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If they do a modern day terrain KS at any point in the future (think office buildings, houses, gas stations, strip malls, street lights, etc), I will be all over it like stink on manure. The production quality and layout on each sheet looks like they really know their product, and I'm looking forward to their future ranges.

~iPaint

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/09 18:18:01

Post by: RiTides

Wow, impressive update and follow-through on this campaign so far!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/10 04:23:08

Post by: Snrub

Yeah loving this the more I see it. Glad I got in on it.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/13 08:03:03

Post by: Azazelx

 -iPaint- wrote:
If they do a modern day terrain KS at any point in the future (think office buildings, houses, gas stations, strip malls, street lights, etc), I will be all over it like stink on manure. The production quality and layout on each sheet looks like they really know their product, and I'm looking forward to their future ranges.

~iPaint

Oh! That would be brilliant!

And to think that I had to pull my pledge. but still managed to un-pull my pledge via the PM and than add even more.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/13 08:40:17

Post by: angelofvengeance

This is gonna look so sweet when it's assembled . Should make my DZ buildings look a little more habitable.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/13 09:21:05

Post by: DaveC

Fantasy themed is next they even have prototypes ready to go (no photos yet) if you want modern get involved in the next KS comments Colin and Wayne are very open to suggestions.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/13 10:55:12

Post by: scarletsquig

I think I'm definitely all-in on the next KS they launch.

I've decided that the Mantic battlezones are tricky to put together (those bloody connectors...) and paint to a good standard and while the end result can end up looking better than pre-printed card it takes a much longer time to get there, and I just don't have the time with all the other hobby stuff to do as well.

So, for Kings of War terrain, I'll definitely give the fantasy stuff a shot.

If they produce a good range of ruins it might even get me playing Mordheim again!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/13 11:37:36

Post by: Azazelx

Fantasy will be interesting, but detailed interiors are really more for the RPG-crowd, and maybe dungeon crawler tiles, which again, are a bit more RPG-crowd. Or lots of fantasy buildings (think Bree) also is more of a RPG and skirmish thing. Which would look ace, but not get as much use the sci-fi stuff in terms of gaming.

For big-troop-block fantasy, I think of scattered individual buildings rather than detailed interiors. It'll be interesting to see where they take it, at least.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/13 12:47:18

Post by: DaveC

It will most likely be similar to the sci-fi in set up so internal dungeon type stuff some of the parts like the walls are just reskinned versions of the sci-fi walls I wouldn't be expecting to be able to build a town and exteriors from it even the sci if bunker walls were a last minute addition.

Expect dungeon crawl boards not fantasy terrain as such.

You can see the very early design work here
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-sci-fi-modular-terrain/posts/649905

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/13 13:01:18

Post by: GrimDork

Yeah, this is most likely to be dungeon-crawl friendly terrain. I bet if people ask enough you'll get buildings though, just like you can assembled 4 walls together and build upwards into a tower, with the right skin they could make buildings. And the bunker set implies outside connections as well... but definitely most likely to be inside.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/13 13:35:35

Post by: Siygess

Essentially it's going to be more directly competing with what's already available from Terraclips. I agree that the clips themselves are a little over-engineered but it remains to be seen if their texture work is as good as the "..of Malifaux" and "Dungeon Rise" sets.. or how good the furniture is compared with the furniture in the "Dungeon Rise" boxes.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/14 03:15:32

Post by: GrimDork

What I'm concerned about is the timing of a BS ltd fantasy dungeon terrain kickstarter and Mantic doing their DKH4 kickstarter as they will probably be doing hard plastic dungeon terrain for it. It's supposedly going to be a "mini-kick" but I don't see how they'll keep it at a low value if they do the dungeon equivalent of their Battlezones they did for Deadzone. I'll want the BS stuff for ease of use and lack of work to make it look good, but the DKH4 terrain might look and weather even better if they do it right. The BS stuff would probably go further per dollar, but if they tweak the connector system and make it a bit easier to keep things modular... mantic HP fantasy dungeon terrain may just win outright for me. My fear is that one will run before the other and I'll have to back not knowing how the other will turn out. Ahh well, either should work pretty well.

At least I should have had a chance to play with the Scifi battle systems stuff to know which I prefer handling and storing, so that's something.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/14 16:53:57

Post by: judgedoug

I will explode if they do a fantasy one.

One of my favorite games is Warhammer 6th Edition Skirmish w/ Mordheim, and I have been itching to run a campaign for my gaming buddies where each game is the setpiece battle with roleplaying elements afterwards that will dictate the next setpiece battle. With my eclectic collection of Chaos and Empire figs from the late 80's til now and a buncha Mordheim dudes it'll be perfect.


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 GrimDork wrote:
What I'm concerned about is the timing of a BS ltd fantasy dungeon terrain kickstarter and Mantic doing their DKH4 kickstarter

Wouldn't be surprised if they worked together on it. They used Mantic models in their shots and they dropped hints about a possible future partnership.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/14 21:23:36

Post by: GrimDork

I thought about that... but Mantic is almost guaranteed to do hard plastic, and BS does card. I'm not sure how they'd be compatible, even if the companies are friendly. I think it would be some kind of awesome, I'm just not sure how it would work out.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/15 00:37:14

Post by: Yonan

If I had to choose between the two, I'd have to choose BS over DZ for general use (said without having BS in hand yet). DZ terrain is great, but I think for your usual 2x2 Deadzone game, BS terrain will be more fun. For a 6x4, yeah a lot of outdoors terrain such as the deadzone stuff will be better.

Dwarf Kings Hold is small/skirmish scale and fully indoors right? If Mantic follows my line of reasoning they'd probably benefit greatly from a partnership with BS. If they combine and advertise the KS as a fantasy skirmish/RPG god-mode KS... Screw playing on cardboard tiles (a quick look at DKH on Mantics site) when you can have multilayered wall/level sections like BS have shown off. That said, BS don't have a copyright/patent/whatever on cardstock walls and Mantic could feasibly do it themselves I'd imagine. The "pre-painted" aspect of cardstock is *very* alluring over plastic.

(disclaimer: I know nothing about DKH)

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/25 13:14:46

Post by: Snrub

Update #52

Mar 25 2014
Set Care
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It's update time again and as mentioned in the last one we wanted to show you a short video.

This video looks at ways you can improve the life of your set. Something we always had in mind, but only now could we test it as we have the final set sheets to play with.

So without further chit chat from me, click the video below then read on regarding the finer details.




As you can see sealing the edges really turns the card into a solid piece of kit. The glue seeps into the porous edges by 2-3mm and then is dry within a few seconds. I'm guessing it takes a few minutes to really set solid.

We are really impressed with this as it means the treated parts just feel like plastic and as far as we can tell these edges will never wear as card normally can over time. What we have noticed is that the card does darken after the glue has been applied and stays darker. It's only slight and in the case of the Clone chamber it actually more accurately matched the darker metal so its a win win here. If you are going to 'Pen Colour' the edges of your set then you will need to do this first. Once you have applied the glue to the edge, this edge will no longer except any pen colour. So colour first then seal.

We've not tried any other glues or sealants and most likely will not have time before we send out your goodies, but the good news is you will have plenty of spare card left over after you have popped out all the parts and so can test and experiment as much as you like )

Penning your Card

For our prototype (the one you've seen on KS, FB etc) we penned the edges as the card was pure white. We have a grey/brown card stock for the final product and so there is no need to pen this grey onto all the walls and most of the components. However some of the room items and parts of the set have different colours and so you can edge these with a thick marker pen of a similar colour and this will help to add to the realism of the terrain.

Below are a some of the final product pieces we have penned as well as some bits that really don't need penning at all.



We were not sure the yellow would work on the AirLock Surround, but it does )We were not sure the yellow would work on the AirLock Surround, but it does )



The Window Wall (like all the walls) does not need penning, but we did pen the iron textured edge of the Buttress





No penning needed on these V-ConsolesNo penning needed on these V-Consoles



We use: Letraset Pantone markers, but most artist markers will do. In fact we suspect that ordinary felt tip pens will do too. You'll have all that left over card to experiment on so take your time, test it on the scrap card then see if it looks right.We use: Letraset Pantone markers, but most artist markers will do. In fact we suspect that ordinary felt tip pens will do too. You'll have all that left over card to experiment on so take your time, test it on the scrap card then see if it looks right.

Penning your set is certainly not necessary as it looks amazing just as it is, but if you want that final tough of class, it really does looks great.

A few seconds of fun...

Finally a bit of fun with the Railings. You will almost certainly get more Railings than you need in the set so here we used a cross clip to make them into barricades. The potential for using parts of the set to make things that were not originally intended is quite vast, but we don't have time to mess around with that… you on the other hand certainly will.



x4 Long Railings and a single cross clipx



You could make quite a few of these and use them inside your set or for your current external set ups )You could make quite a few of these and use them inside your set or for your current external set ups )

That's about it for this update, not sure whats in the next as we are still in the final testing phase, which means we could be hitting the production button by the end of next week. We are just conducting final factory audits and crossing the 'T's' and dotting the lower case 'j's' … Then it begins )

Over and out for now

Colin & Wayne

Those make-shift barricades are nifty.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/25 13:49:05

Post by: GrimDork

Yeah nice! I'm really looking forward to bulking up my scatter terrain with all of the battlesystems bits.

Now, to watch the video.


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Wow that superglue trick is excellent. I was wondering if that would be a thing you could do, looks like it certainly is. Then the penning. What's nice is that you can opt to do the superglue fix and penning after the fact, you don't have to do such prep before you ever use the terrain.

I wonder, though, if you need to do the penning and gluing in a particular order? I may have to pop on the forums and see if they know if it matters. I could see the ink not covering the glued surface well (or are they paint markers?) or the glue not seeping in as well through the paint (and or discoloring it). Either way, even if you can't use both, it's a nice pair of techniques to enhance the set.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/25 14:13:16

Post by: SavageRobby

From my experience building (many, many) cardstock models, you'll want to edge before you glue. Even if the glue seeps in, it will create a barrier to most ink pens, and the best you'll get is splotchy coverage.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/25 15:07:18

Post by: RiTides

Yeah, they mentioned that in the text but it was a little buried. I would have thought it was the opposite, so I'll try to remember... pen first, THEN glue the edges!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/03/25 16:04:19

Post by: GrimDork

Oh cool, I thought I read through everything but I guess I'm slipping :p Good to know.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/09 23:31:06

Post by: Snrub

Update #53

Apr 9 2014
Make it so… I said MAKE IT SO!!!
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What a fast paced couple of weeks we've had. Last minute adjustments, fine tuning, phone calls to our manufacturer in China, a day of twiddling our thumbs, shipping company meetings, sorting out customs set ups, drinking lots of tea (to stay awake) and generally juggling last minute stuff.

Manufacturing

We have now fully finished the sample testing and all tools are ready. We thought we had done this last week, but thanks to a final check we found a small error on a tool (not too critical, but we wanted to get it fixed) and corrected this. This made us check through every tool again )



Here you can see that the Turbine tool was missing a cut on the clip area that allows the additional conduit to clip to the wallHere you can see that the Turbine tool was missing a cut on the clip area that allows the additional conduit to clip to the wall



On one of the Docking Bay sheets the clip slots were too small, these can easily be widened, but we wanted them wider so that any adjustments are minimal.On one of the Docking Bay sheets the clip slots were too small, these can easily be widened, but we wanted them wider so that any adjustments are minimal.

Timelines

One of the main issues with a project like this is that it has never been done before and so both ourselves and the manufacturers are in constant contact. When we launched the KS we made sure that we gave ourselves plenty of time to create these lovely sets and so set up a timeline for the whole process. This was based on design, printing, stamping, shipping etc. To make sure we did not deliver late we built into this an additional month of slack time. This was not a time for us to slack off, just spare time to account for issues that we could not foresee. Lucky for us we did that as we used this time developing all the KS stretch goals we hit due to how well we were received. Thanks again for that BTW D

The start time for manufacturing was Monday 31st March just gone, but we have not quite started yet. There are no issues or problems, just simple (but necessary) administration tasks and last minute corrections. Contracts are signed and shippers are ready to haul it over to us when we give the nod. We are just making sure (both China and ourselves) that this gets done properly due to the job complexity.

We made some last minute adjustments to some artwork (professionally spotted by China) and right now digital proofs are being produced and these need to be approved by us… then we are ready to go. We always want to be honest and not just blame it on manufacturing issues, so these are the real life time issues we have faced over the last 2 weeks and wanted to share this to keep you in the loop.

The original completion date for shipping to us (in London, UK) was the 15th May, leaving us a couple of weeks to get it all out to you guys. With the week we have lost and also some adjustments to the manufacturing time this could be a two week delay. This means that we will receive the shipment in the first week of June if all goes to plan and then start shipping out to you guys. It pains us to have to inform you of any delay, even a small one and we will keep you informed on this as we manufacture. Once we have this first project under our belts we will know exactly how long it takes to manufacture this new product and so future KS set timelines (yes we have plans for more, starting this year in the summer) will be based on actual manufacturing experience of the printing and tooling. We have just had confirmation that the printing will start this Friday, so we should be good to go.

Ok so now for some instructions…

As mentioned in the last update we wanted to post up the instructions for assembling all the components on the different sheets here on the KS. This means that by the time you get the goodies, you will already know what you're doing from the moment you open the box.

Here is the first one, it's the easy one.

So we have shot the instructional videos for every sheet type you get and we will continue to post these on every update… basically as we edit them. Then just before we launch, these will become part of our website so they are always available for you and anyone else jumping on board.




Clips

We are visiting our clip manufacture this Friday and will be getting these sorted ready for the sets. We have been testing many different plastics for these to make sure we get just the right type. We were looking at having these injection moulded to reduce the cost, however until we are sure this will work well we will not commit. This means that we will be having the clips laser cut just like our prototype, this is very expensive, but we know it works and that's the important part right now. The phrase 'no expense spared' is certainly fitting here ) More on this in another update.

Salute

Don't get excited we did not get a stand there this year, but we will be visiting Salute ready for next year (when we will have a stand) and so you might see us wandering about. Just grab us and say hello if you spot us, we will be happy to answer any questions you have, or just have a chat. We will have our trusty iPad with us with some photos of some new stuff, so if you ask nicely... we might show you a pic or two of what you can expect later in the year. To see these pic's you must use the code words "Make it so" ;-)

That's about it for now. Next update and each update there after will introduce you to your set with the assembly videos. In the meantime we will continue to focus on the manufacturing to get this all just right.

Over and out for now

Colin and Wayne

So a small delay. Nothing major but rather necessary it would seem. Lucky it got caught. Nice to know the project isn't too far off track.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/10 00:29:03

Post by: GrimDork

Sadface. At least they're putting quality first! I was thinking this was coming sooner for some reason, got my dates off, now its at least two months away noooo'oooooo. Well, I'll live lol. Time to watch that video.


