adamsouza wrote: DId anyone else notice the not humanoid, 3 legged, terminator in the Super Bowl ad for Genisys ?
I've seen the ad on the Facebook page that's billed as the 'Big Game Spot' but didn't see any odd looking terminators? Can you get a screen shot and post it here?
Comments on Facebook from Alessio
Alessio Cavatore: vehicles (for both sides) are in the rules, however we are waiting to gauge the kind of reaction the game is going to have before we consider (and can afford) making expensive kits... no crowdfunding = baby steps!
Alessio Cavatore: The rules are getting there and will be finalised in a month or so...
i am planning to make some little videos to go into details of the rules...
adamsouza wrote: It would be awesome if we could get them in the game then.
Well, as previously reported -
Q: What scale is it going to be? Skirmish I assume?
AC: Skirmish indeed. Single models moving individually, not in units.
At least in Year 1... there are three films planned...
And if the film/game go well... we'll probably go mass battle in Year 2! No crowdfunding = baby steps!
As it's traditionally funded, we'll all have to buy lots and lots of endoskeleton kits so justify making large scale plastics
speculation: Warlord is closely tied with Italeri for several recent Bolt Action releases in 28mm 1/56 scale (Sherman, Panther, Puma, Cromwell, Tiger), and with Warlord as distributor, perhaps River Horse could also contract Italeri to manufacture 1/56 scale Terminator: Genisys kits!
Barzam wrote: It should also be noted, the ground HK is HUGE.
One review on amazon says it is
from front tread to rear tread is just short of 12 an a quarter inch.Now the width from front tread cover to front tread cover is 9 inches. Height from bottom tread to the top of the head is roughly 8, and a half inches tall.
FYI Pegasus Hobbies is releasing 1/32 Endoskeletons in April 2015.
So just in case one wants to play 1/32 Future War stuff, there will be models available (and Last Army/resistance dudes can probably be cobbled together using 1/32 modern infantry and so forth)
I am wondering why Pegasus is just showing artwork or the box and not the actual pics of the mini. If there is a pic I don't see it. Seems pretty expensive to buy something and not see the actual product.
Davor wrote: I am wondering why Pegasus is just showing artwork or the box and not the actual pics of the mini. If there is a pic I don't see it. Seems pretty expensive to buy something and not see the actual product.
Thanks for posting. Something must have went wrong. I only had 3 tabs, no images tab. Now I see 4 tabs. I wonder what screwed up.
Those are really nice.
*edit* went back. Only one of the four has pics. The one with the fighter jet has no pics, at least for me. All I see is 3 tabs. But man that tank is nice, I can just imagine what the fighters would be like.
Davor wrote: I am wondering why Pegasus is just showing artwork or the box and not the actual pics of the mini. If there is a pic I don't see it. Seems pretty expensive to buy something and not see the actual product.
I have one of the toy Flyer that came with and Endoskeleton. I found it at a discout stor for like $15. I have been using it as my "Count-As-Stormraven-Valk for year. If you can find one it is just about the right scale for 28mm
Anpu42 wrote: I have one of the toy Flyer that came with and Endoskeleton. I found it at a discout stor for like $15. I have been using it as my "Count-As-Stormraven-Valk for year. If you can find one it is just about the right scale for 28mm
They are actually pretty hard to find these days for less than $30.
Toys R Us had them for the longest time for $30. When they discounted them to $15 they flew off the shelves. You can still find them on Ebay, but usually in the $30+ range.
I know I spend a fortune on 40K, but I couldn't get myself to spend that much for a vehicle I would use as proxy at best.
The release of this game increases the possible utility of said item.
Anpu42 wrote: I have one of the toy Flyer that came with and Endoskeleton. I found it at a discout stor for like $15. I have been using it as my "Count-As-Stormraven-Valk for year. If you can find one it is just about the right scale for 28mm
They are actually pretty hard to find these days for less than $30.
Toys R Us had them for the longest time for $30. When they discounted them to $15 they flew off the shelves. You can still find them on Ebay, but usually in the $30+ range.
I know I spend a fortune on 40K, but I couldn't get myself to spend that much for a vehicle I would use as proxy at best.
The release of this game increases the possible utility of said item.
I got lucky, I did see one at a swap-meet, but it was missing one of the engines and the guy $10 for it.
So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.
Silence infidel!! You are not allowed to question the logic of the franchise or movies, under pain of death.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.
They do.
However, Endoskeletons are the framework for an organic outer layer in the creation of infiltration units. You only see them fighting in the iconic battle scenes because they are rushed off the factory line and thrown into battle as a last ditch effort to defend Skynet.
If skynet was created because a humanoid terminator went back in time
and it's technology/programing were plunderd
it's quite likely the humanoid shape of the terminators is built in to said programming (see the stupid human torsos on tracks as a good example where they human form is used even though a turreted tank would work a lot better)
it's quite likely the humanoid shape of the terminators is built in to said programming (see the stupid human torsos on tracks as a good example where they human form is used even though a turreted tank would work a lot better)
Doubtful, by Cameron's design notes for the Ground HK Tank/Recognizer was that it was purpose built for urban combat: large, wide tracks to spread it's weight so it doesn't collapse into sewers as well as giving it the ability to easily traverse over concrete rubble; the rotating rapid fire plasma cannons at an elevated height to attack resistance nests from above (less cover when you shoot from above ruined walls, etc).
Aerial HK and HK-bombers do not have humanoid shapes, and the endoskeletons were purpose-built as infiltrator units.
Actually, the first terminator units in a humanoid shape would have NEVER passed for human. T-20's were basically maintenance bots reprogrammed for combat (although rather lackluster at it). They were used to push humans away from vital areas in the time right after Judgement Day. Basically, they needed something that could walk into areas that remote tanks and T-1 units could not reach.
T-70's were Cyberdyne proof-of-concept terminators that Skynet kept around (and possibly in minor production) before more advanced models could be produced.
T-400's were mass-produced junk piles that were simply made to be overwhelming and be bullet catchers. They were so loud you could HEAR them coming. NOT passable as human at all.
T-500's Basically looked like 1970's Cylon androids. Not able to pass for human.
T-600's were the size of a large human male, but could only pass for human from a distance, and only if somewhat new.
T-700's were basically low-end T-800's. almost identical design, just with lower grade materials, weapons, ect. to make them faster produce. Technically you can swap parts between a 700 and 800 if you need to.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.
Silence infidel!! You are not allowed to question the logic of the franchise or movies, under pain of death.
As Judgedoug pointed out, In the Cameronverse, Skynet only made terminators to infiltrate, and we only saw them fleshless in combat because Skynet was so desperate.
Terminator 3 and Salvationn gave us the ridiculous robot army.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.
They do.
However, Endoskeletons are the framework for an organic outer layer in the creation of infiltration units. You only see them fighting in the iconic battle scenes because they are rushed off the factory line and thrown into battle as a last ditch effort to defend Skynet.
Exactly my point. Terminators with gun-arms make no sense in this context. Was Skynet going to cover the gun-arm in flesh? Who would that fool?
it's quite likely the humanoid shape of the terminators is built in to said programming (see the stupid human torsos on tracks as a good example where they human form is used even though a turreted tank would work a lot better)
Looking at the model, it seems like tracked HKs have weapons on their head turrets. The arm sponsons hang over the edge so they can shoot down at any vermin trying to reach the treads. They are definitely not designed to fight conventional armor, and the design doesn't scream practicality, but as a mobile human-exterminating machine it isn't too bad. It definitely looks more like farm equipment than a battle tank, but Skynet seems to have nuked the armed forces out of the way, so why not? I assume most of the actual hunting and killing is done by the aerial units.
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cuda1179 wrote: Actually, the first terminator units in a humanoid shape would have NEVER passed for human. T-20's were basically maintenance bots reprogrammed for combat (although rather lackluster at it). They were used to push humans away from vital areas in the time right after Judgement Day. Basically, they needed something that could walk into areas that remote tanks and T-1 units could not reach.
