akwing00 wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
Well technically the Blooded is the 2nd company but it seems that formation doesn't really give you anything the Baal Strikeforce detachment doesn't give you.

true, just sounded like they would also get WL traits and relics

True, i'm not disagreeing with you in your dissappointment.

Did the necrons get anything? Could you run through their formations for me? Much appreciated!!

Crap, now I'm tempted to buy an expensive supplement just to be able to buy 6 empty pods for my allies.


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Oh and the DC + Chaplain one, can they get Astorath instead of a generic guy?

Mavnas wrote:
Crap, now I'm tempted to buy an expensive supplement just to be able to buy 6 empty pods for my allies.


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Oh and the DC + Chaplain one, can they get Astorath instead of a generic guy?

Just says 1 Chaplain, so no mention of Astorath and he's not part of any formations at all

The flesh tearers get some crap relics. The shield that gives a 3+ save is that normal save or invulnerable save cos man if its not invul what is the point.
If it is invul I could see a use certainly

Formation- Archangels Sanguine wing-

2 VV veterans,
1 Sternguard
1 storm raven

-rules have been stated before and are correct

So requires 10 guys in each squad huh? That's a little pricy but I think with all the free gear it's probably still a really good choice. I'll have to edit my list and try and fit it in.

 DO IT TO IT wrote:
Formation- Archangels Sanguine wing-

2 VV veterans,
1 Sternguard
1 storm raven

-rules have been stated before and are correct

So requires 10 guys in each squad huh? That's a little pricy but I think with all the free gear it's probably still a really good choice. I'll have to edit my list and try and fit it in.

860 points minimum for the required squads and Raven.

Save 400 points in free gear.

Yeah, that sounds "worth it".

Some of these formations are wildly specific on taking certain things, and not very good. Things like "we want you to take 37.2 tacticals crammed in a stormraven with a dreadnought, with 5 veterans dressed like clowns, 1 Devastator who is just getting over a cold, and a very disgruntled chaplain on foot alone, and you can only use this formation on a Monday."

A couple of them are off the deep end of the power level chart, like the 3x raven insta-assault formation, or the veterans that got their weapons for Christmas.

The one with Dante is good but not ridiculous, but it basically writes your list for you.

The death company one is also neat and not ridic, although the raven is sort of a random requirement.

I'm glad the ft detachment cuts out one of the two troop tax squads. Although I would prefer red thirst over having a 16.667 % chance at rage on any charge.

Overall I might actually use the death company one and the one with the jump pack impact hits, as well as the ft detachment since I hate taxical marines.

Motograter wrote:
The flesh tearers get some crap relics. The shield that gives a 3+ save is that normal save or invulnerable save cos man if its not invul what is the point.
If it is invul I could see a use certainly

I sincerely doubt it is a 3+ armor save.

 pretre wrote:

Motograter wrote:
The flesh tearers get some crap relics. The shield that gives a 3+ save is that normal save or invulnerable save cos man if its not invul what is the point.
If it is invul I could see a use certainly

I sincerely doubt it is a 3+ armor save.

I am hoping so but lets be honest the others aren`t great sounding. If it is an invul though like I said that is good, Shame you cant mix it assuming invul with the valor`s edge or can you, hmmm that would be nice but unlikely

Motograter wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Motograter wrote:
The flesh tearers get some crap relics. The shield that gives a 3+ save is that normal save or invulnerable save cos man if its not invul what is the point.
If it is invul I could see a use certainly

I sincerely doubt it is a 3+ armor save.

I am hoping so but lets be honest the others aren`t great sounding. If it is an invul though like I said that is good, Shame you cant mix it assuming invul with the valor`s edge or can you, hmmm that would be nice but unlikely

I assure, you looking at it right now, its 3+ armor.

Not really good at this pictures upload thing, so apologies for quality

That's... About as useless of a Relic as it gets... A T4 model gets this?

I'm guessing a misprint since the only things that can take it are 3+ already, right?

It's probably not a literal Shield, but a named suit of power armour.

It'd be nice if someone new how to orient a phone.

 pretre wrote:
It'd be nice if someone new how to orient a phone.

i did say srry in advance, its proper on my phone and on my PC, but turned 90 degrees when i uploaded it

 akwing00 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
It'd be nice if someone new how to orient a phone.

i did say srry in advance, its proper on my phone and on my PC, but turned 90 degrees when i uploaded it

That's why I smiled. You need to manually set the orientation and then upload it.

In the lore above its effect you can see they are talking about armor. So its a suit of power armor that protects the wearer from poison.

In a campaign book about BA VS tyranids (who can have a lot of poison) it makes perfect sense.

 pretre wrote:

 akwing00 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
It'd be nice if someone new how to orient a phone.

i did say srry in advance, its proper on my phone and on my PC, but turned 90 degrees when i uploaded it

That's why I smiled. You need to manually set the orientation and then upload it.

fair enough, but at least im not as disappointing as this book lol, imo anyway.

How much does the weird anti-poison armor cost? Any more than like a combi-weapon would be crazy.

As in you'd have to be crazy to pay for it, I mean.

 DO IT TO IT wrote:
How much does the weird anti-poison armor cost? Any more than like a combi-weapon would be crazy.

As in you'd have to be crazy to pay for it, I mean.

any relic i forgot to put a value for is half the cost of a combi-weapon

 M0ff3l wrote:
In the lore above its effect you can see they are talking about armor. So its a suit of power armor that protects the wearer from poison.