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I like how easy everything looks to pop out and assemble so far.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/16 01:47:19

Post by: Snrub

Update #54

Apr 16 2014
If we never get in a car again...
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… we will be happy.

Three days in London Monday to Wednesday, Six hours in the car round trip on Friday to see the clips manufacturer and then 6 hours in a car on the Saturday for Salute. Every now and then the dates in the diary pile up on each other we inevitably end up eating some of our 3 squares meals in a car. What if I told you, you're not stuck in traffic… you are traffic. )

Anyway it's update time and the above really is a high class problem to have, so here we go.

Clips

This is not the main clip update, that's still to come, but I will explain briefly that the meeting we had went very well indeed. We had a straight two hour journey (it was the return journey that was a nightmare) and then a two hour meeting. We had samples cut while we were there on machines worth more than my house and was testing them moments later. We have fallen on our feet again as the company really are the most amazing to talk to. In short it looks like we have what we wanted and have improved on the clips that we showed you on the KS. It costs a little more, but the upgrade will be worth the extra pennies ) We are getting final samples next week and when we hit the 'Go' button on these we will do a full update.



Here you can see that I'm holding the final clip design next to a couple of the prototypes )Here you can see that I'm holding the final clip design next to a couple of the prototypes )

Salute

Great day out all round. We met up with some of our fellow friends in the trade, Mantic, Bushido, Otherworld Miniatures, but the highlight was meeting some of you guys (you know who you are). Getting to chat with you about what you liked and what you want in the future was super cool. Also feedback both audio-verbal and non-verbal really was worth the journey. We showed you some of the next product line and the response was a unanimous thumbs up, so that's one hurdle over.

It was our first time at Salute and when we arrived our first impression was it was smaller than expected, feelings exaggerated partly due to all the driving in the past 24 hours at that time. However 3 hours later we had only just managed to walk the whole show and was then tasked with backtracking to the stands of note. In short great show, great stands and great atmosphere.

We give Salute a 5 star rating and I'm sure you will see the highlights soon as Warren and the crew from BoW were there with their cameras.

Assembly

Finally here is the Second in the series of assembly instructions. Last update was sheet 01, Floor Tiles. This Update is sheet 02, Walls. Each update from now will have a new new video until we have shown every single sheet in the set including all Add on sheets too.




That's it for another update.

Over and out for now

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/16 02:26:34

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Thanks for sharing, sounds like more good news.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/16 02:35:01

Post by: Yonan

Our epic tables will soon be complete!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/16 04:08:10

Post by: RiTides

Yep, things look to be progressing well! What is it with miniature gaming companies and teaser pics with the image blocked out lately, though... I think Infinity has started a trend

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/16 12:02:43

Post by: GrimDork

Damn them!

Speaking of Infinity, I dunno about you guys but with the thin walls... I totally plan to have my remotes climbing all over the place with the aid of magnets

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/24 20:45:21

Post by: DaveC

Another long update - basically the clips have been done in laser cut ABS grey plastic

Spoiler due to lenght

Spoiler:

Project Update #55: Clips, Trips and Video Tips...
Posted by Battle Systems Ltd ♥ Like

Well I hope you all had a nice Easter (for those celebrating it) we certainly consumed our body weight in chocolate products and roast dinners. Not much happened over Easter for us, however China does not suffer this holiday and so they have been busy for us )

Production…

I can confirm that printing production has started on the main part of the product so now it's just a waiting game to see how this goes. We will be kept up to date with the progress from China and will pass the news to you guys as it comes in.

Clips…

Ok so finally we have the finished clips and have pretty much tested all aspects. We are confident enough to show you these now and so here we go.



Clips sitting on top of the stamped card sheets straight out the box

The fact is this. The clips were by far one of the most difficult aspects of this project to manufacture. Do we injection mould them? Do we laser cut them? Can we have them die-stamped like the card sheets? Each method has its advantages and weaknesses.

Injection moulding can be risky as the slightest change in mould or bubble would make the clips useless. Cost wise it's heavy up front costs, but then cheap per set of clips
Die-Stamping them is much less upfront costs and then low cost per set, great. However unlike the card sheets we have stamped these can not easily be adjusted if slots are too small. We need to wait until this method becomes more accurate, for such a small part.
Laser cutting them is low upfront costs, but then costs per sheet are very high. However the finished results are perfect.

Well of course we have opted for the laser cut clips. The clips we used on the KS were laser cut and so we have stuck to this method.



Close up of the clips on the sheet

Finding a manufacturer who could do this at the right cost and to our specification was another story far too long for this or any update, but in short… it was very very hard. However we have now got a fantastic UK laser cutter company that can not only give us what we need, but also they are just as passionate about what they do as we are about what we do. They have some of our samples and we have both been testing the clips. On the clips themselves we have made adjustments to slot size, mouth point curves, material to name but a few. All tiny adjustments, but well worth the effort.

When we first started making the prototypes we used card clips, cut by yours truly. These are great for us to mess around with, but card clips are not durable or able to be die stamped so these evolved.



Original card clips

Next were clear Acrylic clips. These were only clear as this is what the guy that cut them had to hand at the time. We had seen clear clips used before on card products and they stood out like a sore thumb. However when we got them we quickly realised that as our clips are considerably smaller the clear clips blended in well with the terrain. This was good as our plan to find a material that would be a similar colour to our artwork on the card was proving very difficult. So we kept them and used them on the KS. However the draw back with Acrylic clips is that Acrylic is very brittle. In the 7 months of testing on our prototype we broke about 7 clips. Not too bad considering we were taking out sets on the road to shows and meetings. The main issue then... when we got our first samples from China we found the small prongs of the clips would crack when pushing them onto the samples… Why, because the actual finished product card was about 1.6mm instead of 1.5mm - Well this caused 'flat shear' pressure in the mouth of the clip. Thin means clips could become useless if the card thickness varies, which can happen as part of natural manufacturing process.



Acrylic Clips

So we pushed for our Holy Grail, clips that were similar to the colour of the terrain and also less brittle. Enter ABS plastic clips. We had some made for us and they performed perfectly. They had a small amount of flex to them (tiny amount), and this meant that 1.6mm card (or thicker) was no problem. These first samples were black and again actually blended quite well with the set, but not as good as the clear acrylic did. Black is not good enough for us and we had our eye on the only colour you can get in 1.5mm ABS sheet. 'Grey Pinseal' We could not get hold of this ourselves so we travelled a couple of hundred miles to the manufacturer for a meeting where we had some clips cut in front of us and we tried them out right there and then…



Black clips samples did the job perfectly, but we needed that grey colour



Clips popped off the sheet

Wow they were perfect, the clips blend in well, better than the clear acrylic ones and with no issues whatsoever. The clips also have a textured surface on one side, this looks great as it compliments the textured artwork of the walls and walkways…



Textured side



Smooth side

… and then we rested

Sheet of clips…

So your clips will come on a sheet and sit snuggly in your box so no chance of damage. The clips are held in place by small tabs (just like your miniature are on their plastic sprue) and all you do is pop them out with your fingers, although a sharp knife or thin clippers will give a better result. Just like your plastic miniatures you can cut or clip off any left over knobbly bits from the tabs, but we didn't bother.

[img]https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy
/N51a8ARK9Ln8POa0I8IhNNl8eoyEmyLFqZpDWyqMts7072vA_bNvdfYa57WhuoZRlp_gUaULVFUIodbOK5IHegqV7M7FhIbYnCmqFqLsimPJZL5VcQWHSKX0qRY-J3wjYb0-rv2kfmedyA3uAZX2CaPLwuKhXMFaksqVcyncceqSKw=s0-d-e1-ft#https://d2pq0u4uni88oo.cloudfront.net/assets/001/917/126/78fdd7f67dd7c47b6354a8d006ef32d2_h264_high.jpg?2014[/img]

Each sheet contains a whopping 136 clips, (as of this update, we might change this if needed) nearly double what we said. We thought we should give as many as was needed to cover stretch goals etc. We built many set ups and getting the ratio of each clip type was challenging, but we have a good mix. You will have some clips left over on some set ups and might be a clip short on other set ups, but you can always substitute one clip type for another if needed. basically you will have plenty of clips for lots of set ups ) If you have a Hulk set these will come with less clips as it's the multilevel aspect of the Stronghold that really uses lots of clips.



Long shot of a simple single level set up with the new clips



Close up of the clips in action… well just sitting there actually

In conclusion the clips are fantastic and we love them, you will too )

UK Games Expo

For any of you that are in the UK (or outside if you want to come to blighty) we will have a stand again at this years UK Games Expo. It's in Birmingham and will run from 30th May - 1st of June. Including being open 24 hours a day for through the night gaming. We will have a full set up of the terrain for both our current sci-fi range and a full set up of our new fantasy terrain. Feel free to come visit us on either the 31st or the 1st. (the 30th is gaming only so no trader stands)

https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk
All calm before the show opened last year. This year we have a bigger stand so watch outAll calm before the show opened last year. This year we have a bigger stand so watch out

Assembly video

Finally we leave you with our next assembly video, this week we have the Ramps.




Hope you enjoyed this update about the clips. We do go into a lot of detail on these updates, but as creators we think it's important that we explain what we are up too so that when you get your goodies you feel part of the final result. Lets face it, without your support the terrain would not happen. When you get your box remember... you made it )

Over and Out for now

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/24 23:13:56

Post by: GrimDork

Sweet, those look nice. Starting to get excited again, getting down to not much over a month left now. Excellent.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/25 01:35:46

Post by: Snrub

Yeah I can't wait for these to get here.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/30 11:42:12

Post by: larva_uk

Oooh, new sneaky peeks up of the upcoming fantasy card terrain. I'll be having some of this.





http://battlesystemstws.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/first-sneak-peek-of-the-fantasy-terrain/

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/30 12:03:22

Post by: GrimDork

I wanna see the full variety they manage to produce before I flip out but... that looks killer already.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/30 12:03:31

Post by: RoninXiC

Amazing stuff.. it's just cardboard.. so hard to believe.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/04/30 12:55:46

Post by: bbb

That fantasy terrain looks amazing!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/02 07:50:41

Post by: Azazelx

Yeah, I'm pretty bloody impressed.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/02 15:17:25

Post by: RiTides

 DaveC wrote:
Another long update - basically the clips have been done in laser cut ABS grey plastic

Spoiler due to lenght

Spoiler:

Project Update #55: Clips, Trips and Video Tips...
Posted by Battle Systems Ltd ♥ Like

Well I hope you all had a nice Easter (for those celebrating it) we certainly consumed our body weight in chocolate products and roast dinners. Not much happened over Easter for us, however China does not suffer this holiday and so they have been busy for us )

Production…

I can confirm that printing production has started on the main part of the product so now it's just a waiting game to see how this goes. We will be kept up to date with the progress from China and will pass the news to you guys as it comes in.

Clips…

Ok so finally we have the finished clips and have pretty much tested all aspects. We are confident enough to show you these now and so here we go.



Clips sitting on top of the stamped card sheets straight out the box

The fact is this. The clips were by far one of the most difficult aspects of this project to manufacture. Do we injection mould them? Do we laser cut them? Can we have them die-stamped like the card sheets? Each method has its advantages and weaknesses.

Injection moulding can be risky as the slightest change in mould or bubble would make the clips useless. Cost wise it's heavy up front costs, but then cheap per set of clips
Die-Stamping them is much less upfront costs and then low cost per set, great. However unlike the card sheets we have stamped these can not easily be adjusted if slots are too small. We need to wait until this method becomes more accurate, for such a small part.
Laser cutting them is low upfront costs, but then costs per sheet are very high. However the finished results are perfect.

Well of course we have opted for the laser cut clips. The clips we used on the KS were laser cut and so we have stuck to this method.



Close up of the clips on the sheet

Finding a manufacturer who could do this at the right cost and to our specification was another story far too long for this or any update, but in short… it was very very hard. However we have now got a fantastic UK laser cutter company that can not only give us what we need, but also they are just as passionate about what they do as we are about what we do. They have some of our samples and we have both been testing the clips. On the clips themselves we have made adjustments to slot size, mouth point curves, material to name but a few. All tiny adjustments, but well worth the effort.

When we first started making the prototypes we used card clips, cut by yours truly. These are great for us to mess around with, but card clips are not durable or able to be die stamped so these evolved.



Original card clips

Next were clear Acrylic clips. These were only clear as this is what the guy that cut them had to hand at the time. We had seen clear clips used before on card products and they stood out like a sore thumb. However when we got them we quickly realised that as our clips are considerably smaller the clear clips blended in well with the terrain. This was good as our plan to find a material that would be a similar colour to our artwork on the card was proving very difficult. So we kept them and used them on the KS. However the draw back with Acrylic clips is that Acrylic is very brittle. In the 7 months of testing on our prototype we broke about 7 clips. Not too bad considering we were taking out sets on the road to shows and meetings. The main issue then... when we got our first samples from China we found the small prongs of the clips would crack when pushing them onto the samples… Why, because the actual finished product card was about 1.6mm instead of 1.5mm - Well this caused 'flat shear' pressure in the mouth of the clip. Thin means clips could become useless if the card thickness varies, which can happen as part of natural manufacturing process.



Acrylic Clips

So we pushed for our Holy Grail, clips that were similar to the colour of the terrain and also less brittle. Enter ABS plastic clips. We had some made for us and they performed perfectly. They had a small amount of flex to them (tiny amount), and this meant that 1.6mm card (or thicker) was no problem. These first samples were black and again actually blended quite well with the set, but not as good as the clear acrylic did. Black is not good enough for us and we had our eye on the only colour you can get in 1.5mm ABS sheet. 'Grey Pinseal' We could not get hold of this ourselves so we travelled a couple of hundred miles to the manufacturer for a meeting where we had some clips cut in front of us and we tried them out right there and then…



Black clips samples did the job perfectly, but we needed that grey colour



Clips popped off the sheet

Wow they were perfect, the clips blend in well, better than the clear acrylic ones and with no issues whatsoever. The clips also have a textured surface on one side, this looks great as it compliments the textured artwork of the walls and walkways…



Textured side



Smooth side

… and then we rested

Sheet of clips…

So your clips will come on a sheet and sit snuggly in your box so no chance of damage. The clips are held in place by small tabs (just like your miniature are on their plastic sprue) and all you do is pop them out with your fingers, although a sharp knife or thin clippers will give a better result. Just like your plastic miniatures you can cut or clip off any left over knobbly bits from the tabs, but we didn't bother.