T-70's were Cyberdyne proof-of-concept terminators that Skynet kept around (and possibly in minor production) before more advanced models could be produced.
T-400's were mass-produced junk piles that were simply made to be overwhelming and be bullet catchers. They were so loud you could HEAR them coming. NOT passable as human at all.
T-500's Basically looked like 1970's Cylon androids. Not able to pass for human.
T-600's were the size of a large human male, but could only pass for human from a distance, and only if somewhat new.
T-700's were basically low-end T-800's. almost identical design, just with lower grade materials, weapons, ect. to make them faster produce. Technically you can swap parts between a 700 and 800 if you need to.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.
Silence infidel!! You are not allowed to question the logic of the franchise or movies, under pain of death.
As Judgedoug pointed out, In the Cameronverse, Skynet only made terminators to infiltrate, and we only saw them fleshless in combat because Skynet was so desperate.
Terminator 3 and Salvationn gave us the ridiculous robot army.
Rule of cool, I guess. The endoskeletons are much like the Alien xenomorph. It's terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. I was scared out of my mind when I saw The Terminator for the first time as a young lad. You see one full endoskeleton in The Terminator, much like one xeno in Alien.
By T3, everyone knew endos by heart, like Alien xenos, so no more scare factor. So show a pile of them on screen! how cool!
Much of the series (70, 600-800) are Cameronverse, earlier models being ambush units (look like humans, but easy to spot - rubber skin, as Kyle Reese points out in The Terminator) with the series 800 being actual infiltrators - the flashback/future scene in The Terminator demonstrating their immense effectiveness at that role.
So I really appreciated Salvation's attempt to show the 600, rubber skin, easy to spot. But imagine a few of those at night. Friendlies? etc.
T-70 is from T2:3D
T-600 mentioned by Reese, T2 script *
T-700 T2 script *
T-800 T1, T2
T-1000 T2
HK Tank T1, T2
Aerial HK T1, T2
HK Bomber T2 storyboards/script *
HK Centurion T2 storyboards/script *
HK Silverfish T2 storyboards/script*
* from October 1990 Terminator 2 script: http://www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t2omit01.html Skynet's weapons consist of the massive ground HKs (tank-
like robot weapon-platforms) flying HKs, medium weight
four-legged gun-pods called Centurions, the humanoid
Terminators in various forms (600, 700, and 800 series),
and small, fast-crawling kamikaze units called Silverfish
that look like 5' long chrome centipedes. The Silverfish
snake into gun emplacements and explode.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.
Silence infidel!! You are not allowed to question the logic of the franchise or movies, under pain of death.
As Judgedoug pointed out, In the Cameronverse, Skynet only made terminators to infiltrate, and we only saw them fleshless in combat because Skynet was so desperate.
Nonetheless, that image from the start of T2 is synonymous with the franchise, and what most people think of when they think of what a terminator is.
I can guarantee it's the miniature that's going to feature prominently on the packaging for this game, also, along with whomever the main characters are.
Pacific wrote: Nonetheless, that image from the start of T2 is synonymous with the franchise, and what most people think of when they think of what a terminator is.
I can guarantee it's the miniature that's going to feature prominently on the packaging for this game, also, along with whomever the main characters are.
Oh, no doubt. I mean, it's a T-800! Everyone loves them.
James Cameron agrees with you; regarding the Future War sequence in T2:"... it was not strictly necessary to the plot to show the war, its inclusion of the film serves as both a visceral illustration of what the characters in the film are fighting to prevent, and a narrative reminder to the audience of the world postulated by the first film."
In essence, it's more visually gripping and creates a stronger narrative. So as much as I like the Cameronverse of T-800's as infiltrators only - and only deployed en masse during the final battle - I'm going to love having T-800's all over my tabletop!
Looking forward to this. Hopefully the game rules will be well written, balanced and fair. Don't need another game that is imbalanced and poor written rules.
Also wonder if we have to assemble and paint the minis or they will be like X-wing and be pre assembled/painted.
Pacific wrote: Nonetheless, that image from the start of T2 is synonymous with the franchise, and what most people think of when they think of what a terminator is.
I can guarantee it's the miniature that's going to feature prominently on the packaging for this game, also, along with whomever the main characters are.
Oh, no doubt. I mean, it's a T-800! Everyone loves them.
James Cameron agrees with you; regarding the Future War sequence in T2:"... it was not strictly necessary to the plot to show the war, its inclusion of the film serves as both a visceral illustration of what the characters in the film are fighting to prevent, and a narrative reminder to the audience of the world postulated by the first film."
In essence, it's more visually gripping and creates a stronger narrative. So as much as I like the Cameronverse of T-800's as infiltrators only - and only deployed en masse during the final battle - I'm going to love having T-800's all over my tabletop!
I'm sure I will enjoy having some plastic terminators on my tabletop, too, but what I really want are plastic HKs. If Riverhorse won't make them in plastic, then I'll just get the out-of-scale Pegasus HKs.
I love the alienness of Skynet as Cameron envisioned it, so I would prefer drones and HKs to take a fairly central role in the later future war expansions. Robot skeletons are cool and iconic and all, but very tame and familiar. I prefer the Terminator future war as a classic struggle between mankind and a new type of intelligence we can't understand. Mankind vs robot people was Battlestar Galactica.
I'm sure I will enjoy having some plastic terminators on my tabletop, too, but what I really want are plastic HKs. If Riverhorse won't make them in plastic, then I'll just get the out-of-scale Pegasus HKs.
Definitely a new design. The drone in T-3 had a third engine mounted in the tail. The ones in T-1 and T-3 had significantly taller engine pods and up-angled V-tails. The ones in Salvation were also different.
Resistance fighter 3-ups previewed over on the Facebook group as they reached 500 members (talk of another preview at 750 and again at 1,000)
Alessio Cavatore
Resistance fighters 3-ups... planning the sprue... at Renedra Ltd. ...featuring: "Runny Guy", "Kneely Guy", "Vasquez" and "Hulk Hogan"...
Alessio Cavatore with Bob Naismith
One assembled 3-up (resin cast at home!!!).
We call him 'Runny guy'... please suggest a better name!
Not sure what's going on with 'runny guys' pointing finger - looks a bit odd, but maybe it's due to this being a 3-up and a WIP?? Gotta admit that I'm not blown away by these yet, but they look ok
CptJake wrote: Why are they not making the heads separate? With only 4 bodies, the ability to swap heads would make a lot of sense.
We have to remember this is a board game, they are not concerned with multipart plastic soldiers for us to have dozens of figures on the table. They are not catering to us tabletop gamers, but to the board game players. Perhaps they will eventually give us rules for large sized battles, at which point we might get more figures with more poses.
Edit: bob beat me to it, I thought I submitted this earlier, but I didnt.
I see where the box set comes with a mat, but it looks like any other non-area delineated mat (no squares/hexes/areas) so it does not look too board game like.
I don't care if they measure it with measuring tape or have AOE templates, etc.. The game mechanics are not the boardgame aspect that has turned me off to this.. it's the fact that the figures will be designed for boardgames. This typically translates into lower quality. I've got no interest in that.. I can just play Tomorrow's War or heck.. even 40k (blech) and use existing endo skeletons from EM4, Reaper, Anvil, etc..
CptJake wrote: I see where the box set comes with a mat, but it looks like any other non-area delineated mat (no squares/hexes/areas) so it does not look too board game like.
It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.
Besides, did you see those minis?
Automatically Appended Next Post: PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.
I don't think I have read that it is just a board game at any point? I'm sorry if HMV and MLaw have already leapt from the hype train
From Warlord's own site:
Comments from earlier in the thread, which will hopefully help people have joined later on. I think it's obviously coming as a self-contained box-set which will allow you to play the game, but also with room to expand (in fact, Alessio has said as much already, with follow-ups depending on sales volumes)
Terminators are three-piece models: Legs, Torso/upper body, and arms/weapon
Human Resistance two pieces: body/legs/head, and modular arms/weapon (akin to recent Bolt Action plastics)
4x4 or smaller up -scale to 6X4
Play mat-no hexes, squares. Two sided other side is a underground resistance bunker.