In a campaign book about BA VS tyranids (who can have a lot of poison) it makes perfect sense.

This is true but as its unlikely Flesh Tearers will get a supplement of their own and will have to use this (i know they dont have to but ya know) then as a general thing for any amount of points that is awful. They already have power armour why not just give immunity poison with anything other than shield of cretacia. After having read that book this shield you`d think would be an actual shield based off one of those massive beasties but plain jane armour for protection against poison....... Just i have no idea. The relics for the FT are mind boggingly bad.

Quick question can I use the Flesh Tearers warlord traits but still take blood angel relics or do I have to go all in and take WL traits and relics from one or the other. Obviously i`m not mixing relics just using the dex ones while changing my WL traits

Motograter wrote:

Quick question can I use the Flesh Tearers warlord traits but still take blood angel relics or do I have to go all in and take WL traits and relics from one or the other. Obviously i`m not mixing relics just using the dex ones while changing my WL traits

They are still Blood Angels, also the necron one says at its warlord traits that you can choose to roll from the new table instead of the rulebook ones or codex specific ones. So I would say you can take Flesh Tearers with any Relics (BA or FT) and any WL Trait (BA or FT).

 M0ff3l wrote:

Motograter wrote:

Quick question can I use the Flesh Tearers warlord traits but still take blood angel relics or do I have to go all in and take WL traits and relics from one or the other. Obviously i`m not mixing relics just using the dex ones while changing my WL traits

They are still Blood Angels, also the necron one says at its warlord traits that you can choose to roll from the new table instead of the rulebook ones or codex specific ones. So I would say you can take Flesh Tearers with any Relics (BA or FT) and any WL Trait (BA or FT).

the information above both BA and FT tables match the necron one, so i agree with this statement. It says you can choose to roll on these tables and make use the relics

Although honestly at this point I like the baal strike force detachment the best, even with 2 troops mandatory, i think the plus 1 to inititiative is the best rule given, the archangel detachment i think is a bit too constricting unless those are the units you want to go with

IN terms of fluff - do any Sisters survive!!! ?

 Mr Morden wrote:
IN terms of fluff - do any Sisters survive!!! ?

I have not had a chance to read any of the fluff

 Mr Morden wrote:
IN terms of fluff - do any Sisters survive!!! ?

Like the squats the tyranids eat them and they are no more

No longer rumor it is out, formation not in book for 3 storms was WD only. Insta kill mc relic bad to the bone.

 akwing00 wrote:

3- executioners hood- librarian only, unaffected by shadow of the warp

Wait. What? There's a relic specifically to counter Shadow of the Warp? Well, that right there is a giant crock of something. SitW already got slapped hard with 7th edition (since Psychic Tests aren't even Ld based any longer) but now they're telling us that the Blood Angels have a 'relic' - yes, an ancient priceless heirloom from the Heresy designed specifically to counter a unique trait of a species that wasn't encountered for millenia after the Heresy?

Damnit guys, Ward left the company already. You don't call him back in as a consultant!

Cards in White Dwarf is a good decision. But then that goes without saying, doesn't it.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 akwing00 wrote:

3- executioners hood- librarian only, unaffected by shadow of the warp

Wait. What? There's a relic specifically to counter Shadow of the Warp? Well, that right there is a giant crock of something. SitW already got slapped hard with 7th edition (since Psychic Tests aren't even Ld based any longer) but now they're telling us that the Blood Angels have a 'relic' - yes, an ancient priceless heirloom from the Heresy designed specifically to counter a unique trait of a species that wasn't encountered for millenia after the Heresy?

Damnit guys, Ward left the company already. You don't call him back in as a consultant!

The fluff is rather clear that the hood was constructed by the Librarius on the spot after Dante took down a neuroceptor. It's a relic because there's only one. Knee jerk overreaction much?

 GreyHamster wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 akwing00 wrote:

3- executioners hood- librarian only, unaffected by shadow of the warp

Wait. What? There's a relic specifically to counter Shadow of the Warp? Well, that right there is a giant crock of something. SitW already got slapped hard with 7th edition (since Psychic Tests aren't even Ld based any longer) but now they're telling us that the Blood Angels have a 'relic' - yes, an ancient priceless heirloom from the Heresy designed specifically to counter a unique trait of a species that wasn't encountered for millenia after the Heresy?

Damnit guys, Ward left the company already. You don't call him back in as a consultant!

The fluff is rather clear that the hood was constructed by the Librarius on the spot after Dante took down a neuroceptor. It's a relic because there's only one. Knee jerk overreaction much?

It's still kinda bullgak that it directly counters Shadow in the Warp though.

 Sidstyler wrote:


It's still kinda bullgak that it directly counters Shadow in the Warp though.

Well, then change the story when you play Shield of Baal, making it so the BAs never invent it. Easy.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 GreyHamster wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 akwing00 wrote:

3- executioners hood- librarian only, unaffected by shadow of the warp

Wait. What? There's a relic specifically to counter Shadow of the Warp? Well, that right there is a giant crock of something. SitW already got slapped hard with 7th edition (since Psychic Tests aren't even Ld based any longer) but now they're telling us that the Blood Angels have a 'relic' - yes, an ancient priceless heirloom from the Heresy designed specifically to counter a unique trait of a species that wasn't encountered for millenia after the Heresy?