[img]https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy
/N51a8ARK9Ln8POa0I8IhNNl8eoyEmyLFqZpDWyqMts7072vA_bNvdfYa57WhuoZRlp_gUaULVFUIodbOK5IHegqV7M7FhIbYnCmqFqLsimPJZL5VcQWHSKX0qRY-J3wjYb0-rv2kfmedyA3uAZX2CaPLwuKhXMFaksqVcyncceqSKw=s0-d-e1-ft#https://d2pq0u4uni88oo.cloudfront.net/assets/001/917/126/78fdd7f67dd7c47b6354a8d006ef32d2_h264_high.jpg?2014[/img]

Each sheet contains a whopping 136 clips, (as of this update, we might change this if needed) nearly double what we said. We thought we should give as many as was needed to cover stretch goals etc. We built many set ups and getting the ratio of each clip type was challenging, but we have a good mix. You will have some clips left over on some set ups and might be a clip short on other set ups, but you can always substitute one clip type for another if needed. basically you will have plenty of clips for lots of set ups ) If you have a Hulk set these will come with less clips as it's the multilevel aspect of the Stronghold that really uses lots of clips.



Long shot of a simple single level set up with the new clips



Close up of the clips in action… well just sitting there actually

In conclusion the clips are fantastic and we love them, you will too )

UK Games Expo

For any of you that are in the UK (or outside if you want to come to blighty) we will have a stand again at this years UK Games Expo. It's in Birmingham and will run from 30th May - 1st of June. Including being open 24 hours a day for through the night gaming. We will have a full set up of the terrain for both our current sci-fi range and a full set up of our new fantasy terrain. Feel free to come visit us on either the 31st or the 1st. (the 30th is gaming only so no trader stands)

https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk
All calm before the show opened last year. This year we have a bigger stand so watch outAll calm before the show opened last year. This year we have a bigger stand so watch out

Assembly video

Finally we leave you with our next assembly video, this week we have the Ramps.




Hope you enjoyed this update about the clips. We do go into a lot of detail on these updates, but as creators we think it's important that we explain what we are up too so that when you get your goodies you feel part of the final result. Lets face it, without your support the terrain would not happen. When you get your box remember... you made it )

Over and Out for now

Colin & Wayne

I was really impressed by this update. It's always a hard balance between giving too much and too little information, but what I love about this is they waited until they solved the problem and then shared a nice summary of the process they went through. Perfect for me

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/08 01:31:28

Post by: Snrub

Update #58

May 8 2014
And we twiddle our thumbs...
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Twiddle Twiddle...

So the manufacturing is in process. This means there is literally nothing we can do on the project except wait… and so we wait. This was when we planned to talk about how to store and generally look after your set and when we shoot that video we will post it here ;o)

We are mostly using the time to focus on the Fantasy range, this serves two purposes:

Gets us ready for the next KS so we can hopefully get a little more sleep (fat chance )
Takes our minds of the fact that a product that has never been attempted in such detail before is currently being manufactured thousands of miles away from us… Gulp.

We have had updates from China, but nothing to write about here, minor adjustments to tool settings, double checks of digital proofs and general questions about packing. Hum drum stuff really, but important never the less.

China have confirmed that they will be sending us a couple of finished boxed sets over by courier so fingers crossed we will have these set up at the UK Expo in May, hope to see many of you there. Also this means that we can do a full unboxing video for these updates and show you what you will be getting on your doorsteps D

Clips…

We did make one final adjustment to the clips just after we posted the 'Clips' update. It was the final cherry on the cake to make the clips even easier to use. We added a small curve right at the mouth of the prongs of each clip.

As the terrain walls are basically card, there is always the chance that you could snag the surface when slotting on the clips. We snagged our prototype many times and it has small marks where the clips slot on, (although I bet you never noticed in the KS video or photos). This is not a major problem as the clips essentially cover this up when assembled. However the small curve we've added reduces this risk massively as the curve guides the clip into position more easily.



notice the small curves at the mouth point, they guide the clips into place when assembling.notice the small curves at the mouth point, they guide the clips into place when assembling.

Just a little something to help the longevity of the card and terrain in general and it also make the assembly just that little bit flowing. )

Room Items Assembly...

Finally then (as with all updates) is the assembly video for the Room Items. This is a great sheet as it really brings the terrain to life.




That is for this rather short update, but hopefully we will have more news soon.

Glad to see there is still plenty of chat in the comments section and in the updates so thanks and keep posting your questions. We try to answer them all and if we miss any there are one or two of you guys that help us out… you know who you are… and so we thank you.

Over and out for now

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/08 02:39:08

Post by: GrimDork

Sweet. Can't wait to get my mitts on this stuff.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/15 19:33:04

Post by: DaveC

Update - watch the storage video from 13:30 if you want a preview of the fantasy range.

Project Update #59: Storage...
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Well we shot the storage video at the weekend and so now bring it to you in this update. It's a raw video with very little editing so bear with my ramblings. I'll summarise the basic details right here in the text. )

Storage Boxes…

The boxes we use for storing the sets are provided by 'The really Useful products Company'. They supply lots of useful storage boxes (funnily enough) and there are many sizes to chose from.

http://www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk

The ones we use are as follows:

9 litre Clear x1 - This holds up to 52 assembled standard Walls or Doors.
4 litre Clear x2 - These hold all the floor tiles and assembled Room Items etc
Lipped Stationary Tray x1 - Good for Ramps, Clips, Railings and Room Items.
Hobby Tray x1 or 2 - Good for all the other Room Items and Struts etc etc.

The 'trays' listed above fit into the boxes. (see video)

If you have a standard Stronghold with stretch goals and a few extra add ons the above combo should be just fine for you. These boxes are not the cheapest, but are great value as they are strong and stack well. We have no alliance with them, these were just the boxes we used. We have been inundated with requests to explain how we store the sets and so this is what we used. There are lots of great storage boxes out there and we did no special research. We had a couple of these boxes lying around and found they worked perfect for us and so bought loads more. You can make up your own minds and I'm sure there are other great storage solutions.

Stacking the Walls...

You will see in the video that the walls are designed to be stacked in rows. Once you have a row of 7 Walls you can stack a further 6 Walls inside the row of 7, by turning them upside-down. This saves double the space and so saves on storage. It also keeps the walls safe from damage as they are supported. This is how we store all our sets.

The Walls can be completely disassembled of course by removing all the Ramps and Wall Clips, but this massively increases your setting up and packing away time. Just keep the Ramps on the Walls and adjust them as needed when you set up.

Video...

Thats the basics for you, check out the video to see this in action.



Assembly...

Finally we have the next assembly video for you. This time its the Hanger Bay (sheet number 5).



That's it for now, except to tell you that we have just had a couple of finished boxed products sent to us from our manufacturers. Expect a full unboxing video over the next couple of weeks. D



Late night inspections after a long drive back from London. It's nice to get home to parcels waiting for you )

Over and out for now

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/15 20:29:36

Post by: Dark Severance

I can't wait until these come in. So many plans.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/23 00:49:34

Post by: Snrub

Update #60

May 23 2014
Shipping update & first look at finished product...
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As some of you already know we have received the final production samples. These are not actually samples, but the final finished product. Just five sets air shipped to us for testing and we have been very busy doing just that. More in a moment…



9 Chairs assembled from the Floor Tiles sheets9 Chairs assembled from the Floor Tiles sheets



Three of the V-Consoles, here you can see the alternate skins now includedThree of the V-Consoles, here you can see the alternate skins now included

… first of shipping. We are now in a much stronger position to confirm production timelines and with all the samples and feedback adjustments we have made we are looking at new dates...

Shipping

We have received our final production and shipping time lines from China and these are as follows. The product will be fully finished manufacturing on the 16th June, this is approximately 3 weeks later than the last adjusted date we expected. When the KS started we had originally expected the production to be finished mid May, but we then lost 3 - 4 days due to the time it takes to fully check samples our end in the UK and then 10 days due to other factors including Chinese holidays. Finally though it was the complexity of the production method that added the time. This means that it should leave China (all being good and well) on the 23rd June. It will take between 3 & 4 weeks to reach Felixstowe in the UK, then our shipper (a UK firm) will be taking it directly to the distributors in London. We will meet the product there and personally oversee the packing. We hope to save some time here as China will be packing and sealing the basic Stronghold sets in our boxes for us. Just like they would for a board game like Monopoly, Risk etc.

So earliest we will likely be sending out the goodies is the 24th July. This is based on the full 4 weeks shipping, up to 4 days in customs, although that is the maximum we are told, and then a day to transport to the distributors. Once we send out from the Distributors you can expect them to arrive within 3-5 days if you are in the UK or 5-10 days for the rest of the world... thereabouts. )

QC (Quality Control) is the main reason we are later on delivery. Normally a standard printing production has 1 or 2 QC checks, but for us it's 4 checks. Checks have to be made to colour, alignment, stamp cuts and uniquely for us the 1.5mm slots that are both our greatest feature and our greatest production complexity. China needed another few days to set up the new QC procedures so this also added a few days delay. Production will have started by the time you read this and so we are in the final straight for the product. Our biggest obstacle... "Can this be made to the quality we desire"... is over (see the unboxing video ), so we now just have to wait for the mundane work to be done.

The actual production time of the product was also extended, because the stamp (the process of pressing the blades into the card) has to be adjusted for each sheet. Normally this can be automated, but as our product has a visual assembly image (the artwork) as well as the physical assembly, extra care needs to be taken to fit the cuts into the small bleed lines. That adds a small amount of time to each sheet stamping as it is adjusted by hand to line up. Multiply this by the 100's of thousands of sheets and you can see how this adds up to many extra days of production time and checks. A product has never been made before to this complexity and so our manufacturers have developed the process for us as we have progressed. They have been great and will have a 'Battle Systems' production schedule and works plan for future orders.

As you can see, rather than just say "it's delayed due to production" we wanted to explain why. We now know whats involved so will adjust future KS production timelines accordingly )

We had hoped that we would not fall foul to the KS tradition of delivering later than the estimated date, but hope that you will not be too disappointed by the delay. The final product is really rather good and with care should last you a long time indeed. In fact if you take time to bullet proof it (as seen in some of our updates past and coming) you could make it last a long time indeed. Not bad for cardboard.



Close up of the Command Screen with some of the smaller cut areas made bullet proof with a touch of liquid glue. This can still be dissembled and reversed.Close up of the Command Screen with some of the smaller cut areas made bullet proof with a touch of liquid glue. This can still be dissembled and reversed.

Lastly while they were making adjustments we also asked for improvements in some areas of the product that we were already happy with (like colour) and they delivered. So in the end we have a really great looking product. )

Final Boxed product…

As mentioned in the opening we have the final product in our hands and have been testing it for days. So if you have to wait a little longer for the cool card to arrive we might as well show you what you will get when it arrives on your door step. We were not going to show you the unboxing video until the next update, but after the shipping news you need a treat so I've stayed up all night to give you the video you've been waiting for… if i look tired take no notice D






The set fully popped out and ready to assembleThe set fully popped out and ready to assemble



Assembled FloorsAssembled Floors



Closer look at the ready partsCloser look at the ready parts



Walls made up and ready to rock (my favourite, just sit and watch films while doing war games stuff )Walls made up and ready to rock (my favourite, just sit and watch films while doing war games stuff )

Hope you like it, as we approach delivery time we will also be putting together some more videos on how to care for the card and really make it last. This will include steps you can take prior to assembly and after. Also what you can do if you need to repair a torn surface. In addition we hope to bring you videos on how to customise the terrain to make blast holes, or add a new 3D aspect to items such as walls and doors.

Assembly Video...

Finally then... here is the next video of the assembly series. This week its the Turbine, yeah baby!




That's it for now, please leave your comments as always, we really do read every one. As of right this moment it's just gone 12:15 midnight so don't worry if I don't reply to comments right away, it's finally time for bed ;o)

over and out for now… and goodnight.

Colin & Wayne.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/23 01:08:11

Post by: GrimDork

/cry

I thought that may was pretty ridiculously ambitious, guess I was right. That's ok, it sounds like they're putting quality first and it's not like I had any pressing *need* to have this by a certain time. Just glad they're making it right and taking their time instead of rushing to beat the date. Thanks for sharing

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/23 01:24:29

Post by: Yonan

Minor delay, doesn't bother me much but yeah as expected Grim hehe. Really happy they seem to have nailed the quality down and the communication has been great. This gon' be swooooit!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/23 01:25:17

Post by: GrimDork

But but it was may, now it's almost august, I wan mah toys! /bawl

But yeah, no pressing need, and quality is more important here anyway.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/23 03:45:10

Post by: Snrub

At this rate, barring acts of nature, I should get my Battle Systems goodies, my Secret Weapon Tablescape AND the last of my Anvil Industry AFTERLIFE vanguard pledge all at the same time.

Perfect combination of stuff if you ask me. They'll jigsaw in together quite well I hope.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/23 08:48:11

Post by: RoninXiC

Needs
wants

:(

Maybe I missed (I dont read all of it) will the fantasy terrain a new Kickstarter project?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/23 11:14:14

Post by: GrimDork

I believe they said it would be.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/23 17:45:47

Post by: judgedoug

Personally the delay is fine with me, moving house in June so these should show up right when I've got everything nice and set up and can fill up a gaming table with the terrain

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/05/23 22:18:27

Post by: Azazelx

So this one has "only" slipped by three months in the end. Hooray.

At least their communication has been good throughout.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/02 22:17:52

Post by: DaveC

They put some new photos up on facebook and for the first time a fully assembled fantasy set up

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/02 23:04:02

Post by: GrimDork

Holy balls! That stuff is excellent I like everything, though if those are supposed to be barrels in the last image... they need tweaked a little or something maybe. Otherwise, very much awesome, there goes all my monies.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/13 00:20:20

Post by: Snrub

Update #62

Jun 13 2014
Admin, Admin, Admin...
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Its all very boring when it comes to paperwork, but it is crucial at this stage of the project. Here's a quick update of what we are up to.

Shipping...

The manufacturing was completed on 10th June (Tuesday just gone), I had the confirmation and it's now sitting in the factory. Tomorrow (Friday) we are having it all inspected by our independent inspectorate. We used these guys to conduct our pre-production inspection of the factory prior to manufacturing. They made sure that the machines were modern, in good working order, workers are skilled, production methods were minimum standards, workers are protected etc etc. The inspector has a sample of each of the sheets, the very same ones we did the unboxing video with and used in the UK expo show, so if there is any issues we are confident they will pick up on them. Once this is done the goods will be taken to the Chinese arm of our UK shipping company. Then the goods start their long journey on the open seas to the UK for packing. So (and here where we jinx it) we are still on time for mid July UK arrival so end of July / very early august shipping, hopefully sooner.


Your goodies packed up in china and ready for shipping. Last night at 6:45pm


Stock, Stock and more Stock. Packed items and sheets that are still being sorted

Admin...