2D terrain on top of mat
Template- movement and shooting no ruler
Different colour for factions
Endos metalic plastic
Resistance green
Kyle Reese resin character
HQ geared more towards command benefits instead of beatsticks
Infiltrators/ T-1000 mechanics included
20 century weapons hard to kill T-800 cannot destroy, knockdown slightly damage. You can finish them off while down. Rule called Hastla Vista Baby
Wargamer set:
16 resistance soldiers and Reese
10 endos and 5 crawlers
Dice 2 of each for a total of 12 dice
1 Fate die
2-3 + punch boards templates and 2D flat terrain
Prison camp templates-laser fence (budget permitting)
3x2 playmat cheap one in box. Hope to sell a nice one separately.
Soft full colour rulebook
16 page starter guide
70 quid approx. (not final)
Cheaper version lacks rule book and Reese for 55 Quid (not final)
Mechanics could possibly include:
Reprograming machines
Human collaborators working against resistance
The kits just seem so far from ideal. Two piece minis might work for Bolt Action, where people want to be able to assemble a huge force quickly, but even then I have my doubts. For a skirmish sized sci-fi game, it really reduces the value of the plastics for anything other than ...board game pieces.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.
I haven't heard of Renedra doing board game plastics, but good for them if they can produce at the same level as, say, Hasbro.
Anyways, already confirmed - in this thread btw - a Wargamer Miniatures Set and then a cheaper easy-play version.
PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.
Well... Nothing looks like anything from T1 or T2 or T3 or T4 because the license only encompasses the designs from Terminator Genisys.
CptJake wrote: I see where the box set comes with a mat, but it looks like any other non-area delineated mat (no squares/hexes/areas) so it does not look too board game like.
It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.
Besides, did you see those minis?
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Okay, so we know there is measurements for movement and firing, yet based on the miniatures shown so far and speculation on your part, you are claiming that even if the rules are for tabletop gaming, this will be a board game.
I'm really not sure how you arrive at your conclusion. It doesn't look like it will be any more a board game than the Infinity boxed set, or a 40K boxed set. You may not be happy with the quality of the figures, but if the rules are for a tabletop game, well, it may just be a tabletop game.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.
I haven't heard of Renedra doing board game plastics, but good for them if they can produce at the same level as, say, Hasbro.
Anyways, already confirmed - in this thread btw - a Wargamer Miniatures Set and then a cheaper easy-play version.
PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.
Well... Nothing looks like anything from T1 or T2 or T3 or T4 because the license only encompasses the designs from Terminator Genisys.
I was starting to get all excited about an official line of actual miniatures.
So the fact the designers have stated it's a miniatures war game to be supported by further miniatures releases based on initial sales figures...
The miniatures they've shown aren't that exciting. If the rules are more of a tabletop type of thing then I would be willing to give it a try. As an entire package.. based on what we've seen of the figures it's a non-starter for me.
CptJake wrote: I see where the box set comes with a mat, but it looks like any other non-area delineated mat (no squares/hexes/areas) so it does not look too board game like.
It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.
Besides, did you see those minis?
Automatically Appended Next Post: PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.
Okay, so we know there is measurements for movement and firing, yet based on the miniatures shown so far and speculation on your part, you are claiming that even if the rules are for tabletop gaming, this will be a board game.
I'm really not sure how you arrive at your conclusion. It doesn't look like it will be any more a board game than the Infinity boxed set, or a 40K boxed set. You may not be happy with the quality of the figures, but if the rules are for a tabletop game, well, it may just be a tabletop game.
Maybe I'm being too subtle. Yes, it is a tabletop game, but it sucks [noun] like a board game.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Maybe I'm being too subtle. Yes, it is a tabletop game, but it sucks [noun] like a board game.
Which part sucks balls? The low count of parts for the models? Or the rules? Because honestly the rules previews Alessio has shown are pretty damn intriguing (including the Fate mechanic)
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Maybe I'm being too subtle. Yes, it is a tabletop game, but it sucks [noun] like a board game.
Which part sucks balls? The low count of parts for the models? Or the rules? Because honestly the rules previews Alessio has shown are pretty damn intriguing (including the Fate mechanic)
The models.
For me, it's always about the models.
Automatically Appended Next Post: As we point out every time the rules/minis dichotomy comes up, if the rules are good enough, they can be played with Gates of Antares minis...or something.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.
I haven't heard of Renedra doing board game plastics, but good for them if they can produce at the same level as, say, Hasbro.
Anyways, already confirmed - in this thread btw - a Wargamer Miniatures Set and then a cheaper easy-play version.
PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.
Well... Nothing looks like anything from T1 or T2 or T3 or T4 because the license only encompasses the designs from Terminator Genisys.
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I'm looking forward to the wargaming minis, then. I suppose I'm being a bit unreasonable, but my standards have risen dramatically for miniatures that want my money. Now they have to compete with Mantic, DFG, Proxie, cheapo Sedition Wars, board games with good plastics, and so on. We all know I'll quitely pick up at least one of each plastic kit for this game down the line, but before they finish manufacturing I can always bitch and moan push them to create better minis. I just had such dreams for these minis.
I thought they said they were trying to keep all the designs in Genysis as close as possible to their antecedents rom the Cameron films. On a second look, they look a lot like the flamers from Aliens, so I suppose that's what they could be.
Alessio Cavatore
If you check the trailer and some of the pictures you find online and in magazines, the riles are different from the previous movies... their resistance ones look scratch built kinda like AKs with a generator under the barrel. The endos look like mass produced
And another note about vehicles we could be seeing for the Resistance:
Alessio Cavatore
Not only Abrams [tank], but Apaches, Black Hawks, Warrior APCs... and of course trucks and humvees with plasma guns (see trailer, that thing that John Connor swivels around)... Of course in this first edition I expect all of these to be slightly broken... so I will confine them to the 'advanced rules' section!!!
I think the left arm looks a bit off, but it doesn't help that the endoskeleton pose is just sad. It looks like he's carrying luggage while waiting for security. Surely a machine that never tires has no reason to stand at ease?
Like the look of the 'half terminator' one on the sprue, you can tell there are going to be a lot of sound-bites in use when this game is being played!
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I think the left arm looks a bit off, but it doesn't help that the endoskeleton pose is just sad. It looks like he's carrying luggage while waiting for security. Surely a machine that never tires has no reason to stand at ease?
Ya got me. It's all modeled after the Genisys endos which are doing this pose in the trailer.
I fully plan on getting a shameful amount of them and converting most of them to T1/T2 style. I hope an aftermarket bits seller manufactures T2 plasma rifles. HINT HINT GUYS
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I think the left arm looks a bit off, but it doesn't help that the endoskeleton pose is just sad. It looks like he's carrying luggage while waiting for security. Surely a machine that never tires has no reason to stand at ease?
Ya got me. It's all modeled after the Genisys endos which are doing this pose in the trailer.
I fully plan on getting a shameful amount of them and converting most of them to T1/T2 style. I hope an aftermarket bits seller manufactures T2 plasma rifles. HINT HINT GUYS
I just spent a shameful amount ot time trying to think of what I would have the endos' left hands doing after converting the right to hold plasma rifles. Some would need another plasma rifle, or maybe a SMG. I plan to use a lot of WGF survivor weapons.
The Genisys endos must have picked up a software bug from the T3 "everyone has a plasma gatling" endos. Yuck.
Ruglud - you seem to be up to speed with Salute 2015 info, any news if they are going to be showing off this game there (or perhaps not if they are having to tie in with the movie release?)
Good question - I've not heard anything yt about them being at Salute, but Renedra and Warlord Games are both in attendance so hopefully one of them will some Terminator goodies on display ...