Damnit guys, Ward left the company already. You don't call him back in as a consultant!

The fluff is rather clear that the hood was constructed by the Librarius on the spot after Dante took down a neuroceptor. It's a relic because there's only one. Knee jerk overreaction much?

It's still kinda bullgak that it directly counters Shadow in the Warp though.

This. You can state the 'fluff' all you like. Blood Angels are not Tyranid specialists by any means. So to have them automagically invent something to counter the Shadow in the Warp because oh noes, their shield worlds are being attacked! - The fething Ultramarines couldn't even pull this off and the centre of their beloved empire and homeworld of their chapter and all successors came under direct attack.

Indeed Tigurius has actually come into direct contact with the Hive Mind - but certainly doesn't know enough to build an item to directly counter it.

It is a pointless relic. It is aimed so very much at a single rule that has already been beat in the ribs with 7th edition and makes me wonder what the logic behind it was.

Seriously, the Blood Angels make things pretty and ornate. The Salamanders and Iron Hands are the ones who make them functional. And to be frank the Ultramarines are just as capable of making blinged up armour.

Complete bullgak indeed.

Still, what more do we expect from a 'story' that seems to be paying direct homage to the Wardian fluff of Necrons and Blood Angels allying?

Hey there protectors of humanity. We're only a cold, soulless race that loathes all living beings. Mind being friends with us against these living consumption critters? I mean, sure, we're Xenos, we've committed atrocities and we're sentient and therefore aware of what we have done...and you know, not like it's not your standard protocol to nuke a planet with two Xenos factions fighting from orbit so that no one but you wins....

Just going to throw this out there, even though it's unlikely. What if it's in anticipation of a FUTURE codex. Shadows is useless right now, but I could see it as a bubble of 'needs 5+ to harness a Warp Charge point'. And since Nids have that track record of getting a new codex each edition (I think. I wasn't around in 5th) this might hint at something coming later down the line.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
It is a pointless relic. It is aimed so very much at a single rule that has already been beat in the ribs with 7th edition and makes me wonder what the logic behind it was.

Well, clearly to make it easier for the Blood Angels to win, because that tells a better narrative. As the Tyranid player it's your job to spend hundreds of dollars collecting Tyranid models, just to throw at the Blood Angels player and let him have tons of fun killing them in droves and watching the bodies pile up, because you're effectively the NPC "bad guy". But the models and dice don't move themselves, so...

 Sidstyler wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
It is a pointless relic. It is aimed so very much at a single rule that has already been beat in the ribs with 7th edition and makes me wonder what the logic behind it was.

Well, clearly to make it easier for the Blood Angels to win, because that tells a better narrative. As the Tyranid player it's your job to spend hundreds of dollars collecting Tyranid models, just to throw at the Blood Angels player and let him have tons of fun killing them in droves and watching the bodies pile up, because you're effectively the NPC "bad guy". But the models and dice don't move themselves, so...

Yeah, because Tyranids, a race of psychically linked BUGS is the most original idea to appear in a Sci-Fi setting since forever.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Saves on space though eh?

I have a few GW books on my iPad mini, it does save space, but it's just not the same to me. I can handle it though, and there is a benefit I've heard for having iBooks, if there are updates or changes that need to be made the changes are added to your digital book.

Anyway, I'm very interested in both of the Baal Campaign books, however right now $120 and change for two books... Soft cover at that. Can anyone who owns them give us a rating on content and such please? I've read a little and they seem excellent.

If you search on youtube for "Rob Baer" (the spikey bits guy), he has a video review where he goes over some details. I can't say I've ever seen him actually dislike anything as he seems to be the eternal optimist (if someone gave him a pile of fresh doggy poop to review he'd likely say that the consistency was nice and soft and it was also pleasantly warm) so take the actual review with a grain of salt.

I picked mine up this morning, managed to get the one copy they allotted to my FLGS. But I have family in town, haven't had a chance to look at much except scan the formations in the rulebook. I did the same with Leviathan. The quality of the book sets is undeniable, especially the hardback. They do tend to rely more heavily on composed model shots vs actual artwork, as can be seen in most of their other publications as of late. I've read a little of the fluff from Leviathan, and am really enjoying it. If you are already a hard core fan of the Blood Angels, or one of the other factions showcased I'd say it's worth it. For me, I'm still not sure it was quite worth the $150 plus tax I paid for both...even though I really like them a lot. I'd say the hardback versions are worth $50, maybe $60 each.

Ok, thanks for that, I'll go over and watch his video.

Can anyone give a small idea of what the fluff with Sisters is in the second Shield of Baal book is? Apparently there are still a few Sisters in this book, but I cannot expect them to not frown upon an alliance with Necrons.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Can anyone give a small idea of what the fluff with Sisters is in the second Shield of Baal book is? Apparently there are still a few Sisters in this book, but I cannot expect them to not frown upon an alliance with Necrons.

Hopefully picking mine up later so will be able to confirm but if anyone else has the info please share

 Frankenberry wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
It is a pointless relic. It is aimed so very much at a single rule that has already been beat in the ribs with 7th edition and makes me wonder what the logic behind it was.

Well, clearly to make it easier for the Blood Angels to win, because that tells a better narrative. As the Tyranid player it's your job to spend hundreds of dollars collecting Tyranid models, just to throw at the Blood Angels player and let him have tons of fun killing them in droves and watching the bodies pile up, because you're effectively the NPC "bad guy". But the models and dice don't move themselves, so...