We are finalising insurances, sorting HMRC stuff, transferring Duty numbers and EORI numbers for shipping and Customs and Excise etc etc. This is to make sure that we don't have any delays with the container when it arrives in the UK. We have a very good shipping company and they are really helpful and are guiding us well.

Other admin means website updates ready for stock of products, building the new KS page for the fantasy range, shooting videos, editing videos, costings for fantasy range… and another hundred tasks. Not very exciting, but it's what we are doing right now so we thought we might as well include it in the update


Admin heaven

Next KS...

oTo give us a head start on the next KS we have been asking you guys in the comments for what you will be using the Fantasy range for and have been making notes, (for those that are looking to jump in on a little dungeon fun). Lets now see what you would like to see furniture wise. We already have Tombs, Tables, Treasure Chests, Barrels, Bookcases, Thrones, Furnace, Well, and some other top secret stuff, but be good to know what you would like to see. This really helped us on the last KS and many of the suggestions made it to reality and are now… sitting in the factory waiting to be inspected )

So pop your ideas in the comments below and let us know.

That's it for this update, just remains for us to include the next Assembly Video - Clips




We are really looking forward to getting the sets next month and can't wait to then get them sent out to you. We are nearly there, figures crossed for the QC final inspection tomorrow and shipping in general.

Over and out for now

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/13 00:35:17

Post by: GrimDork

Cool, hopefully we stay on time and see our goodies in august.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/13 01:18:23

Post by: Yonan

Pretty damn stoked for this. These guys have run a great KS.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/20 01:54:52

Post by: Snrub

Big update this time.

Update #63

Jun 20 2014
Da, da da, da da … Inspector Gadget...
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Starting these updates is really hard as we always start by writing how busy we are and you must get sick of hearing it… However, we have been busy over the weekend and last few days with discussions, emails and general back and forth communications with the manufacturers and inspectors. It's really exciting times and now we have concluded the final stage of the manufacturing process….

… this means it's on it's way. It left the factory and is making its journey to the port yesterday (18th June). It will then catch the next vessel and we are waiting on confirmation of what date this will be. That puts us on schedule for end of July for packing and sending. D

The Shanghai side of our UK shippers have said...

我已经通知过我们目的港代理了，他们也同意了）- so everyone is in agreement )

Inspections...

On Friday 13th (we are not superstitious) we had our inspection and the results came out to us on the Saturday. We spent most of the weekend mulling over the results and making a list of questions. Then Monday to Wednesday we spent communicating with the inspectors and the manufacturers. This is no easy task as the inspectors are, of course, independent and so we can't all just sit on a Skype call and have a 3 way chat about the results. There were clarifications to be made and the down time between emails was most frustrating. lol



Some more shots taken by the inspectors of the goodies packed up and ready to ship Some more shots taken by the inspectors of the goodies packed up and ready to ship

The inspection itself was very good, in fact it was a little overkill for our product, but that's better than being too slack. As it's our first inspection (and a totally new product for all) the inspectors are learning too. However they are super professional in their field and conducted tests we had not thought of.



Sheets were measured against samples we had sent them. Such a simple test, but vital for a product like ours. Sheets were measured against samples we had sent them. Such a simple test, but vital for a product like ours.




With every product you can find small imperfections that do not effect the product in general use. They only found 3 in 500 samples and this is the sort of issue they found, which does not effect the product in use. lol With every product you can find small imperfections that do not effect the product in general use. They only found 3 in 500 samples and this is the sort of issue they found, which does not effect the product in use. lol



Sets were chosen at random and fully opened and inspected, above is one of the sets. Sets were chosen at random and fully opened and inspected, above is one of the sets.



Even the outer & Inner packaging was inspected for shipping to make sure it met shipping standards Even the outer & Inner packaging was inspected for shipping to make sure it met shipping standards

After all said and done, the results are very good. In particular the colour is nice and crisp and the cuts lines look very good. This has been one of the biggest learning experiences for us and we have made lots of notes for our next product run. The manufacturers themselves have also been really helpful here, even providing additional tests for us, by attaching samples of our sheets to machines that measure all sorts of things.
Crazy little machines for testing things )


Crazy little machines for testing things )

We are happy that the product is as good as the sets we have already (the ones that some of you good folks have seen at the UK Expo) and as it happens these sets, we have already, were actually part of the first batch off the press.

Just need to get this over to you now for some tabletop action )

In the meantime...

While it's all making it's way over to us we have lots more of that boring administration to do. Website needs updating to accommodate the new physical product/videos (as well as shooting some of those videos), credit card machines and payment methods need changing, KS page/video/graphics for Fantasy range as well as final costings so we can set the pledge levels, more insurance stuff and so on and so on…

Too little to late…

In lighter news we had ordered some hoodies, tee-shirts (for us), tablecloths and another banner for our shows. These all arrived in the nick of time for the UK expo with the exception of the hoodies, they arrived 1 day after the show. Grrrr… so we never got to show off our matching BSL street cred!!!


Wayne showing off the hoodies, what a stud!


Yes all those teddies are Wayne's, he needs them to help keep the nasty things away at bedtime. It's the polar bears turn tonight, that's why it looks so stressed )


Assembly Video...

Lastly then, here is the next of the assembly videos - Elevator/Window Wall/Wall Console Converter




Right so that's it for another update. Over & out for now… we are nearly there...

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/20 02:24:25

Post by: GrimDork

Woot, sounds like things are on target.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/20 02:31:17

Post by: Yonan

Ex-cel-lent. I love the detail in these updates, always nice to see.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/20 07:12:28

Post by: ClockworkChaos

 Yonan wrote:
Ex-cel-lent. I love the detail in these updates, always nice to see.

Agreed, I think this is one of the best KS I have ever seen. I think once this is all done someone should make a list of everything they have done right to help guide future KS. I am constantly impressed!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/06/20 07:22:22

Post by: Yonan

Once product is in hand and we can confirm it's as good as we've seen, I'll 100% agree with that. Good product, good price, great communication, great people, good fulfillment time.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/05 02:18:30

Post by: Snrub

Update #64

Jul 5 2014
Gunde Maersk...
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Ship Ahoy...

Well not quite, but it's coming...

We can confirm that your goodies were loaded from Shanghai and made their way to the docks on the 24th June. They were loaded onto the vessel named 'GUNDE MAERSK' and left the docks on the 30th June. Since then the Gunde has been working it's way through it's various ports over the last few days. If you want to track the ship simply visit one of the many ship tracking websites or smart device apps and search for the ship name. So far I've checked in 3 times, but wife is checking it 3 times a day, she's loving it lol.

We used this one https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/, but there seems to be a few. I know some of you have used these before, so if you have a favourite site or app please let us all know in the comments.



Here is our lovely vessel

There is lots of info available on the vessel tracking sites and we certainly don't understand half of it, but it's a jolly nice thing to watch as your goodies make their rounds

Well that was the big news and much awaited it was to, so have fun tracking and feel free to update everyone on the main KS comments.

Game mat…

While we had a couple of moments we grabbed a DeadZone mat and built a basic set up on top. In fact in truth we grabbed some assembled parts left over from different sections of the UK Expo show pieces and just cobbled them together… the terrain is good like that… and we were good to go in 5 minutes flat

Since we started the KS the comments and emails were full of happy DZ backers who were dying to grab some BSL terrain, but also wanted to see how it all worked with our stuff. The DZ mat is actually 600mm x 600mm, exactly the same size as our 9 floor tiles layout. Here are some photos of the set up so you can see the grid layout.



A full set up with the DZ mat A full set up with the DZ mat



Close up of a corner show part used grid square Close up of a corner show part used grid square



Aerial view 1 Aerial view 1



View 2, zoomed out a little. Yes we did not clip the bridge on we were tired.

Turbines fit nicely in a single square and generally everything works well. There are areas where you don't have a full square, but I guess this is just like having a part square that is full of cargo etc. The mat works really well and we looking at a game mat for the Fantasy range so this was an important test for us.

Assembly video…

We are compiling the last of the videos and will have these out to you before you receive your goodies, including an essential basic guide to remind you of the import things you need to do when you first unpack your set. We will stick this right here in the updates and also it will live on our website… It will cover set care, adjusting slots and similar and will be a short and sharp video, along the lines of a quick start guide.

Website…

Wayne has been chained to his chair working on our website. We are updating it to focus on the physical terrain and generally tidy it with new images and menus. Our website is already pretty nifty, but Wayne is a perfectionist - He did actually break the chains in a fit of web code frustration and escaped, so I built up an enclosure from the sci-fi walls and glued them. It's only card at the end of the day, but Wayne can't bring himself to break them (Colin is so stingy with the terrain I was delighted to get any at all even if it was as a prison - Wayne).

So the website will be ready for the product release.

Just a tiny tease…

(couldn't get the video to link properly)
https://d2pq0u4uni88oo.cloudfront.net/assets/002/230/500/5e50a126649a487e8153ec37b255c926_h264_high.mp4

That's it for this update… over and out for now

Colin and Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/05 02:31:33

Post by: Yonan

Yessss, working with Deadzone, come to me precioussss. They know what we want! 4 levels of terrain, it's a beautiful sight.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/05 02:31:37

Post by: Eldarain

Really excited to get my pledge. This update also convinced me to look more seriously into Deadzone as I always hear it's a well made rule set.

I was hoping to use my existing model collection and this fine terrain system. So I'd just have to buy the rules and the mat.

Unfortunately it seems the rules for the factions are only contained within the core box and the units themselves. Presumably to prevent the use of third party miniatures. (Which I find rather amusing given how Mantic got started)

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/05 03:03:31

Post by: Yonan

I've seen the rulebooks available for sale individually at discount games store in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if they showed up on mantics ebook store when the game is fully released in a couple months. ATM there's just a story compendium I think and Dreadball rules (Dreadball is also awesome btw).

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/05 03:38:02

Post by: GrimDork

Yeah, i think what *looks* like them being all proprietary about it now, is maybe more of a things not catching up. I'm fairly sure you'll see the rules go up on their site eventually, i know the kings of war rules are, could someone else comment on dreadball, i've never looked. The cards are a bit tricky, though i wonder if they don't offer spare/replacement decks eventually... if the never do, then you are right it's a bit odd of a move for them.

Really excited for this, gotta reign it in though since this being on the boat means we're still in for a fair wait. Quite pleased with how good it looks on the dz mat as well.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/05 06:58:08

Post by: Yonan

 GrimDork wrote:
Really excited for this, gotta reign it in though since this being on the boat means we're still in for a fair wait.

You're gonna have to freeze me!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/05 12:30:07

Post by: GrimDork

Haha yeah something like that. I used a not 100% square terrain feature in my last game of dead zone, I think a sparse layout of bs terrain would be pretty easy to use with out modification, the more of the mat you could see , the easier.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/07 01:26:25

Post by: Azazelx

Do you guys mean the rules for the other factions/units are inside their unit boxes (like DUST) - or that they're all included in the core box set? And what about the "Faction Decks".

I'm really hoping to get all the rules. I'm not a fan of, say, the Asterian models (especially in Restic) but I could use an excuse to finally paint some Eldar...

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/07 01:39:38

Post by: GrimDork

The rules, like abilities and so on, are in the main book or one of the supplements as they come out. The cards or faction decks come with the faction starters, or uhh in the box with the models. The faction deck will have the rules for every thing in the faction available at the time of their printing, whether it's in the starter or not, so individual boosters and such won't also have cards. So far the only way to get the faction decks for any faction is by buying the faction starter, and the decks have three things -- the stats for each model in the faction, all of the faction's mission cards, and the rest of the cards are the battle cards played in game--.

So right now it's kind of like being forced to buy a codex bundled with models, though i think the codices are more expensive than faction starters these days. Hopefully, they'll pop the rules, including the faction deck pdfs, up on their site like they have for a lot of their other rules. Could be that they're behind in doing this, could be that they want to gently persuade more people to buy their official models for awhile, hard to say.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/17 16:56:42

Post by: DaveC

TL: DR - shipping starts August 7th and should take 4 days to complete. UK shipping 2-3 days RoW 5-10 days

Project Update #65: Is it here yet?…
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Well it's been a very thumb twiddly time for you guys as you watch the ship travelling from port to port at between 20 - 25 mph. lol We've hardly had to look as you have been keeping everyone (including us) up to date with the progress. So thanks for all you navigators and radar operators )

Arrival date…

So all being good and well the ship should arrive in Felixstowe on the 27th July, not long now. It is about 1 day ahead of schedule, but we have no idea what that means or whether it loses a day in the final stretch, Phileas Fogg style. We have been told we will receive the stock at our distributors on 5th August after all the customs checks and signatures and we are planning to meet it there when it arrives.



some of the pallets when being loaded in China

Then its a simple case of packing it up… err, I suspect it will not be simple at all. lol A product like this has never been packed before, but our distributors are used to KS fulfilment so have estimated 4 days to complete. Meaning the goods will be making their way to some locations around 7th August onwards. 2-3 days for UK and 5-10 for RoW. )

Have you been watching ALL our updates…

For you regular KS backers you will know exactly what your sets will look like and how to set them up when you first open the box. However we have made a video of the basics you need to know. It covers, Assembly, Adjustments, Floor tile best practice, Penning, Edge gluing, Assembly care & Storage. It's a real short video at just over 5 minutes, so if you have not been following all the updates please take some time to watch this video. It's essential for making sure your first set up is quick and easy and that's why we've called it…

…The Essential Quick Start Guide.



Assembly videos…

We are still in the process of updating our website and all the assembly videos will be there. We will also add the final ones here in a final update before you get your goodies delivered, so watch this space. Once we have done that, you can visit our website any time to view the videos. They will be embedded into the site and available to view to everyone so no complicated backer logins are needed, just click the link.

Behind the scenes preparation…

We are now fully into our final KS preparation for the fulfilment. What this means is that we will be less visible on the KS comments and updates. Shipping administration, customs, insurances, packing, etc. will be dominating the next 3 weeks, but please still continue to communicate with us on the comments, we will be reading them while eating lunch or between tasks.

This means that we will be doing things in the following order:

1. Fulfil KS orders and get feedback )

2. Prep next KS (we are already doing this)

3. Set up stock for website retail (this is very tricky with postage logistics)

This means we can focus everything we need to do for Battle Systems to meet dates and deadlines and stops us from managing 3 massive tasks badly )

Address changes…

Final cut off date for address changes is Sunday 3rd August. If something happens between the 3rd and the time we post your goods, email us and we will do our best to sort it. Once posted its gone, so be prepared to go visit your old house and pick it up if you miss the cut off date D

(Wayne here - if you changed your address via BackerKit can you drop me a line to let me know so I can make sure our database is up to date. If you asked me to change your address then don't worry, you're all logged

That's it for now, we will try and give you updates when the ship arrives, while packing etc.