The endos have a nice tru-scale feel next to them.. as soon as you stick them next to those heroic scale humans though it looks really weird. I would personally err on the side of buying the endos but using humans from other ranges.
For people similarly minded, Empress miniatures as well as Specter have vehicles and people of roughly this scale. I think Specter even has a Kickstarter going with technicals (the trucks with various heavy weapons in the back like in the movies). I also plan on some WGF survivors going up against the toasters
I think I'd have to figure out bases for the crawlers though.. that's bugging me just looking at it.
I have to agree with that. They look like they're from different games. I'll be on the sidelines, waiting to see what the game turns out to be like, and what the prices are like.
Pacific wrote: Ruglud - you seem to be up to speed with Salute 2015 info, any news if they are going to be showing off this game there (or perhaps not if they are having to tie in with the movie release?)
Alessio Cavatore:
we will be at Salute at the Warlord stand, see you there!
Alessio just commented when asked if any minis will be available to buy at Salute (25 Apr)
Alessio Cavatore: Salute probably only a resin version of Reese... too early! Possibly Endos...
And confirmation of the minis available when the game officially launches
Alessio Cavatore: As well as the starter set, at launch we should have: -box of endos -box of resistance plastics -John Connor blister (metal? resin?) -endos with weapon and command options (blisters... resin or metal...) -Infiltrators -Resistance with dogs...
Later of course Sarah Connor, Guardian (Arnie), cops, T-1000, etc...
Later, if things go well... we'll start to look at vehicles, like the spider tank, hunter killers, and stuff for the resistance too...
Exciting news for everyone going to the Salute wargames show this year – everyone who places an order to be picked up at the show will receive a special free gift – an unrealeased plastic sprue from a certain upcoming game. Without a doubt, you’ll be the some of the very first to get your hands on these models!
According to their FB page, Alessio Calvatore was in Wayland Games the other day giving demo games and talking about the game - don't suppose anyone on here was there at the time?
Over on the Terminator Genisys Miniatures Game Facebook Page the community has been discussing a new preview poster that popped up for the River Horse game…
As you can see it gives a run down of exactly what’s in the set and to make sure you don’t have to try and read the small print it comes with…
Quickstart Rules (16 Pages)
31 Hard Plastic Miniatures – 10 Terminators, 5 Crawlers, 16 Resistance Soldiers (all of which are three piece dry fit sets – apart from the Crawlers which are one piece)
Measuring Templates, Scenery, Tokens, and other Gaming Aids
2×3 Full Colour Gaming Mat
Rules Reference Sheet
13 Colour Coded Dice
The poster also talks about the availability to pre-order now and this is apparently something that has popped up in American stores now with it appearing in UK ones very soon.
There will also be a different version of the game which comes with a full rulebook and special edition miniatures. I imagine Warlord will be stocking THIS version of the game when it comes to the pre-orders.
I find myself relatively unexcited about this. I would have killed for a terminator game a few years ago but the style, scale, and overall value of it all doesn't really grab much of my attention.
I dunno, £50 for an all-in-one boxed game doesn't seem that bad. Sure it's not got as many minis in it as a GW starter box for 50% more $$, but if it's a good game as is, then it's a good deal.
No kidding. $75 is a little spendy for 30 miniatures, tokens, and a play mat.
That's $2.50 per model, not counting the other gameplay materials. For mass plastic models from what, repeats of 2 unique sprues, that's a bit above market.
$50 seems about right, especially as a starter box. $45 would be a nice deal, and I think Warlord would get a lot more sales at such a price point. At $45, I'd buy it just to check it out.
overtyrant wrote: No way is that worth £50! More like between £30-£40!!
Am I reading correctly that this box doesn't have the full rulebook?
Very good point. It only says it comes with a double sided reference sheet. Though it is pictured with the reference sheet and a fast play rules leaflet, that may be the rule book.
I'd be surprised if it didn't come with all of the rules required to play. It's entirely possible they managed to fit that within the reference sheet and leaflet though. Not all games rulebooks need to be huge tomes.
Herzlos wrote: I'd be surprised if it didn't come with all of the rules required to play. It's entirely possible they managed to fit that within the reference sheet and leaflet though. Not all games rulebooks need to be huge tomes.
That would make the £50 price point even more baffling. You tend to get a lot more bang for your pound with other board games. Hopefully Warlord will have it at Salute so I can have a closer look at it but from what we have been shown it's not worth the price tag IMO.
weeble1000 wrote: No kidding. $75 is a little spendy for 30 miniatures, tokens, and a play mat.
That's $2.50 per model, not counting the other gameplay materials. For mass plastic models from what, repeats of 2 unique sprues, that's a bit above market.
$50 seems about right, especially as a starter box. $45 would be a nice deal, and I think Warlord would get a lot more sales at such a price point. At $45, I'd buy it just to check it out.
They need to cover their licensing fee too. The price is going to be higher than if they owned the IP.
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Herzlos wrote: I'd be surprised if it didn't come with all of the rules required to play. It's entirely possible they managed to fit that within the reference sheet and leaflet though. Not all games rulebooks need to be huge tomes.
The graphic indicates a 16 page quick play rule book is included.
weeble1000 wrote: No kidding. $75 is a little spendy for 30 miniatures, tokens, and a play mat.
That's $2.50 per model, not counting the other gameplay materials. For mass plastic models from what, repeats of 2 unique sprues, that's a bit above market.
$50 seems about right, especially as a starter box. $45 would be a nice deal, and I think Warlord would get a lot more sales at such a price point. At $45, I'd buy it just to check it out.
They need to cover their licensing fee too. The price is going to be higher than if they owned the IP.
Sure, but clearly plenty of Terminator fans don't think the licence is worth the price tag.
The license fee is Warlord's problem, not the customer's. Warlord may think that the license justifies the higher price tag, but it remains to be seen if the license is enough to drive sales at that price. I'm sure Marvel and DC are costly licenses, but the BMG miniatures aren't priced terribly above market, if at all.
Warlord could, for example, eat the license fee and use the powerful IP to return value in sales volume, as opposed to profit margin. The license fees don't have to get passed directly on to the consumer or be reflected in the retail price. At the end of the day it depends on what the market will bear.
Will the market bear $75 for a Terminator Genesis starter box with repeats of two sprues, dice, tokens, and a play mat? That remains to be seen. But I aint buying it at $75.
weeble1000 wrote: No kidding. $75 is a little spendy for 30 miniatures, tokens, and a play mat.
That's $2.50 per model, not counting the other gameplay materials. For mass plastic models from what, repeats of 2 unique sprues, that's a bit above market.
$50 seems about right, especially as a starter box. $45 would be a nice deal, and I think Warlord would get a lot more sales at such a price point. At $45, I'd buy it just to check it out.
They need to cover their licensing fee too. The price is going to be higher than if they owned the IP.
Sure, but clearly plenty of Terminator fans don't think the licence is worth the price tag.
The license fee is Warlord's problem, not the customer's. Warlord may think that the license justifies the higher price tag, but it remains to be seen if the license is enough to drive sales at that price. I'm sure Marvel and DC are costly licenses, but the BMG miniatures aren't priced terribly above market, if at all.
Warlord could, for example, eat the license fee and use the powerful IP to return value in sales volume, as opposed to profit margin. The license fees don't have to get passed directly on to the consumer or be reflected in the retail price. At the end of the day it depends on what the market will bear.
Will the market bear $75 for a Terminator Genesis starter box with repeats of two sprues, dice, tokens, and a play mat? That remains to be seen. But I aint buying it at $75.
I don't think Warlord particularly cares, as they are just distributing it.
Do you mean Alessio/River Horse?