Yeah, because Tyranids, a race of psychically linked BUGS is the most original idea to appear in a Sci-Fi setting since forever.

...the feth? How does that have anything at all to do with my post? Who said anything about originality?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Can anyone give a small idea of what the fluff with Sisters is in the second Shield of Baal book is? Apparently there are still a few Sisters in this book, but I cannot expect them to not frown upon an alliance with Necrons.

Well luckily for the Blood Angels the Flesh Tearers are nearby to take care of that little problem before the Inquisition hears about it. *cough*

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Just going to throw this out there, even though it's unlikely. What if it's in anticipation of a FUTURE codex. Shadows is useless right now, but I could see it as a bubble of 'needs 5+ to harness a Warp Charge point'. And since Nids have that track record of getting a new codex each edition (I think. I wasn't around in 5th) this might hint at something coming later down the line.

You'd have thought we'd have gotten a new codex already if that was the case.

But the rumour mill is buzzing about Necrons so I think Tyranids basically got a bunch of stand ins for at least 6-8 months.

And even if it is in case SitW does change? Doesn't make sense for one army to get a relic that completely negates it. Seriously, imagine if Tyranids got an item that negated a 24" bubble of ATSKNF. SM players everywhere would be screaming bloody murder - how dare we get an item that seemed to specifically negate a special rule that was pretty unique to their army.

Or, you know, a 24" bubble that negated AM orders...or AS faith powers....or the Daemon special rule.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Just going to throw this out there, even though it's unlikely. What if it's in anticipation of a FUTURE codex. Shadows is useless right now, but I could see it as a bubble of 'needs 5+ to harness a Warp Charge point'. And since Nids have that track record of getting a new codex each edition (I think. I wasn't around in 5th) this might hint at something coming later down the line.

You'd have thought we'd have gotten a new codex already if that was the case.

But the rumour mill is buzzing about Necrons so I think Tyranids basically got a bunch of stand ins for at least 6-8 months.

And even if it is in case SitW does change? Doesn't make sense for one army to get a relic that completely negates it. Seriously, imagine if Tyranids got an item that negated a 24" bubble of ATSKNF. SM players everywhere would be screaming bloody murder - how dare we get an item that seemed to specifically negate a special rule that was pretty unique to their army.

Or, you know, a 24" bubble that negated AM orders...or AS faith powers....or the Daemon special rule.

Oh, you mean like Supporting Fire? Or, you know, Shadow in the Warp negatively affecting psykers in the first place?

Again, because Tyranids are the player-controlled NPC race. You aren't playing a "real" army like the glorious SPEHSS MAHREENS, you aren't supposed to form any kind of personal attachment to the background or the models that you built and lovingly painted, and you most definitely aren't supposed to win any games. Your "job" is to roll pointless dice and pull models off the table as the SPEHSS MAHREEN player makes pew-pew noises with childlike excitement and forms images in his head of the super original narrative of small, elite-trained squads of space soldiers hunting and killing biomechanical alien horrors that stalk the shadows in far greater numbers.

Wait, I've seen that movie...nah, this idea is way more original, because the space soldiers wear these suits of powered armor, too, and have ridiculously powerful infantry-sized weaponry. Wait, I think that might have been in a book...uh...well these ones also traverse the stars in space ships that have to be piloted by these weird "navigators" and they worship a God Emperor-wait, that was a series of books and got made into a couple movies...okay, these guys are totes like warrior monks, too, and they all wear bright colors. So HA! Original. And the whole thing takes place in a bleak, dystopian future where mankind is ruled by a corrupt bureaucracy and ordinary people live miserable lives and there's constant conflict, death, and hardship.

Originality.

DarkStarSabre wrote:SM players everywhere would be screaming bloody murder - how dare we get an item that seemed to specifically negate a special rule that was pretty unique to their army.

I would certainly hope no one bitches about a relic like that, considering how often you see people complain about how ATSKNF is overrated or "doesn't matter" anyway.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
And even if it is in case SitW does change? Doesn't make sense for one army to get a relic that completely negates it. Seriously, imagine if Tyranids got an item that negated a 24" bubble of ATSKNF. SM players everywhere would be screaming bloody murder - how dare we get an item that seemed to specifically negate a special rule that was pretty unique to their army.

Or, you know, a 24" bubble that negated AM orders...or AS faith powers....or the Daemon special rule.

The difference is this:
A Relic like that would be an auto-take for Tyranids because you have a gigantic chance of facing Space Marines.
Do you really think anyone is going to take this anti-Tyranid Relic for the 1 in 100 chance you'll face Tyranids?

 Sidstyler wrote:
Again, because Tyranids are the player-controlled NPC race. You aren't playing a "real" army like the glorious SPEHSS MAHREENS, you aren't supposed to form any kind of personal attachment to the background or the models that you built and lovingly painted, and you most definitely aren't supposed to win any games. Your "job" is to roll pointless dice and pull models off the table as the SPEHSS MAHREEN player makes pew-pew noises with childlike excitement and forms images in his head of the super original narrative of small, elite-trained squads of space soldiers hunting and killing biomechanical alien horrors that stalk the shadows in far greater numbers.