Its getting exciting…

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/18 02:03:34

Post by: Snrub

Excellent. Can't wait to get them.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/18 23:46:19

Post by: GrimDork

I love how we're all following the boat in the kickstarter comments.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/26 20:22:54

Post by: DaveC

New preview of the Fantasy set which will have a multi storey option as many people requested it and really it just need a reskin of the sci-fi bits



No word yet on a start date but it won't coincide with the start of DKQ as the sci-fi stock won't be in until the 4th of August and delivery will take a week or 2 and they don't want to go live until the sci-fi set is delivered.

Creator Battle Systems Ltd 34 minutes ago

Dates are tricky, its all in the air at the moment. With any luck it will be end of August, but hard to say. Our original date was the 1st August, but were expecting to have all the sci-fi stuff out there already. Need to get that posted first ) 20th would be ace, let see how we go.

Means I will need some help spreading the word again. On the sci-fi set you guys were a god send, and at the time we had only 500 FB friend etc. Need to really make the splash again and jump on all the forums and websites we can. Don't want to be a pest of course, must have manors, but just a gentle nudge to make sure we get the best start we can to drive the stretch goals early and let momentum take care of the rest … assuming we get funded of course.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/26 20:28:53

Post by: GrimDork

Dear lord! If they just give me a month or two inbetween.. i'll want all the things!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/26 20:38:17

Post by: DaveC

I've started a new thread for the fantasy KS.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/607230.page

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/27 04:13:09

Post by: Azazelx

This is where the BS Terrain is at the moment:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-3.12915/centery:49.72225/zoom:8/mmsi:220594000

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/27 07:47:45

Post by: Slinky

In the Channel! Getting there...

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/27 22:11:36

Post by: DaveC

The ship just docked in Felixstowe

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/27 22:14:48

Post by: GrimDork

SNAP! So what is it then, another week or so to get ready then five days for UK and two weeks for other places.. ish?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/27 22:17:35

Post by: DaveC

It should be unloaded within 24 hours then it has to clear customs and it's scheduled to be with the distributor on the 5th.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/27 22:18:47

Post by: GrimDork

Ah right customs, duh, i knew i was forgetting a step in there somewhere.

Sweet, thanks for the information, soon, soon.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/28 03:46:29

Post by: Yonan

I've said it before, but you're gonna have to freeze me!


I've obtained substantial quantities of brush on superglue to prepare these when they arrive.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/28 04:42:37

Post by: Snrub

Awwwww yeah.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/28 04:51:09

Post by: Yonan

Yeah really excited for this stuff, even more so now it's getting close. It just has the potential to make some great games. Interior sci-fi skirmish games set over multiple levels (ie. Deadzone), sci-fi RPGs, even if it's not gothic enough for 40k I'm expecting using it for FFG RPGs.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/28 10:17:00

Post by: Azazelx

They're only "not gothic enough" if you buy into the latest exclusive version of GW's vision of 40k - where everything must match their over-the-top scenery kits. They're plenty 40k enough for me.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/28 11:00:50

Post by: DaveC

Small update from Colin

Creator Battle Systems Ltd 22 minutes ago

It's all down to customs now. We will most likely get an x - ray as this is our first shipment, but we should get the goods arriving on the 4th August at the distributors, and will start packing that same day. Fingers crossed the last parcel should go out on the 8th and we may be able to send the furthest first in the week and the nearest last to even out the distribution and fairness, that way everyone should receive at the same (ish) time, but really can't guarantee at this stage.

I can say that for some of your orders we had to seriously dip into our pockets for postage, one order was £83 postage for a single stronghold that cost £70 lol. But we just don't want to leave anyone out ) overall due to the weight the postage paid did not cover the shipping costs, but are hoping to keep the cost similar for the fantasy stuff, happy days.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/28 11:40:28

Post by: GrimDork

Meep, sucks about postage, pretty cool of them to take care of it.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/28 12:00:32

Post by: Slinky

I vaguely remember one of the updates showed which "pantone" markers to get to colour in the sides of the pieces before then supergluing for longevity.

Is that all contained in the videos? Do I just need to sit down with a big mug of tea and watch through them?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/28 12:13:26

Post by: GrimDork

I can't remember, i stopped watching the assembly videos halfway through... but if anyone remembers which markers, or even which staples boxes, do let us know

I may dig through it in a week or two but atm all of my hobby time is dedicated to furiously chipping away at a birthday present diorama lol.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/28 13:48:07

Post by: Yonan

 Azazelx wrote:
They're only "not gothic enough" if you buy into the latest exclusive version of GW's vision of 40k - where everything must match their over-the-top scenery kits. They're plenty 40k enough for me.

It's definitely serviceable, but this is more "40k" than the battle systems stuff which is a bit too clean, or maybe too high tech to fit right into 40k as imperium decor. It's perfect for Deadzone however imo, especially the more central worlds in the first sphere. No need for all battles to be out in the fringe!

It's more 40k, or at least not completely ridiculous when compared to that battle board thingie which is just mind boggling.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/29 08:12:28

Post by: Snrub

 Azazelx wrote:
They're plenty 40k enough for me.

Agreed.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/29 21:46:31

Post by: DaveC

Transmission open: - We have our terrain. - Transmission Closed

So it's arrived dead on time and unloaded. That means we have it all safely on land and it's currently in safe hands at customs.

This is actually a difficult update to write, because there is nothing I can tell you that you don't already know from tracking the ship yourselves. The Gunde docked yesterday at Felixstowe in the UK and was promptly unloaded in a matter of hours… and that's it.

Customs

Well that was easy. Yesterday at 11:36am (UK Time) we had an email from our shippers saying that our containers had cleared customs. We were shocked at the speed and this now means that the containers are confirmed to arrive at our distributors on Monday morning of the 4th August at 8:30am. We will meet the container there and sign for it, then start the long process of packing. Crazy that it has cleared so quickly, but good news to be sure )

Shipping

That means that we are sending the final addresses to our distributors this week ready for the big pack-up on 4th. So if you have a change of address, now is the time to tell us )

Distribution

Before we even launched this Kickstarter we had spent months and months looking for a distributor to send all this card goodness out and it was a tough job. In fact one of the reasons we did not launch on our original date of August 2013 (then September, then October) was because we could not find a good price and service for the shipping and were certainly not going to 'wing it' having heard some rather nasty horror stories about how shipping costs had destroyed some KS projects.

Finally we found… Minerva … who for those that do not know are basically Wayland Games. These guys were recommended to us by our good friend Chris at Modiphius and have been great. We have been in constant contact with them since we closed the KS in December and they are all prepped and ready to go. We will oversea the whole packing personally and guide our helpers in the process. The main Strongholds are already packed by China (see our unboxing video) and so it's just the stretch goals and add-ons we need to do.

We said, while the KS was running, that the postage we charged you guys would not really cover the full costs of shipping your parcels and so we would make up the difference and we were right. In the end it was not too bad so we are hoping to keep the costs similar on our next KS for the fantasy terrain. Happy days )

With any luck your parcels will start being sent out on the 6th or 7th August with the last of them going on the 8th so we are lead to believe. UK delivery is about 3-5 days and RoW average will be 5-10 days, with some a little earlier and a few distant outposts getting theirs a few days longer we expect. Overall though most of you will have your stuff by about 13th - 18th August with a few first arrivals getting there from about the 8th or 9th. This is all assuming that the container arrives on time on the 4th which now it should do having cleared customs. D

Assembly videos

Over the next few days I will put the final assembly videos together and upload them to youtube, then link them all in a final assembly update right here before you receive your parcels. In addition they will also be available on our website too in one handy place. Wayne has already set most of this up and is just waiting on me for the final edited videos.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/29 22:06:22

Post by: GrimDork

Huh I've heard not so good things about Wayland, but only some, never ordered anything there what with living in the States.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/29 22:10:51

Post by: DaveC

I've ordered plenty from them without problem so I'm fine with Wayland doing the shipping.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/29 22:28:10

Post by: Yonan

The only problem with Wayland I'm pretty sure is that you can be left waiting for a long time as items listed as "available" just mean "we're pretty sure we can order this in". If they have trouble getting stock for whatever reason, your order takes as long as it takes. Also they're not that cheap anymore. I have no problems with them shipping it.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/29 22:32:40

Post by: GrimDork

Cool sounds good then.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/29 23:58:27

Post by: Snrub

Sweet. Here by the end of August. I can handle that.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/30 00:03:48

Post by: Yonan

Arriving while the fantasy KS is running then? I'd be much more likely to pledge heavily (again) for fantasy stuff if I have this in hand with confirmed quality.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/30 01:07:55

Post by: Eldarain

 Yonan wrote:
Arriving while the fantasy KS is running then? I'd be much more likely to pledge heavily (again) for fantasy stuff if I have this in hand with confirmed quality.

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My thoughts exactly. While I'm really excited and impressed by what I've seen nothing beats hands on use and testing. I really appreciate them putting up the videos for how to prepare and care for these sets too.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/30 01:27:00

Post by: GrimDork

Well they're doing it right, our stuff should be to us before that one starts. Which is awesome.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/30 02:48:00

Post by: SavageRobby

First world problem - wonder if it will show up while I'm at Gencon?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/07/30 05:08:51

Post by: GrimDork

That's something I'm wondering too, right along with last-tier wave 2 dead zone shipment. May have to have a friend buzz by my house while I'm conventioning.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 06:51:46

Post by: Slinky

Mine should be delivered this morning apparently!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 08:40:45

Post by: Yonan

We expect plentiful detailed unboxing pics!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 10:34:46

Post by: Slinky

Here are a few shots :

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 11:13:29

Post by: Yonan

Firstly I hate you. Secondly omg that looks good ; p

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 11:15:35

Post by: angelofvengeance

 Slinky wrote:
Here are a few shots :

Mother lol. Can't wait to get mine

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 11:55:49

Post by: GrimDork

Yeah awesome, thanks for sharing

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 11:57:09

Post by: angelofvengeance

Feels like you went for Fortress pledge Slinky...

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 12:13:08

Post by: GrimDork

I was wondering why there wasn't even a single assembled piece, but then I got it. He threw us those bones and he's been slapping terrain together since

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 12:50:32

Post by: Slinky

Heh, sorry for the lack of further pics, bit of a /fan interaction work-wise.

Here's all I have managed, and some of that needs a little redoing with widening slots etc to make it all sit better.




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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Feels like you went for Fortress pledge Slinky...

2x Stronghold - Managed to move onto an EB pledge right at the end, which was lucky.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 12:54:22

Post by: angelofvengeance

 Slinky wrote:
Heh, sorry for the lack of further pics, bit of a /fan interaction work-wise.

Here's all I have managed, and some of that needs a little redoing with widening slots etc to make it all sit better.




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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Feels like you went for Fortress pledge Slinky...

2x Stronghold - Managed to move onto an EB pledge right at the end, which was lucky.

Nice . Can't wait to try some 40k/Kill Team on that!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 13:06:03

Post by: Yonan

How are you finding the quality? Good material? Crisp details? Clips together nicely?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 13:10:23

Post by: Slinky

 Yonan wrote:
How are you finding the quality? Good material? Crisp details? Clips together nicely?

Print is awesome, card seems good quality too.

But as all the assembly videos show, you need to take your time and carefully widen some of the slots or else it will just start bending/fraying as you put it together, which happened to me as I rushed the hangar door piece (got to go back and fix it).

When I start assembling in earnest I think I will:
1) Cut slots by eye to correct width
2) Dry fit
3) Brush superglue onto connecting areas
4) Reassemble once dry

I think that should give a good result.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 13:12:59

Post by: Yonan

Good to hear about the quality. The connection points were an expected problem I guess, I already stocked up on the superglue too hehe. Thanks for answering all the questions ; )

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 13:20:13

Post by: Siygess

Holy crap that is a lot of card lol

I got my shipping notification about twenty minutes ago so with any luck my stuff will be here by Thursday. It will be nice to finally have it in hand so I can compare it with my Terraclips stuff.. because right now that's the only thing holding back my excitement re: Fantasy Battle Systems.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 13:24:53

Post by: Yonan

Yeah I'm really happy we'll get to see our own, or at least have unbiased reviews of the production kits from the sci-fi terrain before we pledge for that. Them waiting is a sign of their confidence too imo and bodes well for the success of the fantasy terrain kickstarter.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/05 15:03:47

Post by: Slinky

a word of caution: be careful when opening up slots that you don't go too far - I may have to glue together the door section I just made as it's a bit floppy...

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 07:26:28

Post by: Snrub

I know it's no different then the hundreds of other photos we've seen of the product so far, but hot damn that's nice looking terrain.



Lastest update for those who haven't seen it yet.

Update #67

Aug 6 2014
And… it's happening.
42 comments
31 likes

Well, to say we have been busy would just be silly. lol We have been flat out on the packing line, making sure everything is going smoothly. We have the full fulfilment team at Wayland working very hard and generally being observant and careful with your goodies.

No time for an in-depth report, but here are a couple of photos to get you by…


And here it all is waiting for the packing set up. And here it all is waiting for the packing set up.


A box of Stronghold - Wayne not included (But only cos we could not find a box big enough for that cheesy grin) A box of Stronghold - Wayne not included (But only cos we could not find a box big enough for that cheesy grin)


Now thats a lot of clips / Now thats a lot of clips /


Long shot of some early prep and test packing Long shot of some early prep and test packing


Wayne on the Stretch goal line, GO TEAM WAYNE!!! Wayne on the Stretch goal line, GO TEAM WAYNE!!!


Add-Ons waiting to be picked… (don't worry the tables are clean and there is protection under the sheets, )


And they're off!!! And they're off!!!


NICE! - A big order for one lucky punter named... NICE! - A big order for one lucky punter named...


… so that's who it's for ) (it's coming dude and we want photos of your final set up)


Packed and ready for loading... Packed and ready for loading...


OH YEAHHHHHH!!!

Well that's all for now, but rest assured we are working hard to get the orders out. We started with the UK and will work our way through the orders based on country, can't say which yet, but think it's Germany next.

Over and out for now,

Colin & Wayne.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 10:56:38

Post by: angelofvengeance

Received mine today Great stuff

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 11:05:04

Post by: Slinky

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Received mine today Great stuff

Woo!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 11:21:27

Post by: Yonan

I smell a conspiracy against the colonies!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 11:25:43

Post by: GrimDork

Sick, jealous.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 12:31:35

Post by: Yonan

You'll get this one on time Grim! *crosses fingers*

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 12:43:39

Post by: GrimDork

By George I hope so! At least I get to pick up the based mars attacks box at gencon so I can't miss that (as long as they bringit!).