Regardless, most places will have this at $60 with discount, which it looks to decidedly be worth that (especially for the Resistance/Last Army plastics)
From the shots of the Resistance/Last Army guys that have already been shown, I can't think of better looking sci fi infantry plastics. Certainly not Catachans or Cadians, Defiance UAMC, Em4 plastic gangers, Proxie's sci fi models, nor the Epirian plastics.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Which pictures are you referring to? The only human minis I recall seeing are some WIPs
From a month or two ago, the 3ups, shown as they were laying out the sprue for Renedra. Based on those I plan on getting piles of them. There was also a rough home-cast resin copy of one of the 3-ups that was posted.
and a John Connor who looks like he got bit by a rattlesnake.
It was Kyle Reese. So really Michael Perry's sculpt of Reese looks exactly like Jai Courtney
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judgedoug wrote: From the shots of the Resistance/Last Army guys that have already been shown, I can't think of better looking sci fi infantry plastics. Certainly not Catachans or Cadians, Defiance UAMC, Em4 plastic gangers, Proxie's sci fi models, nor the Epirian plastics.
The early renders and concept art for the Icarus Miniatures figs look pretty bad ass.
overtyrant wrote: No way is that worth £50! More like between £30-£40!!
Am I reading correctly that this box doesn't have the full rulebook?
I think it means that the rules are quick to start with (rather than them being incomplete rules), remember this is being made and marketed as a board game.
I believe Alessio said in a previous interview that there might be some future releases for the game, but it depends on sales of this game.
Pricing wise, I've bought a fair number of board games over the years and £50 seems about right for the contents? Perhaps £5 over-priced, certainly no more than £10.
Yeah £50 for some green army men quality figures and some basic rules ? They're having a a laugh. You can get a play mat like that for £8 loads of figures to use for £1 and a decent set of rules for ether free or a few £
Well gee guys, there's two versions, one which includes the full rules - just like they (gasp) said two months ago
(one for game stores and direct, and the second one for mass market retailers)
As of today we can now officially share with you more details about the launch of Terminator Genisys: The Miniatures Game. Warlord Games is the exclusive distributor of The War Against the Machines, a skirmish miniatures game designed and produced by Alessio Cavatore’s River Horse Games, based on the upcoming Terminator Genisys movie by Paramount and Skydance Productions.
Terminator Genisys: The War Against the Machines features 31 stunning plastic miniatures designed to be ready for action in minutes. No glue is required, thanks to their push-fit design, and they come in two clear different plastic colour (metallic grey for the Terminators and army green for the Resistance) to make sure you recognise your forces easily amidst the fog of war.
As a bonus, The War Against the Machines includes a superbly sculpted metal Kyle Reese character to join the Resistance fighters, providing them with special command abilities and heroic traits, Kyle Reese is a perfect to lead the brave Resistance soldiers against the endoskeletons.
Terminator Genisys: The War Against the Machines includes a 128 pages rulebook that allows you to explore every game possibility; starting from the contents of the box but allowing you to expand with the upcoming range of heroes, commanders, troop types and vehicles expected during the year ahead. We will keep you well informed about all these new exciting releases.
While you can play on your regular gaming table, we have included a 2’x3′ double-sided gaming mat, cardboard measuring templates and a set of cardboard terrain to make it a game truly ready out of the box, so you’ll be up and running in no time at all.
Finally, the unique dice game system invites you to play without the need of modifiers or tables and the chaotic “Fate activation system” ensure you’re always involved in the action.
You will be able to get Terminator Genisys: The War Against the Machines and all the upcoming new releases directly from Warlord Games’ online store or through your local store. Pre-orders for the game start in May.
TERMINATOR GENISYS: THE WAR AGAINST THE MACHINES
Contents:
Full-colour rulebook: 128 pages
Exclusive metal Kyle Reese model (brings special abilities, command options and heroic feats)
10 Terminator Endoskeletons (Two different posses, advancing and… relentlessly advancing!)
5 Terminator Crawlers (You thought the ENDO was done?!)
16 Resistance Soldiers (with a selection of weapons from missile launchers to plasma rifles!)
Quickstart rules: 16 pages
2 punchboards: Includes all the scenery, tokens and gaming aids needed to play!
River Horse and Warlord Games want to make sure that this game was everywhere so more people would discover it and start playing, even those who have never wargamed before! The twist and push-fit components eliminate the need for hobby tools making it the perfect introductory product for those that have not yet discovered the wonders of wargaming. With this in mind we have created Terminator Genisys: The Battle for the Future. The main difference is that this simplified product only includes plastic miniatures and a 16 pages ruleset to play with the components in the box. We didn’t want to scare newcomers with a 100-odd page rules or metal miniatures. We leave that for us wargamers!
You can expect to see Battle for the Future truly everywhere, not only in specialised hobby and games stores, allowing us to reach those that have yet not discovered River Horse and our great games through a comprehensive and approachable starter set.
BATTLE FOR THE FUTURE
Contents:
10 Terminator Endoskeletons
5 Terminator Crawlers
16 Resistance Soldiers
Quickstart rules: 16 pages
2 punchboards: Includes all the scenery, tokens and gaming aids needed to play!
We’ll be bringing you more information as we get nearer the film and game release, and building a dedicated area of our website, so keep your eyes on the Warlord Newsletter!
judgedoug wrote: Well gee guys, there's two versions, one which includes the full rules - just like they (gasp) said two months ago
(one for game stores and direct, and the second one for mass market retailers)
I guess we'll see when the RENDERS become actual MINIATURES?
I do admire your enthusiasm for this project as well as for just about everything Mantic does as well though - and I do hope that things turn out better than we've been show so far!
judgedoug wrote: Well gee guys, there's two versions, one which includes the full rules - just like they (gasp) said two months ago
(one for game stores and direct, and the second one for mass market retailers)..
Maybe I missed it but didn't look like anybody was arguing that there weren't two versions (gasp!).
The question seems to be how much the full wargame version will cost - esp. if the board-gamey version is selling for $75 USD.
Can't imagine it'll be cheaper and folks including me are already head scratching at the price for the simplified one.
also worth bearing in mind that silver plastic (or chromed plastic) tends to look less than stellar in photographs so even then we see them they'll look less good than they will when properly painted
I'm just not sure how the 100% truescaling at that size will work visually for the models. I know they're endoskeletons and by definition (at least with the t-800) of smaller volume than a normal human of the same height but I'm just unimpressed visually with the end result. Two piece press fit itty bitty weedy static posed robot skeletons due to being true scaled 100% accurate isn't what I personally was looking for. YMMV.
I just don't see this game (especially at the $75 price point) making that big of a splash. I would have preferred a larger model scale (like warzone 32mm) along with a smaller game scale (skirmish) with a small handful (2-4) terminators versus a squad (5-10) humans. I can't really even see myself buying it personally for alternate uses like I did with the gears of war boardgame.
Alpharius wrote: I do admire your enthusiasm for this project as well as for just about everything Mantic does as well though - and I do hope that things turn out better than we've been show so far!
Huh?
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warboss wrote: I'm just not sure how the 100% truescaling at that size will work visually for the models. I know they're endoskeletons and by definition (at least with the t-800) of smaller volume than a normal human of the same height but I'm just unimpressed visually with the end result. Two piece press fit itty bitty weedy static posed robot skeletons due to being true scaled 100% accurate isn't what I personally was looking for. YMMV.
Hmm, so you'd prefer infiltrator endoskeletons to be physically larger than the actual skeletons of the humans they are infiltrating into?
Or do you mean scaled more like the melon-head ham-fist Hobbit/child skeletons ala GW?
If you mean more pose variety, I agree. I'd love it if there were more poses as well, but as it appears Alessio is using his own capital for this game - and no Kickstarter dollars - I can understand the initial release supporting two sprues (and if one sprue needs to have variety, the Resistance one trumps endoskeletons)
Alpharius wrote: I do admire your enthusiasm for this project as well as for just about everything Mantic does as well though - and I do hope that things turn out better than we've been show so far!
Huh?
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warboss wrote: I'm just not sure how the 100% truescaling at that size will work visually for the models. I know they're endoskeletons and by definition (at least with the t-800) of smaller volume than a normal human of the same height but I'm just unimpressed visually with the end result. Two piece press fit itty bitty weedy static posed robot skeletons due to being true scaled 100% accurate isn't what I personally was looking for. YMMV.