Wait, I've seen that movie...nah, this idea is way more original, because the space soldiers wear these suits of powered armor, too, and have ridiculously powerful infantry-sized weaponry. Wait, I think that might have been in a book...uh...well these ones also traverse the stars in space ships that have to be piloted by these weird "navigators" and they worship a God Emperor-wait, that was a series of books and got made into a couple movies...okay, these guys are totes like warrior monks, too, and they all wear bright colors. So HA! Original. And the whole thing takes place in a bleak, dystopian future where mankind is ruled by a corrupt bureaucracy and ordinary people live miserable lives and there's constant conflict, death, and hardship.

Originality.

Think we get it now, mate

Just wanted to reiterate that I wasn't the one who started going on about originality. But since it came up...

Anyway...someone please tell me the Sisters didn't get chopped up by supposedly loyalist Flesh Tearers. Again. I was just joking before.

Kangodo wrote:
Do you really think anyone is going to take this anti-Tyranid Relic for the 1 in 100 chance you'll face Tyranids?

Well, considering this is meant to be played as a campaign where you know you have a 100% chance of facing lots of Tyranids...maybe?

 Sidstyler wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:SM players everywhere would be screaming bloody murder - how dare we get an item that seemed to specifically negate a special rule that was pretty unique to their army.

I would certainly hope no one bitches about a relic like that, considering how often you see people complain about how ATSKNF is overrated or "doesn't matter" anyway.

I'm also a Chaos player. You know why I love Cypher (well, apart from the double tapping, full BS overwatch shots with a plasma pistol)? ATSNKF. The fact it is given to a unit the character joins is hilarious. Plant him in a blob of Chosen or Chaos Terminators and you can laugh all day long. Hey, since Infiltrate works that way....

Give me ten minutes, I need to go make a list with outflanking combi-plasma Chaos Terminators and Cypher.

But to address another quote.

The difference is this:
A Relic like that would be an auto-take for Tyranids because you have a gigantic chance of facing Space Marines.
Do you really think anyone is going to take this anti-Tyranid Relic for the 1 in 100 chance you'll face Tyranids?

For a while it was 'nids cropping up in droves in tournaments. Necrons have had their glory days, as have Orks, as have Dark Eldar. A 'gigantic chance of facing Space Marines'. Really? It all very much depends on what the current Flavor of the Month is for the meta - Space Marines are not always guaranteed. But the moment they start making items like this? That's a very, very bad sign.

Because the moment 'nids crop up in the meta again? (Say they redo SitW and it becomes Holy feth Balls Amazing!) Then you have given one army a guaranteed way to counter that. Which means that diversity will get chucked out the window and the game starts becoming Paper, Scissors, Rock. Army X beats Army Y, Army Y beats Army Z. And that is a very, very toxic approach to a gaming system and one that will never turn out well.

Oh, you mean like Supporting Fire? Or, you know, Shadow in the Warp negatively affecting psykers in the first place?

AlmightyWalrus - Supporting Fire is, sadly part of the Taudar problem. That brief glitch in 6th edition where Codex Creep cropped up (Tau, Eldar) before promptly being smacked right back down in all following codexes. It's like people using Wraithknights as comparisons for their Monstrous Creatures. Unfortunately those two books stand out because of the simple fact that someone probably lost the plot in terms of balanced design before being brought into an office and told off over it once the books were published.

With regards to SitW affecting Psykers? Well, to be perfectly blunt that was a general overall thing. It didn't target an army's special rules in particular.

Still, may as well just wait to see what comes next at this rate. The fact that Blood Angels literally became a codex that had to be patched up to be 'good' through formations is painful. It's what happened with Tyranids in the first place - codex comes out, everyone pans it. DLC comes out (ebooks, supplements, White Dwarf formations) and suddenly it becomes amazing.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Just wanted to reiterate that I wasn't the one who started going on about originality. But since it came up...

Anyway...someone please tell me the Sisters didn't get chopped up by supposedly loyalist Flesh Tearers. Again. I was just joking before.

No they are not -

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
It is a pointless relic. It is aimed so very much at a single rule that has already been beat in the ribs with 7th edition and makes me wonder what the logic behind it was.

Well, clearly to make it easier for the Blood Angels to win, because that tells a better narrative. As the Tyranid player it's your job to spend hundreds of dollars collecting Tyranid models, just to throw at the Blood Angels player and let him have tons of fun killing them in droves and watching the bodies pile up, because you're effectively the NPC "bad guy". But the models and dice don't move themselves, so...

Yeah, because Tyranids, a race of psychically linked BUGS is the most original idea to appear in a Sci-Fi setting since forever.

...the feth? How does that have anything at all to do with my post? Who said anything about originality?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Can anyone give a small idea of what the fluff with Sisters is in the second Shield of Baal book is? Apparently there are still a few Sisters in this book, but I cannot expect them to not frown upon an alliance with Necrons.

Well luckily for the Blood Angels the Flesh Tearers are nearby to take care of that little problem before the Inquisition hears about it. *cough*

Now that I look back on this, I really don't know what I as getting at, apologies.

It's fine. That was kinda funny really, I was legitimately confused.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Just wanted to reiterate that I wasn't the one who started going on about originality. But since it came up...

Anyway...someone please tell me the Sisters didn't get chopped up by supposedly loyalist Flesh Tearers. Again. I was just joking before.