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 17:48:29

Post by: angelofvengeance

We just doont have tha poower cap'n...

2

Power generator

Power generator rear

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 18:48:52

Post by: larva_uk

Yup, mine arrived today as well. Along with my wave 2 deadzone stuff. It has been a good day.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/06 19:35:28

Post by: angelofvengeance

 larva_uk wrote:
Yup, mine arrived today as well. Along with my wave 2 deadzone stuff. It has been a good day.

Sadly no Deadzone pt 2 delivery for me today, but I'm guessing it won't be long now :-)

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/07 04:12:03

Post by: Yonan

 larva_uk wrote:
Yup, mine arrived today as well. Along with my wave 2 deadzone stuff. It has been a good day.

Sweet jesus, I don't think my pants could repel excitement of that magnitude.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/07 10:09:09

Post by: angelofvengeance

 Yonan wrote:

 larva_uk wrote:
Yup, mine arrived today as well. Along with my wave 2 deadzone stuff. It has been a good day.

Sweet jesus, I don't think my pants could repel excitement of that magnitude.

Heh- +1'd mate

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/07 14:36:00

Post by: DaveC

I'll skip the pictures as it's just packing.

Shipping update…

Everyone is saying how fast we are at shipping when actually we are a little behind our own schedule. We expected to have the whole thing shipped by close of play on Friday evening, but we are likely not to finish until Wednesday night next week, then spend Thursday sorting any orders with shipping issues, like the handful of backers who never got round to giving us their addresses for one reason or another. (See me after school! - Wayne)

UK is still being processed so don't worry if you have not had an email from Wayland Games yet. We are processing some of the EU too. I can also confirm that we have 1 pallet of USA single Strongholds made up and ready to process… it should be 5-10 days from the time the USA pallet leaves to the time you get your goodies (just one of many pallets to go to the US)

Wayland have a very clever way of processing their orders and we are so glad we chose them for our fulfilment. Not only are they experts, but being part of the wargaming scene they really understand our backers and our products and you can see the respect that they have in the way they handle each and every sheet. They are not some mindless packers in a factory that packs board games one day then dustpans and brushes the next. Each packer is a gamer )

Also Wayland are careful and so we packed the easier orders first and slowly built up the packer's knowledge of the terrain sheets. We were on hand to answer any questions and by the end of day one the guys knew the product well. We also started with the UK for a very good reason - if we made a mistake it would be easier to track the parcels and recall them. Glad we did this as we made 5 wrong address errors, took us 6 hours over two days to sort these (we know what went wrong and fixed it so it can't happen again) and we contacted all 5 backers to sort the issue, pretty smart process from Wayland and we are learning together how to fulfil this kind of product its all very clever and scary at the same time. I kept randomly checking orders before they were sent and after finding no mistakes in the first day, I finally started to relax from my 'heart attack' stress level and am currently at a more comfortable 'headache and shacking hands level' lol. (Be nice, chaps, if Colin croaks i'm stuffed!- Wayne)

With a KS of this size there will always be mistakes made and every distributor has an error rate and tolerances, Wayland is no exception. So if you have a miss pack then simply let us know using our email address info@battlesystems.co.uk and we will pass this on and make the correction, so far (famous last words) we have not had anyone receive a wrong sheet, but we will and this is normal and part of the process.

First feedback & Assembly…Important video reminder )

So some of you have already been assembling the terrain and generally its all going good. We have had some feedback regarding some of the parts, like the door frames (as we tooled these in a very specific way) and so it is most important that you follow the assembly videos before you start setting up. This will only be needed once and it will save you any confusion or mistakes.

Tutorial videos here - http://www.battlesystems.co.uk/tutorials.html

Just like your miniature figures, if you don't clean the mould lines off or adjust the arm sockets they will not fit correctly. We take this for granted with miniature figures, but as this product has never been done before there are no habits formed yet. Go to our tutorials page on our website and watch the 'Essential Quick Start Guide' first (it's only a 5 minute video), then there is one video for each different sheet in the set. The more time you take planning the better the results and once done it is ready to play and of course… no painting required D (I was too lazy to trim the door frames and nearly destroyed my first attempt. Quick trim later and bingo! - Wayne.)

This is a very exciting time for all of us and we are so glad that we are seeing your sets made up. What really helps us is photos, so as soon as you have set up your terrain, please take some photos and post them to us at info@battlesystems.co.uk we will then share them (unless you ask us not to) as this gives everyone ideas of what they can do.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/08 02:29:46

Post by: JoshInJapan

So, to anyone with a better memory than mine: what are the recommended pens for coloring the edges? I know it was brought up somewhere in this thread, but for the life of me I can't find that particular post.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/08 07:42:46

Post by: Slinky

I think it was Pantone markers, but I can't remember the colours - I was looking for that info too and failed to find it.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/08 13:53:25

Post by: DaveC

Yep Colin used Pantone Markers but they are no longer available having been replaced by Letraset Promarkers which use a different colour reference to Pantone

These are the ones Colin used but these codes are no longer available

Struts, Buttresses, conduits, Turbines, brown crates = 139-T or 465-T or 4655-T (any of these give a good effect)

Locker & Green crates = 5767-T although 617-T is also quite good

Black on hazard markings (airlock and Docking Ramp) = Progress Black - T

Faber-Castell:

Artist PITT Pens = Yellow 107

There's some people trying to work on colour matches I'll post them if they can be matched but you might want to find a shop that sells Letraset Promarkers and just bring a sheet or two in to try and colour match them in a store.




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OK the green locker is Letraset Promarker - Lime Zest G159

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/08 15:13:24

Post by: Yonan

Thanks for that info Dave. Checked ebay, looks like some reasonable options before I check some local stores.

13 colour set for GBP 14.39 (+4 int'l shipping) for example. Would have to confirm the colours as being suitable though.

When superglueing the edges for durability, should they be coloured before, after, or it doesn't matter?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/08 15:20:16

Post by: DaveC

Definitely colour the edges before supergluing any edges that need it or the marker won't colour the card!

You will only need 4 or 5 markers I'd wait until it's worked out which are correct and then just order the right ones.

Just on the supergluing if anyone is reading that and wondering , you don't need to glue anything but if you want the thinner more delicate parts to last a long time it's a good idea to brush some superglue over the edge to strenghten it.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/08 15:34:35

Post by: Yonan

You could get away with only doing some parts such as the clip contact points and the thinner sections, but my plan was to do basically all the edges. It should keep them all from fraying at all with no downside really? (other than the cost of the superglue and the time taken)

Yeah probably best bet to wait to see which markers are needed.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/08 20:33:49

Post by: DaveC

Creator Battle Systems Ltd 8 minutes ago

Also for a rough update, I can confirm that…
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All of UK sent
Half of US now packed.
Less than 600 orders in total left to pack.
That should be down to about 350 by weekend.
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There are specific orders held back from all of the above though, due to specific combos of add-on etc, so don't worry if you have not had your parcel yet. Wayland will continue to pack the remaining orders on Monday morning and assuming they do only have 350 to go, we are hoping these will be done by close of play Tuesday.
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We are getting close )

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/08 23:01:00

Post by: GrimDork

Cool. They may as well send mine out last, I'd rather it come in after GenCon instead of during while I'm out. Looking forward to seeing what people build. Maybe we need a thread somewhere?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/13 03:23:23

Post by: Snrub

Update #69

Aug 12 2014
How to build your set & Shipping update
16 comments
23 likes

Parcels, parcels, parcels everywhere...

We are still on target for finishing all of the deliveries for Wednesday so all good. Since the last update we have been getting lots of feedback and it's 99.5% positive, we could not be happier. Everyone is using the videos for their first set ups (this is important) and we are getting lots of photos linked in the comments as you guys start to experiment with the sets. We will share these photos soon, but you will find loads of posted links in the main KS comments pages.


Boxes and boxes and boxes.


Stretch Goals waiting to be placed with their Stronghold boxes.


Final Add-ons waiting to be packed Final Add-ons waiting to be packed

Wayland Games have been great and are still working hard. Once they have finished the last of the parcels, they will focus on the few backers where the orders were a little more complicated to pick and also the orders where the courier's computers did not like the address provided. Remember that depending on where you are it could take from 5-10 days to reach you from the moment the parcel is dispatched from Wayland Games. So if you are still waiting, hold tight, we will get you your terrain soon. (We still have 11 people yet to give us their shipping address, a significant drop from the 'elusive 31' email us for your goodies! - Wayne)

Feedback…

Based on the feedback so far we have already made some adjustments and notes for our manufacturers to improve our next products. We have discovered (thanks to your feedback and some further testing while the manufacturers were producing the final terrain) that we can increase the slots on some of the tools without compromising the effectiveness of the terrain. So slots that only ever take the plastic clips could be increased a little and this would save a little over 50% of adjustments needed. Of course once the adjustments are made its done and no further work is needed, just like cleaning the mould lines from your models. If we can make the terrain even easier to build straight from the box then we will and it's one of our main focuses of the next sets we produce.


You can use parts of some of the add-ons to add variety to your builds.

We thank you all for your community of constructive feedback and are happy to see that you are all helping each other with set building ideas and watching this happen is like heaven.

How to build your set from scratch…

Many of you have been asking each other about how to build the multi level aspect of the sets. After so many months (or is it years now) of developing the terrain we probably take this for granted, so I have put a much requested video together that explains just how I approach this.

The video shows me building a set from scratch with no plan and how to approach this, what goes through my mind and general tips and tricks. - Also if you want a sneak peek of the Fantasy KS then this is the video for you as we use the 'Dungeon' pledge to demonstrate the build. This is the Stronghold equivalent for the fantasy range and uses the same ratios of Walls, Ramps, Gantries, Railing etc etc. Only the furniture is different.

(For those who were asking, we're still on for the 20th but don't cancel any appointments - Wayne)




That's about it for now, we are still super busy with fulfilment administration and KS pre-prep for the Fantasy Dungeon.

Over and Out for now

Colin & Wayne

PS. for those that have your terrain already…. HAPPY GAMING!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/13 03:54:09

Post by: Yonan

I don't know how they resisted opening all the boxes and building a cubic kilometer of terrain but they have amazing willpower.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/13 04:56:08

Post by: Snrub

That's what I'd have been doing. Building my own space hulk sized space hulk to play on.

Buy a few thousand genestealers, couple of dozen terminators. LET THE MAYHEM BEGIN!





Also, dibs on being the first person in Australia/New Zealand to get their gear.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/13 05:08:01

Post by: Yonan

Nuh-uh! I wanna fill a board full of models and shout pew-pew first!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/14 03:08:19

Post by: MasterSlowPoke

Have they said what markers to get yet?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/15 00:29:06

Post by: judgedoug

Got my USA shipping notice woooohoooo

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/15 00:36:10

Post by: JoshInJapan

I got my shipping notice yesterday, meaning I have another week or so 'til it arrives!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/15 00:57:13

Post by: Yonan

Yep same. Yay getting it in time for the fantasy KS. Also - yay getting it!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/15 10:13:57

Post by: Snrub

 Yonan wrote:
Yep same. Yay getting it in time for the fantasy KS. Also - yay getting it!

What?! No.

Nooo. It can't go down like this. It just can't. I can't have you beating me to the punch.
It just ain't fair....

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/15 12:31:27

Post by: Yonan

If you're an eastie you might get it first if it comes in through the east coast still. Can take a while to come to Perth, though on the odd occasion it comes in from the west yay me ; p

Let us consume copious quantities of vegemite whilst we wait!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/15 14:37:36

Post by: Snrub

Verily, for are we not happy little Vegemites, as happy as can be?


I'm guessing mine is going to be one of the last shipped. I brought ton of extras.

Edited by RiTides: Language, please!

^ [sorry boss]

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/16 12:45:15

Post by: GrimDork

What is it with you guys and vegimite? Or is it mate? Is it the AU equivalent of spam or something entirely different?

Looking forward to building a cramped facility and having my dudes try to survive it. I think the deadzone contagion zombie rules maybe with small tweaks will lead to crazy and intense survival runs.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/16 12:54:19

Post by: Yonan

Just talking gak ; p

Yeah that should be good, we certainly have enough zombies for it ; p I'm also thinking Star Wars: Imperial Assault could be a good use of the terrain!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/17 01:34:59

Post by: Snrub

Hey Yonan. Guess what I just got from the lovely, sexy bear of a parcel man?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/17 02:01:19

Post by: Yonan

On a Sunday? You wouldn't be pulling my leg would you? ; p

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/17 02:10:11

Post by: Snrub

Never...

1

BATTLE SYSTEMS!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/17 02:22:45

Post by: Yonan

Filthy nasty little hobbitses!! Bet it smells like victory too. Grats ; p

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/17 02:31:10

Post by: Snrub

It does... It does smell like victory. Victory and cardboard.

And for some odd reason, napalm.



It was one of the DHL couriers that delivered it, not Aussie Post. So there's every chance yours will rock up today as well.
It's strangely nice getting a package on a Sunday.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Awww man.. I've got so much stuff I don't know where to start.

Gonna have to go through this thoroughly and make sure I've got everything I should have.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/17 12:22:57

Post by: Azazelx

When did you get your notice? Got mine on the 14th...

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/17 13:17:13

Post by: Yonan

"We are pleased to inform you that your order (XXXXXX) has been despatched via Default on 2014 Aug 13 10:54:40"

Was what I received. Will deffo take at least a day longer to get to west coast I imagine.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/17 13:22:33

Post by: Snrub

I didn't get a notice. Mine just rocked up out of no where.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/17 15:59:33

Post by: GrimDork

I got a notice, but I'm assuming they're using the not-overnight-fedex, and it will come this week if I'm lucky, or next week probably.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/18 00:55:10

Post by: Azazelx

Hm, are people getting tracking numbers with their ship notices?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/18 00:59:45

Post by: GrimDork

Mine mentioned something about any tracking numbers needing up to 24 hours to become active... but I'm pretty sure they didn't give me one.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/18 04:44:12

Post by: Yonan

Same here, no tracking number. I assume they exist somewhere though as these are large boxes distro'd by couriers that deliver on Sunday apparently (*shakes fist as Snrub*).