Hmm, so you'd prefer infiltrator endoskeletons to be physically larger than the actual skeletons of the humans they are infiltrating into?
Or do you mean scaled more like the melon-head ham-fist Hobbit/child skeletons ala GW?
If you mean more pose variety, I agree. I'd love it if there were more poses as well, but as it appears Alessio is using his own capital for this game - and no Kickstarter dollars - I can understand the initial release supporting two sprues (and if one sprue needs to have variety, the Resistance one trumps endoskeletons)
I would have preferred more pose variety but I'd also prefer if the terminators themselves were more physically imposing. The iconic t-800 is a 6'3" almost 300lb (if actually human) brute of a man who towers over the resistance fighters who grew up likely with chronic malnutrition their whole lives. I would want in a tabletop game the endoskeleton that fits in the former to actually be larger than the latter. I don't want giant hands and head GW proportions but I also would prefer not to have terminator forearms that are as thin as IG vox antenna which looks like it might be the case in truescale 28mm. I'm willing to accept 90% accuracy if the visual style improves much more than that percentage. In the end, I won't know if this is actually the case until this hits the streets (or possibly at Salute if they have the minis there in play and someone throws down other minis for a side by side comparison shot).
I was under the impression that this game was a bridging tool between normal folk and war gaming types... so how does having 5 different sort of dice help?!
Just remember that without the aid of a high megapixel camera and a zoom function for your eyes, you really won't make out most of that detail and the models will be tiny IRL.
They just look so stiff and nonthreatening. They sure aren't preparing to mow down any human vermin. They look cheerful, like firefighters showing off their gear to grade schoolers while hitting on all the moms. I've seen Geordie LaForge look more dangerous.
Still, good details, and a little bit of cutting and regluing should help. Necks and knees probably need the most attention.
Well, two piece snap fits are pretty much the farthest boardgamers are willing to step into the world of tabletop wargaming, right? And I've heard they don't care what their tokens look like so long as they are easy to assemble and get on the board.
I unapologetically look at games from a wargaming perspective as that is my particular overriding interest. If they made sacrifices (both to the license holder and to the board game crowd), a half fix by the end user won't turn those into the dynamic and imposing minis I suspect at least some folks here want. It may help but it's not the same thing as designing them as dynamic wargaming pieces to begin with.
Just remember that without the aid of a high megapixel camera and a zoom function for your eyes, you really won't make out most of that detail and the models will be tiny IRL.
warboss wrote: I unapologetically look at games from a wargaming perspective as that is my particular overriding interest. If they made sacrifices (both to the license holder and to the board game crowd), a half fix by the end user won't turn those into the dynamic and imposing minis I suspect at least some folks here want. It may help but it's not the same thing as designing them as dynamic wargaming pieces to begin with.
I suspect nothing will turn them into really dynamic and imposing minis. I'm a bit of a pose queen myself, so I'd have to change them before I was happy, but for the (non-boutique) detail and sticks-to-canon crowds they should be fine. "At least they're Terminator minis...finally...after all these years..."
They look pretty bad, faces are wrong, the proportions as a whole. Like others have said, it's like a cheerful robot. In the original films they work because they are more skeletal and have their movement to convey how un-natural they are. I saw the preorder page for thus game and seriously wonder why a Warlord are even touching this, it looks boring and the starter looks terrible value at £50 given that you can get SDE or Zombicide around that point or a proper wargame starter for another 10-15 like Dark Vengeance, warmachine, dropzone etc
monders wrote: ... so how does having 5 different sort of dice help?!
D&D, which uses six different dice shapes, manages to be theRPG as far as most people are concerned.
To be honest, I am more interested in this game's sliding dice and Fate mechanic than pretty much any other rules/mechanics else I've heard about in recent memory.
TwilightSparkles wrote: They look pretty bad, faces are wrong, the proportions as a whole. Like others have said, it's like a cheerful robot. In the original films they work because they are more skeletal and have their movement to convey how un-natural they are. I saw the preorder page for thus game and seriously wonder why a Warlord are even touching this, it looks boring and the starter looks terrible value at £50 given that you can get SDE or Zombicide around that point or a proper wargame starter for another 10-15 like Dark Vengeance, warmachine, dropzone etc
Miniature wise, I think these look much better than the other terminator proxies on sale at the moment; namely GW Necron Warriors, and the Copplestone Casting terminators.
And here is news for you; skulls do generally look like they are 'grinning'. Look some up on Google, and the T800 for that matter I've seen the first two Terminator movies far too many times, think these like a pretty good representation for what we are getting here.
I've never understood why it's apparently impossible for human beings to hit the "macro" mode button on their camera. Thanks for the blurry shots, guys.
The 3D renders for the resin Endoskeletons look excellent though.
Still sad about the design changes on the T-800 from T1/T2, but I'll have to live with it.
First of all, that angle makes the one in the middle look a whole lot better. The one on the right still looks disjointed, like he doesn't know what his gun is for, but he can probably be fixed pretty easily. Seeing the actual plastics has given me a little more confidence in the line.
Second, seeing endoskeletons with gun-arms is a huge disappointment. Does this mean Genisys Skynet thinks complicated metal skeletons are the most efficient frontline soldiers, or are easier to mass produce than drones or tankettes? It's a sad departure from the Skynet of the Cameronverse.
Good point about gun hands. OTOH (pun definitely intended), perhaps Skynet is just "working with what it has left" per the Cameronverse except it is equipping last-line T-800s with weapons that are harder for humans to salvage?
judgedoug wrote: I think the more likely explanation is that the writers aren't that intelligent and just went with the Rule of Cool.
Well, yeah, that's the obvious explanation in real life. "Writer ignorance" explains pretty much every conundrum in every work of fiction ever. Unfortunately, it makes it difficult to reconcile any new material into the canon without serious loss of value for the series as a whole.
That being said, I am happy with plastics, but I am ecstatic about super high quality resin endoskeletons.
I feel like mass-produced plastics that can be churned out of the factories day and night in their millions capture the essence of Skynet so much more accurately, though.
judgedoug wrote: I think the more likely explanation is that the writers aren't that intelligent and just went with the Rule of Cool.
Well, yeah, that's the obvious explanation in real life. "Writer ignorance" explains pretty much every conundrum in every work of fiction ever. Unfortunately, it makes it difficult to reconcile any new material into the canon without serious loss of value for the series as a whole.
I've been doing that with Aliens since Alien^3 There's really only two Alien movies anyway. The rest are fanfics that somehow got made.
That being said, I am happy with plastics, but I am ecstatic about super high quality resin endoskeletons.
I feel like mass-produced plastics that can be churned out of the factories day and night in their millions capture the essence of Skynet so much more accurately, though.
Well, now I just want fully articulated steel endoskeletons in 28mm.
Alpharius wrote: I didn't see that coming at all - and they really should have left us all to find out in the actual movie!!!
Like the big T2 reveal when the T800 was the good guy (Was a surprise in 1991!)
Exactly what I was thinking! Man, that would have given me hope that this new Terminator movie wasn't crap like the last two. Well, they have the Khalessi so maybe there's hope.
Pictures of the terrain to be included in the box set
Terminator Genisys
What's this, Terminators with Battle Systems terrain included in the box? I think it is )
Terminator Genisys The Miniatures Game (made by River Horse) is coming for Pre-order soon from Warlord Games and it includes some barricades designed and drawn by us in every box.
We spent some time peaking behind the scenes of the new film to get an inside look at the barricades that will be seen on the big screen. These cool terrain pieces not only look cool they can be stacked for full cover or separated to make two great barricades to shoot from.
adamsouza wrote: Has some pictures of the terrain to be included in the box set
Now that's just bad form. You get everyone's hopes up with the first two photos, and then the real terrain turns out to be flat pieces with tabs so you can stand them up on one edge.