No they are not -

Spoiler:

Quite a few escape on transport and of those on planet some at least surive to the end of the 2nd book fighting alongside the Flesh Tearers and see the Tryanids erased from the world they protect

Ah you got to read it before i read the thread. Pretty pleased with the end for sisters:

Apparently there is a new boxed set coming out for Blood Angels called the Sanguine Strike Force. It contains the following:

1x Blood Angels Terminator Librarian
5x Blood Angels Assault Terminators
1x Furioso Dreadnought
1x Stormraven Gunship

It is supposed to cost about 20% less than retail, which is a pretty awesome deal, all in all. The funny thing is, you can run this little formation all self contained. The Termies and Librarian ride inside the Stormraven and the Furioso rides in the rig in the back. This set combines quite well with Strike Force Deathstorm too. Runs you a little under 1500 pts. That is pretty cool. It is too bad I already have what I am going to run for BA locked up, otherwise I would probably have bought this.

Has anybody got this book yet? GW said they shipped mine a week ago but still no sign.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Apparently there is a new boxed set coming out for Blood Angels called the Sanguine Strike Force. It contains the following:

1x Blood Angels Terminator Librarian
5x Blood Angels Assault Terminators
1x Furioso Dreadnought
1x Stormraven Gunship

It is supposed to cost about 20% less than retail, which is a pretty awesome deal, all in all. The funny thing is, you can run this little formation all self contained. The Termies and Librarian ride inside the Stormraven and the Furioso rides in the rig in the back. This set combines quite well with Strike Force Deathstorm too. Runs you a little under 1500 pts. That is pretty cool. It is too bad I already have what I am going to run for BA locked up, otherwise I would probably have bought this.

Wow! That would be a pretty awesome (useful) mix. I don't have the new librarian yet (I use Calistarius from SH), and I only have 2 stormravens (I want 3). I have enough Dreadnoughts, but I wouldn't mind building it as a Dreadnought librarian, and hell, I only have like, 100 unpainted terminators, so what's 5 more

I only have 1 box of the cool new BA ones, though, so I could live with it.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Has anybody got this book yet? GW said they shipped mine a week ago but still no sign.

I picked it up, but frankly, between squeezing in a gaming night with a bunch of friends, painting, and all the holiday stuff, I haven't even opened the shrink wrap. I hope it's good -- I paid $75 CAD for it, and it's two softcovers that are quite thin.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Has anybody got this book yet? GW said they shipped mine a week ago but still no sign.

Picked it up a week ago from my FLGS. They got it in late due to an apparent order mix up.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Just wanted to reiterate that I wasn't the one who started going on about originality. But since it came up...

Anyway...someone please tell me the Sisters didn't get chopped up by supposedly loyalist Flesh Tearers. Again. I was just joking before.

No they are not -

Spoiler:

Quite a few escape on transport and of those on planet some at least surive to the end of the 2nd book fighting alongside the Flesh Tearers and see the Tryanids erased from the world they protect

Ah you got to read it before i read the thread. Pretty pleased with the end for sisters:

Spoiler:

it seem quite a lot got through it. Don't forget, from our point of view:
Quite a large part of the Sisters force got on the leaving transports, end of book 1. This "escape fleet" in Book two seems to make it: It looks like they left no Void-Capable ships behind, which means the ones that could, Warped away. These "left-overs" (i'm sure Sisters would have checked Void-capability of their Ships) are then collected by a BA force.
THEN the ones left on-planet get "rescued", where they're down to about 90%+ Losses it seems. And escape with their Flesh Tearers pals

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Apparently there is a new boxed set coming out for Blood Angels called the Sanguine Strike Force. It contains the following:

1x Blood Angels Terminator Librarian
5x Blood Angels Assault Terminators
1x Furioso Dreadnought
1x Stormraven Gunship

It is supposed to cost about 20% less than retail, which is a pretty awesome deal, all in all. The funny thing is, you can run this little formation all self contained. The Termies and Librarian ride inside the Stormraven and the Furioso rides in the rig in the back. This set combines quite well with Strike Force Deathstorm too. Runs you a little under 1500 pts. That is pretty cool. It is too bad I already have what I am going to run for BA locked up, otherwise I would probably have bought this.

Not sure if it's funny that it can be used as a formation.. Its entirely predictable it can be used as such given how GW does things in 7th Ed :p

Not a bad boxset tho if you want those units.

 Kirasu wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Apparently there is a new boxed set coming out for Blood Angels called the Sanguine Strike Force. It contains the following:

1x Blood Angels Terminator Librarian
5x Blood Angels Assault Terminators
1x Furioso Dreadnought
1x Stormraven Gunship

It is supposed to cost about 20% less than retail, which is a pretty awesome deal, all in all. The funny thing is, you can run this little formation all self contained. The Termies and Librarian ride inside the Stormraven and the Furioso rides in the rig in the back. This set combines quite well with Strike Force Deathstorm too. Runs you a little under 1500 pts. That is pretty cool. It is too bad I already have what I am going to run for BA locked up, otherwise I would probably have bought this.

Not sure if it's funny that it can be used as a formation.. Its entirely predictable it can be used as such given how GW does things in 7th Ed :p

Not a bad boxset tho if you want those units.

It would almost be surprising to have a box set, where all of the models are useful

It would have to be expensive though. In Canadian dollars, Stormraven is $100, Assault Terminators are $70. Librarian is probably $30-ish and Furioso is $50-ish. That's $250 MSRP, and even with 20% cheaper, it would be $200 -- which puts it way over the dark vengeance expansion (or at least, one faction of it).