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/18 05:51:57

Post by: Snrub

It's what you get for living in the middle of no where.



~~~~~

I'll try and do something helpful here.

I went through the KS page and tallied up everything you get in the Stronghold set + all the free stretch goals.
So people can use this as a reference point to see what they should have when their packages arrive. Hopefully it's be useful to someone.


Stronghold

9 Floor Tiles
2 Small Floor tiles
30 Walls
12 Doorway
12 Blast Doors
10 Cargo Crates
6 'V' Consoles
18 Struts
9 Buttresses
9 Chairs
3 Transfer Conduits
2 Command Screens
2 Clone Chambers
18 Gantries (various shapes)
24 Large Railings
21 Small Railings
18 pairs of Wall Converters
15 Spotlights
6 Stairs (small and large)
34 additional Ramps
70+ Acrylic Clips
1 Turbine
1 Battle Table
1 Hangar Bay


All free Stretch goals

3 Walls
1 Doorway

1 Clone Chamber
5 Cargo Crates

1 Command Screen
2 'V' Consoles

1 Transfer Conduit
1 'V' Console
2 Stairs (small and large)

1 Gantry
2 Small Floor tiles
4 Railings

1 Hanger Bay
1 Battle Table

3 Converter kits
5 Spotlights
2 Gantries

8 Railings
3 Gantries (various shapes)

Cargo Crate Re-skin

3 Walls
1 Doorway

1 Command Screen
1 'V' Console
4 Cargo Crates

1 Transfer Conduit
2 'V' Consoles
2 Cargo Crates



Totals

9 Floor Tiles
4 Small Floor tiles
36 Walls
14 Doorway
12 Blast Doors
21 Cargo Crates
12 'V' Consoles
18 Struts
9 Buttresses
9 Chairs
5 Transfer Conduits
4 Command Screens
3 Clone Chambers
24 Gantries (various shapes)
57 Large Railings (various sizes)
21 pairs of Wall Converters
20 Spotlights
8 Stairs (small and large)
34 additional Ramps
70+ Acrylic Clips
1 Turbine
2 Battle Tables
2 Hanger Bays
Cargo Crate Re-skin


Plus for anyone who didn't know, you can find a full list of assembly videos here.

~~~~~

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/18 06:03:28

Post by: Yonan

Now that *is* useful, thankee muchly!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/18 12:21:26

Post by: GrimDork

Excellent, thanks for that. It wouldn't hurt to check and make sure I got everything, and I'll need to watch the videos again and there's a link. Good man.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/18 21:15:33

Post by: ced1106

Any chance someone could put together a one-level map of a "sweet spot" pledge? Roughly how much stuff did you get in terms of, say, Terraclips sets and clips, or Dwarven Forge I KS sets? I'm having trouble visualizing Snrub's much appreciated list. Thanks in advance!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/19 07:47:54

Post by: Azazelx

Thanks Snrub. My stuff got delivered yesterday, but since I don't live at my mailing address and do a mail pickup once a week - and have things on this and next weekend, it could be 3 weeks before I can unbox and inventory my stuff.

Did they work out which pens are the new hotness yet? That's something I can get hold of in the meantime...

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/19 13:57:11

Post by: Snrub

Hey Az, your in Melbourne yeah? Maybe I could pick up your set for you.... Yeah... I'll save you some time and pick it up and assemble it..


Um, regarding the Pens. In the penning video on the website, Colin talks about using "Pantone colours" by electraset(?) and a certain type of Fabercastell marker.
After a very quick search I found these Pantone pens. I'm not sure if they were the same ones Colin uses in the Vid though. They look a wee bit different. Maybe someone else will have better luck.


Ced, what exactly are you asking for? Do you want a shot of all the sheets laid out next to each other or do you want a shot of everything assembled and set up?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/19 15:19:59

Post by: DaveC

The pens are out of production the current equivalent is the Letraset pro.

The turbine/ rust colour is Saffron. The locker green is Lime Zest.

I'm not sure on the rest as the local store only had a limited range. I tried raw sienna on the dark browns it look fine until it dried and then it was a little to light. One thing I've noticed the marker colours are a lot lighter than you expect to have to use.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/19 21:44:16

Post by: ced1106

 Snrub wrote:
Ced, what exactly are you asking for? Do you want a shot of all the sheets laid out next to each other or do you want a shot of everything assembled and set up?

Ideally, everything assembled and set up, but, yes, that's a lot to ask, especially with the penning (whoops, skipped that part). Maybe a shot of something assembled before the next BS KS ends? Thanks in advance.

I guess if anyone has an idea of roughly how much sheets / stuff you get of BS vs. Terraclips (or Dwarven Forge), that would help me get an idea of what to expect at the $100 level (including SGs) of the next KS.

Also, *very* glad that they're doing a fantasy terrain second. Demand would be higher, and they're gaining valuable experience from their first KS.

Expect a Dungeon Saga EB slot to open soon...

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/21 22:08:35

Post by: Azazelx

 DaveC wrote:
The pens are out of production the current equivalent is the Letraset pro.

The turbine/ rust colour is Saffron. The locker green is Lime Zest.

I'm not sure on the rest as the local store only had a limited range. I tried raw sienna on the dark browns it look fine until it dried and then it was a little to light. One thing I've noticed the marker colours are a lot lighter than you expect to have to use.

Are there any updates on this (the pens, not the KS) - I'm picking up my pledge tonight, and I'd really love to find out the correct pens ASAP so I can order them, since I don't want to start assembly until after I've super glued down the edges, which I can't do until I find out the current "best match" pens for all of the surfaces...

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/22 00:11:22

Post by: Yonan

 Azazelx wrote:
Are there any updates on this (the pens, not the KS) - I'm picking up my pledge tonight, and I'd really love to find out the correct pens ASAP so I can order them, since I don't want to start assembly until after I've super glued down the edges, which I can't do until I find out the current "best match" pens for all of the surfaces...

And THIS is why all my toys are still in boxes ; p
"I can't assemble these SMs until I get X to kitbash them with."
"I can't paint these guys until I practice this technique on something gakky."
"I can't paint these Dreamforge until I get the rest of the order." <-- this ones a killer ; p

Oh, picking mine up from the depot today too yaaay!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/22 00:14:58

Post by: GrimDork

Drat still toiling away here with no battle systems. Still hasn't been two weeks since they sent the package though so I can't complain.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/22 00:15:44

Post by: Yonan

Teach you to rebel against the British!

edit: I'm glad we stayed in the commonwealth, damn that's nice terrain! *wallows in it like Scrooge in a money pit*

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/22 07:30:26

Post by: Azazelx

 Yonan wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Are there any updates on this (the pens, not the KS) - I'm picking up my pledge tonight, and I'd really love to find out the correct pens ASAP so I can order them, since I don't want to start assembly until after I've super glued down the edges, which I can't do until I find out the current "best match" pens for all of the surfaces...

And THIS is why all my toys are still in boxes ; p
"I can't assemble these SMs until I get X to kitbash them with."
"I can't paint these guys until I practice this technique on something gakky."
"I can't paint these Dreamforge until I get the rest of the order." <-- this ones a killer ; p

Oh, picking mine up from the depot today too yaaay!

At least we've got a good chance of getting the right pens before 2015. (and yeah - that is the reason my DFG stuff is still all boxed and on sprue - a desire for consistency that's been overtaken by a change of focus to fantasy figures during the never-ending wait for the rest of the DFG stuff...)

Still, I'm at 236 figures painted/finished this year, which is a best-ever excepting possibly in my teens when my paint was sometimes ...slightly less good.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I sent them a PM after posting earlier, and they were kind enough to reply very quickly:

Hi Azazel,

Thanks for the email, the pens are a real issue as there does not seem to be a cross reference and Letraset were unhelpful /

However I am looking at other pens, Kromacolour and Copic are really good and I'm working on getting the codes, but will need to visit a super store and buy and test lots of pens.

The good news is simple felt pens work fine even cheap ones, (just don't get kid friendly washable ones) or if you take a couple of components to your store that sells the graphic pens and some off cut frames from the popped out card, you can test a few colour there and then buy just what you need. You will only really need a few colours

Brown/orange colour = Struts, Turbines, Conduits or any of the brown rusty iron textures.

Strong Black and Yellow = for any hazard markings (if you have those add-ons)

Light green = Lockers, Bunk Beds (if you have the add-on with the lockers)

When you glue-edge the Clone Chamber and Wall Console the glue actually deepens the colour of the edge of the card and looks great on both so no need to pen those.

That's petty much it, you can use a light brown for some of the crates if you want and all the Walls, Ramps, Railings, Walkways etc do not need penning now as the card is a similar colour. The brown/orange is the most important pen to get as this brings those rusty iron metal items to life and they benefit the most.

Hope that helps.

Colin Young
Battle Systems Ltd
www.battlesystems.co.uk
info@battlesystems.co.uk

So, basically I won't even bother opening the box for a few weeks or more until someone works out the codes since there's little point in the interim. /sigh

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/23 01:27:46

Post by: Snrub

Update #71

Aug 23 2014
Shipping and Dungeons
7 comments
17 likes

Well we are getting more and more photos of people building their Strongholds and Hulks, it's crazy seeing these as I still think this stuff is mine, "Hey you!!! Give that back, where did you get that, it's mine!". Even Wayne had to pry terrain pieces out of my hands and he never got a set of his own until we had the main stock delivered. (And very happy I was walking out of the warehouse with my own set. Unfortunately I forgot to swipe some add-ons! - Wayne)

Seeing the terrain out there with minis all over it in mid game is just amazing. It takes us back to the public game test we did with the Alien v Predator the miniatures game, but this time we don't have to box up the terrain and take it back to Battle Systems Towers. lol

Keep those photos coming though, it's truly amazing for us to see this around the world and those photos just by themselves have made the whole project worth while. We are truly happy.

Shipping...

With an estimated 50% of our backers in possession of their terrain (probably just a little over that) and the rest in transit we are expecting another surge of emails and pictures coming when the remainder starts to arrive over the next 7 days. Although some will be a little longer depending on who your local courier is and how they handle parcels where you are.

take some time and don't forget the card frames that are left behind.

Shipping emails...

When Wayland send an email to confirm dispatch this is normally at the point they print the label for your parcel as we understand it. Your box of goodies is then placed on a pallet and waits until the other orders for your destination are processed. The pallet itself may not leave for another few days and so the actual dispatch date could be 3, 4 maybe 7 days later. Once it has dispatched (the pallet finally leaves) we expect the bulk of backers should be looking at a delivery time of 5-10 working days. So probably a couple of weeks. Pallets have gone now, but you may have had the email some time ago. (If you haven't received your goods or a notification by 8th September please contact us or Wayland games directly at: support@waylandgames.co.uk - Wayne)

Here's Wayne in action a couple of weeks ago with your stretch goals. He's the man.

[Wouldn't let me copy the video]

The oddities of shipping...

We are getting instances of people not receiving their email from Wayland, but getting their delivery anyway, and others getting their delivery on one day, then getting the email a few days later. We have no idea why, but rest assured that the parcels are in transit and making their way around the world, some faster than others.

Dungeon Kickstarter...

Of course you may be slightly aware that we will be launching our next KS TONIGHT at 8pm (20:00 hours) UK time. We have had this planned for many months and in fact just like the sci-fi terrain it's been in development for over 18 months. So what have we learned? Loads actually, both while developing, after testing ourself with final working sets from the manufactures and also over the last couple of weeks with the fantastic feedback provided by you. We have already learned how to reduce the amount of slot adjustments as just one example.

To be honest the feedback has been overwhelmingly and massively positive and has surpassed our expectations. You guys have been crucial in the final development of this new line of products and if we continue to do well we will indeed be expanding our range of terrain with new genres and also in the current sci-fi and fantasy lines. - We need more spaceships.




We thank you all for your support and making this terrain possible, not just in funding, but by guiding us in how a KS should be run (you told us what to do and held our hands) but also stayed with us through the production process and gave constant feedback. Pure synergy.

Anyway here is the Fantasy version of the Stronghold, hope to see many of you tonight for the next instalment of flexible 3D terrain to make your game surroundings as good as your figures.

"Yes sir/Madam, come forward and witness the Fantasy Dungeon".

Here is the exclusive we revealed on our blog this week... just in case you missed it.

We will continue to post updates here for the sci-fi project periodically and as needed, but do join us in the new updates for the Fantasy Dungeon KS.

Over and out… until tonight.

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/23 01:42:23

Post by: Yonan

 Azazelx wrote:

Brown/orange colour = Struts, Turbines, Conduits or any of the brown rusty iron textures.
Strong Black and Yellow = for any hazard markings (if you have those add-ons)
Light green = Lockers, Bunk Beds (if you have the add-on with the lockers)

When you glue-edge the Clone Chamber and Wall Console the glue actually deepens the colour of the edge of the card and looks great on both so no need to pen those.

So, basically I won't even bother opening the box for a few weeks or more until someone works out the codes since there's little point in the interim. /sigh

Good info! Hmmm to wait for them to do the legwork or to rush out and start testing pens...
*leans back to watch the fantasy battle system pledge* ; p

 Azazelx wrote:
Still, I'm at 236 figures painted/finished this year, which is a best-ever excepting possibly in my teens when my paint was sometimes ...slightly less good.

Damn that's good going! I think I'm at about 80 done with several hundred new minis added to the "to-do" list this year -_-

Speaking of the leftover sheets, can anyone think of a use for them?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/23 02:00:59

Post by: GrimDork

Possibly as scrap barricades? They're mostly white/grey inbetween color right? Use them like you would any other flat material like that, something to put screens and other printouts on maybe.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/24 01:44:49

Post by: MasterSlowPoke

Anyone from the US get their yet?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/24 09:14:01

Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured

On the subject of pens Talion78 over on the reaper forums posted

I've been testing some pens for the guys at BS

Here's the ones I find that match they are Letraset Permanent Twin Tip Pro Marker - readily available in the UK

Turbine Outer - Saffron O739 [Yellow]
Turbine Blade - Raw Sienna O646 [Brown]
Lockers - Lime Zest G159 [Green]
Clone Chamber - Cool Aqua C429 [Blue]

Still working on the other colours needed

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/25 05:19:32

Post by: JoshInJapan

I found this very, very small thread on the Battlesystems fan forum that might be helpful:

http://battlesystemsfans.forumotion.com/t30-the-pen-thread

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/25 11:42:42

Post by: GrimDork

QoL is trying to get the full set figured out for everyone by the end of the week or so.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/25 13:58:17

Post by: rabidaskal

Just got my set today, woohoo. Timing-wise not bad at all, I was expecting a much longer wait. The delivery guy actually brought it last Friday apparently, but I wasn't expecting it so there was no one home to receive it. Today was the second delivery attempt ^^

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/25 17:43:08

Post by: DaveC

Sci-fi backers

For those backers patiently waiting for their sets to arrive (mostly international) virtually all of the sets have been sent out. The bottleneck now is individual customs and local couriers. If you haven’t received your order by the 8th September 2014 please let us know or email Wayland Games direct at support@waylandgames.co.uk

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/26 10:59:24

Post by: DaveC

The Beta version of the 3D assembly kit it is now available

http://www.battlesystems.co.uk/3dkit.html

You can use it to plan layouts before assembly.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/29 01:24:18

Post by: Snrub

Update #72

Aug 28 2014
And the pallets are gone!
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Hello to everyone, distribution of the sci-fi sets thunders on, those guys who have yet to receive theirs (I can see you are all chomping at the bit to get your terrain) it is coming, we promise you.