The miniatures look good, the game play seems solid, and possibly innovative, and they have a great IP, and this is the second video they have produced about how fast and easy they are to put together, when that it likely the least important/relevant sales point to this product.
adamsouza wrote:The miniatures look good, the game play seems solid, and possibly innovative, and they have a great IP, and this is the second video they have produced about how fast and easy they are to put together, when that it likely the least important/relevant sales point to this product.
Pacific wrote: I think so, too. Spend ten minutes reading some of the threads over on BGG about new releases and you will see exactly that.
Miniature Wargamers does not always equal Boardgamers
there's an incredibly absurd BGG thread for Myth where it was non-stop complaining because a Kickstarter exclusive miniature was in metal instead of plastic.
Dreadball had board gamers confused because of needing glue to assemble the figures (one video review had the guy using the bodies because gluing on arms and heads was too much trouble)
Since the board game version of Terminator is being distributed to wholesale retail chains, it HAD to be snap fit easy assembly.
(fine for me, as I will also be getting the higher quality resin figs too)
Scale wise the T800 models look a little skinny and puny!
Would anyone have any photos of these standing beside a Necron Warrior model? Would definitely consider getting these as proxy Necrons if they looked right
They did a very good job with the likeness on the Kyle Reese mini. When I saw the zoomed in blister pic, the first thing that popped into my head was the actor in the upcoming movie despite the fact that I was incorrectly thinking of the original actor in the 1980's movie.
Seeing the humans all together on the table really highlights the scale inconsistencies. They really look like someone just dumped a bag of army men on the table.
Combined with the paintball field terrain, this looks terrible imho.
The humans should all be huddled behind any availabe cover, including each other. John Conner is standing right out in the open. There is no line of sight blocking terrain. There are soo many things wrong with this picture.
John Conner is a giant amongst men, he stands head and shoulders above the rest of humanity.
Making the human soldiers green, was probably a mistake. You can't help but think of green army men when looking at them.
There is no way that is what the enclosed paper gaming mat will look like, there is not a single fold line on it.
That is not $125 worth of board game.
I liked this game more, when I knew less about it.
CptJake wrote: I like the Reese mini, but $15 is a bit more than the value I place on it.
Probably a good thing that's out of context. It's a limited edition resin cast for Salute. Afterwards it'll be like an $8 metal fig.
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adamsouza wrote: The humans should all be huddled behind any availabe cover, including each other. John Conner is standing right out in the open. There is no line of sight blocking terrain. There are soo many things wrong with this picture.
I think that about every time someone puts miniatures on display for people to photograph at a gaming event and the opposing armies are inches from each other.
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warboss wrote: They did a very good job with the likeness on the Kyle Reese mini. When I saw the zoomed in blister pic, the first thing that popped into my head was the actor in the upcoming movie despite the fact that I was incorrectly thinking of the original actor in the 1980's movie.
Lol I did the same thing. But these are the Perry brothers we're talking about - who did most of the excellent LOTR sculpts. The Perrys are kinda some of the best sculptors for human infantry on the planet.
Would anyone have any photos of these standing beside a Necron Warrior model? Would definitely consider getting these as proxy Necrons if they looked right
Necrons are pretty large - taller than a Space Marine model. T800 endoskeletons are the size of the skeletons inside a 6' tall man. One that is truescale 28mm as well.
So, no, I'd expect them to be a full head shorter than Necrons, if not more.
Board game version is £50/$75 - big box retailers only (from what I understand)
Wargame version w/ 128-page full color rulebook and metal Kyle Reese is £75/$110 - game stores only (currently available for preorder for anyone with a Warlord Retailer account)
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adamsouza wrote: John Conner is a giant amongst men, he stands head and shoulders above the rest of humanity
Jason Clarke is 6'2" so I would actually expect the miniature to be larger than it actually is...
More pics showing Endoskeleton detail plus the resin Endos
Plus close-ups of resistance fighters
I am personally incredibly happy they went with truescale and not the weird 90's melon-head style (with ubiquitous weird shoulder pads).
Those resistance infantry have utility in nearly every 28mm modern-to-scifi miniatures game.
That is a hell of a sculpt in resin, but I will never buy it. Now, Michael Biehn Kyle Reese is another story, but there are already plenty of generic minis out there that look like this generic-face guy.
The resistance look good in the sprue shot, but the tabletop photos don't really do them any favors. Still, I think the Epirian Contractors just got out-bid.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: That is a hell of a sculpt in resin, but I will never buy it. Now, Michael Biehn Kyle Reese is another story, but there are already plenty of generic minis out there that look like this generic-face guy.
The resistance look good in the sprue shot, but the tabletop photos don't really do them any favors. Still, I think the Epirian Contractors just got out-bid.
I really look forward to dirty-drybrushing the hell out of like fifty of them.
Hmm didn't someone like Hasslefree do a not-Michael Biehn mini?
I don't know. I don't recall seeing a Michael Biehn mini that wasn't in Colonial Marine garb. However, I have seen several miscast resins that could stand in for Lance Henriksen's character.
adamsouza wrote: The miniatures are the best thing about this game. The rules sound interesting, but I still don't think the contents merit even the $75 price tag.
I agree it's pricy but I'm really interested in the mechanics that have been previewed.
Plus I'm honestly going to buy a million miniatures, so even if the mechanics suck there's always BA/GoA or Warpath beta3...
Okay, so the Tech-Com don't look too bad. Certainly more actiony poses than what the endos have. I have relatively high hopes for the proposed k9 teams.
Still find it odd that they didn't give the endos the phased plasma rifles from T2.
Barzam wrote: Okay, so the Tech-Com don't look too bad. Certainly more actiony poses than what the endos have. I have relatively high hopes for the proposed k9 teams.
Still find it odd that they didn't give the endos the phased plasma rifles from T2.
I still find it odd that Terminator Genisys the movie exists at all in the first place, but I guess ask them, as the license is based solely on that property.
(psst any enterprising aftermarket bits sellers, time to fill this hole in the market...)
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: I don't know. I don't recall seeing a Michael Biehn mini that wasn't in Colonial Marine garb. However, I have seen several miscast resins that could stand in for Lance Henriksen's character.
I'm almost positive someone somewhere made a mini of Tech-com Reese in the classic pose that Metal Gear ripped off.
the resins for this look so good, and the plastics look so bad...
i hope i can get my hands on a few resin minis...
i would love to paint a some of those highly detailed Endos...
the LE resin character is well done...
gotta love the Perry twins!!!
judgedoug wrote: I still find it odd that Terminator Genisys the movie exists at all in the first place, but I guess ask them, as the license is based solely on that property.
Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor.
Got a few sprues at Salute yesterday - was great to meet Alessio and team and I'm very impressed with they had to say and show of the game... Plus the freebies were very welcome...
Scale shots...
Endo versus Black Reach snap fit Space Marine...
l-r: Infinity Corregidor Alguacile; GW Catachan; T:G Endo; GW Space Marine; Infinity Spektr
l-r: Bolt Action German; GW Catachan; Infinity Corregidor Alguacile; T:G Endo; Infinity Spektr
l-r: Infinity Corregidor Alguacile; T:G Endo; Infinity Spektr; GW Space Marine; Black Scorpion gunfighter
Resistance fighters (was told that these are the prototype casts and that the final figures would be sharper and fit together better
GW Space marine (black reach snap fit) comparison
GW Catachan comparison
Infinity Corregidor Alguacile comparison
Black Scorpion gunfighter comparison
Endos on sprue
Snap-fit Endo...
Broken spine... if you are a little clumsy or heavy handed the snap fit spine is easily broken (as my son found out...)
Probably, but from what I am aware has been confirmed so far, there's only two skus right now (retail game, wargame edition)
But Alessio has talked extensively about new units, expansions, etc, so I would assume "just plastics" boxes will be available either at release or shortly after release.
The Terminators in this picture are a mix of the ones in the box and the others that are supposedly going to be available separately, the three on the left aren't in the starter boxes. So there will have to be at least one extra lot of terminators in resin, metal or plastic.