Talys wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Apparently there is a new boxed set coming out for Blood Angels called the Sanguine Strike Force. It contains the following:

1x Blood Angels Terminator Librarian
5x Blood Angels Assault Terminators
1x Furioso Dreadnought
1x Stormraven Gunship

It is supposed to cost about 20% less than retail, which is a pretty awesome deal, all in all. The funny thing is, you can run this little formation all self contained. The Termies and Librarian ride inside the Stormraven and the Furioso rides in the rig in the back. This set combines quite well with Strike Force Deathstorm too. Runs you a little under 1500 pts. That is pretty cool. It is too bad I already have what I am going to run for BA locked up, otherwise I would probably have bought this.

Not sure if it's funny that it can be used as a formation.. Its entirely predictable it can be used as such given how GW does things in 7th Ed :p

Not a bad boxset tho if you want those units.

It would almost be surprising to have a box set, where all of the models are useful

It would have to be expensive though. In Canadian dollars, Stormraven is $100, Assault Terminators are $70. Librarian is probably $30-ish and Furioso is $50-ish. That's $250 MSRP, and even with 20% cheaper, it would be $200 -- which puts it way over the dark vengeance expansion (or at least, one faction of it).

At first I was like "Dude, wherever you buy you stuff from is screwing you over hardcore with those prices..." then I looked at the flag and was like "Dude, wherever you buy you stuff from is screwing you over hardcore with those prices!" In USD, the boxed set will run around $175, which is a pretty good deal, IMO.

As it turns out I'm not crazy and my copy of Shield of Baal: Exterminatus was lost in transit. Now, say what you want about GW (and we all know I do), but their customer service is second to none.

1. They're express shipping the softback to me.
2. They're refunding the full cost of the hardback.
3. They're sending me a voucher for the full cost of the hardback.

That's above and beyond. I'm going to get some Venomthropes!

The Sanguine Strike Force is $175 USD, 210 CAD, per White Dwarf.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As it turns out I'm not crazy and my copy of Shield of Baal: Exterminatus was lost in transit. Now, say what you want about GW (and we all know I do), but their customer service is second to none.

1. They're express shipping the softback to me.
2. They're refunding the full cost of the hardback.
3. They're sending me a voucher for the full cost of the hardback.

That's above and beyond. I'm going to get some Venomthropes!

Sad you didn;t get the hardback - the softback is very much inferior in quality terms - I had to settle for the softback of book one and doubt I will be getting any more of these packs unless I can get the hardback (which I did for bk2)

Is it inferior quality because of how it's made or just because it's so damned expensive for a friggin' soft-back?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is it inferior quality because of how it's made or just because it's so damned expensive for a friggin' soft-back?

Sadly both :(

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As it turns out I'm not crazy and my copy of Shield of Baal: Exterminatus was lost in transit. Now, say what you want about GW (and we all know I do), but their customer service is second to none.

1. They're express shipping the softback to me.
2. They're refunding the full cost of the hardback.
3. They're sending me a voucher for the full cost of the hardback.

That's above and beyond. I'm going to get some Venomthropes!

Wait, did you get the refund, a copy of the softcover, AND cash to spend at their store? So basically...you got the book three times? Because that is awesome. Makes me want to actually buy something from them.

I would have been happy with a refund of the difference between the hard- and softback versions, so the full refund is them just being nice. It's the voucher on top of all that that's the "above and beyond" bit that impresses me so much.

Wow. Very reasonable.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would have been happy with a refund of the difference between the hard- and softback versions, so the full refund is them just being nice. It's the voucher on top of all that that's the "above and beyond" bit that impresses me so much.

That is quite nice of them. I'm guessing though that they have access to your purchase history and noticed as well that you're a consistently big spender with them on their limited time only products and that you missed a particularly important purchasing holiday due to no fault of your own. I don't think they'd be so incredibly generous for joe shmo buying something in the middle of the year. What will be interesting is if the original package does eventually arrive and if they want you to send it back (doubtful).

Are we expecting another wave for BA?

I was in my local GW today picking up the new BA terminators, I asked if Dante was in stock (since he's awesome now) and the manager said something along the lines of 'he's not been done yet' and told me to check out the pre-releases tonight. I asked if it was more BA and he just told me to check the website tonight.

Have we heard anything or are staff just promoting the pre-releases now?

D

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would have been happy with a refund of the difference between the hard- and softback versions, so the full refund is them just being nice. It's the voucher on top of all that that's the "above and beyond" bit that impresses me so much.

That is quite nice of them. I'm guessing though that they have access to your purchase history and noticed as well that you're a consistently big spender with them on their limited time only products and that you missed a particularly important purchasing holiday due to no fault of your own. I don't think they'd be so incredibly generous for joe shmo buying something in the middle of the year. What will be interesting is if the original package does eventually arrive and if they want you to send it back (doubtful).

Actually that's par for the course for them. I'm lucky if I average $100 a year direct from them and have had them do the same thing for me. They sent two authorizations to my credit card for an order (essentiat trying to charge me twice for it). In the end, they canceled one of the authorizations, sent me a voucher for the amount, and then sent me another voucher for the inconvienence. So I got $180 in models/credit for $60 actually spent.

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would have been happy with a refund of the difference between the hard- and softback versions, so the full refund is them just being nice. It's the voucher on top of all that that's the "above and beyond" bit that impresses me so much.