Pallets...

We can confirm that the last of the pallets left Wayland Games on Tuesday as planned… they will now be on a plane making their way over to you all. They should arrive on or near the 1st September as in our last update, then it's 3-5 days from then that the goodies should be arriving.

What happens now…

We have learned a lot about distribution over the last few weeks and although we set dates for things logistics can get in the way. A while back we said that the USA should be getting the goodies in early September, but when we started the distribution it looked to be delivering earlier, however it now seems that we should have been more conservative with our time lines. Lesson learned, we will not jump the gun again! (we just get really excited).


some of the terrain packed up… this will now be on a plane… right now.

So you should have your lovely space stations and sci-fi settings by the 8th September at the latest. If you don't receive your goods or a notification by the 8th September please contact us or Wayland Games direct.

We've had massively positive feedback from the UK & EU and there are lots of builds going up all over the web, so just a little longer and you too will be joining the fun.

Over & out for now.

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/31 06:23:55

Post by: Snrub

Took this the other day. Thought I'd post it just for funsies.




The War Room.

Things get heated as Captain Brauer's command council debates the best course of action for an upcoming assault.

"A frontal assault along the freeway is the most direct and quickest way to take the bastion!" says Lord Commissar Gibbs.
"You can't just walk the whole company down the open freeway!" Cries Lt. Fossman. "It'd be suicide. Their big guns would annihilate us before we get anywhere near the objective."
"That sounds like cowardice Lieutenant."
"No, Commissar. Unlike you, I have no wish to die for no good reason."

... Meanwhile, in the background, The Master of Ordnance and the Officer of the Fleet discuss the merits of an orbital strike.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/31 06:34:02

Post by: Yonan

Very nice! There's certainly enough doodads to liven up the boards, that's a great looking war room.

I started putting a little nook together today as a background for model shots. It's night and day how much easier (and not-damaging) to assemble when the contact points are superglued. Had to lever wider a couple of walls but that was no biggie. Better too tight than too loose... -_-

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/31 06:50:42

Post by: Snrub

I'm running really low on superglue at the moment and what I do have is in a squeezy tube.

Gonna have to grab a bottle of the brush on stuff next time I go out. Just wondering how much I'm going to need though. I do have a lot of gak to glue.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/31 07:21:07

Post by: Yonan

Know of a cheap option down here? I picked up 2x 5ml brush on glue pots "Selleys quick fix" but they were relatively dear at $5 a piece I think. We gon' need a *lot* of glue!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/31 07:25:22

Post by: Snrub

The only cheap cheap stuff is from the $2 shop. But that nasty gak is more water then adhesive.

We're probably going to be better off spending a little bit extra for a good quality glue. We didn't half arse it on our pledge. Why would we half arse it on the glue?

Loctite all the way baby!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/31 07:35:32

Post by: Yonan

This stuff? Looks like a convenient top with no unscrewing.


This is what I have, roughly the same price per volume and brush on, fairly thick for normal superglue. No complaints but I'll grab a loctite one to compare.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/31 15:42:43

Post by: Tannhauser42

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Anyone from the US get their yet?

Nope, and I got my shipping notice on the 13th. No tracking info provided. Clearly, it is taking the longest possible route to get to me in Texas.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/08/31 15:53:40

Post by: GrimDork

I'm in the same place Tannhauser42, hoping next week. Well I mean southern Illinois, but that's not so terribly far.

Cool war room!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/02 23:16:35

Post by: Tannhauser42

Update: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-sci-fi-modular-terrain/posts/972259

Spoiler:

Update #73 Sep 2 2014
Shipping delays...
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Hi all sci-fi backers we have had an update on shipping from Wayland Games.

At 7.28 this morning we had an email form them explaining that the plane from the UK to the USA has not yet left the UK. Despite being assured that it should have already left the UK - "it should be in the air now" - it appears that there was a problem between Wayland Games and the shipping company receiving the pallets at the other side. The problem is a paperwork one and I'm waiting for a response from Wayland regarding this and how quickly it will be resolved. As soon as i get this i will update immediately as always.

The last line of an email from Wayland was this…

"You have every right to "nag" as you put it. I am indeed tearing me hair out and I'm trying to get it on the plane today. If there is anything I need from you I will let you know immediately."

That is a copy and paste, so Wayland are doing everything they can. Wayland have said that the actual issue is the invoice that goes with the pallets is not a single one and actually is comprised of some 500 parcels each with individual invoices…. yes this is what stopped it from getting in the air. Frustrating to say the least, but true enough /

Above all we pride ourselves on communication and have passed all news to you as soon as we have received it. I've read the KS updates from other projects, the problems that occur and the frustrations of backers so fully understand that this happens.

Our communication is what we have been told sets us apart from many projects and so we have always been honest and passed on what we have been told. This is great when we are in control and pulling the strings. Clearly an issue with this is that when we are let down by paperwork issues from third parties it means that we then have to explain why the last thing we told you did not happen.

Despite the above we will continue to let you know all information as we receive it and if I have an answer later today I will write another update, even if the updates become our tracking. I will write a daily 'backer only' update to track this if needed.

So…

Sorry for the delays we are truly doing everything we can to shove these pallets onto the plane and in the air. Again this is what we have been told less than 3 hours ago as I write this so are letting you know straight away.

We are looking at providing an upgraded shipping option in out Pledge Manager (Backerkit) for our current and subsequent KS projects. Also in future Wayland will not send email confirmation for parcels that have not left as this also caused unnecessary confusion to backers and ourselves.

On this, our first project, we have learnt a great deal about the fulfilment and so two guys will be prepared next time.

Over & out (but only until we get another update from Wayland)

Colin & Wayne

So, it looks like all the US orders (even including the ones that had a shipping notice go out) actually didn't go out due to a paperwork snafu with the invoices.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/02 23:47:37

Post by: JoshInJapan

There is a graphic in this thread from the Battlesystems forum listing the appropriate pens.

http://battlesystemsfans.forumotion.com/t30-the-pen-thread

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 00:00:33

Post by: Yonan

Awesome, thanks for letting us know they were all done. I'm surprised there's no greys, do we just leave the majority of the white/grey wall sections as-is?

Also, commiserations to those in the US. /hug

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 00:00:51

Post by: GrimDork

Oooh missed that, thanks for sharing!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 00:45:45

Post by: SavageRobby

Well, that is pretty frustrating. Trust Wayland to screw it up.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 01:00:38

Post by: JoshInJapan

 Yonan wrote:
do we just leave the majority of the white/grey wall sections as-is?

That seems to be the consensus. I'm sure a medium-grey will do the trick if it stands out too much.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 01:18:21

Post by: Snrub

JoshInJapan wrote:There is a graphic in this thread from the Battlesystems forum listing the appropriate pens.

http://battlesystemsfans.forumotion.com/t30-the-pen-thread

Nice. That's quite useful. Now just have to find a local place that sells the Letraset pens.

SavageRobby wrote:Well, that is pretty frustrating. Trust Wayland to screw it up.

Is it really Waylands fault though? Seems more like it's the airport getting their knickers in a twist because of the invoice/s.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 01:23:19

Post by: Yonan

I'm sending a minion out to check some local art stores and what not, but I'll probably buy from ebay. There's a set of any 12 colours for $41 +$13 shipping working out to a bit under $5 a piece or any 1 colour for $3.60 +$5 shipping which they'll combine to an extent for multiple purchases.

If you find any Aussie or online shops selling them I'd love to hear about them!

note: Aussie ebay and prices from a UK store.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 01:29:23

Post by: GrimDork

I may just pocket a few pieces and take them to hobby lobby and see if they have their markers such that I can test them, rather than wrapped shut.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 09:40:18

Post by: Azazelx

Thanks guys for that. when I asked Colin about the greys a week or so ago, this is what he said:

When you glue-edge the Clone Chamber and Wall Console the glue actually deepens the colour of the edge of the card and looks great on both so no need to pen those.

I've just bought a set of the colours from an eBay store that amusingly just happens to be the same place that Yonan just linked. I emailed them about postage costs/combined postage and they replied that they would send any number for 5 pounds. So if you end up buying any, let them know they told that to a friend of yours and see if they will do it for you as well.




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update - they have black in stock as well. Just eBay message them and they can add it to your order. If you order from them.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 12:45:23

Post by: SavageRobby

 Snrub wrote:

SavageRobby wrote:Well, that is pretty frustrating. Trust Wayland to screw it up.

Is it really Waylands fault though? Seems more like it's the airport getting their knickers in a twist because of the invoice/s.

Wayland is responsible for the paperwork, aren't they? And they told BS it was in the air on the 28th, only to turn around and tell them it wasn't on the 2nd. That's pretty poor communication and business practice, anyway you slice it. Of course, based on their history, it doesn't seem terribly surprising, just disappointing. And this after getting a shipping notification early last month (from Wayland), only to discover that didn't mean it had actually shipped, just been packed.

Seriously, is it so damn hard to just tell people the truth?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/03 14:33:23

Post by: Luide

 SavageRobby wrote:
[Wayland is responsible for the paperwork, aren't they? And they told BS it was in the air on the 28th, only to turn around and tell them it wasn't on the 2nd.

Judging by your comments, I have assume you have zero experience in shipping anything abroad as you don't seem to know anything about the actual processes involved.

Most likely what happened is that the packages were collected from Wayland on time for the (probably evening) flight on 28th. Now, at this point any reasonable human being would assume that if every single package has been fixed with the proper documentation (including invoices in triplicate) according to their best knowledge, packages would be leaving on that plane.

Enter the problem: Shipping company does NOT want to manually take process the ~500 packages, which would require opening little plastic sleeve in each cardboard box, taking the invoice and entering it to their system. Instead, they want Wayland to collect that info and give it to them. This might have been on the shipping company's contract, or might not. In any case, it is lot faster for Wayland to give the information than to start fighting about who is to blame.
Waylands mistake was they used same process for sending packages as they use for normal abroad shipments, instead of double checking the process with the shipping company. This is something they should have been more diligent about, and I sincerely hope they will be in future.

While you're making huge fuss about the "28th to 2nd" thing, 28th evening to 2nd morning is grand total of two working days. For a communication process which has 3 separate players: Shipping company, Wayland and Battle Systems, it isn't that slow, though one day turnaround would have been better. But not knowing how long it took shipping company to contact Wayland, it is unfair shoulder all blame to them as you have done.

 SavageRobby wrote:
Seriously, is it so damn hard to just tell people the truth?

You seem to have some sort of personal crusade against Wayland going on.
Let me give you an example situation:Let's say some guy is sending you package, and courier company collects it at Wednesday and it is scheduled for Thursday delivery. Guy calls you, tells you that the package is in the van and will be delivered Thursday. Unfortunately the guy sending you the package made a mistake in the address, package takes one day detour and is delivered instead on Friday: Did the person in your opinion (deliberately) lie to you? Or did he make a statement he thought was the truth?

Disclaimer: I'm in no way affliated with Wayland, and I have made total of 4 purchases there. I just wanted to provide a little bit more balanced viewpoint on this issue.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/04 11:26:45

Post by: SavageRobby

We'll just have to agree to disagree, although this point:

Luide wrote:
Waylands mistake was they used same process for sending packages as they use for normal abroad shipments, instead of double checking the process with the shipping company. This is something they should have been more diligent about, and I sincerely hope they will be in future.

Mostly invalidates your others. Wayland was hired as the "expert" in this. They should have double checked. And given that it was a new process, they should have been in constant communication with the shipper to make sure there was no issues. They did neither, apparently.

And FWIW, 2 days and have passed, and no word that things have been sorted out. Some experts.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/04 14:08:05

Post by: DaveC

Project Update #74: Very short update to say we are pushing the shipping...
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I said I would keep you all up to date with info as I get it even if it's nothing solid.

As we said it was all to do with paperwork as the parcels are waiting a ready to go. I have been chasing Wayland Games and in turn they have been chasing the shipping. Here is a cut and paste of the last email I got today at 14:38.

'The paperwork is in with the airline. I'm just awaiting confirmation that it's A-OK and what flight it is booked on. There is a chance that it will go today, but only a small one.'

I have had a few emails back a forth with Wayland chasing yesterday and this is the first one that shows progress. Seems like it is nearly there... so very small chance it will go on the plane today, but it's being chased a few times a day.

Still doing all we can and keeping you up to date, I'll try to be the tracker for you guys until it lands in the USA, then it is down to your local post.

Over & out for now

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/04 22:58:23

Post by: GrimDork

Wasting away over here pining for my cardboard goodies...

At least they're very communicative about it!

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/05 19:14:30

Post by: SavageRobby

But nothing today, and COB is past in the UK. So probably nothing until Monday. If we're lucky, they're on a plane and there was just (another) communication breakdown. But given the shipping "expert" involved, I doubt it. Very disappointing.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/05 23:42:42

Post by: DaveC

Project Update #75: Little bit of extra News...
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It's not fully confirmed, but we did have contact from Wayland Games today. This was the email.

"Hi Guys,

Awesome News! They will be on the plane tonight. I'm just awaiting confirmation of the expecting timings from there and as soon as I have a schedule I'll send it over…"

I have not had the schedule back from them yet, but it looks like it might have gone on the plane tonight. Now I promised to keep you up to date and so thats why I'm writing this. It's still possible the plane did not go and I have not had confirmation that it's gone, but that might be because of a late flight.

I also asked what the process will be when it arrives and the timings in the USA. Originally it was 3-5 days to reach you guys from when it lands, but like I say I'm waiting for this confirmation.

I may not get further news now until Monday, but if I do i will update here. I waited up until late just in case, but now at 12pm (uk time) I'm updating what we know.

So you all know exactly what we know and I suspect we all have our fingers crossed )

Cheers All

Colin & Wayne

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/06 07:54:40

Post by: Azazelx

So did anyone else pick up any pens yet?

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/06 10:50:54

Post by: Yonan

Still checking locally before I resort to online. Given the bulk doesn't need it according to that email of yours, which I basically agree with after seeing some superglued, at least we can get to work in the meantime.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/06 13:46:53

Post by: GrimDork

This stuff will go together and come apart really easy, probably wouldn't be hard to build a layout and then go back and take it apart in segments to do the penning and gluing. So whenever my stuff comes in, I won't be waiting.

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Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread @ 2014/09/06 14:06:23

Post by: Yonan

I tried assembling without gluing - bad idea, it damages pretty easily, it's so much better glued. I'd say at the very least quickly glue the contact points on the stuff you want to build, that will reduce 95% of the damage, but even then I found it would sometimes buckle just beyond the glue on particularly tight connections.

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