First glimpse of the rulebook in Warlords newsletter
We also have the first look at the rulebook, just in from the River Horse design team – we’ll have more about the contents very soon:
We plan to put the game on pre-order in May, so keep your eyes on the newsletter, or nip over to the Miniatures Game’s Facebook Group!
Barzam wrote: While I'm a little disappointed that the Tech-Com uniforms have been redesigned for Genisys, I wouldn't mind having a few of those sprues.
How different are the uniforms? I haven't seen Terminator 1 in at least a few months, so my memory is kind of fuzzy. I'm like the warden in Shawshank Redemption when it comes to sci fi costumes--how often do [I] really look at a man's shoes?
Either way, the kits look like fun. Unless they go full-Wyrd on the pricing, I'll be buying some.
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One big difference would be the body armour....also seems like the cap has been abandoned. Actually from what I've seen of the Genisys resistance, they seem to be more Terminator Salvation resistance with new body armour.
Anybody else thinking Tech-Com style figures would have made better Contractors for the Epirians than what they went with.
One thing to remember is that the Resistance in The Terminator was at the beginning of becoming organized with limited resources (2020something); the Last Army in Terminator 2 was the final battle (2029?) and it was an ably led, professional army with skynet gear. Terminator Salvation was 2018 so all bullet-based and current military gear.
@Bob, I don't have a Tech-Com outfit, I have a set of USCM stuff from Aliens
Terminator Genisys: The Miniatures Game is a 28mm scale skirmish wargame which sees the Human Resistance led by John Connor take arms against the machines of Skynet. The core boxed set (‘The War Against the Machines’) is due for release in July – and includes 31 hard plastic miniatures, a full-colour, double-sided 2’x3′ gaming mat, dice, quickstart rules, measuring templates, tokens, and card scenery pieces – everything that you need to play in one box!
We’ll be bringing you pre-order details very soon.
A few weekends ago, Alessio and Matt from River Horse were on hand at Salute 2015 to explain more about the game, and offer an exclusive hands-on demo with the rules set. Interest is gathering pace by the day – so what exactly can we expect from the game? We’ve pestered Alessio for a little more information ahead of release…
Alessio: In the ravaged wasteland left after the nuclear holocaust of Judgment Day, the Human Resistance, led by the legendary John Connor, is locked in a desperate conflict against Skynet’s pitiless machines. Who will ultimately survive in The War Against the Machines?
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(Note: better pictures on the newsletter)
In this book you will find:
• Basic Rules. Contains all of the core rules you need to play the Terminator Genisys game.
• Advanced Rules. This section allows experienced players to add more detail to their games.
• Battle Scenarios. A matrix of 36 balanced games, where both sides enjoy an equal chance of victory.
• Force Lists. This section includes the statlines and special rules for all models and weapons in the two opposing factions of the War Against the Machines: the Human Resistance and Skynet’s Machines.
• Narrative Scenarios. Story-driven scenarios, recreating exciting events of the War Against the Machines.
• Painting & Terrain. Details handy tips about how to paint your models, and how to go about creating a scratch-built wargames table.
• Reference Section. Here you’ll find shortened versions of the main rules of the game, a compilation of the stats for all of the models and weapons, and copies of counters, templates and terrain for you to photocopy.
Keep watching the Warlord Games Newsletter for more news on the Terminator Genisys Miniatures Game – as we get ever-nearer to the release date, there’ll be more news and information released as we get it!
Definitely feel more encouraged by this release the more I see of it, especially after having seen some of this stuff in person.
Although, I am such a fan of the franchise I would probably get it even if the miniatures resembled a Pez dispenser and the rules were written by the authors of Dreadfleet..
Although, I am such a fan of the franchise I would probably get it even if the miniatures resembled a Pez dispenser and the rules were written by the authors of Dreadfleet..
They should use your endorcement on all the promotional materials
posted from Alessio Cavatore a few minutes ago, in response to a question about what large units are in the main Wargamer rulebook:
"Machines have rules for Spider Tanks, tracked HKs and Flying HKs.
Resistance have rules for Abrams, Bradleys, Apache, Black Hawks, Humvees with varied weaponry (current and 'plasma'), trucks, pick ups and even normal cars with or without guns..."
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The range of accompanying products will also be disclosed shortly!
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Alessio also popped-into the office this week, offering the first glimpse of arguably the most anticipated miniature for the Terminator Genisys Miniatures Game – none other than Arnie himself! Sculpted by Michael Perry, he’ll be available to order as a separate Resin miniature blister shortly.
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T-1000 render...
(war against the machines version)
Alessio Cavatore
This is the T-1000 for the War against the Machines... probably best unit in the Machines' arsenal!
Note the plasma rifle he's firing...
Alessio Cavatore
The 'cop' version will be released later, with our '1984' box set... but that's another story!
Alessio Cavatore
The first wave of releases is focussed on the future, on the WATM... the 1984 stuff will be part of the 'second wave' of releases, later during the year...
Alessio Cavatore
I was in the warehouse today (18 May), and they started building the boxes, so they should start shipping this week...
I hope that the first large kits they produce will be Spider Tanks, HK tanks, and Flying HK's. Yes, this does seem a bit one-sided, however, there are many kits all ready on the market that the human side can use in the meantime.
I wonder if the 1984 set will have law enforcement as the opposition? It'd be hard otherwise to make what is essentially a slasher movie into a tabletop wargame.
Barzam wrote: I wonder if the 1984 set will have law enforcement as the opposition? It'd be hard otherwise to make what is essentially a slasher movie into a tabletop wargame.
I think it would be cool if the difference between the future war and the 1984 version was the style of play. Have the Future War be a battleground between armies. Have the 1984 version be one or two terminators trying to eliminate a specific target.
Heck, that might be a fun mutli-player game. Only the guy that actually IS the terminator knows that he is the terminator at the beginning to the game. The other players have to figure out who he is and who his target is.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I've seen a couple of reports of spine snappage during assembly for the terminators from folk who've had early access to the sprues,
not too surprising, but worth keeping in mind depending on who you intend to buy this for/ play with
Confirmed... my 11 year old was somewhat heavy handed when assembling one of the Endos at Salute and snapped the itty bitty spine off - easily fixed with some glue, but is now a week spot the model... I expect the resin models will be sturdier...
WIP from Michael Perry...
And the poster for comparison
Will definitely be picking up the Arnie miniature! Although I would love T2 versions of him and Robert Patrick, I understand that the Warlord license only extends to the new film..
Next up - anyone have any recommendations for a nice base to play the game on (Secret Weapon and the like?) I feel a new board coming on for this!
Pacific wrote: Will definitely be picking up the Arnie miniature! Although I would love T2 versions of him and Robert Patrick, I understand that the Warlord license only extends to the new film..
Next up - anyone have any recommendations for a nice base to play the game on (Secret Weapon and the like?) I feel a new board coming on for this!
What kind of playing area does the game require?
I personally am going to be painting up a Games and Gears 28mm Urban board in shades of blacks and blues with ruined mdf terrain and skull piles everywhere. Wanna recreate the T2 battle aesthetic
There has also been talk of a 1984 Box Set, as well as other character packs - over on the Terminator Genisys The Miniatures Game Facebook Page... so there looks to be plenty of product support coming...
Absolutely love this game, think it's such a well designed system. Would be really cool to have some kind of game based in 1984 or in 1997 (the scene with the Terminator going into the police station for instance! Or the T1000 in the hospital) Think there is definitely a lot of possibility there.
Absolutely love this game, think it's such a well designed system. Would be really cool to have some kind of game based in 1984 or in 1997 (the scene with the Terminator going into the police station for instance! Or the T1000 in the hospital) Think there is definitely a lot of possibility there.
the Wargames Factory apocalypse survivors box sets are cheap and about the right scale for all kinds of civilians armed with all kinds of gear!
bob beat me to it, I thought I submitted this earlier, but I didnt.