That is quite nice of them. I'm guessing though that they have access to your purchase history and noticed as well that you're a consistently big spender with them on their limited time only products and that you missed a particularly important purchasing holiday due to no fault of your own. I don't think they'd be so incredibly generous for joe shmo buying something in the middle of the year. What will be interesting is if the original package does eventually arrive and if they want you to send it back (doubtful).

Nope, all the previous purchase records were wiped when the previous website was ditched and updated, GW customer services are second to none.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would have been happy with a refund of the difference between the hard- and softback versions, so the full refund is them just being nice. It's the voucher on top of all that that's the "above and beyond" bit that impresses me so much.

I'd not worry about the quality of the softback. There isn't a thing wrong with it

Ended up getting a Cthulufex and a box of Venomthropes. So $40-ish spent for $350. Not bad.

 Rayvon wrote:
Nope, all the previous purchase records were wiped when the previous website was ditched and updated, GW customer services are second to none.

When I pay 9 euro per model, they have the resources to have ridiculous "customer service".
You are confusing 'quality' with 'bribing' and that's not a good approach for a company.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ended up getting a Cthulufex and a box of Venomthropes. So $40-ish spent for $350. Not bad.

I don't know how often you play with your Tyranids anymore, but the Toxicrene is scary to fight against.


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Kangodo wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Nope, all the previous purchase records were wiped when the previous website was ditched and updated, GW customer services are second to none.

When I pay 9 euro per model, they have the resources to have ridiculous "customer service".
You are confusing 'quality' with 'bribing' and that's not a good approach for a company.

And you're confusing "bribing" with "making amends".

Making amends is when they fix the mistake and give a little compensation.
Giving you 350 dollar for 40 is totally over the top and is bribing people to worship their CS when they don't actually do something special.

So, that makes this thread pretty done.

Supposedly there is more blood angel stuff coming that isn't just the army box

Kangodo wrote:
Making amends is when they fix the mistake and give a little compensation.
Giving you 350 dollar for 40 is totally over the top and is bribing people to worship their CS when they don't actually do something special.

They provided excellent customer service in both the circumstances mentioned.
If you don't feel the product has quality to make it worth the money then don't make a purchase. These people did, and received excellent support from GW when their order went awry as some inevitably do in any industry.

It's amazing, given the number of completely legitimate things to complain about GW that are available, how people still find opportunities to sound like embittered lunatics.

Motograter wrote:
Supposedly there is more blood angel stuff coming that isn't just the army box

The fact that almost all of the characters are out of stock and have been since November makes me wonder if they are going to redo any of them. Unlikely since the codex doesn't have any new character models besides the Librarian and Sanguinary Priest. We will have to see.

Uhm.. I could actually train a monkey to take a handful of money and throw it when someone walks into a shop.
That doesn't make it excellent or of high quality.
If your pharmacist would give you $10.000 every time he fills a wrong prescription, would that be excellent customer service?
There are dozen of articles about good quality customer service, none of them mentions throwing money at complaints.

Customer Service is more about how they help you than what they do to help.
-Do we have a forum to communicate with them? No.
-Are they active on Social Media? No.
-Do they give official responses to questions in a reasonable time? Some FAQs are 8 months old and there are still open issues.
This are three examples to which the answer is 'Nope.'; all three are important for a good Customer Service.

I'm not complaining about their Customer Service, not more than anyone else.
All I am doing is explaining why you shouldn't praise them for handing out free cheques, that money would be better spent on any of those three points.


Edit: I might turn this into a thread in General, just to keep this on-topic

I'll throw in my two cents about GW Customer Service regarding Exterminatus as well. Because I play 'Nids and my roommate started a Blood Angels army just before they got announced for the campaign we decided to pick up all the books and the box set. Everything went smoothly until Exterminatus. When my order came in last week I opened it to find another hardback copy of Leviathan instead. I phoned GW Customer Service and the guy there was fantastic. He told me they had a couple left in the warehouse and would get it out to me quickly. And he told me to keep the extra copy of Leviathan. They must have paid for express shipping because the book from the original order took almost a week to reach me while the replacement took just a couple of days. And now I have a sealed limited edition hardback Leviathan that will end up on eBay since I have no need for another. GW Customer Service can't be beat.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NL/Sanguine-Strike-Company

Seems like a fine deal.
Normal: 173 euro
Box-set: 140 euro

So you almost get a Furioso for free.
Too bad it doesn't contain any troops.
And I already own a Librarian from the Space Hulk-set.

Kangodo wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NL/Sanguine-Strike-Company

Seems like a fine deal.
Normal: 173 euro
Box-set: 140 euro

So you almost get a Furioso for free.
Too bad it doesn't contain any troops.
And I already own a Librarian from the Space Hulk-set.

It is a great deal. I would have bought this instead of Deathstorm, to be honest. Assault Terminators trump Tactical Terminators any day.

Just noticed every last BA character model (Seth excluded) is out of stock on the GW site. Tried reading back a bit but didn't find any solid rumors. Anyone heard anything new recently?

 tekno000 wrote:
Just noticed every last BA character model (Seth excluded) is out of stock on the GW site. Tried reading back a bit but didn't find any solid rumors. Anyone heard anything new recently?

more than likely a result of the new codex hitting, but one can dream.

They are mostly in stock in the UK.

I didn't see him in the single item pre-order. It's a set as someone already mentioned. Everything seems to be normal right now as far as characters go.